“Even cases that appear to be honor killings, such as the Jan. 1, 2008 murder of two Irving, Texas, sisters that landed their father on the FBI’s most wanted list, cannot always be conclusively linked to a religious motivation. Without hard evidence, critics say, ascribing a religious motivation to crimes committed by Muslims demeans Islam.”
Yaser Said murdered his daughters because they had non-Muslim boyfriends. But to note that fact “demeans Islam,” so it must not be said. It no doubt also “demeans Islam” to take any notice of these inconvenient facts:
Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. A manual of Islamic law certified as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy by Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, says that “retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (‘Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2). In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law. In this case, of course, the victim was the murderer’s wife, a victim to the culture of violence and intimidation that such laws help create.
The Palestinian Authority gives pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders. Iraqi women have asked for tougher sentences for Islamic honor murderers, who get off lightly now. Syria in 2009 scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences for honor killings, but “the new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour ‘provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.’” And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that “Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.”
Until the encouragement Islamic law gives to honor killing is acknowledged and confronted, more women will suffer.

“Honor killing in America: DOJ report says growing problem is hidden in stats,” by Hollie McKay, Fox News, November 10, 2015:
The estimated 27 victims of so-called “honor killings” each year in the U.S. don’t fit neatly into the FBI’s exhaustive Uniform Crime Reporting Statistics.
Hidden among thousands of nondescript murders and cases labeled as domestic violence are a mounting number of killings motivated by a radical and dark interpretation of Islam. Honor killings and violence, which typically see men victimize wives and daughters because of behavior that has somehow insulted their faith, are among the most secretive crimes in society, say experts.
“Cases of honor killings and/or violence in the U.S. are often unreported because of the shame it can cause to the victim and the victim’s family,” Farhana Qazi, a former U.S. government analyst and senior fellow at the Center for Advanced Studies on Terrorism, told FoxNews.com. “Also, because victims are often young women, they may feel that reporting the crime to authorities will draw too much attention to the family committing the crime.”
Even cases that appear to be honor killings, such as the Jan. 1, 2008 murder of two Irving, Texas, sisters that landed their father on the FBI’s most wanted list, cannot always be conclusively linked to a religious motivation. Without hard evidence, critics say, ascribing a religious motivation to crimes committed by Muslims demeans Islam. Yet, federal authorities believe they must be able to identify “honor” as a motive for violence and even murder if they are to address a growing cultural problem.
“Honor Violence Measurement Methods,” a study released earlier this year by research corporation Westat, and commissioned by the U.S. Department of Justice, identified four types of honor violence: forced marriage, honor-based domestic violence, honor killing and female genital mutilation. The report, which estimated that 23-27 honor killings per year occur in the U.S., noted that 91 percent of victims in North America are murdered for being “too Westernized,” and in incidents involving daughters 18 years or younger, a father is almost always involved. And for every honor killing, there are many more instances of physical and emotional abuse, all in the name of fundamentalist Islam, say experts….
In 2012, the mother, father and sister of 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi were charged with beating her because she refused an arranged marriage to an older man.
For police who encounter apparent honor crimes, the investigation is typically treated as a regular crime or murder probe, usually under the umbrella of domestic violence. While both issues are tragic and problematic, experts say there are critical distinctions, and that honor violence requires a different approach.
Detective Chris Boughey, of Peoria, Ariz., calls Oct. 20, 2009, a day that “changed my life forever.” That was the day Iraqi immigrant Faleh Almaleki murdered his daughter, Noor Almaleki, by running her over with his vehicle for becoming “too Westernized.” Boughey was assigned as the lead investigator and has since dedicated his career to educating others and taking on similar cases in numerous other states — from Alaska and New York to California, Washington state and Pennsylvania.
“In the Almaleki case, I learned very quickly that we would receive no assistance from the family,” Boughey said. “In fact, we received out-and-out defiance and resistance. Although we know they are involved, it can be very hard to prove in a court of law.”
Other honor-motivated tragedies in the U.S. have garnered headlines.
– In 2012, police arrested the mother, father and sister of 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi in Phoenix after they allegedly beat, restrained and burned her for reportedly declining an arranged marriage with an older man and talking to another boy.
– In 2009, Aasiya Hassan was beheaded by her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, at the Buffalo, N.Y., Muslim TV station where they worked for allegedly requesting a divorce. The Pakistani-born killer defended himself at trial, never denied his guilt and was convicted in 2011. A few months before Hassan was killed, Sandeela Kanwal was strangled by her father outside Atlanta for failing to “be true to her religion” because she wanted to leave an arranged marriage.
– In the 2008 case in Irving, Yasser Said, a cab driver from Egypt, is suspected of shooting his two daughters, Amina, 18, and Sarah Said, 17, in the back of his taxi because they were dating non-Muslim boys and embracing Western culture. Said has been a fugitive ever since….
– And in one of the earliest widely reported cases of honor killing in the U.S., 16-year-old Palestina Isa, of St. Louis, was murdered in 1989 by her father Zein Isa, who was helped by her mother. Zein Isa was angry that his daughter had gotten a job and was dating an African-American boy. Both parents were convicted of murder and sentenced to death. Zein Isa died on death row in 1997, while his wife’s sentence was commuted to life in prison without parole.
