Ahmed admitted to supporting the Islamic State. He told one police officer, “I will kill you like an Israeli. If I get the chance I will behead one of the police.” He had a cache of brutal and bloody Islamic State videos. “But after watching the videos, judge Michael Topolski QC said: ‘Many of them are deeply disturbing, truly horrifying and bear no relation whatsoever to the true practices and principles of the ancient venerable religion.'” How does Topolski know this? It is unlikely in the extreme that he has ever read the Qur’an or studied the life of Muhammad. He just knows what opinions are acceptable for a British judge to hold these days, and so he holds them.
The thing is, Topolski’s view, which is the prevailing view, is actively harmful to Britain’s future. Topolski no doubt thinks of Atiq Ahmed as an anomaly, a victim of the twisted and hijacked nothing-to-do-with-Islam version of Islam that is so curiously attractive to so many Muslims worldwide. Having dismissed Ahmed’s views as un-Islamic, he appears not to consider at all how many more Atiq Ahmeds there may be out there in Britain, and what should be done about it. He will just deal with each anomaly in turn as they present themselves in his courtroom.
“ISIS supporter who threatened to behead a police officer when his stash of ‘grotesque’ execution videos was uncovered is jailed for two-and-a-half years,” by Anthony Joseph, MailOnline, October 30, 2015:
An Isis supporter threatened to behead a police officer when his stash of ‘grotesque’ execution videos was uncovered.
Atiq Ahmed, 32, from Oldham, Greater Manchester, had pleaded guilty to two counts of dissemination of a terrorist publication by posting links to disturbing IS propaganda videos, one of which was viewed on YouTube more than 37,000 times.
Ahead of his sentencing, where he was jailed for two-and-a-half years, the Old Bailey heard how his family had raised concerns in March this year, fearing he was a danger to society, citing his violent behaviour, mental health problems and solvent abuse.
They told police he would ‘talk constantly’ about Isis and watch their videos on his laptop and mobile phone.
When police were called to a domestic incident at his home in Copster Hill Road, Ahmed told them: ‘Now you are here I am going to raise the black banner, the IS flag will fly. I will not let you live.’
As he was being handcuffed, he threatened one officer, saying: ‘I will kill you like an Israeli. If I get the chance I will behead one of the police.’
He was sectioned under the Mental Health Act, but when he was deemed fit for interview he admitted to police that a mobile phone, laptop and memory card storing a number of Isis videos were his.
Ahmed, a Sunni Muslim, said that he had downloaded them for ‘research, study and understanding what is going on’, the court heard.
While he supported Islamic State, he said that he did not plan to join them and wanted to live peacefully in the UK.
He stopped using Facebook because his posts kept being deleted as they did not like what he had to say.
Prosecutor Steven Gray told the court that he had posted links to two graphic videos on his Google+ account and discussed sharing violent jihadist videos with an Arabic man on Google Hangouts.
The first video which had been viewed 260 times showed a beheading, IS militants shooting a soldier, and the execution of hostages set to chanting in praise of Jihad.
The second video which also showed IS militants was viewed a total of 37,467 times on YouTube, the court heard.
Ahmed’s collection of shocking videos of executions and beheadings included one featuring Jihadi John posing with the severed head of an American citizen threatening to bring violence to the streets of the United Stated and UK.
Mr Gray told the court that Ahmed had been convicted 18 times before for a total of 30 offences, which included assaulting a police constable.
In one racially aggravated outburst at an officer, he had said: ‘You white mother f*****s, my boys will chop your heads off.’
In mitigation, Andrew Selby said the guilty pleas were made on the basis he was ‘reckless’ when he posted the links.
He argued that while there was no doubt the material was ‘grotesque, brutal, graphic and vivid’, it reflected real events in places around the world.
But after watching the videos, judge Michael Topolski QC said: ‘Many of them are deeply disturbing, truly horrifying and bear no relation whatsoever to the true practices and principles of the ancient venerable religion.
‘None of it can sensibly be said to serve any legitimate or useful purpose. To make any of it readily available is an indication that this defendant does indeed support Isis.’
