“It found the Salafi-jihadist groups shared nearly identical ideologies and said challenging their interpretation of Islam was critical to defeating them.” I couldn’t agree more that their ideology has to be challenged. But challenging it on spurious grounds will prove futile. Pretending that they’re misunderstanding the Book of Peace and the peaceful teachings of Muhammad is just whistling in the dark. It is contrary to fact, and isn’t going to accomplish anything.
“Blair: ‘Perversion of Islam’ behind Middle East problems,” by Susannah Cullinane, CNN, October 6, 2015:
(CNN)The “perversion of Islam is the source of a lot of the problems in the Middle East,” and more than force is needed to tackle extremism, former British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Tuesday.
Blair spoke to CNN after Tuesday’s release of the report “Inside the Jihadi Mind.”
The Centre on Religion and Geopolitics — an initiative of Blair’s Tony Blair Faith Foundation — analyzed propaganda from ISIS, al Qaeda and al-Nusra Front over two years for the report.
It found the Salafi-jihadist groups shared nearly identical ideologies and said challenging their interpretation of Islam was critical to defeating them.
“There’s no point in just tackling the violence unless you tackle the ideology of extremism behind the violence,” Blair said.
“You’ve got these broad ideological strands that lie behind a lot of this extremism. If you take, for example, some of the organizations in the Middle East, some of those clerics that are putting out the most extreme stuff — they’ll have Twitter followings that go into millions of people.
“These people are saying things about Jewish people — about even those in their own religion who are different that we would regard as completely unacceptable — and it’s those waters of extremism in which the violent extremists can swim,” he said.
“The majority of people within Islam do not support either the violence or the ideology. What we are talking about, however, is a radical Islamist way of thinking that results in extremism by small numbers of people, but that thinking is shared by larger numbers of people, and you’ve got to attack both — the violence and the extremism, the thinking behind it,” Blair said.
He said countries where extremism had taken hold needed to overhaul their education systems.
“We’ve got to use our negotiating power and might with these countries to say, ‘You’re going to have to reform the education systems that are educating millions of young people day in and day out to a view of the world that’s narrow-minded, bigoted and hostile to those who are different.’ “…
The “Inside the Jihadi Mind” report authors said the propaganda of ISIS, al Qaeda and al-Nusra Front was built on shared “distorted religious principles” and produced “single-minded focus on violent jihad.”
“When they attack one another, it is not ideological differences that drives the conflict, but differing narratives: the ways in which they apply their ideology to reality,” the report said.
“The Salafi-jihadi movement will not be defeated by focusing on these narratives: it will only be defeated if we understand and engage the ideology.”
Ed Husain, the foundation’s senior adviser, said the groups “call for a caliphate of slavery, death and destruction.”
“They justify their evil by abusively citing Scripture and creating religious certainty in the minds of angry, eager and obedient recruits,” he said.
Ed Husain is thus pushing the idea that Islam is a religion of peace when its scripture is properly understood. This has never actually been established. Most of the touted Islamic refutations of the jihadi scriuptural case simply ignore the Qur’an passages that the jihadis actually use. Take, for example, Dr. Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri’s much-ballyhooed and quite lengthy fatwa against terrorism: never once does it mention the Qur’an’s verses that exhort believers to kill unbelievers (2:191, 4:89, 9:5, etc.). Clearly it is meant to lull non-Muslims into complacency rather than to convince jihadis to lay down their arms.
…”Counter-narratives must embrace the power of popular culture as well as the authority of religious voices to succeed. Meanwhile, many disenfranchised returning fighters have an important role to play in debunking the legitimacy of this ideology.”
The center also recommended giving support to grass-roots Muslim responses and helping technology companies such as Twitter and YouTube promote “credible religious sharable material that rebuts the jihadi message.”…
Yes, after all these years we’re still waiting for that rebuttal.

MM says
I also think that Islam is a perversion. And yes, we must challenge their believe in Islam and their interpretation of Mohammed as a perfect example of conduct.
mortimer says
Many scholars agree with you. They believe ‘early’ Islam was a Christian heresy that gradually morphed into a violent DEATH CULT and twisted the original Mohammed into a sociopathic warlord. Most of the caliphs WERE sociopathic warlords.
‘Primitive’ Islam was re-written by Caliph abd al Malik and made more violent and cruel. However, the cruel, misogynistic Arab desert culture is the basis of Islam, which is totally incompatible with the Golden Rule of Judaism and Christianity.
