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Archbishop of Canterbury: The way Islamic State distorts Islam “one of the most desperate aspects of our world today”

Nov 22, 2015 7:10 am By Robert Spencer

The possibility that they’re not distorting it at all, but carrying out Qur’anic commands to “kill the idolaters wherever you find them” (9:5) and the like, doesn’t enter his mind. Indeed, in an increasing number of Christian churches, anyone who raises such a possibility is silenced and ostracized: the idea that Islam is a Religion of Peace is the dogma that much of Christianity is most determined to inculcate in its people.

Justin Welby, profile

“Paris attacks caused archbishop to ‘doubt’ presence of God,” BBC, November 22, 2015 (thanks to Damian):

The Archbishop of Canterbury has said the terror attacks in Paris made him “doubt” the presence of God.

The Most Reverend Justin Welby told the BBC’s Songs Of Praise the killings had put a “chink in his armour”.

He said his reaction to the attacks had been “first shock and horror and then a profound sadness”, heightened because he and his wife once lived in Paris….

A bombing campaign against IS, particularly by French air forces, was launched in Syria shortly after the attack, but the archbishop warned against a potentially damaging instant reaction.

“Two injustices do not make justice. If we start randomly killing those who have not done wrong, that is not going to provide solutions. So governments have to be the means of justice,” he said.

Archbishop Welby also said the manner in which IS militants had distorted their faith, so that they believe their acts are glorifying their God, is “one of the most desperate aspects of our world today”.

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  1. Jaladhi says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 7:31 am

    Aren’t the Arch Bishops of Canterbury famous for coming with such nonsense?? Maybe they have become the arch bishops of Islam!!

    This bishop knows Islam more than that PH. D. caliph of Daesh aka ISIS aka ISIL or aka whatever ISLAM!! LOL..

    • ol white guy says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 7:50 am

      being intelligent or able to think critically does not seem to be required of the archbishop of Canterbury.

      • mortimer says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 9:27 am

        Archbishop Welby doesn’t realize (like most Western leaders) that Islam is DUALISTIC, rather than based on UNITARY logic.

        Islam speaks out of both sides of the mouth. Since Allah’s contradictions in the Koran are reflections of his ‘absolute will’, both sides of a contradiction are the words of Allah and are ‘perfect’ and eternal…even though incompatible.

        Until the archbishop understands that Islam is DUALISTIC, he cannot understand Islam’s many self-contradictions. He does not understand that Islam has no consistency because it is opportunistic.

    • Godwin says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 8:35 am

      Didn’t the Archbishop know about the persecution of the Christians in the ME n Christian refugees are being thrown overboard from rafts heading towards Europe. He is living in a well n starts spewing BS with his all-forgiving Christian values.

      • Christianblood says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 10:54 am

        There is no way the world can defeat islamic jihadism as long as such traitors as this “bishop” and millions of others like him are aiding and abetting and propagandizing for the global islamic jihadists and their evil islamic ideology.

  2. Andrew GB says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 7:32 am

    Had the same problem this morning at Church! I was lambasted for pulling the vicar when we were asked to prey for muslims.

    I said I had issues praying for muslims per-say and said I thought the koran was the basis of an evil cult. the response was like I’d pissed in the font. instead of leaving Church full of peace I left feeling like I was the odd one out for saying its the muslims that are causing the problems and we should not be asking them for forgiveness for their atrocities.

    no wonder the Church of England has falling numbers!

    • Rezali Mehil says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 8:02 am

      Hello Andrew,

      How are You?
      Looks like U have been reading Spencer and now have a distorted view of the world.
      No need for you to be odd one out …let these bros pray for muslims .. they too will prey for them.

      You know that Islam is submission….please all convert and lets get global peace on the road …

      There a good boy..

      More Later ..

      Rezali

      • John spielman says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 8:15 am

        Dear Rezali; please read my response to Andrew GB. It is you who should repent and turn to Christ Jesus to have your sins forgiven because Allah being satan cannot forgive sins. Nor can good work cancel ones sins( neither in this life’s justice system nor in that of a Holy Righteous God!

      • dr andrew michael says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 8:21 am

        Dear Razali ‘let these bros pray for Muslims .. they too will prey for them.’ I love it, they too, Muslims will prey for them because Muslims are predators!!

      • Baucent says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 8:33 am

        Do you know the difference between “pray” and “prey” Rezi?

        You Shiites will find out about it when your Sunni cousins come after you.

        More later.

      • Westman says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 8:34 am

        Rezali, who “Lets the good times troll”

      • Raja says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 12:01 pm

        Rezali,

        Mohammad, a son of hell will only take your life to hell where you will life will never be quenched. Your body will be left here on earth like everyone else All your male counterparts with erectile ecstasy and false hope will NOT SEE EVEN AN IOTA OF what is promised by Satan to Muslims. (72 virgins etc)

        BTW, why do you act like an imp with the words more later. You can only be saved by God. Be a disciple of Christ and we can meet God in confidence. Better late than NEVER.

        • Raja says

          Nov 22, 2015 at 12:04 pm

          Sorry for the error:

          It reads:

          where you will life will never be quenched

          It should read: Where your life will never be quenched.

      • mortimer says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 4:28 pm

        Rezali wrote: “You know that Islam is submission….please all convert ”

        We all know that Islam is SLAVERY and Robert Spencer did not convince us of that…Islam taught us.

