This Daily Mail story features a counter-jihadist straight out of Hamas-linked CAIR’s central casting: overweight, unattractive, self-righteously Christian, likely racist (since she assumed a “Caucasian” must not be a Muslim) and full of “misconceptions” about Islam that she learned on Facebook — “misconceptions” that are easily dispelled by the kind, wise Muslims who take her into the mosque and explain to her that the Islamic State is to Islam what the Nazis were to Christianity. Never mind that Nazism was not based on Christian doctrine, and that Christianity contains no mandate to kill Jews or anyone else, while the Islamic State justifies its actions and makes recruits worldwide by showing that its actions accord with Islamic texts and teachings — such abstruse distinctions are way beyond the Daily Mail.
Exploding the media feel-good story, however, is a “selfie” the “Islamophobic” woman took with a Muslim woman inside the mosque. The woman is holding up one index finger: the signal that has come to mean allegiance to the Islamic State:
To those who say that a raised index finger is just a raised index finger, please note that this signal has been known to be a sign of allegiance to the Islamic State for almost as long as there has been an Islamic State. It has been described as its “ubiquitous hand signal.” It strains credulity to think that a Muslim who makes this gesture in October 2015 doesn’t know its significance as a sign of support for the Islamic State.
And so the cartoonishly hateful counter-jihadist in the Daily Mail story comes around to the side of love, harmony and multiculturalism, and ends up taking a selfie with an Islamic State supporter. The anecdotal story of Muslim kindness that is supposed to make us all ashamed to oppose jihad terror instead turns out to be an illumination of Muhammad’s dictum, “War is deceit.” How they must have laughed inside the Noor Islamic Center in Michigan after they pulled this one over on the ever-clueless Daily Mail.

jihad3tracker says
While we are on “counter-jihadist” topic — let me again mention a terrific video by our TRUE COUNTER-JIHADIST EXPERT DAVID WOOD.
Go to his website — www dot answeringmuslims dot com — and use the search box for “The Jihad Triangle”. Four minutes & fifty seconds in response to “If Islam is violent, why are so many Muslims peaceful?” Included as a bonus is David’s sense of humor.
Also again recommending his long [48 minute] video “Three Stages of Jihad”. Abundantly citations from the Trilogy, so watch when you are not distracted — and take notes for those among us (family, friends, clergy, elected officials, household pets) who are still stuck in the Western privilege guilt mineshaft.
jihad3tracker says
CORRECTION — “Three Stages of Jihad” runs 24:50.
voegelinian says
David Wood’s manner and mode of presentation are quite good, and his knowledge of the issue solid.
mortimer says
The ‘topic’ is MISCONCEPTIONS.
Can they please ‘CORRECT’ the following ‘misconceptions’ or are they real problems in Islam?
1 No Golden Rule 2 No free speech 3 No democracy 4 Jihad – holy war of world conquest 5 Honour killings 6 Taqiyya – sacred lying 7 Taqlid – group think 8 Misogyny – repression of women 9 Rape of kafirs as jihad prizes 10 Genocide 11 Ethnic cleansing 12 Anti-Semitism 13 Al-Walaa wal-Baraa – Islamic apartheid 14 Torture 15 Plundering 16 Cruel and unusual punishments 17 Backwardness – stagnation 18 Violence against women 19 Slavery 20 Discriminatory Sharia law 21 Hatred of the arts 22 Pedophilia disguised as child marriage 23 Fifty generations of cousin marriage and genetic defects 24 Cruelty to animals 25 Extortion tax to humiliate disbelievers 26 No historic basis 27 Anti-intellectual obscurantism 28 FGM 29 Arab racism 30 Theocratic totalitarianism 31 Vigilantism 32 Supremacism
jihad3tracker says
Hello again, Mortimer,
With your latest comment here, I took a vote of all qualified judges at my Oddfellows Lodge. They hereby unanimously award you [in perpetuity] the M.D.P.T.A.I. trophy — Most Densely Packed Truth About Islam.
Quite a splendid item it is: mahogany base with tiny replicas of Nathan Dimestorethug Lean on one side, facing Reza Poofy-poof Aslan on the other, tossing back and forth over a tennis net the loveliest burqa-wearing female in all of Dearbornistan’s subjugated humans corral.
Delivered to your virtual wigwam . . . Enjoy, my friend — you won it fair and square ! ! !
PRODOS says
I second that nomination. 🙂
ksy says
Mortimer, you are a remarkably effective social critic.
I checked for something in particular, the feminist angle. You got that covered Six Times. ( I figured in honor killings. )
Looks like you have a much better grasp of Islamic culture and theology than Pope Francis and Angela Merkel put together.
Your item #23 was completely unknown to me until just a few days back.
Can still add a couple major items, like Massive Cultural Destruction and Psychopathy.
And attacks on schoolkids, schools and universities.
Best to you.
Raja says
Kay,
Mortimer is very OBJECTIVE about Islam and he keeps it short and sweet.
i HARDY miss his comments.
Raja says
Kay,
Islamist don’t just destroy universities they TAKEOVER too. This SERPENT is restless !!!
TheBuffster says
I concur on those two videos Jihad3tracker. They’re clear, objective, and thorough and excellent to offer as an introduction to Islam and jihad.
Here are the links:
Jihad Triangle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjvfaZIDLCg
Three Stages of Jihad:
cs says
Thanks, I did not know this one. Quite good indeed. 3 Stages of jihad is the uttermost classic from him. Is ISIS Islamic also impressive.
Angemon says
Give the angle of that photo, I seriously doubt it’s a selfie taken by the allegedly former protester. In any case, if I were a betting an, I’d bet it was all staged.
gravenimage says
The very first post on the Daily Mail comments says, “This looks so staged”.
Jack Diamond says
Everything about it reeks of fakery, from her childish signs to this “Global Rally for Humanity”sponsoring the “event”–a name Muslims would more likely make up than patriotic Americans. Now it’s possible she and this group are as dumb as rocks as they pretend to be but more likely she is like that thing above her lip–a mole.
Jack Diamond says
What do you know, something just like it happened in Phoenix in May. Protestor wearing “fuck Islam” t shirt is invited into the mosque to observe prayers and comes out a changed man–the religion “is a beautiful thing” he now says.
http://pulse.ng/religion/in-america-anti-muslim-protester-changes-heart-says-islam-is-beautiful-after-visiting-mosque-id3831683.html
A story CAIR then runs with all over social media. Do we see a “beautiful pattern of conduct” here?
TheBuffster says
Let’s see them try to make a video by approaching an *actual* counter-jihadist who knows the Qur’an and the Sunna and can reel off questions that bore right to the core issues.
They aren’t going to try that.
Jack Diamond says
This story is about as reliable as this one they just put in the Daily Mail (under “news”):
“I was kidnapped by reptile aliens and taken to the moon for sex’: Former radar tracking officer for the U.S. Air Force claims she remembered bizarre and shocking incidents under hypnosis”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3270860/Former-radar-tracking-officer-U-S-Air-Force-claims-remembered-bizarre-shocking-incidents-hypnosis.html
Peggy says
I was thinking the same thing.
