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UK targets “all extremism,” not just “Islamist extremism”; Muslims still enraged

Oct 19, 2015 12:25 pm By Robert Spencer

“Home Secretary Theresa May said non-violent extremism could not go ‘uncontested’ as it led to the erosion of women’s rights, the spread of intolerance and bigotry and the separation of some communities ‘from the mainstream.’ She said that applied to neo-Nazi extremism just as much as Islamist doctrine.”

There is a global threat from Islamic jihadists, and a very severe jihad threat within Britain itself. To equate this with a minuscule threat from a handful of neo-Nazi nutjobs (who should, of course, be combated in any case, however much she exaggerates the threat they pose) shows how deeply May and the entire Cameron government are beholden to Islamic supremacists who will pillory the government as “racist,” “bigoted” and “Islamophobic” if it speaks too forthrightly and honestly about the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat.

Of course, May is not just speaking about real neo-Nazis. She also almost certainly is lumping in all opponents of jihad terror that she and her government consider to be “right-wing” with neo-Nazis, and in that she has behind her a series of libels from groups such as Fiyaz Mughal’s Faith Matters, the hard-Left Hope Not Hate and the Communist anti-Semite Maryam Namazie’s One Law For All to abet and appear to buttress this mischaracterization. May and her government have ruled all honest discussion about how Islamic jihadists use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and supremacism out of the bounds of acceptable discourse, and put in the place of that honest discussion the prevailing fantasies about how Islam is a Religion of Peace and groups such as the Islamic State are not Islamic.

She is, in other words, smearing an honest and realistic response to the jihad threat as “neo-Nazi” and enforcing falsehoods about “Islamist extremism” that will hamstring, and ultimately doom to failure, her government’s attempts to combat it.

Future generations of free Britons, if there are any, will condemn her and her boss Cameron as naive fantasists whose draconian measures against counter-jihadists and blind eye to jihad activity within Britain (except in the most egregious cases) doomed Britain to years of bloodshed and chaos.

Even so, Islamic supremacists are still not satisfied: they want even more appeasement and surrender. “But Muslim leaders warned the strategy ‘continues down a flawed path’ and risks ‘alienating’ Muslims in the UK.”

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“Counter-extremism: May targets ‘all those who spread hate,'” BBC, October 19, 2015 (thanks to Lookmann):

The home secretary has vowed to “systematically confront and challenge extremist ideology” as she detailed new curbs on those who “spread hate”.

Radical preachers will be banned from posting material online and anyone with convictions for extremist activity will be barred from working with children.

Deradicalisation classes will be made mandatory for others deemed a threat.

But Muslim leaders warned the strategy “continues down a flawed path” and risks “alienating” Muslims in the UK.

Also among the measures within the counter-extremism strategy are:

A full review of public institutions such as schools, further and higher education colleges, local authorities, the NHS and the civil service to ensure they are protected from “entryism” – or infiltration – by extremists
An official investigation into the application of Sharia law in the UK
Extremism disruption orders to stop individuals engaging in extremist behaviour
Closure orders for law enforcement and local authorities to close down premises used to support extremism
Tougher powers for broadcasting regulator Ofcom so action can be taken against radio and television channels showing extremist content
Demands that internet service providers do more to remove extremist material and identify those responsible for it
Anyone with a conviction or civil order for extremist activity will also be automatically barred from working with children and vulnerable people

Prime Minister David Cameron said the plan would work because it was “comprehensive” .

“It’s no good leaving this simply to the police or the intelligence services. It’s no good simply talking about violent extremism. We need to confront all extremism,” he said.

He said its effectiveness would be measured by whether people were being turned away from extremism, stopped from travelling to fight for IS, and by having “more cohesive and integrated communities”.

Home Secretary Theresa May said non-violent extremism could not go “uncontested” as it led to the erosion of women’s rights, the spread of intolerance and bigotry and the separation of some communities “from the mainstream”.

She said that applied to neo-Nazi extremism just as much as Islamist doctrine.
‘Compliance test’

The Muslim Council of Britain has released a highly-critical statement in response to the plans.

Secretary general Dr Shuja Shafi said the strategy would “reinforce perceptions that all aspects of Muslim life must undergo a ‘compliance’ test to prove our loyalty to this country”.

“These measures could be seen more as a means to address the anxieties a minority of people may have against Muslims and their religious life, rather than the scourge of terrorism itself,” he said.

Dr Shafi also said he detected “McCarthyist undertones” in the plans to create blacklists and exclude and ban people those deemed to be extremists.

Mr Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, said the announcement was a “missed opportunity to really engage the Muslim community”.

But Fiyaz Mughal, director of the interfaith Faith Matters organisation, said…

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  1. mortimer says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 12:33 pm

    In other words, Theresa May is starting to realize that the JIHAD DOCTRINE is intolerant, misogynistic and supremacist.

    Islamo-fascism is quite similar to Hitlerism. I’m glad Theresa May is beginning to see it.

    Most Muslims agree with Islamic fascism and Hitlerism.

    • Lia Wissing says

      Oct 20, 2015 at 4:56 am

      I am also glad & grateful that Mrs May is beginning to see. She only has to remember that muslims are always enraged – it’s their default setting.

