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Australia: Muslims complain that singing anthem is “forced assimilation”

Nov 1, 2015 3:41 am By Robert Spencer

“It’s not enough that you obey the law, no, you have to adopt our values,” Badar complained.

Uh, yeah. Because if you don’t adopt our values, eventually you will subvert the law. A nation of people without shared values will eventually collapse into dissolution and probably civil war.

Uthman Badar

“Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir decries ‘forced Muslim assimilation,’” by Ean Higgins, The Australian, November 1, 2015 (thanks to Kenneth):

Requiring schoolchildren to sing the national anthem, and the citizenship pledge supporting democratic values, are part of an oppressive campaign by Australian authorities of “forced assimilation” of the Muslim community, a conference heard this morning.

The conference held by Islamist activist group Hizb ut-Tahrir entitled “Innocent Until Proven Muslim” is taking place at Bankstown in Sydney’s west, attended by about 800 people.

Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar told the conference the Australian government “claims to afford freedom, but seeks to impose values and beliefs” on Muslims.

Muslims were expected to not just be gracious about Australian values, but publicly promote them, Mr Badar said.

This imposition of secular western values was reflected in the oath when taking out citizenship, Mr Badar said, with new citizens required to pledge allegiance to Australia “whose democratic beliefs I share”.

“It’s not enough that you obey the law, no, you have to adopt our values,” Mr Badar told the conference.

Similarly, Mr Badar said, schoolchildren were required to sing the national anthem, which he said, “reflects a disputed view of history”.

“If you don’t share those values, why should they be forced to sing it?” Mr Badar said.

The comments follow a backlash from many politicians and commentators to news last week that the principal of a Victorian primary school had excused Muslim students from singing Advance Australia Fair.

Mr Badar said the campaign by government and agencies against radicalisation was actually a smokescreen to “make Muslims less Islamic”.

“It is nothing less than forced assimilation … sought to be justified by exaggerated fear of a security threat,” he said.

Government efforts to promote what it bills as a moderate form of Islam might on occasion “buy out some Imam”, Mr Badar said, but overall, “the attempt to reform Islam is doomed to failure.”

The conference heard a series of members of the Muslim community, some by prerecorded audiovisual clips and some live from the floor — deliver testimonials of what they claimed was oppressive behaviour by officials against them as Muslims, at airports, in police raids, and in high security prisons.

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  1. Ian G says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 3:58 am

    I noted that at that meeting the men sat at the front and women sat at the back. I’ll let others interpret that Islamic ‘value’ as they wish.

  2. Benedict says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:08 am

    Cannot sing the national anthem then go back to where you came from. The Australian govt should view this very seriously, ban this muslim organization and deport those muslims who feel otherwise. This will turn out to be trouble if not nipped in the bud.

    • JMB says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 5:44 am

      In the meantime the present Australian Governments seems to be going out of it’s way to improve relationships with the Muslim community following the alleged damage during the Abbott years.
      The refusal to sing the Anthem, will simply be another step towards “creeping Sharia” and as you say must be nipped in the bud.
      They come to this country to get away from their war torn Islamic hell holes and to make a new and make a new start, yes can if they want to, but no they bring Islamic values with them while showing no gratitude for all the Australia provides for them.
      I repeat my call for all Muslims in the west to be interned or deported until world wide Islamic terror ceases, this is the only way to stop it.
      I call on all Muslims in Australia to assimilate with this country and its values, taking off the burka would be a very positive step in the right direction and it mat increase your prospects of acceptance here.

  3. No Fear says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:09 am

    Muslims do not have to sing the national anthem.
    It is their right to not accept the Govt of Australia as their authority.
    Of course they would be quite happy not to receive any form of government benefits from the “kuffar”.

    • mach37 says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 4:26 am

      Wrong! Becoming a citizen of a nation REQUIRES accepting the government of that land as their authority. Well, I don’t know about Australia, but becoming a citizen of the USA includes accepting the US Constitution as the law under which citizens abide. I have no idea what is required of immigrants who get permanent residence under alien status, but there must be something similar that requires them to abide by the laws of the land.

      • Ted says

        Dec 12, 2015 at 7:53 pm

        ” have no idea what is required of immigrants who get permanent residence under alien status in the USA” Nothing! Neither do the 12 – 22 Million Illegal Immigrants that are here. Actually US Citizens are now required to pay into the Government to they can collect State and Federal benefits Including “Aid for Women and Children” Up to a grand a month. Free Healthcare and RX. SNAP (food stamps) $500 to $1000.00 a month, Public housing or HUD Vouchers (up to $1,500.00 a month), Emergency Welfare payments, Free Emergency room visits for a cold or whatever they want. Cannot cause them to be offended either or you could be charged with a hate crime or their advocacy groups will find out where you work and boycott / Protest until you are fired. “And that’s just the tip of the Iceberg” said the Captain to the Titanic passengers.

    • mach37 says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 4:28 am

      PS: I don’t believe there is any requirement to sing the national anthem, but abiding by the constitution should be mandatory.

      • Jon says

        Nov 1, 2015 at 5:04 am

        Lots of real Australians don’t sing the anthem, many don’t know more than a few words. But, they don’t actively make a political point of standing against it, that’s the big difference! A national anthem is a symbol of the unity of the country, like the flag. To attack either is to attack the country that gave these people sanctuary at a difficult time back in their homelands. If we had a government with guts, they’d send them packing!

  4. islam :- the religion of idiots says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:13 am

    “oppressive behaviour by officials against them as Muslims, at airports, in police raids, and in high security prisons”
    All I can say to that is they’d better get used to it because BS like that above, is going to cause them to get into those sorts of places a lot more often, as is usual with idiots like that, that can’t adapt ..

  5. dr andrew michael says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:17 am

    Wherever Muslim are they expect the host country to adapt to their culture. Here in Cyprus the refugees are demanding that the Cypriot government provide their children with Arabic speaking teachers. However the government responded by saying that ‘Cyprus is a Greek speaking country and that all its pupils are taught in GREEK.’

    • RENE REYES says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 8:12 am

      and what is wrong with that if only more government followed that lead

      • Jon says

        Dec 27, 2015 at 4:17 pm

        It’s common among Muslims in Australia too, they feel that specifically Islamist school programs should be provided and funded by the state. Australia is a successful multi-ethnic nation with people from every country in the world coming here to settle and rear families. There’s no place for people who want to carve out a state within a state, a parallel culture with its language and law predominating. As the Muslim Deputy Mayor of a Sydney inner-city council told his co-religionists recently, ‘if you don’t like it here, go home. I’ll even pay your airfare’.

        • Mark says

          Dec 27, 2015 at 10:41 pm

          Please watch and share the You Tube video, ” Why We Are Afraid, The 1400 Secret.” It is very revealing.

  6. mach37 says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:20 am

    Voluntary assimilation has always been the norm for people emigrating and becoming citizens of a land. The major reason from emigrating is to join in and belong in the land, its society and its native peoples. Any other reason for emigrating amounts to invasion by those who don’t want to assimilate…

  7. Jon says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:26 am

    Well, I hope the message of ‘disunity’ preached by these people is not lost on the rest of Australia. They don’t want to be part of this country – no news to those of us who’ve observed them for years.

  8. vcragain says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:27 am

    There you have it in a nutshell – plain for all to see.
    Of course ‘singing the national anthem’ is designed to make them part of the bigger group, it has always been that way in every country. They shouldn’t be excused from any of the country’s requirements but they can certainly ASK for something to be changed, it is up to the country to decide that and obviously this is now happening in every Western country – they are getting louder and demanding their ‘rights’. Good luck to all, this loathsome ‘culture’ is a threat to all non-Muslims everywhere.

  9. NightStalker says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:30 am

    Its time to go!

  10. Richard says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:30 am

    Nice try, Mr Badar … keep on paying your taxes as some would say

  11. Breck Muir says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:34 am

    Why did you emigrate to Australia – to set up a caliphate and all the problems you ran away from? Like us or leave AND if the government doesn’t “help”you leave it should!

  12. mach37 says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:37 am

    National security should be the primary factor in allowing immigration into a country. If Islamic values collide with the laws and morals of a nation such as Australia or the USA, that collision should be grounds for refusing entry of a person or group, never mind to live even temporarily, in that nation.

    • PRCS says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 12:15 pm

      “National security should be the primary factor in allowing immigration into a country.”

      I think you mean immigrants>/I>.

      That given, IMO political correctness likely prohibits appropriate personnel from asking Muslims about specific incompatibilities between Islam’s religious laws and the U.S. Constitution/laws and even if that were allowed there is no method to accurately assess the honesty of their responses.

      I don’t believe they’re asked questions like:

      “Some religious laws conflict with the U.S. constitution and laws. In that case, which laws should a U.S. citizen follow?”

      Expand from there.