If all it takes to redeem Islam is a trip to a mosque to see it in all it’s “beauty” why haven’t they approached Pamela or Robert yet? Surely they want to set the record straight and convincing them would really go a long way.
It’s so much easier to get a ready to convert Christian or one of their own to pose as a hateful Christian to perform a miracle.
I am so insulted that they attempt to insult our intelligence.
TheBuffster says
That occurred to me, too, Angemon.
If the protester was for real, it’s a shame she hadn’t studied the Islamic texts. If she had, she would have approached her protest much differently, and asked some pointed questions – especially on that specious comparison between ISIS/Islam and Nazis/Christianity.
mortimer says
Hitler loved Islam. Muslims love Hitler.
Conclusion: the differences between authentic Islam and Hitlerism are small.
mortimer says
Moreover, German Christians led the several plots to assassinate Hitler.
TheBuffster says
True, Mortimer.
Albert Speer wrote about Hitler musing on how much better it would have been for Germany if the traditional religion had been Islam rather than Christianity. I think Hitler had referred to Christianity as “flabby”. Anyway, whatever terms he used, he was implying that all the love and forgiveness and turning of cheeks wasn’t a helpful foundation for a martial political machine.
somehistory says
“Come on, …, islam is not a death cult. You’ll see if you just step inside,” utters the snake.
Those like the one described in the article, are much like the overweight, plain, poor and low in self-esteem, having a child and not much else, who fall victim to predators looking for a child to freely rape while pretending to love the mother.
They can’t stand to hear or think about the truth, so it’s easier to believe the lie. Like that long-ago snake in the garden, the snake still is the same today. satan, ever busy, reeling in the victims with smooth talk.
mortimer says
This scenario is obviously fake.
somehistory says
Quite so. The reality is, islam and its adherents will stoop to snake stomach level to gain power over others. In fact, they never rise above that level.
Peggy says
It’s like a scene from Hansel and Gretel.
Come in says the witch.
somehistory says
The infamous o bin laden had a finger too. Recalling him walking and talking on videos and the John Miller special, his finger was often in the air, right next to his face.
voegelinian says
Yes — bin Laden and his right-hand man, Ayman Zawahiri. There could well be a more generally Islamic significance to the gesture rooted in tradition, rather than the notion that ISIS just cooked it up out of scratch. Muslims don’t tend to innovate like that.
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjEzNjEyMjkwOV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNDMyNDIzOA@@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1304499/images/o-AL-ZAWAHIRI-ARRESTED-facebook.jpg
TheBuffster says
Even if the gesture has been with Islam from the beginning, it’s now strongly associated with the Islamic State and has become equivalent to the Nazi salute for the Islamic State. Muslims who support the IS use the raised finger to signify that support.
At best, the Muslima in the photo is in the habit of using that gesture simply to signify her belief in the one god, forgetting or somehow not knowing that it has become a signal of solidarity with the Islamic State – not the best choice for a photo purporting to show that ISIS is *not* true Islam.
At worst, she knows exactly how her gesture will come across and means to signify to IS supporters that she’s just pulled a fast on on the ignorant kafir. Ha-ha-ha.
PRCS says
Well, I have to disagree about the significance of the index finger gesture.
I’m sure that to some, it surely does reflect one’s allegiance to the Islamic Stat–today.
But, many videos of the 1st and 2nd Chechen wars (1994 and 1998 respectively) featured that same gesture–meaning “one God” as I understood it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o618z6wX4aM&list=PLfUYC4wkdazYZOCbcYoa5IRMzxG4bCtas
The moron at 2:31 is noteworthy.
I wonder what all those virgins think of him.
Beagle says
Yes, it stands for Tawhid, Islamic monotheism. But it is also a supremacist gesture. And you should know many Muslims consider Christians to be polytheists due to the Trinity.
PRCS says
I’m aware.
The point I make is that the gesture has been around for quite some time.
Westman says
The minimum meaning of the upward index finger, for Muslims, would be shorthand for allahu akbar in stealth mode. It would in general mean “we” worship the “real” god who will be victorious over the earth and you unbelievers are destined for Allah’s sadistic hell.
mortimer says
There is absolutely no evidence that the one-finger salute has ‘been around for quite some time’…more like a few years.
More Muslims have made the Heil Hitler salute than this one.
Peggy says
So has the swastika until the Nazis tarnished it.
PRCS says
Yes, Mortimer, there IS plenty of evidence.
I provided a link as but one example of it’s use more than 20 years ago.
Here it is, again:
voegelinian says
See above.
The fact that we can see it before ISIS doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not Islamic; it could well mean it precisely is Islamic and that’s precisely why ISIS adopted it.
PRCS says
The fact that it has been in use for who knows how long necessarily means it IS Islamic, which is why it’s still in use.
If every jihadist on the planet today was to be eliminated, it’s meaning and future use would remain the same.
Roger says
There’s at least 3 photos wildly used by the bbc showing the British Alan Henning in Syria giving this salute. Not one news agency be it anti jihad or MSM mentioned this.
Here, again is the link.
bbc.com/news/uk-29485405
voegelinian says
Alan Henning was “delivering aid to Syria” when he was kidnapped, delivered to ISIS, then beheaded. Yet another starry-eyed Leftist plunging into Hell on Earth to help Muslims, and getting bit horribly in the ass. And how was he kidnapped? Did some of the nice Muslims he worked with the deliver aid to Muslims help ambush him, tipping off the kidnappers, perhaps assisting more directly? Watching that video one sees Alan Henning in various aspects of his volunteerist Wilsonian do-gooderism; one can see him brimming over in selflessly self-righteous ethical narcissism. It seems like every last one of the Western ISIS victims were such starry-eyed Leftists; their activist lives and their horrific ends reflect in microcosm the macrocosm of the West’s multifarious suicide with regard to Mohammedans in general.
Mark davidson says
The smile and the one finger salute say it all: “look at me brothers and sisters of jihad, I just fooled an infidel”
Lynne Marton says
Exactly!!
Tanja says
Exactly! Crosses my mind also.
Don McKellar says
Yes, much like when Obama gave the ISIS salute to those moslem African leaders a while back with a smirk on his face.
Roger says
Charles Johnson springs to mind…
Asderts says
Of course I can’t say anything for sure — but something strongly tells me that this story may have been staged.
gravenimage says
Story about anti-jihad protester being won over by kind Muslims features Muslima making Islamic State hand signal
……………………………,
War is deceit, indeed.
There’s more about this incident that seems fishy, as well–check out the linked Daily Mail article. A supposedly Jewish supporter of the Mosque–who just happened to be there–sports a full Jihadi beard. He said that some people who claim to be Muslims are actually fanatics–as though the two were mutually exclusive.
