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UK: Muslims assault, harass, threaten, persecute family, drive them from their home, for converting to Christianity

Oct 3, 2015 12:22 pm By Robert Spencer

Nissar Hussain said: “Our lives have been sabotaged and this shouldn’t happen in the United Kingdom. We live in a free democratic society and what they are doing to us is abhorrent.”

Mr. Hussain, I’m sorry to say it, but you live in a shattered, staggering dhimmi society where terrified officials fear to act on your behalf for fear of offending your persecutors. Britain day’s as a free society are numbered, and the times when a non-Muslim could get police protection from Muslim persecutors there is long past.

Hussain “also criticised the Anglican Church for failing to provide any meaningful support.” No surprise there. Church leaders in the West, Catholic as well as Anglican, are unshakably committed to a meaningless and self-defeating “dialogue” with Muslim leaders that they pursue at all costs, actively working to silence those who speak honestly about the root causes of Muslim persecution of Christians for fear that such talk will harm the “dialogue.” The blood is on their hands.

Nissar Hussain and family

“Muslim family are driven from their home… after they converted to Christianity: Neighbours vandalise car and call them ‘blasphemers,'” by Chris Brooke, Daily Mail, October 2, 2015 (thanks to all who sent this in):

An Asian family who converted to Christianity claim they are being driven out of their home for the second time by Muslim persecutors.

Nissar Hussain, his wife Kubra and their six children said they have suffered an appalling ordeal at the hands of neighbours who regard them as blasphemers.

They claim they are effectively prisoners in their own home after being attacked in the street, having their car windscreens repeatedly smashed and eggs thrown at their windows.

Mr Hussain, 49, has even given up his career as a nurse due to the effect on his health.

Police have been called numerous times to deal with the trouble but are said to be reluctant to treat the problem as a religious hate crime.

Only one successful prosecution has been made, and Mr Hussain said he feels so let down by police he has lodged a complaint with the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

He also criticised the Anglican Church for failing to provide any meaningful support.

Now the family are likely to move from their home city of Bradford to a ‘white English’ area to escape the hate campaign.

‘Our lives have been sabotaged and this shouldn’t happen in the United Kingdom,’ said Mr Hussain.

‘We live in a free democratic society and what they are doing to us is abhorrent.’

The Daily Mail first reported the family’s ordeal in 2005 when they accused Muslims of a campaign of ethnic cleansing against them.

A year later they moved to a different part of Bradford to start again.

Neighbours welcomed them into the community and all was well until Mr Hussain took part in a Channel 4 Dispatches TV documentary about the mistreatment of Muslim converts, which was screened in 2008.

They were recognised by a large Muslim family of seven brothers and four sisters living on the same street and were immediately ostracised.

The younger children from both families attended the local Church of England primary school, where a majority of pupils were Muslims of Pakistani heritage, but car sharing trips were soon stopped by the other family.

Mr Hussain said ‘word was spread around the playground’ about them being Christian converts and their youngest daughter was bullied.

Youngest daughter Leena, now 14, was told by her friends ‘our parents say we mustn’t mix with you because you are a convert.’ Mr Hussain said: ‘She was heartbroken and made to feel like a second class citizen.’

Mr Hussain said his wife, 45, and children Issar, 23, Anniesa, 21, Sarah, 19, Miriam, 17, Leena and Isaaq, seven, have faced harassment and abuse on almost a daily basis.

The family were denounced as ‘apostates’ – a term used for those who renounce a religion for another – which in some hardline Islamic countries is punishable with death.

Flashpoints include an incident in March this year when Mr Hussain ended up grappling with a man who ‘threatened and confronted’ his wife.

Police were called and Mr Hussain was arrested and spent 12 hours in police cells before being released without charge.

Over the last year, Mr Hussain has had his car windscreen smashed six times at a cost of £5,000. His eldest son, a final year medical student, has also had his windscreen smashed.

A neighbour was convicted at Bradford Crown Court of a public order offence and bound over to keep the peace after one of Mr Hussain’s children recorded him on a mobile phone making threats in a furious rage in the street.

Mr Hussain insisted he has never been violent towards his tormentors but he was given a police caution for an incident last year when he lost his temper and made an abusive comment in response to a threat from the man.

Mr Hussain had worked as a hospital nurse but was diagnosed with depression and post-traumatic stress disorder and has been unable to work. He owns several properties and now lives off rental income.

Although their faith remains strong, Mr and Mrs Hussain no longer attend church. ‘We have given up on the Church of England, they have done nothing for us,’ said Mr Hussain.

A meeting, arranged by a friend, with a local imam – who ‘listened and promised to help’ – also led to nothing, said Mr Hussain….

What a surprise!

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Comments

  1. Jay Boo says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 12:37 pm

    Good evening Muslim world.
    What, no comment about Muhammad’s bigotry?
    Every university preaching coexistence should witness the filth ingrained within Islam.

    • cs says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 12:52 pm

      Don’t call too much, because mr. Rezali will turn up in his magic carpet and spread his usual rubbish talk.

      • Jay Boo says

        Oct 3, 2015 at 12:58 pm

        Rezali is a light weight Muslim sycophant who’s Persian ancestors would be deeply ashamed of the way he still grovels for approval to the clan of a Sunni cult.

  2. Ex-muslim says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 12:41 pm

    The big problem is that people in the UK or other places in Western Europe even the police will not understand the persecution and hate that are subjected to people who leave islam. I know many situations
    where this has happened to many people who left islam and sometimes it looks like the authorities
    who themselves in majority don’t like Christians are okay if ex-muslims and murdered or persecuted.
    This is a complex and a very difficult situation that ex-muslims face in the Western world.

    • t. says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 4:01 pm

      “Although their faith remains strong, Mr and Mrs Hussain no longer attend church. ‘We have given up on the Church of England, they have done nothing for us,’ said Mr Hussain”.

      I live in the west and where I live, there were and are similar cases like the case of this family.

      In the west these days, many churches and people who consider themselves to be Christians, and this is not a joke, are literally busy supporting and providing help to Muslim families, they have no time left to care or even think about the plight of really-persecuted Christians, anywhere in the world!

      I know a friend of some members of my family, who lives in California, US, who is helping two Muslim families financially while, to my knowledge not doing something similar to Christians in need. When I talked to him about that, he said that he can’t help every person in need and that he will simply remember the specific persecuted Christians, I talked to him about, in his prayers.

      Unfortunately this is a very widespread disease in the west, currently!

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 6:09 pm

      Kudos to you, Ex-muslim, for having had the courage to leave Islam.

      It is appalling that Muslim apostates are not receiving more support from Infidels in the West.

      Most Infidels fail to understand the terrible threat–including death–that Muslim apostates face.

      • Ex-muslim says

        Oct 3, 2015 at 7:28 pm

        Thank you. Let us hope millions more leave this evil cult and let us hope and pray that the whole world understands the fate of ex-muslims and other non-muslims who live under islam.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 7:31 pm

          Hear, hear!

        • Kepha says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 8:45 pm

          A lot of us Christians have been praying for an exodus from Islam for years now. Among Chinese brethren, there’s a movement called “back to Jerusalem”, which sees the God-given historical mission of the Chinese churches as carrying the Christian faith back across Asia from east to west. I confess to a certain amount of sympathy for this vision, and wish it all success.

          My heart goes out to the Nizar Hussain family. They got a whiff of the best that their adopted homeland had to offer, took it, and paid an unhappy consequence. However, my guess is that there are a lot of EmCeePeeCee types in academia, law, government, and media who, if they heard this story, would smugly think, “Serves them right for being un-authentic and betraying their non-colonialist tradition” (all while those same EmCeePeeCee types are hyper-betrayers of the best in the West).

    • eva says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 3:41 am

      Very true, looks like world leaders and normal class people hate christians and even those who go to church don’t care about persecuted christians. Uk want be islamic state like Saudi ,Pakistan that’s the true. In islam only accepted muslims as humans, rest of are nobody’s.

  3. Tiredofstupid says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    I hate to acknowledge it but I’m afraid England has gone the way of Sweden and unless the people rise up soon and throw out the political classes and reclaim their country we might as well start calling it Britainistan.

    • cs says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 12:54 pm

      in the comment session of the article there are 1700 comments and about 11000 thumbs up for the most popular. So people are well aware of what is going on. Or at least the level of awareness is raising fast.

    • DeMolay says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 2:42 pm

      Hopefully the family harassing these converts will now have a few visits of their own, reminding them of what’s acceptable within the UK.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 3, 2015 at 6:11 pm

        I’m afraid I really doubt it, DeMolay. And if patriotic British citizens *did* give these Muslim thugs a visit–even a completely peaceful one–it is likely that *they* would wind up on dhimmi police radar.