Honor violence is an even bigger problem in other parts of the Western world, with a reported 11,000 cases of honor violence recorded in the United Kingdom in the last five years while incidents also have been documented in Canada, Germany, France and Sweden.
Baric affirmed that given immigration trends in the last decade — an influx from Middle Eastern and South Asian countries where honor violence is part of the culture — the problem will continue to worsen if authorities don’t identify and address it. Boughey said honor violence, whether it be abuse and murder, FGM, or forced marriage — is much more widespread in America than most people realize and, as it stands, authorities have no proper system in place to track it….
One of the biggest challenges, Boughey said, is the social pressures to not be deemed “culturally insensitive.” That can keep social service agencies from alerting law enforcement when honor violence crosses their radar.
“Some agencies won’t intervene even after these young women have come forward,” he said. “I am not quite sure when we as a country decided that it was more important to be politically correct than doing the right thing.”…
Mainstream Muslims condemn honor violence without equivocation, said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the [Hamas-linked — ed.] Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).
“If anyone mistreats women, they should not seek refuge in Islam,” he said.
Republican Muslim Coalition Executive Director Saba Ahmed also said such “barbaric acts” are in total conflict with the teachings of Islam….
Walter Sieruk says
The cruel brutal and and murderous Islamic tradition which is called “honor killing” is vicious and callous too the extreme. This heartless and heinous Islamic custom reflects the low value and worth that females, both girls and women, have in Islam. Which scholars on this religion have shown ,many times over, by the Koran and the other authorized written works of Islam. As Brigitte Gabriel, who is the founder and head of actforamercia.org , had exposed in her book THEY MUST BE STOPPED that “Women in Islam are considered unclean, deemed inferior event to dirt..” In her same book she also was right on the mark when he wrote “Honor killings have also come to the West thanks to the rise of Islamic immigration.”
Indeed, they must be stopped !
Shane says
Honor killings of women are just one of the many reasons why no Western country should allow Muslim immigration. Islam is a religion of jihad and misogyny and they just do not fit in in our country.
Anka says
Women of Islam should stand up for themselves and fight for the life they truely deserve. Rise up Beautiful Women of Islam! You deserve to have the freedom that every human being deserves!
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, Anka, all too many Muslimahs believe that other women should be controlled, beaten, and even “Honor Killed”–after all, they have been steeped in the same viciousness of Islam as the men.
Many women, in fact, have *participated* in the murder of their daughters and other female relatives.
bernie says
Many Muslim women also participate in the atrocity of FGM (“female circumcision” is a fraudulent euphemism…it’s really female genital mutilation….it’s good to see that some people in Egypt and elsewhere are finally turning against it, the more the better.).
Walter Sieruk says
This cruel ,vicious ,brutal murderous Islamic tradition of “honor killing” exposes Islam to be a death cult.. This is in strong contrast is Christianity which is centered on Jesus .Who taught ” I have come that they might have life and that they might have it more abundantly. ‘ John 10:10. [K.J.V.]
Walter Sieruk says
The way that a Christian father handles the situation when he feels disappointed by his daughter because he doesn’t like how she is behaving is that at worst he will scold her with harsh words and then shun her until she comes around and behaves as a Christian girl should. In contrast , if a Muslim father feels disappointed by his daughter because he doesn’t like how she is behaving he might engage in the cruel ,brutal and heartless action of murdering her it what Muslims call an “honor killing.”. The difference in how the Christian father and Muslim father deal with situation of being disappointed with his daughter is large and great as well as as outstanding. The very action of what is called “honor killing” alone is enough to prove that Islam is not only unloving and unkind is a vicious death cult..
BC says
“then shun her until she comes around and behaves as a Christian girl should.”
EXCUSE ME! If that is how a Christian girl is supposed to behave, ie not to follow her heart but the wishes of her father, then it is only marginally different from Islam. Non Muslim fathers are not, at least in modern days, to be the agent of ‘god’ ruling the family and keeping them on the ‘sacred’ path. We live in a free society which is what makes us completely different from Muslims. Maybe you belong to some radical Christian sect.
Rezali Mehil says
BC…You tell that Walter Sh*thead about free society and how the modern Christian girl is able to slap her father for complaining about not returning home on time …full of booze,cigarette smoke and braless.
You tell him how she said oh god.. oh god …during her prayer with her boy friend…
yes it is a free society…you tell him…
More Later
Rezali
gravenimage says
The evil Rezali Mehil wrote:
BC…You tell that Walter Sh*thead about free society and how the modern Christian girl is able to slap her father for complaining about not returning home on time …full of booze,cigarette smoke and braless.
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What devout Christian girl acts like this? What rot.
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You tell him how she said oh god.. oh god …during her prayer with her boy friend…
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Even greater calumny–the idea that Christian prayer consists of having premarital sex.
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yes it is a free society…you tell him…
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But what this evil bint is doing here is positing that this is what life is like if fathers are not free to murder their children with impunity.
In fact, this vicious b*tch has many times *lauded* “Honor” murderers, and claimed that they *they* are the “true victims”. *Ugh*.
