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Video: Robert Spencer on ISIS: A struggle of life vs. death

Oct 2, 2015 3:51 pm By Robert Spencer

On September 17, 2015, I spoke at the David Horowitz Freedom Center’s Wednesday Morning Club in Los Angeles about how the fight against the Islamic State is nothing less than the struggle of life vs. death.

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  1. Beagle says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    The jihadists’ love of death is a strong foundation upon which we can base interfaith outreach and build bridges of understanding between our culture and Islam… 2000 lbs at a time.

    • mortimer says

      Oct 2, 2015 at 9:49 pm

      The 2000-lb. solution should be part of a total strategy that includes psychological warfare to deprogram Muslims.

    • Joseph says

      Oct 2, 2015 at 10:14 pm

      You guys should think a tad bit larger

      • abad says

        Oct 3, 2015 at 10:14 am

        No, even bigger than that.

        Most of us see those dead eyes these Muslims have – but can you imagine the insides of their bodies?

        From a psychological viewpoint, when one is so consumed with hatred and death-obssessed as ISL is, the mindset eventually turns on its host. I’m sure they all have cancer or something as bad, causing the insides of their bodies to deteriorate.

        Really, the best solution is to let these monsters be eaten alive by their own hatred and evil.

        • Joseph says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 5:52 pm

          abad, JESUS CHRIST described these types of people when He was referring to the scribes and pharisees. He called them whited sepulchres.
          Matthew 23:27
          Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
          The Bible has much wisdom for every man, woman and child.
          ________________________________
          “Really, the best solution is to let these monsters be eaten alive by their own hatred and evil.”

          This is so true, hatred and evil are more destructive than any acid or explosive known to man.

    • Jayke says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 6:26 am

      Those who love life … love life so much more than those who love death … that they will give those who love death… the death they so love.

      • Jayke says

        Oct 3, 2015 at 6:29 am

        Those who love life … love life so much more than those who love death … love death … that they will give those who love death… the death they so love.

    • Lia Wissing says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 7:36 am

      Thank you, Mr Spencer!

  2. jihad3tracker says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 5:13 pm

    Robert has spent more than a decade of his life memorizing citations from the Trilogy ( thenceforth to show contextually, in books, monographs, JW posts how they produce what jihadis around the world do every day.

    But for little old me, and perhaps thousands of others here who read his blog, wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could reduce Islam’s celebration of death down to one simple fact? Well, lo and behold, THAT IS POSSIBLE ! ! !

    “How, J3T?” you ask. By keeping this in mind constantly: THE QUR’AN COMES ENTIRELY FROM MUHAMMAD’S NEED FOR AN ARMY TO OVERCOME OPPOSITION AND GIVE VICTORY TO HIM. If that requires “Allah” to promise glory and sexual favors for warriors dying in battle, so be it.

    • jihad3tracker says

      Oct 2, 2015 at 5:23 pm

      —— Addendum for precision: Muhammad’s need for an army (AFTER THE HIJRAH) produced Suras of abrogation. No true “god” would be so relentlessly bloodthirsty, but an Arab who failed to convert by persuasion WOULD BE DETERMINED FOR REVENGE. ——-

  3. Daniel Triplett says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    Brilliant, persuasive speech and Q & A Robert. You’re a true leader.

    I hope there’s a senior advisory role for you in the Ted Cruz Administration.

    • Wellington says

      Oct 2, 2015 at 8:22 pm

      I think it pertinent here, Daniel, to note that Cruz criticized Dr. Ben Carson for what he said about the importance of a Muslim not becoming POTUS should such a Muslim be beholden to Sharia Law. I like Cruz in general but his criticism of the good doctor was definitely a negative and indicative, once again, that even way too many conservatives to this very day just simply don’t realize Islam for being the spiritual fascism which it is.

      • Daniel Triplett says

        Oct 2, 2015 at 9:05 pm

        Thanks for sharing that Wellington.

        Crap, I was so into him too. So disappointed Ted feels that way. Jeez, I was even ready to start volunteering for his campaign.

        If Ted has no problem with a Muslim in the WH, then I have a problem with Ted in the WH. Does he really not get it? Is he one of those Tiny Minority of Extremists (TMOE) hijacking a religion of peace people? That’s a deal breaker for me.

        Trump doesn’t see the Islamic threat either, or does he?

        I guess I’ll go all in for Carson now. He seems pretty squared away, or am I’m missing something there too? So far, he seems like the only man with the balls to call out Islam. That’s leadership.

        Who do you like for POTUS?

        • Wellington says

          Oct 2, 2015 at 9:35 pm

          Carson, Daniel. Trump doesn’t get it (don’t forget he excoriated Pamela Geller for holding the Mohammed cartoon contest down in Garland, Texas). Fiorina, even though she has said many sane things, has also praised Islam and has done the whole nine yards of nonsense about how Islamic terrorists don’t represent “the real Islam.”

