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Egyptian TV host to atheist: “We don’t want any atheists or infidels here”

Nov 11, 2015 10:01 am By Robert Spencer

This exchange doesn’t ever get anywhere close to being a rational discussion. Its very failure to do so, however, is yet another illustration of the deep hostility Islam inculcates toward opposing viewpoints: “Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, harsh to disbelievers” (Qur’an 48:29). There is no engaging with dissenting ideas. There is only the stigmatizing and demonizing of those who hold them. In that, Islamic supremacists resemble the contemporary American Left, and American academia.

“By now, we have 866 atheists…” I’ll wager there are more.

“TV Host Clashes with Egyptian Atheist Live on the Air: We Don’t Want Infidels Here,” MEMRI, November 3, 2015:

On November 3, Egyptian atheist human rights activist Ahmed Harqan appeared on a talk show on Al-Assema TV, where he faced off against TV host and actress Rania Mahmoud Yassin, who introduced the topic by saying that “unfortunately” the phenomenon exists in Egypt in the form of 866 atheists. Yassin is the daughter of well-known actor Mahmoud Yassine. After some time of wrangling, Harqan got up to leave. “Fine, leave. Go away. We don’t want any atheists or infidels here anyway,” was Yassin’s parting shot.

Following are excerpts:

Actress and TV host Rania Mahmoud Yassin: Atheism is not a new phenomenon, but unfortunately, it exists in our society. We shall discuss it today. We shall present two opposing ideas. The truth is that this phenomenon has begun spreading like wildfire. Unfortunately, it exists in Egypt. By now, we have 866 atheists, and they have a significant presence in the social media.

[…]

Ahmed Harqan: I would like to object to the term “unfortunately,” which was used twice. A TV host must not say “unfortunately”…

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: You should address this to me, not to Sharif. Of course I say “unfortunately.” When we have in our society people who are against our religion, I must say “unfortunately.” I am not going to look into the camera, and say to these people: “Bravo for being atheists.” I’m sorry. Don’t comment on what I say. State your opinion, and that’s it. It’s none of your business what the TV hosts say.

Ahmed Harqan: You are an actress, and the daughter of a great actor…

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: You can state your opinion…

Ahmed Harqan: Let me complete…

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: With your permission…You just state your opinion and don’t comment on what the TV hosts say…

Ahmed Harqan: No, I will say whatever I want.

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: We TV hosts can say whatever we want. I will say whatever I want too. Why can you say whatever you want and I can’t?

Ahmed Harqan: Either I’ll say what I want or I’m out of here.

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: Go ahead and say what you want, but don’t comment on what I say. This is a debate. He will present his opinion, and you will present yours. We are not a party to the debate. You won’t comment on what we say, and vice versa.

Ahmed Harqan: By saying “unfortunately” three times you made yourself a party to the debate. Instead of talking to the common people and teaching them, you stoop to the simplistic level of the fundamentalists. You’re acting like ISIS.

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: No, that’s not fundamentalism. I’m not ISIS. Don’t accuse me of harboring an ISIS ideology. No, sir. When you talk like that, you are the one using the ISIS method or imposing your opinion.

Ahmed Harqan: There are ISIS members who…

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: There are ideological ISIS members who wear the masks of atheism, unbelief, and denial of everything. That means that you are also an ISIS member.

Ahmed Harqan: Me?!

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: Of course. You are an ISIS member of another kind.

Ahmed Harqan: So that means that Sweden is ruled by ISIS. Sweden, the entire population of which is atheist, is like ISIS.

[…]

I don’t believe in all these things.

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: Allah is the one and only [true God].

Ahmed Harqan: For me these are mere superstitions.

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: You see this as a superstition…

Ahmed Harqan: Of course. That’s what I’m saying. I don’t believe in all these things. If you ask me why I believe, I can tell you why I believe in this, that, or the other, but the answer to the question why I don’t believe is a general answer: All the different religions that claim that there is an almighty God constitute ideas without any evidence. These are scientific theories for which no evidence has been provided.