        Your version of ‘peace’ is the peace of the graveyard and the absence of rational thought.

        Rezali, you are a zombie.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 6:15 pm

        The vicious Rezali Mehil wrote, replying to Andrew GB:

        Hello Andrew,

        How are You?
        Looks like U have been reading Spencer and now have a distorted view of the world.
        No need for you to be odd one out …let these bros pray for muslims .. they too will prey for them.
        …………………………

        The evil Rezali Mehil is taking advantage of Andrew’s minor typo to make a *very* salient point–while those at Andrew’s church will be kindly (if foolishly) praying for Muslims, that ravening Muslims will be *preying on them*.

        What does she find “distorted” about Robert Spencer’s views? Not that Muslims are preying on us, but that we dare *resist* such violence.

        More:

        You know that Islam is submission….please all convert and lets get global peace on the road …

        There (sic) a good boy..
        …………………………

        “Global peace”–right. Never mind that Muslims not only prey on Infidels like the Christians at Andrew’s church, but also on “other sect” Muslims–like the pious Sunni Jihadists of the Islamic State raping, enslaving, and murdering Rezali Mehil’s own fellow Shi’ites.

        But even the slaughter of her own people does not matter to devout Muslims such as Rezali Mehil–just so long as Islam spreads.

      • Mo says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 7:42 pm

        @ Rezali Mehil

        “Looks like U have been reading Spencer and now have a distorted view of the world.”

        Those of us who know what your blood cult teaches have the correct view of the world: the view that says your ideology wants us to convert, submit, or die.

        What about this statement is false? (You know you won’t answer.)

      • Jay Boo says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 8:21 pm

        @Rezali
        I just slapped Islam’s Allah in the face yesterday and made him kiss my butt after he slithered under the soles of my shoes. Don’t bother to pull a fast one with Islam’s self-serving claim about an Allah of the people of the “Book”.
        Muslims are always reminding us that Allah is for Muslims only.

        Many Muslims will of course get (red in the face) mad with bulging eyeballs at hearing that their supposed greatest of all god serpent had his serpent Butt kicked (yes, I know serpents don’t have literal butts because I am writing figuratively which is beyond the reasoning power of fundamentalist Muslims including Muhammad who was caught like a rapist with his pants down in his literal SATANIC VERSE worship of pagan deities.

        But Why should Muslims get angry at all?
        Isn’t the angry and supposedly all powerful Muslim god-Allah supposed to be able to enact his ever-present always vengeful wrath on his own accord without the constant assistance of Muslim helpers?

        If Muslims truly believed that Allah was such a vengeful bad ass they would not be angry but pity me instead.

        Yes, even Muslims know that Allah is a joke.

      • Andrew GB says

        Nov 24, 2015 at 5:15 am

        You are correct I have been reading this site for a while but haven’t been on recently for about 6 months.

        I’ll convert to Islam but what’s in it for me though? I don’t groom children, like a pint and I like to wash and dress according to my surroundings (i.e. not wear garb for the heat in the North West of England in winter!!). Therefore I must decline your very kind offer of joining you and the false Prophet Mo the Goat shagger.

        Now I understand why I don’t comment any more on here. Keyboard warriors and the stench of pislam.

        Hey. have a nice day.

    • John spielman says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 8:11 am

      This because the Church of England has a long history of apostasy. This is just the latest, tell your. Bishop/ priest that he should read the qur ‘an and hadiths of muhammed pbuh*. Allah of islam is NOT GOD but satan,because all of the attributes of Allah; lying, cruelty, torture, murder, stealing are actually those os satan in the Bible. Muhammed, according to St Paul, listened to satan masquerading as ” an angel of light”. muhammed was nothing but a demon possessed false prophet, mass murderer thief liar misogynist and pedophile pervert!
      Pbuh* – perpetual banishment unto hell!

      • Michael Copeland says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 2:06 pm

        Just chapter 9 will do.

        • mortimer says

          Nov 23, 2015 at 12:27 am

          Caliph Al Baghdadi, who is the Isis chief and the caliph of the Islamic State, is the first Islamic Studies PhD from a Muslim background who has no idea about Islam.
          Al-Baghdadi who has obtained BA, MA and PhD degrees in Islamic studies from the Islamic University in Baghdad has been condemned as a person who knows nothing about Islam, and the head of an organization that has nothing to do with Islam.
          The professors from the Islamic University of Baghdad, however, do not agree. They taught the caliph and believe his credentials and doctrine are sound.
          “If a person who has a PhD in Islamic studies and does nothing but study the Islamic scriptures knows nothing about Islam, then who does?” questioned al-Baghdadi’s main teacher from the Islamic University, preferring to remain anonymous since the fatwa against ISIS and its chief puts his reputation into jeopardy.
          “The wine sipping Muslims, those hedonistic adulterers will tell the world what true Islam is? Obama and Cameron know more about Islam than the faculty of Islamic studies at the Islamic University in Baghdad?” the professor bellowed with rage, while talking to a journalist.
          Another professor who had taught al-Baghdadi in BA said off the record that the Isis caliph was an ardent student.
          “He had this obsession with Islamic studies. I used to tell him to go out and have some fun sometimes. But his idea of fun wasn’t too human friendly,” the professor said. “In any case he was a top student. One of the best I’ve ever had. Had the entire syllabus on his finger tips – to be honest, he knew more about Islamic studies than most of the professors.”
          “While you can question whether they are humans or not, there is no doubt that the Isis, including Abu Bakr, are indeed bona fide Muslims,” concluded the ISIS caliph’s PhD professor.