      During his trial for the 2010 New York City car bombing attempt, Faisal Shahzad stated that he had lied when taking the oath while being sworn in as a Naturalized U.S. citizen.

  13. laz dsouza says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:42 am

    Ask any of the immigrants before entering a foreign country whether they will abide with the laws of the land and they will whole heartedly say they will and once they are in this what happens.

  14. sahani says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:48 am

    convert muslims of the world are like cancer . they will eat you but you can never digest them.

  15. Jon says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:57 am

    Well, I hope the message of ‘disunity’ preached by these people is not lost on the rest of Australia. They don’t want to be part of this country – no news to those of us who’ve observed them for years!

  16. SIngh the SIkh says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 5:07 am

    There are many disgusting traits Muslims have. Ungrateful ness is among the many. It’s part of their overall parasitic and greedy nature. No other immigrant has problems singing the national anthem, just Muslims. The sooner he Australian govt wakes up and deals with this the way it should be dealt, the better for everyone. If they don’t like they can go to Saudi Arabia. There non-Arab Muslims are treated literally like shit by the locals but maybe that is the calling of the non Arab Muslims, clean Saudi toilets and wipe Saudi bums.

  17. William says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 5:26 am

    Australia: If you don’t like it…
    LEAVE.

  18. Midway says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 5:28 am

    These people invade other lands, they never assimilate, will not compromise & are always demanding. They take advantage of PC, tolerant communities & turn everything into s**t.

  19. BC says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 5:54 am

    It should be pointed out that nobody asked them to come and be part of our countries and enjoy its benefits and privileges. It is your duty to assimilate but as we know Muslims real loyalty is to the Umma.
    I am sure if a person living in a caliphate refused to sing the national anthem (if they had one) they would be dealt with in short order.
    If you declare you unwillingness to assimilate you should leave or be deported

  20. Robert Corfield says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 6:04 am

    I don’t see why it’s necessary to force schoolchildren to sing the national anthem. I think the values that these Muslims are objecting to is Christianity and I don’t think it necessarily follows you will break the law if you don’t adopt Christian values. Religion should be a private thing and not mandated by the State.

    I would be more concerned with extremist Muslims who commit murders for example like in Bangladesh. I don’t see why moderates should not be able to adopt their own religious values and in general why any citizen should not have their own ideas as to what moves them. Having said that I would disagree with Muslims that their faith is a good thing but that should be a matter of debate rather than forcing them to adopt different values.

  21. G Money says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 6:05 am

    Uthman Badar was also quoted at this conference as saying “Islam is not up for negotiation or reform. Islam is what it is.” Therein lies the intractable problem.

  22. jihadi jane says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 6:15 am

    Yet “accept Islam or die” isnt being forceful!?

  23. Aussie Infidel says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 6:26 am

    This is not the first time this obnoxious creep has pushed for Sharia in Australia – and it won’t be the last – unless the government declares Hizb ut-Tahrir a terrorist organization (but given PM Malcom Turnbull ‘s pro-Islamic sentiments, I doubt it).

    Badar claims that our government “seeks to impose [our] values and beliefs.” What the hell does he expect? All governments (except those dedicated to unfettered multiculturalism), do that – to maintain a sense of community cohesion and law and order. The values and beliefs we insist upon are those which our forefathers fought and died for. These values are enshrined in our Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights – and are not-negotiable. But of course, devout Muslims don’t agree with those values, and instead subscribe to the violent versus in the Quran and Hadiths.

    “Fighting [jihad] has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.” (Quran 2:216).

    “Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people.” (Quran 9:14).

    “And remove the fury in the believers’ hearts. And Allah turns in forgiveness to whom He wills; and Allah is Knowing and Wise.” (Quran 9:15).

    “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’.” (Bukhari 1:8:387).

    Badar also objects to our oath of citizenship, but I believe that the oath should be tightened further – to the point where it excludes jihadists like Badar. Many people react by claiming simply that “Muslims should go back to where they came from.” But that’s not what people like Badar are here for. He and his ilk are here explicitly to carry out his prophet’s command to subjugate the kuffar – and impose their values on us. It’s ironic (and arrogant beyond belief), that Muslims should be demanding that their host nations change their laws to accommodate their values and beliefs, rather than the other way around. And any politician who cannot see that, must be either cognitively blind, or willfully aiding and abetting the enemy.

    “And when the inviolable months have passed, then kill the polytheists (Christians) wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” (Quran 9:5).

    As every farmer knows, you don’t allow foxes to live in your henhouse.

    I agree with Badar that “the attempt to reform Islam is doomed to failure.” And for that reason, we have to exorcise this cancer from our nation – preferably by peaceful means – but if necessary, by force.

  24. dumbledoresarmy says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 6:39 am

    If you’re from outside Australia, and what to get an idea of what many, many Aussies have begun to figure out for themselves, as regards Islam, and Muslims, and outfits like Hizb ut Tahrir, I advise you to read the Comments to this article at The Australian (Kudos to the Australian for opening it up for Comments).

    Click on the link, to the article in the Australian. (If it takes you to a paywall, try the good old ‘google bounce’).

    I just spent a couple of hours reading through the *comments* to this piece.

    There were hundreds and hundreds.

    And the vast, the overwhelming majority, weren’t buying Mr Badar’s nonsense-and-lies; the majority saw right through him.

    Many were suggesting acerbity that if Mr Badar and others of his ilk didn’t like Australia, nobody was the least bit interested in *keeping* him here: “the airport’s thataway”…”.

    And judging by the fact that it was getting mentioned in the Comments – and not by people identifying as signed-on members, but rather, by people who had heard of it and were *preparing* to investigate with a view to joining – the new ‘resistance to islamisation’ political party just launched, Australian Liberty Alliance, is already signalling strongly on the radar screens of Joe Infidel Public, Down Under.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 9, 2015 at 1:07 am

      Excellent.

  25. Paul says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 6:49 am

    No problem with this terrorist mob in finding suitable venues to preach their contempt of Australia. Geert Wilders, during his recent trip to Western Australia was told in no uncertain terms that no venues would be made available to him in case his “espoused hateful” views would create some type of security issue, as well as being classed as offensive to other peoples views!!

  26. medaber_emet says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 6:53 am

    You didn’t say the most important thing
    Islam is a deadly virus to all western countries ( I would say to the whole world)
    unless we will agnolege the threat today and deport all Muslims to the land of Islam (Saudi Arabia)
    in few more years we all shall be massacred by the sword of Islam
    I have no doubt in my mind
    I am Israeli and i know from early childhood what Islam is capable of doing

  27. Jeremiah says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 7:22 am

    To understand the humor in this complaint, play the Australian National Anthem on You Tube. When they come to Australia they promise to be nice and to assimilate with Australians. Now they want sharia self administered zones. It’s a joke. Perhaps make them sing Home on the Range instead?

  28. Mark says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 7:48 am

    How about forced deportation?!

  29. Angemon says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 7:48 am

    Hope Aussies are taking notes and planning to act accordingly.

    • Don McKellar says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 9:08 am

      Not just Aussies, but everybody in Europe should be made aware of this typical moslem who has taken off his mask and is speaking plainly. Everybody in Europe should be taking notes and acting accordingly.

  30. Westman says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 7:58 am

    Mr. Uthman Badar has just informed Austrailians that ISLAMOSEDITION is practiced by Muslims. He does not accept the fraternal responsibilities of citizenship; it is simply a government mechanism whereby Muslims must obey the law to avoid punishment while applying all legal means to subvert and bleed that government in preference to the Ummah.

    Essentially, Mr. Badar is asking for the “unbelievers” of Austrailia to respect fake citizenship.

    • Karen says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 12:02 pm

      Yes, especially the government mechanism of the taxpayer-funded goodie basket. I’m guessing Mr. Badar has no problem with his fellow Muslims accepting that particular Australian value.

  31. Rob Crawford says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 8:13 am

    “but overall, “the attempt to reform Islam is doomed to failure.””

    He said it, not me.

    • Georg says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 1:23 pm

      Don’t get in a fool’s way when he’s talking

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 1:26 pm

      Forced assimilation being imposed on (non-Muslims).

      Since Islam is beyond reform we should seriously consider if having even one supremacist mosque anywhere in the West is a form of forced assimilation being imposed on (non-Muslims).

      • underbed cat says

        Nov 1, 2015 at 4:31 pm

        I agree Jay Boo. it’s basic doctrine will never change. Out…..why do we have to tolerate the most intolerant (and deadly) ideology known to mankind. When Americans realize this, they will be grateful for a government that only gets bad press by the left deceptive, non fact based description of the religion of no peace. iklam

  32. Michael says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 8:13 am

    Muslims once more ‘DEMAND’ they are always demanding from us but give nothing back;
    Demand; you give us sanctuary!
    DEMAND; you feed us, cloth us and house us for free of course.
    DEMAND: You accept our ways and hide your faith because it offends us.
    DEMAND; you not force us to obey your laws, ways or pride, it offends us and we are here to conquer you.

