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France: Only 30 Muslims show up for rally against Paris jihad attacks

Nov 18, 2015 7:13 am By Robert Spencer

That’s thirty Muslims out of around five million Muslims in France. This is not the first time that attendance at a Muslim rally against terrorism has been decidedly underwhelming. In July 2015, a Muslim rally in Ireland against the Islamic State drew fifty people. In October 2014 in Houston, a rally against the Islamic State organized by the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) drew the grand total of ten people. In August 2013 in Boston, about 25 Muslims rallied against “misperceptions” that Islam was violent. About the same number showed up in June 2013 at a progressive Muslim rally in Toronto to claim that their religion had been “hijacked.”

And back in 2005, a group called the Free Muslims Coalition held what it dubbed a “Free Muslims March Against Terror,” intending to “send a message to the terrorists and extremists that their days are numbered … and to send a message to the people of the Middle East, the Muslim world and all people who seek freedom, democracy and peaceful coexistence that we support them.” In the run-up to the event it got enthusiastic national and international publicity, but it ended up drawing about twenty-five people.

Contrast those paltry showings to the thousands of Muslims who have turned out for rallies against cartoons of Muhammad or against Israel. Here are some headlines from the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo jihad massacre of Muhammad cartoonists in January 2015:

Chechnya: 800,000 Muslims protest Muhammad cartoons; protests also in Iran, Pakistan, Ingushetia, elsewhere

Pakistan: 10,000 Muslims protest against Charlie Hebdo’s Muhammad cartoons

Australia: 1,000 Muslims rally against Charlie Hebdo and the freedom of speech

Kyrgyztsan: 1,000 Muslims rally: “I am not Charlie, I love my Prophet.”

But given a chance to show how Muslims overwhelmingly reject “extremism,” only a handful show up. Also, read their sign. “Revolution for world of humanity is the only solution,” says Imam Hayat. What kind of revolution?

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“We need to wage a jihad against the jihad’: French Muslims join mourners to condemn Paris attacks… But are they too late?,” by Jake Wallis Simons, Mailonline, November 17, 2015:

As crowds continued to gather at the Place de la République last night, laying flowers and lighting candles in memory of the dead, a group French Muslims held up banners and started to chant.

‘Unite against brutality, unite for humanity!’ They shouted. ‘Killing any human is killing all mankind! Saving any human is saving all mankind!’

Around 30 Muslims, all of Bangladeshi origin and living in Paris, felt they had to take a stand against Islamic extremism because – as they saw it – few other Muslims were willing to raise their voices.

‘Muslims are not being loud enough,’ Mohammad Hassan, 35, told MailOnline, ‘This needed to be done because some Muslims are afraid of coming out to say the truth.

‘About five percent of Muslims support the terrorists. The rest of them need to speak out. I wish more Muslims would join us here.

‘We swear we will fight against these monsters. Decent Muslims must stand up to them before it is too late.’

Last night, Khalil Merroun, the rector of the Islamic Centre in Courcouronnes where Oman Mostefai, one of the suicide bombers, is thought to have attended, struck a similar note.

‘We need to wage a jihad against the jihad,’ he told MailOnline. ‘These kids want to change the world rather than themselves. We have to show the true face of Islam.’…

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  1. talking.cloud.org (@TalkingOrg) says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 7:30 am

    It amazes me that still our sugared up politicians who are paid whacko amounts of money to “govern” us promote Islam as a religion of peace when in fact it is a political ideology which at its heart has the elimination of you and yours so that it can take what was once yours which is a pattern we see all over the world – slaughter, steal houses and land then dictate religious abeyance as state. Any means can be used to achieve those aims including the practice of trakya which is deceit and lying to further the advance of Islam, evidently very effective with politicians.

    The only way of treating Islam IS NOT TO ALLOW IT IN YOUR COUNTRY IN THE FIRST INSTANCE.
    https://youtu.be/C9sYgqRtZGg

    • nORA says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 9:09 pm

      Your politicians are not wacko. They are traitors of another sort and all they want is to being more muslims to get VOTES. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE HALAL POLITICIANS OF AMERICA. Obama thinks they are widowed and have children. 85% of the refuges are YOUNG MALES. It is time Americans stood up for their own rights and asked their politicians to step down when they BETRAY AMERICANS.

      • Ami says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 9:20 pm

        I agree…something big is at foot, something that has been masked by the current crisis world events.

        • Peggy says

          Nov 19, 2015 at 4:22 am

          That’s for sure.
          Someone wants to control the world and Islam is a perfect vehicle for that.
          Muslims are afraid of each other as well so they all tow the line and dob each other in. What a wonderful way to control everyone.
          Even Communism didn’t get all that.

    • Sh. N. says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 am

      History of the inception of Islam reveals what kind of religion it is. Has it ever been a religion of peace? From the very beginning it always claimed itself as a religion of peace, but it has always been a propaganda to deceive ordinary people. By this deception they weakened the national support of the soon-to-be- defeated-countries’ armies. And they showed their real face after each and every victory.
      Gullibles had no other way rather than accepting the new religion and be slaves to the Arab masters for centuries. And now their descendants are more Muslims then the children of the victorious masters of 1400 years ago.
      Egypt, Iran, most of Iraq, Syria were not Arab states but they accepted the Arabic religion. Islam and it’s preachers invaded Arab tribes within the borders of Arabian desert first. Then the followers of this religion of bandits invaded civilized neighboring countries. That is the point. It doesn’t matter how advanced and civilized you are, you and your future generations all will be devout Muslims as Syrians and Iranians are now.
      There is one hope; and it is to understand that you are lied to, that Islam is not peace-focused ideology. They will hunt you down as soon as they can. Don’t let them into your circle of friends. Consider them as potential enemies.

      • Raja says

        Nov 19, 2015 at 10:59 am

        Sh N,

        Good suggestion about potential enemies in Islamist. Really potential enemy because at opportune time some nut in the name of Islam would want to kill you/slit your throat open for “no rime or reason”!!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. Jaladhi says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 7:33 am

    Ain’ that nice!! Where are those millions of peaceful and peace loving Muslims??? It is only West’s imaginary creation!! But they learn anything from this – nah – why let facts blow up their foolish delusions!

    • Lucretius says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 7:13 pm

      Oh Jaladhi, facts schmacts, the left has them handled. You see in this low turn out evidence that the Islamic religion drives a sense of belonging that is incompatible with belonging to the modern nation state of France. They see evidence of “alienation” driven by guilty doings of our own, how we haven’t made them feel welcome enough, above all those nasty conservatives who think we have a distinct civilization incompatible with Islamic mores. Just get over yourself and hug all those “disenfranchised” Muslims in the seething banlieus, and everyone will lose their false consciousness and their superstitions will wither away! As Obama said poor people “get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them.” Jobs and hugs, that’s the ticket.