Male TV host: What is your proof that…

Ahmed Harqan: No evidence is necessary to prove lack of belief.

Male TV host: What proof do you have that God doesn’t exist?

Ahmed Harqan: And what proof do you have that Superman doesn’t exist?

[…]

If you cannot prove scientifically that [Muhammad] ever existed, how can you build a complete belief on this?

Male TV host: How can we believe in the books of history, in general?

Ahmed Harqan: The truth of every historical text that has survived to our times is relative.

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: You say that Muhammad didn’t exist, and so the Quran doesn’t exist. Answer him.

Ahmed Harqan: I haven’t finished yet. This is unacceptable. We have a time limit…

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: I’m responsible for what I say here… We are in charge of this show. With your permission…

Ahmed Harqan: I’m going to leave…

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: Either your respect the debate and its moderator or not…

Ahmed Harqan: No, I’m leaving.

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: You are the only one talking. Ayman must get a chance to respond. We have the right to run the show whichever way we want. When you mention one point, he has the right to respond.

Harqan gets up to leave and starts removing his microphone

Ahmed Harqan: Okay, thank you very much…

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: Fine, leave. Go away. We don’t want any atheists or infidels here anyway.

Ahmed Harqan: So why did you invite me? Shame on you.

Rania Mahmoud Yassin: We present an idea so that people may learn a lesson from it. Yes, so that people can learn a lesson from atheism, heresy, and all those disgraceful phenomena in society. Disgraceful ideas! You don’t want anyone to answer you or moderate the show…

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  1. Miao Zedong says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 10:11 am

    The most fundamental christians or any other religious persons don’t come across as mentally impaired as muslims do on a regular basis.

    What a sick ideology.

  2. Myxlplik says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 10:21 am

    I think Monotheists, if they thought about it, would come to envy the faith of Atheists.

    The faithful Atheist believes in one God, which is science, and through that they understand life can be created from some frothy vomit, randomly in some “primordial soup”.

    That takes a TON of faith, in your science diety.

    • I. Newton says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 11:02 am

      You have no idea what science is: zilch!

      • Myxlplik says

        Nov 11, 2015 at 12:00 pm

        and you deny your faith in science :).

        • Gildas says

          Dec 26, 2015 at 8:00 am

          It’s not faith in science or belief in science.
          If someone has faith or belief in science, that’s stupid. They miss the whole point.
          One can believe and be scientistific, I don’t get why people want to oppose the two at all costs.
          For example, most of the groundbreaking research on evolution (done on fruit flies) was done by Jesuit monks fff. Yet southern Bible thumpers want to ban evolution in school! Do these crazies really think that they can question the faith of hardcore Jesuits and their lifelong research? Or that they are more “pure” or more religious in any way or form? That’s crossing the Rubicon between “Hardcore” and “Dumb Zealot”.

          Science is a tool, a hammer, input in, output out. It can’t and should not be compared to religion. Any religion.

          I’m a staunch atheist, but even I can see the value of most secular religious books at least as a compilation of 6000 years of project management. And there good and bad examples of how to do stuff there. Got a hard project? Work like crazy for 6 days then rest a day before starting again, you’ll be more productive etc. Want to go in deep debt to open an activity “slave to the lender”, bootstrap instead, etc.
          So if you want to study DNA, the Bible ain’t going to tell you naught about the tooling and moral implications, but it will tell you to take a day off every 7 and not to borrow too much money and equipment because then somebody else will own the result of your work.
          The Koran and Torah will be more or less equivalent.

          The problem is when these general “social” rules get twisted beyond their general concept ideal into all bearing control evil things. That’s when religion is not a methodology but all encompassing crazy that I profoundly dislike.

    • Miao Zedong says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 11:19 am

      Can you read my mind ?

      If there is a God then the laws of nature are the laws of God.

