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Trump: If elected, I would shut down certain U.S. mosques

Oct 21, 2015 11:53 pm By Robert Spencer

The Hamas-linked terror organization CAIR, which works assiduously to silence and marginalize everyone who speaks out against jihad terror, is now pretending to support the freedom of speech: “Donald Trump’s apparent willingness to close down American mosques that he deems ‘extreme’ is totally incompatible with the Constitution and our nation’s cherished principle of religious freedom,” said CAIR Government Affairs Department Manager Robert McCaw. “The government should not be in the business of deciding what is acceptable free speech or religious belief. Donald Trump’s off-the-cuff remarks are both un-American, and un-presidential.”

The freedom of speech and the freedom of religion do not give anyone a license to plot murder or sedition. It is completely reasonable to shut down mosques in which jihad terror is preached or plotted. Our American Freedom Defense Initiative called for that in 2013. This shouldn’t be controversial at all: churches in which murder is plotted or preached should also be shut down. No institution in which murder and sedition are preached or plotted should remain in operation.

Trump doesn’t understand the war against free speech or the implications of self-censorship in the face of violent intimidation, and that is a very serious flaw; but he is right on this one, and the sinister Islamic supremacists speaking out against him — Hamas-linked CAIR, Linda Sarsour — are testimony to that.

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“Donald Trump: I would shut down certain mosques in U.S. if elected,” by Adam Edelman, New York Daily News, October 21, 2015 (thanks to David):

Donald Trump on Wednesday promised to close certain mosques in the U.S. if elected President.

Trump, discussing his strategy to fight ISIS during an interview on Fox Business Network, also said he would revoke the passports of U.S. citizens who have traveled abroad to fight for ISIS.

“I would do that,” Trump said during a telephone interview after FBN host Jim Varney asked him if he would favor revoking passports and closing mosques. “Absolutely. I think it’s great.”

“If you go out, you go fight for ISIS, you can’t come back. Why can’t you do it? You can do it here,” he added.

Varney, however, then pressed the 2016 Republican front-runner, asking again: “Can you close a mosque? I mean, we do have religious freedom.”

“Well, I don’t know,” Trump responded in an apparent backpedal. “It depends on if the mosque is, you know, loaded for bear, I don’t know. You’re going to have to certainly look at it.”

The comments drew immediate rebuke from leaders within the Muslim-American community.

“It is truly outrageous that the leading Republican presidential candidate would announce openly that he would violate the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution by closing down religious institutions,” Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington-based advocacy and rights organization, told The News. “I hope this finally prompts people to speak out against this off-the-rails Islamophobia that we are seeing from the right wing of the American political sector. ”

Linda Sarsour, executive director of the Arab-American Association of New York, called the comments “dangerous” and warned that unless other politicians publicly chastised Trump, his remarks could put people within the community at risk.

“That the Republican front-runner for president is calling for the closing down of religious institutions in the land of religious freedom is outrageous,” Sarsour told The News. “This rhetoric, if it’s allowed to continue, has real consequences for the Muslim community in the U.S.”

“It creates suspicion and stigma against an entire community,” she added. “It’s unfair and unjust.”

Even Trump’s fellow Republicans took issue with the remark, with Rep. Peter King (R-Long Island) — who himself hasn’t exactly been an ally of the U.S. Muslim community — taking the candidate to task.

“Donald Trump is talking before he knows what he’s talking about. I have been critical of people in the Muslim community, but the fact is you can’t be going around shutting down mosques,” King said on Fox

The front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination also said he would revoke the passports of U.S. citizens who have traveled abroad to fight for ISIS.

“I think we should have surveillance of mosques. I think we should be trying to find out what is going on in a mosque, find out if there’s activity in that mosque, where there’s weapons or conspiracy going on,” he added. “Then yes you can take action. But to be casually, the way Donald Trump seems, to be talking about shutting down mosques? No.”…

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  1. Peggy says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 12:27 am

    I don’t understand why governments are preventing these people from leaving the country. Just let them go and then shut the door behind them.
    I know that this increases the numbers of ISIS fighters overseas but when they know that they will never be able to come back maybe many would rethink that.
    These monsters are determined to kill so preventing them from going just enables them to kill in our countries. They are too dangerous to keep so let them go and then bolt the door behind them.
    Then let the Russians take care of them.

  2. Gary says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 12:33 am

    Don’t be deceived. The “goings on” within mosques is not all “Holy”

    Satan will drag as many as he can into the pit of hell.