    • Peggy says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 4:24 am

      People from the Balkans have seen the true face of Islam hundreds of years ago but nobody would listen to them.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Nov 19, 2015 at 3:12 pm

        And so did Hindus and Sikhs in India over a period of hundreds of years. Something like 80 million Hindus murdered by Muslims.

  3. CJ says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 7:34 am

    Formerly Bangladeshi, now living in France, at a Parisian rally to voice their opposition to islamic terrorist strikes on Paris — and their signs are in English? One could almost get the impression this was a stunt for the Western media.

    • Amia says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 11:50 am

      Gees I’d like to believe that this was the beginning of a Muslim revolution of sorts….next step being bra burning. From all small things, big things grow. But I wouldn’t put it past the western media to take their campaign to these lengths. Damn I don’t trust that lot.

    • MJ says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 4:42 pm

      Omg what a great point, why would it be in English?

      • ? says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 8:27 pm

        For the cameras, Americans need to be “reassured” that this won’t happen in Louisiana.

      • St. Croix says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 8:47 pm

        It seems to me English is more or less a lingua franca amongst Indians, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshi, etc. So don’t let that point throw you.

        Personally, I think these few are probably sincere. And no doubt there are ordinary muslims who don’t support jihad and are more or less secular or at least not devout and don’t know what their own books says. But they are just as cowardly as many non-muslims about sticking their necks out, and getting them chopped off. Hats off to any muslims who go out with placards against the jihadis! They will be vastly vastly outnumbered by the violent majority, as well as the couldn’t-be-arsed faction and the scared sh*tless faction.

      • Peggy says

        Nov 19, 2015 at 4:26 am

        I’m prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.
        Maybe there are 30 Muslims who genuinely reject IS and the reason it is in English could be that they want us to know that.

    • uddin says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 6:20 pm

      English is an international language while french is not. and not the language is important here but theire message that they given

  4. abad says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 7:37 am

    They should’ve stayed at home.

  5. Jay Boo says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 8:16 am

    Yet wash a single Qur’an in pig’s blood and 60 Muslims will gather and give disapproving stares.

    • Jaladhi says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 9:53 am

      No, you mean 6 or 60 million world wide will show up!!

  6. jayell says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 8:20 am

    There was an article in yesterday’s ‘Times’ of London, written by one of these ‘responsible, civilised majority muslims’, in which he described how all his lovely, innocent muslim kinsfolk in the UK felt afraid, threatened, victimised, marginalised by the nasty, vindictive kuffar (my words there, but that was what he meant) in the UK when all these horrid terrorists in Paris weren’t real muslims and in any case they were only reacting to the barabarous Western aggression against muslims in the Middle East, and they were misunderstood, it was all our (westerners’) fault………..

    And then there was another story in the UK press yesterday about this poor young hijab-wearing muslima, tears in her eyes, who was verbally abused on the London Underground by this nasty white male (he probably told that she was a rotter, or something equally unthinkably horrendous) and was rescued by this young English Knight-in-armour (well, sort of, or that’s the way the article made him appear, or perhaps it’s not a wise phrase to use as the original ‘crusaders’ were ‘knights in armour’!), and he told this nasty right-wing white male (well, he MUST have been ‘right wing’ I suppose if he was saying something ‘nasty’ to this poor, down-trodden, misunderstood, innocent, beautiful young muslim lady) and he (apparently) hugged her (UGH!! – no, perthaps he shouldn’t have done that, because all her brothers & male cousins would have tracked his address down, turned up en masse, registered their righteous displeasure on his car and his person for dispoiling their sister) and everything in the garden was lovely and green. I think I’m going to be ill.

    The point is, we’re getting all this rose-tinted garbage in the UK press, and if it was actually fooling anyone into believing all these beautiful fairy stories about all these wickedly-abused and misunderstood Angels of Mecca, we then get this harsh jolt back to reality from Mr Spencer, regretfully illustrating the cold truth about tthe motivation of hese alleged specimens of humanity (sic).

    • Mike Crouch says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 8:54 am

      Nice one!

    • Jaladhi says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 10:01 am

      But this has been Muslim modus operandi from days of Mohammad – always blaming Meccans for victimizing them where as their cruel criminal leader was raiding caravans looting them, killing male tribe members and stealing raping their women..

      Nothing has changed in 1400 years in as much as how they operate. Why give up anything that works with infidels??

      • jayell says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 11:12 am

        The point is that, increasingly, it’s NOT working any more with the ‘infidels’. The news story that I quoted about the ‘tearful muslima’ on the London Underground drew some quite (shall we say?) ‘unsympathetic’ remarks in the comments column. In normal intelligent circles one normally has the sense not to ‘push one’s luck’ too far if one is (as we say in the UK) ‘trying it on’ a bit. People who ‘try it on’ are never viewed very kindly because they are seen as perhaps lacking honesty and being unacceptably exploitive, but they retain some level of respect if they at least make sure that their bleatings aren’t excessive or/and out of step with the generally perceived reality. However, in the UK at least, muslims and their apologists seem to be demonstrating a lamentable lack of self-awareness. They don’t seem to see they’re now coming across as unconvincing and over-playing their non-existent hand. And if they carry on this way, people are going to get very, very fed up with them, and they’re going to make it obvious.

    • silasozzie says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 3:12 pm

      well said

    • Noel Eliscu says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 4:15 pm

      One question: WHAT DO YOU DO TO ELIMINATE CANCER?

      If only less than a hundred showed up to support their country against radical Islam and thousands show up protesting drawings of a child molester and rapist,there seems something wrong with this picture.

      The people that did not show up were they afraid to stand up for their country?
      The people that did not show up supporting these terrorists?

      The people that didn’t show up only 50 percent of the males do not work and the females it is 70 percent so they did not have to lose pay because the government gives them aid.

      I believe in a few Western values : I like music,women i respect and do not own any,it is not all right to have sex with animals or rape,and it is bad to lie to non believers.

      I believe in the worth of an individual , race and religion do not matter.

      When someone tells me that they want to kill me,tax me,enslave me or convert my answer will be swift.
      I am a Vet that was drafted to fight in Vietnam,I was against the war but my parents are from other countries but they assimilated and instilled in me the meaning of service.

      My idea is to deport all of them or kill them as you would with cancer.
      They hate you .
      They don’t add anything to society.
      They bring in new diseases.
      They strain the health industry.
      They lie and take advantage of the Western morals.
      They sue at a drop of a dime-good for lawyers.

      • Raja says

        Nov 19, 2015 at 11:14 am

        Noel Eliscu,

        Good post. May I add something?

        The cheap labor they bring in is very costly for the states. If they are Koran believers, which most of them are you are worth nothing (I don’t know the ratio) just like their women folks. They are generally cheer leaders as most everyone in the mosque have high regard for mujahideen.Even at death, generally suicide they are held at awe. Islam is a complete war and propaganda machine with ugly attitude/ and commands towards dhimmies, their official second class citizens.