  4. Margita says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 1:01 pm

    My friend’s Muslim neighbours were threatened and had their car vandalized. A note was attached – cover up. Since that time the Muslim lady wears a scarf. Did they go to the police? No, they didn’t trust them and were worried about their children. This is in London where Anjem Choudary resides and lives off the Jihad Seekers Allowance. The place is called Ilford and it has undergone a total transformation. The majority white English people have moved out .. there is a huge Islamic Cultural centre and a mosque there. In the new sports centre there are segregated swimming sessions and even in the ladies’ session women wear burkini. Many women were a burka and people have been blessed with this spectacle – https://www.facebook.com/stephen.houghton.357/videos/724582204338577/?pnref=story

    • cs says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 1:16 pm

      Looks like Lebanon or Iran, funny the sunni are not attacking those guys, yet…

    • Katnis says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 9:32 pm

      WHAT is that? A bunch of out-of-shape middle-aged men grunting and slapping their bare chests in the middle of the street??? It’s as if the zoo keeper let the monkeys out of their cages and into the streets. They look simple and barbaric. Who would slap their chest repeatedly until it was beet red and raw? Take that bizarre muslim ritual back to the sand pit.

      AND…Welcome to the UK! Where time goes backwards and human beings devolve! (No offense to the UK here. Offense intended for the street monkeys.)

      Thanks for sharing this link.

      • Lynn says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 11:45 am

        notice how only a few have used enough force upon themselves as other more zealot participants. Seems like they aren’t as tough as they sound.
        But is this the same thing only different as the flailing and bleeding they do in mecca or wherever…
        In Margita’s post the included link has an interesting Poster uploaded by somebody in Comments. Sending guns to the Brits from America. How will Brits defend themselves? Bobbies are to few and too heavy to carry in one’s pocket. Are knives still available in the UK?

      • Beagle says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 12:07 pm

        Looks like a Shia thing. Be thankful they aren’t slicing babies with knives, whipping themselves, and bleeding all over the street.

  5. citycat says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 1:02 pm

    Plenty bloody hands in Engeland.
    “he has never been violent”
    In the minds of muslims he has violated Islam.
    An imam decades ago told me that what they were doing at the mosque was evil. He could not leave, had to play the game, say nothing, or be killed.
    Is this not common knowledge amongst muslims?
    He got off lightly.

  6. Jay Boo says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    If Muslims wish to live in the West they should respect those who wish to leave Islam.
    Muslims should behave with common human decency.
    In other words, they should themselves reject Islam and accept civility over the rampant rank filth of Muhammad

    • Ex-muslim says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 1:25 pm

      Muslims have no respect for the West or their democracy. They respect sharee’a and sharee’a commands the execution of anyone who leaves islam but most peoples and governments in the West cannot understand this or even have the moral capacity to grasp it. This is the big problem that ex-muslims are facing in the West.

  7. Christian A. Beltram says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 1:23 pm

    Cases like this prove that Britain’s days as a free society are no longer numbered, they are already over! This same pattern of destruction is being repeated across the world and it must be stopped and reversed before time runs out for the human race!

    • Raja says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 8:30 pm

      Christian,

      Your nation was enslaved by Marxist ideology now you have to face music from the devil through Islam for MORE slavery. I thought medieval kings had better sense of justice than the materialistic cuckoos of today. What a cursed UK !!!

  8. mortimer says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 1:29 pm

    The Church of England has one of the greatest opportunities to convert Muslims to Christianity, but they are doing virtually nothing.

    • Raja says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 8:34 pm

      Mortimer,

      Doctrine is hardly the forte of Church of England. When they cannot save themselves how can they save others? It is like the blind leading the blind. This weakness was latched on to by the Leftists and UK is still reeling under that effect

    • Kepha says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 8:49 pm

      Too much of the CofE hierarchy has been too busy trying to convert Christians into post-Christians to present the Gospel to Muslim immigrants. My guess is that a lot of the “Los vom Islam” that has happened in the West is due to non-mainstream Evangelicals rather than established EUropean churches and American [rapidly ageing and shrinking] “Mainline” denominations.

  9. ECAW says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 1:47 pm

    R.I.P. Denis Healey, often called “the best Prime Minister we never had”.

    Not off topic because when you compare him, the Chancellor of the Exchequer who had to go cap in hand to the IMF and who said his headmaster told him “If you’re not a communist at 18 you’ve got no heart but if you’re still one at 30 you’ve got no brain” with the current shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer, who says he learned everything he knows about economics from Karl Marx, you see what has become of the Labour Party.

    Between the two came the unprincipled narcissist Blair who opened the flood gates to Muslim immigration, and the thousands of (predominantly) Labour apparatchiks who resolutely looked the other way while thousands of English girls were sacrificed to barbarians. They call us rascists and chant “We will not be divided”, having imported divisions like we’ve never seen of which the subject of this post is a small example.

  10. Rikki H says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    Bradford has become the Islamic hub of the UK. This is no surprise, but the fact that these are Asian Christians rather than white people is more important to the anti-jihad cause. I’m pretty sure this story will be buried by the leftist press, so everyone needs to post this story to as many British newspapers as possible in outrage and share it on Facebook and Twitter or any social media, the Internet war is still part of the war and can go a long way to helping us win or at least turn the tide so tge media can no longer deceive the people with propaganda. The reason this is no important id because if someone a story of white people being attacked in Bradford no one will bat an eyeli, but the lleft with their message of diversity in our cities enriching ourcculture, cannot ignore UK Muslims terrorising a much smaller minority and will be forcedto put ttheir money where there mouth is and express outrage, or take the side of the Muslim bullies proving themselves to be exactly the shit stirring, pro-jihad traitors we know they are. But those honest enough will make enough noise that politicians have to start taking note that Muslims WILL NEVER integrate and that Bradford could soon become ab Islamic state and terrorist haven within the UK which is a shape of what’s to come in Britain when they outnumber us.

    • Raja says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 9:45 am

      Rikki,

      MAY be UK will wake up when the Muslim majority Bradford ask for independence and a separate state Bradfordistan. Imagine this when that happens: The Brand Britain would have taken serious beating. No investor would be interested in Bradfordistan/UK, and there might be capital flight leaving UK. Alas UK would lose the “first world” status!!! Would that bring them to senses? No, because they would still listen to Leftists and look for ATONEMENT of “SINS” of the colonial past which is in the least being Christian. What has the state to do with religion? I didn’t know the West could be so stupid !!!!!!!!!

      • fudge says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 4:18 pm

        There are plenty of churches for these new christians to choose from, I don’t like the people of my church, so some christians in my neighbourhood travel upto five miles away, I can’t drive a car so I am stuck here.

    • voegelinian says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 3:43 pm

      “The reason this is no important id because if someone a story of white people being attacked in Bradford no one will bat an eyeli, but the lleft with their message of diversity in our cities enriching ourcculture, cannot ignore UK Muslims terrorising a much smaller minorit”

      You’d think that would be the case; but in fact the PC MC mainstream throws non-Muslim ethnic people under the bus whenever they come into conflict with the #1 Designated Ethnic Minority (in the eyes of PC MC) — the Mother of All Others, Muslims.

      • DeMolay says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 3:55 pm

        I’ve had the misfortune of having to work in Bradford for a spell. Let me tell you it’s a dump since the Muslim population grew. Buildings derelict and run down, shops turning into halal mini marts, mobile phone unlocking shops, or sellers of cheap phone cards for dialling Pakistan etc. The place has gone to the dogs, a horrible place.

      • Angemon says

        Oct 5, 2015 at 11:25 am

        voegelinian posted:

        “PC MC mainstream throws non-Muslim ethnic people under the bus whenever they come into conflict with the #1 Designated Ethnic Minority (in the eyes of PC MC) — the Mother of All Others, Muslims.”

        Why do you think that is? Why is it that, in your opinion, given two people of the same race/ethnicity, the scales tip in favour of the muslim one?

  11. Westman says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 2:29 pm

    A family that left Islam and was successful in obtaining property and educating the children in the professions. This is what the UK needs and it puts a smile on the faces of the politicians.

    Only the supremist view of Islam with some additional jealousy could persecute this family for its success. This is an analog of destroying the art and historical artifacts of previous generations – there can be no success without Allah. And never can there be success by apostates.

    This is the continual humiliation of Islam – it is unable to succeed in a modern world without unearned wealth. Whether it be oil money or money from Western governments, anywhere it governs requires a subsidy from some source to sustain itself beyond mere survival. The old paradigm of taking sufficient wealth by force is now beyond the ability of Islam in the ME. Daesh, though now rich, will ultimately destroy any wealth where they rule.

    The Achillies Heel of Islam: Islam creates an expectation of supreme economic, social, and military power that cannot be achieved by adherence to its doctrine in a modern world.

    The economic migrants, making a intelligent choice, knowing there is no future in the ME , are flooding the best places in Europe to get rooted. They are bringing the poison of Islam with them whether intending to spread it, or not. Instances like the persecution of this family will become common.

  12. DeMolay says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 2:37 pm

    Imagine if the clock maker has 10 years of this type of treatment. Obama would’ve invited him to live in the White House !
    Cameron will just ignore this and the family will be left in the den of wolves to suffer.