    Al-Taqiyya……

    ……A lie to all humanity.

    Example: Islamic Society of Boston mosque in Cambridge, Mass., Dzhokhar Tsarnaev explained after the bombing that he and his brother committed murder at the Marathon because they wanted to defend Islam. Tamerlan Tsarnaev had vowed to die for Islam.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 5:35 pm

      The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, or whatever the hell it says on the fortune cookie. Declaring the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist entity would go a long way to closing down or/inhibiting most of the mosques here since most of them are founded thru the auspices of the North American Islamic Trust (aka Muslim Brotherhood). Muslim countries know enough to monitor their mosques, unlike us. Tunisia closed 80 mosques after the beach jihad which saw 39 tourists murdered.
      What’s wrong with us? Is anything done with the Islamic Society of Boston which has had some dozen murderous terrorists associated with it and whose founder sits in prison on terrorism-related charges? Why the hell would Dar Al-Hijra Mosque in Falls Church, Virginia not be closed down after it was led by al-Awlaki and 9/11 hijackers and Major Hasan were mentored there? What does it take? Germany–in 2010!- finally shut down the Taiba mosque in Hamburg where 9/11itself was planned. Talk about a slow learning curve here. In fact, there isn’t a terrorist act NOT associated with a mosque or sanctified by an imam. (Imam-hunting would be a much more productive and cost-effective tactic of war than what we are doing).

      There may be mosques that preach baseball and apple pie loyalty to America, little mosques on the prairies somewhere…. but in real Islam, all mosques are supposed to be modeled on the very first mosque. Which was not just a place where prayers were performed but where doctrine was taught, where affairs of state were conducted, where death sentences were meted out, where jihad was preached, and where jihad operations were planned out. Mosques were used to store and smuggle weapons in those days (as they are in our day). Mosques are political and military because Islam is and it won’t be otherwise– unless the mosque is compromised from outside (monitored, regulated). The function of a mosque is like the duty of a Muslim, to follow and implement (and remove the obstacles to the dominion of) Allah’s laws. It is not a choice, Islam has never been about choice. It is about submission and anything less than submission is treason to Islam. Mosques in kaffir lands are, just as was the case with the first one in Medina, the center of the Muslim hijra migration and colonization of territory. Muhammad declared the whole earth had been declared to him a mosque (Sahih Muslim B004 n 1062). The mission of a mosque, if it is true to Islam, is not just to be a place of prayer but part of the (territorial) obligation to bring the earth under Islam’s control and purge it of kufr. One is as much a form of worship as the other. So, no one should be surprised to find mosques are performing their function, Islam is what it is. The question is what are we?


      Recommended reading, Sam Solomon’s “The Mosque Exposed.” He is an ex-Muslim who was a professor of shari’a law for fifteen years.


  3. gravenimage says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 12:34 am

    Is Donald Trump starting to get a clue about the dangers of Islam? Time will tell…

    • Lia Wissing says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 4:41 am

      I’m growing to like Mr Trump more & more!

  4. Katnis says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 1:01 am

    Go Trump! Now if you closed your business in Abu Dabi, we’d know you were taking a serious stance against Islam. But this is an excellent start and sets an excellent example. Maybe you could call Trudeau?

  5. Benedict says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 1:14 am

    A great idea revoking the passport of US citizens that fight against America. Closing mosques if they go against US laws and the Imam of that mosque jailed is also good. Protection of the nation and its people is paramount. Why are the Muslim organizations and their supporters afraid. If they have done no wrong there is nothing to be afraid.On the other hand if they are up to no good they need to pack up and go before they go to jail and being deported.

  6. Mahendra Singh says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 1:26 am

    Correct yourself Mr. Trump ! Sure you mean ALL mosques, not just SOME.

  7. sidney penny says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 1:31 am

    Robert

    Perhaps the word murder should be replaced with violence.

    Churches in which violence is plotted or preached should also be shut down. No institution in which violence and sedition are preached or plotted should remain in operation.

    OR Perhaps the word violence should be added to murder..

    Churches in which violence and murder is plotted or preached should also be shut down. No institution in which violence,murder and sedition are preached or plotted should remain in operation.

    Reason murder is not always plotted but violence is.And not all violence leads to murder. .

    • Gary says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 2:41 am

      Amen! Amen! Amen!

  8. sidney penny says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 1:35 am

    CAIR’s Robert McCaw. says “The government should not be in the business of deciding what is acceptable free speech or religious belief. ”

    What? advocating violence and murder is religious belief?