And her implication that pious Muslims are murdering their daughters to defend themselves from physical violence could not be more grotesque–we hear the “reasons” for “Honor Killings” all the time, and they involve such matters as the girls resisting forced Hijab and forced marriages, or for their having dared to marry for love.
God, I hate Islam.
Joseph says
@ Rezali Mehil
You are just plain weird.
weird (wîrd)
adj. weird·er, weird·est
1. Strikingly odd or unusual, especially in an unsettling way; strange
bernie says
Rezali: yes, society has become too free indeed. In Britain, predatory men of Pakistani Muslim background can often get away with abducting, drugging, drunkening and gang-raping non-Muslim girls on an industrial scale, based on a plausible interpretation of the Qu’ran, yet it’s somehow “racist” or “intolerant” to plainly speak out about it, and demand that corrective action and justice be taken.
Kepha says
As a teacher of teens and the grandfather of a girl, I have a few thoughts on this post and the exchange between Walter Sieruk, BC, and Rezali.
If anyone thinks I am uttering an apology for honor killings, I will try to come back and haunt you after I’m dead, even if it is against the religion I profess. That’s how mad this thread makes me.
Where I teach in these enlightened, liberated, EmCeePeeCee and post-modern eastern United States, I have seen way too many promising young women (granted, mostly thoroughly secularized rather than Christian, and including a few young Muslimas) who are utterly derailed because they “follow their hearts” instead of the advice of their parents (including a good many sadder but wiser single mothers). How? They fall to the sweet talk of some lustful young hound dog who cares only for a few minutes’ gratification and leaves the poor girl a lonely, over-burdened single mother long before she is anywhere near ready for the responsibilities of parenthood. And talk about sins pursuing people to the third and fourth generations! I’ve seen some girls derailing themselves as a way of throwing their own mothers’ mistakes back in their faces.
Yes, every so often some family gets smart and takes the “baby daddy” (I’d rather call him a sire, after a dog or a donkey) to family court. And, oh just look at the windfall gotten by garnishing the weekend wages from Mickey D’s!
So, I sympathize with Walter Sieruk’s Christian father who rebukes a wayward daughter. I have no regrets about having rebuked wayward sons on occasion (I was not blessed with daughters).
While honor killings disgust me, and much as I think an erring young woman deserves a little loving sympathy and help along with a much-deserved rebuke, I will at least note that these traditionalist Muslims recognize one important thing: IT IS A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY AND HARD WORK TO BRING A CHILD INTO THE WORLD AND RAISE IT! There are SERIOUS consequences for irresponsible sexuality–with or without dishonor killings.
The people I’d publicly string up or decapitate (after due process, of course) are not poor, wayward girls, but all those So-Smarts of the Silly ‘Sixties and Sillier ‘Seventies who thought it would be so wonderful to be more sexually spontaneous like [those people of color]. I am ashamed to admit that I shared neighborhoods and gene pools with such civilizational malcontents.
And, while our liberal secular sensibilities [yes, that’s how I was raised] recoil in disgust from how the Bible speaks of sins pursuing families to the third and fourth generations of those who hate the Almighty, I’ve seen a few of those derailed young women who got themselves pregnant out of wedlock simply to spite mothers who bore them that way.
When I think about all those golden rebels who created the modern Western literary, philosophic, and artistic canons who ended up smoking the business ends of firearms, overdosing themselves into that final, bitter sleep, screaming in terror about descending into Hell while dying, or in syphilitic stupor embracing cart horses and declaring fraternity with them, I believe they were part and parcel of the slow suicide of the West. Presenting such people as heroes and “pioneers” is one reason why I call myself a professional swindler of the young rather than a teacher and a cog in a vast, dysfunctional, swindle that dares go by the name of “education”. Yes. “Follow your heart”, and get yourself into an inextricable mess.
As a teacher, I’d urge everyone to please correct your children FOR THEIR SAKES, if nothing else! Yes, I’m shouting.
Dear Rezali–The kid who comes home stinking of vice and striking a parent is not the product of Christianity, but of a rebellion against it that is partly begotten by a passel of romantic authors and writers who, back in more innocent times, looked at your slums surrounded by deserts from afar and thought them greener pastures (not least because of the open sensuality, polyamory, and homosexuality of Islamic societies). Your Muhammad’s lusting after the wife of Zaid or deflowering a child of nine strikes me as a crass blasphemer how covered his personal lusts for sex, plunder, and power by taking God’s name in vain. Besides, it’s your religion, not mine, that denies original sin and thus has “following one’s heart” as a perfectly rational course (even if only limited to dominant males).
Angemon says
Kepha posted:
“I will at least note that these traditionalist Muslims recognize one important thing: IT IS A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY AND HARD WORK TO BRING A CHILD INTO THE WORLD AND RAISE IT! There are SERIOUS consequences for irresponsible sexuality–with or without dishonor killings.”
I agree with you on the parts about being a huge responsibility to bring a child into the world and the serious consequences for irresponsible sexuality, but I disagree with the part about traditionalist muslims recognizing it on the grounds that there’s a difference between their treatment of boys and girls.How many muslim boys were killed for dating a non-muslim girl and how many muslimas were killed for dating a non-muslim boy? I bet the ratio on that is one-sided.
gravenimage says
Kepha wrote:
I will at least note that these traditionalist Muslims recognize one important thing: IT IS A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY AND HARD WORK TO BRING A CHILD INTO THE WORLD AND RAISE IT!