      • underbed cat says

        Oct 20, 2015 at 9:13 am

        Lisa Wissing Your comment that..”.May is beginning to see. She only has to remember that muslims are always enraged-it’s their default setting.” and is the precise word to describe the cohesive mind set The crux of the problem Britain has in trying to settle down the potential jihadist and general population of muslim areas is they act with the default setting of Islam. Readers of this site know, for muslims to demand and disrupt, decieve and riot to soften up Cameron to comply with sharia and Islamic ideology and eventually leads to taking over governments.
        I think they should apologize to Pamela and Robert, since they were trying to inform with facts of the tenents of islaminization. So at this point any connectiions they are making to islamic terror no matter how tenative is light years away from our administration’s mind control by the muslim brotherhood in the U.S, since they have already placed themselves in position we have a very threatening problem. One that will grow to the power of 10, if this migration /refugee programs continues. Our public is getting softened with the peaceful verses, leftist collusion, charming muslim president, who can’t for the life of him, see what Cameron sees, there is a reason we have a political insurgent working here, I truly think who is viewed as a leader by the OIC,Organization of Islamic Cooperation, 57 muslim countries political party., and young people who were targeted by deception. I have formed this opinion will use my free speech to express it, but there are agenda’s to fundamentally change our Constitution 1st and 2nd Amendment, which is our protection for now.

      • Dr. Divinity says

        Oct 20, 2015 at 4:15 pm

        May juts be too late…..This should have been the UK manifesto..starting 20 or more years ago.

    • Aardvark says

      Oct 20, 2015 at 11:15 am

      ” I’m glad Theresa May is beginning to see it.”

      She already sees it quite clearly, Mortimer, as do all of the other politicians. They are pretending ignorance in a daft attempt to avoid upsetting both the mohammedans and the true British people. If they were to broadcast the truth there would be mohammedan bodies handing from lampposts throughout the country.

      Not that that isn’t likely to happen soon anyway…

  2. August_West says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    So – get branded Extremist and you are a social pariah that needs re-education. I think Orwell wrote a book about this once. As the millennials and they will all agree with the program.

    What is an Extremist? You can rest assured that it will be defined over the course of time to exclude the followers of Islam.

    Those that disagree with Islam will be officially labeled right wing extremists.

    Preview of coming attractions in the US.

    We are at War with Islam – this is what it looks like.

    • Marty says

      Oct 19, 2015 at 12:52 pm

      “We are at War with Islam”
      I wish we were.
      In fact, Islam is at war with us, & our alleged governments have
      pretended it hasn’t been happening in Europe for at least 30 years,
      &, with a few intervals, since the Dark Ages.

    • Kepha says

      Oct 19, 2015 at 8:14 pm

      An “extremist” seems to be someone who believes that there is such a thing as truth.

      • EYESOPEN says

        Oct 20, 2015 at 8:03 pm

        Yes Kepha. And remember, truth is “hate speech” to those who hate the truth.

  3. Victor Redlick says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    Sure, Prime Minister. Cameron et al. Effectively dilute Islamic terrorism by turning it into a toxic bouillabaisse of every social disease created by presidents, prime ministers and kings, and known to mankind. Can the world’s leading mental invalids – elected, appointed and hereditary fraudsters – show any competency – surely not integrity – by dealing with the pervasive and destructive global catastrophe they were most instrumental in spawning and then nurturing it to the point it has reached now, in the first place?

    • EYESOPEN says

      Oct 20, 2015 at 8:05 pm

      You want the short answer? No.

  4. jayell says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 12:53 pm

    OK, then:-

    “But Muslim leaders warned the strategy “continues down a flawed path” and risks “alienating” Muslims in the UK….”

    But muslims have already deliberately alienated themselves from the rest of the population. And alienated the rest of the population from them!

    …..”The Muslim Council of Britain has released a highly-critical statement in response to the plans…. (How unusual! And who cares anyway?)

    ….”Secretary general Dr Shuja Shafi” (sounds like the United Nations!).”.. said the strategy would “reinforce perceptions that all aspects of Muslim life must undergo a ‘compliance’ test to prove our loyalty to this country”. BUT THEY THEMSELVES HAVE SAID THAT THEY DO NOT PROFESS LOYALTY TO THIS COUNTRY, ONLY TO ISLAM!!! Does this person belive that we all share his faulty/selective memory?

    “These measures could be seen more as a means to address the anxieties a minority of people may have against Muslims and their religious life, rather than the scourge of terrorism itself,” he said.

    “Dr Shafi also said he detected “McCarthyist undertones” in the plans to create blacklists and exclude and ban people those deemed to be extremists….” You don’t have to be a ‘McCarhtyist’ to quite reasonably do that.

    “Mr Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, said the announcement was a “missed opportunity to really engage the Muslim community”…..”

    Another ‘important-sounding’ muslim organisation. The UK authorities have been bending over backwards to ‘engage the Muslim community’ for decades. So they haven’t succeeded? Now, why might that be? Possibly because ‘really engaging the muslim community’ – as far as THEY are concerned – probably means acceding to their ever-increasing demands so they end up running the show.

    “But Fiyaz Mughal, director of the interfaith Faith Matters organisation, said…”

    What did he say, I wonder? And why is HE running an ‘interfaith’ organisation when his own ‘faith’ clearly states that other faiths don’t matter/are inferior/should not exist….. This is farcical!

    • Linde Barrera says

      Oct 19, 2015 at 1:52 pm

      Hi jsyell- I know you live in Great Britain. (You know I live in Brooklyn, NY USA.) I agree with your post of 12:53 pm, Oct. 19, 2015. I would like your opinion on this: Do you think these counter terrorism measures as outlined by Theresa May will help stop the radicalization of the average person of GB? I don’t care what the big-wigs of Islam in GB say. To me, it is “getting into the mind” of the young person, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, that will help stop the perpetuation of atrocities. I am grateful for your response.