    What? advocating violence and murder is acceptable free speech?

    • Michael Copeland says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 4:33 am

      Not long ago CAIR was declaring that governments should very much concern themselves with “hate” speech because it is unacceptable. Now they say governments should not be in the business of deciding what is acceptable free speech.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 4:43 am

      Exemption is nearer than we think. Say there is a group that has an instruction book that contains commands to “Kill non-members wherever you find them ….strike the necks …. Lay ambushes and go after them in every stratagem of war”. If this text is classified as a holy religious book then the text is permitted to stay, and members who quote it to motivate the group will be exempt from charges of incitement to murder.
      Neat, isn’t it?
      Putin proposes “immunity” for sacred texts: they can’t be judged “extremist”
      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/putin-proposes-immunity-for-sacred-texts-they-cant-be-judged-extremist

  9. gerard says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 3:31 am

    Close all Mosques. Arrest and deport the Imams. Confiscate and dump all Korans in the nearest ocean. Ban Muslim attire. Ban Islam. Stop aid to Muslim countries. Achieve energy independence. Sorted.

    • Abdullah says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 6:52 am

      Whoa! Slow down pony. How about when Friday comes we use our military force and surround all US mosques locking the faithful congregants within and set fire to the abominations and the people within gather with family and friends eat barbecued pork chops and country style ribs and drink to our hearts content as we sing Jesus loves me and watch all our problems burn away.

      • Jay Boo says

        Oct 22, 2015 at 9:36 am

        Or we could publically mock Islam’s blatantly obvious pretense that Muhammad’s whole lifetime of sociopathic disgrace was honorable.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 22, 2015 at 10:59 pm

        Abdullah wrote:

        Whoa! Slow down pony. How about when Friday comes we use our military force and surround all US mosques locking the faithful congregants within and set fire to the abominations and the people within gather with family and friends eat barbecued pork chops and country style ribs and drink to our hearts content as we sing Jesus loves me and watch all our problems burn away.
        ……………………….

        This is nothing but projection:

        “Nigeria: Muslim mob burns down 8 churches”

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/nigeria-muslim-mob-burns-down-8-churches

    • Budvarakbar says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 9:07 am

      OK – except for polluting the ocean — just grind then up and use them for filler in hog feed and compressed sawdust logs for the fireplace — subsidize the manufacture and sell very cheap

      • Abdullah says

        Oct 22, 2015 at 9:26 am

        You don’t need to grind them up to use as hog feed. Just throw the corpses in the pig pens and let them go to work. Do it before Christmas so you can have a nice plump Muslim ham for dinner

        • Jay Boo says

          Oct 22, 2015 at 9:41 am

          corpses ????

          Don’t you pay attention Abdullah?
          Get off that high horse of smug sarcasm.
          Budvarakbar’s reference was to the despicable Koran.

        • Kepha says

          Oct 22, 2015 at 9:24 pm

          Yuck.

      • Abdullah says

        Oct 22, 2015 at 9:27 am

        We’ll get in your womenfolk somehow

  10. philip zhao says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 4:26 am

    The White House is also a White Mosque as long as Obama is in !

    • Abdullah says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 6:55 am

      I heard that the construction happening on the roof is actually preparation to build a minaret that will rival the Washington monument

      • Jay Boo says

        Oct 22, 2015 at 9:54 am

        Vultures need a high perch to air out to avoid suffocating from their own stink each time they belch up a belly full of Muhammad’s putrid verse as it rots their souls from the inside out.

        Yes, a minaret can temporarily distract from Islam’s shallowness.
        But eventually the gut wrenching awareness of Islam’s bitter emptiness always creeps back in.

  11. Bill Says says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 6:31 am

    Religious freedom, hooey, chopping heads off with a dull machete is not a religion any human should recognize as religious; and what happened to separation of church and state as there are schools in America forcing children to pray allegiance to Alaha and know the basics of Islam?

    YOU GO TRUMP, get the barbaric bastards out of here.

    PS and buy the way, Islam is not a religion, it’s a barbaric form of government cloaked in a barbaric religion that our government , lead by an Islam practicing Muslim is ushering in.

    • Oppressaphobe says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 7:51 am

      Very good point that Islam is not a religion, but a political system.

      Now watch them try to worm out of that fact–in fact didn’t I hear an Imam say that Islam and politics should be separate? I thought, wow that is strange. But that would be cover for them when the countries they are terrorizing actually decide to defend themselves and go into the mosques.