Blair needs to go back to school. The Koran of Mecca is violent, while the Koran of Mecca was more tolerant. The Koran of Medina abrogates and supersedes the Koran of Mecca COMPLETELY.
Tony Blair is naïve and unacquainted with standard Islamic doctrines…he makes up his own self-serving version of Islam which is in disagreement with that of Al Azhar University. Caliph al Baghdadi is one of the BEST INFORMED Islamic scholars in the world.
William says
Tony Blair may be naive, but he is not ignorant. He says he reads the Koran every day, and that he reads it to stay faith-literate, whatever that means. He says the Koran is immensely instructive; it extols science and knowledge. Furthermore, he says it was way ahead of its time regarding marriage, women, and governance. He even said Mohammed was an enormously civilizing force.
mahghan says
Not naive but maybe nit too bright or intelligent. How can one read the Qur;an every day and not see that it is book of murder, rape, theft and all crimes against humanity. Blair is supposedly a trained lawyer and yet is not intelligent enough to see what is says. There Muslims like Mona Walter who have read the Qur’an and recognized soon after that it is a book of violence.
Blair is also very silly in that he is saying that he knows the Qur’an in English better than the Caliph of ISIS, Al Baghdadi in Arabic. What a useful idiot. Has Balir read the Hadiths and the Sunnah? If he has, and continues to talk such nonsense then he must have his head examined.
But assume that he knows that what he is saying is false then why is he still doing it? Is it cosy up to Arabs for business and contract purposes? Is it to sound “nice” to Arabs?
vlparker says
He’s not naive, he’s stupid for denying what is right in front of his eyes.
Judi says
Thanks to Blair’s government, they opened the floodgates for the Mudslime invasion by invading Iraq. Even when they attempted to deport a few radicals, his “human rights” lawyer wife would defend them and get paid thousands of pounds in fees for helping them remain in the country. The pair should have been charged with treason. Meanwhile they are millionaires,and he commands thousands of pounds as an “after dinner” speaker!
IQ al Rassooli says
Tony Blair is NOT Naive or over intelligent. He can either be a BOUGHT politician for Islam or STUPID because it is IMPOSSIBLE for any decent and sane human being (even with TWO brain cells of logic) having read ONLY the first NINE chapters of Muhammad’s Quran and not come to the following conclusions:
Muhammad, his Islam & his followers of Allah’s Sharia are: Hatemongering Warmongering Duplicitous, Misogynist Disloyal Intolerant Hypocritical Cowardly Despicable Vile & hence Ungodly
No follower of Muhammad or any of their apologists can prove any of these adjectives WRONG. After all, I have had over $1,500,000 worth of challenges for the last ten years and have yet to lose a dime
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
Godwin says
Yes, Tony Blair, haven’t you noticed that perversion had turn the ME into a huge killing field, not just a lot of problems,stupid !
Pong says
“…Golden Rule of Judaism and Christianity “.
It should be of Judaism or Christianity. You know, they are different. One of them brings a thought of homosexuality: “I’ll do to you, what I want to be done to me.” Some golden rule!
Jay Boo says
Ping Pong
If your point is about Muhammad’s disgrace, I agree that Islam is total filth.
Maybe Tony subconsciously meant the (perversion that is Islam) when he said, “perversion of Islam”
Thomas says
If the ““perversion of Islam is the source of a lot of the problems in the Middle East,” the only thing needed to solve this perversion is a detailed position paper detailing the correct Islam theology.
Once informed of their errors, ISIS will become peaceful.
Whose going to prepare the write up?
john spielman says
no one, because the perversion IS islam
underbed cat says
Good one. I got a chuckle out of a sick situation.
If they did “write it”, it certainly would provoke a deadly response.
Westman says
REVIVAL of Islam is the source of a lot of the problems in the Middle East would be the accurate phrase if Blair would stop trying to solve a serious problem with PC tools. Apparently his dyslexia keeps him from understanding those signs his citizens hold up in demonstrations. Like, To Hell With Your Democracy and Sharia For Britain.
jayell says
Why are we still hearing from this hideous, dishonest, superannuated old phoney? He’s supposed to be locked up somewhere for his many sins, not posturing around the world stage shooting his mouth off with his usual self-serving drivel. Who’s paid him to say this this time round?
john spielman says
Satan/allah
jayell says
And what oil company does HE work for?
john spielman says
Saudi Arabia
DeMolay says
These are the sorts of proactive things organisations such as CAIR should be doing, as opposed to just trying to sue and smear everyone that dares to challenge the Islamic ideology.
vyx says
For the longest time, I thought that Bush used the “religion of peace” line so he did not offend peaceful Muslims in the US. Not sure if I believe that now. More than a decade after 9/11, they are still in appeasement mode. Why? I have no idea. However, it does seem to me that many Western politicians appear to agree with the overall goals of Islam, and have no problem spreading the lies.