      Studying science is a relgious duty.

      And yes – there is nothing human in this kind of God.

      • Myxlplik says

        Nov 11, 2015 at 11:23 am

        Nice, harmony through ass kicking arguments ;).

      • Macjacmccoy says

        Jan 10, 2016 at 12:33 am

        Actually your wrong. God tells us we aren’t suppose to try to figure out his methods, why something works, or why he does it. That’s it’s pride and narcissism that drives us to know what God knows and that it’s a sin. So science isn’t a religious duty it’s a tool we use to further our selves from God’s will.

    • ygalg says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 10:36 am

      I wish I could do “like” to your post.

  3. Roger says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 10:23 am

    Hopefully he went straight home, collected his family, passports and essential items and flew to safety.

  4. Angemon says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 10:26 am

    Rania Mahmoud Yassin: Fine, leave. Go away. We don’t want any atheists or infidels here anyway.

    Here, there, elsewhere or anywhere.

    • mortimer says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 10:42 pm

      “We don’t want any atheists or infidels here anyway.”

      That’s a death threat.

  5. Emilie Green says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 10:40 am

    Rania Mahmoud Yassin: Either your respect the debate and its moderator or not…

    —–

    Should she decide to leave Egypt there’s a job a CNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, the NYT et alia, waiting for her.

  6. Westman says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 10:45 am

    The conflict is couched in misleading language, pitting Theism against A-Theism, ignoring other parts of the spectrum.

    If we can’t get past this false narrative and realize that it is a question of freedom and self-determination versus the dictatorship of Islamic Ideology, the West will not have the unity necessary to remain free.

    • Myxlplik says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 10:57 am

      True enough, Islam/Muslims will tolerate 0 diversity. The woman in the article is upset over 800 Atheists in Egypt… whoa… 800 or so. I just think Atheists should have a little more pride in their faith is all, they’d get further in their aguements with other monotheists.

      • Franubis says

        Nov 11, 2015 at 11:20 am

        I hope that you stop saying we Atheists have a deity, because we DO NOT.

        We do not believe in fairy tales. Oh, you say Mohammed flew from Jerusalem to Heaven in a flying horse? Lol, yeah, like Hercules.
        Oh, you say Jesus walked on water? Yeah, sure…

        Our “faith” is science is completely different. We DEMAND theorists and scientists to prove points that can validate their theories.

        • Miao Zedong says

          Nov 11, 2015 at 11:27 am

          I only believe facts. Being “atheist” is as much factual as being “theist”. That’s why even R. Dawkins won’t say that he is 100% atheist.

          Otherwise I agree with you.

          However, just humor me – have you ever acertained the atomic weighs for yourself ? If not, what makes you different from someone who believes in “Phlogistons” or “Fairies” ?

        • Myxlplik says

          Nov 11, 2015 at 2:25 pm

          I understand, but as an Agnostic Theist I must say Atheists are a bit too puritanical in their faith, but way safer to poke fun at then Muslims.

          I went to the Church of Atheism, otherwise known as the Academy of Science, last year in San Francisco, where I watched a wonderfull piece at the Planetarium about “life”. Towards the end, there was a great rendition of the Atheist Creation Story. It was awesome, I got to watch naturally occurring nucleic acids trapped in random fat globules spontaneously metamorph into life. Even though there has never been a laboratory experiment recreating this magical event, you should have seen all of the awestruck piety on faces in the audience. Any monotheist would have been proud of the faith in that Planetarium. The proof was as water tight as a phospholipid barrier ;). I did however contain my mirth.

        • PRCS says

          Nov 11, 2015 at 9:57 pm

          Miao Zedong says

          November 11, 2015 at 11:27 am

          “However, just humor me – have you ever acertained the atomic weighs for yourself ? If not, what makes you different from someone who believes in “Phlogistons” or “Fairies” ?”