And this supposedly “Islamophobic” woman is the *only* one to show up to an anti-jihad protest, with a badly made “No Sharia Law” sign. Incidentally, the whole horror of Shari’ah law is not discussed–but one is intended to assume that it is not really a problem.
It sounds as though this whole thing was intended to falsely imply that concern about Jihad and Shari’ah is marginal–and easily dispelled by talking to a few Taqiyya-spewing Mohammedans.
The whole thing is also suspiciously well photographed, for something that was supposed to be spontaneous.
This “Islamophobe”–or now former “Islamophobe, I suppose–was supposed to have been inspired by a group called “Global Rally for Humanity”, which suggested protesting Jihad.
Here are the meretricious Keith Ellison and Dalia Mogahed, claiming that protesting against violent Jihad is “Anti-American”:
“Global Rally for Humanity is anti-American”
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/opinions/ellison-islam-america/
He also says that protesting against Jihad somehow ’empowers ISIS’.
This is the usual–the idea that what causes violent JIhad is any resistance to violent JIhad–which includes just acknowledging that it exists and that one considers it bad.
It is also, of course, quite illogical–if resistance is what causes Jihad, how did it start in the first place? Did “Islamophobes” become fearful over something that did not exist until they feared it? In any case, the idea is that violent Jihad is the fault of Infidels.
Ellison also emphasizes that in opposing resistance to Jihad that “the response cannot be limited to Muslim Americans”–which may explain that suspiciously Muslim-looking “Jew” outside the Noor Mosque in Michigan…
Angemon says
Indeed, GI, there’s plenty of eyebrow raising details – or lack of them – in this story. Hence why I’m going with “staged” until further evidence.
Remember that homemade film with about “islamophobe” named Robert Spencer who was won over to islam because of a friendly muslim neighbour? Same premise, different people and location.
Angemon says
Ugh, accidentally pressed “Post Comment” before finishing remodeling “Remember that homemade film with an “islamophobe”” to “Remember that homemade film about an “islamophobe””. RIP, English grammar…
gravenimage says
I agree, Angemon–more “Pallywood” shenanigans. Unfortunately, the dhimmis at the Daily Mail are all eager to swallow it–as is the case at the Huffington Post, as well, which is ludicrously titled “Love won”.
Yeah–“love” always wins when we stop protesting Jihad and Shari’ah…sarc/off
TheBuffster says
“This is the usual–the idea that what causes violent JIhad is any resistance to violent JIhad–which includes just acknowledging that it exists and that one considers it bad.”
Graven, you know very well that it’s *resistence to the invitation to submit* to Islam through conversion or subjugation that causes violent jihad. If you don’t resist, you’ll be okay.
gravenimage says
Right you are, Buffster.
Abdullah says
Come on Robby- you filthy Armenian hippo. You know very well that means one God and every Muslim from faggot to jihadi uses it and has used it since the Prphet used it in his sermons. Used in every prayer all the time but you wanna pin the shit on Isis – burn in hell pig shit
Angemon says
Are there “faggot” muslims, Abdullah? Because I thought homosexuality was punishable by death in islam.
Abdullah says
My dear Adamite, takes 4 male witnesses who witness the penetration to convict someone of the crime. The fact that people have been convicted with that type of proof needed confirms that there are faggot Muslims – Muhammad did say what is probably most accurately translated as “The pitcher and the catcher, kill them both.” But he also said that if someone is peeping in your room you can poke their eye out. So must be some real jealous butch type Muslim faggots out there turning on each other like that and squealing to the qadi
TheBuffster says
Yes. The religion of peace. And love.
gravenimage says
More crap from the Slave of Allah (which is what “Abdullah” translates to):
My dear Adamite, takes 4 male witnesses who witness the penetration to convict someone of the crime. The fact that people have been convicted with that type of proof needed confirms that there are faggot Muslims – Muhammad did say what is probably most accurately translated as “The pitcher and the catcher, kill them both.”
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The idea that it is hard to convict someone on the accusation of homosexuality–one need not actually *be* gay–is as absurd as the idea that it is difficult to convict a woman of “Zina” in order to stone her to death.
Also, he cites this appalling Hadith, look what he is positing–that not only is gay sex worthy of the death penalty, but so is *being raped*.
But why should that surprise? Pious Muslims have also murdered female rape victims, including a 13 year old girl in Somalia who was stoned to death after being gang-raped, and a 14 year old girl flogged to death in Bangladesh after being raped by a relative.
More:
But he also said that if someone is peeping in your room you can poke their eye out. So must be some real jealous butch type Muslim faggots out there turning on each other like that and squealing to the qadi
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The idea that gay people are being killed on the basis of being turned in by other gay men is simply ludicrous–gay men are regularly hanged in Iran, and a group of high-school boys were stoned to death in Iraq.
The latter were “convicted” as gay because they wore fashionable Western-style clothing and enjoyed “Emo” music:
“Iraq: ‘Morality police’ stone to death at least 90 young men for ’emo’ appearance”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/03/iraq-morality-police-stone-to-death-at-least-90-young-men-for-emo-appearance
The fact is that “justice” in Islam is not only brutal, but it is so often arbitrary and revenge-driven. This is why decent Infidels reject Shari’ah.
gravenimage says
Notice that Abdullah does not explain why the Islamic State has embraced this gesture with such fervor. Also, if Abdullah is a pious Sunni Muslim, what possible problem can he have with the devout butchers of ISIS?
I do have to admit getting a bit of a kick out of his adressing Robert Spencer as “you filthy Armenian hippo”, though–this is rather more creative than most of the ridiculous invective thrown his way–if no less absurd.
mortimer says
Abdullah is apparently an ISIS supporter and a supporter of the Armenian genocide or he would not have mentioned it. But ALL Muslims believe in genocide, pedophilia, rape, misogyny, slavery, supremacism and Arab racism or they would leave this evil ideology.
Abdullah is unaware that all Islamic doctrines are DUALISTIC and therefore inconsistent and incoherent.
gravenimage says
Yes, Mortimer–I was thinking that the “Armenian” reference was likely a thinly-veiled threat.
Don McKellar says
I’m only guessing, Abdullah, but in the faggot – jihadi relationship you’re describing, is the jihadi the “male” or the “pitcher” in the relationship and the faggot the “female” or the “catcher” when the two moslem males have gay sex? And how is that finger used? Perhaps you can clarify as you appear to be an expert.
Paul says
Strange how the Islamic State just love to execute homosexuals
in order to satisfy their perverse and barbaric blood lust, as well
as to overcompensate for the fact that they’re not exactly
heterosexual themselves :
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/07/11/egyptian-cleric-muslim-brotherhood-sheiks-issued-fatwa-permitting-anal-jihad/
Jack Diamond says
No, the one finger is for this:
“Abu Huraira reported: The Apostle of Allah said. When any one of you awakes up from sleep and performs ablution, he must clean his nose three times, for the devil spends the night in the interior of his nose. (Sahih Muslim, Book 002, Number 0462)” Bukhari says it is Satan hisself up your nose (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516). How does it feel following something literally insane?