Raja says
Most probably these liars are on the rolls of Saudis. Bush had too much interest in oil. to jeopardize his rising stock
Beside lying and denying these useless guys want us to believe that they know more than all the Islamic scholars put together on this planet earth.
gravenimage says
No–you get lots of ordinary people in the West who buy into the “religion of peace” lie out of denial or “political correctness”. Few of these people are in the pay of Saudi Arabia.
Peggy says
Sure but ordinary people are not informed. They think they are because they watch the news but don’t know that the news is actually propaganda.
They attend universities and think they are educated but they are forcefed lies about this issue.
They ones who are pushing this propaganda on us are the ones who are either paid by Islam to do that or in fear of losing their jobs in MSM.
An ordinary person can be forgiven but the rest not.
ECAW says
Ah yes, Islamism – a sect of Islam believed in only by Western non-Muslims.
Peggy says
Just like Hollywood but only frightening.
ECAW says
“It found the Salafi-jihadist groups shared nearly identical ideologies”…with Mohammed and his immediate successors.
Miau Zedong says
The Caliphate of Washington.
Many of the contributors on JW-Website are obviously very smart. Now tell me that the following is just “bollocks” from a Yahoo-Troll.
—
WE AMERICANS ARE LIVING UNDER A MUSLIM GOVERNMENT
with serious security issues!
Read it until it hits you like a ton of bricks. Read it again until
you understand!!
We now have a Muslim government.
John Brennan, current head of the CIA, converted to Islam while
stationed in Saudi Arabia.
Obama’s top advisor, Valerie Jarrett, is a Muslim who was born in Iran
where her parents still live.
Hillary Clinton’s top advisor, Huma Abedin, is a Muslim whose mother
and brother are involved in the now outlawed Muslim Brotherhood in
Egypt.
Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for Homeland Security, Arif
Aikhan, is a Muslim.
Homeland Security Advisor, Mohammed Elibiary, is a Muslim.
Obama advisor and founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, Salam
al-Marayati, is a Muslim.
Obama’s Sharia Czar, Imam Mohamed Magid of the Islamic Society of
North America, is a Muslim.
Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships, Eboo Patel,
is a Muslim.
1/13/15: Nancy Pelosi announced she will appoint Rep Andre Carson,
D-Ind, as the first Muslim lawmaker on the House of Representatives
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. It would make Carson the
first Muslim to serve on the committee that receives intelligence on
the threat of Islamic militants in the Middle East! He has suggested
that U.S. schools should be modeled after Islamic madrassas where
education is based on the Quran!!!
CIA director John Brennan took his oath on a copy of the Constitution,
not a Bible.
Congressman Keith Ellison took his oath on a copy of the Qur’an.
Congresswoman Michele Bachman was vilified and verbally tarred and
feathered by Democrats when she voiced her concern about Muslims
taking over our government.
Our nation and our government has been infiltrated by people who want
to destroy us.
It can only get worse!
This list leaves out Jeh Johnson, the head of Homeland Security, who declares himself a Muslim every time he appears on TV.
somehistory says
I can only agree with what you have written.
underbed cat says
Yes I have read this is his administration …it’s been done, subversion. Any light at the end of this black tunnel.? Ben Carson, Trump, Louie Gohmert and some hero must be heard and hopefully a knowledgeable leader for Republicans.
Miao Zedong says
I can’t take the credit for what an informed user wrote online.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Hillary Clinton’s top advisor, Huma Abedin, is a Muslim whose mother and brother are involved in the now outlawed Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
From Diana West two years ago:
Huma worked for a journal that promotes Islamic supremacism that was founded by al-Qaida financer Naseef, who also headed the Muslim World League, a leading Muslim Brotherhood organization – is called the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs. It was edited first by Huma’s father, Syed Abedin, and now by her mother, Saleha Abedin. Saleha is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood. Mother Abedin also directs an organization (the International Islamic Committee for Woman and Child) that comes under the umbrella of the Union for Good, another U.S.-designated terrorist organization. As McCarthy reminds us, “the Union for Good is led by Sheikh Yusef al-Qaradawi, the notorious Muslim Brotherhood jurist who has issued fatwas calling for the killing of American military and support personnel in Iraq as well as suicide bombings in Israel.”