      • Linde Barrera says

        Oct 19, 2015 at 1:53 pm

        Sorry, I thought I typed “jayell”.

      • jayell says

        Oct 19, 2015 at 7:41 pm

        Hello Linde from Brooklyn! I live in north-east London (one of the expensive leafy bits that still just about resembles part of the English capital)

        What do I think about these counter-terrorism measures? Well, it’s just typical British ‘pie-in-the-sky-and-head-in-the-sand’, ‘closing the stable door after the horse has bolted’ knee-jerk, sticking-plaster-on-the-broken-leg, ‘don’t my soundbites look good on the TV’ vaudeville politics. John Cleese (of Monty Python) could probably write a more convincing script. Figuratively speaking, what else do you do when you’ve allowed your proverbial brand-spanking-new-multi-culti ‘Robin Hood and his Merrie Men’ Disney-style theme park to be staffed by Ali Baba and his Forty Thieves, and try a bit of bluster to kid Joe Public that ‘everything’s just dandy’ and the show’s still ‘gonna go on!!’ when everyone can see that the ‘attendants’ have got their spanners out and lurking ready to sabotage the rides? Oh, and you can’t sack the ‘attendants’. They’ll riot.
        Sorry, if you wanted a serious answer, that’s the best I can do.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Oct 20, 2015 at 8:08 pm

      Actually, there are many ways to “engage the muzlim community”. It has been painfully clear that Great Britain has simply not found the right ones.

    • Diana says

      Oct 21, 2015 at 5:59 am

      Here is the remainder of the BBC article.

      **********************************************

      But Fiyaz Mughal, director of the interfaith Faith Matters organisation, said there was much in the plans that could “help in the battle against those who promote extremism”.

      Analysis
      Robin Brant, BBC political correspondent

      At the heart of this considerable strategy on counter extremism are two significant challenges for the prime minister: the internet and the law.

      Getting inciteful content off the web and getting “counter narrative” content up there is key to harnessing the full potential of a medium that IS has already mastered. There has been much focus on the mosques but bedroom radicalisation is something the prime minister and MI5 worry intensely about. The process of trying to persuade Facebook, Twitter and other social media giants to help is ongoing.

      On the second point, the plans to introduce new powers to restrict what extremists can do and where they can go are still in their legal infancy. The government concedes they will need to be properly targeted. It is still consulting with lawyers and community groups to try to get the balance right.

      Police estimate at least 700 people from the UK have travelled to support or fight for jihadist organisations in Syria and Iraq, such as the so-called Islamic State, and the government believes tackling non-violent extremism is key to stemming the flow of people. Parents of children aged under 16 have had the power to request the cancellation of passports – even where a child has taken or hidden the actual document – since July. That power is being extended to parents of 16 and 17-year-olds, allowing families to contact a passport office where officials will investigate their concerns before a final decision is taken by the home secretary. Mrs May said the measure had only been used by “a small number” of parents since July, but it was part of a package of new powers that would help tackle extremism.

      Shadow policing minister Jack Dromey said it was “crucial we get the balance right” and that Mr Cameron must “be very careful not to use the language he used earlier in the summer that somehow the Muslim community is not standing up to terrorism”.

      Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron said the announcements amounted to “rhetoric that may well divide communities and make our job of working with those communities to find and isolate terrorists and potential terrorists that much harder”.

  5. Miao Zedong says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 12:55 pm

    It can’t be a bad thing if muslims are enraged.

    I agree with Mr. Spencer that the objective is formulated in an dishonest way but in my opinion what matters is that measures will be taken against “islamist” intolerance, mysogeny and discrimination.

    The sugarcoating is for the “good doers” only. If they ever start debating, for instance why there is resistance against fighting mysogeny from muslims in general and not only “islamists” they may finally have their eyes opened.

    We’ll see.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Oct 20, 2015 at 8:14 pm

      It has been clear from the history of David Cameron and Theresa May that measures will not, in fact, be taken against izlamist intolerance. They mean to shut down dissent, just as the Usurper-in-Chief, and the harpy that now heads the DOJ, plan to do with their “Strong Cities Network” – a brainchild of the bureaucratic fiends at the UN.

  6. Angemon says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 12:59 pm

    Deradicalisation classes will be made mandatory for others deemed a threat.

    Huh, how is this supposed to work? Are devout muslims clamoring for the subjugation of non-muslims going to attend the same “classes” than non-muslims who warn about the threat of islam? That should prove entertaining: “Listen up, John Bull, I know what you wrote in your blog, but islam doesn’t teach the subjugation of non-muslims because of their religion. The same goes to you, Muhammad Muhammad. When you killed those people with a meat cleaver in the middle of the street while quoting from the quran you were betraying your own religion. As for you, Average Joe, you shot Mohammed Muhammad to stop him from killing anyone else. Don’t you can’t go around shooting people on the street? Don’t you know that’s extremist behaviour?”.

  7. Michael Copeland says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    “May targets ‘all those who spread hate’”, says the BBC. All?
    “Allah (SWT) tells you to … hate those whom He tells you to hate …
    Therefore you must love the Muslims … and hate the kuffaar … .”
    From Muslims Against Voting
    “As a muslim I must have hatred towards everything which is non-Islam.”
    Anjem Choudary.
    The “excellent pattern” for muslims to show to non-muslims is:
    “between us and you animosity and hatred forever” Koran 60:4,
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5968-islam-instructs-hatred-muslims-speak

    • Diana says

      Oct 21, 2015 at 6:01 am

      I’m pretty sure that Anjem Choudary is one of the people whom she is targeting.