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Kepha–with all respect–I don’t believe this is something “traditionalist” (i.e. fundamentalist) Muslims recognize *at all*.
Instead, they believe they can murder their children for any reason–or none. Just look at that book of Shari’ah, the Reliance of the Traveler.
Muslims believe that they may beat their children without reason; “marry” their under-aged daughters off to filthy old pedophiles; that they can deny them an education, that they can force them to wear the slave rag; that they can force them to marry for their own personal monetary gain, without any concern for love.
And they teach their children to hate and murder unbelievers–even to kill themselves while murdering others in suicide attacks.
This is not indicative of “responsibility”–indeed, it is indicative of child abuse of a sort completely unknown even to most of the flaky leftist parents you describe.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Angemon.
Rezali Mehil says
Kepha …thank you for agreeing with me …Muslims are the most responsible parents I know (me included).
Graven …does not want you to know the truth …she pretends that all is fine and dandy in the West…mind you she is in position to judge.
She has ear lobes with 1/4 in holes …wears wide Egyptian ear rings …married a man who loves Jaffa oranges (i.e. seedless) and is childless.
Not having ever looked after children…she is in no position to judge…she is trying to poison the people here with her pathological “sermons”…she pretends she knows more than all of us put together here …she talks over people …look at how she replies for Champ knowiing that she struggles.
Kepha…you are not bad for kuffar ..
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Rezali
gravenimage says
More unhinged ranting from the homicidal Rezali Mehil.
And on a less important matter, some might wonder what her bizarre reference is to my ears. I just mentioned in passing a few months ago that I have ordinary pieced ears–nothing unusual about this at all–and she concocted a freakish fantasy about my having enlarged ear holes that my husband had developed an erotic interest in. This was based on nothing whatsoever.
She has now seen fit to speculate extensively on her strange fantasy of my and my husband’s love life ever since.
But even if my husband and I did have some sort of kinky private love life, what of it? That would be a matter between the two of us, and something that would harm no one.
Quite unlike Rezali Mehil’s sickening defense of Muslims savagely murdering their own daughters for refusing to wear Hijab or for daring to marry for love.
Champ says
Graven wrote:
And on a less important matter, some might wonder what her bizarre reference is to my ears. I just mentioned in passing a few months ago that I have ordinary pieced ears–nothing unusual about this at all–and she concocted a freakish fantasy about my having enlarged ear holes that my husband had developed an erotic interest in. This was based on nothing whatsoever.
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Oh my, rezali certainly is a gifted liar. And as an aside, it’s something even her name reveals, since you get *liar* from her first name: rezali, and *lie* from her last name: mehil. Of course this is of no real importance. I’m just sayin’ …it’s what she actually writes which proves that she’s a liar, and that she makes things up out seemingly out of thin air …
Notice what rezali also wrote about me in her comment to you:
“…look at how she replies for Champ knowiing that she struggles.”
Again, I don’t know where she’s getting her lousy information, since I have NEVER stated any “struggles” on Jihad Watch. And given the context, here, I think she means that I struggle with children ..?? Which I certainly don’t! So again, her comment isn’t even true about me, either. In fact, it’s weird, and it doesn’t resonate with me, at all. Well, I can only thank God that I don’t have so many odd ideas about others and/or live in rezali’s strange world.
Oh, and you certainly weren’t talking “over me”, nor do you ever do this to anyone else here. This is impossible to do, and would be an amazing feat to perform, since everything is in writing–leaving zero chance to “talk over” anyone. Obviously she means you offer your own opinion in response to others, which at times may not be in agreement with said person, but so what. Oh how dare you, Graven, lol! What, is ridiculous rezali kidding? That’s what happens here by everyone.
Oh, why do I bother …
Champ says
Quite unlike Rezali Mehil’s sickening defense of Muslims savagely murdering their own daughters for refusing to wear Hijab or for daring to marry for love.
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Quite right, Graven.
gravenimage says
Champ, there’s a reason Rezali Mehil goes after strong, brave, decent Infidel women like you, Mirren, and Dumbledore’s Army–she knows you are her greatest enemy, and will always oppose her loveless savagery.
Champ says
Thank you so much, Graven! …and the same is true of you, too! 🙂
somehistory says
They won’t get it right until they get it right and say the truth in spite of what it does to the *image* of the beast.
It isn’t honorable, but it is islam
islam is *dark*…murder of one’s family member/members due to the member not adhering to the unholy demands is just part of the darkness and is not a *special* interpretation of the unholy writings of the beast.
Kevin Sagan says
“Honor Killing” is a euphemism for “Human Sacrifice.” As in killing someone to pay for a sin of some kind.
mortimer says
Republican Muslim Coalition Executive Director Saba Ahmed also said such “barbaric acts” are in total conflict with the teachings of Islam….
A manual of Islamic law certified by Al-Azhar as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy says that “retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (‘Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2).
In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law. In accord with this, in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that “Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.”