    • Karen says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 4:08 pm

      Yes, I guessing that this family hasn’t been invited to Buckingham Palace, received piles of iPads and other swag, and that Oxford hasn’t come calling! 🙂

  13. Lee Hicks says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 2:45 pm

    The U.K. is quickly becoming a Muslim dominated society, in a manner that would have Churchill rolling over in his grave.

    This is the real danger that Islam poses, and violent warfare isn’t necessary, to conquer a nation. Jihad (holy warfare) allows several tactics, not only violence, in order to promote the conquest of Islam.

    Cultural Jihad and Political Jihad are, in many ways, much more effective in conquest, using the laws and customs of a nation against it.

    It is beginning in the U.S. as well, and if not checked and halted soon, what we see in the U.K. will be manifested here, as well.

    This is the deceit of Islam, the promotion of it as a peaceful and respectable religion.
    The opposite is true, and conquest is the ultimate goal of the theocratic religion.

    The U.K. is pretty much a lost cause now, and will likely continue the slide to full Islamization, though it will likely deceptively use some other term.

    Know the evil of Islam, and know that while you may be a tolerant and peaceful person, willing to live and let live, the religion of Islam allows for no such peaceful perspective.

    • Rikki H says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 3:00 pm

      We’re not a lost cause yet, our government and media are dhimmis but we, the people, are not. Nany of us are working very hard to fight this (admittedly against the tide and we still are trying to find a way where we can form an armed insurgency against muslims should they take a step tio far. Guns may not be legal, but many military are sympathetic to the cause) . We won’t take it lying down believe me.

    • voegelinian says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 3:53 pm

      “This is the real danger that Islam poses, and violent warfare isn’t necessary, to conquer a nation. Jihad (holy warfare) allows several tactics, not only violence, in order to promote the conquest of Islam.”

      The various non-violent tactics Muslims deploy would not enable them to conquer without ALSO adding in violence.

      Secondly, the necessary violence tactic that is an intrinsic part of the overall strategy cocktail of stealth jihad will also need to get worse and worse as the years go by. In this regard, there are two reasonably inferred factors that give me long-range hope for the West (but short-term pessimism):

      1) Muslims will get worse and worse in terms of their overt violence and threats of violence.

      2) The West is a gazillion times superior to Muslim culture — on all levels one could cite: health of societies, technology, science, and military.

      Put 1 and 2 together and you have the recipe for a disaster of a shit-hitting-the-fan train wreck in the coming decades in the short-term, but in the long term, a Reawakening of the Western Lion which even at that late date — even after Muslims have mass-murdered a few million Westerners in various places, destroyed large gouges of infrastructure in various places, and caused an increase in trauma, anxiety, stress, disarray, fatalism, conspiracy theory, etc. — will be able to shake off its PC MC stupor, round up all Muslims, put them on planes and boats, and deposit them in any part of the Dar-al-Islam that will be most convenient for us. Of course, it would have been better had the West gotten around to that sooner, rather than later; but apparently the West will continue to think it can’t and/or shouldn’t do it (and the best barometer for how stubbornly the West feels against Total Deportation may be gleaned from how many even in the Counter-Jihad share basically the same feelings about this issue as the PC MC majority they otherwise routinely mock and disdain).

      • Angemon says

        Oct 5, 2015 at 11:30 am

        voegelinian posted:

        “and the best barometer for how stubbornly the West feels against Total Deportation may be gleaned from how many even in the Counter-Jihad share basically the same feelings about this issue as the PC MC majority they otherwise routinely mock and disdain”

        In all fairness, the local (only?) proponent of “Total Deportation” has failed scores, if not hundreds, of times to provide the necessary legal background and support necessary to overcome the obstacles and burdens such a measure would encounter, preferring instead to routinely mock and deride those who ask him for any sort of clarification – “Total Deportation” is the final solution because he says so – no explanation ever given because, apparently, it’s so self-evident that he doesn’t need a plan – and damn you if you question it.

  14. Ben says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    I live in this area. I have a sister who goes to the same school. It’s absolutely shocking that this sort of thing happens in our society, we live side by side with these savages.

    For the most part they may not persecute us, but they persecute their own when they leave the religion.

    What do you think they have in store for us once they are a majority?

    • Rikki H says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 3:04 pm

      Same as every other place that’s fallen under sharia law, conversion, death or jirza. Which is why we need to arm up and be ready!

    • cs says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 3:11 pm

      Never been to Bradford, but I heard it is “their” city, specially if you consider that the hateful Galloway ruled the land, he helped in shape this disgraceful trend.

      • DeMolay says

        Oct 3, 2015 at 3:37 pm

        Traitor Galloway declared Bradford an Israeli free zone.

    • Judi says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 7:22 am

      Ben – I too live in this area. Aren’t we lucky to have such diverse and multicultural neighbours (sarc)!!

  15. Rikki H says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 3:04 pm

    Same as every other place that’s fallen under sharia law, conversion, death or jirza. Which is why we need to arm up and be ready!

  16. donnie newell says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    you know the only thing you can do if fight back. get out in the streets …if that don’t work its time for war. civil war..no other choice.. if you value your freedom it may require sacrifice.

  17. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 3:15 pm

    What kind of Moslems are these harassers? Islamic Law — the Sharia — is clear that the penalty for apostasy is death by execution. So, legally, it is their duty to murder the family. Harassing the apostate family out of their home is showboating, seeking praise and admiration for personal aggrandizement; it is not true Islam, and exhibits a lack of devoutness and commitment that should be of concern to the Imams, Mullahs and Scheiks in England. Something should be done about this.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 3:31 pm

      To follow up on the thought that the English Imams, Mullahs and Scheiks should show concern at the weak-tit actions of the harassers, it strikes me that the problem with Moslems in England today is a lack of leadership.

      England needs an Ayatollah. Such an exalted leader is deserved there now, the place has attained that level of Islamization. Cameron should do this, bring in an Ayathollah, preferably a Paki (many are queasy with Moslems from India, don’t feel they can be trusted with the responsibility of Moslemism).

      By such a bold move Cameron can upstage the work laid down by Blair.

  18. jayell says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 3:19 pm

    OK, some people are not going to like this, but here we go:-

    …”Our lives have been sabotaged and this shouldn’t happen in the United Kingdom,’ said Mr Hussain.
    ‘We live in a free democratic society and what they are doing to us is abhorrent.’……

    As far as I am aware, this sort of thing certainly DID NOT use to happen in the UK in a time before people like Mr. Hussain came to live here, and it is a result of this demographic shift, of which Mr. Hussain is a part, that the ‘UK’ is no longer the ‘UK’ that it was. In a ‘free democracy’ – if you are actually going to abide by those principles – it is the people that create the country and the society, and not the other way around. By importing en masse persons of a radically different culture you import their culture as well unless you firstly define your cultural standards to the letter and place strict restrictions upon these imported demographic elements and compel them to abide by your specified standards. This can be achieved to a certain extent by enforcing the law rigorously, but in the UK, which has traditionally been a largely self-policing society with a high degree of cultural and moral consensus, the law has really only concerned itself with serious breaches of interpersonal and property rights, and finer or more ‘private’ matters of personal interaction, including individual freedoms and everyday personal rights, have been satisfactorily left to self-regulation due to the apparent inherent restraint and sense of ‘fairness’ of the erstwhile indigenous UK population, no doubt informed by its Christian heritage. Thus, there is no real or easily available remedy in UK law (or criminal law at least) in cases of ‘unpleasant’, ‘privately antisocial’ or otherwise ‘unfair’ behaviour where it does not clearly breach the criminal code. Thus, whilst Mr. Hussain’s complaint that the behaviour of his former co-religionists is ‘abhorrent’ is quite correct, his only remedy in law is to institute criminal proceedings where there is adequate evidence to obtain a criminal conviction, and the police should be doing this. In the absence of clear proof of criminality on the part any individual, Mr Hussain has no redress against ‘abhorrent behaviour’, since it is part and parcel of one’s ‘free democratic’ rights to behave or speak as perversely as one wishes WITHIN THE RULE OF LAW. The fact that this was rarely a problem before the advent of Mr Hussain’s kinsmen in the UK no doubt speaks volumes about the quality of the former indigenous population, and the fact that this is apparently no longer the case (as ostensibly illustrated here) leads one to the unfortunate conclusion that Mr Hussain should be rather more circumspect before blaming the ‘United Kingdom’ – or at least what was formerly understood to be the ‘United Kingdom’ – for his current predicament.

    I continue.

    …”He also criticised the Anglican Church for failing to provide any meaningful support…”

    The Head of the Anglican Church is the Queen. The establishment of the Anglican Church is influenced if not effectively controlled by her Ministers of Government. This is what the general policies, attitudes and outlook of the Anglican Church can be expected to reflect. What sort of thinking (sic) do we see emanating from Cameron & Co. in relation (shall we say) to things like ‘multiculturalism’?. So what sort of line are we to expect from the Anglican Church? And, with this kind of ‘sensitive’ issue, what sort of ‘meaningful support’ does Mr. Hussain really expect, especially bearing in mind the level of ‘meaningful support’ that the thousands of Syrian CHRISTIANS have been receiving from the UK government and its ‘Department of God’ recently?