    • christH says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 12:55 pm

      Dear Andrew.
      Was at an Anglican Church today where they read that Jesus had been handed over to the Jews…whereas we all know that Jesus was arrested by the Jews and handed over to the Roman Governor Pilate.
      I do wonder whether the Church of England has decided to revert to ancient blood libels and new dispensation crap a la Stephen Sizer…as opposed to translating its own bible correctly.
      It`s not as if anybody but Islam, Corbyns lefty Israel haters and the New Romans will thank Welby for doing this.
      Jesus was Jewish-no Jew, no Gospel-no God and no point…so thank you Israel, and stuff the poltroon Cof E

      • Kepha says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 2:45 pm

        Now you know why some of us are Puritans. 😉

        • deja vu says

          Nov 22, 2015 at 3:17 pm

          Amen! Or reformed Baptists as we are.

      • deja vu says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 3:52 pm

        Perhaps I should add that the body of believers (the real meaning of the word ‘church’) has Jesus as its Head – not a fallen human being with a fancy title and a head full of nonsense. The church was never intended to be an organisation.

        The true church, as described in the Bible, is a living *organism* with every part equally important for abundant life in Spirit and in Truth. No hierarchies, no special privileges, no fat salaries or status, no fancy outfits and elaborate rituals, no domination, or power of their own. What happened to the example set by Jesus and Paul in the 1st century? A ‘State church’ is an oxymoron. But then, what would so-called ‘high’ Anglicanism know about Scripture?

        Much is given to under-shepherds, those in positions of leadership, but far more is expected of them than the sheep. Welby, and other hirelings like him, will be held to account for their neglect of the whole counsel of God, their continued dabbling in politics, public histrionics over their ‘faith crises’, their low view of the inerrancy of Scripture and their failure to preach the Gospel. Jesus took His lampstand away from them years ago but Welby and his ilk are so dazzled by their own importance, pomp and ceremony they haven’t even noticed.

      • mortimer says

        Nov 23, 2015 at 1:17 am

        christH wrote: “I do wonder whether the Church of England has decided to revert to ancient blood libels”

        Your accusation is false. The death of Christ is the result of all of humanity’s sins and no one is singled out, because, according to theology believed by EVERY church, we are all the cause of Christ’s death.

        Take note: ALL churches believe that. The old Lutheran hymn says, “who was he denied Thee? I crucified thee.”

    • Manual Paleologos says

      Nov 23, 2015 at 10:06 am

      Ac Christians, we are supposed to pray for our enemies. Pray that they are enlightened. Pray that they are converted. Pray that they are peaceful.

      And then clean your rifle.

  3. Chabuco says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 7:44 am

    Muslims, always the victims, always!

    • mortimer says

      Nov 23, 2015 at 1:20 am

      Islamic Victimology 102 and Islamic Melodrama 101 (prerequisite for IV 102).

  4. Rinzai says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 7:47 am

    Yep, the only response of the ”Church of England” to Islam is doubting the rightfulness and existence of their own God. They should just convert to Islam already stop embarassing themselves.

    • mortimer says

      Nov 23, 2015 at 1:23 am

      Most Anglicans, RCs and other ‘mainline’ church members cannot conceive that Islam actually lacks the Golden Rule and that Islam suppresses critical thought.

      They ‘charitably’ give Islam the benefit of the doubt, but they know no doctrine of political Islam.

  5. Sam says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 8:04 am

    I dont have a big heart to feel sorry for these enablers of Islam. They are helping Islam so I can get killed here in America going to the movies. We have lost so much freedom we can not call America land of the free anymore.

    I forgot to say “not all muslims are bad”. Sorry hope Muslims are not offended.

  6. dr andrew michael says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 8:16 am

    Would a Muslim congregation for the safety of Christians because of some Islamic atrocity? I do not think so. How can you pray in the house of God a religion that wants to annihilate Christians. Never liked this Archbishop, another limp wristed lefty.

  7. Baucent says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 8:28 am

    Archbishop Welby also said the manner in which IS militants had distorted their faith, so that they believe their acts are glorifying their God, is “one of the most desperate aspects of our world today”.

    I would have expected someone who had risen to the top of his church would have had studied world religions at university. Clearly he knows nothing of the Koran. But the attitude is typical of the Anglican church which has this wooly belief that all religions are peaceful and regard others as equals. Islam never has and Welby should know that. Because he can’t recognize that Islam is evil (and if you want to be spiritual; Satanic inspired) and is the natural enemy of the church, he can’t see the danger or the solution.

    • mortimer says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 9:35 am

      Most Western leaders have not read (let alone studied) the Islamic source texts: Koran, Sira and hadiths. They are unprepared to make any comment on Islam, but nevertheless they make guesses and speculations about Islam and then state them as FACT.

      The ‘facts’ are actually in the Islamic source texts and in Sharia law.