  8. vlparker says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 2:16 pm

    “Home Secretary Theresa May said non-violent extremism could not go ‘uncontested’ as it led to the erosion of women’s rights, the spread of intolerance and bigotry and the separation of some communities ‘from the mainstream.’ She said that applied to neo-Nazi extremism just as much as Islamist doctrine.”

    Is she going to apply it to herself, since she is “extremely” stupid?

  9. Gleaner1 says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    There’s a lot going on in the UK at the moment with the re negotiation of our membership of the EU plus the debate over mass unwanted immigration, but rest assured, that while this regime is suffering delusions of adequacy over their solutions to the Muslim terror problem, the very next time an incident happens and innocent people are hurt, you may see a more forthright response from the people.

    May and call me “Dave” fear that.

    What is more worrying is the closure of our free press freedoms after 300 years, you can guess what will be covered up from 3 November, and if we speak out – BANG {mind your fingers as the cell door closes}.

  10. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    So now the Moslems aren’t even satisfied with equivalency? I mean, c’mon, Islam is the source of all terrorism in the world, you give them equivalency as in all the other belief systems are mass murdering too, and they have the nerve to complain. Maybe this is because they feel that nobody will believe it, and nobody except the ruling elites and news entertainers will, nobody else will. So where are they going with this? It looks like they’d prefer to see mass murder and the threat of it no longer mentioned at all. And that is an attainable goal; just look at Sweden.

  11. John Hartley says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    Surely Islam is a form of spiritual Nazism. Remember the way Muslims flocked to Adolf Hitler’s aid.

    • Richie says

      Oct 19, 2015 at 5:46 pm

      Both the Muslims and Nazis seek the murder of all Jews, and both Muslims and Nazis are fascists , so they are one in the same

  12. Mirren10 says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    Stable door, horse bolting …

    ”Radical preachers will be banned from posting material online …”

    Are they going to confiscate their computers, tablets, smartphones et al ? Or just send them a cross letter ? Or stop their jizya ? Or monitor their mosques, 24/7 ? (good idea). Or maybe they’ll adopt sharia and chop off the hands of those naughty ‘radical’ preachers.

    ”Deradicalisation classes will be made mandatory for others deemed a threat.”

    Well, you can force them to go by threatening to cut off their jizya, (sorry, I mean benefits), but how is ‘deradicalisation’ going to work once they’re there ? What are they going to tell them ? The koran says what it says. End of.

    ”A full review of public institutions such as schools, further and higher education colleges, local authorities, the NHS and the civil service to ensure they are protected from “entryism” – or infiltration – by extremists”

    We are **already** infiltrated by muslims; include in that list, the police, the armed forces, the judiciary, **and the government itself**. This is risible. Are the ‘nice, moderate muslims’ going to police this ? Are they going to tell the government what to look for ? What about all the muslim ‘extremists’ in jail ? Are they going to be prevented from threatening and intimidating, carrying out dawa etc, and if so, how ?

    ”An official investigation into the application of Sharia law in the UK” Considering there are now more than *85* known sharia courts, and probably more, operating out of all the Bradford Bilal’s, Rotherham Rajib’s front rooms, and garden sheds, this is going to take some time. And lots of money.

    ”Extremism disruption orders to stop individuals engaging in extremist behaviour”

    Are these (no doubt they will be called EDO’s) going to be as successful as ASBO’s ?

    ”Closure orders for law enforcement and local authorities to close down premises used to support extremism
    Tougher powers for broadcasting regulator Ofcom so action can be taken against radio and television channels showing extremist content
    Demands that internet service providers do more to remove extremist material and identify those responsible for it.”

    This will be used against groups such as LibertyGB, the EDL, and anyone who dares to speak the truth about islam. muslims will slither, as they always do.

    ”Anyone with a conviction or civil order for extremist activity will also be automatically barred from working with children and vulnerable people”

    Will this apply to Paul Weston, arrested for quoting Winston Churchill on the steps of a town hall ? Or members of the EDL, arrested for attending a demo ? Some of them probably work with ‘children and vulnerable people’ – are they going to lose their jobs ?

    ***Prime Minister David Cameron said the plan would work because it was “comprehensive”
    Home Secretary Theresa May said non-violent extremism could not go “uncontested … She said that applied to neo-Nazi extremism just as much as Islamist doctrine”***

    And that is the fatal flaw.

    Whilst I don’t doubt that some of the more egregious and public examples of islamic ‘extremism’ like choudhary and his cohorts, will be *seen* to be dealt with, I think it far more likely that these measures will be used to silence and stifle, as Mr Spencer opines, **anyone** who speaks, or writes, the truth about islam and jihad, and muslim immigration.

    Until, and unless, camoron and may stop wittering a load of rubbish about ‘all extremism’, accept that the only *real threat* to our lives is from **islam**, and **stop all muslim immigration now**, this is nothing more than a cosmetic exercise designed to make them look tough, while they use these measures to get rid of any opposition to the government.

    I said all this in letters today to camoron, may, and my MP, for all the good it will do.

    • Wellington says

      Oct 19, 2015 at 6:15 pm

      Excellent post, Mirren. My God, people like Cameron and May (and America has more than enough of these types too) seem absolutely determined to refuse to consider that the term “radical Islam” is redundant. The price for this willful ignorance is both greater danger for the UK body politic as well as an incremental implementation of an Orwellian state, which has definitely been further advanced in Britain than here in America. A most unholy trinity is political correctness, multiculturalism and Islam. It’s a triple whammy against freedom, common sense and old-fashion patriotism, which is one trinity I can definitely support.