***
It’s a darned shame that the Pulitzer Prize crowd didn’t have the spare hours in the day to do a single report on these facts. Or that our next president Hillary’s illegal server is the only plausible explanation of why a few dozen Mujahidin showed up at the Benghazi facility at the same Amb. Chris Stevens did, they had to know somehow. In deference to our sensibilities, the Pulitzer Prize crowd has spared us the grisly but illustrative fact that the Mujahidin Men saw fit to anally gang rape Amb. Stevens as he slowly died from the beatings he was receiving in his final minutes of life.
Check that. Correction: news entertainment superstar Bill O’Reilly ain’t got his Pulitzer Prize yet. Nor has Greta. Or Eric. Or Megyn. But they will. And besides homosexual anal rape is an ugly subject, especially the gang rape kind.
mahghan says
Is there proof that Valerie Jarret is a Muslim–just for the sake of accurate reporting? If so, what is her Arabic name and what Mosque does she attend? Note that a MINO is not really a Muslim.
Holy Prophet APF says
She has acknowledged being a member of the Mo-Sis-Hood.
voegelinian says
” Note that a MINO is not really a Muslim.”
How about a MINO-WCTPTSTDDTIEAOL (= a “Muslim In Name Only Who Continues To Promote The Same Taqiyya Dawa Disinformation That Is Endangering All Our Lives”)…? Does it really matter if they are “not really a Muslim” in that case? And how many “MINO”s aren’t in fact MINO-WCTPTSTDDTIEAOLs, anyway…? And how would you know?
Et fucking cetera.
mahghan says
Did you understand what i wrote. There are CINOs like Stalin, Hitler, Clinton, etc. They were baptized as infants but think and behave only in material and secular terms. There are some Muslims like that too. Hence MINOs—i.e. are totally uncommitted to the religion of their parents. Of course, those kinds of persons would be less than 0.00001% of the world’s Muslim population. Just as there are CINOS, JINOS, B(uddhists)INO, etc.
voegelinian says
“There are some Muslims like that too. Hence MINOs—i.e. are totally uncommitted to the religion of their parents.”
I see maghan is a mind-reader who can read the minds of millions of Muslims around the world. The Counter-Jihad needs such talent desperately!
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“I see maghan is a mind-reader who can read the minds of millions of Muslims around the world. The Counter-Jihad needs such talent desperately!”
What for? We already have you. And, true to form, you avoided touching his argument.
gravenimage says
Valerie Jarrett probably isn’t Muslim. She was born in Iran and speaks some Farsi–but she was born to American Infidel parents. Her father was a physician working through a program serving in “developing” countries. The family spent six years in Iran.
There is a rumor to the effect that she was ranting about her “Islamic faith” and her intent to “change America to be a more Islamic country”–but this has been debunked by Snopes.
This being said, she is as much a dhimmi and whitewasher of Islam as most in the Obama administration:
“Valerie Jarrett explains why Obama won’t say ‘Islamic’ terrorism: there are other kinds of terrorism, too”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/valerie-jarrett-explains-why-obama-wont-say-islamic-terrorism-there-are-other-kinds-of-terrorism-too
Peggy says
Sort of like, if Obama is Dracula then she is Igor his servant and protector during the day.
Both vile.
somehistory says
He is absolutely right….because those who are not moslem, but wish to protect islam and its mindless adherents from being investigated, from being *profiled* …from being stopped in their tracks with regard to the different, and oh so many, forms of jihad…are trying to *pervert* it into something good…something worthwhile…something with value and merit…trying to make it virtuous.
And those who are engaging in stealth jihad…those adherents who know what their unholy book commands and demands and wish to hide the fact from the ordinary infidel until they are ready to spring their unholy, unlawful code of barbaric behavior on all citizens…lie about what it really is.
He is right…because you see; the definition of perversion (from google) is :distortion, misrepresentation, falsification, , misinterpretation,
islam is being *misrepresented* in order to blind people to the truth of just how evil it really is.
islam is the creation of satan the devil to enslave all people on earth to him and his evil, perverted ways.
(Revelation 13)
debra vieira says
This irrelevant old windbag has long ago been perverted (willingly) by islam’s lies. He’s hopeless.
JawsV says
Tony Blair = a Moron.
ECAW says
“When they attack one another, it is not ideological differences that drives the conflict, but differing narratives: the ways in which they apply their ideology to reality,”
Does anyone understand this or is it just gibberish?