    ….”Now the family are likely to move from their home city of Bradford to a ‘white English’ area to escape the hate campaign….”

    What an appalling indictment of the ‘Utopia’ of ‘modern multicultural Britain’ and apparent recognition of what many hold to be the correct definiton of ‘English’, if rather crudely phrased! (And why hasn’t that statement been attacked as ‘repugnant’ and ‘racist’????). If Mr Hussain succeeds in his aim, he will no doubt be aware that he will be following in the steps thousands of former old (“white English”) Bradfordians before him, but, bearing in mind the experiences that must have led all these people to ‘escape’, one wonders how they will view the prospect of Mr Hussain achieving his aim in their vicinity, even with his ‘Christian’ credentials. I have lived and worked in Bradford, I still have connections with Bradford people, I know what they are thinking and saying (and it’s pretty obvious why) .

    …..”Only one successful prosecution has been made, and Mr Hussain said he feels so let down by police he has lodged a complaint with the Independent Police Complaints Commission….”

    Has Mr Hussain’s case been featured on this site before? If it hasn’t, then a very similar one has, and in THAT case the complainant, who had been subjected to similar outrages for similar reasons, was told by a Bradford police sergeant “not to behave like a Crusader”. Now, those of us who recall the ‘good old days’ and programmes on British TV like ‘Dixon of Dock Green’ (a police series about a good, upstanding defender of the Law in London’s East End in the 1950’s – 1970’s) would be absolutely mortified to see words like THAT attributed to any serving British police officer, and Mr. Hussain would have every right to feel not only ‘let down’ but downright disgusted if anything even vaguely like that happened to him. One only hopes that the Police Complaints Commission is not as negligent – or maybe just plain bent – as some of our police have become in ‘certain areas’.

    OK, so now I’ll wait for the indignant comments. Or, perhaps if I’m being monitored, a knock on the door? What’s for certain is that this post would NEVER make it onto the letters pages of a UK newspaper or one of their blogs, but that would be the price of trying to tell it as it is in the modern UK, and it’s sad that, if one’s going to be honest, it really doesn’t sound very nice.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 7:00 pm

      Jayell wrote:

      OK, so now I’ll wait for the indignant comments. Or, perhaps if I’m being monitored, a knock on the door?
      …………………………….

      Personally,Jayell, I think your focusing your rage on the victims in this case is rather misguided–I consider our problem to be with the Muslim persecutors, and our weak response to their savagery.

      That being said, the idea that your commenting here will result in Jihad Watch sending someone to “knock on your door” is simply bizarre–and utter calumny. Civilized people disagree here on discrete points all the time, and they do so without oppression or violence–quite unlike the behavior of members of the “religion of peace”.

      • jayell says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 8:09 am

        Thanks for accepting my invitation to respond. And how nice to have a good, reasoned response! But….
        1. There’s no ‘rage’ here, just a rather irritated attempt at an analysis of the situation. Basically, this is a self-contained debacle within a community that has transposed itself into a Western environment basically for the sake of its own economic gain, and therefore seems to have paid little attention and even less respect to its new social environment. That might be OK to a point, but the trouble seems to come when everyone has to get involved in picking up the pieces in situations such as this; it’s an expensive and time-consuming business, we’ve all got other things to do with our time and our diminishing resources, so it seems reasonable to start getting a little irritated when (a) people have had long enough (2+ generations in many cases?) to learn how we do things over here and try to behave themselves, or/and (b) you’d normally expect to get a good idea of what things are like where you’re going before you go. At least, I do that before I go abroad.
        2. The ‘knock on the door’ idea was supposed to be a dark joke, but it may be not so far off the mark when you consider that there are proportionally more CCTV cameras in public places in the UK than anywhere else. There must be a lot of information from that lot, and that’s just the cameras! And take a look at the blogs in the UK press. See how often clued-up correspondents use dodges (figure 5’s, asterisks, deliberate mis-spacings) to get around the automatic censors. Sorry to shatter illusions, but maybe 21st. century UK is not QUITE the same as the 1950’s version.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 5, 2015 at 3:20 am

          jayell wrote:

          Thanks for accepting my invitation to respond. And how nice to have a good, reasoned response! But….
          ………………………………………

          Thanks for your reply, jayell.

          More:

          1. There’s no ‘rage’ here, just a rather irritated attempt at an analysis of the situation. Basically, this is a self-contained debacle within a community that has transposed itself into a Western environment basically for the sake of its own economic gain, and therefore seems to have paid little attention and even less respect to its new social environment…
          ………………………………………

          I agree with you that this sort of viciousness would not occur were it not for the UK and much of the rest of the West foolishly having allowed–and even encouraged–Muslim mass immigration.

          But this is *not* a “self-contained debacle”–this is Muslims punishing anyone who dares break away from Islam to embrace civilized values. With all respect, how can you believe that if the West winks at this that it will not embolden Muslims to further go after *all* non-Muslims–which is not just apostates from Islam, but *ourselves*.

          You may care nothing for the Hussein family, but it will do nothing but embolden vicious Muslims if they are able to harass, threaten, or even murder this family with impunity.

          And the Hijira into the West is *not* just about economics–the most pious Muslims intend to “Islamoform” our societies and impose Shari’ah bit by bit, and wage violent Jihad until they achieve this. A major part of this is making sure that no part of the Ummah be allowed to escape Islam, as Mr. Hussein and his family have done.

          That is why pious Muslims target all apostates, such as staunch Anti-Jihadist Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

          And I do not believe that pious Muslims have failed to pay attention to their new social environment–i.e., the civilized West.

          Instead, they hate and reject our values and plan on imposing their own.

          More:

          That might be OK to a point, but the trouble seems to come when everyone has to get involved in picking up the pieces in situations such as this; it’s an expensive and time-consuming business, we’ve all got other things to do with our time and our diminishing resources, so it seems reasonable to start getting a little irritated when (a) people have had long enough (2+ generations in many cases?) to learn how we do things over here and try to behave themselves, or/and (b) you’d normally expect to get a good idea of what things are like where you’re going before you go. At least, I do that before I go abroad.
          ………………………………………

          The “trouble seems to come when everyone has to get involved in picking up the pieces in situations such as this”–*really*? So you don’t believe that the trouble started when Muslims started threatening these apostates?

          I agree with you that opposing Jihad in our own societies is expensive and time consuming, and should not have been necessary–but how much *more* expensive is it going to be if we just completely ignore Muslim savagery and embolden Jihad in the process?

          Just ask Lee Rigby or Palmira Silva how costly this is–alas, we cannot ask them, as they were both beheaded by pious Muslims in the streets of London.

          And this assumes that we react later rather than sooner–but what if we fail to *ever* react strongly? In that case, all we have to do is observe any Muslim land, and see how the native Infidels are oppressed and murdered. At its worst, in a few centuries time we could be living–or mostly dying–in someplace like the Islamic State.

          More:

          2. The ‘knock on the door’ idea was supposed to be a dark joke, but it may be not so far off the mark when you consider that there are proportionally more CCTV cameras in public places in the UK than anywhere else. There must be a lot of information from that lot, and that’s just the cameras! And take a look at the blogs in the UK press. See how often clued-up correspondents use dodges (figure 5’s, asterisks, deliberate mis-spacings) to get around the automatic censors. Sorry to shatter illusions, but maybe 21st. century UK is not QUITE the same as the 1950’s version.
          ………………………………………

          Britons *have* been persecuted by their own dhimmi government for daring to voice an opposition to Jihad–but that knock is *not* going to come from anyone at Jihad Watch. People here respect freedom of speech, even when they might have some issues with the specific content, as here.

          And no–Britain is *not* like the 1950s version–which is when my mother left England.

          That’s the whole point–we know that Britain is being overrun by ravening Muslims intent on imposing Shari’ah, as well as passive dhimmis who do little to oppose this–and we don’t want to let this happen without a fight.

    • Rikki H says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 4:37 am

      Go on then, tell us

      • jayell says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 8:09 am

        Er, what?