      Tragic. Stupid. Dangerous. A pox on all the Camerons, Obamas, Mays and Kerrys out there. They’re truly disgusting.

      • Veronica says

        Oct 20, 2015 at 6:32 am

        Wellington : No they are not disgusting, they are idealists like me – very silly when you are faced with people who have no concern for your rights. I have been a Liberal my whole life, but it has become apparent to me that this view of life cannot stand when faced with those who only want to destroy you.That is the big problem. I hate no-one personally, but I do hate this nasty Muslim ‘faith’ which it has become obvious to me, have no interest in being part of a multicultural lifestyle.That is what the issue is now – all of us who have benevolent feelings towards ‘those others’ now have to learn that if they are dangerous that benevolence has to be put aside while we get control back and keep any ideology from moving into power – THAT is what they want to do !! I am now warned and primed – others will follow, but unfortunately the problem is that those who have the ‘power’ in society do not want any kind of rebellion going on – it makes them nervous – and they will try to keep everybody ‘quiet’ based on who is complaining the loudest. Once laws are being changed to accommodate someone’s claims, things are in bad shape. The UK is in grave danger if it changes it’s laws for the sake of ‘peace & quiet’ (Brits do love their peace & quiet)
        I am a Brit living in the US, but I am watching in horror !

        • Wellington says

          Oct 20, 2015 at 10:01 pm

          Well, Veronica, some idealists can still be disgusting, especially when their “idealism” imperils freedom, which is exactly the case in our age many times over with clueless idealists.

          I mean, idealism is only a good thing if it is wise and informed. If it is not, then it is at best a nothing, at worst a terrible something. I would argue that right now in the West faux idealism is EVEN worse than Islam, a very terrible “something,” because it gives cover to the iniquity which is Islam (the most recent example of such being the election yesterday of a true fool to the office of Prime Minister in Canada). If no cover, then evil is far more easily exposed and right now the idealism of the Left (and way too many times not confronted by wussies on the Right who know the truth of things but are too timid to state the truth) is Islam’s greatest ally, bar none.

          And, oh yes, the UK is indeed in grave danger and I for one, who is a great admirer of the British monarchy, is so disappointed with the present British monarch who has said nothing as her nation slips into a nation where freedom has been greatly eroded and the spiritual fascism which is Islam has been greatly enhanced. Shame on Elizabeth Ii for this. And I am fully aware of the constitutional limitations on the British monarch, but if the British monarch can’t speak up when her nation is dying, then what in the hell is the monarchy really good for other than tourist attractions? As LBJ said of the American Presidency, if you can’t put it on the line at times, it’s worth nothing. Ditto for the British monarchy.

  13. DRHazard says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    I don’t think many politicians understand the depth of religious identity among Muslims. Devout Muslims are uniformly of the belief that God opposes any form of governance other than Shariah (which, of course, is man-made). Those are the Muslims who find that the words of Allah command that they fight infidels until they are dead or subjugated. There is no way to re-educate them out of their beliefs since it will be viewed as a denial of their religion. And that’s why all such plans fail, because they never admit that the major source of the problem is the religion of Islam itself and that the only solution is mass apostasy. If the Quran is the direct word of Allah then why would any believer adjust his views to line up with the will of a sectarian government official? And no one thinks the British government is serious about dealing with the problem anyway. Hell, they looked the other way for years while Muslim rape gangs ruined the lives of hundreds if not thousands of non-Muslim girls They are more concerned with Muslims being offended by comments and cartoons than they are about Muslims murdering the commentators and cartoonists. Why should a Muslim take seriously anything from someone who has discarded their own common sense?

  14. No Fear says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    If the UK muslims are enraged then maybe they could move to a muslim majority country.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 19, 2015 at 9:39 pm

      No–they just want to turn England into a Muslim-ruled country. Just think of the booty! Muslims certainly do…

      • Angemon says

        Oct 20, 2015 at 7:58 am

        gravenimage posted:

        “Just think of the booty! Muslims certainly do…”

        That they do, GI:

        http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6562-and-take-their-wives-as-war-booty

  15. revereridesagain says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 5:05 pm

    As a female non-violent “extremist” I would like to know why that silly cow in the wallpaper-from-hell dress equates my extreme opposition to Islamic Sharia law with “erosion of women’s rights” or “neo”-Nazis-who-were-allies-of-Islam. She can’t justify it, of course, she just babbles the PC brain-rinse-and-repeat-line and hopes we won’t notice that she really means it to apply to anyone who doesn’t dhimmi-prostrate themself to their Muslim overlords. Holding back on the sticks and stones and bone-breaking for now and hoping that name-calling will silence the troublemakers.

    “Radical preachers will be banned from posting material online…”? “Preachers” as in “imams”, “mullahs”, “sheikhs” and whatever shoe fits Adam Choudary? I’ll believe it when I see it. More likely Pat Condell’s videos will disappear long before anything from Choudary gets the axe. Will Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller be allowed into Britain once again, or do they still equate with an “extremist ideology”, namely, freedom of speech?

    As for “McCarthyist undertones”, McCarthy, however ineptly, sought to investigate a very real danger of Communist infiltration of our government as described by Diana West in “American Betrayal”. Of course such scrutiny was considered very “un-PC” by the left-leaners of that time and was condemned as “Red-baiting”, the 1950s equivalent of Trendy-Totalitarianophobia and thus a natural to be adopted by Dr. Shafi and his “brothers” in Allahusnackbar. Failure to decisively expunge adoration of collectivism from our culture eventually led to what has been occupying the White House and associated environs for the past seven years. Britain appears to be even further down the same track, and right on schedule.