We have a one finger salute too, creep. The middle one.
Paul says
You talk about “faggots” but you revere a man who married
a little child and who consummated the marriage soon afterwards.
You see him as the perfect man. Strange priorities indeed :
Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old
and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then
she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64
Abdullah says
He صلى الله عليه و سلم had quite a few women. And he had a young woman. He adviced us to marry virgins because their mouths were more sweet, wombs more fertile, and they are satisfied with less. With all he had to deal with why do you bother so much about his one virgin. If he didn’t marry her we would all be going around marrying divorced women and widows and no man wants only that. A lot of responsibility and then a little relief isn’t a bad thing
Jack Diamond says
She was not a “young woman”, she was a child. His act set the stage for centuries of child marriages and child rapes. But then Islam is a misery for women altogether.
A verse concerning divorce includes wives who have yet to have menstruated.”If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who have ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three months. The same shall apply to those who have not menstruated. As for pregnant women, their term shall end with their confinement. God will ease the hardship of the man who fears him”. 65:4
Spelled out by Abu-Ala’ Maududi:
“Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl at this age but it is permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Qur’an has held as permissible.” (Maududi, volume 5, p. 620, note 13)
Which is what Muhammad did, besides raping war captives and (sex) slaves like Mariyah the Copt. But I see why you might want a girl who is “satisfied with less.”
Abdullah says
Are you spying on me Jack? Did you just see me through the camera on my computer when I was on a shameful web page that you know I need someone who can be satisfied with less. Pervert. :'(
gravenimage says
The repulsive Abdullah wrote:
He صلى الله عليه و سلم [“peace be upon him” or SAW–GI] had quite a few women. And he had a young woman. He adviced us to marry virgins because their mouths were more sweet, wombs more fertile, and they are satisfied with less. With all he had to deal with why do you bother so much about his one virgin. If he didn’t marry her we would all be going around marrying divorced women and widows and no man wants only that. A lot of responsibility and then a little relief isn’t a bad thing
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My God, how sickening. The idea that raping a nine-year-old child constitutes “relief” is something only a pervert–or a pious Muslim–would posit.
And note his other absurd claim–that if one does not rape pre-pubescent children, that he is ‘reduced’ to only marrying widows and divorcees–this is only true if *all* girls are raped as children.
And third-graders are *not* fertile–they are, in fact, pre-pubescent.
Also note this claim–often made by pious Muslims–that such abused children are “satisfied with less”–of course they are–all they expect is to be raped and beaten.
Which brings us to the next point–pious Muslims do not regard women as fellow human beings, whom you might fall in love with and wish to partner with–instead, they have to rape small children who are incapable of consenting–and more important to these weak rapists, *incapable of saying no*.
And when Abdullah refers to “with all he [the “Prophet] had to deal with” and that he had “a lot of responsibility”, what he means is that Muhammed was busy oppressing, enslaving, and slaughtering Infidels such as ourselves–and that he had to take time out to rape school girls and sex slaves for a “little relief”.
One final point: Abdullah asks why we “bother so much about his one virgin”–it is inconceivable to pious Muslims that anyone could have compassion for a little 9-year-old rape victim. And why should this surprise? Abdullah and his vicious coreligionists consider child rape nothing more than a “little relief”. *Ugh*.
Paul says
Just as I thought. You’re perfectly aware of how perverse
Muhammadanism truly is and you still happily embrace it.
You’re beyond redemption. You’ll follow your ‘prophet’ to
hell.
Joseph says
Abdullah says
Are you spying on me Jack? Did you just see me through the camera on my computer when I was on a shameful web page that you know I need someone who can be satisfied with less. Pervert. :'(
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SOOOO you admit you go to pornographic websites and bop your bishop.
JawsV says
You’re a true representative of Islam, abdullah. Your nasty mouth says it all.
Abdullah says
☺️
mortimer says
Abdullah is a genocidal, gay-hating, misogynistic, pedophiliac, theocratic totalitarian obscurantist promoting a Bronze Age Death Cult. Normative Islam, rather than an aberration.
Joseph says
mortimer, You forgot jerk-off artist. See my above post. He admitted it, I didn’t put words in his mouth.
Abdullah says
You are argue very solid points. damn. But how can you really get out of this? I can’t obscure things so please don’t call me an obscurist just because my understanding may be off. I only say things so crudely because how the hell else can I convey what I have to believe if i want to be true? I have 2 daughters and one is almost 9. The other is 13. My wife asked me about a friend of mine to marry the oldest one when she was 10. I was like hell no. Then she told me the other day that her 25 year old cousin was interested I was seriously considering taking my kids and running away. Wife doesn’t have much education but grew up in U.S. If I changed then I would lose my whole family. Kids, wife, parents, concubines (jk), friends, all of it. And then I wouldn’t be able to control the outcome of what happens to my daughters or veer them in anyway. Hell, I could even be killed. I know it’s unlikely in this country but it’s not like it couldn’t happen or taken back home and killed. And wife isn’t interested in learning more than just the basic babble and motions she already knows and only listens to feel good talks to make her live Islam. I share with her from sira and ahadith and just ignores anything that may bother her. I try to embrace it but it’s hard so when I talk about it it’s crude and gross. I don’t know. I’m told I need to understand the wisdom behind things that bother me but I study the sira in depth in Arabic – not the revised books that you have (eg. Alfred Guillaume’s translation) and when I find the wisdom behind these things it’s even more unsettling. I don’t know. It’s been good. We have good food and tight family all good things that seem lacking here. Maybe the wisdom behind this messed up seeming stuff is that it somehow creates family warmth and the good things that come with it sometimes.
Jack Diamond says
if you cared about your daughters you’d get them away from this cult and give them a chance in this life. No matter what. You’d also have the integrity to take your remarks here to the next level and admit you are living a farce that you do not believe in, a farce that also calls for the murder and subjugation of unbelievers and practices that daily. A tight family? Held tight by fear, pig ignorance, and your blood halal if you (or your daughters) step out of line. The Mafia had tight families too. Hitler was kind to his pets. Let’s see, how does it weight on the scale–family warmth (living a lie) vs. crimes against humanity… personal security (living a lie) vs. truth and honor and integrity?
You might begin with an apology to Robert Spencer, if this last post isn’t just more of your “humor.”
Jack Diamond says
so “burn in hell pig shit” is like performance art for you? You “trying” to be a good Muslim? That’s pathetic and despicable…but then you already know that.
Abdullah says
Every Muslim knows that the pig first came into existence when it crawled out of the Hippo’s ass on Noah’s ark. The animal shit had to be cleaned up somehow – but I should probably thank Robert for throwing me into confusion and agony time and time again. I was mostly angered by him calling it an ISIS salute when all Muslim’s across various ideological spectrums use it. Nobody likes their savior when he’s dragging them out of the comfort of their filth. Perhaps one day I’ll be able to apologize from my heart but now I can only thank him for letting my instability play out in the comments section.