        • Noel Eliscu says

          Nov 19, 2015 at 11:30 am

          THANK YOU for added comments but cheap labor? I read somewhere that 50 percent of males work and 75 percent of women do not work.

  7. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 8:43 am

    Moslem Activists, Professional Apologists and Willful Ignorants Kabuki

    A team of Moslem activists receives funding and allied help, then execute a Jihad mass murder operation in the West,
    Many innocents are killed, others are maimed, some are permanently maimed, and all the Infidels are terrorized,
    Fight until there is no God but Allah, some Mujahidin are killed too, others blow themselves up, some escape.

    Hairy Moslem appears on the No Spin Zone, 15 million watch as he explains this is a perversion of Islam,
    Bill expresses “skepticism” about what he says, asks whether Sharia is bad for us, he points out the sentence of stoning,
    Chopped fingers and hands, intolerance, and bravely openly wonders whether Sharia fits in with our proven values.

    The hairy Moslem says that stoning is in the Bible, not the Holy Ko-Ran, and that Sharia applies only to the individual,
    Unaware that individuals comprise the whole, Bill calls for a Million Moslem March against the terrorists among them,
    Agreeing, the hairy Moslem calls for a major international conference including not just Moslems, but Infidel elites too.

    (Repeat cycle)

  8. pdxnag says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 8:44 am

    Who paid for that big sign? Who decided to put only part of Q5:32 on it (noting Jewish reverence for life, without contextual attribution of the whole verse) while wholly omitting Q5:33 calling for slaughter of those who cause mischief?

    • silvergreycat says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 8:52 am

      *Who paid for that big sign?* Not David Wood… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur7Ttz0q0o4

  9. Mike Crouch says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 8:52 am

    Our beloved BBC here in the UK have reported several times since the weekend that ‘Muslims are just as horrified by the attacks in Paris as the rest of us are’. Often this seems just to be a throwaway remark by a reporter, they are just uncritically assuming it to be the case. This proves it is a lie doesn’t it?

    • jayell says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 11:17 am

      “Muslims are just as horrified by the attacks in Paris as the rest of us are”…..

      B*ll*cks!

    • Westman says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 12:02 pm

      Reading the sign, “.. shocked hearts for our innocent brothers and sisters..” I am a little confused.

      When did Muslims start calling Infidels, “brothers and sisters”? The Imams in France certainly do not.

    • Raja says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 11:18 am

      As long as media and politicians lie about Islam, the snake will kill more and more.

  10. el cid says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 8:56 am

    I think the “German – Nazi” analogy is apt here. I believe that the majority of self-identifying Muslims would not like living under ISIL, but they are scared or not motivated to fight them. They are just coasting, like good Germans looking to see the silver lining in government–looking away from the evil, afraid of the future.

    The only thing that can get the Muslims out by the thousands is an anti-Israel rally. Jew Hatred is the religion of Islam and the culture of Europe. They join together in a hate fest. The “Jew” is an illusory evil Jinn. It is a symptom of the sickness of this civilization.

    As one famous Jew said “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.” There is serious denial. They do not see it.

    • Miao Zedong says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 10:34 am

      Christians gather driven by love, marching FOR solidarity. Muslim gather driven by hate, against diversity.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 10:48 am

      I believe that the majority of self-identifying Muslims would not like living under ISIL, but they are scared or not motivated to fight them. They are just coasting…

      But they do pray from a book that command Fight until there is no God but Allah, which is where the analogy falls apart. The Germans in the 1930s had no such book. Thus it stands that the average Moslem is more aligned with the mass murdering Mujahidin than the average German was with Adolph.

  11. revereridesagain says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 9:28 am

    Actions speak louder than taqiyya, especially when they’re fraudulently invoking Q5:32 yet again. Good luck to O’Reilly on getting that million hairy muslims march. It must have taken since Saturday to get that big professional sign made — not in French but in English, as noted above — whereas had there been a sincere outpouring of muslim outrage it would have been better expressed by several thousand of them carrying their own homemade signs. The whistles and allahu akbar-ing at that Turkey-Greece soccer match the other night showed the world a more accurate demonstration of what muslims really think of the Paris massacre.

  12. gravenimage says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 10:28 am

    France: Only 30 Muslims show up for rally against Paris jihad attacks
    ………………………

    How telling *is this*?

    More:

    Also, read their sign. “Revolution for world of humanity is the only solution,” says Imam Hayat. What kind of revolution?
    ………………………

    *Damn* good question. If what Imam Hayat has in mind is Islam, then this demonstration may prove to be even less than the paltry sum of its parts.

  13. Miao Zedong says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 10:31 am

    A little bit of good old racial profiling shows that not a single arab musilm is to be found in the first line of the brave 30 men.

    • jayell says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 11:19 am

      “Brave Arab Muslim”. Oxymoron.

  14. Mo says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 10:39 am

    They forgot the rest of the verse, which clearly says this was instruction to the JEWS. And the next verse is for the Muslims:

    “Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,”

    Maybe they ran out of space. Or money.

    Yeah, that must be what happened.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 10:52 am

      … they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides…

      Well, the French won’t leave, so the Moslems better get to chopping.

  15. Caroline says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 11:09 am

    Let’s be fair here. No doubt, all the other Muslims were hard at work earning money to spport their families and supporting France’s industrial base. Their industry is legendary, after all. No wonder they are known as the ‘Enrichers’.

  16. Rick says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 11:31 am

    They need to work on their protest sign design.

  17. Salahuddin says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    KILLING ANY HUMANS IS KILLING WHOLE MANKIND

    SAVING ANY HUMAN IS SAVING WHOLE MANKIND
    -Holy Quran 5:32

    KILLER TERRORIST SALAFI WAHABI SAITANS NEVER MUSLIM BUT DESTROYER ENEMY OF ISLAM & HUMANITY
    — IMAM HAYAT

    I am so pleased to see at least some people stood up against brutality & anti humanity.
    I saw them a banner with some truth message to World.

    I am agree with all the messages written by IMAM HAYAT, these are so unique message and did not hear them before.
    I wish WORLD SUNNI MOVEMENT & WORLD HUMANITY REVOLUTION PARTY, LIVE LONG LIVE LIFE.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 4:44 pm

      Yeah–I poked around a bit more. Imam Hayat is Hayat Alaihe Rahma. He seems to be the guiding light behind both the World Humanity Revolution Party and the World Sunni Movement, which appear to be out of Bangladesh.

      His basic shtick seems to be that the Saudis have gotten Islam all wrong. They claim–laughably–that Wahabbism was derived from Yezidism. (i.e., that this has nothing to do with Islam). Never mind that orthodox Sunni Muslims–like ISIS–consider Yezidis to be “devil worshippers” and are engaged in genocide against them and use their women and girls as sex slaves.