      Then they will say, Oh it’s religion, not politics, you can’t do that, religious freedom, etc.

      They are as sneaky as cockroaches, per their very own Koran.

      • ich says

        Oct 22, 2015 at 7:54 am

        Sneaky is the key word agreed

  12. Baucent says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 7:06 am

    Trump has raised and interesting question. If a mosque is promoting Jihad against the United States, and it is possible some are, then that would be sedition and possible treason. In those circumstances does the 1st Amendment provide protection? Trump wasn’t talking about all mosques but dealing with Jihad hotbeds.

    • Budvarakbar says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 9:20 am

      What do you mean – “some”?

  13. Oppressaphobe says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 7:42 am

    GO TRUMP!

    USA!!!

    GO TRUMP!

    USA!!!

    GO TRUMP!

    USA!!!

    IT’S O.K. TO GET EXCITED AMERICA. YOU ARE NOT THE BAD PEOPLE THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY YOU ARE.

    • Abdullah says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 8:44 am

      Don’t choke on your celery stick or soill your panties out of excitement my good Christian. You are a good person. Nice, big girl, nice.

      • Budvarakbar says

        Oct 22, 2015 at 9:21 am

        FU a$$hole

      • Oppressaphobe says

        Oct 22, 2015 at 10:58 pm

        First of all Ab*dull*ah, I’m NOT A GIRL.

        Second of al idiot, YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN AND MY OBJECTIVE WAS TO DRAW YOU OUT TO EXPOSE YOU.

        I’ve done a commendable job at that!

        You will not longer be on this website spewing your lies that you are any kind of a Christian at all.

        Exposing evil is the best thing anyone can do anywhere, anytime.

        You are a crude, crass individual, based on your post so why don’t you just go live your ugly life and leave the rest of us alone.

        • Abdullah says

          Oct 22, 2015 at 11:11 pm

          Darn! I could have sworn you were a fat woman. If I’m your enemy is your so called Christian self gonna pray for me or just curse me and wish me an awful life like the bloody hypocrites most alluy’allz is.

  14. ich says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 7:53 am

    I love JIHAD WATCH !
    I realize I am not alone in thinking the world is pandering to nut jobs.

    It seems the biggest enemy is the MSM.

    They connect more with the average num num who buries his head in the sand.

    We are all for freedom and good things.

    We just want Muslims to BEHAVE !!

    • Oppressaphobe says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 8:01 am

      And I just want my drunk relative to be sober! But it aint’ gonna happen until the TRUTH penetrates. Muslims believe in lies–anything that’s advances their agenda is sanctioned by their pedophile prophet.

      We have to keep standing up for our American values. We allowed them their space, but the truth is THEY DO NOT WANT US TO HAVE OUR SPACE IN OUR OWN COUNTRY.

  15. Dave says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 8:00 am

    No, they should put them on a container ship. Much cheaper to stuff 10 or 20 of them to a box.

    • christianblood says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 12:07 pm

      Americans should vote for Trump. He is the best in the GOP team!

      • eduardo odraude says

        Oct 22, 2015 at 12:29 pm

        Now Trump will be getting death threats by the truckload. Let’s see if he doesn’t backpedal when he discovers that.

    • Bukkdem Jizheads says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 3:56 pm

      Perhaps getting secret service protection gave him a license to address Islam. Trump: courage and a sense of humor! Everyone on JW should sign up to follow him on Twitter as a show of support for this statement.

  16. Angemon says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 8:04 am

    Varney, however, then pressed the 2016 Republican front-runner, asking again: “Can you close a mosque? I mean, we do have religious freedom.”

    “Well, I don’t know,” Trump responded in an apparent backpedal.

    That’s what happens when people speak without knowledge of cause.

    “I think we should have surveillance of mosques. I think we should be trying to find out what is going on in a mosque, find out if there’s activity in that mosque, where there’s weapons or conspiracy going on,” he added. “Then yes you can take action. But to be casually, the way Donald Trump seems, to be talking about shutting down mosques? No.”…

    As I’ve stated before, this is the correct approach: you find out what’s going on and act accordingly.

    • Angemon says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 8:52 am

      Hmmm, for whatever reason (probably an unfortunate brush of my palm on my laptop’s touchpad) the first part of my comment got deleted. Repost:

      Trump, discussing his strategy to fight ISIS during an interview on Fox Business Network, also said he would revoke the passports of U.S. citizens who have traveled abroad to fight for ISIS.