Angemon says
Abdullah posted:
“I should probably thank Robert for throwing me into confusion and agony time and time again. I was mostly angered by him …Perhaps one day I’ll be able to apologize from my heart but now I can only thank him for letting my instability play out in the comments section.”
Always the infidel’s fault, isn’t it?
Abdullah says
Sometimes it’s the woman’s fault.
gravenimage says
More and more from Abdullah:
Every Muslim knows that the pig first came into existence when it crawled out of the Hippo’s ass on Noah’s ark. The animal shit had to be cleaned up somehow – but I should probably thank Robert for throwing me into confusion and agony time and time again.
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Funny what throws pious Muslims into “confusion and agony”–certainly not enslavement or murder or the rape of little girls. But any implied criticism of vicious Islamic dogma makes them totally unhinged.
Speaking of unhinged, look at his description of pigs–a completely inoffensive animal. But Muslims always lose it when faced with pigs, pork, references to swine, bacon, or anything else vaguely related…
More:
I was mostly angered by him calling it an ISIS salute when all Muslim’s across various ideological spectrums use it.
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Perhaps this “Slave of Allah” should take things up with his pious coreligionists who use this as a sign of allegiance to the Islamic State. Nah–it’s all the fault of the “filthy Infidels”…
And again, he doesn’t actually say what it is about the very Islamic Islamic State that he finds offensive–certainly, they take all of their cues from the texts and tenets of Islam and model of the foul “Prophet”.
More:
Nobody likes their savior when he’s dragging them out of the comfort of their filth…
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What is this a reference to? Did Robert drag Abdullah out of the comfort of his filth? Poor baby…
More:
Perhaps one day I’ll be able to apologize from my heart but now I can only thank him for letting my instability play out in the comments section.
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I see–instead of letting his “instability” play out in the real world–where he could wreck physical violence rather than just deranged invective at us?
More:
Sometimes it’s the woman’s fault.
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C’mon, Abdullah–you’re a pious Muslim–so it’s *always* the woman’s fault…
Abdullah says
Imagine growing up believing that pigs were born into the world out of a hippo’s ass and that cats came into existence when a lion sneezed. Imagine growing up and finding out that was borrowed from the Jews along with the story of Shem being the middle eastern man, father of the prophets, Japheth, white man, father of the kings and Ham, black man, father of the slaves. Then studying my Quran critically and finding similarity’s to rabbinic mishnah and Plato and Aristotle and Nestorian Christianity and Alexander Romance and just a grab bag of other stuff and then going back to it and believing it is the divine speech. I love Muhammad he reminds me of the great generals of ancient lore yet he is so down to earth with his people, it’s like you can see yourself in him, like Alexander a bit. He’s like a hodgepodge of the ancient heroes and prophets just like the the book seems like a hodgepodge of sorts. Islam is like a moment in time crystalized and preserved through the vicissitudes of time, resistant to change.
Abdullah says
I feel hypocritical bewailing Columbus Day
Jack Diamond says
Not just borrowed, stolen. Islam is a replacement system that steals- “abrogates”
the entire Jewish and Christian religions, it doesn’t just appropriate their prophets or claim the Holy Land for itself. It abrogates the Bible (with a nonsensical claim that the words were changed) and makes Jesus proclaim Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets.
The only religion Allah (now) recognizes is Islam (3:19; 3:85). There is a reason Islam bans critical inquiry, it cannot stand up to scrutiny.
So, the absurdities of the Qur’an struck you and bothered you, not the hate and enmity for disbelievers, not the jihad wars and killing people because they would not believe that Muhammad is a prophet? Jihad, obligatory until the Day of Judgment.
Not the body count, not the massacres, not the rivers of blood from Khalid “the Sword of Allah” to Bin Laden; not the 800 bound men and boys of Banu Qurayza beheaded over a ditch; not the assassinated poets who dared mock or criticize Muhammad; not the permission to rape and plunder–worthy of the leader of a criminal gang not an apostle of God. Not the suffering of millions of lives spent under dhimmitude according to the laws of Allah. Not the wanton destruction of cultures and civilizations, past and present. Not the legacy of slavery. Not the woman-hating or the sleazy brothel in Paradise, and the promise of getting there through the blood of the disbelievers.
Not the reign of terror imposed on the Muslims themselves, a tyranny of mind and body and spirit, an inshallah stagnation that permeates the lands of Islam and keeps them backward; not the obligation to impose Allah’s inhuman laws upon the whole world. Those things all come from Muhammad, too, and it is obligatory to emulate them. “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah” (4:80).
To love Muhammad is to hate the rest of mankind.
Abdullah says
“To love Muhsmmad is to hate mankind” reminds me of what one of the leaders of the Ansar said at the second pledge at al-Aquba as they were about to give bayyah to Rasul Allah صلى الله عليه وًسلم. He said slow down before you give this pledge make sure you know what it means : to pledge yourself to Muhammad means to be at war with the rest of mankind. Reminds me of Jesus عليه سلم saying if any of you follow me he must hate his mother, father, sister, brother…etc. The things you mention don’t repulse me very much as history shows they are important for any movement that has ambitions on liberating the whole world. The religious aspect of it only acts as fuel to keep the flames of freedom burning. The whole reason the west is going down is because they lost that. They conquered 85% of the world and then stopped believing and have been in decline ever since.
Jack Diamond says
False equivalence and bad form to bring up Jesus, you won’t get far with that argument. “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself””He who lives by the sword will die by the sword” “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your friends, hate your enemies.’ But now I tell you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” Do you think that is in the universe of Muhammad?
“I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.” (8:12). Did God change His mind between the time of Jesus and Muhammad?
The neighbor Jesus refers to is not a fellow believer, as in Islam, it invokes the story of the Good Samaritan to demonstrate “your neighbor” is anyone in need. Jesus healed the sick, cured the lame, raised the dead, gave eyesight to the blind, and was the Prince of Peace (and not the “peace” of Islam). Mohammed called men to murder and enslave innocent men, women, and children. Do you begin to see a difference? Jesus, whom Christians follow, did not harm women, have sex with children, take slaves, behead people, call for military war or violence or kill anyone, didn’t steal or permit lying…you see where this is going.
Your detached admiration for evil (“don’t repulse me much”) says much about you and the condition of your soul (since we are in New Testament mode: “people love the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds are evil.”). Enslaving the world is not “liberating” it. All causes are not of equal worth simply because the followers are “enthused.” The greatness of the West is only to the degree it (and its enthusiasms) stood for freedom and the advance of human liberty and opposed tyranny. You know what tyranny is, you live and breathe the (Islamic) air of it.
Joseph says
Abdullah YOU SAID
Reminds me of Jesus عليه سلم saying if any of you follow me he must hate his mother, father, sister, brother…etc.
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EXACTLY where does it sat this in the Bible? Not, I repeat NOT in your plagiarized version called the Koran.
