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German nightclub refuses migrants to protect women from harassment

Nov 11, 2015 6:42 pm By Robert Spencer

“It was never an issue for us what religion, background or skin colour guests have. Everyone comes in as long as he respects a few basic, self-evident rules,” said the club. They’re aware, however, that certain men tend to see women who are unveiled and non-Muslim as “uncovered meat,” to be taken at will. Watch for a chorus of charges of “Islamophobia.”

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“German Nightclub Refuses Refugees Entry to Protect Women From Harassment,” Sputnik News, November 11, 2015 (thanks to C. Cantoni):

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — On Friday, the owner of the Bucklyn club in the town of Bad Tolz in Bavaria, told his bouncers not to let a group of young male asylum seekers inside, the news outlet reported.

The club workers were then accused of being racist and called “Nazi pigs” by some guests of the club, the media reported, citing the club’s Facebook statement.

“It was never an issue for us what religion, background or skin colour guests have. Everyone comes in as long as he respects a few basic, self-evident rules,” the club said in the statement, cited by the media.

According to the club’s statement, when refugees began to arrive in Bad Tolz in early 2015, the club allowed them in, but male asylum seekers began harassing women in the establishment, leading to the club potentially losing regular clients.

Germany is one of the most popular destinations for migrants in Europe and is expected to register some 800,000 asylum applications by the end of the year, according to official estimates.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151111/1029928809/german-nighclub-entry-harassment.html#ixzz3rEGSp0zg

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  1. Beagle says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    800,000… in… one… 1!… year…

    If merely one percent are jihadists — that’s wildly optimistic — Germany is admitting a combat brigade / division sized enemy force, by choice, in one year.

    • ? says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 7:02 pm

      And the scary thing is the 98-99% will likely protect and hide the ones who left their explosive vest at the dry cleaners. No snitchin’ in the ghetto? Same thing here coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

      • quotha raven says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 3:19 am

        One could call it the writing on the wall, but it won’t do much to educate those with their heads buried in the sand…

        Cheers!

        qr

        • Scott M says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 3:32 am

          Yes that’s right! But as we well know – the imbeciles that have their heads in the sand – stick their heads up every now and then to tell us we are ‘bigots’ , ‘racists’ and ‘alarmists’.

          At least with their own heads in the sand – heads down – arse up – they are in an excellent position to be buggered by muslims!

        • particolor says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 3:44 am

          They wont wake up when they’ve got no head to bury in the sand either !!

        • Dan says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 8:43 am

          Muslimes wouldn’t understand the “Writing on the Wall” reference anyway, it being of Biblical reference.

          Mind you, for how anti Christian the world is, most of Europe wouldn’t understand the reference either.

        • Dr. Divinity says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 6:22 pm

          Muslims in nightclubs……..WWMD (What would Muhammad do)

      • goog says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 8:36 pm

        Well said- humorous but factual at the same time- like Bill Maher

    • Roger says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 8:18 pm

      800 000 is a mere drop in the ocean, last month the German authorities announced that they were expecting 5 million refugees to settle in Germany in the next 3 years.

      Cultural and national suicide.

      • Nan says

        Nov 11, 2015 at 9:20 pm

        Merkel is trying to turn off the tap and have the invaders processed at the first country of invasion. That won’t fly; they want to the generous German benefits.

        • Michael Copeland says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 6:54 am

          It was Merkel who turned the tap on in the first place – by highhandedly and unconstitutionally overriding the Schengen registration requirements.
          She has to be made to resign.

        • Bantheburka says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 11:28 am

          Muslim refugees clubbing, where did they get the money to go clubbing, and why are they around alcohol and women uncovered…..i smell trouble coming!

      • mortimer says

        Nov 11, 2015 at 9:36 pm

        My estimate is that one out 7,000 Muslims is a true terrorist. That would make about 114 true terrorists in a population of 800,000 migrants. If it is twice that much, it would be about 230 true terrorists in a population of 800,000 migrants.

        I believe that is a credible ballpark figure of how many there actually are. If they combine together, they will cause a GREAT DEAL of mayhem, damage and many murders in Germany.

        Merkel will be 100% to blame for her miscalculation.

        • Peter Charles says

          Nov 11, 2015 at 9:58 pm

          What are you basing your stats on? A scientific wild ass guess?

