A laudable concern for national security. One hopes the other 37 will soon follow suit.
“After Paris attacks, governors refuse to accept Syrian refugees,” by Mary Troyan, USA Today, November 16, 2015:
WASHINGTON — At least 13 governors say they will not accept Syrian refugees in their states in response to Friday’s attacks in Paris.
The Republican governors — in Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas and Wisconsin — are concerned that resettlement could open the doors to terrorists.
“There may be those who will try to take advantage of the generosity of our country and the ability to move freely within our borders through this federal resettlement program, and we must ensure we are doing all we can to safeguard the security of Americans,” Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker said.
In Louisiana, Gov. Bobby Jindal tweeted that, “I just signed an Executive Order instructing state agencies to take all available steps to stop the relocation of Syrian refugees to LA.”
At least 132 people were killed and hundreds injured in a series of attacks that took place around Paris on Friday evening. Several of the attackers have been identified as French citizens. According to French prosecutors, a bomber who targeted the national stadium was found with a Syrian passport.
The passport’s discovery raised concerns that Islamic State militants may be crossing into Turkey before moving to Western Europe alongside the hundreds of thousands of refugees and migrants who have entered Europe this year, many of them fleeing the civil war in Syria.
In Michigan, Republican Gov. Rick Snyder said he is suspending his efforts encouraging resettlement of Syrian refugees in his state. But he he did not make any blanket statement on Monday that refugees would not be allowed into Michigan.
“Michigan is a welcoming state and we are proud of our rich history of immigration,” Snyder said in the statement. “But our first priority is protecting the safety of our residents.”
Comments that Snyder had made Sunday were widely viewed as an indication he would not allow Syrian refugees into the state.
About 20 Syrian refugees already in the pipeline for resettlement in the U.S. either recently arrived in Michigan or are expected to arrive soon, and Snyder said Monday he is not asking that they be stopped or vetted again
Detroit-area Arab-American leaders and refugee advocates argued the Department of Homeland Security already does extensive security checks before allowing any refugees into the U.S.
“The United States should be a safe haven,” said Dr. Yahya Basha, a Syrian-American advocate from West Bloomfield, Mich., who has family members who are refugees. He was at the White House recently to discuss the Syrian refugee crisis with U.S. officials: “We should welcome them.”
Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson issued a statement saying the plan to resettle Syrian refugees in the United States is “is not the right strategy.”
Despite such reactions, President Obama is continuing with plans to accept refugees from Syria. Responding to calls to admit Christians but not Muslims into the country, he said, “That’s shameful. That’s not American, it’s not who we are.”
“We don’t have religious tests to our compassion,” he said, speaking from the G20 summit in Antalya, Turkey.
But Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said in a letter to the president that, “Neither you nor any federal official can guarantee that Syrian refugees will not be part of any terroristic activity. As such, opening our door to them irresponsibly exposes our fellow Americans to unacceptable peril.”
One refugee advocacy organization said the governors are setting themselves up for a discrimination lawsuit.
“You can’t restrict certain nationalities coming to your state,” said Jen Smyers, director of policy and advocacy with the Immigration and Refugee Program at Church World Service….

Richie says
I wonder if Obama will send troops into those states to demand compliance? This could trigger civil war, the same path Europe is headed
miriamrove says
Knowing how arrogant he just may do that. m
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
He’ll just fly ’em in anonymously, commercial flight by commercial flight. In fact, he’s done that already with the fake refugee children from Honduras, who once in are official anchor babies, or children at least, who’ve been quickly put on the welfare rolls and with assistance from the welfare worker fast tracked through the family reunification process to bring the parents up. That’s in flight now. It’ll be the same with the “Syrian” “refugees”.
Kepha says
Actually, these “child” refugees are teens or young adults.
“Anchor babies” refers to US-born children who, as US citizens, will have the right to petition for foreign parents and sibs once they reach 18.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Except that children born to foreign parents are not US citizens, at least not according to the Constitution. News entertainment stars Bill O’Reilly and Judge Napolitano disagree, though, they say the Constitution doesn’t say that, even though it’s in plain language.
Don McKellar says
Weren’t there 13 colonies seeking freedom and liberty once?
? says
Let’s sincerely pray at it doesn’t come to that… Civil War is the last thing America needs…
Jeremiah says
We can prevent further attacks by raiding mosques, jailing Imams and identifying those who teach the Koran. Then we don’t need to respond, we don’t need to fight it and we don’t need to defeat it. There is no reason for people to continue to live in fear except for Political Correctness. There is no need to fight all muslims, only those who object to the closure of mosques. There is no need to kill on a large scale, only those who are willing to defend Islam. It is Islam and its teaching which is our enemy! All this talk about trying to find terrorists is nonsense. All this fear is misplaced. Only Political Correctness can kill us. No need to “flag” anybody on a terror watch list. Bring them all in for questioning. Just close the mosques! The mosques contain the terror entire network that we are looking for. No terror network exists outside the mosques, so why are we avoiding mosques?
Kepha says
Indeed, civil war is the last thing we need. I pray nightly that God would deliver us from evil. But what happens when our elites insist on importing the fodder for a civil war?
Linde Barrera says
James B. Comey, Director of the FBI, made a statement a short time ago, saying the US has no way to properly “vet” Syrian refugees! Also, what about “states rights”? Seems like President Obama wants to make laws using the power of the “Executive Order”. Can he apply “Executive Order” ad infinitum, or are there limits to his use of that tool?
Westman says
“You can’t restrict certain nationalities coming to your state,” said Jen Smyers, director of policy and advocacy with the Immigration and Refugee Program at Church World Service….
Dear Jen Smyers,
I’d suggest that you keep watching, and if you don’t like it, have the Governors call in the National Guard.
Mike says
It’ll take years to litigate, meanwhile it’ll avoid the formation of a nucleus community that will bring in relatives and so on. Let some other state get them, must be what they’re thinking.
Works for me. Send them all to Washington DC!
Wellington says
Up yours, Obama.
Joseph says
Wellington
Did you ever think that maybe Obama likes it **up there** from Michelle with a big ol’ strap-on? Then again maybe she/he does not need one.
Sorry, but I need some humorous thoughts with all this crap in the wind.
Angemon says
Sounds like Obama needs feminism.
https://t3hwin.com/i/2015/02/I-need-feminism….jpg
Angemon says
Ack, broken link:
https://t3hwin.com/i/2015/02/I-need-feminism….jpg
Angemon says
OK, something is screwing up the url probably because of the 4 consecutive dots. This should fix it:
http://tinyurl.com/I-need-feminism
Joseph says
Angemon,
That was worth the three posts. I NEARLY pissed in my pants I laughed so hard.