I expect an answer
Jack Diamond says
He can speak for himself but is probably referring to Luke 14:26 where the word “miseo” gets translated as “hate.” That it is doesn’t mean “hate” in the sense we might use the word, which would make no sense in light of Christ’s other teachings (or the 5th commandment), is made clear when it is paraphrased by Matthew in 10:37 “Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.” It is about one’s first commitment as a follower of Christ not about “hating” your family. When Jesus says “I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household” it refers to division within the family that will come from your belief and the warning you will be persecuted for it (not orders to do the persecuting, as in Islam).
They can twist these sayings to make them seem in accord with Islamic hatreds but only if they distort Christ beyond recognition: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Matthew 5:43-48
Compare that to Qur’an 5:51 or 58:22 and all the rest of the orders for al wala wal baraa, loyalty to (good) Muslims only, hate enmity and rejection (and war) for the disbelievers. Even in your family.
TheBuffster says
Spot on, Jack!
kay says
Re: ” But how can you really get out of this?”
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The how and why do matter greatly. This issue perplexes and challenges many.
As to how, you are embedded in a Muslim country or community or you are not. In a Muslim country you would be marked for death on trying to expressly leave Islam, so that really is not an option in such a context ( altho there is a way forward ).
As to why, you do it for your two children, to get them out of darkness, misery and oppression. You can have what feels like a “good family life” but it is not when your girls are being led into a very real kind of slavery, whether legal or psychological.
Every decent father would really want to protect his daughters from danger and harm, such as Female Genital Mutilation. And Muslim males in general, especially the Pakistanis and men like them. You know, the guys from ninety countries who went to Islamic State for jihad.
If you don’t teach your daughters a different perspective, one that respects females and human rights, no one else will.
It is the formal Sharia obligation of a Muslim parent to kill their own child if the child turns away from Islam. So obviously there is no such thing as family solidarity or values in Islam. Regarding which, I just found this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3264534/Revealed-Italy-s-Lady-Jihad-convinced-entire-white-Catholic-family-convert-join-ISIS-Syria-Fanatical-daughter-guaranteed-mother-terrorists-washing-machine-leave-pet-kitten-behind.html
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She berated them for living among kaffir [non-Muslims] in Europe, saying it was obligatory to hate them.
Anti-terror police heard Fatima inciting her family to kill non-Muslims. The wire-taps recorded her saying: ‘There is no friendship between us and unbelievers even if they are your parents.’
Fatima also said she was ready to be a martyr, saying:… ‘Allah and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi call you here to hijrah…to make jihad in God’s name because we must destroy non-believers.’
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Aside from all the Islamic violence, in which two hundred million have been killed, there is also the serious problem of the Koran being unreadable and incoherent due to the false ordering, the abrogations, and the interpretive contexts. See
An Historical Critique of Islam’s Beginnings – Jay Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9lIuUjPs0
I have engaged quite a few Muslim apologists online. They all quickly go down to defeat. They can’t even answer me with anything real.
Go with the evidence, such as I have given: Islamic culture is dangerous, and it is irrational nonsense. By all means, study the Koran in depth. Bill Warner at PoliticalIslam.com has high quality objective study materials – that Islamic fanatics should greatly fear.
There’s also Pastor Dave Wood. He’s great. As a Buddhist theologian I recommend him.
JAMIE GLAZOV and David Wood Top Ten Quran Verses to Understand ISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNWcLPRwKJg
You either stay in the darkness and thereby condemn your kids to that, or you go to light and freedom. Many people leave Islam. And there are groups for support of ex-Muslims. Leave the death culture. And do it for your kids. That is the way to care for them.
gravenimage says
Well, this is *really* bizarre–but not unusual–Abdullah is fine with the rape of pre-pubescent girls, but balks at this happening to his own daughters. This is as much as we are apt to see of morality from this pious Muslim–I’m sure he is fine with the rape of *our* daughters.
But then he tries to chalk the threat to his own children up to the “ignorance” of his wife–even though he has openly acknowledged that pedophilia is an intrinsic part of Islam, and has even *approved* of it. This is the routine kind of cognitive dissonance you find with so many Muslims.
And further, he acknowledges that resisting this sort of mainstream Islam is dangerous–and could even get him killed.
But he is willing to not only continue to expose himself and his daughters to these kind of dangers, but to laud the very creed that endangers them to decent Infidels here.
I *do* hope his daughters escape child marriage. And why? Out of the same kind of compassion that Abdullah sneers at when he asks why we “bother so much about one virgin”.
Jack Diamond says
Bizarre is right. I suspect the sudden reversal of tone is his idea of a good joke on the kaffirs but who knows. Otherwise, the cognitive dissonance is mind boggling. This is your brain on Islam.
gravenimage says
I think it’s genuine, Jack–but with such irrationality, it is always difficult to tell.
Paul says
I’m not surprised the buffoonish Daily Mail fell for this. It doesn’t
really stand for anything. One day, it’ll have horrific images of
some islamist atrocity. The next, some badly researched story
about some imaginary backlash against muslims. It’s the
sensationalism from the unreliable journalism that really counts.
In some ways, it can be more deceptive and misleading than other
papers such as the Guardian, from which we’ve at least come to expect
nothing less than completely consistent and undying dhimmitude.
Joseph says
This woman who “finally saw the light” about Islam is being used like toilet paper. She has been shit on and will be flushed down the toilet. She hasn’t a clue as to what is going on, she should have been educated about Islam BEFORE having any contact with them. Her soul is definitely in jeopardy.
Also look at the Muslima, there is that evil, evil look on her face and in her eyes. She actually gives me the willies. Kind of like looking into the face of someone demon possessed.
Paul says
They are extremely proud of their ability to deceive, but don’t
realise that they are themselves deceived and are doing the dirty
work of the greatest deceiver of all. That’s one of his names.
Just another way in which it’s all diametrically opposed to the Bible.
Raja says
Yes Joseph you are right,
The Muslima is having an impish / sly look for HAVING ACCOMPLISHED the task of conning the victim/target and the PROSPECT of conning many more through social media. Stage management at work…..
Chabuco says
Sounds and looks like another hoax story, akin to Ahmed’s. These pedophile worshipers don’t even dissimulate anymore, too obvious.
Chabuco says
The woman on the left looks totally like a pedophile worshiper herself, c’mon! They should have brought a white trash, blue-eyed blond, pinky ass cracker like Ibrahim Hooper at least, to dissimulate a bit.
somehistory says
The two women actually look a lot alike. If the one didn’t have sun glasses on, so we could see her eyes, and if she opened her mouth like the younger one, rather than pinching her lips together…they actually look like they could be mother and daughter.
Anything for islam….promote it, lie for it, pretend….this smells fishy, but if it is the real deal and she was anti-war of the moslims, there are still many questions not addressed.
gravenimage says
I noticed that, too, somehistory–they may well be mother and daughter.
somehistory says
graven,
I read with interest your comments on this and like any good investigation, we look at all possibilities to see which one fits, so we can see the truth of the matter.