          Now, maybe people like Cruz, Trump and Fiorina will learn (and I believe they have this capacity), but to date the only person running for President who has stated the truth about Islam is Dr. Ben Carson. Yep, to date he’s the only one.

          And since what Islam intends for America and all the West is beyond repressive and repulsive, and since Islam is the single greatest threat of our time, and since Carson is the only person in the race for POTUS so far to at least half realize this (and hopefully even far more than half), he’s my choice to date for the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet, which the current occupant of the Oval Office, for whatever base or stupid reasons, has done his best to negate this necessary power in a world which sorely needs it.

          Right now, it’s Carson for me. Things may change. Carson may disappoint. Others may rise to the occasion. Yes indeed, things are very fluid right now. Big time. Very.

        • Arthur says

          Oct 2, 2015 at 10:05 pm

          When Dr. Ben Carson made his statement about the divided loyalties a devout Muslim president would have, and then displayed his understanding of taqiyya, he set himself apart from all the other candidates in my mind. For me it’s Ben Carson or bust. I sent him $5400 for his campaign and am looking to register to vote for him in the (oft neglected) primary.

          I’m of a “prepper” mentality anymore–dark clouds on the horizon and all. But I will do what I can to make democracy work.

          I don’t share Ben Carson’s views on abortion, evolution, and creationism–but I can respect them. I can’t respect views which would destroy my fundamental freedom.

        • Daniel Triplett says

          Oct 2, 2015 at 10:41 pm

          @Wellington

          Wise words from a wise man. Thank you Friend.

          You’re right. I forgot about Trump’s unacceptable attack on Pamela, Robert, and Free Speech over the Garland incident. Not cool at all. Very lame.

          Here’s a devastating article on Fiorina’s failures as a CEO and leader by Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, Head of Yale Business school. This and her ignorance on Islam make her wholly unqualified:

          http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/carly-fiorina-ceo-jeffrey-sonnenfeld-2016-213163

          I’m with you on Ben Carson. I’m impressed by his remarkable ability to keep his cool too. As you said, the election is a ways off, but he has my vote as of now.

        • Wellington says

          Oct 2, 2015 at 10:55 pm

          Thanks for the link to that politico article, Daniel. It’s certainly a dissuader respecting Fiorina.

        • Jay Boo says

          Oct 2, 2015 at 11:17 pm

          Thanks to both Daniel Triplett & Wellington. I haven’t been keeping tabs on the current batch of politicians as much as I would like.

        • Daniel Triplett says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 12:38 am

          @Arthur

          I’m proud of you for going all in for the future of our country. My four year old son and I thank you. Contributing $5400 is a big commitment to America’s future.

          I’m guessing you’re not divorced, which has reduced my wealth by 75%. I’ll try to contribute as much as I can for Ben Carson; at least $200. I’ve been wiped out with $300K in lawyers fees so far, and we’re no where near a settlement yet.

        • Daniel Triplett says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 12:44 am

          @Jay Boo

          Glad to help. We need to keep each other informed.

          I’m pleased that Wellington set me straight with the 411 on Cruz.

  4. Jeremiah says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 5:55 pm

    Obama is not refusing to understand the enemy: He is the enemy!

  5. Rikki H says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 6:35 pm

    Wonderful speech Robert, I have shared with a few like minded people on Facebook and as a status as you can sum up the whole ugly truth clearly and efficiently far better than I could trying to get people to open their eyes. I’d also like to apologize on behalf of my clueless, hopeless government for banning you from speaking in the UK, we’re a stones throw away from dhimmitude.

    • TediNeo98 says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 3:34 am

      Spot on Rikki – a neighbour who has lived in our area for 25 years, commented that muslim numbers have exploded in the last 10 years.
      You know, it’s strange how the numbers of other minority groups have not exploded on the same scale, just muslims…the hijra is clearly in full swing.

      Broadcasters are jumping on board by making sure muslims are included in every other programme – trying hard to convince us that there are “peaceful” muslims out there.
      Hindus and Sikhs who have fled to the UK escaping persecution in their own countries, must be wondering where our sanity has gone & I am standing with them wondering the same.
      It is astounding that educated journalists & mainstream broadcasters have not taken the time to read the quran and hadiths or have even visited sites like: http://islamqa.info/en
      Simply typing in “friends with non believers” brings up numerous articles as an example.

      http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3681/muslim-family-next-door