      He rants about how Sahadat-e-Karbala is the “National Shahid (Martyr) Day of the Whole Muslim Nation”. The events at Karbala–where fourth Caliph Ali was killed–is the beginning of the Sunni/Shia split.

      Reverence for this is usually a Shi’ite thing–but I have heard that there are a handful of Sunnis who subscribe to this, as well. I imagine that this is what this lot are all about. Imam Hayat also seems to claim to be a direct descendant of Ali–again, usually a Shia thing.

      So–what do these Mohammedans actually believe when it comes to violent Jihad? It’s hard to tell.

      But they *do* hate Israel for trying to survive–they held a rally in the UK with a sign reading “Stop Israel Genocide Save Humanity”.

      So if nothing else, they share sickening hatred of Jews and Yezidis with other Muslims. Here’s one of their sites:

      https://twitter.com/SunniAndolon

      From what I have found, this seems to be both a tiny splinter group which has no wider influence *and* one that shares at least some of the ugly traits of their more orthodox coreligionists.

      If I had to guess, I would assume that their main problem with the Jihad attacks against Paris is that they were pulled off by the “wrong” sect of Islam.

      • uddin says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 6:59 pm

        good effort of observation indeed, i am sorry dear, i think you need more observation on World Sunni Movement and World Revolution Party and Imam Hayat Alaihe Rahma, but i appreciate your observaion, your effort.

        as you mentioned ”it seems to claim to be a direct descendant of Ali–again, usually a Shia thing.”
        not really, let me explain you:
        actually in every century there comes an Imam the surviver the reviver the rescuer, it will continue till Imam Mahadi Alaihis Salam.

        and Israel yezidis issue :
        its not about israel nor about jewsh. its about Humanity, jewsh is not being hated but those who are anti humanitarian, whoever commits an anti humanitarian act doesnt matter a jewsh or muslim he or she is enemy of humantiy. as you have seen they have protested against paris attack even that was commited by those who claims to be muslim.

        and innocent is innocent, it does not matter if he or she is yezidis or jewsh or christian or atheist. every human has his/her right to breath the life that has been honoured to him/her.

      • Mazo says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 9:14 pm

        Without even looking this up, I can predict cravenmirage is being a total retard or is deliberately lying, mixing up the Ummayad ruler Yazid bin Mu’awiyah with the Yazidi religion.

        Yazid is a name in Arabic, moron. Yazid bin Mu’awiyah fought against Hussayn bin Ali at the Battle of Karbala.

        Cravenmirage also falsely claims that its a “Shia thing” to claim descent from Ali.

        Cravenmirage, Ali is the fourth Caliph in Sunni Islam and millions of Sunni Sadah (Sayyid) trace their ancestry back to him.

        Ali, Hassan, Hussayn, are all revered by Sunnis.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 4:55 pm

      By the way, another thing that makes it likely that this group actually condones violent Jihad under the “right” conditions is the username of the sycophantic follower, above, “Salahuddin”.

      Salahuddin, is, of course, a variant spelling of “Saladin”. Saladin not only murdered and enslaved Infidels, but also killed off the local Shi’ite leader in yet another of Islam’s vicious internecine power struggles.

      • Mazo says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 9:15 pm

        No idiot, Salahuddin waited until the Fatimid Caliph passed away due to natural causes before dismantling the Fatimid state and founding the Ayyubid dynasty.

      • Imam Hayat says

        Nov 19, 2015 at 9:02 am

        -Thanks for your discussion but here some grave mistake & misunderstanding, one of which is that the yazidism against which we are warning about as a source of soudi tribal tyrant Wahabism & distorter of Islam killer salafi evils, is not same yazidi religious cult of Iraq but quite different matter. The cursed Yazid about whom we are protesting is son of Muabia who killed our beloved holy Imam Hussain (may Allah pleased on him), the great holy grandson of our beloved holy Rasul (source of peace & blessings). Cursed Yazid is founder of tribalism, tyranism, distorter of Islam, who seized power by force & mass murder,the soudi wahabism & terrorist salafism is belongs to Yazid & his ism in faith & in system of tyranism. Shiaism show respect to our Imam externally but they also follow system of Yazidi tyranism, our Imam sacrificed his life for every humans right, freedom & authority on state that state & world is belongs to all human everyone, never be sectarian,tribal communal nor should be in name of any single religion, nation or class but for all based on only humanity, both wahabism & shiaism are opposite to the teachings of real Islam given by holy Rasul (source of peace & blessings) & showed by great holy Imam Hussain. It’s a serious misconception that observing martyrdom of karbala is a sole subject of Shia or shia means it but never, it’s not a sectarian subject but fundamental subject of all Muslim & all of humanity who believe in human right & who is against anti humanity sectarian tyrant state & world. There’s another mistake that we are anti Semitic anti jews but not never, as a human brother we love & respect every person but our believe is that state & world is for all, sectarian politics,political parties & state for any single religion, nation,tribe ,race is anti religion & anti humanity from which derives all of terrorism,tyranism & oppression. We believe its our imanic & basic humanitarian obligation that we should condemn all anti humanity criminal activities conducting from any side,any sect,any state or in any name neutrally, only protest or condemnation is not way out, we have to go to the root & causes of all problems to make the world peaceful, we believe revolution for a world of humanity is the only solution, where world is for all, everyone is owner of his own life ,nothing is above him, everything is for him, no power can snatch it or any right or kill him, no power above human except his creator kind Allah.thanks.-

        • Ziaul says

          Nov 19, 2015 at 5:17 pm

          Imam Hayat is the blessing for whole mankind that I strongly believe from my heart and souls and my heartiest request please come and join with Humanity Revolution party specially for getting back every human rights and freedom

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 3:19 pm

      …. which is follwed by Sura 5.33-34:

      The punishments of those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and strive to spread disorder in the land are to execute them in an exemplary way or to crucify them or to amputate their hands and feet from opposite sides or to banish them from the land. Such is their disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom save those who repent before you overpower them; you should know that Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Ever Merciful. (5:33-34)

      So, only Muslims qualify as mankind.

    • uddin says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 6:58 pm

      i would say, those thirty people have represented the Real Islam that day. i love those slogans

    • uddin says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 7:03 pm

      unelss we confirm an Humanitarian World, the destructive situation of Humanity will not find a way of ease. World Humanity Revolution Party seems to be the one what can save the Humanity.

  18. Plutarchus says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 2:07 pm

    HOW MANY OF THE 30

    are jihadists blending in?

    http://www.apollospeaks.com

  19. bruceph says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    To me, Resistance through Demonstration is false. Turning from Islam altogether is the only useful resistance. Then a full frontal assault to follow. Intellectually, philosophically, spirituality, religiously, biographically, historically, artistically, politically and most importantly, physically.