          Assuming that you’re not a Dispatcher, or the Captain, First Officer, or Flight Engineer of the airliner you’re about to fly in, do you personally check the weight and balance data or do you place your faith them?

      • Miao Zedong says

        Nov 11, 2015 at 11:22 am

        It’s disputable whether atheists number less than 1000 in a country of 80 Million.

        Since the toppling of muslim brother Mursi the country is indisputably the most “islamophobic” in the arabic world 😉

      • Stuart says

        Nov 11, 2015 at 5:55 pm

        Atheism is not an Idea a faith or an Ideology it Is just a lack of all three. It has no will to impose its self on everyone (although it would be a good idea) unlike other religions and especially Islam which seeks to overrule any different Ideas It does not agree with as she totally demonstrated. Instead of being an Impartial host she was confrontational and arrogant as soon as she opened her mouth.

  7. nacazo says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 11:26 am

    That deranged woman is exhibiting stockholm syndrome. She supposedly is “moderator” in a debate but she’s defending one side of the debate and opposing the other which means she doesn’t know how to be a moderator. for her, it is more about defending her credentials as an unveiled believer among the fundamentalist society that egypt has become. she’s trying to earn points among the religious islamic misogynists that dominate her society. Be more catholic than the pope, if you will.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 12:37 pm

      Not just unveiled but wearing a “look at me” t shirt. She did do a movie honoring the Muslim Brotherhood so all is well. She also is competing in the fastest talker in the world contest, not to be confused with the most obnoxious talk show host in the world contest which she has previously won and is defending her title.

      It brings to mind something Wafa Sultan wrote in “A God Who Hates”:
      “Shouting has become their (Muslims) hallmark and main characteristic they use when they engage in conversation with someone they don’t agree with. Without it they have no sense of their own worth or existence; without it they have no sense of even being alive…on top of shouting their way through conversation, they have acquired the habit of shrieking, and they take pleasure in hearing their own shrieks. They believe that the louder they speak, the more they prove they are right. Their conversation consists of shouting, their talk is a screech, and he who shouts loudest and longest is, they believe, the strongest.

      “They way the world has retreated, and continues to retreat, in the face of Muslims’ screams and shouts, has played a major role in encouraging them to behave the way they do. When others remain silent or worse, retreat, Muslims get the impression they are right.”

      • Shmooviyet says

        Nov 11, 2015 at 1:31 pm

        Great point from a terrific book, @Jack Diamond. Similar to an abusive spouse shouting down the partner to ‘win’ the fight.
        In a restaurant last week here in Mini-Mogue, two Somali men were ‘conversing’ so the whole place could hear. We unfortunately were right behind. It could have passed for an argument, but they seemed friendly enough to each other.
        Many Somalis also tend to SCREAM into their phones while on line– at the pharmacy, for example. Other patrons stand silent but are very obviously irritated. I’ve dared to wonder if this form of communication could have anything to do with the increasing appearance of ‘no cell phone use in line’ signs?
        Perhaps that’s just my pesky islamophobia reappearing.

      • Georg says

        Nov 11, 2015 at 4:05 pm

        It’d be interesting to plot voice volume against debate success. Or maybe words/minute and debate success.

        There aren’t many great thinkers who are remembered for their shouting and hysteria.

  8. Allan Madrowski says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    Wow that TV host was full of shit. Worst TV host ever, but I’m not surprised.

    Also there are probably in the 10.000s atheists in Egypt.

  9. Shmooviyet says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 2:02 pm

    “Fine. Leave. Go away…”
    She’s quite proud of her intolerance feathers. Have the ‘co-exist’ and SPLC types taken notice?

  10. Peter Buckley says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 2:18 pm

    “The truth is this phenomenon has began spreading like wildfire”.

    Indeed. And from the mouth of a muslia.