    • Rikki H says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 5:01 am

      Go on then, tell us what is being said in Bradford and why? I’m pretty sure your version of “what and why” will echo the pro-jihad, rhetoric of the frankly laughable parody of a socialist like Galloway. I know what is being said in Bradford and why. The muslims believe it is “their territory” conquered by the same means of infiltrating our society that ISI are currently using (I’m sure you have no problem with that either). I wonder if you actually believe you and your ilk would be treated equally and as allies should sharia law become the rule of the land. Socialist idiots like Galloway see muslims as a means to an end (of helping ignite a revolution in the UK, an ideal that my overtly racist grandfather used to gibber on about, which is what makes the 21st century socialist rhetoric of pro-multicultural society such a joke as I don’t think he and his miners strike generation would have adopted this fake racial /religious alliance agenda.
      As for your assumption that you’re being monitored by Jihad Watch (because you’re such a big fish) and will get a knock on the door, I suggest you see a shrink. You’re clearly among the collection of scared young fools who have been brainwashed by Zeitgeist and suchlike into believing you live in a police state with no freedoms, and an evil shadow government run by an international alliance of super-wealthy corporations control the world and orchestrate every act of terror and evil deed. You’re a tin foil hat away from a padded cell mate…

      • jayell says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 8:32 am

        Thanks, mate, you’ve put in writing what I was trying to avoid saying. Also, the trouble with this site is that people don’t seem to spot when one’s veering away from the ‘serious’ a bit. Perhaps I ought to make it a bit more obvious. No-one in their right mind seriously believes in the ‘midnight knock’ in the UK, but have a look at what I said further up about things like the extent of CCTV over here (yes, EVERYONE knows about that!) and the way in which certain things can’t be said in the media. At the moment that seems to be OK, but it all depends on who gets their hands on the control buttons. You happy about that? Then you have great faith in human nature. And thanks for dubbing me a ‘scared young fool’. Theres’s a compliment there but sadly I’m not ‘young’, and I don’t think I’m particaularly scared. Not sure about the last bit.l

  19. Angemon says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    The family were denounced as ‘apostates’ – a term used for those who renounce a religion for another – which in some hardline Islamic countries is punishable with death.

    “Hardline”? Oh, you mean “practicing”.

    • voegelinian says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 4:19 pm

      Thank Allah for all the millions and millions of Lax Muslims who don’t practice their Islam. If it weren’t for them, the West would have a much broader and deeper problem a-brewin’. Millions and millions; how many millions? No one knows or can know; but many can assume just enough to assuage their anxiety about how big the problem is — and about what we must do to manage it (Total Deportation, not genocide).

      • Angemon says

        Oct 5, 2015 at 11:34 am

        I’m confused, voeg – you’re reading and replying to my posts again, after stating you were done doing so because they made you ill? Not a consistent fellow, are you?

        “and about what we must do to manage it (Total Deportation”

        What’s your plan for that? Oh, wait, I nearly forgot – you don’t have a plan. You just want to repeat it over and over and hope that 50, or 100, or 150 years from now someone will actually look into it, all along telling everyone how dire the situation is and that something needs to be done yesterday. Bravo, genius, bravo!

  20. Nani says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 4:42 pm

    I am not surprise if this is happening in the UK because the British allow so many Orthodox Muslim immigrants to settle their country and they never tell them or teach them to integrate or respect individuality.

  21. citycat says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    ” our lives have been sabotaged and this shouldn’t happen {TO MUSLIMS} in the United Kingdom ”
    is inferred within the mushy presence of Isla, generally speaking, i guess.
    Where was he when 1400++ girls were being raped.
    There’s something weird about a person who leaves one religion to join another.
    One realizes the nonsense in one’s religion and so it is more apparent in the others.
    This guy is a “tiny minority” and so his life can’t reflect the reality of the general mess.
    Maybe he is too messed up to realize that to leave Islam one has to get the hell away and tell no one.
    He was found in the enemy camp.
    Or he could be doing insane double agent jihad.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 7:16 pm

      citycat wrote:

      ” our lives have been sabotaged and this shouldn’t happen {TO MUSLIMS} in the United Kingdom ”
      is inferred…
      ……………………………….

      citycat, the whole point is that this family is *no longer Muslim*. The idea that he is actually complaining about Muslims not being privileged enough in the UK simply makes no sense–his family has been persecuted *by Muslims*.

      More:

      There’s something weird about a person who leaves one religion to join another.
      ……………………………….

      citycat, I know you are an Atheist, and I respect that. But there is nothing weird about leaving one faith for another–you may not realize that Islam is *very* different from Christianity. When a Christian converts to Islam, this is almost always a dangerous sign, whereas a Muslim apostate who becomes Christian is leaving a vicious creed for one far more decent and civilized. Note that Nissar Hussein didn’t suddenly become a threat to *his* neighbors.

      Surely you can see the difference here even if you think all religion is nonsense.

      And this is about freedom of conscience–surely something you would support even if you don’t believe in Christianity? Certainly, most here would support the Hussein family if they had left Islam for Atheism, and *no one* would have threatened him if he had done so. Not so with violent Muslims.

      More:

      One realizes the nonsense in one’s religion and so it is more apparent in the others.
      This guy is a “tiny minority” and so his life can’t reflect the reality of the general mess.
      Maybe he is too messed up to realize that to leave Islam one has to get the hell away and tell no one.
      He was found in the enemy camp.
      ……………………………….

      Yeah–a lot of Muslim apostates fail to realize just how threatening Islam is. That being said, this is true of all too many Infidels, as well. We see this here all the time.

      More:

      Or he could be doing insane double agent jihad.
      ……………………………….

      *Really?* How would that work? A family leaves Islam, and is harassed and threatened by Muslims–and this benefits Islam—how, exactly?

      You may not agree with the Hussein family in being courageous enough to leave Islam for Christianity, but the idea that this somehow makes them stealth Jihadists just makes no sense.

      • Bangu says

        Oct 3, 2015 at 7:41 pm

        Thank You.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 11:00 pm

          Thanks, Bangu.

  22. Tomasz says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 6:49 pm

    This family are probably the last Christian family in England. I wish them the best and I hope they move to somewhere else soon.

  23. Wellington says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    The long and the short of it here (with gravenimage’s comments being particularly pertinent) is that Islam is ABSOLUTELY incompatible with freedom.

    Have Islam? Then precisely to the extent you do, you have an extremely closed-minded ideology which can in no way be reconciled with freedom or equality under the law——-sorry you Zuhdi Jassers and Daniel Pipes out there but you are wrong. The more Islam you have, the less freedom you have, the less equality under the law you have. It is a very clear and inversely proportional relationship. Those denying this are lying or are ignorant or are delusional.. No fourth possibility exists. The subject of this article at JW proves in microcosm this point.

    And finally, all of sense and knowledge should ask themselves this: When has someone who converted to Islam been threatened with death or maiming or some kind of bodily harm? Yes indeed, once again it is clearly the case that Islam is a one-way street——-to its eternal shame I would argue.

  24. cliffface says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    They look like a respectable family.
    Such a pity people feel they need to jump from one cult to another.
    If what they seek is gender equality , a sound education and mutual respect then they need to join the cult of atheism.
    Oh that’s right atheists don’t have a cult they just go about their lives practising gender equality , mutual respect for others and seeking a sound education based on fact not fiction for their children.
    No wonder the cults hate and fear atheists.

    • Wellington says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 10:35 pm

      Your moral (and stupid) equivalency thinking, clifface, is showing most glaringly. And I write this as the agnostic, the completely non-religious person, that I am. Shame on you and, as well, consider that many atheists, quite ironically but insouciantly ignorant nonetheless (like you), have, in effect, made a religion out of not having one.

      Wise up. Learn. I’m so tired of drivel like yours. It gives a bad name to those of us who are not religious but who don’t gloat about the fact that we aren’t and who can still appreciate the fact that one of the three major ways of exploring existence is the religious approach, the other two being the philosophical and scientific approaches, all of which use reason———-religion uses reason plus faith, philosophy reason alone and science reason plus tested observational methods.

      Do you get any of this? Do you never, even though not religious, consider what prompted Romanesque and Gothic architecture and the magnificence of something like the Sistine Chapel? Or are you above this? Or should I more accurately assert beneath this?

      It is also exceedingly foolish to divide a coalition against a true totalitarian ideology like Islam by insulting portions of that coalition (examples being Christians, religious Jews, Hindus and Buddhists). My God, I’m so tired of self-righteous, smug and limited people like yourself. Stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. Oh yeah, quit giving the non-religious approach to understanding existence a bad name, as you have here on this thread.

      • cliffface says

        Oct 3, 2015 at 11:09 pm

        Actually wellington I went to a catholic boarding school and i saw wrong from day one.
        Name one culture that in the history we know has been saved by their god ?.
        By your account you will suck any dick that comes along and hope in the end you have sucked on the right one ?.
        There is no god and never has been just greedy people looking to control.
        You write almost as if educated yet you can’t quite sort the fact from the fiction can you.
        Anyway by the middle of 2017 all the questions will be answered because it is time to meet the neighbours.
        2/3 of the population won’t be here much longer and that’s a good thing.
        You know gumboot man if you can provide any real evidence of god not just the old he said she said then i will show evidence that you are completely wrong.
        But as people have been trying for a long long time without success I guess you will just have to live in your bubble for a few more years.

        • Wellington says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 11:16 pm

          It’s worse that I thought with you initally. Seek help, clifface. Seek it quick like, including how to write English in a grammatically correct way, though this appears to be about the least of your many problems.