  8. mgoldberg says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 8:39 am

    The commentary below, by an 18th century sufi ‘master’, of the mystical branch of Islam- one that is hunted down frequently by other muslims, as muslims like to hunt each other down and kill each other along with kaffir- unbelievers, is indicative of the brainwashing inherent within Islam, and fundamental to Mohammed and Allah. The good shepard of Britain is unlearned in these matters and a threat to himself and all others. And for his information- it was G-d who abandoned those victims in Paris, but humans, like the ‘good sheppard’ who deny their right to freedom, liberty and life.
    And the below commentary is not some odd, cherry picked distortion that is taken ‘out of context’. It is Islam, and it is the tyranny, bluntly stated as their religious imperative by this ‘master’ of Islam. There are so many of these commentary’s by muslim authorities that the mind boggles how easily people like the bishop have allowed themselves to be blinded. And again, it is they who’s blindness have aided and abetted the homicidal killers that are the vanguard of Islam, and the best of them, according to Mohammed.

    —————–
    the 18th century Moroccan Sufi “master” Ibn Ajibah from his Koranic commentary. Describing unabashedly the purpose of the humiliating Koranic poll tax [6] (as per Koran 9:29 [6]) of submission for non-Muslims brought under Islamic hegemony by jihad, Ibn Ajibah makes clear the ultimate goal of its imposition was to achieve what he called the death of the “soul”, through the dhimmi’s execution of their own humanity:  

    [The dhimmi] is commanded to put his soul, good fortune and desires to death.  Above all he should kill the love of life, leadership and honor. [The dhimmi] is to invert the longings of his soul, he is to load it down more heavily than it can bear until it is completely submissive. Thereafter nothing will be unbearable for him. He will be indifferent to subjugation or might. Poverty and wealth will be the same to him; praise and insult will be the same; preventing and yielding will be the same; lost and found will be the same. Then, when all things are the same, it [the soul] will be submissive and yield willingly what it should give.  [Tafsir ibn ‘Ajibah.  Commentary on Q9:29. Ahmad ibn Muhammad Ibn ‘Ajibah]  
    ———————

    • mgoldberg says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 8:42 am

      correction- it was …. ‘not’ G-d…. who abandoned those victims.

      Sorry for the error

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 6:40 pm

      Thanks for the quote, mgoldberg. More proof–if any were needed–that Sufis are *not* some sort of “cool and peaceful” sect. They are not opposed to violent Jihad, either, any more than they are to oppressive Shari’ah.

      “Sufi Jihad?”

      http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/05/sufi_jihad.html

      And while Ibn Ajibah is absolutely right about the violence submission under Shari’ah does to a dhimmi’s self respect, he doesn’t mention the violence submission to Islam does to a pious Muslim–it kills every impulse of love, compassion, and conscience.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 7:03 pm

      Here’s another Sufi master, Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi (1564—1624), who has this to say about dhimmitude:

      The real purpose in levying jizya on them [the non—Muslims] is to humiliate then to such an extent that, on account of fear of jizya , they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honor and might of Islam……Whenever a Jew is killed, it is for the benefit of Islam…

  9. Kasey says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 8:42 am

    In fact, the real truth is that there is absolutely no doubt regarding the NON- EXISTENCE of any god by any name. It’s just fanciful nonsene to claim that any one or more gods exist.
    Yet there has been lethal violence over this claim of existence ever since the concept of monotheism was invented. It’s far past time theist came to their senses and accepted that the god concept is a figment of their imagination.

    • Baucent says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 8:50 am

      “and accepted that the god concept is a figment of their imagination”.

      OK, so do you know that for sure, or is it something you have dreamed up?

    • mgoldberg says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 1:00 pm

      the god of marxist leninism has murdered 110 millions in the last 100 yrs.
      That is …. the no god religion.

      You answered nothing, and pretended that you actually answered… something.

      That was a fantasy on your part

      • Kasey says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 6:36 pm

        So you prefer to believe in the fantasies of burning bushes and sacrifices, virgin birth, raising people from the dead and resurrections, or a dead person’s spirit flying on a winged horse from Mecca to Jerusalem, before rising into a paradise somewhere there out in space? Plus an existence in a paradise out there as well to be attained by any act of martyrdom by males for a big root up with 72 virgins? Even lying for your diety?

        The placebo effect of faith can be used as an amazing crutch, it seems, for those who want to believe in such nonsense

        • Baucent says

          Nov 22, 2015 at 6:57 pm

          Atheism equally is a “religion” and requires faith to sustain it. You believe there is no God, but you cannot prove that thesis. Therefore your belief in no deity is based on faith in your convictions. And you regard yourself superior?

  10. ? says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 8:43 am

    Look at those eyes they’re empty, look at that face the face of absent mindedness, and listen to his words they are so disconnected from reality. Also isn’t it funny how “Christians” know so much more about Islam than Muslims.

    This is the reaping 666

  11. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 8:52 am

    How did this man get his job? He feels qualified to pontificate (imamicate?) on what Islam teaches, but does not cite any aya. And how does he keep his job? He speaks of a “chink in his armour”. Really? “Chink”? This man is a raaaaaycist!
    https://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120528063355AAil2ie

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 7:24 pm

      Alas, Mark, this idiot is no worse than his predecessor, the witless Rowan Williams, who argued that the imposition of Shari’ah law in civilized Britain is “unavoidable”. He’s also said jaw-droppingly stupid things like this:

      “Former Archbishop of Canterbury: ‘Islam is reviving British values’”

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/former-archbishop-of-canterbury-islam-is-reviving-british-values

  12. Alpheratz says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 9:09 am

    And what about his distortion of Christianity?

  13. mortimer says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 9:21 am

    Archbishop Welby has at best a cursory knowledge of Islam. He should consult clergy who have spent many years studying Islam.