Ahmed, who has been diagnosed with mental illness, became agitated and began to ramble incoherently in the dock so had to be removed from court before the judge concluded his sentencing remarks.

jihad3tracker says
Does anyone else here think that this judge may be hoping that by asserting no connection to the “true practices” of Islam, he is somehow preventing or at least postponing more British Muslims from becoming jihadis ?
خَليفة says
Absolutely.
But this type of reverse psychology tactic has the opposite effect – it tells Muslims:
1) the taqiya is working
2) we are superior, they don’t detect our deception
3) they are fearful of us
4) keep up the jihad in all forms
Projecting Western values onto Muslims is always a mistake.
ECAW says
“…and began to ramble incoherently”.
That makes two of them then.
EYESOPEN says
Yep.
George S. says
… judge Michael Topolski QC said: ‘Many of them are deeply disturbing, …..and bear no relation whatsoever to the true practices and principles of the ancient venerable religion.”
Venerable?????? Has this QC Judge ever read the Cowran, or examined the Hadiths or Shura? To refer to the Death Cult as venerable is the height of ignorance and PC mindedness. I just hope that when the UK finally wakes up to the evil aims of the Death Cult that this ignorant QC gets his comeuppance from the indigenous people of the UK.
I spit on him.
Charli Main says
It could be said in mitigation, that Atiq Ahmed is insane, a common affliction suffered by the Allah Akbar brigade exposed to Koran-o-mania since birth, but I can´t find any mitigating circumstances to explain the insanity of Judge Michael Topolski.
mahghan says
You have illustrious company about the madness of Islam.
Mark Twain:
“That is a simple rule and easy to remember. When I a thoughtful and unblessed Presbyterian, examine the Qur’an, I know that beyond any question EVERY Mohammedan is INSANE, not in all things but in religious matters.”
Lookmann says
Only God knows the way the Judiciary works. You Can’t understand or criticize them !
Try to explain and you’re threatened with ‘contempt of court’ charges.
Another baffling observation
”Sympathizing with Islamists is not a crime, German court rules”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/27/us-germany-islamist-court-idUSKCN0SL26S20151027
خَليفة says
One should ALWAYS be allowed to criticize ANYTHING. NOTHING, not even God, is above criticism.
Any one of faith that ever wonders “Why me?” Is being critical of God. Someone at a store who buy this shirt instead of that one is being critical. There are degrees of “critical” thinking.
The one thing you can be sure of, if you loose your right/ability to be critical, you have lost a freedom – AND someone else is doing the thinking for you.
Muslims are not taught to be critical thinkers, they are taught to “be faithful” and not question. You can find numerous articles about this – and references in the Quran and Hadith. Muhammed was illiterate and is the epitome of what it is to be a “good” Muslim, his statements show his lacking in critical thinking – an educated, thinking man is a”bad” Muslim, an illiterate, unquestioning “slave” is a “good” Muslim, just like Mohammed. It is no wonder so many Muslims are willing to blow themselves up, and how difficult it is to reason with Muslims. Ther is numerous studies on brainwashing – Muslim education has a lot of similarities…
Germany as we knew it is doomed…
nicu says
European leaders are bribed by saudi Arabia it seems !
Read Hamed – Abdel samad book about Mohamed !
Angemon says
Man, look at that pic – the poster child for “Why inbreeding is bad”.
Why, is there any reason to think he’s mentally ill?
Pfffft. That would make him a heretic on the eyes of ISIS. Would anyone believe if a white supremacist said “I support Adolph Hitler and the KKK but I have no intention of moving to the US or German, I want to live peacefully in Africa”?
On the basis he was “reckless” when he shared the videos – meaning he’s sorry only because he was caught.
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Huh, so what?
Me thinks the Honorable Judge Topolski should stick to what he studied for years and is being paid for to do: enforcing the rule of law. Whatever he thinks he knows about islam – and he knows nothing – is irrelevant for this particular case.
Tight reasoning, IMO.
Let me guess: he didn’t like being told about islam by an ignorant kuffar and made his feelings known.