        • Jay Boo says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 11:33 pm

          Wellington,
          Sometimes atheists will challenge the off topic excess KGV commenters. I get that but, the obvious question is why would cliffface even bother to bring up such a point about atheism in the first place in reference to this families persecution.
          My opinion is that foul mouthed “assface” is at best a nominal atheist and a covert defender of Islam.

          clifface is trying bait us into changing the topic from followers of Muhammad’s disgrace to profanity laced name calling.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 11:40 pm

          The increasingly nasty cliffface wrote:

          By your account you will suck any dick that comes along and hope in the end you have sucked on the right one ?.
          …………………………………

          Well, that’s just grotesque. And aiming this at Wellington, who is *himself* an Agnostic, makes no sense at all.

          And even if you don’t believe in any faith, surely you must realize that living by different creeds brings different results–and not just in some spiritual sense, but here, in the world.

          Those 27,000+ Jihad terror attacks directly result from pious Muslims living their faith. There is no other faith that is like this.

          More:

          There is no god and never has been just greedy people looking to control.
          You write almost as if educated yet you can’t quite sort the fact from the fiction can you.
          Anyway by the middle of 2017 all the questions will be answered because it is time to meet the neighbours.
          …………………………………

          What is supposed to happen in 2017?

          More:

          2/3 of the population won’t be here much longer and that’s a good thing.
          …………………………………

          Well, *this* is disturbing–clifface talks about Christianity’s (supposed) lack of mutual respect, but he is sanguine over the prospect of the demise of over *4 billion* people–in fact, he considers it a *good thing*. **Horrifying**.

          He also appears to be not just severely morally compromised, but also rather unhinged. What does he believe is apt to cause this incipient mass death?

          More:

          You know gumboot man if you can provide any real evidence of god not just the old he said she said then i will show evidence that you are completely wrong.
          But as people have been trying for a long long time without success I guess you will just have to live in your bubble for a few more years.
          …………………………………

          Wellington never made the case for the existence of God–he just expressed respect for those who follow reasonable and non-violent creeds, something you appear incapable of grasping.

        • Wellington says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 11:45 pm

          Could be the case, Jay Boo. I suppose the best approach to one who is thought a Muslim but who is posing as something else is to challenge that person to state explicitly that they are not Muslim. I believe a Muslim is, per Islamic law, allowed to state that they are something they aren’t (to deceive the unbeliever, blah, blah, blah) but what they cannot do is assert that they are not a Muslim.

        • Jay Boo says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 11:53 pm

          cliffface sounds a lot like the supposedly ex-Muslim Ismail

          cliffface should focus on why Muslim people are so shallow and without any trace of honor and how Islam is not a religion it is merely an excuse.
          The reason for this might be because Muhammad their example made a life out of making excuses such as, Muhammad had sexual relations with his dead wife and claimed it was all for ‘her’ benefit.

        • Jay Boo says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 11:56 pm

          Come on carpet kisser cliffface
          Bring It

          I am ready to lay out all of Muhammad’s dirty laundry.
          Let’s really talk about — MO

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 11:13 pm

      cliffface wrote:

      They look like a respectable family.
      Such a pity people feel they need to jump from one cult to another.
      If what they seek is gender equality , a sound education and mutual respect then they need to join the cult of atheism….
      …………………………………

      Oh, good grief. The idea that one cannot find gender equality, a good education or mutual respect under Christianity–or most other non-Muslim religions–is just false.

      Robert Spencer–who runs this site–is a devout Christian, Do you believe that he is against the values you mentioned? Not so–he is fighting to defend them.

      And I see that–sadly–your championing mutual respect does not extend to your having anything but contempt for Christianity.

      Thank goodness that is not true of most Agnostics and Atheists here.

      The fact is that we are–or should be–allies against the threat of Islam.

      • Jay Boo says

        Oct 3, 2015 at 11:38 pm

        cliffface wrote
        “Actually wellington I went to a catholic boarding school and i saw wrong from day one.”
        —————–
        I would not believe a word from such a foul mouthed scumbag as cliffface or take the off topic bait as sincere.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 4, 2015 at 2:04 am

          Agreed, Jay Boo. And odd, isn’t it, that clifface never actually mentions what supposedly happened at this school–though he is certainly verbose enough in every other way.

        • cliffface says

          Oct 4, 2015 at 4:07 am

          What happened at the school was that we were told as small children that god would punish us and our families if our shoes were not shiny or our shirts tucked in.
          Dress codes are for good reason but false threats are just wrong.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 5, 2015 at 3:31 am

          Well, urging neatness through threats of divine disapproval is wrong–and has no basis in Christianity itself. I imagine you would be hard-pressed to find any Christian schools doing this today.

          I attended an Episcopal school in the mid-1960s and didn’t experience anything like this.

          But that being said, positing moral equivalence between claiming divine disapproval to get boys to shine their shoes with the horrors of Islam–forced child marriage, sex slavery, genocide of Infidels, and the threatened murder of apostates, as here, is still witless.

      • Diana says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 10:23 am

        Gravenimage, what is supposed to happen in 2017 is the referendum.

        If we leave the EU, we regain border control and focus on social cohesion among the people already here. If we remain in the EU, more Europeans (or Asians & Africans who have previously immigrated to Europe) will pour into Britain.

        I’m not sure what result cliffface expects from the referendum, but that seems to be the allusion.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 5, 2015 at 3:36 am

          Diana, I’m not sure how clifface would imagine that Britain leaving the EU–which sounds like an imminently sane idea to me–would result in the mass-murder of two-thirds of the world’s population. Perhaps he is referring to something else.

          But given his irrationality, perhaps not…

    • Rikki H says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 7:37 am

      Come on Wellington and Cliff let’s not turn on each other. Both atheism abd Christianity are targets of Islam. Abd I can see both your viewpoints. What Cliffface is saying is he can’t understand why they would ditch one religion for another. I think the reason why is because they’ve always gad a faith in god but have seen islam for what it really is, a dark ideology that encourages its followers to kill and die for god. That’s what they wanted to abandon but not their belief in aa higher power, and from living in the west have seen that Christianity haa progressed with the times and doesn’t have such dangerous and violent adherents who will attack them fir not behaving like a true Christian and despite being a complete atheist myself and having opinions and admitting that Christianity has historically had dark times, I recognize it has a system that allows for questioning it and change. But please Wellington, don’t attack people for being atheist here, do you want people coming to this site which is an eye opener for everyone and Robert works tirelessly at to alert people to the true nature of islan, then have people think this is just some fundamentalist Christian site with an agenda because that’s not what it is abd it doesn’t help our already nigh impossible cause to have people think that. At the same time I say to Clifface you I hope you’re not the kind of person that would indicate falsely that all religions are an equal threat to us? I admit that we could speculate that if there was NO religion ever created, historically there may have been less bloodshed and wars, but many bestow the morality that modern western society is built on. Islam certainly is not among them. But you’re both entitled to your opinions, but try and focus on the main threat to freedom AND religion.

      • Wellington says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 6:24 pm

        Atheism and Christianity are indeed both targets of Islam, but this doesn’t mean, shouldn’t mean, that atheists nonetheless go after Christianity the way clifface did (and vice versa I might add though my experience in general is that atheists are more likely to “go after” Christians than the other way around). The broadest possible coalition against Islam is necessary and one that ideally includes Christians, atheists, Hindus, agnostics, Buddhists, Jews, etc. Any member of this coalition insulting someone else in this coalition because of their religious belief or lack thereof is doing a stupid, selfish, self-defeating thing. And this is why I responded to clifface because he did precisely this.

        Actually, I must tell you that your comment, Rikki H, apparently criticizing clifface and me equally, is yet another example of moral equivalency thinking, something I have become exceedingly tired of.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 5, 2015 at 3:39 am

        Rikki, Wellington is *not* attacking Atheists here. He himself is Agnostic. Please reread his posts.

  25. citycat says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    gravenimage
    i know he’s no muslim.
    I’m vague, the guy is vague, first muslim then Christian, Then not.
    I’m ok with religion, cept YKW. I don’t agree with God, a beginning, going to eternity after death
    Religion is the people, all things change, so too then religion, etc etc etc.
    Atheist- not god. If no god then no need for the term.
    Calling me an Atheist is like me calling you a non-muslim. We are human.
    Stealth jihadist, or wot i said. Maybe he’s deluded, as it seems strange that he is not aware of the death penalty for leaving Islam.
    Also i’m automatically suspicious of any declaration by any muslim, i see the sneakiness behind their mingeing smiles every day, and worse with the new arrivals.
    I’ll sort of go with your general drift as a temporary other view, but i will always allow for trickery from all muslims.
    He could be simply naive but i’ve not come across a naive muslim in forty years, but still you may be right. Maybe he’s the exception.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 2:31 am

      citycat wrote:

      gravenimage
      i know he’s no muslim.
      I’m vague, the guy is vague, first muslim then Christian, Then not.
      ………………………………

      How “then not”, citycat? Mr. Hussein said that he is disillusioned with his church–and given the craven and unprincipled lack of support they have given his family, I don’t blame the poor man. But he and his wife have said that their faith remains strong.