Mastercard moment…priceless
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
I’ve always liked Bobby. I’ve also always wondered what his Hindu parents taught him about Moslems back home in India. The CIA Worldfactbook sez 15%, but Hindu friends tell me double that. That’s a real big nasty infection right there, France x3. But the Hindus have babies, not so French women. I remember, and this is true, seeing billboards 20 yrs ago along the autoroutes in France imploring white women to have babies, paid for by the French government. Nobody blinked at that; it’s different there. But also, the birth rate among native French women did not increase in response to the ad campaign, which lasted a year or two.
Mike says
I’m all in favour of admitting as a refugee ANY Hindu left in Pakistan or Bangladesh.
I have no problem with Hindus. Hindu immigrants almost always seem to turn out “normal”, with normal immigrant problems, and a normal progression towards mainstream society. The usual integration difficulties, but their basic values are straight up.
Want to bring in more Chinese, Vietnamese or Philippinos? I have no problem with that either.
Here’s a bet that those same state governors would roll out the welcome mat if that’s who was coming.
Oliver says
Mike, After the Viet Nam fiasco, the US took in thousands (I don’t recall the number ) of Montengard ( name might be a little off) -Mountain people, from Laos, who helped the CIA and the US military.
Culturally, economically and every other way, they were behind the west.
Many were settled in Wausau, Wisconsin.
Some years ago, I had potential clients from there, and asked them how these people integrated.
their comments- the generation that came-lived 2 and 3 families together, pooled their money; started small businesses and pushed their children to excel in school. ( AND THEY LEARNED TO SPEAK ENGLISH). Their children did OK, went to colleges, and became professionals AND THEIR CHILDREN became the superstars. The generation surpassed Hispanics; African Americans and was just about on par with white Americans in income, education levels; etc. AND THEIR CRIME RATE WAS ALMOST OFF THE CHARTS–ON THE LOW SIDE- MINIMAL.
Those kind of refugees should and would be welcomed by any sane governor.
Joseph says
Oliver, CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!!!
Very few people know that fact about the Vietnamese Montagnards.
Kudos to you. 😉
Mike says
Funny, isn’t it? These people have obviously been a huge benefit to the USA as a whole.
Chinese workers in Canada built the railroad, and are the reason why the country exists from coast to coast.
They were treated horribly.
Jews started coming to Canada in great numbers at the end of the 19th century. They were also treated horribly (although infinitely better than in Europe where they were from!).
Neither group turned terrorist. They both eventually integrated and have obviously been a net benefit.
Muslims are treated infinitely better in France, by any stretch of the imagination. Yet French Muslim citizens participate in terrorist acts. Why?
katnis says
I’ve worked with plenty of Hindus from around the world. I’ve had nothing but positive experiences… work hard, assimilate, contribute, make good neighbors, and are nice people overall.
Being in the US is like being part of a big pot of soup. Most things will go into the soup pretty nicely. You just don’t want to throw a rotten fish or a big turd in the pot. Spoils the whole pot of soup. 😉
Hindus are welcome, as far as I’m concerned.
Kepha says
Bobby;’s “back home” is not India. His parents’ “back home”–or, more accurately at this point, “old country”–is India. Bobby’s home, one way or the other, is the USof A, for he was born here. He’s no less American than the estimated 33% of American soldiers in Europe between 1942-1945 whose antecedents were German.
I would vote for Jindal in a heartbeat against either Shrillary Shrooooo, Bernie Sanders, or Martin O’Smarmy (and I’m a Marylander).
Mike says
Unfortunately, I’m not American, so I can’t vote for U.S. prez, but I certainly would be happy to vote for Jindal if I had the chance.
Alv Vatzdal says
I wrote a post on another article that seemed to be lacking of attention and this one seem like one to become very active, so I repeat it here:
I’m starting to feel doubt about taking part at this website, as loving your enemy and praying for your enemy seem incompatible with the things written here, and love and compassion is really the core of Christian faith. Giving love even to those that hate you, even if it leads to death. I certainly think Mr.Spencer is right in revealing what the Koran is really about and have certainly a deep knowledge about the situation the world is in, but websites like this is about more then that, i fuels fear, that again lead to hatred (just read the comments, hardly any of them got anything to do with improving the situation, but it seems, just deepen the rift between east and west, in this “clash of civilizations” that Samuel P. Huntington wrote about in his book, before the clash really started, after the Soviet Union fell) and this hatred might lead to a similar extremism that do to their enemies what they themselves condemn. Just like Anders Behring Breivik, is an unfortunately example of. I don’t think of myself as better then any of you, as I myself are filled with anger and sometimes even hatred and a wish for violence and revenge at these people in IS, at the religion of Anti-Christ they follow and his False Prophet written about in Revelation, but as a Christian, there feels like there’s something wrong with all of this. I’ve written long comments filled with anger, just like the others, but as I said: It feels incompatible with the Christian faith and it’s main, most important doctrine. I hope someone would like to give their view on this and my concerns, since my faith is the most important thing I have, but I would also take part in spreading knowledge so that the lambs don’t just go unwitting to the slaughterhouse.
Mo says
@ Alv Vatzdal
“I’m starting to feel doubt about taking part at this website, as loving your enemy and praying for your enemy seem incompatible with the things written here, and love and compassion is really the core of Christian faith.”
Can you show me where this website is preventing you or encouraging you to not pray for your enemies? Can you explain to me how a government taking reasonable actions to help prevent their own citizens from being slaughtered is unloving or incompatible with the Christian faith? I’d love to hear it.
Spoilers: The Bible teaches no such thing. If you’d read it, you’d know that. Nonsense like this is why secular minded people often think Christians are fools!
“Giving love even to those that hate you, even if it leads to death.”
Can you show me where the Bible commands Christians to do that on a NATIONAL level? Show it to me. If an individual chooses to lay down his life for an enemy, that’s one thing. But individual choice is quite different than a government putting its citizens deliberately at risk and without their consent. That’s insanity. Not to mention criminal!
The rest of your comment is a rambling screed about who knows what.
It’s clear from this that you know next to nothing about either Islam or Christianity. I suggest you remedy that.
Now, please take your nonsense elsewhere. This is not the place for it.
Alv Vatzdal says
Mo, I didn’t say a word about government, I was talking about Christianity at a personal level, that should be clear since it were about my own thoughts about this.
“Can you show me where this website is preventing you or encouraging you to not pray for your enemies? ” No, but it’s in the nature of the website to focus, specially at controversial news about all the horrible that is happening because of the action of fundamentalist islamists, with the opportunity to reply and neither the website nor the replies seem to be about Christianity at all. I do pray for my enemies, but not because I visit jihadwatch.