خَليفة says
Islam: Lowering IQs for 1400 years
#NukeMecca
Westman says
“..bear no relation whatsoever to the true practices and principles of the ancient venerable religion.” – judge Michael Topolski
Are the Israelis ever going to be relieved! The “venerable” religion has been misunderstood. The knifings will stop just as soon as the Imams explain that Allah loves Jews, the apes and pigs stuff was just a joke, and that they are also the “best of people”. Just wait for it.
Judi says
A tried and trusted excuse for these inbreds is to plead”mental illness”. This seems to absolve them from any deed or threat they make. No doubt he will be given psychiatric help in prison, along with three halal meals a day, a nice new prayer mat and a koran to help him pass the time away. Then, after he’s served his sentence, they will pronounce him “cured” and he’ll be free to roam the streets of Manchester again.
Doncha just love happy endings!
Marty says
In the UK even allegedly “right wing” papers like the left’s bete noir,
The Daily Mail, are celebrating the return of an islamist terrorist from Gitmo.
The UK government is going to give him One Million Pounds for his hurt feelings.
I give him three years before he’s with IS & with his whole family.
Raja says
Marty,
There is so much insanity going on around us that we should not be dejected or disheartened. It was predicted in the bible that these would happen in the last days(last age of 2000 years running)
2 Timothy chapter 3, Verse 1 to 4:
1.But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
Westman says
“And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his brethren.” Genesis(16:12)
Too many apples have fallen close to the tree.
Raja says
A judge is supposed to apply the law and DELIVER JUSTICE. is he not supposed to have his heart and mind in the right place? He should be more mature and respect truth and anything about the truth.
This guy is just towing the government line and the overall political climate and culture.
As a foreigner I think I have the privilege to criticize him for his immature mind as they cannot charge me for contempt of court nor can they airlift me to the gutters of “middle east” which I detest !!!!!!!!!
mortimer says
The POLITICALLY CORRECT OPINIONS of Judge Topolski are not fact-based. He is guessing. That is not intellectual enough for a judge.
Robert Spencer is correct: “How does Topolski know this? It is unlikely in the extreme that he has ever read the Qur’an or studied the life of Muhammad.”
Without reading AND studying the ORIGINAL SOURCE TEXTS of Islam, NO-ONE is qualified, prepared or informed enough to make any comment about Islam….except for ‘I DON’T KNOW’.
The LIFE OF MOHAMMED, the KORAN and SHARIA LAW ARE ISLAM.
You would think a learned judge would consider what SHARIA LAW says about beheading!
TheOldOligarch says
”He just knows what opinions are acceptable for a British judge to hold these days, and so he holds them.”
Gold.
mortimer says
Message to Judge Topolski: “Hello! Sharia law has SOMETHING to do with Islam.”
During the development of Islamic Law or Sharia, the majority of scholars supported beheading as a valid form of punishment within Islam. Influential medieval Muslim scholars such as Al-Zamakhshari and Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari considered beheading to be sanctioned by God as the punishment for unbelievers and blasphemous Muslims.
Currently Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world which uses decapitation within its Islamic legal system, though it also a legal form of punishment in Iran, Qatar and Yemen. Numerous non-state actors, including Islamic organisations such as ISIL, Al Qaeda and other Jihadist groups use or have used beheading as a punishment.
Beheading is a legal form of execution in Iran, Qatar and Yemen, but the punishment has been suspended in those countries. The majority of executions carried out by the Wahhabi government of Saudi Arabia are public beheadings, which usually cause mass gatherings but are not allowed to be photographed or filmed.
Once again, I repeat that Caliph al Baghdadi received his PhD in Islamic studies and was said by his professors to have a greater understanding of what Islam teaches than his teacher!
Al-Baghdadi knows more about Islam than a British judge.
Michael Copeland says
Memo to Judge Topolski:
“Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. There were 600 or 700 in all … .”
Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Mohammed
gordon miller says
Boy, that’s sure peaceful-sounding to me. What’s the big deal?
mortimer says
Numerous occasions of beheadings by Muslims of non-Muslims have been recorded throughout Islamic history. Especially among the Ottoman military, who routinely decapitated captive enemies or those unwilling to convert to Islam.