  16. Richie says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    Critics of homicidal Muslims will face arrest- Homicidal Muslims will remain a protected class.

    I suspect any day Pat Condell and Douglas Murray will be arrested for speaking the truth about Islam

    • EYESOPEN says

      Oct 20, 2015 at 8:21 pm

      Exactly.

  17. More Ham Ed says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 5:44 pm

    Great photo…Cameron…”what have I done.”

  18. kay says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 7:16 pm

    Have read the original BBC article. There is now a separate BBC commentary article.
    (c) 2015 BBC Educational purpose asserted

    Can David Cameron’s extremism plan work?
    Dominic Casciani Home affairs correspondent 19 October 2015
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34566518
    _______________________
    The government is talking about new specific deradicalisation programmes and “empowering” the UK’s Syrians, Iraqis and Kurds to take a lead role in speaking out.

    How exactly they plan to do this remains unclear – not least because there are very few people who are qualified to carry out deradicalisation work.
    …
    And what that tells us is some of these proposals will ultimately come down to a fight over how to define extremism in an open society – and whether a policy aspiration can become clear and workable law. Expect serious legal fireworks in Parliament and in the courts for years to come.
    …
    Today’s plan to throw £5m over the next six months at groups prepared to join government in combating militants is likely to face some of the same critics – but it will also be welcomed by many community organisations who are crying out for funding and support to challenge extremism where they find it.
    ____________________

    My response is this. Yes, there is an accusation that Muslims are “inherently apart” from British society. This charge is demonstrably well founded.
    Anyone who supports Sharia in Britain is a complete traitor, due to the fundamentally divisive, destructive, arbitrary and totalitarian NATURE of Sharia.
    Sharia is fascism of the worst kind. Sharia is Islamic fascism.
    It therefore follows that all who peacefully and constructively oppose Islamofascist Sharia law are loyal to society, civilization, and humanity, and such people must be aided and not hindered in their work to defend society from this criminal gang of slavers, rapists, pirates, genocidal murderers, terrorists and theocrats.

    May and Cameron can start by going thru the main book on the subject. This text ( see following ) should be standard issue for all who are working on this issue.

    Liberte’. Egalite’. Fraternite’. Laicite’.

    Sharia Versus Freedom: The Legacy of Islamic Totalitarianism Hardcover – September 18, 2012 by Andrew G. Bostom (Author)
    Hardcover: 735 pages Publisher: Prometheus Books (September 18, 2012)
    ISBN-10: 1616146664

    See also
    http://www.andrewbostom.org/

    And other books by Dr. Andrew Bostom.

    I dedicate the merit of this post to the late Lee Rigby.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby

  19. Michael Cicero says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    MESSAGE FROM GERMANY

    A Female Physician in Munich, Germany sends a message to the world . . . . . .

    Yesterday, at the hospital we had a meeting about how the situation here and at the other Munich hospitals is unsustainable. Clinics cannot handle emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to the hospitals.

    Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff and, we, women, are refusing to go among those animals, especially from Africa. Relations between the staff and migrants are going from bad to worse. Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.

    Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we, in Europe, do not know how to treat them. If they receive a prescription in the pharmacy, they learn they have to pay cash. This leads to unbelievable outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for the children. They abandon the children with pharmacy staff with the words: “So, cure them here yourselves!” So the police are not just guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also large pharmacies.

    Truly we said openly: Where are all those who had welcomed in front of TV cameras, with signs at train stations?! Yes, for now, the border has been closed, but a million of them are already here and we will definitely not be able to get rid of them.

    Until now, the number of unemployed in Germany was 2.2 million. Now it will be at least 3.5 million. Most of these people are completely unemployable. A bare minimum of them have any education. What is more, their women usually do not work at all. I estimate that one in ten is pregnant. Hundreds of thousands of them have brought along infants and little kids under six, many emaciated and neglected. If this continues and German re-opens its borders, I’m going home to the Czech Republic. Nobody can keep me here in this situation, not even double the salary than at home. I went to Germany, not to Africa or the Middle East.

    Even the professor who heads our department told us how sad it makes him to see the cleaning woman, who for 800 Euros cleans every day for years, and then meets young men in the hallways who just wait with their hand outstretched, want everything for free, and when they don’t get it they throw a fit.

    I really don’t need this! But I’m afraid that if I return, that at some point it will be the same in the Czech Republic. If the Germans, with their nature cannot handle this, there in Czechia it would be total chaos. Nobody who has not come in contact with them has no idea what kind of animals they are, especially the ones from Africa, and how Muslims act superior to our staff, regarding their religious accommodation.

    For now, the local hospital staff has not come down with the diseases they brought here, but, with so many hundreds of patients every day – this is just a question of time.

    In a hospital near the Rhine, migrants attacked the staff with knives after they had handed over an 8-month-old on the brink of death, which they had dragged across half of Europe for three months. The child died in two days, despite having received top care at one of the best pediatric clinics in Germany. The physician had to undergo surgery and two nurses are laid up in the ICU. Nobody has been punished.

    The local press is forbidden to write about it, so we know about it through email. What would have happened to a German if he had stabbed a doctor and nurses with a knife? Or if he had flung his own syphilis-infected urine into a nurse’s face and so threatened her with infection? At a minimum he’d go straight to jail and later to court. With these people – so far, nothing has happened.

    And so I ask, where are all those greeters and receivers from the train stations? Sitting pretty at home, enjoying their non-profits and looking forward to more trains and their next batch of cash from acting like greeters at the stations. If it were up to me I would round up all these greeters and bring them here first to our hospital’s emergency ward, as attendants. Then, into one building with the migrants so they can look after them there themselves, without armed police, without police dogs who today are in every hospital here in Bavaria, and without medical help.