    • Jayell says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 11:49 am

      The reply to those ‘demands’? Two words. The second word is ‘off’. The first word would normally be of Anglo-Saxon origin. And if they don’t want to comply? Figuratively, if not actually, the proverbial boot aimed at the collective lumbar tuberosities. ‘A bit crude’, I hear you say? Of course! But since when did one politely ask a cockroach to leave the kitchen?

    • Karen says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 12:04 pm

      The perfect summary.

      • Georg says

        Nov 1, 2015 at 1:26 pm

        Thank you, all. A good laugh is needed sometimes in the midst of this horror.

    • username says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 6:27 pm

      I don’t think any Muslims have demanded that they not obey the laws or that people of other religions should hide their faith. When did that happen? And if so, then that is a minority and does not reflect the wants of the majority. The majority want to obey laws and are surely tolerant of other religions.

      • Karen says

        Nov 3, 2015 at 2:37 pm

        Perhaps you don’t do much reading. How do you explain places like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt? (All non-Isis examples.) You surely wouldn’t call those populations tolerant, would you? Both civilians and the police forces (perhaps excepting Egypt) in those nations vigorously persecute religious minorities. In Egypt, your house or church might get burned down. In Pakistan, you may be murdered.

        When people associated with CAIR get caught making statements about Dreadful Sharia Law superseding US law, are we to think they are Constitutionslists who love to uphold and promote American laws and freedoms? No, of course not. Should I then ever trust CAIR or those who ally with its founders, spokesmen and executive staff? Never!

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 9, 2015 at 12:58 am

        username wrote:

        I don’t think any Muslims have demanded that they not obey the laws…
        …………………….

        My God, what crap. Muslims are trying to impose Shari’ah law everywhere.

        • Jeremiah says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 4:54 am

          It is difficult to counter crap isnt it. Just ask the crapper if he salutes the Australian flag? Does he know the National Anthem? Is he willing to abandon sharia for Australia’s Constitution? You will soon find out that you are not talking to an Australian. There are many people who now fit in that category. The Unions, the Teachers, most Politicians.

          That is why there is a lot of crap and that is why there is such a strong odour.

  33. Dacritic says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 8:24 am

    Er, you know…if you don’t like the country and refuse to sing the anthem, you are free to NOT move to that country. Or you can choose to move to some other country whose “values” you share. Muslims are getting more and more stupid (for want of a better phrase).

    • rajan says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 9:08 am

      Could not have said better.

    • Katnis says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 10:15 am

      EXACTLY. If you don’t like Australian values, then leave.

    • TheBuffster says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 10:27 am

      “Muslims are getting more and more stupid”

      No, they’re becoming more and more bold.

      But if they’re stupid, how come are they getting so much of what they’re after? It’s not Muslims who are getting stupid, it’s our leaders who have let them get this far because our leaders’ deficient philosophy and their cowardice blind them to reality.

      You *do* realize the aim of groups like Hizb ut-Tahrir is to bring about an Islamic Caliphate and to also spread Islamic rule throughout the world?

      “Hizb ut-Tahrir states its aim as unification of all Muslim nations over time in a unitary Islamic state or caliphate, headed by an elected caliph.[1] This, it holds, is a religious duty, “an obligation that Allah has decreed for the Muslims and commanded them to fulfill. He warned of the punishment awaiting those who neglect this duty.”[10] One analyst, however,[11] quotes the work of Hizb ut-Tahrir founder Taqiuddin al-Nabhani[12] to suggest that once Hizb ut-Tahrir has succeeded in creating a unified, transnational Islamic state it should press on to expand the state into non-Muslim areas. According to al-Nabhani’s work The Islamic State, Muslims abroad “should work towards turning their land where Islam is not implemented, and which [is thus] considered as Dar al-Kufr, into Dar al-Islam”.[13] Hizb ut-Tahrir is opposed to individual liberty and freedom; rather, it promotes the overthrow—both democratically and militarily—of democracies and dictatorships alike, arguing they are un-Islamic.”
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir

      Their aim at coming to a non-Islamic country whose values clash with theirs is to Islamize that country.

      • Stevie S says

        Nov 1, 2015 at 10:44 am

        TheBuffster is 100% correct– He says it all in his last line: “Their (Islamists) aim at coming to a non-Islamic country whose values clash with theirs is to Islamize that country”. It is beyond sad that Western leaders are so blind to that fact.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 9, 2015 at 12:59 am

        TheBuffster wrote:

        “Muslims are getting more and more stupid”

        No, they’re becoming more and more bold.
        ………………..,

        Exactly, Buffster.

  34. Christopher Seneviratne says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 8:49 am

    If they are not prepared to be one with the Australians they must be told to to go back to where they came from.

  35. The Bull says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 9:00 am

    Australians all let us rejoice,
    For we are young and free;
    We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil;
    Our home is girt by sea;
    Our land abounds in nature’s gifts
    Of beauty rich and rare;
    In history’s page, let every stage
    Advance Australia Fair.
    In joyful strains then let us sing,
    Advance Australia Fair.

    I just don’t get it. What’s the big deal. This anthem is about as provocative as a nursery rhyme.
    No mention of Democracy and no mention of any religion or values..
    It’s a geography lesson with rejoicing and joy.
    The Australian government forcing values on people??? Like appreciating your country?

    • Not I said the sparrow says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 4:02 pm

      Maybe they are thinking of Waltzing Matilda which could have been, should have been, the National Anthem. But as we know up jumped the jolly swagman and shot the policeman dead -oh dear, Australia couldn’t have that as the anthem and I think that’s why. Imagine: the Queen visits Sydney Girls High School and they all sing “Up jumped the jolly swagman….and shot the policeman dead”. Something like that. Frightfully embarrassing.

  36. Not I said the sparrow says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 9:08 am

    This is the same Badar who not long ago was scheduled to give a talk at a “Dangerous Ideas” talkfest at the Sydney Opera House. His subject was the moral acceptability of Honour Killings. The talk was cancelled. The whole thing is a rather twisted tale and Badar claims that he was, as we might say, stitched up by the organisers. I was disappointed. I mean, that dapper llittle ayatollah in an unfashionable western suit, standing under Utzon’s shells was going to tell us why killing your daughter was…what? What would he have said? Yea or nay?Thumbs up or thumbs down? Would Zuckerberg Like him or Unlike him?f
    If he ever does spew out utterly vile hate speech he cannot be kicked out of Australia -he was born in Oz of refugee parents.

    • Westman says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 1:53 pm

      Yassir Morsi, a postdoctoral researcher at the Centre for Muslim and non-Muslim Understanding, University of South Australia, pointed out that (he thought) Bader would not have supported honor killings if the event had been held.

      http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/26/uthman-badar-both-islamophobias-victim-and-unwilling-accomplice

      After Bader’s complaint that Muslim citizenship does not require any fraternal relationship with the “host” country, particularly reciting the national pledge, Morsi might feel sheepish about his support.

      But perhaps not, since Morsi wrote an article, “Christian refugees are fine, Muslims aren’t”, in which he decries the sentiment toward the all but invisible Christian refugees while ignoring that it was Muslim migrants who were throwing Christians into the sea and harassing them in the camps.

  37. pongidae rex says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 9:08 am

    The fundamental concepts that enabled immigration for several centuries have broken down. It is time to close the door.

  38. peter1589 says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 9:23 am

    Errrmm … Islam itself ISN’T forced assimilation? The clear, undeniable, cancerous, malignant spread of Sharia law, and the pandemic chaos of violence that is the essence of Islam, whose essential, unswerving tenet is conversion of the world by the sword, is somehow NOT FORCED ASSIMILATION?

    Pot calling the kettle black.