Since you focus on government, it is my impression that war is pretty much unavoidable, and Jesus instead told what soldiers should do and not do on duty.
“If an individual chooses to lay down his life for an enemy, that’s one thing. But individual choice is quite different than a government…”
Yes. Many, countless I should rather say, have chosen death rather then to convert or abandon their faith. This has happened a lot with ISIS-actions. Whole, ancient communities of Christians in Iraq for example have just disappeared.
“Nonsense like this is why secular minded people often think Christians are fools” A fool ask questions and become wiser, a fool don’t ask and remain a fool.
If you are a Christian you don’t seem to care very much for love, not even for a brother in Christ, which is the last commandment given to us. Instead you turn to bullying and name-calling.
“Now, please take your nonsense elsewhere. This is not the place for it.”
That was really my question, and it seems like you confirm that this is not a place for me.
Mo says
@ Alv Vatzdal
“No, but it’s in the nature of the website to focus, specially at controversial news about all the horrible that is happening because of the action of fundamentalist islamists,”
For one, what is “controversial” about presenting facts? That’s what this site does.
Secondly, providing news about what’s going on in the world regarding Islam is the entire purpose of this site – it’s its very NAME! It is called Jihad Watch, meaning keeping an eye out for, examining the jihad being waged against us by Muslims, all over the world, on a regular basis.
That is the whole point of this site! Why were you under the impression it was something else? And what was that something else you thought it was?
” with the opportunity to reply and neither the website nor the replies seem to be about Christianity at all.”
Why should it be? This is not a Christian website. It does not purport itself to be!
“Since you focus on government, it is my impression that war is pretty much unavoidable, and Jesus instead told what soldiers should do and not do on duty.”
I am not clear what you mean by this. Yes, soldiers are to do their duty. If they are fighting a righteous cause – and fighting jihad IS a righteous cause – then they are to do their best to succeed. What is your disagreement with my statement here?
“If you are a Christian you don’t seem to care very much for love, not even for a brother in Christ, which is the last commandment given to us. Instead you turn to bullying and name-calling.”
Oh, grow up, for goodness sake! How is anything I have said “bullying”? And show me my “name calling”.
Notice how in all this, you never answered the most important question I asked, which was:
Can you explain to me how a government taking reasonable actions to help prevent their own citizens from being slaughtered is unloving or incompatible with the Christian faith?
Something is odd about this post. My “troll alert” is pinging here.
Aussie kaffar says
Alv
there is also a very clear disinction between Church and State in the Bible, the Bible itself is very clear that the role of the state is to perform ” just government ” and enforce punishment on evil doers [ criminals if you like ] , the individual however is to live according to the gospel of jesus [ non violent] but to protect his family from harm, if an individual [ you or I ] choose to lay down passively and die by being a martyr or willing victim, that is perfectly biblical, however, you do NOT have the biblical right or do I to let violent aggression happen to your wife/sister/son/husband without you actively doing all your can to protect them , study your bible and you will find that the Bible itself clearly defines defensive warfare, defensive personal boundaries as well.
It is the height of hypocrasy on any real believer in Jesus to allow shallow and flawed thinking of passivity to encompass their children and spouse without telling them and asking them how they feel about being matyrs.
I don’t know your age or how much you have study of the culture of passivity in christian mainstream circles, but for crying out loud do some intelligent and unbiased study of what you believe about turning the other cheek !.
duh_swami says
“Giving love even to those that hate you, even if it leads to death.”
While love may be a ‘many splendid thing’ ‘, it is not a suicide pact.
Love does not require you to give up legitimate” self defense…
The ‘holy people’ full of love and the spirit, show up here regularly to sermonize and post scripture. I’m sure you can participate in that…
Duhh says
“Giving love even to those that hate you, even if it leads to death.”
Of course, you have to talking about “someone elses death”
Jeremiah says
God is Love. The Bible is the handbook of love. The Old Testament was a massive diversion from the normal evolution of spiritual thoughts to satisfaction of sexual fantasies, sacrificing children and so forth. The Bible describes the perversion and it describes the consequences. It also describes God’s mercy in those events. They are a warning of God’s judgement but they are not a command for anybody to kill beyond what God had ordered. This is different to the Koran, where the followers of Mohammad, the pedophile, are ordered to keep killing indiscriminately until all people submit to the will of men, rather than the will of God, through terror. The Old Testament is beautifully explained by Jesus. To those who have eyes, let them see that God calls them to be different.
The people here are your friends. They are not your enemies. Some are worried and some are searching for answers. Try to help.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The Yazidis and Christians in the Levant aren’t unwitting sheep now. May have been a couple of years ago, but now they know for sure. All they have to do is remember their men and boys who are gone forever but haven’t been buried, cuz the wives and daughters never got their remains… that is, the wives and daughters who haven’t been moved to Raqqa or even Abu Dhabi to pursue careers as sex slaves.
But we’ll be sure to love our enemy and to pray for them… but wait! We can’t do that. Our leader, Prez Barack Hussein Obama, has officially declared Moslems are *not* our enemy.
somehistory says
Jesus said when His followers were suffering persecution, they should *flee* that city where they were being persecuted and if it happened in the next city, flee again. He did not say to stay and be killed.
He did say to *love your enemies and pray for those persecuting you*…there are several kinds of love…love based on right principle, love of family, love of friends and love of spouse. Love based on principles is the kind shown to strangers and those who hate us and we pray they will change and become a peaceful, lover of Christ.
If they do not, Christians are not obligated to do more. Jesus said not to throw what is “holy to dogs or pearls before swine.” Why? “Because they will turn around and rip you open.”
We know what the moslims want: to dominate, to kill, subjugate, rape, extort, etc. This is a *ripping* of those who are trying to help them, “throwing their pearls before swine and what is holy to dogs.”
The moslims are unappreciative of the things given to them and among those, are the terrorists who will rape and kill at the first opportunity. They are already *ripping open* the people of Sweden, UK, Germany, France, etc.
Christians are not obligated to commit suicide.
Alv Vatzdal says
somehistory says
“Jesus said when His followers were suffering persecution, they should *flee* that city where they were being persecuted and if it happened in the next city, flee again. He did not say to stay and be killed.”
Could you show me that verse in the bible? The only thing that remind me of anything similar, is if the citizens in a city rejects the faith, then they should keep walking to another place.
You certainly also have a very complex view of the “peals to swine” saying. It’s about not preaching to those that don’t want to listen. That’s a waste of time. They have already made up their mind. Though we do throw pearls to many former Muslims, like in Iran there’s more then a million Christians now, because of satellite-TV “televangelists”. The government have banned satellite-dishes because of this, but that’s not going to stop it, as long as there’s people that see the pearls for what it is.