    Posted yesterday by Brexit

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 19, 2015 at 9:44 pm

      Chilling, Michael.

  20. Dave J says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    Muslims are perpetually “enraged” by anything that offends their arrogant ideology or stands in the way of their goal of world domination.

    They are Nazis with swords, beards and facemasks. Why do we listen to their complaints?

  21. Kepha says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 8:18 pm

    for both the UK and USA, I fear, there is a good bit of uncivil unrest in the future. Our chattering, governing, legal, and “Kulcharal” classes have seen to that–and all with the best of intentions.

  22. David says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    The hard, cold fact and reality is that Islamic radicalisation asks a very pertinent question which none in the west are addressing.

    Why are so many youths running away from western principles, ideals, materialism and consumerism if it is so wonderful and so much better or is it??

    This radicalisation reflects badly upon western civilisation in that it offers no vision for its youth other than to make money, get rich and party.

    Youth feel empty and these material things no longer sustain them. Radicalisation is as much a condemnation of the spiritual bankruptcy of the west as it is of its jihadust perpetrators for if the west’s ideals were so captivating why are youth in droves running away from them??

    What are we doing to keep our youth? Do they all have jobs and meaningful lives? Do they have a vision? But western governments in order to compensate just throw unemployment benefits at their youth hopefully to distract them.

    The west needs to take a long hard look at itself as to what kind of society its consumerism model is creating. Youth are abandoning it in exchange for death. Their willingness to be radicalised is a death sentence pronounced on western materialism as inadequate to fulfill their spiritual needs.

    They go everywhere searching for fulfilment and a vision and it’s tragic that so far they seem to be only able to find it in terrorism.

    People hate the world we live in. They are ready to die to change it even if their world is worse. You can’t fight radicalism. You have to offer something better in its place.

    Only turning on the lights gets rid of darkness. Condemning darkness does absolutely nothing. The west must fight radicalisation with a better ideology. Until then radicalisation can’t be stopped as its a symptom of the west’s spiritual bankruptcy.

    These condemnations are laughable. Put something better in radicalisation’ solace then things will change.

    • Angemon says

      Oct 19, 2015 at 8:39 pm

      David posted:

      “The hard, cold fact and reality is that Islamic radicalisation asks a very pertinent question which none in the west are addressing.

      Why are so many youths running away from western principles, ideals, materialism and consumerism if it is so wonderful and so much better or is it??”

      Allow me to answer that for you: because they’re muslims and grew up being taught to hate non-muslims and anything not related to islam. People have been disliking consumerism for decades now. Disenchanted Westerners became, for example, hippies and started their own counter-culture. Muslims became jihadis, and they hate any non-islamic culture, whether capitalism, socialism, communism, or any other -ism other than “islamism”.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 19, 2015 at 10:41 pm

      David wrote:

      The hard, cold fact and reality is that Islamic radicalisation asks a very pertinent question which none in the west are addressing.

      Why are so many youths running away from western principles, ideals, materialism and consumerism if it is so wonderful and so much better or is it??
      ………………………………….

      Where to start? Firstly, the idea that most Jihadists are “reverts” is utterly false. The fact is that there are few converts to Islam in the free West–and most of those who are were already violent criminals, not ordinary young people. This is why one of the few places where Islamic Da’wa tends to be successful is in the prisons.

      The fact is that virtually all Jihadists were raised as Muslims, and were steeped in the vicious creed of Islam from their earliest days.

      Another thing that is absurd is equating Western principles and ideals with “materialism and consumerism”.

      Did you somehow miss the Western values of liberty, equality, intellectual curiosity, and improvement–both personal and societal?

      There are plenty of Westerners who don’t live their lives around materialism and consumerism at all. The idea that young people–or anyone–in the West is somehow compelled to adopt consumerism–or that their only alternative is to embrace savage Islam–is utterly absurd.

      Moreover–the idea that Islam is opposed to materialism is an odd one–this is a faith that sacralizes living off the “filthy Infidel”; theft, ransom, booty, demanding Jizya (protection money), and even enslavement. How can you find any of this brutal exploitation superior to even the worst materialism in the West?

      More:

      This radicalisation reflects badly upon western civilisation in that it offers no vision for its youth other than to make money, get rich and party.

      Youth feel empty and these material things no longer sustain them. Radicalisation is as much a condemnation of the spiritual bankruptcy of the west as it is of its jihadust perpetrators for if the west’s ideals were so captivating why are youth in droves running away from them??
      ………………………………….

      What utter rot. Youth in the West are going to college, volunteering, starting businesses, going on missions abroad–the idea that they are all flocking to Islam is ludicrous.

      Virtually all those running off to the Islamic State are *already Muslim*.

      More:

      What are we doing to keep our youth? Do they all have jobs and meaningful lives? Do they have a vision? But western governments in order to compensate just throw unemployment benefits at their youth hopefully to distract them.
      ………………………………….

      Actually, most are looking for meaning–in fact, the main purpose of youth is to find your own path. The idea that the West is somehow failing its youth if it doesn’t supply them with automatic meaning is completely wrongheaded. The fact is that there is nowhere in the world–or throughout history–as open to youthful exploration as is the modern West.

      Again, your idea that most Western youth are now flocking to violent Islam simply is not borne out by reality.

      More:

      The west needs to take a long hard look at itself as to what kind of society its consumerism model is creating. Youth are abandoning it in exchange for death. Their willingness to be radicalised is a death sentence pronounced on western materialism as inadequate to fulfill their spiritual needs.