      “I would do that,” Trump said during a telephone interview after FBN host Jim Varney asked him if he would favor revoking passports and closing mosques. “Absolutely. I think it’s great.”

      “If you go out, you go fight for ISIS, you can’t come back.

      Indeed, this is just common sense, and I’ve been saying this for over a year now – joining ISIS means pledging allegiance to an entity at war with the US (or any other Western nation), and it should be grounds for the stripping of citizenship. Or grounds for a trail for treason. Any will do.

  17. el cid says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 8:15 am

    Kudos once again to trump for stimulating this argument in the public forum.

    The process is far more important than the content. The outcome is that the leaders in the race will need to acknowledge that mosques are potential security

    What is H. Clinton going to say in response to this?

    It would be wonderful for CAIR to debate Trump in an interview. He draws millions of viewers many of whom would learn about CAIR and their agenda for the first time.

  18. Andrew Sapia says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 8:54 am

    There is precedent with the Mormons, they taught Polygamy and were denied statehood, and had to refute a major tenant of their religion in order to get admitted into the union. Do these Mosques preach polygamy? Not only that, like Ben Carson called for a loss of Tax exemption for involving its self in an election. One must also remember that all of the rights in the Bill of Rights are subject to the clear and present danger, or used to be until they changed it to a compelling state interest. Many of these mosques are a clear and present danger as well as there being a compelling state interest.

    • Budvarakbar says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 9:54 am

      When did the Mormons ever forcibly convert others to their ‘religion’?, or kill apostates?, or ordain the killing of Jews and Christians and any other “non-believers” or practice abject treason against the US?, — where in the Book of Mormon does it COMMAND followers to do the foregoing practices and to enslave people? What in the Book of Mormon is juxtaposed to the US Constitution?

  19. Ramon says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 8:58 am

    Mr. Trump, what you said was music to my ears…you go, sir!

    I will vote for you…! It is time that the people learn about the truth of Islam…I was shocked when I started reading their Islamic :holy books”…

    How can so many people be duped into this evil “religion’…just declare it to be a non-religion, and then the rest should follow…ask them to convert out of islam, or they get deported…presto!

  20. Jaladhi says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 9:39 am

    All mosques should be shut down as these are jihad centers and brain wash all Muslims to commit terror here and all over!1

    • voegelinian says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 1:02 pm

      Indeed. The West needs to begin to cultivate Zero Tolerance of Islam. The only place, the most logical space, where such a disposition is to begin to be cultivated, is here in this preciously small, beleaguered, still disorganized canaries-in-a-coalmine collection of individuals and groups known informally as “the Counter-Jihad”. But part of that disorganization is an incoherence of message, of platform, with many degrees of Sottness that have the effect of blunting such a cultivation in the war of ideas. Thus, to push the meme — “Close down all mosques!” (then adumbrate the 1,001 reasons why it makes screamingly reasonable sense to do so) — is not to be actually doing the policy or even expecting it to happen tomorrow (as many obtuse Softies in the Counter-Jihad would suppose when they are balking with mouths (and heads) full of anxiously consternated marshmallows): it is to begin the process of sociopolitical change, which in relatively free and healthy societies (like ours) always begins with the people learning, becoming aware, educating themselves, changing their minds, becoming concerned, and moving out from that to try to wake up their fellow citizens to help change policy. This process is as fast – or as slow – as the people want it to be. It’s going to be slower if even the still small, but slowly growing, nucleus of the change has internal wafflers in various ways putting the brakes on the entelechy of the concern. (It seems, however, that the Softies have a different entelechy in mind, though they’ll never explain exactly what it is – some kind of modus vivendi with millions of Muslims continuing to leave peaceably in our midst into the indefinite future…?)

      • Wellington says

        Oct 22, 2015 at 6:01 pm

        Step #1, voegelinian, has to be Islam no longer being looked upon by the vast majority of non-Muslims in America, or in any Western country for that matter, as anything even remotely positive, including by most of the elites. After that, reasonable minds (which might even include yours) can differ on what steps to take next, but until this “corner of corners” is turned, it’s mostly high theory and nothing more.

        Now, there are many here at JW who don’t agree with your idea of mass deportation (including me), but even assuming you are right about this matter there are a multitude here at JW who are in full agreement with you that Islam is something iniquitous. Referring back to step #1, the main job among people like you, gravenimage, Angemon, moritimer, Champ, Arthur, Western Canadian, Mirren, dda, et al. is to spread this strategic message. After that, tactics among us can be debated. Until then (and even beyond) I would argue that dissension among us “cognoscenti” should be kept to a minimum. Here you have not done this.