  20. Jj says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    Does anyone have a link that describes how many French Muslims protested the Charlie Hebdo cartoons? I would like to post this with an apples to apples comparison since I’m sure even if I post it comparing to the London Charlie Hebdo protests apologists are likely to complain it isn’t a fair comparison. I tried to google but only found references to a protest in France but no numbers. Thanks!

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 5:03 pm

      I couldn’t find any numbers on Muslims in France protesting the Charlie Hebdo massacre–but La Figaro *did* report on 54 people in France, who had publicly supported the attack on Charlie Hebdo being arrested as “apologists for terrorism”. Twelve of them were later sentenced to several months in jail.

      I think we can safely assume most of these unidentified people were Muslim.

  21. Ash says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    I am so pleased to see that at least some people talking about the truth and humanity but having said that, I’ve also seen some of the comments where people gave their opinion about those 30 people and about Islam which is illogical, unjustified and disappointing,,,,,,
    I am a Muslim and I am proud to being a Muslim but “” I AM NOT A TERRORIST AND I DON’T BELIEVE IN ANY SORT OF TERRORISM, EXTREMISM AND I DON’T SUPPORT THEM ,,,,, I don’t have any problem calling others “”Brothers’ and “Sisters”” and it really doesn’t matter which Religion they are belongs to, what they are believe in and I don’t care if He/She doesn’t believe in any religion at all. I believe “” The best Identity of people is,, They are HUMAN BEING””””
    They are 1.57 Billion Muslim in all over world… I am asking all of you “” Is every muslims are terrorist?”’
    There are only thousands of them who are terrorist and support the terrorism which is less than 1%(DOUBTABLE IF TERRORISTS BELONGS TO ANY RELIGION) and most of the muslims who don’t even know what terrorism is… rest of the muslims doesn’t have any connection with the terrorism,, they are innocent and THEY SHOULDN’T BE BLAMED FOR NOTHING… I think those 30 people are right… yes we need “”HUMANITY REVOLUTION””” SALUTE TO THEM WHO STANDS FOR THE RIGHT AND ANTI TERRORISM…

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 5:07 pm

      What you don’t acknowledge is that violent Jihad is waged in the name of Islam, and on the basis of the Qur’an and Hadith, *and* on the model of the “Prophet” you revere.

      Another thing: if you are sincere, why aren’t you taking this up with your violent coreligionists, rather than the decent Infidels here?

      • Ash says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 8:17 pm

        As I mentioned before, there is nothing to do with ISLAM, If they are violent, It’s because of their personal purpose. “” The is no where written in QURAN an HADITH that anybody allowed to killing any innocent people..

        I also mentioned that those terrorists doesn’t belongs to ISLAM or any other religion… Terrorism is not allowed in ISLAM or other religions…..
        And if there were environment to talk with them,,, then that horrific attack won’t be happened in PARIS….
        Everybody rising up their voice against that horrific attack and other occurrences, And I am also rising my voice not because of”” I am muslim””” I believe before being a Muslim, I am a human being,,, And this what ISLAM teaches me… ISLAM Teaches me PEACE,,, not to being violent… And I think this just the beginning, it’s not very far that all the Muslims Brothers and Sisters will be risen their voice for the PEACE and HUMANITY….
        And again I emphasis “”YES””” we need “” HUMANITY REVOLUTION””

    • ? says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 7:32 pm

      Or your fictional child molesting thug of a “prophet” who raped women, murdered innocent people, and wrote a book that tells its followers to hate Jews, kefirs, and apostates, and do all the things he did and worse. So may I ask you a question Ash? Were all Nazis evil? There were actually Jewish and Catholic Nazis who opposed Hitlers regime and final solution (encouraged by a Muslim I might add) but do we excuse what the Nazis did because of them? No. We don’t. In this case, it is quite clear that Muslims don’t care about putting down terrorists and ending terrorism. Therefore if YOU are not part of the solution YOU are the problem.

      • Ash says

        Nov 19, 2015 at 2:30 pm

        Dear Mr/Miss (? says)
        I really have no Idea, what solution YOU talking about… We all should work together to condemn those sort of horrific attacks in PARIS and all over the world…
        For your kind information I am always ever ready to be a part of the solution,,, and This is really wrong idea That MUSLIMS don’t care about terrorism or ending terrorism,,, I do care about terrorism and I want “”that problem (terrorism) should be erased from the world my friends and family and others muslims also hate those evils ….
        And the “”Nazis and HITLER”” which religion he’s belongs to??? where did you got that information””” Nazis and the HITLER was inspired by the MUSLIM””” HITLER never had any connection with MUSLIMS and ISLAM,,, ISALM always against killing innocent people….
        Which “”PROPHET””” you are talking about?? If you think ISIS leader is prophet then, I would’ve say”” YOU don’t have any idea about ISLAM and MUSLIMS…
        There is no such a prophet in Islam never been like as you said….
        Some question to you…. who invent those terrorists, who funding them?? who gave them armes?

        For your kind information Al-qaeda, Taleban,, were invent by the america to fight against Russia. At first america raised them, funding them, and gave them armes and gave them military training … here is the link…(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJLR1LhxiN0)
        And now westerns saying the are terrorist?? why??by
        And now the ISIS is funding by SAUDI ARABIA and ISRAEL who are the most reliable and loyal allies in middle east. So directly or indirectly The westerns are responsible to invent those terrorists groups… Now I am asking you,, most of the westerns either Christian or jews etc… Are the westerns are terrorists???? here is the link…( http://anonhq.com/putin-exposes-40-countries-that-finance-isis/ )
        The answer is definitely NO…. There is no connection between terrorism and christianity or Islam or any other religion,,,,,
        As I mentioned before Those terrorists doesn’t belongs to ISLAM neither they are MUSLIMS…
        Islam doesn’t allow killing innocent people..
        So 30 people risen up their voice agains terrorism,, more will come forward,, this is just the beginning….. ( we (muslim) are not the problem,,, The problem is in all your mind, so please change it.)

        note: Let’s work together to erase terrorism from the world,,, Most of Muslims are always been there to help…. Please don’t mixed up terrorism with ISLAM,,,, Islam teaches us peace and humanity…

        • ? says

          Nov 20, 2015 at 1:42 am

          Ash,

          I am referring to the solution to the problem that we have here today: terrorism.
          Before I continue, I have my beliefs and you have yours. I am glad that you and your friends aren’t out killing and raping but the thing that worries me is the apparent lack of people like you who are “against terrorism”.

          Now then, first of all who is committing all these acts of terrorism? Currently it is ISIS and affiliates. Said groups come from Muslim backgrounds and families, are taught in the ways of the Koran and Muhammad, and regularly attend services at the local mosques. These groups somehow come to the conclusion that what they do is “the will of Allah“ and quote the scriptures they know so well.