    Canon Mark Durie of Australia wrote:

    -“As Haykal’s magisterial 1993 survey of jihad in Islam shows, many leading scholars, both past and present, endorse jihad to make Islam dominant in the world.[7] That the purpose of military jihad is to extend Islam is supported by the consensus view of classical scholars, including the Shafi’i jurist al-Ghazali…

    -Aggressive jihad is also supported by many Saudi scholars, such as Shaykh Muhammad al-Munajid, who has said, “Undoubtedly taking the initiative in fighting has a great effect in spreading Islam and bringing people into the religion of Allaah in crowds.”

    -Even among the signatories of the Amman and Common Word letters can be found advocates for aggressive jihad. For example, M. Taqi Uthmani, one of the leading Muslim jurists in the world today, and signatory to both these letters, has taught that “Aggressive Jehad is lawful even today… Its justification cannot be veiled … we should venerate … this expansionism with complete self-confidence”.

    -Muhammad Salim Al-Awwa, a prominent Egyptian cleric, is another prominent scholar who signed the Common Word letter. He has pointed out that the word for Islamic conquests in Arabic is futūh ‘openings’. Al-Awwa explained that the purpose of conquest in Islam is ‘to clear the way between Muslims and the invitation to Allah without the obstruction of the [non-Muslim] rulers’. In other words, conquest opens up a land to Islam by removing political obstacles to the Islamic mission.

    Father Henri Boulad, SJ, of Alexandria wrote:

    “Islamism is naked Islam, Islam without a mask and without paint, Islam perfectly consistent and true to itself, an Islam that has the courage and lucidity to go all the way to its ultimate conclusions and final implications.

    Islamism is Islam in all its logic and in all its rigour. Islamism is present in Islam as the chick is present in the egg, as the fruit is present in the flower and as the tree is present in the seed.

    Islamism is political Islam, the bearer of a project for a model society and whose aim is to establish a theocratic state based on Sharia, the only legitimate law—since it is divine—since it was revealed and enshrined in the Koran and Sunna—it’s a law that applies to everything.

    Here is an all-inclusive and all-encompassing project, one that is total, totalizing and totalitarian.

    The archbishop simply hasn’t the acquaintance with Islam to make his groundless generalities. He hasn’t read Islam’s source texts and is way out of his depth.

    In their writings, Canon Durie and Fr Boulad show conclusively that Islamism is authentic Islam.

    • Raja says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 12:25 pm

      Thanks for your detailed comment. They seem to scholarly and I have saved it in my system.

      Thanks once again..

      • Raja says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 12:27 pm

        I thanked Mortimer for the detailed comment…

      • PJG says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 4:32 pm

        Raja: all Mark Durie’s work is worth reading.
        He has written an excellent and highly readable book about dhimmitude – “The Third Choice” and has a blog which is a useful source of scholarly information.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Nov 22, 2015 at 5:12 pm

          If Archbishop Welby had a gram of sense, he would invite Rev Dr Mark Durie to address practically every Anglican bishop in the world, at the next Lambeth Conference, on the subject of “Islam, Sharia, the Dhimma, and Jihad”.

          A lecture lasting at least a solid hour, no interruptions or walkouts permitted; with study notes provided.

          Those of us here who have Anglican connections and are aware of the excellent work of Rev Dr Mark Durieneed to screw up our courage and *write* to the Archbishop of Canterbury, proposing exactly that.

          And all of us who are Christians whether within the Anglican or any other tradition can buy Dr Durie’s books “The Third Choice” and “Which God?” and give them to our clergy as Christmas presents if we haven’t already.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 7:26 pm

      Mark Durie is brilliant and *very* clear-eyed about Islam. He is also brave and principled enough to say what many in the Church of England–and elsewhere–will not.

  14. epistemology says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 9:39 am

    What a clueless idiot! The ISIS killers live exactly like the self-appointed prophet and his followers. That is true Islam. But the archbishop prefers to talk about Islam as the religion of peace(TM). True Islam is never peaceful.

  15. jewdog says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 10:16 am

    I had this post over at DanielPipes.org. It got a star (on my forehead)!
    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/226375

  16. Raja says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 12:17 pm

    Hats of to Jihad watch for coming out with perfect and relevant snap of the man/woman under “scrutiny”

    The other day it was the evil Hillary Clinton who looked like a vamp and now its the clown archbishop.

    This man is more than a clown. He should not act so foolishly with foolish words and with falsehood.
    He should not be in business of lying and that too lying for a Satan inspired system of middle east.

    He should quit speaking for other religion and put his house in order.More importantly he must have the attitudes of Christ (speaking the truth is one of them) and encourage the flock of the Church to do the SAME.
    By lying for Islam he is proving to be a Shariah enabler. Shame on him as the same Shariah will order his execution at an opportune time..

  17. serrae says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    The C of E is useless. It seems to have lost its connection with Christ and Christianity, It fails to preach God’s Laws and identify the fact that these are absent in Islam.
    Welby is a wimp and shows no leadership to the lost Christians of the UK which is very sad.
    I do wonder if this gutless man is frightened of condeming the atrocities commited by muslims in Paris and elsewhere in case he puts himself in the firing line.
    Appeasement of evil has its own rewards and we need new Crusaders to sever the many heads of the Islamic hydra.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 7:36 pm

      Serrae wrote:

      The C of E is useless…
      …………………..