“We know what the moslims want: to dominate, to kill, subjugate, rape, extort, etc. …… The moslims are unappreciative of the things given to them and among those, are the terrorists who will rape and kill at the first opportunity. They are already *ripping open* the people of Sweden, UK, Germany, France, etc.”
I simply refuse to believe that a billion people are beyond the power of God. Look at Jordan, they are an ally of Israel, and they are Muslims and when they suffered an attack from Al-Qaeda they gathered in the streets shouting “go to hell Al-Qaeda”. The Muslim Mayor of Rotterdam, Netherlands, just said that ISIS should be erased completely. Previously he have said that Muslims that don’t like European values should pack their bags and leave. Certainly not all of them are the bloodthirsty beasts you make them out to be. And this is where my doubt begin about whether this is a good website for me to be visiting as a Christian. Wouldn’t it be more constructive to for example support those that try to reach the lost souls of the Middle-East with a message of life and hope, instead of death? Why are there no such posts or discussions here? The point should be to stop the madness, isn’t it?
And to the rest of you: I’m sorry, but it’s beyond midnight here now, so I have to continue answering tomorrow. I’m thankful that so many wanted to share their view with just my personal doubts. 🙂
Jeremiah says
How about using common sense?
Buy a gun, buy ammunition, renew your membership with neighborhood watch like the Minutemen. Provide leadership and training. Be ready.
Westman says
Alv,
The best action you could take is what you’ve already indicated – educate your brethren. The Islam 101 above is a good place to start.
Many of us are not traditional believers in religion’s ability to solve social problems of group agression. There is a history of religion being the cause of warfare between cultures and it’s making a current return in the form of militant Islam.
Turning the other cheek to Islam is an invitaion to death. You are free to make this decision for yourself, however, when pacifism, cowardice, or dhimmitude seals the fate of your family and society have you not failed them? Would Christ actually prefer that you live in bondage to an ideology that would enslave your society, force you to convert to Islam, or kill you for being Christian rather than defend your society? Did God not kill all the firstborn of Egypt to free his followers?
In WWII we killed millions of people, not for religious reasons, but rather to save the Freedom and self-determination that allows us to worship however we see fit. This is not a religious battle that is developing; it is the free world versus a slave mentality. Allah just happens to be the slave owner. It’s just Naziism in a different package.
Many here are simply realists. If you find the rhetoric too harsh, consider creating your own website and educate in a gentler manner. All voices, and you, are needed to save freedom and self-determination.
Mo says
@ Westman
“Turning the other cheek to Islam is an invitaion to death”
Yes, it is. And the Bible does not even teach us to do that. That passage is talking about not taking personal revenge, especially for insults or wrongs done to you personally. The Bible nowhere teaches that personal self defense is wrong, national self defense is wrong, or even that all wars are wrong.
“Would Christ actually prefer that you live in bondage to an ideology that would enslave your society, force you to convert to Islam, or kill you for being Christian rather than defend your society?”
An important question. The Bible teaches we are not to give in to evil. We are to fight against it. So you are 100 percent right.
It’s sad when people who don’t identify as religious or as Christians know more accurate Christian theology than those who claim to follow it.
Well done.
Champ says
Alv wrote:
I’m starting to feel doubt about taking part at this website, as loving your enemy and praying for your enemy seem incompatible with the things written here, and love and compassion is really the core of Christian faith. Giving love even to those that hate you, even if it leads to death.
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Alv, Jesus did not say what you’ve written here …
Here is what Jesus stated in Matthew 5:44-45:
“But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.”
Nowhere did Jesus say that Christians are to *trust* their enemy, but simply to pray for them. Read the text more carefully. And praying for your enemy does NOT mean that you must trust your enemy and put yourself in harms way: by giving direct love to an enemy–even, perhaps, to the point of death. Nonsense! Jesus said to PRAY for your enemy. If anything, Jesus is setting a healthy boundary between a Christian and his enemy by instructing them to simply …”pray”.
Champ says
ps …
The first step is to “love your enemy”, and the way that Jesus instructed his followers to love their enemy, is to PRAY for them. Jesus didn’t say, love your enemy and have them over for dinner. The instructions are *clear* on how we are to “love” our enemy …PRAY for them. ‘Nuff said.
Jeremiah says
Loving your enemy and shooting them are not inconsistent notions. Israel shoots jihadis and treats them at their hospitals as well as they treat their own.
Wellington says
I have no faith, Alz Vatzdal, but I also have no animosity towards Christianity as I do towards Islam. Your post reveals a sincerity that should not be denigrated and I certainly won’t. In fact, it is quite understandable since there is definitely a pacifist element in Christian teaching which many Christians over the centuries have tried to deal with, some successfully (e.g., the “just war” doctrine).
The rise of such Christian sects as the Quakers and the Amish give testimony to the inherent pacifism that most certainly can be found in the Christian theological blueprint. But just as the American Constitution is not a suicide pact, so is it the case with Christianity. May I suggest whenever you hear the word “Islam” you just think “Nazism” and when you hear the word “Muslim” just think “Nazi,” because Islam is pure spiritual fascism and Christianity is flexible enough I would argue to allow for defending mankind against pure evil, even if life must be taken. The alternative, I would contend, is to allow mankind to be subject to the tyrants of the earth. Jesus couldn’t have wanted that, now could he?
gravenimage says
Alv Vatzdal wrote:
I wrote a post on another article that seemed to be lacking of attention and this one seem like one to become very active, so I repeat it here:
I’m starting to feel doubt about taking part at this website, as loving your enemy and praying for your enemy seem incompatible with the things written here, and love and compassion is really the core of Christian faith. Giving love even to those that hate you, even if it leads to death.
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Alv, I don’t believe that Christianity is a suicide pact. It is possible to love Muslims and hope they come to realize the evil they are doing, without feeling compelled to invite them into our lands where they can murder us with impunity.
It is also important to know that while Robert Spencer is himself a devout Christian, that he is trying to educate and protect *all* possible victims of Muslim savagery, not just Christians.
More:
I certainly think Mr.Spencer is right in revealing what the Koran is really about and have certainly a deep knowledge about the situation the world is in, but websites like this is about more then that, i fuels fear, that again lead to hatred (just read the comments, hardly any of them got anything to do with improving the situation, but it seems, just deepen the rift between east and west, in this “clash of civilizations” that Samuel P. Huntington wrote about in his book, before the clash really started, after the Soviet Union fell) and this hatred might lead to a similar extremism that do to their enemies what they themselves condemn.
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You believe that *reporting* on violent Jihad fuels fear–and not the violent Jihad itself? In that case, I suppose you are fine with the Paris attacks, as long as we hadn’t learned about them. *Ugh*.