And related to the practice is this:
“The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside.” — Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4457
Khadir, or Khidr, figures in sura 18 of the Qur’an. He is traveling with Moses, and: “Then they proceeded: until, when they met a young man, he [Khadir] slew him. Moses said: “Hast thou slain an innocent person who had slain none? Truly a foul (unheard of) thing hast thou done!” Khadir replies: “As for the youth, his parents were people of Faith, and we feared that he would grieve them by obstinate rebellion and ingratitude (to Allah and man). So we desired that their Lord would give them in exchange (a son) better in purity (of conduct) and closer in affection….” (18:74, 18:80-81).
Honor killing is normative Islam. Saba Ahmed lied.
crankywhitewoman says
Lying is normative Islam as well.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, thanks for citing that repulsive killing by Khidr (the Green Man) of the young boy.
Notice, too, that the victim was never *actually* disobedient–Khidr, like pious Muslim fathers and husbands, just *feared* disobedience one their part.
Compare this to the Christian parable of the Prodigal Son…
Undaunted says
I wrote the post linked to below shortly after Amina and Sarah were murdered knowing that it would not stop; that Muslim savages would continue to dispose of their daughters, sisters, aunts, cousins, friends and that eventually the slaughter would become so frequent that we’d have to sit up and take notice.
Naaaaah. Never mind. That’ll never happen here.
gravenimage says
Undaunted, one of the most repulsive things about Islamophilic Canadian Prime Minister elect Trudeau is that he objected to “Honor Killings” being referred to as barbaric.
Angemon says
Who? Who are these critics? Who? Who?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYDMmZqv9wI
Follow the evidence.
Champ says
“honor killing”
What a false term. There is no “honor” in murdering your own child. Like most things islamic, they have everything backwards, sideways, upsidedown …where evil is good, and good is evil. Sick.
Rezali Mehil says
Salaam Champ,
You back from having you tummy tuck and nose job? All that lies about being married young …and having grand children to “boot”.
Anyway how are *they* behaving? The truth is that kuffar give up on their daughters very quickly …look at all the girls abandoned in Rotherham UK by the kuffar …horrendous….and then the innocent muslim taxi drivers (who would have got them home safely) …they were told to have trackers fitted on their taxis at their own cost ….I mean where is the bloody council grants when you need them?
For that matter l.ook at the 200 Nigerian girls abandoned by their parents …Christian kuffar too.
I tell you leaving them to foreign elements is not in the muslim phychie …there is a lesson there for kuffar …especially you.
More Later…
Rezali
Champ says
rezali is always a bright ray of sunshine and joy, isn’t she? NOT.
Even if I needed a tummy tuck and a nose job–which I don’t–the *last* thing I would spend my hard earned money on is plastic surgery. I take care of myself through diet and exercise, good skin care, etc, so there’s no need for any of that. And a nose job would only make my nose smaller, since it’s already a size too small as it is. Ok, maybe I could use a nose enlargement …if such a proceedure exists, lol! But again, the last thing I would waste my $$ on is plastic surgery. And I don’t know why I bothered responding to this silly nonsense, except to set the record straight.
Ok carry on “really mean” spreading your sunshine and light …
Actually, her comments do serve an important function as Exhibit A, since they demonstrate to the reader even *more* reasons–in addition to the daily headlines–as to why islam and company have absolutely NOTHING to offer humanity.
In fact rezali reminds me that islam, and its adherents, are not only dangerous, but toxic to our world, as well.
gravenimage says
The appalling Rezali Mehil wrote:
Salaam Champ,
You back from having you tummy tuck and nose job? All that lies about being married young …and having grand children to “boot”.
Anyway how are *they* behaving?
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Champ has a wonderful and loving family life–and she has never felt the need–needless to say–to threaten to “Honor Kill” her own children to achieve that. Indeed, you cannot achieve such a thing *with* this kind of violence.
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The truth is that kuffar give up on their daughters very quickly …look at all the girls abandoned in Rotherham UK by the kuffar …horrendous….and then the innocent muslim taxi drivers (who would have got them home safely) …they were told to have trackers fitted on their taxis at their own cost ….I mean where is the bloody council grants when you need them?
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How *evil* is this? Rezali Mehil has no problems with her own pious coreligionists using these poor under-aged children as sex slaves.
And then she mischaracterizes these Mohammedan cab drivers kidnapping girls and driving them to rape houses as “getting them home safely”.
But why not? Not only is this evil Muslimah a fan of “Honor Killing”,but she believes Muslims can rape and enslave Infidels–even little girls–with complete impunity.
And she may claim that she is just criticizing the neglectful Kuffar in the UK who allowed this to happen–but this is not so, because she is castigating the efforts they finally made–no matter how belatedly–to finally put an end to this Muslim abuse of children.
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For that matter l.ook at the 200 Nigerian girls abandoned by their parents …Christian kuffar too.
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Again, she has no trouble with Boko Haram mass abducting and raping these poor girls–and why would she? Abduction and sex slavery is perfectly Islamic.
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I tell you leaving them to foreign elements is not in the muslim phychie …
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Of course not–instead, as in this story, pious Muslims simply *murder their daughters themselves*.
Including rape victims, of course–here are pious Muslims *stoning a 13-year-old rape victim to death*:
“Amnesty International: ‘Woman’ stoned to death in Somalia was 13-year-old rape victim”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/amnesty-international-woman-stoned-to-death-in-somalia-was-13-year-old-rape-victim
God, I hate Islam.