          Now then if they weren’t Muslims then logically it should be easy to find terrorists because they are the only ones who believe in violence and oppression right? But it’s not, why is that? Therefore the only conclusions that can be drawn from this is that Muslims don’t care or the terrorists have some support in the Muslim community. First problem.

          Hitler and the nazi party were mostly atheists I believe however, some were Catholic (notably https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_von_Stauffenberg) and there were some Jewish soldiers who were in denial of their ancestry. (http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/jewishlife/JewishSoldiersMark.htm)

          “No connection to Muslims” well then please explain this picture
          https://themuslimissue.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/hitler-admires-prophet-muhammad-and-islam.jpg?w=610
          And this one…
          https://windsorcoactforamerica.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/hitler-a-muslim.jpg
          And this one…
          http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EXeDSCOafDM/UatnID8MrYI/AAAAAAAAL58/Tc4B7oQtC_g/s1600/hitler+and+the+mufti+al+husseini.jpg
          Can you justify this? Granted this is an example of a non Muslim committing acts of terrorism but he had connections to Islam.

          And I was referring to the so called prophet Muhammad. I do not wish to have a religious argument, but I will say this almost every religion and social group in the educated rational world (you included I pray) can agree that child marriages, intercourse with a child (male and female), slavery, financial extortion of minorities, and the malevolent references of hate towards kefirs and Jews is wrong. Yet this is in the Koran is it not? Also somehow I don’t see how calling us “apes” “pigs” and other derogatory descriptions is peaceful.

          Yes. True, they did and they left thinking that the Muslim rebels could keep it in their pants and be civil. Apparently they couldn’t and the forerunners of religious terrorism were born. And in case you haven’t noticed those same Muslims claimed responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. Kind of like now.

          That is an incorrect equation. The people (“most westerners”) have absolutely no control over the government agencies like the CIA Muslims in the Middle East however do have control its their children, wives, and resources that they allow the terrorists to use abuse and hide behind. If they all banded together against the terrorists or at the very least stopped supporting them ISIS and affiliates would have nowhere to go or hide.

          “No link?” Eh? Maybe that’s why all of these terrorists are all professing to be Muslims, quoting scriptures, and “punishing” criminals as the Koran mandates.

          I read that scripture, I seem to hear it quoted a lot, in part and out of context.

          “Innocent people” define innocent because such a term is open to many interpretations especially in countries where people can be stoned and beheaded for “mocking their husbands” “apostasy” or “making mischief”.

          Thirty. Thirty showed up in a city that has over a million. You know what the South Koreans did after the Virginia Tech shootings? South Korean leaders proposed that Koreans take a 32 day fast–one day for each victim to demonstrate their disapproval of the act committed by one of their own. On this site alone we have seen absolute disrespect towards the victims of the Paris attacks by actual Muslims not terrorists, Muslims.

          I am not discrediting he acts of these 30 men it took bravery to go out there. What I am critical and cynical about is the rest of the community who didn’t participate. They had a grand opportunity to to demonstrate the sentiments you’re trying to convince me of and they blew it.

          Talk is cheap. So forgive me if I say I don’t believe in distant sincerity– typing #prayforparis and #notallmuslims from behind the safety of a keyboard. I will change my mind until I see action, until I see thousands of Muslims in the streets denouncing terrorism, Muslim counter terror groups cracking down on rotten imams, and the fair treatment of women, children, and non believers in the Middle East. Until this happens words of peace have fallen on deaf ears. I pray that people like you win out in the end, and yes let’s work to end terrorism but let’s start at the root of the problem: Islam and the people who exploit its flaws. Wise men acknowledge that every religion has flaws, (yes flaws some bad and some fixable) wiser men identify the problem and try to fix it.

          ?

          This is the reaping 666

  22. Semeru says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    Mean while in the UK

    Hundreds of Muslim groups have taken out an advert condemning the Paris terror attacks and pledging allegiance to ‘the values of pluralism and tolerance’.
    A message placed in the national Press today criticised the ‘barbaric acts’ of the bombers and gunmen who murdered 129 people in the French capital last week.
    It also praised a security guard who was working at the Stade de France at the time of the assault and is believed to be a Muslim, saying that ‘brave individuals’ like him should be seen as the true representatives of Islam……………….
    A number of Muslims were involved in the efforts to defend the public against the ISIS-inspired attackers, including a stadium guard named Zouheir and a heroic bartender called Safer.

    We’ve all seen video of the France vs. Germany soccer game when the sound of an explosion can be heard causing the players to look at each other in curiosity and confusion. That explosion took place OUTSIDE the Stade de France. It was supposed to take place INSIDE and potentially kill hundreds of people including French President Francois Hollande. But it didn’t.
    It didn’t because a security guard detected the bomber’s vest and confronted him. The bomber then detonated his vest OUTSIDE the stadium. Everyone INSIDE was safe.
    That security guard who saved so many hundreds, if not thousands of people, including the President of France himself, has been completely ignored and only his first name has been reported only a handful of times.
    His name is Zouheir. He is a Muslim.
    On 15 November 2015, Twitter user @simplyboca was one of the people who shared the above-reproduced rumor about the Stade de France attack. That rumor centered upon a security guard known only by his first name (Zouheir), and what were described as heroic actions in sparing hundreds of soccer fans from impending bomb detonations. In some versions of the tale, Zouheir sacrificed his life to save numerous spectators present at the sporting event: 

    What Happened

    The missive wasn’t attributed to any one writer, and it circulated via social media sites such as Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit. As for Zouheir, the sum of what’s known about him appeared to stem from a 15 November 2015 Wall Street Journal (WSJ) article titled “Paris Attacks: Suicide Bomber Was Blocked from Entering Stade de France.” What looks to be the initial (and sole original) account of Zouheir’s involvement with the incident was primarily confined to the first few paragraphs of that piece:
    At least one of the attackers outside France’s national soccer stadium had a ticket to the game and attempted to enter the 80,000-person venue, according to a Stade de France security guard who was on duty and French police.
    The guard — who asked to be identified only by his first name, Zouheir — said the attacker was discovered wearing an explosives vest when he was frisked at the entrance to the stadium about 15 minutes into the game. France was playing an exhibition against Germany inside.
    While attempting to back away from security, Zouheir said, the attacker detonated the vest, which was loaded with explosives and bolts, according to Paris prosecutor François Molins. Zouheir, who was stationed by the players’ tunnel, said he was briefed on the sequence by the security frisking team at the gate.
    A police officer confirmed the sequence, adding that police suspect the attacker aimed to detonate his vest inside the stadium in order to provoke a deadly stampede.
    The excerpted portion made no reference to Zouheir’s religion or nationality, nor did it ostensibly describe anything more than his reporting others’ interaction with the attacker as part of the functions that are standard for security guards. According to Zouheir, the suspect was found to be in possession of an explosive device, and when security discovered the vest, the individual then detonated it while backing away. No particular unique act on the part of Zouheir or any other member of the stadium’s security staff was potentially preventive above and beyond the frisking, and the time elapsed between discovery of the bomb and its detonation appeared too short to allow for any intervention.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 5:11 pm

      Zouheir, who was stationed by the players’ tunnel, said he was briefed on the sequence by the security frisking team at the gate.
      ……………………….