Perhaps you would feel better if we under full dhimmitude, and were not allowed to criticize Muslims oppressing and murdering us at all?
And then we have the usual–not a condemnation of Muslim savagery, but just the fear that *we* might become violent if we are allowed to hear of it.
We hear this insanity all the time–that Jihad is not really a problem, just the phantom specter that there might, somehow, be a “backlash”. Never mind that this has never happened.
More:
Just like Anders Behring Breivik, is an unfortunately example of.
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Good God–what *sickening calumny*. Not only has Robert Spencer and posters here condemned the actions of Anders Brievik, but considering him some sort of Anti-Jihadist is totally false. He attacked his fellow *Norwegian* citizens, including children. Moreover, he said that he admired the tactics of Al Qaida, and that he was willing to ally with Jihadists. This doesn’t sound like an Anti-Jihadist to me.
More:
I don’t think of myself as better then any of you, as I myself are filled with anger and sometimes even hatred and a wish for violence and revenge at these people in IS, at the religion of Anti-Christ they follow and his False Prophet written about in Revelation, but as a Christian, there feels like there’s something wrong with all of this. I’ve written long comments filled with anger, just like the others, but as I said: It feels incompatible with the Christian faith and it’s main, most important doctrine. I hope someone would like to give their view on this and my concerns, since my faith is the most important thing I have,
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You have to work that out for yourself. But I would say that your characterizing a hatred of evil to be incompatible with the Christian faith to be an odd one.
Moreover, I don’t believe that resistance to evil is evil itself. Do you believe that French police and soldiers trying to rescue hostages in Paris were evil? Do you believe that Allies trying to end Fascist aggression and the Holocaust during WWII were evil?
More:
but I would also take part in spreading knowledge so that the lambs don’t just go unwitting to the slaughterhouse.
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Unfortunately, it sounds as though you would be perfectly happy with our going to the slaughterhouse with our eyes wide open.
Robert Spencer and the rest of the good Anti-Jihadists here at Jihad Watch don’t believe we should have to bare our throats to the Muslim knife at all. Sorry if you consider that incompatible with the Christian religion.
abad says
I suspect, most Christians at JW – myself included – favor converting Muslims to Christianity.
Yes, a number of Muslims have left their uncivilized, backward religion behind and sincerely became Christians, dedicated themselves to Christ, became baptized, and really started a whole new life.
Once again:
Christians want to convert you.
Muslims want to kill you.
Jeremiah says
There is always hope. When sincere muslims read the koran, they either blow up or throw up. We can baptize half of them once they recover from the nausea caused by reading about Mohammad, the pedophile. So encourage them to study the Koran.
Katnis says
@Alv –
I appreciate the honest comment and I understand your conflict. I’ve also felt torn by some of my own comments. Some days I just feel angry. My comments probably reflect that.
I try to think about what I value and I try to go back to that for my foundation. I was raised Catholic. I believe in things like reflection, forgiveness, kindness, charity, prayer, love, and fellowship. I was also raised as an American and I believe in liberty and justice. Sometimes the state and Church have different views, and I accept that we have a separation of church and state. The bottom line here is that the older I get, the more I cherish my freedom, appreciate my Catholic foundation, and the fact that I was born in the United States. It’s worked well for this country overall.
For me, participating in Jihad Watch helps me to learn and share. As I become more educated on islam – not only here – but from sources around the world – I share with others and help them understand.
You sound like a good person. There are other people here with strong foundations in faith. I always appreciate hearing their perspectives. Please continue to reflect and comment on this site. We need people like you. Others may not always agree, but you have a voice! So use it! 🙂
Jeremiah says
We can prevent further attacks by raiding mosques, jailing Imams and identifying those who teach the Koran. Then we don’t need to respond, we don’t need to fight it and we don’t need to defeat it. There is no reason for people to continue to live in fear except for Political Correctness. There is no need to fight all muslims, only those who object to the closure of mosques. There is no need to kill on a large scale, only those who are willing to defend Islam. It is Islam and its teaching which is our enemy! All this talk about trying to find terrorists is nonsense. All this fear is misplaced. Only Political Correctness can kill us. No need to “flag” anybody on a terror watch list. Bring them all in for questioning. Just close the mosques! The mosques contain the terror entire network that we are looking for. No terror network exists outside the mosques, so why are we avoiding mosques?
Oliver says
Closing mosques would (in my opinion) DO VERY LITTLE ABOUT MUSLIM TERRORISTS. THEY WOULD JUST MEET CLANDESTINELY IN HOMES, POSSIBLE COFFEE SHOPS, ETC.
Back in the old USSR, , , the communists closed Yeshivas (Jewish schools); synagogues; etc. The Jews just met in each others hovels ( they had little money, as did most people, other then the elite) .
And they kept secret, as to who they knew who was practicing the religion, if caught. Muslims would do the same.
Jeremiah says
Thanks for your response. Hiding in caves is a likely outcome in the short term. However, Islam propagates through its teaching of the Koran. The terrorists will lose their support base and starve of everything that they need to remain viable if they had no mosque to sustain them. Then its a matter of rounding up the rest.
gravenimage says
Yeah–but Soviet Jews just rightly wanted the freedom to peacefully practice their faith. They didn’t want to murder Gentiles or to force anyone to live under Jewish laws.
And when they were finally able to leave when the Soviet Union fell, they didn’t go on a rampage of bombing Russians.
I agree with you, though, that closing the Mosques would not be enough to end violent JIhad.
Oliver says
Graven–you articulated what i was striving to say- and left unfinished. Thanks.
Mo says
Wow! My governor did something right for once! I am shocked – in a good way, for once!
“Despite such reactions, President Obama is continuing with plans to accept refugees from Syria. Responding to calls to admit Christians but not Muslims into the country, he said, “That’s shameful. That’s not American, it’s not who we are.” ”
You can FEEL the contempt he has for Christians just from reading his words here.
How truly evil this man is.
abad says
I wonder if his words are grounds enough for impeachment.
It is un-American to allow the enemy in who wants to kill us.
Obama must have been under a rock when 9-11 and 11-13 occurred.
He cares not about our values, he puts his Imam and Quran above the Constitution which he is supposed to protect.
Obama really does need to be tried for treason.
dlbrand says
“Obama really does need to be tried for treason.”
Indeed.
abad says
If worst comes to worst and Obama “demands” these “Syrian refugees” stay in the USA maybe send them all to the middle of the Mojave Desert.
It’ll remind them of home.
LOL
traci94 says
First of all, Obama DOES discriminate against refugees, Christian refugees. There were about 24 in California, and he sent them all home. So, if they file some kind of discrimination suit, then somebody should file a suit against the Obama administration for discriminating against Christians. Secondly, if his advisors advised him NOT to take in these refugees because of national security concerns, this isn’t just a matter of discrimination against a certain group, or at least that is the way I see it. And everyone should know about the reports coming in from Europe; these refugees are raping and wreaking havoc.