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there is a lesson there for kuffar …especially you.
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Indeed, this is so–we know that good Infidels need to protect their children from ravening Muslim like Rezali Mehil.
Champ says
Thank you, Graven. And great reply to the revolting rezali.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Champ. Great to see you posting again.
gravenimage says
Champ, your assessment of the horror of Muslims murdering their own children is spot on.
As for the ugly Rezali Mehil, whenever she attacks an Anti-Jihadist here, she just shows how hideous her vile religion truly is.
Champ says
Indeed, Graven.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
According to ‘Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2, there are six people in the world who are entitled to kill you with impunity: your two parents, plus your four grandparents. But what aya or hadith does ‘Umdat al-Salik cite in support of this assertion? And why do Muslim husbands (e.g., Muzzammil Hassan of Orchard Park, NY) and brothers think they’re entitled to kill you too? Why is this homicidal privilege not extended to sisters, cousins, and aunts?
http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/pinafore/web_opera/pin08.html
Also, according to ‘Umdat al-Salik, your grandmother need not have a religious motive for killing you; she is entitled to kill you to gain possession of your Air Jordans.
http://www.sneakerfreaker.com/articles/10-of-the-most-stupidly-expensive-sneakers-ever/
dsinc says
“a radical and dark interpretation of Islam” is making excuses for Islam. Islam at it’s core is dark and radical compared to Western values. Islam is inexcusable and the civilized world must wake up and accept this fact before it is too late.
Jay Boo says
Good Morning Muslim World.
It is time to wake up again and stare into your miserable empty pit.
The photo is not very clear but I can only imagine how their eyes must have sparkled with joyful enthusiasm for life in the brief moment when this photo was taken.
Behold how a prism can bend light and reveal a hidden visual spectrum to delight.
But the black stone symbolizes only the selfish grasping nature of Islam and offers only death, destruction, and eternal darkness for souls rotted by vanity and spite.
Charli Main says
Islam the ” religion” of psychopathic control freaks, where women are for using, abusing and discarding like garbage by their male owners. CUE for Western feminists to enter, wearing burkas and singing about the freedoms enjoyed by Muslim women.
Westman says
A muslim who purposefully kills his child has no honor, has no conscience, is little more than a predator animal, and deserves no further right to life. Honor killing is tribalism, killing to maintain status in a disgusting failing institution that functions barely above the bovine.
Obviously, Allah is little different than the inanimate stones he replaced. There is no evidence anywhere, that he has ever intervened in the mayhem of his followers or cared about the outcome. His name is used, shouted even, to justify the evil in men’s hearts as they steal from infidels and enforce draconian “honor” among thieves.
Kepha says
honor killings–a Muslim man’s “right to choose”; abortion, Islamic-style.
Yes, Westman, too much in Islam strikes this Christian man as the blessing of sin.
gravenimage says
True, Westman–but Muslims are considerably worse than predatory animals, most of whom would never kill their own offspring. And bovines are actually good parents.
The problem is that Islam is so vicious, that one cannot really compare the evil of pious Muslims to anything else.
Michael Copeland says
“Control killing” suggests a British policeman.
“Where is the honour in incinerating a four-year-old child?”, he asked after a Pakistani muslim burnt his house down with everyone in it, because his wife was becoming too Western.
Semeru says
Spencer refers to
“retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (‘Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2).
But he cannot give any quote from the koran or any hadithe that supports what is writen in Umdat al-Salik
Also it is very unlikely that anybody murdering their child is aware of Umdat al-Salik
Spencer cannot quote a single country that has sharia law that gives lighter sentence for honour killing, but what Spencer does do is mention The Palestinian Authority gives pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders. But he does not mention that the criminal code is not based on islam sharia law but on article 18 of the (British Mandate-issued) Criminal Code
Furthermore Spencer mentions Iraq, Syria and Jordian, He does not mention that in these three countries, the laws are not based on sharia but on laws left over from the Ottoman period which in turn is based on the French Penal code
An analysis of legal structures in several Arab countries determined that the majority of penal codes (Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait, Egypt, Iraq, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Morocco, and Oman) supporting honor killings and protecting the murderers can be traced to the French penal code of 1810, and not sharia
France
Article 324 Penal Code 1810
(repealed by Article 17 law no.617/75 of 7/11/75)
He who catches his spouse, his female ascendant, female descendant or his sister in
the act (en flagrant délit) of adultery or illegitimate sexual relations with a third party and commits unpremeditated homicide or wounding against the person of one or the other of them may be exempted from liability.*
He who commits murder or wounding may be liable to a lesser penalty [in view of
extenuating circumstances] if he has surprised his spouse, female ascendant or
descendant or sister with a third person in a suspicious situation.
OTTOMAN:
Article 188 Penal Code 1858
He who has seen his wife or any of his female mahrams* with another in a state of
disgraceful adultery and has beaten, injured, or killed one or both of them will be
exempted [from liability] (ma`fu). He who has seen his wife or one of his female
mahrams with another in an unlawful bed and has beaten, injured or killed one or both
of them will benefit from an excuse (ma`dhur).