      Not entirely, Serrae. Not only is there the brave Reverend Mark Durie, mentioned above, but there are also wonderful figures like Bishops Michael Nazir-Ali and Patrick Sookhdeo.

      There is no doubt that things are dire in the Anglican church–but there are good people there *despite* the rot at the top.

  18. Serrae says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    Welby is a pathetic wimp and his apologist drivel shows no Christian leadership or courage. I do wonder if he avoids condemning Islam as he fears personal reprisals.
    He fails to reach the Godless in the UK let alone have an effective outreach on the cult of evil that is Islam.
    By constantly failing to speak out and lead Christians he allows persecutions and murders to continue unhindered/
    Welby should be preaching God’s Laws and pointing out that these oracles are missing from Islam thus proving it to be a false religion. Again he fails.
    In my experience most C of E churchmen are idle,self-loving twits. They bathe in the syncophancy of their loyal and dwindling congregations and seldom utter any words worth hearing. They love the rituals and fancy dress but fail to deliver true Christian leadership. Its hardly any wonder that such Churches are closing or that Cathedrals need to charge entrance fees.

    • deja vu says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 4:17 pm

      Well said.

      The exception are the evangelical Anglican churches which have a high view of Scripture, are focussed on discipling their flock and reaching the lost for Christ.

  19. ballotcode says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    What a fool.
    This should be more of an indication of God as this is all prophetic.
    Great falling away, cameras at dome of rock [witnesses being seen by all the world online]
    conflict being brewed in a particular area…
    All things that need to happen the way God has said they would.
    What a fool.

  20. Angemon says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    A bombing campaign against IS, particularly by French air forces, was launched in Syria shortly after the attack, but the archbishop warned against a potentially damaging instant reaction.

    “Two injustices do not make justice. If we start randomly killing those who have not done wrong, that is not going to provide solutions. So governments have to be the means of justice,” he said.

    ISIS declared war on France (and on the rest of the non-ISIS world, whether free, dictatorial, Christian, Buddhist, Jewish or shia). No one really cared – they were in Iraq and Syrian, killing the locals. ISIS attacked French civilians in France. The French government said “this is war” and attacked ISIS training camps and command centers in Syria, as they should have done – with the help of the rest of the nations ISIS declared war on – the moment ISIS declared war on them. There was no “random killing of innocents” from the part of the French government, no matter what this buffoon brays. There’s no talking with ISIS, there’s no negotiating with them because they already set their terms on the table: they’re doing allah’s work and killing non-muslims as allah allegedly dictated to muhammad – what can the infidels offer that surpasses that? It’s convert, live as dhimmies or die, and nothing wannabe-turncoats such as this braying buffoon say will change that.

  21. Kepha says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 2:50 pm

    Abp. Welby is supposedly an “Evangelical”. If he were truly so, he would know something about how the heart of man, regardless of the religion it professes, is utterly corrupt and needs to be renewed by the Spirit of God working through the Word.

    Islam denies that God became man, that Jesus truly died on the cross for sinners, and hence knows nothing of the Resurrection. Hence, it is not my religion; I cannot accept it; I cannot help but see it as part of that vast outer darkness. I will not profess to know it better than its own adherents.

  22. jewdog says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    Please go easy on this guy. He’s obligated by Judeo-Christian ethics to be kind to everyone, even evil jihadis. I don’t agree with that approach, but then I’m not the archbishop either. Even worse, we have the Jewish Orthodox Union advocating on behalf of accepting Syrian refugees. Once again, Judeo-Christian ethics demands that we love the stranger, as you were once a stranger in Egypt, even when the stranger is a psychopath who hates you and could kill you.
    Let’s face it, Judeo-Christian ethics are no match for Islam. Christianity has been all but wiped out in the Mideast and it’s rapidly headed for the drain in Western Europe. And, just wait until the ultra-Orthodox breed their way into majority status in Israel. Those pious wimps shun military service. In World War II they refused to join partisan groups, claiming that Jews would have divine protection through faith alone, a lethal view. History is repeating itself.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 22, 2015 at 7:39 pm

      jewdog wrote:

      Please go easy on this guy. He’s obligated by Judeo-Christian ethics to be kind to everyone, even evil jihadis. I don’t agree with that approach, but then I’m not the archbishop either…
      ……………………

      Dear jewdog, it is possible to be kind to evil Jihadis and to pray for them without pretending that their vile faith is anything but evil.

      • jewdog says

        Nov 22, 2015 at 10:30 pm

        Yes, it is possible, assuming that one knows enough about the ideology to condemn it, which this guy probably does not. Maybe he just needs to practise the Judeo-Christian virtue of humility and admit that he doesn’t know much about Islam. But why does he feel the need to make excuses for it? No Muslim would ever make excuses for an infidel faith.
        When it come to Islam, nice guys finish last.

  23. Custos Custodum says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    Justin Welby was an oil executive before he decided to seek a second career in the Church of England.

    When he first sought ordination, John Hughes, the Bishop of Kensington, told Welby: “There is no place for you in the Church of England.”

    John Hughes was right.

    However, the ditzy, mild-mannered, go-with-the-flow Welby is the perfect figurehead for the post-modern, post-Christian Church of England under David Cameron.

  24. Custos Custodum says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    P.S.: for British readers, “ditzy” could best be rendered as “gormless.”