Mirren10 says
Blairspeak. Which *is* gibberish.
j_not_a says
This irrelevant old windbag has long ago been perverted (willingly) by islam’s lies. He’s truly a hopeless case.
Jaladhi says
Once again imam Blair is talking about terrorists perverting Islam. He must be a big authority of Islam and even people al Azhar people consult with him about Islam. So why doesn’t he issue a fatwa against all those perverters of Islam!! LOL..
Michael Copeland says
“The lie fed to us all is the old, tired duping of Bush. We have heard it by now ad nauseam: it is the increasingly worn and threadbare narrative that “Islam is peace” … but has been hijacked, radicalised, politicised, warped, twisted, distorted, perverted, misunderstood, wrongly interpreted, and so on and so on. …..
Islam must be just about the world’s worst-taught subject, with appalling teachers and hopeless students.”
“The problem facing the world is not Islamism. The problem is Islam.”
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6418-tony-blair-we-seem-blind
“There is a problem within Islam”, said Tony Blair.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6183-extremism-there-is-a-problem-within-islam
Angemon says
Starting 610, apparently – with muhammad.
You don’t say!
Huh, yes, there is. What are you planning to do, walk over to the leaders of the islamic state, al-qaeda, taliba, etc., tell them how they’re “misinterpreting” islam and everything will work itself out? That they’ll just be like “so this is what islam is? Time to pack up and go home then”? No, you smash them so hard that they’ll come out on the other side as antimatter, then you deal with their ideology – if you refuse to take them on it’ll be kinda hard to convince someone they’re wrong when their scriptures tell that if they’re good muslims allah will make their enemies fearful of them.
Seems that small minority of extremists hijacking islam is not so small. Or minority…
Again, started with muhammad in the 7th century. Or 8th. Or whenever it was islam was concocted.
They’re certainly not not supporting them…
Doesn’t really matter if it’s “small numbers of people” when you have “larger numbers of people”, does it?
Gunboat diplomacy. Historically, that’s the only type of “negotiating power” that worked with islamic “extremists”.
Don McKellar says
He looks like he’s going to shape-shift into a reptilian at any moment…
dumbledoresarmy says
*I* was thinking of that traditional Aussie expression – “stunned mullet”.
PRCS says
” “single-minded focus on violent jihad.””
So, Tony, do you admit, then, that “violent jihad” is a valid in Islam?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
He’s alluding to non-violent Jihad, you remember, the part about the internal spiritual struggle. That’s why the Holy Ko-Ran talked about elderly and handicapped men not being required to take part in Jihad, concern about their ability to think that internal spiritual struggle stuff.
PRCS says
I think we should ask his sister what he’s talking about.
Lawrence says
Perversion of Islam, that’s like saying a perversion of Nazism, or a perversion of fascism.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
“There’s no point in just tackling the violence unless you tackle the ideology of extremism behind the violence,” Blair said.
Isn’t Tony the guy who used to carry around a Holy Ko-Ran? Hey Tone, if you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about do England a favor please and shut the hell up. And shut the BBC down while you’re at it. Too much bad information going around, too many self-serving fantasies posing as tough talk. If something does not exist, it can’t be part of an accurate analysis or a proposed solution.
Once the BBC is shut, new outlets will pop up overnight, and one might ask “extreme compared to what?”
Westman says
I have stopped listening to NPR after 30 years when they brought in the BBC as a program source.
“There’s no point in just tackling the violence unless you tackle the ideology of extremism behind the violence,” Blair said.”
There is a precedent of both being done at once. Having the Emperor of Japan as Diety was a stumbling block to defeating the Japanese who fought for country AND religion. When the nuclear bombs were dropped, and Hirohito was forced to appear hat in hand to Gen. MacArthur, it was no longer possible for Japanese citizens to believe that the God of Shinto cared about the Japanese or had the power to respond.
This resulted in, “The Directive for the Disestablishment of State Shinto (1945)” which, in essence, stated that its purpose was to, “..prevent recurrence of the perversion of Shinto theory and beliefs into militaristic and ultra-nationalistic propaganda designed to delude the Japanese people and lead them into wars of aggression..” Another propaganda use of the word “perversion”, like Blair’s, to avoid the reality of saying mainstream Shinto is the problem.
Something of this magnitude, that destroys the majority belief that Allah cares, and shows he is effectively powerless, is what will ultimately be required to stop Islamic agression. Blair’s notion of a grass-roots reform of Islamic doctrine and Eschatology is pure fantasy.