Below is a list of the penal codes of moslem states relevant to `crimes of honour`
ALGERIA
Article 279 Penal Code 1991
EGYPT
Article 237 Penal Code (no.58 1937):
IRAQ
Article 409 Penal Code 1966
Whosoever surprises his wife or one of his [female] mahrams in the act of adultery [in
flagrante delicto] or finds her in one bed with her partner and kills them immediately
or kills one of them, or attacks both or one of them in an assault that leads to death or
permanent disability, shall be punished by prison for a period not exceeding three
years.*
Use of the lawful right of defence is not permitted against whoever benefits from this
excuse and the rules of aggravating circumstances shall not be applied against him.
JORDAN
Penal Code No.16 1960: Article 340:
1.
There shall benefit from the mitigating excuse (`udhr mukhaffaf) whosoever
surprises his wife or one of his ascendants or descendents in the crime of adultery or
in an unlawful bed, and kills her immediately or kills the person fornicating with her
or kills both of them or attacks her or both of them in an assault that leads to death or
wounding or injury or permanent disability.
2.
Shall benefit from the same excuse the wife who surprises her husband in the
crime of adultery or in an unlawful bed in the marital home and kills him immediately
or kills the woman with whom he is fornicating or kills both of them or attacks him or
both of them in an assault that leads to death or wounding or injury or permanent
disability.
3.
The right of lawful defence shall not be permitted in regard to the person who
benefits from this excuse nor shall the provisions of “aggravated circumstances”
(zuruf mushaddida) apply
KUWAIT
Article 153 Penal Code
LEBANON
Article 562 Penal Code 1943 (as amended 1983, 1994, 1995, 1996 and 1999):
LIBYA
Penal Code Article 375
MOROCCO
Penal code 1963 as amended: Article 418:
OMAN
Penal Code Article 252:
SYRIA
Article 548 Penal Code 1949 (as amended 1953):
1.
He who surprises his spouse or one of his ascendants or descendants or his
sister committing adultery or illegitimate sexual acts with another person and he
unintentionally kills or injures one or both of them benefits from an exemption of
penalty.
2.
The perpetrator of the murder or injury shall benefit from a reduction in
penalty if he surprises his spouse or one of his ascendants, descendants or sister in a
“suspicious” situation with another.
TUNISIA
Article 207 of Penal Code 1991 (repealed)
UAE
Article 334 of law no.3/1978
YEMEN
Article 232 of law no.12/1994
https://www.soas.ac.uk/honourcrimes/resources/file55421.pdf
Mark Spahn says
Semeru writes
==QUOTE==
Spencer refers to
“retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (‘Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2).
But he cannot give any quote from the koran or any hadithe that supports what is writen in Umdat al-Salik
==UNQUOTE==
Dear Semeru,
Robert Spencer does not cite a Quran passage or hadith to justify o1.1-2, but neither does ‘Umdat al-Salik itself. In fact, ‘Umdat al-Salik does not cite Islamic scripture for *any* of its rulings. Does it? What do you make of this? Should we therefore reject all the rulings of ‘Umdat al-Salik (a/k/a “Reliance of the Traveller”) as unIslamic?
Semeru says
I hhink you will find that the Umdat al-Salik ruling o1.1-2 contradict the koran that says it is a great sin to kill your children.
Jack Diamond says
Honor killings of females relate to both the Islamic view of women and to the general punishments for apostasy, i.e. Amina and Sarah. Apostasy is a death penalty offense in shari’a law. The Qur’an and Sunnah have plenty to say about apostates and their punishment. Umdat al-Salik itself has an amazing selection of what constitutes “leaving Islam” and apostasy. Including thought crimes.
58:22 says you will not find any people who believe in Allah or the Last Day loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they be their fathers, son, brothers or kindred. The proper Qur’anic attitude to an apostate child is not love but al-baraa–rejection, enmity and hate. What you need to explain is why honor killing is so pervasively Muslim and occurs across the Muslim world defying any local or “cultural” explanation.
gravenimage says
Semeru is so full of crap. In Saudi Arabia–that most Islamic of states–a British-Saudi girl beaten and threatened with death by her father was able to slip out of the house one day and go to the police.
To her utter shock, the police told her that her father could murder her anytime he wanted, with utter impunity, for any reason at all.
“British girl kidnapped by Saudi father: ‘I told [the police] he was keeping me there against my will and all they said was, ‘He’s your father, if he wants he can kill you’.””
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/british-girl-kidnapped-by-saudi-father-i-told-the-police-he-was-keeping-me-there-against-my-will-and
Jeremiah says
Honor killings, rape, mutilation, enslavement, sharia. It is way past time to keep debating this. How many more lives are we to sacrifice? Where are the men entrusted with the care of women? Obviously the politicians are not interested. Time for Cromwell to lead the way. Clean this country up. Return to the enviable crime statistics of the fifties.
Semeru says
The laws calling for leniency for honour killing are based on French and Italian penal code an not sharia.
gravenimage says
What rot–if this were the case, then why wouldn’t it be French and Italians guilty of 90% of the world’s Honor Killings, rather than Muslims?