-After the Battle of Zallaqa in 1086, 24,000 corpses of defeated Castilian soldiers were beheaded “and piled them up to make a sort of minaret for the muezzins who, standing on the piles of headless cadavers, sang the praises of Allah.” The Almohads routinely beheaded Christian enemies after any lost battles.
-Following the Battle of Kosovo in 1389, the Muslim army beheaded the Serbian king and many Christian prisoners.
-Saladin personally beheaded Raynald of Châtillon, a knight who served in the Second Crusade after the Battle of Hattin.
-In 1398, in the city of Isfahan, Tamerlane ordered several pyramids to be built each made up of 40,000 human skulls from those that his army had beheaded, and a pyramid of some 20,000 skulls was erected outside Aleppo.
-Following the Battle of Varna in 1444, the Ottomans beheaded King Ladislaus of Hungary.
-Following the Fall of Constantinople, the Ottomans sent the head of the dead Byzantine emperor to major cities in the sultanate.
-In 1463, the Grand Mufti of the Ottoman Empire personally decapitated King Stephen of Bosnia and his sons after their surrender.
-Forces of the Ottoman Empire invaded and laid siege to the city of Otranto and its citadel. After capture, more than 800 of its inhabitants – who refused to convert to Islam – were beheaded.
-In 1526 2,000 Hungarian prisoners of war were beheaded by the Ottoman army.
-In 1807 several hundred British prisoners of war who had been fighting in Egypt were decapitated.
Muhammad Ahmad declared himself Mahdi in 1880 and led Jihad against the Ottoman Empire and their British allies.
-The Mahdi and his followers beheaded opponents, Christian and Muslim alike including the British General Charles Gordon.
Charli Main says
On the subject of Saladin, there is an inordinate amount of bullshit sprouted about the “nobel” Saladin, the ” gentleman” Muslim warrior.
After the Battle of Hattin, that you refer to, all the Knights of the Holy Orders were stripped naked and dragged in chains to be beheaded before a baying Muslim mob, on the orders of Saladin.
After the Battle of Jacob´s Ford in 1179 the ” nobel ” Saladin ordered the beheading of the several thousand soldiers and civilians that had surrendered, their bodies then flung into a pit, like so much garbage.
No Fear says
Me: “Mohammed killed Jews by beheading them”
Muslim: “I don’t believe that”
Me: “His earliest biography says so”
Muslim: “That was written by a Jew and it is a lie”
Me: “So Jews are untrustworthy?”
Muslim: “Yes”
Me: “If I wanted to read about the Nazis I would trust a Jew’s word over a stormtrooper”
Muslim: “So you are saying that Mohammed did behead Jews”
Me: “I believe so”
Muslim: “You should have your head chopped for insulting our prophet”
(a verbal discussion I had with a Mohammedan)
gerard says
You can’t win an argument with the Devil.
Mark Spahn says
As pointed out by Angemon, the photograph of this Manchester Man is reminiscent of the head of Piltdown Man. The picture here cuts off his forehead and neck, but for a better view, click on over to the photograph in the Daily Mail. The fact that his neck is as wide as his skull (hi there, Raymond Ibrahim!) indicates athleticism, but his general head-shape and protruding ears lend credence to the physiognomy theories of the Italian criminologist Cesare Lombroso (1835-1909); see
http://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/history/museum/exhibitions/suspicious-looking-19th-century-mug-shots/physiognomy-photography-criminal-look
Confirmation of criminal tendencies can be provided by a phrenological examination.
The lesions on his forehead look more acne-like than zebibah-like, but in compensation, the zebibah on his nose is magnificent. This Manchester Man will make a perfect poster-boy advocating for the rights of the ugly.
As for the judge, let’s search for an aya or hadith that says that the opinions of an infidel judge take precedence over any aya or hadith. The closest such passage I can find is Sahih Bukhari 1:11:664, “Listen and obey (your chief) even if he is an Ethiopian with a head like a raisin [=zebibah].” This passage even makes a link to prayer-bumps. Mere coincidence?
Nathan james says
The first think I thought reading the headline is why is this making this statement about Islam, when he isn’t an Islamic scholar. So how the fuck does he know if Islam condemns or condones this behaviour.