  25. gravenimage says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 5:32 pm

    Archbishop of Canterbury: The way Islamic State distorts Islam “one of the most desperate aspects of our world today”
    …………………………

    This willful ignorance is becoming more willful all the time…

    More:

    The Archbishop of Canterbury has said the terror attacks in Paris made him “doubt” the presence of God.
    …………………………

    What a twit. How can you become the *Archbishop of Canterbury* without having long since reconciled the presence of God with the evil committed by men?

    Hadn’t he heard of the Mumbai attacks? They were very similar–he must have known what Jihadists are capable of.

    How would he feel if Jihadists pull off a similar attack in the heart of London–which seems quite likely?

    More:

    A bombing campaign against IS, particularly by French air forces, was launched in Syria shortly after the attack, but the archbishop warned against a potentially damaging instant reaction.

    “Two injustices do not make justice…
    …………………………

    Good grief. I’m not at all certain that a bombing campaign is likely to be successful against ISIS, given its ideology and the logistics of the situation–but that is another matter.

    The idea that fighting back against Jihad is an “injustice” is just morally repellent.

    This tool sounds as though he would have been opposed to resistance against Fascism seventy years ago, as well.

    More:

    Archbishop Welby also said the manner in which IS militants had distorted their faith, so that they believe their acts are glorifying their God, is “one of the most desperate aspects of our world today”.
    …………………………

    How despicable–this sickening dhimmi’s concern is not for the *victims* of Jihad, but over the idea that such terrorism “makes Islam look bad”.

    Needless to say, this is also bosh–what the Islamic State is is the very embodiment of Islam.

  26. Westman says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 7:15 pm

    What nonsense – “Most desperate” as a description of moneyed Jihadists who kill for allah.

  27. Peggy says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 8:29 pm

    It’s the Bishop who is distorting the Koran. He should be worried that they will come after him now because nobody distorts their unholy book and gets away with it.

    • mortimer says

      Nov 23, 2015 at 12:41 am

      Archbishop Welby is unacquainted with the Koran, Sira, hadiths, canonical commentaries, canonical consensus and the manuals of Sharia law.

      He is unprepared to comment on what constitutes ‘real Islam’. Islam is dualistic, meaning that there are always two doctrines on the same topic, one of which contradicts and submits to the other.

      The archbishop is unaware that there is no consistent doctrine in Islam.

  28. Mike says

    Nov 22, 2015 at 9:11 pm

    This moron Archbishop is a distortion of Christianity.

    • m says

      Nov 23, 2015 at 8:41 am

      I am glad someone else things right. Amen to what you wrote about this false prophet.
      Lord have mercy on his soul.

  29. John Johness says

    Nov 23, 2015 at 1:19 am

    We all know that the history of Christianity is filled with martyrs who went to the ‘lions’ willingly. It has always been there and occasionally surfaces. This is a good example. He wants to show his compassion and forgiveness though personal sacrifice. It is akin to the suffering of Christ. it is also similar to the survivor – “why wasn’t I killed”.
    Unfortunately the modern Christians have forgotten the language to describe martyrdom and how to do this one their own.
    They need to sacrifice us all in the name of forgiveness. As the song goes: “There’s nothing Nietzsche couldn’t teach ye”.

    • Baucent says

      Nov 23, 2015 at 1:32 am

      I tell you what the Church of England needs; the next time they appoint the Archbishop they need a bishop from Africa or Pakistan. A Nigerian bishop or one from Pakistan would have no fantasy feelings toward Islam. They would have personal knowledge of it’s vicious side.

      • John Johness says

        Nov 23, 2015 at 1:51 am

        Yes I agree. It is interesting how many otherwise intelligent people comment on Islam when they would never comment on a topic unless they had studied it closely and had personal experience.
        But for some reason politicians, bureaucrats, police, Archbishops, and the rest of the cohort of concern come out with this stuff.
        Without a doubt get people who have lived in these countries. They certainly know. I lived in one and was searched or questioned at least four times a day with a machine gun pointed near me – and that place was at peace.

        • Colin says

          Nov 23, 2015 at 3:32 pm

          There is such a cleric, the ex bishop of Rochester, Nazir Ali, a man unburdened with curse of the C of E, namely the political correctness that has stopped up the mouths of Anglican leaders while fellow Christians in Muslim lands are being abused or slaughtered. Unfortunately, he was not made archbishop.

      • manuel paleologus says

        Nov 23, 2015 at 8:44 am

        Look at his face. God forgive me but he looks rather as a British clown and not as an bishop.
        He should go to Syria and kiss those brothers who will behead him.

  30. Bronson says

    Nov 23, 2015 at 3:13 am

    IIRC the Songs of Praise program in now headed by a Muslim, so it is fitting this coward ans Christian apostate would grovel on such a platform.

    • ekbano says

      Nov 23, 2015 at 5:48 am

      Interesting. In my country the public broadcaster religious services head is muslim too. PLENTY islamic fluff pieces, dodgy priests on in more than one tv show, and christian programming shifted to 4 or 5 on the morning. They are all in key positions everywhere, way out of proportion to their numbers. The rot is global, with the planning and manipulation by the rulers of the world. (All for our own good I’m told.)

  31. wjsonl says

    Nov 23, 2015 at 3:37 am

    On 9/11, when George W. Bush said “Islam is a religion of peace”, he made two wrong statements:1) Islam is not a religion – it is an ideology, and 2) Islam is not peaceful – it is an evil, violent ideology.