Oil wealth has created an Islamic revival that is fueled by the World’s energy appetite. This must stop
until the ME has a complete economic collapse without Muslim refugees being allowed into the West and Daesh must be annihilated by whatever brutal means necessary. Not defeated, annihilated. Horrible, and necessary. I don’t like it, so, someone show me a kinder way that will succeed.
Asian Crusader says
Go easy on Hirohito. He was certainly the figurehead fronting Japan’s wartime militarism, but he was hardly the key player. The militarists made a big deal of their alleged “respect for the emperor” but certainly made up their own minds in setting and implementing militarist policies domestically and on the international stage.
Westerners are often told how the Japanese venerated Hirohito as a deity. There was certainly a cult of personality that included religious imagery, but this is not the same as saying that educated Japanese would have credited the emperor with super-human powers.
Japan’s alleged “national religion” of Shinto had amounted to little more than a peasant religion ridiculed by the educated elite until it was seized upon as an ideological tool for building a 19th century modern nation around 1850.
In fact, Hirohito was the object of at least three known assassination attempts during his life, and no doubt countless personal approaches warning him off any speech or action that might be deemed “insufficiently patriotic” by the military ruling clique.
voegelinian says
“It found the Salafi-jihadist groups shared nearly identical ideologies and said challenging their interpretation of Islam was critical to defeating them.”
Spencer comments:
“I couldn’t agree more that their ideology has to be challenged. But challenging it on spurious grounds will prove futile. Pretending that they’re misunderstanding the Book of Peace and the peaceful teachings of Muhammad is just whistling in the dark. It is contrary to fact, and isn’t going to accomplish anything.”
The problem, as we all know (or should know by now), is that the Koran and Muhammad’s Sunna are thoroughly rotten foundations conducive only to evil. So, while Spencer is of course correct that not squarely facing the fact that “Salafism” is grounded in the Koran and Sunna “isn’t going to accomplish anything,” the Counter-Jihad must go further and explicitly affirm even squarely facing that fact is also not going to accomplish anything – if by “anything” we mean some way of salvaging Islam as a viable partner of the human race in the 21st century.
What would be a useful “accomplishment”, however — for the Counter-Jihad (and of course for the wider West of which the Counter-Jihad is (supposed to be) the spearhead — would be squarely facing the fact that Islam is thoroughly hopeless, rotten to the core, and that any aspects (or “elements” as Spencer used to say) of it that seem innocuous or even beneficial (e.g., the miswak as Spencer used to point out) are simply seemingly benign cogs in the overall Jihad Machine that has ground over 250 million humans into the ground in history, is now grinding humans into the ground as we speak, and threatens us all with worse in the coming decades.
voegelinian says
P.S.: The News: A Fractured Fairy Tale — still, of course, a year later…
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-news-fractured-fairy-tale.html
Wellington says
Tony Blair: “The perversion of Islam is the source of a lot of the problems in the Middle East.”
Wellington: “The reality of Tony Blair is the source of a lot of the problems in the UK.”
Excuse my referring to myself in the third person, as Caesar did in his memoirs, but I just couldn’t resist this one time. I just couldn’t.
Raja says
No problem Wellington, I can understand how frustrating the times are…
Westman says
So true.
celticwarriorcanada says
Hay Robert Spencer! If God was to grant me a few more wishes in this life , one of them would definitely be :to watch you DEBATE TONY BLAIR on the topic of, IS ISIS islamic ? One the other hand watching Tony Blair Being DEMOLISHED AND BURIED ALIVE (figuratively Of course) BY YOUR PROOFS AND ARGUMENTS MIGHT EVEN Seem PAINFUL FOR POOR dhimmi TONY! But if I was a gambling man ,I’d bet alot of money that Tony wouldn’t even stand a chance ! But of course all the British dhimmi politicians KNOW THIS ! And this is why of course why You and Pamella are not even ALLOWED IN THE COUNTRY !
William says
I would love to see Mr. Spencer show up unannounced at one of the town-hall meetings that the presidential candidates are in attendance and do a back and forth with them. It will show the unpreparedness for one of the most crucial issue facing our country of our so-called leaders.
David M says
Tony Blair is a traitor to his own people for opening the gates to a flood of Muslim immigrants, as well as being (along with George W Bush) an international war criminal for creating an illegal invasion of Iraq, who had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Both Bush & Blair should be arrested as war criminals, seems that doesn’t happen to western leaders though.