    • username says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 6:31 pm

      Terrorist groups are not “Islam itself”. Their goals and the goals of the other 99.9% of Muslims are radically different. Most Muslims do not want spread Sharia law or commit violence against anyone. I hope you understand and stop stereotyping, which is fallacious at best.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 9, 2015 at 1:02 am

        What a bald faced lie:

        “Most Muslims want sharia law”

        http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/most-muslims-want-sharia-law/story-e6frg6so-1226632767364

  39. Richard Hallin says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 10:16 am

    Are we surprised by these comments from a group with known terrorist affiliations?? I for one am not, indeed, I would have been shocked if he had said anything else. Then we had other illustrious speakers, all trying to hide their contempt for us our laws and our country, who were these intellectual giants, I’m not sure, but I did manage to note some small hints of their backgrounds, they spoke of oppressive behavior at airports, ” POLICE RAIDS, AND IN HIGH SECURITY PRISONS ” Well, with people of such impeccable character, and high standing in the community we have to take their word as truth don’t we, the problem at airports may just have something to do with the fact that no one can see your face, buts that’s just my humble opinion. Of course the oppressive behaviors that they face, are only the same one that you and I have to put up with everyday due to the state of high alert this country, and many others are in because of the threat of muslim terror, which is REAL, not imagined like most of the rambling rubbish in this guys speech, WE would love it if they would at least make some effort in assimilating with the rest of us, but NO we are told they do not share our values, and any attempt to reform islam is DOOMED to failure. Therefore one must ask, hopefully without being called a racist,or the new one, ” Islamaphobic ” (NOT AN ACTUAL WORD ) and islam is not a race either, WHY IN GODS NAME ARE THEY HERE???, ( YES I KNOW I SAID GOD )

    • Not I said the sparrow says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 4:25 pm

      The “intellectual giant” to watch is Wassim C Diarouhia (I have trouble remembering how to spell the excremental character’s name). He used to be the leader and spokesperson for the group but gave it over to Badar (maybe he has a day job…which would be atypical for these people). Like Badar he was born in Australia of refugee parents (Lebanese). Last year he gave one of the most vicious performances seen on an Australian current affairs program (ABC’s Lateline). He is a most sinister character. He talks as if he is stuffed to the eyeballs with amphetamines, but the scary thing is I don’t think he is on any such stuff -I think he is just like that, naturally.

  40. f c king says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 10:17 am

    Maybe this is why Australia blocks illegal immigrants trying to sneak in by boat, etc. ?

    Islam is a disease.

  41. abad says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 10:45 am

    Then Muslims should stay out of Australia forever.

    And the Australian government has an obligation to round up every Muslim on its soil, deport them all to Syria.

  42. Voytek Gagalka says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 11:21 am

    “…It is nothing less than forced assimilation … sought to be justified by exaggerated fear of a security threat…”

    To what other country (or countries) that statement would match perfectly if one substitutes, say, “making Muslim less Islamic” with “making Christian less Christian”?

    Does for instance Saudi Arabia pass that test where no synagogues or churches are permitted, where for possessing of the bible you could receive lashes (if you are lucky) and thus be subject of “forceful assimilation” to become Muslim? About the Islamic State I would not mention because it is so obvious to all wiling to see and think.

    So, Mr. Badar! No one is “forcing” you to “assimilate.” If you don’t like the country, get the hell out of it, no hard feelings and no one will ever “cry” after you or your tribe. If I do not like S. A., I will never even consider to go there and suffer dhimmitude unless I “assimilate, aka. convert to become Mohammedan.

  43. Mike says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 11:30 am

    It’s completely unfair to force “assimilation” of this sort onto people.

    There should be another option: hand in your passport or permanent residence paper, and receive a FREE, FIRST-CLASS TICKET TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY WILLING TO ACCEPT YOU.

    Trust me, it’s a good deal for everyone.

  44. mike ryan says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 11:31 am

    Islam is a parasitic growth upon the body politic.

  45. underbed cat says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 11:39 am

    Badar and Obama, no obligation to assimilate for the refugees…same dribble. Check out the U.S. Post Office and see a selective service brochere to inform men 18 to 25 to register and stating the requirement by law….purple, burgandy , light blue and yellow….colors used (not colors associated with the U.S). Then read the privacy statement, then check out alternative service for conscientious objector, upon inspection this allows for religious identity to be considered so they can sit at a desk and give out instructions. Considering that the muslims do not have to assimilate….learn the constitution, pledge allegience or enter combat zones….I find this offensive and dangerously subversive. However they are allowed to sneak into camps to learn how to fight the infidel across the country hidden and protected by our very laws.

    The kicker, weirder joke( true) is that it is mailed for Palatine, IL….And area know for mosques…and hamas. And where did the Russian plane crash, in Hasana names, names names anyone find the curious.

    • underbed cat says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 11:43 am

      “mail to Palatine, IL” Selective service organization.correction. I wonder if I can write this…of course it is just speculation, if I had a camera I’d send a picture. Anyone find that curious ?

  46. underbed cat says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 11:57 am

    1st class ticket back home…great idea Mike….and cost efective considering the alternative. If I didn’t have a basic understanding of sharia laws, permissible lying, conquering, islamic, jihad warefare, goals and methods, diversity is fine, until you know, then it is subversion and insurgency from up to down.

    To have the power to blind our military is sickening.

    • sooz22 says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 1:14 pm

      First Class? Why not cattle (or swine) class?

  47. Leonore says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    We don’t have to assimilate they do.

  48. Ed says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 12:35 pm

    This sort of reminds me of the bogus situation in the states with the kid who made the “clock.” Being deliberately and unnecessarily provocative.

    I find it hard to believe anyone is actually FORCED to sing the anthem. If the kids just sit there and don’t sing, what happens to them? Nothing, I’m quite certain. So what’s the issue?

  49. Blitz2b says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    “If you don’t share those values, why should they be forced to sing it?” Mr Badar said..”

    Dope Mr. Badar…. Are you even listening to yourself?
    If you don’t share “those values” why are you even in this country. What is it that made you, a Muslim, come to Australia in the first place?

    If you value “your Islamic values” more, then you should not have moved from the hellhole that upholds those values. Obviously you chose to abandon the country of your origin and it’s archaic inhumane systems….. Didn’t you?

    I sincerely hope the leftists lapdogs of Islam are listening watching and learning the truths about the evil ideology spewing out of the mouths of the ones who would have no qualms destroying our western civilization.

  50. Gea says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    This Muslim jerk is free to leave and go into his screwed up sharia run country…so can all 54 millions of Muslims in Europe and 6 millions of Muslims in Gaza, West Bank and Israel, who think that their human rights involved murdering and subduing all non-Muslims.

    Shape up of shoip out. Shut down all mosques in which soldiers for Allah are created every day by reciting hateful verss of Koran,Hadith and Sira. Enough is enough! Send them ALL back and become independent of Muslim oil which finances this invasion against the WEst.

  51. SoCalMike says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    We are prisoners and slaves of the Left.
    They captured our academia and media.
    Government was only a short step from there.
    Today the invite Islamic terrorists here and de facto criminalize identifying them by name and their motives.
    Why do we still import hoards of people from Jihadi exporting countries while allowing Christians to get slaughtered? Because we have been reduced to a society of slaves and prisoners.

  52. Sidah says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 1:14 pm

    This makes me totally ill. The question is why don’t muslims want to sing the Australian national anthem? This is a clear message that their allegiance is not to Australia. Such bold faced arrogance to claim they should not have to sing our anthem. islam will never integrate or assimilate into Australia or any other country that does not practice the teachings of the koran. muslims are 2% of the population in Australia and have a very loud voice, taking advantage of our good nature and anti-discrimination laws. This social upheaval will get worse with increased numbers.

    • Westman says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 2:12 pm

      Yes, Badar is asking Austrailians to be tolerant of treacherous citizenship. Perhaps we could coin a new word, Islamotreachery, to describe this desire to milk a nation without willingly supporting it while looking forward to the assimilation of all nations into a Caliphate.

  53. Ron Morris,, says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    America, Barack Hussein Obama wants to bring 200,000 refugees from Syria into our USA, “We The People ” the American Citizens say to Dictator Obama, Leave your fellow Islamic Muslims in there own home land, if they need food and medical supplies, well send them what they need , but don’t bring anymore of your fellow Islamic Muslims into our USA, our “Welfare System” is already being over run with Islamic Muslims that Hate our America, Christians, and our Christian Religions of our USA and Jewish people in our USA and all over the world. America, Islam is out to take over and destroy our country, as Obama has opened up our borders to all of these 3-rd world people to just walk right in and start living off of the backs of the American working poor and middle class tax payer of our USA. Thanks to Dictator Barack Hussein Obama the Muslim Invasion of our USA is already working on there seventh year on getting a foot hold in our America, people they the Muslims and Obama are working to turn your country our America into a Islamic States as you all are sleeping, guys it time to wake up and start working to push the Congress to “Impeach” this Dictator Obama and run him out of office. People, every country around the world is having problems with the Islamic Muslims as they are out to take over and destroy every country that they Invade. “We The People” the American Citizens say to all Islamic Muslims in our USA and all other countries around the world, ” TO ALL MUSLIMS THAT HAVE INVADED OTHER” NON- MUSLIM COUNTRIES”, If you don’t like the countries that you are living in, well just get up and go back to what ever Sh– Hole Muslim country that you came from, because you are not welcome anymore in all of these countries of the world, we can not afford to keep all of you PARASITES on our “Welfare Systems”, so please get up and off of your lazy A&&es and go back to were ever you came from ! To all members of the Democrat Party, can’t you all see what Obama is doing to your America????

  54. خَليفة says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 1:18 pm

    Give Muslims a choice:
    1) denounce Islam, burn your Quran and assimilate to our culture, or
    2) get deported.

    • username says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 6:33 pm

      What about freedom of religion?