      But even if this *were not* the case, his family does not deserve this treatment for having left Islam.

      And note: Ayaan Hirsi Ali has also received death threats for having left Islam, though she is an Atheist–this threat isn’t just aimed at Christians.

      More:

      I’m ok with religion, cept YKW. I don’t agree with God, a beginning, going to eternity after death
      Religion is the people, all things change, so too then religion, etc etc etc.
      ………………………………

      That’s fine. But surely you don’t think that someone should receive harassment and threats for becoming Christian?

      More:

      Atheist- not god. If no god then no need for the term. Calling me an Atheist is like me calling you a non-muslim. We are human.
      ………………………………

      This assumes that virtually everyone does not believe in God, and that this is the default position. Statistically, this simply is not the case. And I certainly was not using “Atheist” in a pejorative sense.

      And I don’t personally mind being called non-Muslim. People have identities based on their beliefs–it is hardly the whole of my identity, but firmly rejecting the foul tenets of Islam is not an inconsiderable part of who I am.

      More:

      Stealth jihadist, or wot i said. Maybe he’s deluded, as it seems strange that he is not aware of the death penalty for leaving Islam.
      ………………………………

      A lot of former Muslims are not aware–perhaps because many of them were less vicious than their former coreligionists even before they left Islam. In fact, we see this all the time with apostates and those at threat of “Honor Killing”. How many of these stories have been covered here at Jihad Watch? I think that many apostates simply can’t bring themselves to believe that loved ones and neighbors would murderously turn on them.

      More:

      Also i’m automatically suspicious of any declaration by any muslim, i see the sneakiness behind their mingeing smiles every day, and worse with the new arrivals.
      I’ll sort of go with your general drift as a temporary other view, but i will always allow for trickery from all muslims.
      He could be simply naive but i’ve not come across a naive muslim in forty years, but still you may be right. Maybe he’s the exception.
      ………………………………

      I believe the whole point is that Mr. Hussein is *no longer Muslim*.

      I don’t trust Muslims either–but I don’t believe that any individual human is incapable of change.

      In fact, some of the staunchest Anti-Jihadists are Muslim apostates such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish, and Wafa Sultan, and Bosch Fawstin.

      Note of the above that one is Christian, two are Atheist, and one considers herself “culturally” Muslim, but rejects the ugly doctrines of Islam.

      I welcome all who leave Islam for civilized belief–of whatever stripe.

  26. Jay Boo says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 12:02 am

    citycat said, “i know he’s no muslim”
    How does citycat (know) he’s no muslim?

    Hmmmm — no real explanation offered

  27. cliffface says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 3:58 am

    Lol and I am the crazy one !.
    To make people fear a god is morally wrong.
    People will kill 2/3 of people not a god.
    Calling me a muslim is no more offensive than calling me a Hindu or Christian.
    How many were punished for claiming the world was not flat ?
    How many witches were hunted down and killed ?.
    For those prepared to look the future reveals facts that often dispel historic fantasy.
    I went looking for a god so I could sort the fact from the fiction and what I found is what will find you in two years time.
    So go ahead and have your little religious wars where the innocent die and the wicked profit.
    In a few years without coercion or conversion you will be presented with facts about where we are and who we are.
    I suppose you are all to busy fighting your own demons to realise that the weapons manufactures are the driving force behind all modern conflicts.
    The weapons manufactures are the driving force behind all modern conflicts.
    I wrote it twice for a reason.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 4:32 am

      Yet more from cliffface:

      Lol and I am the crazy one !.
      To make people fear a god is morally wrong.
      People will kill 2/3 of people not a god.
      …………………………..

      I don’t believe that people–not even murderous Muslims–are going to be able to mass kill two thirds of the global population by 2017. What could you possibly base this on?

      And even more to the point, why would you consider such a horror to be *a good thing*?

      More:

      Calling me a muslim is no more offensive than calling me a Hindu or Christian.
      …………………………..

      In that case, you are completely lacking in moral sense.

      More:

      I suppose you are all to busy fighting your own demons to realise that the weapons manufactures are the driving force behind all modern conflicts.
      The weapons manufactures are the driving force behind all modern conflicts.
      I wrote it twice for a reason.
      …………………………..

      And this is just twice as witless. Jihadists kill because of the texts and tenets of Islam–one could argue that modern weapons make their task easier, but they are hardly a driving force behind it.

      Muslims were murderous conquerors long before the invention and mass-manufacture of modern weaponry.

      They were bloody enough when all they had access to were swords and stones.

      Why is clifface even here at Jihad Watch? Certainly, the more he says the more it is clear that he is no Anti-Jihadist.

      • ECAW says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 5:06 am

        Go on then Ciffface, tell us what’s going to happen in 2017. Wouldn’t have anything to do with David Icke or the Illuminati would it?

        As gravenimage says “Jihadists kill because of the texts and tenets of Islam–one could argue that modern weapons make their task easier, but they are hardly a driving force behind it.”

        Here is one of my favourite bits from the Koran (Hilali Khan translation – the one you’ll find in all those Saudi funded mosques):

        “And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allah….” (8:60)

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 4, 2015 at 9:49 am

          Hello, ECAW.

          ”Go on then Ciffface, tell us what’s going to happen in 2017. Wouldn’t have anything to do with David Icke or the Illuminati would it?”

          The nasty and idiotic ‘cliffface’ made these dark hints on a May 2015 thread

          http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/daniels-timeline-2017.htm

          As well as being unpleasant, stupid, and no anti-Jihadist, he’s also a raving nutter. 🙂

        • ECAW says

          Oct 4, 2015 at 9:58 am

          Thanks Mirren10. All clear now.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 4, 2015 at 10:04 am

          This is the thread;

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/03/australia-teen-jihadi-wannabes-caught-at-airport-and-sent-home/comment-page-1#comment-1207792

          ECAW, I don’t know if you have any computer expertise, but the back and forward arrows on my computer have suddenly become disabled; ie: they stay dark blue, so when I want to click back to the next story on JW, I can’t, and have to go back to internet explorer, and re-enter the JW address, *every single time*. Any suggestions ?

        • ECAW says

          Oct 4, 2015 at 11:08 am

          Mirren10 – not much computer expertise I’m afraid. The only thing that comes to mind is to change browser. I use Firefox now and when I’ve used Internet Explorer recently it seemed impossibly slow and clunky. As I remember it wasn’t at all difficult to download Firefox. I just had to Google it and find their site then followed the instructions. Now I have both on the computer and they don’t get in each others’ way.

          Good luck.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 4, 2015 at 12:07 pm

          Cheers, ECAW. I’ll give it a go.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 5, 2015 at 4:12 am

          Thanks for the link, Mirren. I had missed that thread–and clifface spewing his witless moral equivalence six months ago.

          He wrote: “All religions have their hardliners that believe they have earned the right to not only judge me but also punish me if I do not conform.”

          *Really*? And yet, here are Muslims punishing apostates for not conforming to Islam–as well as 27,000+ Jihad terror attacks since 9/11.

          What “hardliners” of other faiths are doing this?

          And it is *very* odd if clifface is referencing an obscure–and far from mainstream–millenialist Christian prediction of end times.

          This is what he had to say back in March on that thread:

          “I am no more correct than those I claim are wrong and I accept my failings.
          2017 will be hard for all of us to accept but we must be prepared to take the next step in our evolution.

          “And yes I do have hard solid not made by man evidence of my claims of 2017 but to share it with the world would see me killed by all those enjoying the power their greed brings them.”

          Does clifface believe that he would be targeted by “weapons manufacturers”? Or does he believe that there is some sort of bizarre “evolutionary” event taking place a couple of years from now? Either way, he sounds quite unhinged.

          Or maybe he’s just referring this from the Onion:

          http://www.theonion.com/article/scientists-look-one-third-of-the-human-race-has-to-27166

      • Jay Boo says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 9:05 am

        Clifface probably has a mint copy of Rolling Stone magazine with posterboy Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

        But many Muslims are still leaving the stench and filth of Islam behind.
        False equivalence won’t stop Muslims from abandoning the unmitigated disgrace and unrelenting shame of Muhammad when they become aware of the lowly beast by the name of Muhammad.

    • Rikki H says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 8:03 am

      Cliffface I hope you read my post before you go off at me, but now you’re dragging things wildly of topic and it seems to me like you’re similar to my younger brother who is looking for enemies in the wrong places yet believing the Islamic threat is somehow fabricated by corporations… Etc… You don’t seem to be critical of Islam at all, and all you mention is atrocities in the past tense done intthe name of Christianity. I’d go as far as to say that Christianity is a completely harmless religion in the modern day. And speaking of fear of god being immoral, I’d say killing and blowing yourself up for. Allah says the followers have a substantial amount of fear instilled in them, believing if they don’t they fail Allah. Debating about weapons is as pointless as debating “if religion never existed neither would war” because weapons do exist…. The end.