      • Rikki H says

        Oct 3, 2015 at 10:58 am

        There’s not enough unity between non Muslim groups in the UK. As Robert rightfully pointed out, the liberal media and dhimmi politicians keep slamming the half asleep population with puppies and rainbows propaganda, “the Muslim community is mostly peaceful and Islam is a peaceful religion… Blah… Blah…”… So that people go about there day and ignore the truth that is in front of them and go about their day thinking” well the news, and the politicians and celebrities all say we’ve nothing to worry about so maybe I’m just paranoid “…

        Another massive problem is that among the enlightened few who do speak out, and go to anto-refugee protests and such have corrupt, vile groups of brainwashed leftist thugs such as UAF boycotting these protests, with the blessing of the local media, who advocates this behavior.
        Then among groups like EDL, you have people who are strictly standing up as anti-jihadists only,but these ggroups attract the attention of dumbass racists, homophobes, etc.. tha tarnishes the voice of the sensible people within the group, and dissuades blacks, Hindus, and Sikhs (who share the same enemy) from even listening to the anti-jihad message rather than seeing and admitting we need to stand together whether or not we agree on everything or not. It’s created a almost completely tribal society, where each group stands alone., except for the Muslims who amass in strength and number (much to do with their indoctrinated breeding system, much more to do with our governments lax security measures, ignorance, and political correctness). And then of course there’s the left that only have to inflamethe ssituation with dishonesty, clichéd sentiments, and media backed sabotage.

  6. Karen says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    Another great speech. Especially compelling was the discussion of our hands-off approach when the new Iraqi constitution and government were being formed. The importance of this cannot be over-estimated, and is perhaps the biggest take-away from our 12+ years in Iraq; we fought a war with massive amounts of blood and treasure, then, at the most critical moment, when we could have had real influence on the new republic, we decided to take no part in the final outcome. I suppose we were trying to be good multi-culturists, and not impose our no-better-than-anything-else Western values. How much different the outcome may have been; we could have left Iraq with a framework that respected and defended Sunni, Shia, male, female, Muslim, Christian, Jew, non-religious, etc.

    • Francis Merde says

      Oct 2, 2015 at 8:13 pm

      I’ve said this for a while. The mistake the US made was not that it tried to export democracy and secular law to Afghanistan and Iraq, but that IT DIDN’T.

      • Wellington says

        Oct 2, 2015 at 8:35 pm

        Agreed, Francis, but this would have required a proper knowledge of Islam which George Bush was woeful of and which Barack Obama is even more woeful of——-or, in the case of Obama, knowledgeable of and thus even more of a stupidity, a tragedy and even a crime of the first dimension.

      • Karen says

        Oct 2, 2015 at 11:29 pm

        Well said!

  7. Westman says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    Excellent speech, Robert. Also an interesting Q&A.

    Robert mentioned Geert Wilders and how his party is standing alone in trying to save the Netherlands from self-imposed Islamization. There was a recent debate in the Netherlands Parliament( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQziOJktZlU ) in which he expains why the incoming immigration must be stopped. This is a debate to which the leaders of the Netherlands will look back and wish they had listened.

    The misdirected guilt for not accepting more refugees during WWII is readily apparent in the debate as expressed by the left and center opposition. This is a very telling debate in which it becomes obvious that the Rutte administration is a group of leftover royal soft-fingered aristocrats that are completely out of touch with the citizens; thinking, as aristocracy does, that they know better than the “less intellectually able” citizens who are on the receiving end of Islamization. As Wilders accurately states, they are Politically Correct Cowards.

    The left has confused today’s “immigrants” with the WWII refugees they didn’t take when, in fact, they are more like the Nazis from which the former were fleeing. It is a tragic mistake, that if not corrected will result in the total loss of peace and freedom in the Netherlands.

    Cultural Suicide is too high a price to pay for the haunting ghosts of previous generation. Get over it, Stand Tall, and show some pride in being and remaining Dutch.

    • Westman says

      Oct 2, 2015 at 9:37 pm

      ERROR:

      “latter were fleeing”, replaces, ” former were fleeing”

    • Wellington says

      Oct 2, 2015 at 10:32 pm

      Well stated, Westman.

  8. citycat says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 9:53 pm

    Karen-
    Just a thought.
    I don’t know if you’re familiar with Dali’s “metamorphosis of narcissus”
    but i see it applying to Islam, Islam being the narcissist. What ever different outcome you may have meant may have been only a direction change for the vampiric narcissist Islam, which can metamorphose, like for example the refugees, who apparently are mainly Muslims, who are a branch/strain of the Islamic entity, although they may have had no choice. Not that the rest of the world is innocent.

    • Karen says

      Oct 2, 2015 at 11:46 pm

      Citycat, you made me dig. Yes, I see your point, and agree, that even if a real democracy/republic had been put in place, the Islamic forces would continue to pound away at it. Perhaps, better to have gone for the gold and lost, than for 10th place, and lost anyway? Hard to say….