      • Jeremiah says

        Nov 1, 2015 at 10:23 pm

        Imposing sharia upon the world is not freedom of religion. That is the epitome of bigotry and intimidation. Forcing people to burn the teaching of Islam is an the implementation of freedom of religion.

  55. Bobby G says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 1:27 pm

    That’s almost funny coming from a Muslim who demands that every non-Muslim assimilate to Islam or suffer the consequences. Someone who would unhesitatingly force every non-Muslim to assimilate to Islam if they had the power to do it.

  56. Eddiethed says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    Liberals are worse than the Moslems because they agree with the filth of Islam,the west needs to deport all Moslems who don’t assimilate an deport all lefttard liberals with them.

  57. Lyndon Weggery says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 2:12 pm

    I wonder what this chap would make of New Zealand’s national anthem-“God defend N.Z”.Because we sure not talking about Allah. If our Government has any sense we will give preference to Christian Syrian refugees who can be taken care of by existing Coptic families already leaving here and assimilating quite well into our country which is rather proud of its Christian heritage-look at the Treaty of Waitangi!!!

  58. Salome says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    No, it’s not enough that they obey the law (when they choose to) because we know they are doing it grudgingly and abiding the day when sharia becomes the law.

    • username says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 6:34 pm

      Completely untrue. If they really wanted sharia law they would go out and kill some people like terrorists. Any Muslim who is not a terrorist does not want to impose sharia law.

      • Jeremiah says

        Nov 1, 2015 at 11:18 pm

        Any Muslim who is not a terorrist still has to read the Koran. When they do, they either throw up or blow up.

      • Angemon says

        Nov 2, 2015 at 8:24 pm

        Pew Research says otherwise…

        • Jon says

          Nov 2, 2015 at 10:01 pm

          In Australia the number of reports of financial transactions suspected of being linked to terrorism has tripled over the past year, a new report says.
          AUSTRAC, the government agency in charge of fighting money laundering and terrorism financing, revealed in its annual report a jump in terrorism-related “suspicious matter reports” it received from 118 in 2013/14 to 367 in 2014/15.
          They only have to be lucky once, we have to be lucky all the time.

    • Jeremiah says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 11:16 pm

      Must be the provocative music.

  59. The Bull says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    Sonny Bill Williams is a world cup winning rugby and league star. He seems to be a good bloke but I find it a little sad he wont sing the national anthem and more recently he made the index finger salute a few times after winning the world cup.

    • steve says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 11:00 pm

      These a-hole athletes with all their stupid name changes and anti-political agendas against sponsoring countries would all change their revolutionary tunes really quick if their paychecks were fined for every inappropriate act doubled for each subsequent event from the previous fine. These functional idiots that slam dunk, catch tds, and hit balls and so on are most as stupid as doorknobs and yet have the gall to start yapping about world politics and saving the planet to every media leech looking to squeeze a little blood into a story. This is not to say the bozos can’t have their freedom of expression but when its attached to a public event they should not be allowed to use their sports or profession as a forum. I am surprised sports teams allow this crap and do not crack down on these self-proclaimed spokespeople.

  60. Ian G says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 3:34 pm

    The only way to deal with this problem, if we have to accept them, is to give them temporary residency/protection only. They may get all the benefits but if they put a foot wrong they can be deported immediately.

    • Dustin says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 5:53 pm

      Similar “movements” are going on here in the U.S. as well. I am sorry, but if you are going to leave your home to become a citizen in another country, then you need to adopt your new homes values and swallow some of that pride. You can’t expect a country to change its ways just because some immigrants and religious zealots want to feel more at home in a country that has already done enough by accepting them into their population and granting them the same rights as its natural citizens. If they want to live exactly the way they did before, then they should go back to their homelands. You have to adapt to the culture of your new environment. If you don’t share our values, then you don’t belong in our countries. I wouldn’t move to a European country and throw a tantrum because the sport we refer to as soccer is called football over there. The reason I wouldnt do that is because I would look like an asshole for expecting everyone else to adapt to me instead of the other way around. So if you refuse to adapt to a new culture, then go back home and embrace your own values there so that the rest of the world can be left alone.

  61. gavinwca says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 3:55 pm

    If they refuse to assimilate throw their Fascist, ungrateful butt’s out of the country.

    • Gunga din says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 4:18 pm

      Teddy Roosevelt a long past American President spoke to this many years ago…..He said in brief “you can’t serve TWO masters”…..”if you cant embrace Americas values, then we dont want you here…” I’m praphrasing here of course but that was the jist of his speach this BS of foreigners coming into other lands wherever they might be and then telling their host country what they WONT do as GUESTS in the host country is COW CAKES…..throw them all out and back to where they invaded from…….

      Lets put it on a different level…..If I invited YOU into my home and you disrespected me, my family or my home, you’d be thrown out the same door you arrived through…

      • Lynne Marton says

        Nov 2, 2015 at 4:23 am

        Absolutely!!! You come to MY country and want to stay, you adapt to the values and laws of MY country. You can’t expect a country to change all its values and laws to suit you – I didn’t invite you – YOU chose to come therefore you must abide by the law of the land – if not, go somewhere that accepts your ways – WE DO NOT!!!!

      • Mailmam says

        Dec 8, 2015 at 11:19 am

        The quote “You can’t serve two masters ” comes from the Bible, Matthew 6:24. It was said to help people understand they cannot be “worldly” and serve God. It is true Roosevelt said that, and used it properly for his cause.

    • particolor says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 9:25 pm

      Enjoy Your “Forced Assimilation Halal Food” 🙁 🙁

  62. Lucretius says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:04 pm

    I hope Australians and all citizens and supporters of secular republics and monarchies, keep in mind words of John Locke, author of “A Letter Concerning Toleration,” concerning the teachings those who “have no right to be tolerated by the magistrate.” Weigh his words against teachings found in unreformed Islam which, like the ancient Israel in Locke’s letter, is constituted as “an absolute theocracy… The laws established there concerning the worship of One Invisible Deity were the civil laws of that people and a part of their political government, in which God Himself was the legislator” and where those “that did afterwards apostasize from the worship of the God of Israel…were proceeded against as traitors and rebels, guilty of no less than high treason.” Do not be taken in by these Islamists attempting to shame you as hypocrites to your values of freedom and tolerance, but learn from the Teacher of the Founding Fathers what your principles really are.

    Here I copy the most pertinent paragraphs.

    “Another more secret evil, but more dangerous to the commonwealth, is when men arrogate to themselves, and to those of their own sect, some peculiar prerogative covered over with a specious show of deceitful words, but in effect opposite to the civil right of the community. For example: we cannot find any sect that teaches, expressly and openly, that men are not obliged to keep their promise; that princes may be dethroned by those that differ from them in religion; or that the dominion of all things belongs only to themselves. For these things, proposed thus nakedly and plainly, would soon draw on them the eye and hand of the magistrate and awaken all the care of the commonwealth to a watchfulness against the spreading of so dangerous an evil. But, nevertheless, we find those that say the same things in other words. What else do they mean who teach that faith is not to be kept with heretics? Their meaning, forsooth, is that the privilege of breaking faith belongs unto themselves; for they declare all that are not of their communion to be heretics, or at least may declare them so whensoever they think fit. What can be the meaning of their asserting that kings excommunicated forfeit their crowns and kingdoms? It is evident that they thereby arrogate unto themselves the power of deposing kings, because they challenge the power of excommunication, as the peculiar right of their hierarchy. That dominion is founded in grace [God’s favor] is also an assertion by which those that maintain it do plainly lay claim to the possession of all things. For they are not so wanting to themselves as not to believe, or at least as not to profess themselves to be the truly pious and faithful. These, therefore, and the like, who attribute unto the faithful, religious, and orthodox, that is, in plain terms, unto themselves, any peculiar privilege or power above other mortals, in civil concernments; or who upon pretence of religion do challenge any manner of authority over such as are not associated with them in their ecclesiastical communion, I say these have no right to be tolerated by the magistrate; as neither those that will not own and teach the duty of tolerating all men in matters of mere religion. For what do all these and the like doctrines signify, but that they may and are ready upon any occasion to seize the Government and possess themselves of the estates and fortunes of their fellow subjects; and that they only ask leave to be tolerated by the magistrate so long until they find themselves strong enough to effect it?