        • Kepha says

          Oct 22, 2015 at 9:28 pm

          Nat Hentoff once griped about the Left and Right trying to censor each other. Shrillary Shrooo’s attempt to blame the inflamation of the Islamic Street on our Freedom of Speech ought to be a wakeup call to heed Hentoff’s gripe.

          If the Jackass party can be dethroned this time, careful enforcement of the Free Speech, Free Press, and Free Exercise clauses should be part of a GOP agenda. Sure, the Muslims will get obnoxious–but then they can be countered by Christians and anyone esle.

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 22, 2015 at 10:28 pm

          ” Sure, the Muslims will get obnoxious–but then they can be countered by Christians and anyone esle.”

          The problem is not that Muslims will get obnoxious; the problem is that they are killing us and devising ways to kill us horrifically, worse than 911.

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 23, 2015 at 10:49 am

          “Step #1, voegelinian, has to be Islam no longer being looked upon by the vast majority of non-Muslims in America, or in any Western country for that matter, as anything even remotely positive…”

          1) why do you think I don’t agree with this?

          2) how do the memes I’m pushing interfere with (or contradict) this — or vice versa?

          3) “Islam no longer being looked upon by the vast majority of non-Muslims in America, or in any Western country for that matter, as anything even remotely positive…” So why do I get flack on Jihad Watch for spotting places in the rhetoric of commenters here which are in fact, “remotely positive” about Muslims?

        • Angemon says

          Oct 23, 2015 at 5:54 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “1) why do you think I don’t agree with this?”

          Because you go out of your way to deride and ridicule people who follow that line of thinking.

          “2) how do the memes I’m pushing interfere with (or contradict) this — or vice versa?”

          Is any of “memes” you’re trying to “push” centered around the idea of letting the average Joe on the street know what islam has in store for them? Or are you, as you’ve stated many times before, just hoping to repeat a slogan over and over, hoping people will magically repeat it as well? There’s no “education about islam” in “total deportation”. In fact, your idea of “total deportation” is seditious and anti-constitutional, as you’ve been explained many times, and would in fact work against the CJ movement, since muslims and islamic apologists could reduce any genuine critic of islam to your crackpot ideas, much like Ibrahim Hooper has done with the comment of someone here who talked about killing all muslims.

          “3) “Islam no longer being looked upon by the vast majority of non-Muslims in America, or in any Western country for that matter, as anything even remotely positive…” So why do I get flack on Jihad Watch for spotting places in the rhetoric of commenters here which are in fact, “remotely positive” about Muslims?”

          Don’t think your sleight-of-hand went unnoticed, since it’s the same sleight-of-hand we see in muslims and islamic apologists: we say “islam”, they say “muslims”

          Anyway, what you’re claiming is not what happens. You accuse those who disagree with you of “defending muslims” by disagreeing with you. You act like a tin-pot dictator and you’re flabbergasted because *gasp* people have the unmitigated gall to talk back at you. Worse, they go as far as question your judgment. Talking back at you? Questioning you? No, sir-e, can’t have that – those unwashed, mouth-breathing ignoramuses, those, as you recently stated, “fucktards” must be punished for their arrogance. And since you can’t tar and feather them, or make them go on a naked walk – not only because this is an on-line medium but also because people here are not tripping over one another to do your bidding (another sign that they’re unworthy to be taken seriously, right?) – you go out of your way to try and make no one sides with them. Turn on the propaganda machine, pick targets, spread lies.

          tl;dr: you get “flack” because you’re shitty to everyone who’s not a total sycophant while trying to pass yourself as someone clever who understands everything better than we do instead of simply being a decent human being with something of value to say.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 23, 2015 at 12:10 pm

          ” So why do I get flack on Jihad Watch for spotting places in the rhetoric of commenters here which are in fact, “remotely positive” about Muslims?”

          Because that’s *not* what you do.

          What you do is excoriate, insult, defame, tell people what they should say, and how they should say it. According to you, anyone who disagrees with you is attacking you, anyone who asks you to explain what you’ve said is pestering you, and anything less than 100% agreement with the gospel according to voegelinian makes that person a fucktard. Have you forgotten so soon how you insulted everybody here ?

          Then to crown all, you actually get someone from *another* blog to come here and help you in the job of alienating and insulting anyone who asks you to explain yourself, or disagrees with you.