Jayell says
What did that judge say? Islam is an ‘ancient, venerable religion’? Well, it’s ‘ancient’ alright, but he’s clearly talking out of the back of his neck with the rest of it. I think most people over here would have echoed this judge’s sentiments up to about 20 or so years ago, since which time the rest of us have been doing our homework. Perhaps this judge needs to do his, or stop kowtowing to the ‘party line’ and trying to fool himself and everyone else because it’s not working anymore.
Baucent says
So the question here is; did Islam drive him crazy or does Islam simply attract the crazy?
Carl Thomas says
I have read the coran and it incites to kill in many forms, but the educated and un-educated barbarians in ISIS invent other barbarisms and until Islam does not sit down like Christians and Jews did before and purify their vengeful Gods and texts. These barbaric and idiotic actions will continue. God doesn’t order any religions invented by man. All religions begin with barbaric gods,invented by uneducated fools. Once they purify their religions, by pacifying their gods, they live peaceful lives and God is happy.
UNCLE VLADDI says
ISLAM CAN NOT BE REFORMED – and here’s how and why:
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/americanthinker/time_to_fight_back_in_the_holy_war_of_islamism/#comment-2328568521
;-(
Beyond all that, the Qur’an clearly and specifically tells muslims the Bible is wrong and also that all Christians and Jews are infidel criminals who worship a false god, and who must therefore be extorted, enslaved, and murdered for their “crime” of not being muslims:
Sura (Chapter) 47:1-4 of the Qur’an:
1: non-muslims are bad, (allegedly because they insult allah by dividing his nature*);
2: muslims are good, (allegedly because to them allah is the cause of everything*);
3: Allah made them both like that;
4: So muslims should chop off the non-muslims’ heads.
(“Allah could have done it himself, but he wants you muslims to do it for him”).
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It’s all right there, in context: islamic violence is entirely general doctrine-driven, and not at all specific grievance-driven. (Don’t go looking for what actions of yours may have offended or provoked them; they have been taught from birth that your existence alone offends their god, and so should offend them).
(And chapter 47 isn’t by any stretch even remotely the worst, most violent chapter; that honor goes to either chapter 8 or 9).
*[Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers! (3:151)].
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So, if and when you consider islam to be a religion, you must agree with it’s main tenet: that God is a violent murderer who wants his muslim tribe to violently conquer the world by extorting, enslaving, and murdering all the non-muslim humans, right?
At WORST, all REAL religions only say:
“Obey our silly rules, or GOD (/’the gods’) will get you!”
…but ONLY islam says:
“Obey our silly rules, or WE will get you (‘for god’)!”
A forced ‘Faith!’ ISN’T a “Faith!” at all – it’s only extortion, and extortion is always a CRIME.
Bottom line: Muslims must be told straight out, unequivocally: “If you decide to believe in “allah,” you have declared yourself a criminal, and so must be arrested, indicted, tried and convicted. Your confession of “faith” in your crime-god will help us to do so.”
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Further, here are some more teachings from the Koran, “valid from eternity to eternity”:
“Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers.” Koran (2:98).
“Allah does not love the unbelievers.” (30.45).
“And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy….” (8:60).
“Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.” (9:5).
“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him.” (3:85).
“Anyone trying to leave islam must be murdered for it.” (4:89).
There really is not any room for doubt.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Re: “judge Michael Topolski QC said: ‘Many of them are deeply disturbing, truly horrifying and bear no relation whatsoever to the true practices and principles of the ancient venerable religion.’ “How does Topolski know this? It is unlikely in the extreme that he has ever read the Qur’an or studied the life of Muhammad. He just knows what opinions are acceptable for a British judge to hold these days, and so he holds them.”
Any “Judge” who willfully ignores the evidence is criminally negligent and should be removed from the bench, then prosecuted for concealing the evidence of crimes, and for aiding abetting and enabling the criminals.
Dan Vegas says
If his statement had been made by the prosecution it would have been struck down as unsubstantiated and speculative. How can he come to such a conclusion, given the facts?