    Again: That Church can have no right to be tolerated by the magistrate which is constituted upon such a bottom that all those who enter into it do thereby ipso facto deliver themselves up to the protection and service of another prince. For by this means the magistrate would give way to the settling of a foreign jurisdiction in his own country and suffer his own people to be listed, as it were, for soldiers against his own Government. Nor does the frivolous and fallacious distinction between the Court and the Church afford any remedy to this inconvenience; especially when both the one and the other are equally subject to the absolute authority of the same person, who has not only power to persuade the members of his Church to whatsoever he lists, either as purely religious, or in order thereunto, but can also enjoin it them on pain of eternal fire. It is ridiculous for any one to profess himself to be a Mahometan only in his religion, but in everything else a faithful subject to a Christian magistrate, whilst at the same time he acknowledges himself bound to yield blind obedience to the Mufti of Constantinople, who himself is entirely obedient to the Ottoman Emperor and frames the feigned oracles of that religion according to his pleasure. But this Mahometan living amongst Christians would yet more apparently renounce their government if he acknowledged the same person to be head of his Church who is the supreme magistrate in the state”

    • Warren yates says

      Dec 7, 2015 at 10:14 am

      When religious law is held above the law of the land you then have an autocratic theocracy ,not a democracy.. You are either ruled by the law of man or by the law of religion.

  63. Cameron says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    If they’re not going to assimilate into modern civilization then there is zero point in coming to Australia (or pretty much any advanced non-Islamic country). We can see how the formation of parallel Islamic societies along with the local culture has ALWAYS led to violence and conflict and Islamic privelege seeking. The higher the Islamic demographics are, the worse it gets. Islamic intolerance also does a great deal of harm to the local culture if not checked by secular values and effective assimilation. Lives have already been lost in Australia (and most other countries) by the shameful disgrace of “Honour” Murdering usually by one Muslim against a member of their own family. It is one of the least honourable things one can imagine, yet it happens far too often and there are Islamic apologists for this custom. Condemnable Islamic customs and traditions such as this ought to be made a thing only of the past, like slavery was until Islam brought it back (slavery should go too) assimilating into a modern civilization is the only way that Muslims living in the developed world should expect to continue living here.

    • username says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 6:20 pm

      I’m sorry, but you seem to be misinformed about quite a lot of “information” that you are spouting. It’s all nonsense, really. First and foremost, you say “We can see how the formation of parallel Islamic societies along with the local culture has ALWAYS led to violence and conflict”. Yes, I agree, especially when the Chechens were living peacefully until Putin blew up an apartment complex, blamed it on the Chechens, and went to war against them so he could have a political platform to run on. “The higher the Islamic demographics are, the worse it gets.” Is there any evidence to support this, because if there is, you should cite it. And then you say that murdering people is an “Islamic tradition or custom” which it is not. Please tell me where in the Qur’an it says that this is a tradition that must be carried out by all Muslims? And then you say that Islam brought back slavery. Really, when? Because in the Qur’an it explicitly says that freeing a slave is a good deed and that buying a slave to free them can be considered as paying charity. I should also add that this is some extremely progressive thought, especially for the time period.

      • Katmando says

        Nov 1, 2015 at 8:24 pm

        I agree with you. You can thank the media for all of this hyperbole, if this article is in fact true. But immigrants do need to assimilate, and can do so without compromising their beliefs. Countries run best when everybody is on the same page, even if that means standing respectfully during the National Anthem etc.

      • Mary says

        Nov 1, 2015 at 8:28 pm

        Username – nice name. (Notice the sarcasm)

        You obviously are misinformed.
        Islamic tradition, which consists of the hadith and koran, are what implicates slavery and death.

        I am not going to repeat these verses for this reason. This website has them listed, the purpose of this site is to inform you, people like your idiotic self, that islam incites violence based on the premise-conclusion give in the koran.

        Ever heard of the doctrine of abbrogation ? Explicity reveals that “allah” can change his mind. With that, he first states to be at peace with the people of the book, then changes his mind to say to kill then (go and read your koran). The latter change of “so called” verses is the one that stands. Meaning that violence is that than which is used.

        On that note, i really feel that talking to idiots like you is a waste of tim e
        Go and check out this website before you yabber about your nonsense.

        And yes. Islam permits slaves. Look at the sharia. They have it in their islamic countries and history reveals that, time and time again, islam is just pure evil.

        Good day (or not)

      • Peggy says

        Nov 2, 2015 at 12:01 am

        Always a victim.
        Go and spew your lies elsewhere. We here are well informed abuout Islam.
        BTW, Go Putin. Keep these savages in line.

      • Josephus says

        Nov 5, 2015 at 9:28 pm

        @username. The Chechnyans where the ones to start the assassination of Russians in Chechnya. They were armed by the CIA through the US owned oil company, Chevron. About the Muslims taking over, you must be a bit stupid and a lot of an Islamist to try and defend the Muslim way of life or death, because Islam is NOT a religion. Islam is a WAY OF LIFE UNDER THE CALIPHATE OR DIE. We do not have to read the devil’s book to find out what Mohammed and his 40 thieves did. we read the REAL history that our forefathers wrote and how we can defeat Islam at its roots, but our politicians are blinded by the Arab oil money. A time will come when all the Arab oil wells will blow up and with them the Islamists who live off other people’s blood.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 9, 2015 at 12:54 am

        The generically named “username” wrote:

        “The higher the Islamic demographics are, the worse it gets.” Is there any evidence to support this, because if there is, you should cite it.
        ……………………………

        Of course there is–Muslim percentage of population is directly linked to Muslim violence:

        https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/muslim-behavior-with-population-increase/

        More:

        And then you say that murdering people is an “Islamic tradition or custom” which it is not. Please tell me where in the Qur’an it says that this is a tradition that must be carried out by all Muslims?
        ……………………………

        Of course there is–it is incumbent on Muslims to brutalize Infidels until they submit to Islam. The penultimate Ayat is the sanguinary Sura of the Sword, Qur’an 9:5.

        More:

        And then you say that Islam brought back slavery. Really, when? Because in the Qur’an it explicitly says that freeing a slave is a good deed and that buying a slave to free them can be considered as paying charity. I should also add that this is some extremely progressive thought, especially for the time period.
        ……………………………

        The only places in the world where slavery currently exists is in the Muslim world. Slaves make up 17% of the population in Mauritania, Muslims have been enslaving Christians in Sudan for decades now, and the Islamic State has instituted not just slavery, but sex slavery. They are openly holding slave markets.

        All of this is on the basis of the texts and tenets of Islam, ad on the model of the foul “Prophet”, who enslaved his victims, traded in slaves, and receives a sex slave as a “gift” from one of his toadies.

        • Heartwing says

          Nov 10, 2015 at 12:44 pm

          Ha! I was prepared to answer Username the same way you did…with citations and Quran quotes! You beat me to the punch and did a great job! Let me just add a tiny comment more.

          To Username,

          Over time, non-Muslims grew puzzled over the indiscrepancies between stated “Quran content” and negative behavior by so-called extremists. We opened the book and read for ourselves what Quran-following Muslims are taught to do to us! Did you think we wouldn’t? You DO consider us infidels and THE ENEMY. You ARE commanded to destroy us, lie to us, perpetuate deceit, and form a caliph by eliminating our laws/customs and imposing your own. You are taught that it is a sin to assimilate. WE NOW KNOW IT…so at least have the courage to admit the truth when you’re caught in your lie!

      • TheBuffster says

        Nov 9, 2015 at 9:37 am

        Hi, Username.

        It may be considered a decent thing in Islam to free a slave, but Mohammad and his followers took many slaves as captives in war, sold them, or took them as concubines. Having sex with slave girls was permitted.

        You may want to have a look at this Muslim question and answer page, written by Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid :

        http://islamqa.info/en/10382

        Also, on the subject of persecution of Christians by Muslims, in the past *and in the present*, I highly recommend a book, “Crucified Again” by Raymond Ibrahim:

        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1621570258/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1621570258&linkCode=as2&tag=uhurnetw-20

        “Raymond Ibrahim documents the appalling sufferings of Christians from Morocco to Indonesia, from Turkey to Nigeria—everywhere, in fact, that Islamic Sharia and the culture it has shaped hold sway. Ibrahim, a Coptic Christian born and raised in America by Egyptian parents, uses his fluent Arabic, his thorough knowledge of Muslim sources, and his contacts in Christian communities across the Islamic world to uncover the truth about the outrageous abuse Christians undergo on a daily basis and to expose and explain the otherwise unfathomable indifference of Western academia, media, and government to the greatest human rights abuse crisis of our time.

        “In Crucified Again, you’ll learn:

        “The real source of Muslim violence toward Christians (it’s not about race, nationality, or economics)

        “Why Muslims cannot tolerate Christian worship and Christian freedom

        “The remarkable consistency in the Muslim persecution of Christians across centuries and continents

        “The myth of historical Muslim “tolerance”—and how it got started

        “Why Islamic persecution of Christians is getting worse”

        —————————————————-

        It’s not all Muslims who accept the worst aspects of Islam, but generally toleration of non-Muslims falls as the proportion of Muslims rises. I wouldn’t want to see such trends take hold in the West.

        If you read that book and think you can rebut it, come on back here and give it a shot.

    • Heartwing says

      Nov 10, 2015 at 12:27 pm

      Extremely well stated! Good job!