I tell you, I’ve never disliked anyone as much as I do Obama. He is a traitor to our nation, and I can’t understand why he isn’t tried for treason? He is constantly aiding and abetting our enemies – terrorists at GITMO, releasing 6,000 offenders, making a horrible deal with Iran, bringing in refugees that are possibly embedded with terrorists. It’s amazing that everyone can’t see that.
Mo says
@traci94
“First of all, Obama DOES discriminate against refugees, Christian refugees. There were about 24 in California, and he sent them all home.”
Is that right? I had not heard. He LOATHES Christians. Everything he does and says demonstrates that fact.
“I tell you, I’ve never disliked anyone as much as I do Obama. He is a traitor to our nation, and I can’t understand why he isn’t tried for treason? He is constantly aiding and abetting our enemies – terrorists at GITMO, releasing 6,000 offenders, making a horrible deal with Iran, bringing in refugees that are possibly embedded with terrorists. It’s amazing that everyone can’t see that.”
I could have written this. I am right there with you. It’s astounding how this man has not been charged with treason yet.
gravenimage says
Here’s the awful story, Mo:
“Obama Throws Christian Refugees to Lions”
Fifteen of the 27 Iraqi Christians that have been held at a detention center in Otay Mesa, California, for approximately six months, are set to be deported in the coming weeks…
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6564/obama-christian-refugees
This report is from September–I’m not sure exactly where things stand now, but they don’t look good.
These are the people we *should* be giving asylum to.
Champ says
13 governors now declaring they won’t take Syrian refugees
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Bravo to them!!! ..boo to evil obama >:-|
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Their open resistance is an important symbolic statement. It will have no effect and the “Syrian” “refugees” will be stuffed down the throats of the 13 states, but important still.
Speaking of numerology: 9/11, 7/7, Friday the 13th… these Moslems prove that there *is* fun in Islam, in the form of black comedy, at least.
katnis says
13 on board! Maybe “by the people / for the people” is still valid!? C’mon governors! We need all of you to take a stand!
CogitoErgoSum says
It’s saddens me to say it but, once more, some of us are going to have to die before our leaders understand that only those LEAVING Islam behind should be allowed to enter the USA. Allowing entrance to those who bring Islam with them is like using the flame of Lady Liberty’s torch to light the spot where the gasoline tanker will empty its load.
Westman says
Don’t you wish they were really leaders? George W. Bush told us the truth – “I am the DECIDER”
We have elected an elite set of followers who test the winds of public opinion and then decide on some action if it rises to the level of affecting re-election or income. They are NOT leaders.
William says
Some of us are going to have to die before our leaders understand…
The fact is that many have already died, nearly two hundred in Paris being the most recent number, some of whom are probably dying from their injuries right now as I write this comment, and our leaders still don’t understand. I really don’t think they will understand. More are going to die, and still they won’t understand. There is a disconnect somewhere in their mental faculties. I don’t think wild beasts are as disconnected from reality as they are, our leaders.
gravenimage says
13 governors now declaring they won’t take Syrian refugees
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Best thing I’ve heard in a long time–and it looks like they might well be joined by a 14th, as well.
Of course, I’d like to see an exception made for Christians, but Obama has made it clear that he wants to see a flood of perpetrators, and not just victims, into the United States.
Now, of course, unless this were universal, Jihad terrorists will eventually be able to travel to any state in the union once they have gained access to the US. But these states will still be safer if Syrian Muslims do not settle there first.
Moreover, though, having almost one quarter of American governors take a strong stand like this is extremely important.
At the very least, it may lead to other governors–and ordinary citizens–call more more vetting and surveillance of the invaders.
More:
“The United States should be a safe haven,” said Dr. Yahya Basha, a Syrian-American advocate from West Bloomfield, Mich.
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“Advocate”, huh? Basha has spent years trying to get more Muslims into America, including traveling to Europe to entice Jihadists there–and he has some damn disturbing ties. The insane thing is that he has done so *on behalf of the US State Department*. More suicidal madness:
“US State Dept recruits radical Islamist Yahya Basha for ‘civic outreach’ in EU after Karen Hughes is snubbed by German Muslims at mosque”
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2049
More:
“You can’t restrict certain nationalities coming to your state,” said Jen Smyers, director of policy and advocacy with the Immigration and Refugee Program at Church World Service….
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In other words, you can’t do anything to protect your own people from being murdered…
Good thing so many of these governors disagree.
Jen Smyers is working with organizations calling for bringing in 100,000 Syrians *just in the next year*–or more than the populations of Green Bay, Wisconsin, or South Bend, Indiana.
Even more insanely, Germany took in 20,000 Syrians *this last weekend*.
That’s why it’s so important to hear some sanity from these state governors. Kudos to them all!
somehistory says
“The U.S. should be a safe haven.” Well, it certainly won’t be for the citizens when the full quota of terrorists arrive.
It isn’t a *safe haven* now….Chattanooga, Merced, Washington, D.C., Tulsa, Killeen, Boston, NYC, and more…prove there is no safe haven for citizens going about their daily lives.
gravenimage says
Very true, somehistory.
jayell says
What’s all the contention here? The issue is clear. A State exists for the good of its citizens, not as a charitable benefit/welfare agency for all and sundry from the ‘international community’. You would have no more right to demand that the average householder accommodate any old down-and-out in their home as a matter of duty if the latter just happened to turn up and demand it. Quite preposterous. By all means be generous and charitable if you wish to and have the resources, and if the benificiaries of your generosity are genuinely in dire need, are going to be grateful and resepectful guests and give no reason to suspect them of dubious motives that might prejudice the well-being of your citizens. Where there is any doubt on this score, a State Governor has the clear duty to put the safety of his constituents first and NOT admit anyone who might prejudice their well-being. And there is now plenty of evidence that this would be the case with thes Syrian ‘refugees’.
abad says
Add Florida to the list. Gov. Scott made the right decision.
And considering the fact that two 9-11 hijackers, Mohamed Mohamed el-Amir Awad el-Sayed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi, received their flight training RIGHT HERE in Venice, Florida.
it is much for the better.
gravenimage says
Right you are. In fact, there are now *twenty-five* governors–fully half of all states–now calling for a moratorium on Syrian “refugees”: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-governors-syrian-refugees_564a0ef9e4b06037734a0209
These figures are from the egregious Huffington Post, which, of course, doesn’t believe we should defend ourselves at all. Still, the article is *very* heartening, if you just read the facts and ignore the sneering tone.
fidobite says
And so the muslim-in-chief continues his not-so-subtle encouragement and promotion of the caliphate worldwide. When the honest history is written on obama it will reveal the man to be a sly promoter and facilitator of the ideology he was raised with in Indonesia…islam. Islam is in his heart. Islam is his mission. As “reverend” Wright said, “God damn America”, a line obama should have tatooed across his forehead.