  28. Martinb says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 4:29 am

    Our dhimmi police are not counting these attacks as a hate crime, but drop a bit of your bacon banjo near a mosque and they’ll kick your door in. prison is a dead cert

    As for help from C of E, forget it. The Archdhmmi of Canterbury isn’t even sure he believes in Jesus.
    Goodbye from Londonobad capital of the islamic republic of Britanistan.

  29. Rikki H says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 8:31 am

    I’m going to retract my original post defending Cliffface on the basis that I originally assumed that as an advocate for mutual respect he would be diametrically apposed to an all-enslaving death cult like Islam. But in his vague doomsday warning (maybe he’s Nostradamus but he doesn’t seem articulate enough lol) , and his Zeitgeist befuddled BS about weapons manufacturers owning the world, he’s revealed himself to be exactly like my brother who went to University sensible, and came out full of insane far left conspiracy theories. My brother is a fucking idiot….

  30. Jay Boo says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 8:52 am

    Classic TROLL tactic
    The offensive Ciffface is now trying to (play it cool) while still trying to peddle his off-topic false equivalence sermon but, let us not forget how this POS started his whole spiel with an attention getting vile vulgarity at Wellington.

    Notice also how these trolls always seem to pop up on articles that reveal the shame of Muslims behaving badly or the scheming of Muslims such as CAIR.

  31. fudge says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 9:26 am

    the ministers that don’t help people who convert to christianity should be sacked.

    • Dr. Divinity says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 10:13 pm

      UNITED KINGDOM OF ISLAM….what a shame

  32. Shane says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 10:11 am

    Christian churches, most notably the Roman Catholic church, are doing very little to help Christians around the world who are being persecuted by Muslims. The current Pope has even encouraged the West to take in millions of Muslim refugees! We need Christian men and women to become Christian soldiers to fight the Islamic persecution and genocide. Too many Christian men think that a good Christian man has to be soft, sensitive, and weak. St. Paul was a very strong man who had a warrior spirit proving a Christian man can be a strong and tough warrior who protects Christians from our Muslim enemies.

  33. BC says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 10:32 am

    His ‘hopelessness the poop’ is a disgrace to Christianity. He is a fellow traveller of the jihad against Western Civilisation without which his own privilegeed position would not even exist

    • Tine says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 10:39 pm

      I believe his Christianity is real, more real than that of the churches that aren’t helping him and his family. Are there no other types of churches in the area? Could they go to another area of Britain where there aren’t any muslims? It would involve a culture change, of course, which might be hard, but probably not harder than what they have suffered so far!

  34. BC says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 10:35 am

    Meanwhile anybody who utters the slightest criticism of Islam in public is soon facing an incitement charge.. Muslims of course can criticise the infidel at will and d so without the slightest action being taken. That would be islamofauxbic of course.

  35. Jay Boo says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 10:43 am

    Blah blah blah — to BC, Shane and fudge
    WRONG TARGET
    Muslims are the real problem

    The reason that “UK: Muslims assault, harass, threaten, persecute family, drive them from their home, for converting to Christianity” — is not so much because of ministers and the pope.

    Muhammad was a filthy PIG
    PIG Muhammad had sex with a dead wife.
    Even death could not protect baby girls from the PIG Muhammad.
    Muslims cannot defend Muhammad so they seek out scapegoats for Muhammad’s disgrace.

    • Mirren10 says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 10:53 am

      ”Blah blah blah — to BC, Shane and fudge
      WRONG TARGET
      Muslims are the real problem”

      Certainly, muslims are the real problem.

      But it would be foolish indeed to ignore the facts about the behaviour and actions (or lack them) on the part of many of the Christian hierarchy, and their insane and suicidal determination to pursue ‘meaningful dialogue’ at the cost of their fellow Christians.

      Which has been covered *many* times, here.

      • ECAW says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 11:14 am

        What is the problem, the battering ram or the rotten door?

        (Confucius he say)

      • Jay Boo says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 11:17 am

        Correct
        But this article is specifically about Muslims behaving badly.
        After that recent BS from supposed atheist cliffface, these type of one-sided assaults are an open invitation to the false equivalency folks to sneak back in.
        It seems that cliffface achieved his goal with BC, Shane and fudge by taking the focus off of Muslims and their vile behavior.

        • Jay Boo says

          Oct 4, 2015 at 11:19 am

          false equivalency folks not in reference BC, Shane and fudge, in case that part was not clear

  36. Linda Rivera says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    On the persecution of this one family alone, the entire nation of Britain should be in the streets protesting.

    “Both families attended the local Church of England primary school, where a majority of pupils were Muslims of Pakistani heritage.”

    POPULATION REPLACEMENT IS FORBIDDEN BY INTERNATIONAL LAW. Our leaders are international lawbreakers.

    Unless drastic changes take place, what this Christian convert family experiences will be experienced by all native Brits. And the Muslim gang rapes and tortures of native children will be experienced by all non-Muslim little girls. Native Brits are now a minority in our cherished capital city of London as well as in other cities thanks to the treason of Tony Blair, Jack Straw, Brown and Cameron who stole our inheritance and gave away our tiny, beloved nation to the huge Muslim Third World.

    I hope this beautiful family can find a church, where the minister and church attendees are true Christians.

    The entire establishment serves and protects only Muslims and the elites. Muslims are allowed to threaten infidels wives and non-Muslim victims are arrested and jailed.

    Mr Hussain ended up grappling with a man who ‘threatened and confronted’ his wife. Police were called and Mr Hussain was arrested and spent 12 hours in police cells before being released without charge.

    Just like Muslim countries ruled by sharia law, the govt and police treat our non-Muslim people as Enemies of the State for the sole reason we don’t worship Mohammad’s god. In order to survive, it’s absolutely vital that defense groups are formed all over the country. And hold daily, massive street protests. WE MUST NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT.

    We must not end up with rivers of blood running in our streets.

  37. citycat says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 1:12 am

    gravenimage and co
    i can’t be dealing with your what seems to be prejudiced illogic and biased interpretation of for example
    “i know he’s no muslim”
    it says in the original thread that he converted from a muslim to a christian.
    It is difficult to communicate with a religious person due to the obvious bias. Is any religion correct apart from Christianity?
    I should hate christians, they burnt alive some of my ancestors, and slaughtered some of my other peaceful reverent of nature ancestors for no reason except to impose christianity. But i don’t hate them, because the Christian alive now are supposedly over that barbaric activity, unlike YKW members who are brainwashed into Islam with majorly no choice. CHRISTIANS have a choice, yeah?
    Is any religion correct apart from Christianity?
    Is any religion correct at all? Look at the mess all over Earth. Get into context.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 5, 2015 at 4:34 am

      citycat wrote:

      gravenimage and co
      i can’t be dealing with your what seems to be prejudiced illogic and biased interpretation of for example
      “i know he’s no muslim”
      it says in the original thread that he converted from a muslim to a christian.
      It is difficult to communicate with a religious person due to the obvious bias. Is any religion correct apart from Christianity?
      ……………………………….

      Um….where does any of this come from, citycat?

      I wrote:

      “I welcome all who leave Islam for civilized belief–of whatever stripe.”

      And in mentioning Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Bosch Fawstin–who are Atheists–I made it clear that this included leaving Islam for rational Atheism.

      I believe that people should have the right to leave Islam–for any other religion, or for none.

      Your interpretation of the above as evidence some sort of religious supremacism on my part is simply incomprehensible. Perhaps you did not read my comments?

  38. citycat says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    Gravenimage
    where does this come from?
    Confusion possibly.
    It’s all over Earth.
    Straight answers to Islam are smokescreened over.
    One should be careful about accepting anything at all about Islam.
    Even if that guy is totally honest, because if that works to deflect attention and he seems innocent, so to speak, then another will use that scenario in the service of Islam.
    The solution to Islam is what? Deconstruct the Koran? What?

    • Mirren10 says

      Oct 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm

      ”The solution to Islam is what? Deconstruct the Koran? What?”

      There is no solution to evil. Except to stand against it.

      You are trying to predicate a rational answer to that which is essentially *anti* rational, and profoundly evil.

  39. citycat says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 1:41 pm

    Gravenimage
    i read your comments
    don’t take it to heart, it’s all a mish mash.
    Of views, different depths of understanding, experiences, different brainwashings, involvements like born into Islam or other religion or none,
    each person has their own view, unless well dug in to some group mind. Etc etc

  40. citycat says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    Mirren10
    very true
    i wasn’t predicting, i was suggesting.
    Fine, stand against it.
    Divided we fall?
    We are divided to a degree by different religions.
    So leave religion out of it?
    There is false respect for Islam because it is called a religion.
    Does one fight evil with goodness? Unity in goodness?
    No easy solution to this serious problem of Islam trying to dominate Earth, it seems, at all at all.

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