  64. A.M. Hughes says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    If you don’t want to assimilate…return to the country you ran from instead of staying & fighting to take it back from the extremists!

  65. Eddy says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 4:47 pm

    It just goes to show how out of touch they really are, for starters, part of being Australian is singing the Australian anthem, its not forced upon them its just flat out respect for the country that grants them close to absolute freedom in whatever they do, and they openly against us for our way of life and values, so we have to change for them?

    Like fair enough allow them to do their thing during Ramadan, and what not, it just goes to show how it all starts, and it starts with public schools and that where they spread their “message of the truth” around the Special Education Classes and “BAM!” or “”BANG” you have another Jake Bilardi on your hands fighting a war in some war torn part of the world.

    I’m not saying boot them out of our schools because of that, but impressing that they have a nearly free education system and almost endless support in the long term, its really disrespectful when and we all sacrificed something for those systems and to have it frowned upon by the politically correct and making them all feel welcome is just shear lunacy.

    Our sacrifices were our tax dollars.

    Why we remain always and ever willing open to new cultures and we tend to do more for them but in return they remain tight lipped about problems in their own communities in Australia and I imagine its a global problem.

    See its this state sponsored bewilderment that bothers me and most Australians, that fund the houses they live in for free, their education in the public schools, their medical expenses, their CentreLink payments, and the families claim they know nothing about so and so going nuts at a cafe in Martin Place or murdering a innocent man as he walked home from work on a Friday afternoon in Parramatta, always saying “hes a good, smart and clever boy” or “he helps his Grandmother all the time,he is so helpful”

    Clearly the “Cheese has slipped off the Halal certified Jat®” here.

    And in the younger circles (20’s to mid 30’s) they do shout its a conspiracy first despite a significant amount of evidence supporting the contrary. The reason why they do that is because they get most of their information off third party sources (word of mouth) because they did that with Mann Monis.

    They ALWAYS demand our immediate respect and our acceptance to their religious beliefs, but they afford no accommodation to our way of life, and they don’t want to take anything on board about how to live here and our customs, and we can’t say anything or do anything about it.

    Contrary to popular belief they are not poor, they are loaded with money from their own countries, and when something happens to them they are the first ones to go on benefits and next thing you see in a few years is a boat and a massive HiLux parked outside their house and no-one is watching this.

    This is the “modern Australia” that we are all paying for, them, they are the largest groups of sponges in Australia since the influx of the “asylum seekers” (mainly Muslim men) since 2003, 98% failed to find a job, astounding isn’t it?

    And its ‘generational” their kids will learn from them and do the same thing almost but there is the Disability Insurance Scheme to rip off to, I wonder how many of them are on DIS because of Anxiety Issues (commonly sited) and you see them behaving normally in their long white gowns in the middle of the day at a shopping centre, its like that for me when I take a day off work, you see them around Auburn and Bankstown, you cant say get a job because they don’t know how to work.

    I don’t think this is the “Australia” our former serving military soldiers and current serving soldiers have fought for, nope, and the thing is, is that they (the Muslim community) receive a wider and broader of benefits funded by us then our armed services receive towards the end of their careers and after that tough luck “jog-on” why do we have a system where it punishes the people who put their lives on the line for our everyday freedoms and they have the hard road and it’s totally not right.

    And these are the “dickheads” that are shooting at us and decapitating people along the way.

    Its just a religion that thrives upon continuous victimization, cultural abuse, historical destruction and taking advantage of the vulnerable and their families.

    Islam and Australia is a complicated and messy arrangement that needs to be rectified.

    • David Gillespie says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 6:20 pm

      Wow….. An EXACT MIRROR of the United States.

  66. Kilfincelt says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    If they don’t want to assimilate, I am sure that they are free to leave. And good riddance to their disloyal backsides!

  67. al rogat says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    I am in the U.S., and we have the same problem. It is my opinion, if you move to a country, then you accept the mores of that country. If you do not wish to do so, then leave. No one will require you to give up your religion or your religious practices “within your own home.” But, when you require/demand that we, the existing citizens of a country, change our practices and mores for you, then you are out of line. I do not want to change the menu in my schools to forbid pork, as I do not do that for Jews either. If you cannot find enough other food to eat, then send your children with food from your home, as many parents do for many reasons. This is our country, and we are basically ok for you and others to emigrate here. But, in no way shape or form should you expect us to give up what we have here, and what we assumed you cam e here for. If you came here to make this another Islamic theocracy, then you have come to the wrong place, and should go back to anywhere that is the case. Since you probably came here to get away from that type of life, then I am surprised when you demand that we make ourselves over in that image you escaped from (I assume willingly)…

    • carpediadem says

      Nov 2, 2015 at 3:04 am

      Jews will not ask you to give up pork or anything else as Judaism is not a supremacist religion.

      What amazes me is how Muslims, if they are forbidden to eat pork, always seem to recognise it when others eat it. How do they know what it looks and smells like if they never eat it?

  68. Louise from Canada says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 5:20 pm

    “If you don’t share those values, why should they be forced to sing!: So in that case you piece of shit, don’t force non-muslims to eat your shitty hallal food that we DO NOT want not because of our God but because IT IS DANGEROUS FOR OUR LIVES.

    • username says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 6:23 pm

      Since when do Muslims force other people to eat Halal food? I don’t think they care about what you eat. Eat whatever you want.

      • particolor says

        Nov 1, 2015 at 9:36 pm

        You would be eating DIRT Mate ! If your looking for something without Halal on it !!
        Unless You Grow it at home and even then the Seeds probably have the Mark of Satin on them ??
        🙁
        Follow Putin’s Lead and Piss Them Off, if they don’t like our ESTABLISHED Ways !! 🙂

      • Georg says

        Nov 2, 2015 at 6:47 pm

        “Since when do Muslims force other people to eat Halal food?”

        When they force grocery stores to convert their food to halal; it turns out to be quite straightforward.

        • Jon says

          Nov 2, 2015 at 7:26 pm

          Unfortunately we have no choice, we ALL eat halal food. The halal tax is on many things we eat and drink, it doesn’t discriminate between Muslims and kuffars. That’s what gets people so angry, why should we financially support a religion we don’t belong to? I am an atheist and would object to having an impost on my groceries to support the local parish church or Catholic chapel. Why should I pay for mosques and madrassas, many of which preach hatred of the kuffar anyway?

  69. Doug says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 5:50 pm

    Well hell, if the damned muzrats don’t wanna sing the National Anthem of Australia, they can bloody well go BACK to their sandpiles!!!
    I GUARANTEE you not ONE Aussie will miss them, not a ONE!!!

    • Georg says

      Nov 2, 2015 at 6:53 pm

      They should have a “Sponsor-an-Ingrate” program where we fly them to their anthemless unassimilation. Isn’t two happy better than two miserable? Who’d disagree?

  70. undrbed cat says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 5:55 pm

    Muslims know that “cohesive-ness”, assimilation, lying, unites THEIR faith and is a requirement of all muslims. The obligation of muslims is never revealed, they cannot follow the constitution or live under any other rule or law. So they must quote the few peaceful verses, ignore and deny any reference to jihad, which is warfare to subvert and conquer and kill any infidel who will not convert or any other muslim who leaves their religion. It is deception that they work very hard to convince politicians that do not understand these concepts that nothing can be said to expose islam. That is slander according to sharia law should be criminal This concept works against freedom of speech. It is deception and moh is the best of all deceivers.

    Nothing to do with isis, not at all true, the same is true with any other koran based terror group. It is fundalmental. Democrats and Republicans who do not know the facts as presented by the experts in sharia law, who are silenced must be heard. Read the 1st Edition of the 9// Commission that is correct.

    • Infovoyeur says

      Nov 1, 2015 at 9:17 pm

      I am copying-&-printing off, this valuable comment. Others say this too but this one has high specific gravity, intensely encapsulates without dilution, the problem–which is World War IV (III was cold-war communism, admittedly lesser).

      • particolor says

        Nov 1, 2015 at 9:49 pm

        And were all being Takiyya’d Nicely !! 🙂

  71. Raj says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 7:01 pm

    Easy solution to the issue: Muslims who don’t want to accept Australian values can simply immigrate to any of the over 54 Islamic countries. Not one single Muslim was invited to be in Australia by the Australian government. They came on their own free will. They can go anytime: no one in Australia will stop them.

    • Anushka says

      Nov 2, 2015 at 12:32 pm

      Wow. Actually after the LEBANON civil war the Australian government sent a multitude of invitations to MUSLIMS and asked them to come and live here. Why do you speak that which you know not? The stupidity of the comments on this website is so embarrassing to Australians. It’s like all the uneducated people flocked together and started trying to have an intellectual conversation.