However he’s being careful not to make it *too* obvious as he slithers subtly through his words, avoiding any verbal association between the atrocities being committed and his beloved islam. But a growing segment of the population is catching on to his deception and are noticing his views are very much in line with those of the CAIR “victimhood for muslims” swine. Taqiyya, taqiyya, taqiyya…from the White House…it’s sickening.
Wellington says
I take it that all 13 are Republicans. If so, it serves as just one more condemnation of a political party, the Democratic Party, which has lost its collective mind.
Do I mean to be partisan here? You bet I do. The Republican Party leaves much to be desired, and silly people are members of it like John McCain and Lyndsey Graham, but compared to virtually any other major political party in all the West, it still functions in political form as the West’s best hope. For instance, the single greatest ally in the world of Israel, which is on the frontline against the barbarism which is Islam, is the Republican Party of the United States of America. I do wish more American Jews who persist in voting Democrat and who yet support Israel would get this.
Oliver says
Wellington, you are 1,000% RIGHT.
Ted Cruz and Donald Trump (among others) have consistently made strong Pro Israel statements ( and Trump was doing so long before he became involved-at least publicly–with national politics.
duh_swami says
The only one who has a grip at all is Carson…
gravenimage says
Actually, Wellington, if you read the Huffington Post article I linked to above, one Democrat–the governor of New Hampshire–has now joined the group. Kudos to her!
Oliver says
i would propose THAT ANY PERSON WHO BELIEVES THAT WE SHOULD TAKE IN REFUGEES FROM SYRIA; IRAQ ETC–BE REQUIRED TO TAKE AT LEAST ONE FAMILY–INTO THEIR OWN HOME; FEED THEM; SUPPORT THEM; (OR PAY RENT FOR THEM); NO PUBLIC FUNDS; NO WELFARE; GET THEM JOBS AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM- FOR SAY 10 YEARS.
I doubt very many people will be willing to do that.
katnis says
Brilliant! I second that idea!
Jeremiah says
Congress has a 13 percent approval rating because 13% thought Congress was a band.
Colin says
gee its hard not to be really nasty here, but let me express some things about apparent western decadance, after world war two when we fought to protect the suez canal from nazi takeover, the muslims who had done nothing with their desert homes for centuries, decided to take back the suez canal, which was built using western decadent ideas but which the muslims saw as a nice easy fast cash source, then the western decadence developed the middle easts oil resources, the same process occured again, then the world was held to ransom as muslim oil shieks put the price of oil up again and again, muslims use decadent mobile phones, cameras, cars, jewelery, and clothing, especially the men, who believe that all women should be beholding to them, the wealthy men use western decadent universities and western decadent education to advance their own western decadent lifestyles, but as long as the church recieves enough cash donations these western decadent people and ideas are forgiven, all the time they subjugate woman, tell the people the west is no good, pay their workers poorly or enslave them in SOME cases, bank their money in western decadent banks, use western decadent credit cards, demand and pay for the best western decadent hospital treatment, in fact they live mostly a western decadent life far outside of the laws of allah, the priests continue to forgive as long as money changes hands, its hard for muslims to understand that we simply do not like being treated as second class citizens and believe that since 90% of their wealth was built on western decadent ideas they should be more tolerant towards the rest of the world
CogitoErgoSum says
You want to know what’s shameful and disgraceful? Invoking America’s defense of freedom of religion in order to bring in thousands of the practitioners of a religion which has as one of its main goals the wiping out of all other religions. This is not defending the Constitution of the United States. This is undermining its foundations and a subversion of the founding fathers’ original intentions. This is deceit and a betrayal of the American people. This is traitorous and criminal. This is what is shameful and disgraceful. This is Obama!!!!!
Wellington says
It’s even more, CES, than Obama, wretched though this fool of a President is, See what Lyndsey Graham has had to say about the so-called “Syrian refugee crisis.”
One thing is for sure in this Age of Nonsense in which we live and that is that stupidity and willful ignorance can definitely be spread around. Sadly, it encompasses a whole shitload of fools, Obama and Graham, Hillary and the Bushes (yes, even the Bushes——does anyone seriously think that Jeb comprehends that his older brother was highly foolish in thinking that real democracy could be exported to an Islamic craphole like Iraq?).
The main enemy of liberty in our age is not Islam. It is the secondary enemy. The main enemy is the Western elite establishment in the West, in the political realm, in the media and in academia. A plague upon them all. After all, excusing evil is even worse than evil itself.
Edwin1683 says
That’s great news! Love how they are standing up for the people of their states.
Lee Hicks says
13 states, so far so good. How long before we can see all 50 in all out revolt over the would-be dictator?
dlbrand says
According to the Qur’an—the book all Muslims regard as their sacred book of guidance–a Muslim is one who submits to Allah; as we read here, “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah’s Will).” (Qur’an, Surah 3:64)
“Allah’s will,” is clearly tied to and understood in words and commands found in the Islamic “sacred texts” that are attributed to him. Amongst those words and commands: “Obey Allah and the Messenger so that perhaps you will gain mercy.” (3: 132.) “Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah.” (4:80.)
Additionally, the Qur’an provides, Allah commanded Muhammad to say to the believers, “ ‘If you love God, follow me, and God will love you, meaning that He will reward you.” (3:31)
Therefore, hadith tells us, the Messenger of Allah asserted, “Whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, and whoever disobeys me, disobeys Allah.” (Sahih.)
(Sunan Ibn Majah, English Translation, Compiled by: Imam Muhammad Bin Yazeed Ibn Majah Al-Qazwini, Ahadith edited & referenced by: Hafiz Abu Tahir Zubair ‘Ali Za’I, Translated by: Nasiruddin al-Khattab [Canada], Final review by: Abu Khaliyl [USA], Darussalam. Vol. 4, P 101, #2859.)
Thus we see, a basic tenet of Islam is Allah’s will for Muslims to obey and follow the one Islam projects as their “Prophet,” “Allah’s Messenger.”
All good Muslims do just that.
And as all who know that in the so-called “sacred texts” of Islam know; from all we know of the practices and beliefs of the leaders, scholars, soldiers, citizens and patrons of IS, they line their lives up with the “Book” – they follow the examples of the guidance provided therein; they follow the practices practiced or approved by their “prophet.”
That fact the “sacred texts” of Islam substantiate and corroborate.