    As I keep repeating, despite the oft-repeated mantra, with no evidence, that “Islam is growing”, the opposite is true:

    http://chronikler.com/middle-east/egypt/atheists-out-closet/

    I don’t believe anything can save Islam now…………

  11. Sam says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    The concept of “discussion” is totally different to a Muslim than to an infidel. Which means there really is no discussion in Islam. I wonder why we are even bothering.

  12. Georg says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    If only she’d been aware of a tenth the intellectual battering she received.

    “There are ideological ISIS members who wear the masks of atheism…”

    *SMH*

  13. mortimer says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 5:59 pm

    The main point of the exchange appears this: “If you cannot prove scientifically that [Muhammad] ever existed, how can you build a complete belief on this?”

    Good point. Muslims build their system of belief on a will-o-the-wisp whose very existence has no solid basis and whose biography appears to have been progressively invented.

    No original source text about Mohammed remains. Muslim rulers destroyed ALL original source texts and re-wrote or invented the biographies of Mohammed to suit their tastes and to slander and deny the achievements of rival dynasties.

    Mohammed is as real or as known to history as King Arthur or Robin Hood…in other words, a figure of fantasy and conjecture at best.

  14. Steve says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    No doubt he was beheaded a day later.

  15. ? says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    At around 4:30 or so I thought she was going to jump up whip out a knife and stab the guy! That’s some anger. And also I think all that first world style tv show privilege is getting to her head, would she be able to do that in public? Just chew out a guy like that? Also where’s her hijab no one questions that?

  16. Caro Israeli says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 2:12 am

    MORONS MORONS MORONS

  17. Daniel Apostol says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 2:25 am

    What an eye opener!
    Is this how Muslims (the moderate no doubt, note her hooker makeup and the absence of a burka or even headscarf!!!!) discuss religious matters?
    This is the same country which had the world leading library over 2000 years ago.. Not much left of that culture, now it’s just dumb ignorant Islam! Sad and pathetic.
    How is that stupid cow anyway, he referred to her as an ‘actress’, doughter of a ‘great actor’?
    (Stupid cow here being a fair description based on my observation here, and actually an insult to those large things outside with be bells around their necks)

  18. boris99 says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 4:33 am

    So they know exactly how many atheists there are in Egypt? Are they tracking them, spying on them?

    • Allan Mandrowski says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 11:39 am

      They pulled that figure out of their hairy arses.

      It’s safe to say that with a population of 88million there are 10 thousands of atheists and probably in the 100 thousands of those who are “irreligious / non religious”. However, for obvious reasons the majority of them isn’t as vocal as a handful that is.

    • Sovereign Man says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 11:09 pm

      There will be roughly 865.92 atheists in Egypt after they are done with him.

  19. ich says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 9:03 am

    wow shes worse than whoopi

  20. concerned canadian says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 9:04 am

    what shirt did she have on ?

    INFIDEL !!!!

  21. Marken says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    They rattle on and shout to drown out the voice of their own doubts.

  22. Glen says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 3:27 pm

    I would have no qualms at smashing the face of that muzzer c*** to a pulp just to shut her warped mouth up. She is typical of the RoP, just can’t accept any other way but their own.

  23. Bill Lambert says

    Dec 8, 2015 at 7:48 pm

    This woman (rania mahmoud yassin) is clearly not capable of accepting any idea or thought that doesn’t fall narrowly within the ones she was born into. This “confirmation bias” rules her way of thinking and she’s clearly so passionate about her beliefs she can become angered that someone may not agree with her religion the EXACT way she views it. This sad, biased and one-sided attempt at entertainment only detracted from her show format and her ability to host an open forum where thoughts could be openly and honestly debated. People like this scare me. The day I ever get this angry because someone ELSE doesn’t believe exactly what I believe about my religion is the day I no longer deserve to have a voice, as she doesn’t deserve to have – let alone time on a television show where there’s an audience that must endure this form of radicalized thinking. The idea isn’t that this man was an atheist, the idea is his ideas weren’t accepted by the mainstream and therefor must be wrong…SO WHAT???

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