      • Jon says

        Nov 2, 2015 at 5:11 pm

        It’s true that Australian Prime Ministers Hawke and Fraser invited refugees from the Lebanese civil war to come here. Sadly it’s their offspring that feature mainly in the current headlines about terrorism, drug importation, gun battles and organised crime generally. Unfortunately, if they’re born here we can’t send them back, but I’m hoping that our politicians might look at changing that law soon.

        • خَليفة says

          Nov 3, 2015 at 7:54 pm

          If Government redefines its freedom of religion laws to “acknowledge as a religion” ONLY “belief systems/doctrine/text, etc” which can harmoniously co-exist with other such systems then Islam would not be recognized as a religion by the state.

          Now this does not mean someone can’t be a Muslim, it just means that there would be no government recognition of their belief beyond a “personal belief” – no tax benefit, no sanctuary, etc. a mosque would just be another building, no religious protections under the law.

          The determination would be based solely on any and all texts of doctrine/learning, the full corpus of material.

          #NukeMecca

        • Jeremiah says

          Nov 3, 2015 at 8:56 pm

          Contrary to Christianity, most philosophies are brittle or tenuous. That includes rituals like Islam. Islam has little logical or moral support. Its thrust comes from its leaders who have already lost their soul. It is through intimidation when ritual is not enough. Islam is the problem, not the solution. The fruits of Islam are so outrageous that they can hardly be believed. The barbarity and the destruction is outside our realm of thinking. The teaching of Islam must be stopped. To mutilate girls and to brainwash boys to mutilate themselves is contrary to our culture. We have a duty to those who need our help. So take down the mosques, burn the koran and save the Christians by all means. However, muslims without a mosque and without a koran? Maybe for a short time.

    • judd rusnak says

      Nov 2, 2015 at 4:12 pm

      Just to correct you, 57 Muslim countries (not 54)

      • Jon says

        Nov 2, 2015 at 4:54 pm

        Judging from all the media hype in Australia about this issue, it’s got little to do with kids singing the actual anthem than yet another chosen banner for the leftists to wave. These people will make an issue out of anything, and if they can’t think of something new themselves they’ll start backing the Muslims over whether school canteens should be stocking bacon sandwiches, whether Xmas should be banned, and whether women should be allowed to attend citizenship ceremonies or court appearances wearing niqabs. Garbage basket!

    • Georg says

      Nov 2, 2015 at 7:04 pm

      Right on, Raj!

  72. Trevor Stephens says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 7:02 pm

    None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who mistakenly believe that they are free!!! Goethe

    • خَليفة says

      Nov 3, 2015 at 7:35 pm

      For those Muslims who didn’t get it, he’s talking about you.

  73. Spumoni says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    I dont usually make comments but i share a video for you to watch. This is 1400 years of migration and demands by the Muslims. And all that you have learned in history books is not truth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y …

  74. Radegunda says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    Well, he’s pretty much making the case that Islam itself is the problem; that less-radical means less-Islamic; that Islam is not reformable; and that Muslims do not belong in non-Muslim, democratic societies.

  75. mortimer says

    Nov 1, 2015 at 10:26 pm

    Mr Badar said, “the attempt to reform Islam is doomed to failure.”

    That is the main problem. Islam is subversive, conspiratorial and predatory and cannot be reformed because of the UNIVERSAL and ETERNAL declarations made by Mohammed.

    The only reformation of Islam was the Ahmadi neo-prophetic movement which reformed jihad into a mere verbal jihad.

  76. Dilemma Creator says

    Nov 2, 2015 at 2:39 am

    Play the anthem in Centrelink offices.

  77. Danise O'Dea Freifeld says

    Nov 2, 2015 at 3:18 am

    If these selfish, narcissistic Radical Islamic morons are going to leave Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and immigrate to civilized democratic nations in the west such as England, France, Australia, European nations, and the US, they must expect to assimilate into the culture and society of whatever nation they CHOOSE to settle in. They have no right to carve out Muslim communities in our countries, then demand that we change Our ways of life because We offend their way of life. Sorry, if they don’t like western, democratic civilization, they are more than welcome to go back to the hovels they crawled out of, if they aren’t willing to be grateful for what they are being offered for free-Welcome into a new country and freedom from persecution. If that isn’t enough, too bad, go back to where you came from, and leave us alone to celebrate our holidays, to wish each other “merry Christmas” “Happy Halloween”, and to sing our national anthem and recite our pledge of allegiance whenever and wherever it pleases us! We don’t expect to go to Tehran and demand that their anthem be banned in favor of ours, so why should ours be banned here because they don’t like it?

    • Anushka says

      Nov 2, 2015 at 12:19 pm

      They never asked for it to be banned. Do u feel stupid now?

      • Jon says

        Nov 2, 2015 at 4:59 pm

        ‘Assimilation’ should be thankfully accepted by those who have chosen to flee oppressive cultures. It’s not a question of ‘forcing’ anybody, it’s just an expectation that those people would show gratitude for the friendly welcoming hand that’s been proferred to them. If it’s that hard to understand then maybe they were actually happier whence they came. In which case…..the engines are humming down at the airport, don’t be late getting through the embarcation gate!

      • Georg says

        Nov 2, 2015 at 7:13 pm

        Anushka,

        Saudi Arabia will not tolerate a religious structure that isn’t a mosque within its borders. It will not tolerate a non-Muslim within Mecca. It will not tolerate a Syrian refugee. It sends loads of money to the West to build Wahabbist mosques.

        In France the French have to engage with Muslim hysterical superstition about eating pork. How does this make you feel?

    • Heartwing says

      Nov 10, 2015 at 1:14 pm

      You would be imprisoned or even executed if you went to Tehran and even made an anti-Muslim slur! The fact that Muslims were allowed to hold a protest rally is a testament to the freedom that claim not to have!

  78. Caro says

    Nov 2, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    Mr Badar, why don’t you and yours charter a plane and please LEAVE THIS COUNTRY as characters such as you, we do not need. Neither your organisation. Islam does not belong in the West.
    Go away!!!

  79. Mala says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    Well, as an immigrant myself, I find the ideals of moving to another country and expecting the country to adapt to me to be ridiculous. Why move somewhere that you don’t feel connected to in some way? If one’s beliefs trump the beliefs of every one else, they have already lost sight of free will. Stay where you are if you feel that way. Plain and simple.

    • Jon says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 4:49 pm

      My views precisely, Mala. As an immigrant myself I find it utterly infuriating that a bunch of Muslims could come up with that argument against assimilation. And yet they still prefer to perversely accuse the rest of us of discrimination when it’s them who have no intention of integrating and assimilating.

  80. Heartwing says

    Nov 10, 2015 at 1:31 pm

    Isn’t it interesting that rich Muslim countries didn’t offer a hand to help their poor refugee cousins? Some of the richest nations in the world turned their back on their fellow Muslims. Why? Assimilation into those cultures would have been pain-free with little travel. Why was the burden placed entirely on the backs of Non-Muslim countries…where assimilation creates conflict? Is this part of an overall caliph…or are non-Muslims perfectly okay with throwing their brothers and sisters out into the street? BTW, neither answer is tolerable!

  81. Karen Colley says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 11:49 am

    Perhaps they should go where thry are not offended.

  82. sandra borr says

    Dec 7, 2015 at 10:49 am

    Their rejection of allegiance to Austrailia, US, Canada, etc., is offensive. But, at least you know where they stand. If they do not feel patriotic they can’t be forced – but the host countries need to work harder not to cater to their demands but to convert them, to get them to participate. This is not easy when their whole culture seeks to keep them submissive to Islam but it;s the only way the future will be secured for democracy. …..Some more agressive subversive elements intend to use our “soft” views and liberal laws to wage jihad via lawsuits. They intend to use our courts to their advantage. CAIR, a Muslim Brotherhood sponsored organization is the best known in this country, Both groups are listed as terrorist by certain Arabic countries. Obama has entertained them at the white house. Trump’s popularity is a backlash. Hopefully, the GOP won’t bungle this opportunity to “right” some of Obama’s damage, and will offer a candidate less offensive to the masses. But even if Trump eventually is there choice – anyone is better than Hillary(Obama). Many people have inherited a preference for the Democratic party – but they fail to realize that the party is no longer what it was. Others, like myself, are not completly on board with GOP platforms, but realize we must choose priorities. And we don’t want to live in Amerikastan.

  83. Tod Burtns says

    Dec 8, 2015 at 1:31 am

    If you don’t sing the song,
    Go back where you belong!

  84. Writer911 says

    Dec 10, 2015 at 10:50 am

    This muslim’s comment is a false argument. For one thing no one is ever force to sing along. And frankly most people (99%) don’t sing along with the singer singing the national anthem.

  85. Johnny Salad says

    Dec 30, 2015 at 12:38 pm

    Mr. Badar asks, “If you don’t share those values, why should they [Muslim children] be forced to sing it?”

    Why, then, would you become a citizen of a country whose values you do not share? Seems like someone’s upset about a lack of a peaceful pathway to Islamization.

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