      Thanks for posting this, Semeru.

      In other words, Zouheir wasn’t even at the gate, and had nothing to do with stopping the suicide bomber.

  23. Angemon says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    30, eh? That many? And bearing signs in English?

    Hmmmm…………

    • Ash says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 8:43 pm

      What to do with english….. English is universal language anybody knows english more or less and if they are from Bangladesh and if they were written BENGALI,,, would understand what they are trying to say?? and,,,,,,and What’s wrong if they are only 30,,,
      Brother, we should welcome them then one day it will be 300 and then 30 thousands and after millions number of people will join to against terrorism… We cannot get rid of from the terrorism over night,,,, All the mankind should work together.. What I think is everybody should be welcomed who are against terrorism and those horrific terror attack.. it shouldn’t be matter what Religion they are belongs to and how many are they…

  24. uddin says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 6:17 pm

    these 30 muslim brothers and sisters have represented the Real Islam. those terrrorist were wahabism. wahabism is source of terrorism,

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 3:23 pm

      We know the real islam. It has been on display for 1,400 years as an orgy of bloodshed and conquest, only limited by the limitations of the weaponry of the day for the vast bulk of that period. Heaven help us if they had access to AK47s back in the 8th Century or the 16th Century.

  25. ? says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 7:18 pm

    First off they’re from Bangladesh and moved to France carrying an English banner not trying to insult intelligence here but do they even know what they’re there for? Do they know what the banner they cary says? All this says to me is that Muslims don’t give a dime.

    Second, wow 30 so many, so impressive the level of sympathy shown by so called fellow nationals. You know one would expect it to look like a French version of the Boston aftermath. In a place with such a large Muslim population who are apparently so against terrorism and support their OWN country you think they would put a little more effort. You know this would have been a golden opportunity to shut up cynics like myself who don’t believe that Muslims even have a conscience anymore but yet again I only find more evidence that they don’t care.

  26. davej says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 8:29 pm

    wow, 30 out of 1.5 billion

    Behold the moderates, the rest were celebrating

  27. mortimer says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 8:46 pm

    Khalil Merroun said: “We need to wage a jihad against the jihad”.

    So which jihad is a ‘good’ jihad? Which jihad is a ‘bad’ jihad?

    Reliance of the Traveller, Book O, Chapter 9, Section 8.
    O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad
    The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High).

    ISIS is doing the above. So why would any Muslim not want to implement Sharia law?

    • Ami says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 9:04 pm

      They themselves have been brainwashed. Decades, centuries even, of manipulation and bullying. They had no revisions made of their Koran like the Christians and Jews so the cycle continues.

  28. Semeru says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    Responding to ? who wrote

    First off they’re from Bangladesh and moved to France carrying an English banner not trying to insult intelligence here but do they even know what they’re there for? Do they know what the banner they cary says? All this says to me is that Muslims don’t give a dime

    The chances are more than good that they do know what was written on the banner

    Languages
    Main article: Languages of Bangladesh
    More than 98% of Bangladeshis speak Bengali as their native language, which is also the official language.[152][153] English is also used as a second language among the middle and upper classes and is also widely used in higher education and the legal system.[154] Historically, laws were written in English and were not translated into Bengali until 1987, when the procedure was reversed. Bangladesh’s Constitution and all laws are now in both English and Bengali

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh#Languages

    • ? says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 12:17 am

      That explains the languages part but what about the lack of conscience from the other Muslims? Are Asian Muslims the only ones who still have compassion or something?

  29. deogratius says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 1:11 am

    30 out of 30 million. It means one in ten thousand showed up.

  30. Karen says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 1:20 am

    “in Boston, about 25 Muslims rallied against “misperceptions” that Islam was violent. About the same number showed up in June 2013 at a progressive Muslim rally in Toronto to claim that their religion had been “hijacked.”

    I’m not even sure those two should go in the anti-terror column, but let’s be generous. That’s 140 people among the global Muslim population, for a participation rate in such rallies of 0.000009%.

    “Thank you” to these 140, but overall, yes, underwhelming and disturbing.

  31. Baucent says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 3:00 am

    ‘About five percent of Muslims support the terrorists. The rest of them need to speak out. I wish more Muslims would join us here.

    Isn’t this the point about muslim refugee communities everywhere. The majority, if they disapprove of Jihadist attacks are either too scared to voice opposition to the 5%, or they actually secretly admire and approve of the Jihadists. The fact that thousands of “muslims against terrorism” cannot be found marching in the streets, pretty much confirms this to be true. With that in mind, letting in muslim “Syrian” refugees with no papers is madness. Before long the sleeper cell Jihadi’s will rule the refugee communities, while they prepare their attacks.

    • David says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 7:49 am

      Baucent, I totally agree with you. So far, I have not seem any ‘We are against violence.’ that leaves red flag alert in the back of the mind to not trust the present Muslims in that country..

  32. CernyPes says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 4:20 am

    The rally condemning the violence in Paris is laudable but falls far short of the mark. What is desperately needed is a fatwa issued by a grand mufti condemning such violene and decreeing any Muslim who takes part is condemned to the eternal fires of Hell. Who will be the first to issue such a fatwa? Take your pick. The grand mufti of Jerusalem, Eqypt, Syria, Saudia Arabia, Palestine, Mecca, Jordan, Russia, Australia? Anything less than this is hypocrisy. -CernyPes

    • Nora says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 10:44 pm

      THEY ARE ALL SILENTLY CELBRATING ALL THE EVENTS
      HOWEVER, THE WORLD UP IN ARMS IMORTING MORE BARBARIANS.
      WHERE WILL THIS STOP.

      AMERICANS GET UP AND TAKE MATTERS IN YOUR HANDS, OTHERWISE, YOU WILL HAVE NO SAFE PLACE TO HIDE OR ELSE YOU WILL HAVE TO GO TO GREENLAND.