The reality is most likely that the *infidel* was never a reality and was an *undercover* moslem just pretending. Much like a shill at carnival shows. They were probably hoping to reel in others who really are against their warfare by using this shill.
They just look so much alike. Why else would the *infidel* hide her eyes?
BTW, thanks for the information on the OH barracks. I have family in that area.
TheBuffster says
I have an alternative hoax theory. Note that there were people in the photos who seemed to be “Occupy” members, wearing their “Anonymous” masks on their heads. Perhaps the lone protester wasn’t a Muslim, but one of the Occupy group. I didn’t think she looked so much like the younger woman, myself.
Why the sunglasses? A lame attempt at avoiding being recognized, since she was playing a role purporting to be real?
The mole – aside from adding to the dumb bigot image – may also have been an an additional attempt at disguise. Also, who would want to be recognized all over the place as the yahoo in the video?
Angemon says
TheBuffster posted:
“I have an alternative hoax theory. Note that there were people in the photos who seemed to be “Occupy” members, wearing their “Anonymous” masks on their heads.”
An expression I learned from Ezra Levant: “rent a mob”. He knew some protesters almost by name from covering different protests.
mortimer says
Most converts to Islam soon discover the MISOGYNY, PEDOPHILIA and ARAB RACISM at the core of the Death Cult. They usually abandon this EVIL ideology within two years.
Converts are never trusted by the racist Arabs.
I suspect this story is a ‘put-up job’ with the supposed Islamophobe role being played by a Muslim actor.
It’s theater.
Joseph says
“They usually abandon this EVIL ideology within two years.”
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Woe unto them that die before they repent to GOD for their folly and foolishness.
Just how many souls will have to be lost before this abomination is wiped out?
mortimer says
Taqiya.
voegelinian says
Excellent commentary by Robert Spencer for the feature story.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Voeg.
gravenimage says
Oh my God–the things you find when you do some research.
I thought I would look into this Mosque–the Noor Islamic Cultural Center in Ohio.
It is the Mosque the threatening family of brave apostate Rifka Bary was part of–and this girl was threatened by the “community”, including the Mosque. Here’s the link:
http://www.orlandolawyer.tv/documents/Noor%20Memo%20of%20Law.pdf
The Mosque leader has links to the Muslim Brotherhood, to terrorist leaders, hosts “extremist speakers”, and is involved in an FBI terror investigation.
*Very* disturbing stuff.
Joseph says
Graven, Ever consider going for a P.I. license? You got that **certain something**.
My prayers are still with you and yours.
Sincerely
Joseph
Sam Hawkins says
… or an investigative reporter, a very good one.
Joseph says
Trouble is Graven would tell the truth, this severely limits the media outlets to work for.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Joseph and Sam.
Raja says
Thank you Somehistory, and Gravenimage for your watch/vigilance on the stories planted by the press. Very absorbing…
TheBuffster says
Thanks for doing that, Graven!
Any reporter who’s worthy of the job would have done that bit of research. It would have been an entirely different story had she bothered. Instead, she wound up doing dawa for supporters of jihad, spreading their taqiyya like a good dhimmi.
Now that I’ve seen that document, I’m convinced that the Muslima who raised her finger was signalling her triumph at having pulled the wool over kafir eyes. And I’m thinking the woman with the big, ugly mole is no kafir.
TheBuffster says
Ooops! Graven, I re-read the article, and the Noor Mosque in the video is in Michigan. The Noor Islamic Cultural Center in the paper you linked to is in Columbus, Ohio. Not the same place.
gravenimage says
The article in the Daily Mail does originally identify the incident as having taken place somewhere in Michigan (town unnamed)–but then the article links to the Noor Mosque *in Ohio*:
“The Noor Islamic Cultural Center shared the touching story on Facebook along with photo memories from the day.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3268906/Woman-protesting-violent-Islam-hears-Facebook-ends-hugging-peaceful-Muslims-going-mosque-coffee-bagels.html
https://www.facebook.com/noorohio
And this Ohio Mosque site has pictures from the story above. Not only that, it refers to the ‘islamophobic’ protester as an “Ohio woman”.
And the Huffington Post also identifies the incident as having taken place in Ohio:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-surprising-welcome-this-anti-muslim-protestor-got-at-an-ohio-mosque_561bc168e4b0082030a3215a
Not sure what the actual case is–but thanks so much for pointing this discrepancy out, Buffster.
TheBuffster says
You’re welcome, Graven. And thanks for the further information.
R Cole says
Proof that the average Muslim knows fully what Islam is all about – they just can’t tell you!!
That’s if you don’t join ~ of course!!
To go inside the hive!!
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It is right to take people as you find them – but it appears this Muslim girl has gone out of her way to make a fool out of this protester.
Posing for a picture with her – the Muslima makes not any symbol – but that of Islamic State – long awaited utopia for Muslims – a murderous place for anyone else.
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It’s the one armed man!
Proof it’s an Islamic ideological problem…
The argument has been that somehow westerners are to blame – and if we can fix ourselves – and do better – the Islamic problem will simply go away. Remember, we were told – if we got rid of the [fabricated] Islamophobia – then we could get rid of Islamic terrorism – western leaders must have been completely desperate to fall for that one – usually peddled by some Muslim brother or other. I think some western leaders are still hedging their bets on it. The big question is how do you get it perfect for Islam? And then Islam has moods!!
We would have to get the balance just right!
And that means everyone should be on board to ensure success – in defeating Muslim terrorism.
And that you don’t need to do anything to have a problem with Islam ~ or more, for Islam to have a problem with you!!
Ed says
The whole thing seems staged.
I immediately recognized the IS finger and that satanic smile.
Mark A says
Looks staged to me.
Staged for the Islamist audience who know exactly what this one finger gesture means. Taqiyya for those non-Muslims willing to fall for it.
TheBuffster says
Hey, did anyone notice that in the photo of the Muslima embracing the protester there’s a guy taking a picture in the background wearing an “Anonymous” mask on the top of his head? That’s kind of odd.
Mark A says
Read the Daily Mail report that Robert took this from and pay particular attention to the photos. It seems the anarchist crowd are right in there with the Islamists in this case.
The Buffster says
Thanks, Mark.
kay says
I looked into some of the background here.
Looks like a win for Keith Ellison and a pathetic loss for whoever these “Global Rally” people are. If that organization was real in the first place.
The “news story” is a puff piece for the mosque. The story FAILS because there is NO representative from this Global Rally organization, not any contact nor specific goal given.
The Daily Mail is clearly a very poor choice for real news. They show a bunch of big full color pictures, but the article is basically ninth grade at best.
Looks like something produced by George Orwell’s 1984 Ministry of Truth.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-elnes/the-farce-of-global-rally_b_8275438.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/opinions/ellison-islam-america/
At this point I’ll say the other side scores a big p.r. win here. But this pathetic Daily Mail article and the “event” overall really look really fake to me. The Pam Geller / Cordoba story in New York City was very real. That would have been something to cover in the Daily Mail.