          With the result we now have to put up with that tedious twerp ‘Godless’ gobbling bandwidth and saying nothing except adulating you, and attacking Angemon. Unless of course, ‘Godless’ is actually yourself.

          I’ve asked you several times now, do you actually *do* anything, yourself, to push your meme, or change the zeitgeist; you know, like writing letters, emails, getting up petitions, dropping leaflets etc, but you never answered me. Perhaps you *do* do these things, but it seems you spend more of your time attacking and insulting people here, doing the same on your own blog, and then enlisting someone else from another blog to come here and act as your echo.

          And you have the damned brass neck to complain about getting *flak* ?? Your egotism appears to be monumental.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 24, 2015 at 7:38 am

          Mirren10 posted:

          “Because that’s *not* what you do.”

          Indeed, and I bet it takes him more time and effort to try to convince people he acts in a certain way than it would take him to actually act in that way.

  21. TH says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 10:55 am

    The U.S. has some small islands in the Pacific. A deterntion center could be established in one of them and the jihadis forced to work for their bread and kept there for the rest of their lives.

  22. voegelinian says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    “Trump: If elected, I would shut down certain U.S. mosques”

    Yes, Mr. Trump — only go after “certain” mosques, and give the rest a pass. We know that only “certain” Muslims are the problem, not the vast majority.

    • Jay Boo says

      Oct 23, 2015 at 12:23 pm

      Be realistic voegelinian,
      What would you suggest Trump say?
      Even if he believes that all mosques be shut down, he could never get away with saying that without the MSM and all other defenders of Islam spinning out slanderous sound bites and daily defamation until his comments become considered irrelevant.

  23. Milt W. says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 12:51 pm

    Start by declaring CAIR as a terrorist front.

    Declare all cults as dangerous mind control organizations.

    Then

    Declare islam a cult which it is much more than any religion.

  24. BC says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 1:17 pm

    Any mosque or any kind religious institution that fosters or preaches the destruction of the USA is in itself in violation of the constitution.
    Teaching and preaching sedition is not freedom of religion

  25. Dave J says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 1:27 pm

    Any criticism of Islam predictably elicits the “but we’re a Religion and you have Freedom of Religion” defense. The sneaky backdoor they use to plot our downfall.

    Firstly, no you are not a religion, you are a criminal conspiracy with atrocious and supremacist goals.

    Secondly, even if you were a religion it is still illegal to preach hatred, murder and the overthrow of a legitimate government.

    Name the enemy, ban the ideology, shut down the mosques and deport all who are unwilling to pledge allegiance to Democracy and the Golden Rule. And keep a close eye on even them as they LIE so easily.

    • Wellington says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 8:49 pm

      Not a good strategy, Dave J. Islam is most certainly a religion. So is Satanism. I mean where is it written that a religion can’t be evil? Robert Spencer has been consistent on this point, as I have. Arguing that Islam is not a religion is a non-starter. It’s just time wasted.

      Second, it is not illegal in America to “preach hatred, murder and the overthrow of a legitimate government.” Marxists do this to this day and silly American Nazis did it formerly (Neo-Nazis still do) and they have a right to under the First Amendment. Many other kinds of hatred are also allowable under the Constitution, for instance what the KKK preaches.

      What is not allowable, and I wish more people would get this like you, is ACTING upon many heinous beliefs. I mean if you’re a complete rube and want to curse Jews or blacks, you have a right to do so under the First Amendment. What you don’t have a right to do is to act upon such beliefs by using violence. In short, belief is sacrosanct, action is not. This would not include specific death threats, which the First Amendment does not protect, just as it does not protect falsely crying “fire” in a crowded theater, but in general belief, and belief publicly stated, is protected speech under the First Amendment (e.g., a Muslim very publically stating here in America that Sharia should replace the Constitution as the law of the land), Get this, will ya’.

    • Jay Boo says

      Oct 23, 2015 at 12:31 pm

      Islam — religion in name only
      Islam is so rotted to the core inside that Muslims use the guise of religion as an ornate decoration to hide the immense stink.
      If Islam were not so overwhelmingly filthy, Muslims would not need to pray five times a day just to keep its stench at bay.

  26. Abdullah says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    Does anyone else here think Trump looks like a blow up sex doll with his mouth like that? I’d like to stick a minaret or two down that throat.

    • Jay Boo says

      Oct 23, 2015 at 12:34 pm

      He is not nearly as grotesque as Head-Bump Hillary.