        • Angry Aussie says

          Nov 11, 2015 at 11:32 pm

          Yes, I am interested in these stats too. If I take my own credible figures and chat with 20 of my own amuslim friends, there’s one who doesn’t believe in violent jihad or a caliphate. In my instance my stats are very credible and far more frightening. Still very true. Aee they representative of all followers of Islam? Unlikely.

        • Scott M says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 3:38 am

          Merkel has unleashed hell. Its all her own doing. Unbelievable imbecile.

        • Paul says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 7:05 am

          Didn’t the Lebanese prime minister come out with the
          conservative estimate of at least 2 ISIS affiliates out of
          every 100 ‘refugees’ – not including those who are
          sympathisers? So, an optimistic figure would be 16,000
          jihadis out of the 800,000 brought to Germany by the
          end of the year! The sky is the bloody limit.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 7:52 am

          A useful number is how many Muslims the UK must keep under surveillance, compared to the total Muslim population. I believe the UK has to keep thousands of Muslims under surveillance.

          About 1% of Muslims or more are seriously interested in at some point participating directly in violent jihad. Another 15% strongly believe in and would support violent jihad on behalf of Islam, but do not want to do it directly themselves. Yet another 30% to 50% of Muslims support totalitarian sharia law, but do not consistently support violent jihad. Perhaps 15% of Muslims in the world are consistently secular, liberal, for free speech, and anti-theocratic — though the percentage of such truly secular Muslims among the Muslim Syrian refugees is likely smaller.

          You can’t just consider the small number willing to actually kill at any given moment. You have to consider how they work in synergy with the other 15%, and how those work in synergy with the large numbers who support Sharia.

        • vickie says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 8:11 am

          Are you defining a terrorist as someone who would blow up or kill a person? Are you including those who would harass and bully as a terrorist? If you count the bullie the number should be much, much higher

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 9:44 am

          Peter Charles says

          November 11, 2015 at 9:58 pm

          “What are you basing your stats on? A scientific wild ass guess?”

          No; it’s safe to say that mortimer is basing his stats on a deep-seated need to trust that the majority of Muslims are good, decent people. Why do I say that? Two reasons:

          1) General principle: PC MC is so prevalent in the West, it even seeps into the Counter-Jihad (a phenomenon I’ve noticed all too often over the years)

          2) Specific evidence:

          Over a year ago here on Jihad Watch, mortimer wrote:

          mortimer says

          September 18, 2014 at 4:21 pm

          “Most Muslims are much nicer and more moral than Mohammed. They believe theoretically, but most do not practice all the things required by Islam. Perhaps 85% of Muslims are non-practicing ‘hypocrites’. Only 15% are observant.”

          At the time, even the Friends of Phillip Gang (sort of the Counter-Jihad “Hole in the Wall” Gang, including Mirren, gravenimage, and Champ) weighed in against this balderdash:

          [QUOTE]

          Mirren10 says

          September 19, 2014 at 7:20 pm

          ”Perhaps 85% of Muslims are non-practicing ‘hypocrites’. Only 15% are observant.”

          Actually, it is *your* post that is nonsense. As Champ noted, where did you get your statistics from ?

          gravenimage says

          September 19, 2014 at 9:03 pm

          Really, Mortimer? In that case, why do so many Muslims in the West support the Islamic State? Why are so many for the imposition of Shari’ah law?

          And why aren’t any of them out protesting *against* violent JIhad?

          [END QUOTE]

          At the time I noted that an Egyptian Christian commenter, one “Salah”, agreed with mortimer (and Salah was always touting the wonders of Egyptian “Moderates” and the glories of a Moderate Egyptian Muslim populace and the dawning of a New Age of Aquarius in Egypt). I then wondered if JayBoo would agree with mortimer — and sure enough, he didn’t fail me:

          [QUOTE]

          Jay Boo says

          September 19, 2014 at 9:10 am

          I believe Salah is speaking the truth that “the vast majority of Muslims are not true followers of Muhammad.”

          [END QUOTE]

          As I said, even Champ at the time exhibited rational sanity:

          [QUOTE]

          Champ says

          September 19, 2014 at 1:54 am

          Salah, essestially that’s like a Nazi claiming that they just aren’t a “practicing Nazi” ..pfft! C’mon!