I therefore award a minus 2 on a scale of 1 to 10 to the Daily Mail. They blew it.
Also, on a scale of 1 to10, I will give Abdullah a minus 2. The use of the raised right index finger is characteristic of bloodthirsty Sunni jihadis, as in Islamic State proper.
And a 10 out of 10 for Robert Spencer on this one. He nailed it.
Overall result, well, that depends on the readership of CNN. Can’t evaluate that and maybe no one can. It is a mixed result. But CNN has been nailed on this before wrt Islam and free speech, at least on youtube.
I have a sense that Ellison wins but that CNN loses overall.
Obviously no one appointed me judge of anything or anybody. I’m just trying to honestly assess the state of play here.
PRCS says
So many Muslims—like those at that mosque—get away with lying about Islam because they are not asked specific questions.
To preempt the usual obfuscations and dissembling they should be asked which Qur’an passages they are willing to publicly challenge and which ones they simply ignore in their personal lives.
They should be asked where on the planet its commands to amputate an unrepentant thief’s hand, a hand and foot on opposite sides for other offenses, and death for apostasy are morally acceptable to them.
They should also explain how killing another human being for leaving Islam does not constitute murder in their minds and how “radical” Islam differs from their “personal” Islam and how “extremists” are perverting Islam.
And they should definitely be asked why that oh, so common—but incomplete line—“if anyone saves one life…” is directed by Qur’an at “the children of Israel”.
Of course, the likelihood of someone asking such specifics being generally slim to none (as demonstrated by that moronic woman) they need not fear such awkward situations.
There are so many other specifics about which they SHOULD be queried.
TheBuffster says
Only people who have read the Islamic texts would be prepared to ask pertinent questions. People who just get fired up over some junk they read on Facebook, who really are ignorant bigots going on their emotional reactions to Jihad violence, won’t have the intellectual ammunition to come up with any questions. Warm, kind, loving feelings coming at them with benevolent words giving false impressions will be enough to turn feelings ungrounded in knowledge away.
Of course, if the lone protester was a pretender, either a Muslim or a dhimmi (did anyone notice the guy wearing the “Anonymous” mask on his head – the mask Occupy people often wear? What was he doing there?), then she was meant to portray anti-Islam protesters as ignorant fools who read nothing but Facebook gossip and memes.
Any knowledgeable opponent, such as David Wood, would never make it to the Noor Islamic Center’s YouTube account.
Jack Diamond says
The “anarchists” are confronting the protesters on behalf of the Muslims and trying to intimidate them. See the pics in the Daily Mail. Solidarity.
TheBuffster says
Thanks, Jack.
Anarchists. Sheesh.
There’s not what you would call anarchy under Sharia law.
Baucent says
I still remember that photo of one of the British hostages beheaded by Jihadi John. He was photographed with his muslim friends as they arrived in Syria in a “Peace Convoy”. He was making the index finger salute along with his muslim mates, everyone was smiling, but within days he had been kidnapped and abandoned by his muslim friends who scurried back to England. It’s been to me, a symbol of treachery ever since.
Kathaleena says
Abdullah the scaly, slimy snake in the grass take your vermin somewhere else. Your kind is not wanted here. May your black soul rot in hell.
Oppressaphobe says
Notice:
the Christian is represented in a “certain way” in the photo.
This is a common theme in many such photos, like anti-Islam protesters. They find the fattest, least smart looking and attractive subjects to make the Christians look, well kinda bovine-ish.
And notice the METICULOUS make-up on the Islamist. You don’t roll outa bed lookin’ like that!
These Muslims may be on our welfare system (that’s only to break our bank) but they ALWAYS have very expensive stuff, like the make-up she is wearing. This was not purchased at the dollar store. As the owner of a convenience store I know what these people buy and money is never an object to them.
Look what the Christian is wearing for expensive make-up, unless the mole is fake—NADA.
So, again we see the absolute hypocrisy of Islam where modesty is suppose to rule the day for woman, yet these woman are more concerned about their make-up than the Christians being slaughtered all around them. They would sit there and apply their eyeliner while children are burned alive.
So their modesty is not really a character trait, as in our culture. Their modest dress is because they have to cover themselves for the sake of their animalistic men.
THAT’S NOT MODESTY FOLKS! ALARMS SHOULD BE GOING OFF IN PEOPLE’S HEADS!!!
There’s something very wrong with this picture. Modest woman don’t pile on the make-up, and what is the reason for your modesty, if not that you will be:
MORE MINDFUL OF OTHERS AND LESS MINDFUL OF YOURSELF AND YOUR MAKEUP!!!
Shmooviyet says
The photo seems to be trying to suggest, “see the beauty of the (well-eyelined) follower vs the not-so-much of this average kuffir woman who (like so many) wastes her Sundays drinking beer and watching football…”
IOW, you as a woman can be more attractive– if you open your hearts to all by embracing islam.
Did the former Packer fan receive a makeover and pamphlet full of islamic beauty tips, with instructive photos of lovely and accepted uses for headscarves?
The whole story does reek of fakery.
medaber_emet says
She is so disgusting
you can actually see the evil in her eyes
i hope she will burn in hell
Joanne says
Does anyone have any information on the “protester”? Would be interesting to know some background, like name, religion, other civic activities, occupation (like, “actress”?), etc. If she learns about things on fb, then she obviously has a profile and that profile would most likely have other suggestions as to her political beliefs.
Paula Boddington says
I’ve found that the DM will publish comments which make vague claims but couple of times when I’ve tried to make comments along the lines of ‘actually that is in the Quran, see ch X verse Y’ somehow, those comments never get posted. They don’t seem to want to do proper journalism or enlighten people about Islamic ideology at all. Funny that.
Mark says
That seems right across the board as far as the normal media goes.
I was listening to Lying Biased Conversation LBC Radio earlier and they usually major in parroting the muslims warfare lying for them let alone ‘seem’ to be ignorant of every blatant lie muslims on phone ins spew.
Shane says
Another example of Muslims practicing Taqiyya, deception of the infidels. Too many Westerners fall for this act.
Sergio says
The same has happened to me. The Daily Fail never allows me to post any critique of Islam, even though I am always respectful and I support my statements with the Qur’an and the Hadith.
Ilan says
That’s exactly what happens to me when I try to write a comment on DM that is favorable of Israel. It never appears.
Lenny Thetruth says
The finger gesture is nothing new. If you watch American sports, you will see that some Christians use the same gesture to represent Christ. It is a cultural thing, depending on what culture it comes from. But, it is a religious gesture. I saw a picture of Obama doing it.
The real finger gesture I would have for Islam, is another finger. It is the middle one. It should tell them and all the world, how I feel about Islam.
Dr. Divinity says
At sports games the closed fist with the index finger raised says their team is number one.For Isis they are saying their way is number one….Yes they are number one in stupidity for believing in Islam…..but WAIT…..we’ve been told repeatedly that what isis is doing has nothing to do with islam