      I had never seen this painting, and find it fascinating; so many parallels to your thoughts. I’d also forgotten the details of Narcissus; immortalized by the gods for being so wonderful. Hmmm…..sounds familiar.

  9. mortimer says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    If the US government and TV networks would promote speeches like this one, we could persuade Western people and their politicians that jihad is an inherent problem in Islam that will not go away.

  10. livingengine says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 10:11 pm

    Thank you for restating your position in regards to Donald Trump. It needs to be more widely known that Donald Trump began his Presidental campaign off the back of Pamela’s attempted assassination. Additionally, he proclaimed that he was a bigger defender of free speech than she.

    I am call him out on this. There is small chance this can be true.

    During the Charlie Hebdo attacks, Trump wanted to talk about gun control, or free speech, or even jihad.

    The usually loquacious Trump was strangely silent during the Je Suis Charlie campaign.

    When Trump astonishingly took the side of ISIS over Pamela, accusing her of taunting “people” he entered the realm of the negligent, or just insane.

    He has no record as a defender of free speech, and is an avowed enemy of the Counter Jihad Movement.

    Better talk to him about this now, because he won’t give a damn what you think when he’s in office.

  11. TheBuffster says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 10:44 pm

    Robert, this is a great lecture. Watching it isn’t like taking a dose of reality about the threat we’re facing. It’s like swigging the whole medicine bottle.

    May it go viral.

    Let the swigging begin!

  12. Dave J says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 11:02 pm

    A battle of life against death, of freedom versus enslavement.

    The Islamists number far more than the Nazis did at their peak and hold even harsher genocidal views.

    They have the opportunity of a population full of the very young, unemployed and uneducated.

    They have the internet and social media to spread the propaganda at almost no cost.

    They are determined on a century level timescale and have many to replace the fallen.

    Its no exaggeration to say this is an existential battle for the survival of civilization.

  13. EYESOPEN says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    Excellent presentation Robert – as well as your responses in the Q & A. I wish you would bring some of that high-powered acumen out East (Phila.). It would be great if you could open up more eyes in this neck of the woods.

    Thank you for your tireless efforts to expose the threat we face.

  14. saturnine says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    In this speech, Robert says the Islamic State must be “stopped by force”, but it’s not clear how he thinks that should happen. He further says “it would be … not a very difficult thing to do.”

    It’s difficult to imagine how it could happen without the US military invading yet another Muslim nation. Moreover, Robert says there’s deep support for the Islamic State throughout the region (he specifically mentions Jordan) so it seems likely any ground attack by the West would bolster the narrative of an apocalyptic showdown and galvanize IS supporters into action against the infidels.

    But perhaps that’s the goal? To draw the true believers into battle, to concentrate them and destroy them so as to demolish their fairy tale and send the Muslim world reeling. Anything short of that would guarantee, to mirror Robert’s words, that blades of grass will break through the concrete and the jihad will re-emerge. (And yes, without a concomitant program to teach against the jihad imperative, the jihad will inevitably re-emerge. Whether such a program is itself a fairy tale is another question.)

    Some clarification from Robert would be useful.

  15. Jay Boo says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    How to destroy Islam once and for all,

    Put borders around all Muslim countries then remove and limit all contact with non-Muslims.

    — Drop in free Qurans.
    Then watch Islam turn on itself as they have no one else to blame but themselves.

    • abad says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 10:23 am

      Containment and self-destruction really is the way to go.

      That would mean Europe, the United States, Australia, every other nation in the world which had Muslims to round them all up and deport them to Arabia.

      It can be done but not without a fight from the enemy.

  16. citycat says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 12:19 am

    Karen-
    Immortalized by the gods, i didn’t know that.
    That’s a scary parallel.
    I thought it just self love.
    The plot thickens.
    Familiar, ha
    Don’t just wait, get ready for the next move.

  17. Kasey says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 7:14 am

    Meanwhile in Australia, a maybe agent of ISIL has anacted the call to jihad.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/02/australian-police-say-iranian-teen-slaying-sydney-police-worker-may-have-terror/

  18. Walter Sieruk says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 12:06 pm

    The cruel, brutal vicious and murderous jihadist fiends who compose the brutal and deadly jihad entity ISIS are so extremely wicked and heinous they they ,in character, to the villains described in the Bible. Which reads “Their feet are swift to shed blood. Destruction and misery are their ways, and the way of peace have they not known .” Romans 3:15-17. [K.J.V]

  19. TonysTake says

    Oct 3, 2015 at 5:56 pm

    Latest Terrorist Strike, right here in Oregon USA: http://www.eutimes.net/2015/10/oregon-mass-shooter-on-terror-list-obama-refused-to-take-from-russia/

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