Wellington says
Neither Bush nor Blair, David M, are war criminals and such talk is just silly talk. Fact of the matter is that SH was regularly violating the truce agreement in sundry ways which ended the 1991 war (e.g., firing on British and American jets daily patrolling the two no-fly zones over Iraq, thus imperiling the lives of those fighter pilots). Moreover, every major intelligence agency on the planet thought that SH wasn’t coming clean about his WMDs (and remember he was the only leader in the world who definitely had WMDs AND had used them). No President of the United States could have let this megalomaniac after 9/11 continue in power. One knows this or should know it. Apparently you don’t. For God’s sake, cease it with the ludicrous international war criminal rot.
Where Bush (and Blair) went wrong was in believing that democracy could be implanted in Iraq. Here these two are truly guilty of naivety taken to egregious proportions. No Islamic country is capable of democracy because Islam is the one major religion which is also a totalitarian ideology. Bush and Blair failed not by invading Iraq and getting rid of an out-of-control maniac but rather in their ill understanding of Islam.
Going on and on as people like you do about the illegality of invading Iraq is simply stupid. The world’s most decent nations have to, from time to time, take out national serial killers like SH. One knows this or should know it. You don’t. But far more sadly, Bush and Blair made the gigantic mistake of not knowing what Islam is really all about. Herein lies the real tragedy and not the removal of Saddam Hussein. Were Western leaders really knowledgeable about Islam, they wouldn’t do stupid stuff, as Bush and Blair have, of calling Islam a religion of peace and tolerance and, even worse, allowing these spiritual fascists, also known as Muslims, into the West to begin with. Wake up, will ya’.
David M says
On your basis North Korea needs to be invaded now, it fits all the criteria. They wouldn’t have the guts to do that though, with North Korea’s nukes. The weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was a massive lie, plain & simple, there weren’t any. Bush & co had an agenda to invade Iraq, & used 9/11 as an excuse to do it. Saudi Arabia should have been invaded if anyone was. Halliburton & Chaney were certainly pleased about it. Not an illegal action invading Iraq? Kofi Annan doesn’t think so.
http://www.google.com.au/url?url=http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2004/s1200535.htm&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0CDMQFjAEahUKEwjGkszGm6_IAhVDOKYKHTxCBmU&sig2=MbsVolPj1AdJkpYsWokoeA&usg=AFQjCNGZz27-xtYJitcK7BS208ceZ6b97A
Wellington says
Oh my God, you have to mention Haliburton? You know, they lost money in Iraq, don’t you? Also, just because you don’ fight everywhere doesn’t mean you shouldn’t fight anywhere. One has to pick and choose his battles. After 9/11, North Korea was the same threat as SH in Iraq was. Besides, everyone knows that North Korea will ultimately be contained by China if necessary. Moreover, even North Korea didn’t USE WMDs as SH did. And one doesn’t have to like Saudi Arabia (I certainly don’t) to realize that they’re a different kind of threat than SH was in 2003. Again, wake up. At least cool it with the nonsensical international war crimes garbage.
gravenimage says
Excellent post, Wellington.
Raja says
When in School I was amused and riveted with the word nincompoop in the English lesson, The luncheon by Somerset Maugham and it continued for long time.
Now JW has reminded me of another thorough-bred nincompoop who takes on the role of Frankenstein’s monster and makes me puke.
I didn’t know Britain could go to such depths of anguish. Per chance I may visit some people in UK for a day or two but to visit that “middle eastern” country otherwise is a simple nay / NEVER.
gravenimage says
OT, but is anyone else having this problem–in the last few minutes, I have been unable to access JW content–all that appears available is the comments sections.
gravenimage says
Problem seems to be fixed now.
mortimer says
Tony Blair has a lot of cultural Marxism in him. He does not wish to acknowledge the inherent supremacism, misogyny, Islamic apartheid, torture, plunder, cruel and unusual punishments, slavery, pedophilia, cousin marriage, cruelty to animals, obscurantism, Arab racism and theocratic totalitarianism that are normative Islam.
It is good he reads the Koran, but he must also read Sharia law, the hadiths, the Sira and the canonical Islamic commentaries in order to master Islamic doctrines.
Without reading Islam’s canonical writings, Tony Blair’s understanding of the Koran is extremely ‘narrow’. But the ‘Koran-only’ group has not removed Islam’s problems, because every page of the Koran contains hate speech. ‘Koran-only’ Islam (i.e. pick-and-choose Islam) cannot remove the violence from Islam either.