And yet, when some assert, with respect to bringing in Syrian and Iraqi refugees; because we understand clearly what makes one a Muslim, we should only allow in Christian, and no Muslims—I would argue to also allow in apostate Muslims–BHO argues, it is un-American to do so.
In other words, with respect to the threat we face from the followers thus emulators of the so-called “prophet” Muhammad, BHO argues, it is un-American to do other than use shit for brains.
dajjal says
What dfid Moe exemplify for Muslims to emulate? Was he a terrorist??
dlbrand says
Attempted larger response to you comment, it was, nonetheless, blocked.
Therefore, in short:
“This Qur’an,” asserted the prophet of Islam, “ has been revealed to me so that I may warn you [and frighten you] by it, [people of Mekka] and anyone else it (the Qur’an) reaches [among jinn or man] .”
(Al-Anam 6:19, Tafsir Al-Jalalayn, Jalalu’ D-Din Muhammad Ibn Ahmad Al-Mahalli and Jalalu’ D-Din as-Suyuti, Aisha Bewley’s Translation , Dar Al Taqwa Ltd. London, 2007. [Exegesis of text is that within brackets])
(What does it mean to frighten someone?
On-line freedictionary tell us, to frighten someone is to fill one with fear, it provides, frightening one is synonymous with terrorizing one.
So what does it mean, thus, to terrorize one?
Again, same source tells us, to terrorize one is to “fill [one or many] with terror; make deeply afraid….To menace or threaten; intimidate.”
[http://www.thefreedictionary.com/terrify]
Hence, to that end—to frighten, fill with terror, make deeply afraid, to menace or threaten; intimidate—is the stated purpose of the so-called “Revelation” of the Qur’an, asserted in its core by the man who brought the book.)
Therefore, having practiced and lived out the above Qur’anic command, thus asserted “the Prophet,” “confidently and without least exaggeration: ‘I vanquish (the enemy) by mere terror which attains as far as the distance of a month’s journey.”
(Battlefields of the Prophet Muhammad, Dr. Muhammad Hamidullah, Kitab B havan, New Delhi, Revised, 1992, Publishers, LTD, 2009, p. 143.)
Oliver says
A LITTLE OFF TOPIC– BUT SORT OF CONNECTED.
This week, a new official will take office in Poland (JTA a day or two ago-with his name and title) ( and the day he takes office).
HE CALLED ON THE ” SYRIAN REFUGEES’ TO FORM AN ARMY, AND GO BACK TO SYRIA, TO LIBERATE IT.
They ( “Syrian refugees”) should not sit on their asses in a German ( street is named- no clue why that street-or area) and coffee shop, and complain about what is happening to their country. They should go back and fight for it.
Would it NOT BE GREEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT (AS TONY THE TIGER WOULD SAY FOR FROSTED FLAKES) IF THE UNITED STATES HAD A POLITICIAN WITH THE BALLS TO SAY THAT????
Just, i guess, dreaming that somewhere, there is a government official; member of Congress, or high up in a bureaucracy of the Feds to say something like this.
gravenimage says
Few of these Syrian “refugees” want to fight for democracy, in any case.
David, Thailand says
How daft can the West get??
Big deal, so 13 or even 30 governors reject Syrian refugees, asylum seekers, economic migrants, Hijra Muslims or plain out and out jihadists. Obama will place them in other states, whilst scoring political points by smearing the nasty ‘racist’ governors.
And from there, it’s a car or train or plane for them to anywhere in the USA to do their good deeds.
The only way to defeat Islam – the ONLY way – is to set aside democratic politeness for long enough to deal with it as it deals with the infidel. And for this we need leaders with the will to defend Western civilisation.
dlbrand says
David, Thailand said: “The only way to defeat Islam – the ONLY way – is to set aside democratic politeness for long enough to deal with it as it deals with the infidel. And for this we need leaders with the will to defend Western civilisation.”
Indeed.
gravenimage says
We didn’t have to “set aside” democracy to defeat fascism–nor do we have to do so to beat back Islam. Instead, we need to start *defending* our values, not tossing them aside.
Angemon says
Boy, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Obama heard about this…
Aron says
THE LEFTISTS WONT GIVE UP-SO THIS NEEDS SOME GRASS ROOTS PROTESTS IN STATES STILL VULNERABLE TO SUICIDE
As expected more Governors took heart from Alabama’s Guv and came out for Citizen security as First Priority. Other States may not.
The lib media will not let go such a heresy and defiance unpunished or defeated.
Opinion Polls with doctored figures, misguided ‘People’ of these States saying idiotic things on TV, OP Eds pouring nitric acid on this kind of unamerican behavior are assured to follow.
PEOPLE’S LIVES OR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS- WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU?
The Stop Islamisation movement must Act Now and organize events educating the States that havent decided and conduct Protests against those whose Governors jump into Jihad against the 13.
THIS IS THE CRUCIAL BATTLE. Unless rest of states too unexpectedly cave in and refuse the federal refugee program.
peter says
How lucky you are in America to have 13 governors who oppose the Islamic refugee rackets. Pity us in Australia where, after no reference to public opinion we are getting 12000 exra Syrian refugees with full support of all our disgusting state premiers. When Tony Abbot was our Prime minister until last September we were guaranteed that the overwhelming majority of syrian refugees would be Christian or Yassidis. Now with phony Malcolm Turnbull as PM we will no doubt be getting a full load of Muslims. Turnbull by the way is the Aussie ‘Trudeau’. IHe loves the Muslim lobby. He’sjust been over to see Mamma Merkel and he is politically correct on everything. He’s so predictably dreadful I’m just waiting for the worst..
Myxlplik says
OT: This story is all over the web:
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/watch-football-fans-boo-minutes-silence-for-paris-attack-victims-before-irelandbosnia-euro-2016-a3116436.html#commentsDiv
This illustrates why there is a great need for a fully independent Republica Serpska. I’ve been watching this story and nobody knows that Bosnia is ethically diverse, in the ignorance they blame Christian Serbs for this incident & I can tell you that there is no way Christian Serbs in Bosnia wouldn’t feel sympathy for the French who suffer at the hands of Jihadists. I’m 100% certain it was “Bosniaks” Muslim Bosnians causing this trouble, but people are too uninformed to know.
I wish Robert would do an article on this.
Richard says
You would think that Governors would be already well informed on security issues not having to depend on an incident such as Paris to come to such conclusion.
Dr. Divinity says
I don’t believe the federal government has the authority to force states to take these refugees.Under the constitution the gov.has the say so on allowing them to enter the U.S. but states rights gives the ststes the right to accept them or not. Of course under the obama administration no one has any rights. He just signs executive orders or threatens veto.