    • Ricardo Le Lionheart says

      Nov 23, 2015 at 8:16 am

      Part of the problem is it not? The phycho Babylonian multi-culti hell holes we are show bizzy building are just seconds and minutes away from being rubbished by Muslim nutters with the right mix of trusts in the wrong areas of government or elsewhere. WE are one of ‘these’ countries – on a very grand scale.

  32. Gordon miller says

    Nov 23, 2015 at 6:08 am

    Very nicely put. The “religion” part is a handy device in America to shield Muslims from many acts because of the protection in our first amendment.

  33. Kasey says

    Nov 23, 2015 at 7:28 am

    Beaucent claims that Atheism is a religion just like other beliefs. That really is a nonsense, and he/she makes claims about “proof” for non-existence of any god.. Surely those who claim there is a god by whatever name somewhere out there in space, must have proof of its existence before they ask can an Atheist to disprove that a god doesn’t exist. If one can’t accept that, then who knows what lives down in the bottom of any garden?

  34. Manual Paleologos says

    Nov 23, 2015 at 10:04 am

    it doesn’t matter whether they are “distorting” what is in the koran. (They are not.) Moslems are behaving the way moslems have behaved for their 1,400 year history.

  35. Jerry says

    Nov 23, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    Did he ever bother to read the New or Old Testament?

    Another “expert” on the Qur’an, Hadith and Sirat Rassoul Allah.

    Note that all the “Old Testament” Prophets allegedly received
    revelation directly from God while the Islamic fake prophet
    alleged to have received revelation from “Jibril” – the “Archangel Gabriel”.
    while some verses of the Qur’an were alleged to have been “revealed”
    by “Shaitan” (Satan) impersonating “Jibril”.

    When you analyse the the concoction making up the Qur’an, it becomes
    apparent that either the whole thing was “revealed” by Shaitan, or, much more
    likely, the whole lot is a concoction of lies invented by the evil fake prophet – actually
    the plunderer for profit, to try to recruit the gullible Arabian desert fools to
    his bandit, caravan robbing, plundering, murdering, raping and slave snatching
    and trading criminal gangs.

  36. dumbledoresarmy says

    Nov 23, 2015 at 6:21 pm

    The jihadis – of Islamic State or of any other jihad outfit whatsoever – are not ‘distorting’ Islam.

    They are *practising* Islam.

  37. dumbledoresarmy says

    Nov 23, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    Those of us here who are Anglican – and there are some – must write to the Archbishop of Canterbury – and also to our own national primates and regional bishops.

    We must send them copies of Rev Dr Mark Durie’s excellent article about Islamic State, and specifically the jihad raid in Paris, entitled “Paris Attacks Were Not ‘Nihilism’ but Sacred Strategy”.

    A copy of that article can be found at this link.

    Save the link, make a copy of the article, print it off, and add a brief covering letter – perhaps including a few passages from the ninth Surah of the Quran, and the Hadith in which Mohammed says, “I have been made victorious by terror”, and referring your addressee to Mark Durie’s books “Which God?” and “The Third Choice: Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom”, to the work of another Anglican, Canon Dr Patrick Sookhdeo (ex-Muslim), “Faith, Power and Territory” and “Global Jihad”, and to the book by ex-Muslim ‘Sam Solomon’, entitled “Al Hijra: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration” and another ex-Muslim, ‘Mark Gabriel’, entitled “Islam and Terrorism”. Put it in the post.

    This is a good course of action for *any* person here who identifies as a member of *any* Christian church – whether Anglican or other Protestant, Orthodox, or Catholic – anywhere.

    then at least our leadership will have *no* excuse. They will not be able to say they were not warned.

    Give your parish priest, pastor, minister or other clergy-person the full set of Mark Durie’s books “The Third Choice”, “Which God?” and “”Liberty to the Captives” as a Christmas present!

    If you are *Jewish*, give your rabbi “The Third Choice” and “Which God?” as they might help to immunise him against Muslims engaging in ‘interfaith’ snake-oil peddling. These two books by Durie are not aimed solely at Christians as such. In ‘Which God?’ Durie is very clear about the many and fundamental ways in which the ‘allah’ of the Muslims is utterly different from – and inimical toward – the God described not merely in the New Testament but also in the ‘Old Testament’, or TaNaKh. (You could invest in Martin Gilbert’s “In Ishmael’s House” and Andrew Bostom’s encyclopaedic tome “Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism” and give him those, as well; add them to the synagogue library, and try to get people to read them).

    Just as in the realm of politics and media so also in the realm of religion. This time around, the resistance to Jihad is coming from the ground up, not from the top down. Our leaders are either in denial, ill-informed (often wilfully so) or uninformed; but down at ground-level many have begun to wake up. The Archbishop of Canterbury is talking nonsense whereas a humble parish priest, Mark Durie, knows and understands exactly what Islam is all about.

    The one good thing about this is that, if we refuse to give up, and just keep pushing, keep talking and writing letters and doing what we can, till awareness begins to percolate *upward* though the ranks of our religious and other social systems, the ultimate pushback will be very, very broadly based and therefore very strong. It will be an organic, ‘whole of society’ thing.

    Now is not the time to throw in the towel.

    Now is the time to just. keep. pushing. And keep educating as best we can…horizontally, among the people at our own level or a step up…as well as attempting a bit of ‘vertical’ pestering of political and religious and media head honchoes.

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