Besides, Muslims have been free of colonial rule for many decades at this point. The idea that they have to murder their children in Dar-al-Islam, in France and Italy, and in places like the United States as a result is just absurd.
Semeru says
craven imagination
What rot–if this were the case, then why wouldn’t it be French and Italians guilty of 90% of the world’s Honor Killings, rather than Muslims
How can it be rot when the lenienct laws towards honour killer in former ottoman empire states is based on the French penal code of 1810, and not sharia
In fact, the countries I listed above Sharia law play only a minor role in the government and is mostly limited to family law, with the exception of Yemen UAE and Iraq.
BTW There is hardly any country that uses full sharia-law from top to down.
Saudi Arabia is the closest and it only uses Sharia law in criminal justice only, and it doesn’t apply to upper-class or the royal family, which makes everything invalid.
Since colonization, there have been military regimes and dictatorships in the Muslim world either being supported by Soviet Union or America, and most of these countries made up their own (man-made constitutions) either based on communism, socialism or democracy, but they some how tell the people that they use Sharia law as bases when writing their constitution, but less than 20% of the time in criminal justice, other than that, there is no country that is implementing Sharia law fully.
This explains why we see in many countries islamists fighting the secular governments
craven imagination
Besides, Muslims have been free of colonial rule for many decades at this point.
That is true, but they have retained in many places the penal codes of the colonialists
gravenimage says
More copious crap from Semeru. The fact is that most Muslim countries wink at Honor Killings, offering reduced or suspended sentences. And far more often, these cases are never adjudicated at all.
The great majority of Honor Killings are committed by Muslims–and all on the basis of Islam, not of outdated Infidel judicial codes.
As for the claim that “there is no country that is implementing Sharia law fully”–there are a lot of countries that come *awfully close*–Somalia stoning rape victims to death; Iran doing the same, as well as hanging gay people from cranes; Nigeria sentencing the victims of incestual rape to be stone;, the Islamic State enslaving Infidels and sacralizing their rape…on an on.
The implied idea that full Shari’ah would somehow make things *better* for the victims of “Honor Killing” is just absurd.
Kepha says
@Graven, Angemon, Rezali:
I hope you noticed that I only pointed out something good that lies behind the evil of honor killings: a recognition that sexuality is to be used responsibly. Augustine of Hippo, standing on Scripture, noted that sin is the perversion of that which is good, and it strikes me that murdering a girl to punish fornication (or even a lewd look) is clearly a case of piling sin on sin.
Also, I did not praise the way Muslims seem to be bringing up their sons. People who encourage the “winners” in society to indulge every lust while urging the “losers” to go blow themselves up and take others with them are not creating a healthy _paideia_ (an excellent Greek term that covers education, child-rearing, culture, discipline, and was used to translate the Hebrew _musar_ when they produced the Septuagint), to engage in a bit of understatement.
Rezali–I cannot say that Muslims are the most responsible parents in the world–only marginally better than secularized Westerners. I once participated in a pro-life demo in front of what we euphemistically call a “women’s health center” (an abortion mill), and couldn’t help but notice that one family of clients emerging therefrom had the women in hijab and long skirts with the kufi-wearing man fingering his worry beads. You also teach your boys that murder, rape, theft, and exploitation of us Kuffar is right and proper. If you throw back the way Spain and Portugal treated the Indigenes of the Americas and Africa (bequeathing to Anglo-America many aspects of what we used to call the “Black Codes”), it frankly stinks of “Let’s do unto others as the Muslims did unto us.” And, as I said above, to train your boys to be what the rest of us call punks, hoodlums, and juvenile delinquents towards those outside your circle strikes me as the height of parental irresponsibility, and a very likely explanation why your societies have been such sinkholes for so long. Your own judges admit that if Sharia was truly and evenly enforced, most of the males in your countries would be running around minus a hand. I will further add that our following your slide into indolence, tribalism, corruption, sensuality, and shameless exploitation shows how we are becoming the post-Christian society that you already are.
No wonder Islam has such an appeal for the Western prison population: it blesses the very things for which those goons were locked up in the first place!
gravenimage says
Kepha wrote:
@Graven, Angemon, Rezali:
I hope you noticed that I only pointed out something good that lies behind the evil of honor killings: a recognition that sexuality is to be used responsibly.
……………………………,
Dear Kepha, pious Muslims believe that marrying for love is Haram, that a girl should be sold off by her father for personal gain, that polygamy–which destroys love–is Halal; they regard marriage not as union between a man and a woman, but a “Nikah” contract between the woman’s owner (usually her father) and the man he is selling her to for the use of her vagina; that underaged girls should be sold to pedophiles, that one can beat and rape one’s wife, that a man may not just rape his wives, but also *his sex slaves*, including prepubescent children, and that girls and women can be lawfully murdered by their husbands and fathers for resisting any of this savagery.
I’m sorry–I consider Honor Killing the worst manifestation of these horrors, but I don’t consider *any* Islamic tenets to be indicative of responsible sexuality.
Here’s one of the horrors that result from the Islamic view of “responsible” sexuality:
“Afghanistan: 8-year-old bride of mullah bleeds to death on her wedding night”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/05/afghanistan-8-year-old-bride-of-mullah-bleeds-to-death-on-her-wedding-night