Alex says
This guy shouldn’t talk: he supported and financed the overthrow of a secular dictator (Saddam) that only benefited salafi jihadis throughout the Middle East. Now we have to deal with his mess.
dumbledoresarmy says
Blair – “…perversion of Islam is the source of a lot of the problems in the Middle East…”
Nope. “The practice of Islam is the source of a lot of the problems in the Middle East,”
There, fixed it for you, mate.
Now, for the benefit of anyone new to this website and this forum, I think I shall re-post what a very astute Israeli Jew called A. Carlebach (or Karlebakh) wrote *exactly* sixty years ago, in ‘Ma’ariv’, on 7 October 1955. [I say exactly, because here in Australia it is Wednesday 7 October].
It’s quoted here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/05/fitzgerald-edward-said-hoist-by-his-own-petard.html
“Fitzgerald: Edward Said, hoist by his own petard”
“…Fortunately for us, Said often provided quotes from various European and Zionist sources that are so deadly, so convincing, particularly in the light of all we have learned about Islam over the past few years, that as works of propaganda they no longer serve their purpose.
” Here is what Said quoted from Carlebach, and what Said obviously thought it was self-evidently absurd, but we read it now with quite a different frame of mind:
QUOTE:
“These Arab Islamic countries do not suffer from poverty, or disease, or illiteracy, or exploitation; they only suffer from the worst of all plagues: Islam.
“Wherever Islamic psychology rules, there is the inevitable rule of despotism and criminal aggression.
“The danger lies in Islamic psychology, which cannot integrate itself into the world of efficiency and progress, that lives in a world of illusion, perturbed by attacks of inferiority complexes and megalomania, lost in dreams of the holy sword.
“The danger stems from the totalitarian conception of the world, the passion for murder deeply rooted in their blood, from the lack of logic, the easily inflamed brains, the boasting, and above all: the blasphemous disregard for all that is sacred to the civilized world…their reactions — to anything — have nothing to do with good sense.
“They are all emotion, unbalanced, instantaneous, senseless. It is always the lunatic that speaks from their throat. You can talk ‘business’ with everyone, and even with the devil. But not with Allah…
“…This is what every grain in this country [that is, Israel – dda] shouts. There were many great cultures here, and invaders of all kinds. All of them — even the Crusaders — left signs of culture and blossoming. But on the path of Islam, even the trees have died…”. END QUOTE
Shoutout to our Jewish Israeli posters and lurkers – do you think you could possibly track down that issue of “Maariv”, October 7, 1955? And do an English translation of the whole thing, the entire article? Because I’d very much like to read all of it.
DiMu says
This self-serving sycophant of the Post-Modern PC arrogant elites needs to rot in the hell he has helped to create by his lies and deceit.
Sergio says
Somehow the Arab and North African clerics who have gotten a classical Islamic education in the world’s most prominent Islamic universities have gotten it all wrong. They have completely failed to understand Islam. Only left-wing progressives who haven’t even read the Qu’ran and who can’t even speak Arabic are capable of understanding the true nature of Islam.
Marc says
“But when the forbidden months are past,
then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them,
and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);
but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them:
for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.”
Just which part of “slay them” is so hard to understand ???
It will happen as it is written…
Greetings from besieged and partially occupied Germany
Sh. N. says
Dear unbelievers
Do not waste your time and money to prove that the so-called religion of peace is peaceful. It is not!
I am an unbeliever like all other unbelievers who just believe in peace and humanity and democracy.
All those good Muslims who you know or heard of who really really are good people, are not good because of their religion; they are good and peaceful because of their nature. They have no idea what the real Islam is. They are told all transcendent ideas are Islam-included. Since birth they are taught that all good deeds are appreciated in Islam and unbelievers are all poor little things that will end up in Hell, although they had led positive and prosperous lives.
I am an unbeliever who once was a believer who practiced his religion for quite a while. I knew one third of Quran by heart.
To learn about peace in Islam you may need to study this verse deeply – 48:29. Do not rely on just one translation. I give you the idea, but you will need a deep and close scrutiny to get it. Most translations are biased. It asserts that Muslims should be merciful and peaceful among themselves while strogly mean and rough against unbelievers.
ECAW says
I don’t understand why you suggest we need to make a deep and close scrutiny of 48:29 to get it. Its meaning couldn’t be clearer as far as I can see. What am I missing?
By the way, may I ask what was it that made you renounce Islam, and do you now have to hide the fact for your own safety?