      They go everywhere searching for fulfilment and a vision and it’s tragic that so far they seem to be only able to find it in terrorism.
      ………………………………….

      In what way do you consider terrorism a “cure” for consumerism?

      You also don’t explain, if you believe that waging Jihad terror is a protest against consumerism, that Jihadists are attacking Infidels in places where there is very little materialism–western China, southern Thailand and the Philippines, Burma, sub-Saharan Africa–what is is that you believe pious Muslims are protesting *there*?

      And Jihad is nothing new–what is it you think they were protesting back in the Dark Ages? This was centuries before Capitalism even existed.

      More:

      People hate the world we live in. They are ready to die to change it even if their world is worse. You can’t fight radicalism. You have to offer something better in its place.
      ………………………………….

      Almost everything the West offers–even its flaws and shortcomings–are *already* better than the horrors of Jihad and Shari’ah. If you don’t recognize this, then you are a moral idiot.

      And your claim that “people hate the world we live in” isn’t something I find on a regular basis. Who, exactly, are you dealing with?

      More:

      Only turning on the lights gets rid of darkness. Condemning darkness does absolutely nothing. The west must fight radicalisation with a better ideology. Until then radicalisation can’t be stopped as its a symptom of the west’s spiritual bankruptcy.

      These condemnations are laughable. Put something better in radicalisation’ solace then things will change.
      ………………………………….

      This is *absolute crap*. The idea that if only the West were perfect that Muslims would not attack us is utterly false.

      The fact is that Islam is a completely alien value system–Muslims hate us because we do not all convert to Islam, follow barbaric Shari’ah, and impose Muslim supremacism.

      There *are* problems in the West. There is, as always, room for improvement. But none of this will end the Jihad against us.

      The fact is that much of what Muslims hate us for are our *virtues*–regarding women as equals, refusing to judicially murder gay people, championing education, allowing religious freedom and freedom of speech, protecting little girls from child marriage.

      Despite what you may like to believe, the fact is that Muslims hate us for our ethics more than for our failings.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Oct 20, 2015 at 8:31 pm

      David wrote:

      “Only turning on the lights gets rid of darkness. Condemning darkness does absolutely nothing. The west must fight radicalisation with a better ideology. Until then radicalisation can’t be stopped as its a symptom of the west’s spiritual bankruptcy.”

      The West – particularly Europe – DID have something better. It is called Christianity. But it no longer “appealed” to the masses, as too many were shallow and self-seeking dolts. So they threw it away for “secular humanism”; and what has it gotten them?

      I guarantee you, that when you throw God out of the culture of the people, you will NOT like what comes to fill the vacuum.

  23. Dave J says

    Oct 19, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    Western culture is suffering an existential threat as young people tire of consumerism and crony capitalism and long for something more spiritually fulfilling.

    The question is why would they embrace Islam rather than Buddhism, Hinduism or any other religion or ideology. Perhaps because Islam requires little introspection, moral judgement or independent thought, while offering up the politics of resentment and “freedom fighting”.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 19, 2015 at 10:45 pm

      I don’t believe this is the case at all. The problem is that we in the West are allowing violent supremacist Muslims to flood into the West. *That* is the problem–not disaffected Western youth.

      And God only knows why you–like the other David–appear to believe that threatening and murdering people in the name of a vicious creed is more “spiritually fulfilling” than even the worst excesses of the West. I certainly don’t.

    • Raja says

      Oct 20, 2015 at 10:08 am

      Dave J,

      True, materialism and crony capitalism cannot be fulfilling for man. Those NEVER WILL.

      Have you considered the mountain of lies, deception and propaganda that goes into converting one dumb ass to islam? Of course there are thousands who leave Islam according to Wikipedia that goes unnoticed. I am NOT ruling out a massive machinery of Islam that thwarts such news.

      You suggest to say that Islam offers spirituality which is FAR from TRUTH. Islam itself offers all kinds of ill gotten booty and the same is offered in the eternity. The offer of 72 virgins is a point to note about “spirituality”

      TO SUM UP:

      Man tends to fall for lust of the eyes, lust of the body and lust to be a star if not a super star.

      Satan used this effectively on Eve and Islam uses it for the cause of Satan’s expansionism to take away the freedom to choose.

  24. duj)swami says

    Oct 20, 2015 at 8:48 am

    Everyone is a extremist, except you and me, but I’m not so sure about you…
    Extremism is just another leftist/liberal buzz word, like ‘radical’…
    To rule and control requires extremism. Zero tolerance is extremism…May i a hypocrite, since she would use her own extremism, backed by gov extremism, to rule and control others.

  25. Cameron says

    Oct 21, 2015 at 6:40 am

    Do Muslim thugs on the streets of the civilized world expressing their intolerance for anything “unislamic” and pushing sharia compliance get charged with ‘hate crimes’? – If not then it should be treated as such and strongly enforced.

    Also police really must find a way to surround and mass-arrest (with riot police) the pop-up gangs of Muslim thugs who appear quickly to defend their criminal brethren from being arrested by police withing minutes of the sight of police in the area. Pop-up gangs of unemployed Muslims ready to violently defend the known criminals amongst them should all be arrested and have any benefits cancelled if they are caught using violence or intimidation.
    Also individuals who ‘claim to speak for the muslim community’ who incite violence and/or intolerance (hate crimes) should be investigated thoroughly, charged if necessary. and removed from those positions of influence in the community and assets siezed if found to be guilty of any financial frauds. Islamic finance, my arse…

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