      • YWESTER says

        Nov 24, 2015 at 4:51 am

        GREENLAND IS OK , BUT IT IS TO BE ENOUGH TO MOVE JUST BEHIND THE POLAR CIRCLE.ONLY. WHY? , IN THE HOLLY MONTH OF RAMADAN OFMUSLIMS, LASTING ONE MONTHB MUSLIMS ARE FASTING OVER THE DAYTIMES, i,e, THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EAT OR DRINK ANYTHING FROM THE SUNBREAK UP TO THE SUNSET, EACH DAY DURING THEUR WHOLE RAMADAN FEAST. AS IN OUR SUMMER THE DAYTIMES BEHND THE POLAR CIRCLE LASTS A HALF OF THE YEAR NO MUSLIM IS ABLE TO SURVIED THERE, IF HE IS REALY THE TRUE ONE.
        NEVERTHELESS THE MUSLIM RAMADAN, IS A MOVEABLE HOLIDAY THAT MOVES STEADILY ROUND THE CALENDER, (AS THE STUPID MUSLIMS SET THEIR YEAR TIME SHORTER AS IT DE FACTO IT EXISTS) . THEREFORE IF THE MUSLIM RAMADAN FALLS IN THE PERIOD OF OUR WINTER TIME, THAM THE SAFE TERRITORY FOR US IN THIS CASE IS ONLY ANTARCTICA, SURE AND VICE VERSA THINK ABOUT IT.

  33. Eridan says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 8:52 am

    Muslims often said : But Christians did atrocities too! why are you looking only at us ?

    My answer:

    Christians became violent when they went away from their founding text (the New Testament)

    Muslims become violent when they come closer to their founding texts (qur’an and hadith)

  34. CernyPes says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 11:53 am

    Eridan says
    November 19, 2015 at 8:52 am
    Muslims often said : But Christians did atrocities too! why are you looking only at us ?

    My answer: Death toll not even close. Islam Jihadist wars from 632 AD to end of 18th century 270 million dead. (Source: Bill Warner Islam). Crusades and Inquisition 11th century to 18th century 2 million. Plus Crusades only lasted 200 years starting in 1052 AD which were defensive wars agains Muslim occupation of the Holy Land. Furthermore, Crusades ended. Islam Jihadist wars and taking of sex slaves still current.
    All conforming to the behaviour of Muhammad, the supreme role model. – CernyPes

  35. bullfrogger says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    You can bet those protesters have been marked and will be treated as blasphemers . Unless large numbers show at these rallies , those that do attend face harsh treatment from within . I just wonder if they know their own holy book . I think not .

  36. Vox populi says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 5:35 pm

    To be honest? At least there were 30. This just leaves 1.2 bilion more out, but is a surely a start. Don’t be so negative: is going to take time, but is surely a step in the right direction …

  37. Philippe Buc says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 7:01 am

    I am sorry, but this was not an organized occasion, organized by institutions or groups. It was spontaneous. And it was also forbidden for security reasons to gather in public places. The police tried to shoo away those who came spontaneously. So 30 Muslims, but likely not too many non-Muslims either.

    No friend of Jihad, and no friend of Wahabi Islam, but please check your facts and your logic.

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/11/14/01016-20151114ARTFIG00174-rassemblement-spontane-sur-la-place-de-la-republique-malgre-l-interdiction.php

    • Robert Spencer says

      Nov 20, 2015 at 7:20 am

      Spontaneous, but ready with printed banners. It seems as if some people will believe anything.

      • Philippe Buc says

        Nov 20, 2015 at 8:16 am

        One prints banners easily nowadays. And I did not say that no one could come within a group. Just that the whole gathering was not centrally organized (and forbidden). Thus the number of non-Muslims was likely as well not large.

        This is not to say that I do not recall demonstrations of joy after 11.09.2001, or Muslim approval for the Charlie massacre. Just that there are good facts and bad facts, good evidence and bad evidence. This evidence is incomplete, and the burden of the mathematical proof (attendance ratio) is on the journalist.

    • Simone says

      Nov 20, 2015 at 12:28 pm

      So, we understand isis do not represent Islam, but they are a problem from within Islam. And now more and more people want to understand where, how, why.
      And I’m trying to understand as well!
      Does Saudi Arabia represent Islam?

      • Philippe Buc says

        Nov 21, 2015 at 10:39 am

        We have changed topic, but I will answer.

        I am a professional historian of religious violence.

        – God may have an answer as to whether ISIS members are Muslims; if He is Islam´s God, it is likely that he will say no. But this cannot be a historian´s approach.
        – Muslim ´ulama´ will in the main say that ISIS is not Muslim. While this is a factor in a historian´s reconstruction of reality (that there is this disagreement), it is not the whole picture.
        – If ISIS members say that they are Muslims, and sympathizers say they are Muslims, as a historical phenomenon the movement is Muslim. Which modern historian will say that the crusaders were not Christians? Then ISIS has to be analyzed taking seriously its Muslim components, just as the crusades have to be analyzed taking seriously their Catholic content..

  38. naim uddin says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 1:20 pm

    What Revolution by

    .Imam Hayat
    Revolution means for humanity based state constitution. ..state is for all ..No single community snatch the citizens right
    .citizens human..
    Being
    .No specific identity ..based religion , faith culture costumes ..norms Only …Humanitarian ..based ..state system can give solution ..such fractions situation…if We understand that any in the global is running single based party that’s why state rule made their will….Rest of the citizens deprivation of one’s right…We can’t make group or political group to.push others right or Globaly we can make peacful situation if we ger rid from jealousy act ..Some countries can destroy if they want …or ethnic cleansing action or laws or power create anger , hatrade all terrorist act they can take their own …hands or engazed any terrorist if you deprive their stae right citezens dignity or oppurtunity ..So Humanitarian based state rule regulation only solution to remove from such turmoil heinous situation….Remind You do everything..
    But i can’t…this is wise act…r

  39. Bob says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 4:01 pm

    “But given a chance to show how Muslims overwhelmingly reject “extremism,” only a handful show up.”

    I am sorry Robert, but you cannot possibly be this obtuse. You are a scholar, author, and an authority of sorts, yet this is your statement?

    According to your logic, every white 22 year old should have also shown up to the school shootings in California to announce disgust. There are millions of 20-something-year-old males in California, but I bet only a few hundred showed up to show their disgust. Clearly white-males in their 20’s support school shootings because not enough showed up to a unorganized, spontaneous event.

    Robert, please tell me this is satire, because if it is not, your grip on reality has officially been lost.

    Next time you post something, please put some actual thought into the content. I understand the sentiment that is behind this “article” but your execution is so poor is laughable.

    Come on pal, you can do better.

    • ? says

      Nov 20, 2015 at 5:31 pm

      Please tell me you’re using satire, that analogy was at best, white male shooters aren’t in organized groups going around making trouble and bringing shame on their shared religion. And unlike Muslims white males have gathered together to show their support for the victims. What Mr. Spencer is saying is that Muslims have yet to do this, seriously and consistently. And if you can’t see that then your grip on reality has been lost. If you are not going to be part of the solution then you’re part of the problem.

      YOU can do better.

      This is the reaping 666

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