  27. jack says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 5:05 pm

    Don’t shut down the Mosques, revoke their tax free status, that’ll do the trick, and while you are at it to maintain equality, revoke it for every church in America.

  28. Edward says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    Angola has banned Islam:

    “The Angolan government does not legally recognize any Muslim organizations and often shuts down mosques or prevents their construction.”

    Since 2013……without any serious repercussions from their U.S. Department of State estimates of the Muslim population of 80,000–90,000.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angola#Religion

    • Edward says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 5:45 pm

      Hmm, you know it wouldn’t be a bad idea to shutdown those incubators of hate and their destruction planning centers here in the US too!

      • Abdullah says

        Oct 22, 2015 at 7:03 pm

        Hmmm…that’s an idea maybe we should expel all y’all to Angola

        • Edward says

          Oct 22, 2015 at 9:50 pm

          “Hmmm…that’s an idea maybe we should expel all y’all to Angola”

          As an eighth generation Texan I’m here to stay! My folks built the Alamo Mission years before the battle of!

          Abdullah, why don’t you make a quick about face where you came from and return there……. you fool!

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 22, 2015 at 11:05 pm

      Edward, the idea that Angola has banned Islam is a myth–it has been debunked here many times.

      “Angola denies it banned Islam, destroyed mosques”

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/11/angola-denies-it-banned-islam-destroyed-mosques

  29. Agent of Liberty says

    Oct 22, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    Someone needs to explain to Trump that the whole of islam is incompatible with the constitution. So they all need to be shut down and Islamic theocracy/ideology is not legal in the United States.
    Robert Spencer has to have a long fire side chat with the Donald to educate him on islam. An advisor.

  30. robert says

    Oct 23, 2015 at 12:36 am

    This is not a complicated issue and no one and especially Donald Trump is saying flat out ” we are going to shut down mosques” He said ” certain mosques “, meaning any mosque that preaches or has programs dedicated to the destruction of our country, our history, our norms and religious foundation based on judeo christian principles.There can be no allowance under any circumstances for the teaching of or practice of shariah law, if ,as I understand it, allows male citizens to treat women and children as less than equals . there can be no beating or killing of family members for any reason. They cannot be forbidden to work if they want or leave their religion behind and change if they want,just like any american citizen of any faith in this country has a right too do. We eat all kindes of foods. if you don’t for some reason that’s ok with us ,but don’t suggest we change anything for your sake . You have a right to demonstrate peacefully as all of us do as long as you don’t violate any other citizens right in doing so. We are not telling Muslims they must join any of our religions . practice as you wish but you must allow everyone else to do as they want whether you like it or not. This is what America is all about . So, as long as you are willing to live and let live, which is our way , you are welcome .If you’re not than we have airports where you can puchase tickets to fly to your new homes where ever that may be. We welcome all cultures but do not recgnize any as superior to any other . We are friendly people for the most part and feel free to greet and talk to anyone in public .This country is full of our culture. If anything about it bothers you ,live with it ,as we all do or leave. it’s your choice . It’s AMERICA. Rob 423

  31. Dacritic says

    Oct 23, 2015 at 1:31 am

    I’d shut down Islam if I was elected.

  32. Jeremiah says

    Oct 23, 2015 at 5:08 am

    Islam is not a religion. We have assumed too much. They should be closed down and tax exempt status should be retroactively withdrawn and paid from the sale of Mosques.

    Religions are assumed to have a foundation of equal rights, consideration of other human beings, including the protection of women and children. Islam is the opposite in every way. Islam is the Koran. The Koran is evidenced by sharia law. Christians have no legal standing under sharia,

    Trump is wrong. He should not close down some Mosques, he should close all of them and ban the preaching of hate from the pulpits. Preaching while brandishing a knife qualifies as hate speech.

    This post is not islamophobic! It is the truth.

  33. Darian Counts says

    Oct 23, 2015 at 9:35 am

    This is reason #5012 as to why Trump will never be president…

  34. Michael says

    Oct 29, 2015 at 8:50 am

    There are Mosques here in Australia that the government and security services know should be shut down but they haven’t got the guts to do so

  35. Michael says

    Oct 29, 2015 at 11:58 am

    “Donald Trump’s apparent willingness to close down American mosques that he deems ‘extreme’ is totally incompatible with the Constitution and our nation’s cherished principle of religious freedom,” said CAIR Government Affairs Department Manager Robert McCaw. The question has to be asked whose side are these people on ?

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