          [END QUOTE]

          Speaking of Salah, I wonder whatever happened to him; he used to comment a lot here. I hope his wonderfully Moderate Egypt and all its wonderfully Moderate Egyptian Muslims have kept him safe and “protected”, dhimmitude-wise…

          But I digress…

          I also wondered at the time —

          [QUOTE]

          voegelinian says

          September 19, 2014 at 4:44 am

          …I wonder if …Angemon, and PJ [Phillip Jihadski] would similarly agree.

          [END QUOTE]

          Naturally, Angemon and PJ at the time adroitly sidestepped the whole incident and said nothing.

          In closing, I’d say my favorite riposte to mortimer’s horseshit was some commenter I never saw before that time, nor since:

          [QUOTE]

          John Adams says

          September 18, 2014 at 8:06 pm

          Mortimer a more accurate statistic would be 99% of Muslims give the other 1% a bad name!

          [END QUOTE]

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/muslims-protest-against-australia-terror-raids-there-is-anger-in-the-community-we-have-been-victimised-for-years-and-years/comment-page-1#comment-1121630

        • Angemon says

          Nov 13, 2015 at 2:58 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “At the time, even the Friends of Phillip Gang (sort of the Counter-Jihad “Hole in the Wall” Gang, including Mirren, gravenimage, and Champ)

          (…)

          At the time I noted that an Egyptian Christian commenter, one “Salah”, agreed with mortimer (and Salah was always touting the wonders of Egyptian “Moderates” and the glories of a Moderate Egyptian Muslim populace and the dawning of a New Age of Aquarius in Egypt). I then wondered if JayBoo would agree with mortimer — and sure enough, he didn’t fail me:

          (…)

          Naturally, Angemon and PJ at the time adroitly sidestepped the whole incident and said nothing.”

          Just another of your poorly disguised smear pieces on JW regulars who committed the capital sin of not wanting to join your army of flying monkeys or even, *gasp*, blasphemed and dared to question the dogmas you hold as sacred truths. All along, you’re oblivious to the fact that your constant, unsubstantiated attempts at demonizing others have made you fall from grace a long time ago.

        • Champ says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 5:01 pm

          ANOTHER PROJECTION & LIE ALERT!

          vindictive voeg wrote:

          As I said, even Champ at the time exhibited rational sanity:

          [QUOTE]

          Champ says

          September 19, 2014 at 1:54 am

          Salah, essestially that’s like a Nazi claiming that they just aren’t a “practicing Nazi” ..pfft! C’mon!

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Well, this is something that I would still state today, so voeg is lying about me.

          And my sanity is just fine, thank you. However I do wonder about his sanity, which is what triggered another projection alert.

          Once again here’s voeg goading everyone on his shit-list with his off-topic routine. Yeah notice that those voeg made mention of haven’t even left a comment on this thread yet, including me. Wow it’s either this off-topic nonsense in writing–where he calls others out and goes off-topic–or it’s with his silly videos where we get to hear him whining about so-in-so, and ..’boo hoo poor me, no one likes me”.

          Hold on, is that an *L* I see on voeg’s forehead? …yep!

          Get lost already.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 9:43 pm

          Voegelinian wrote:

          At the time, even the Friends of Phillip Gang (sort of the Counter-Jihad “Hole in the Wall” Gang, including Mirren, gravenimage, and Champ)
          ……………………….

          Good grief, Voeg–give it a rest. I haven’t heard from Philip Jihadski in *months*–not since he bizarrely denounced Robert Spencer as a “fascist”.

          And comparing good Counter-Jihadists like Mirren and Champ–and myself–to *violent criminals* is not just grotesque calumny, it is extremely odd, having not the least basis in fact.

          My only “crime” is politely disagreeing with you occasionally.

        • Champ says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 10:46 pm

          Graven wrote:

          And comparing good Counter-Jihadists like Mirren and Champ–and myself–to *violent criminals* is not just grotesque calumny, it is extremely odd, having not the least basis in fact.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Indeed, Graven. Yes, voeg’s lies about us have grown increasingly more distorted. Now voeg is making false and defamatory statements, about us, in an attempt to damage our reputation. But most people know us well enough to know that voeg’s slanderous remarks are not true, and they only serve to prove just how dysfunctional and toxic he truly is.

        • Champ says

          Nov 13, 2015 at 4:47 pm

          Angemon wrote to, vicious voeg:

          “Just another of your poorly disguised smear pieces on JW regulars who committed the capital sin of not wanting to join your army of flying monkeys or even, *gasp*, blasphemed and dared to question the dogmas you hold as sacred truths. All along, you’re oblivious to the fact that your constant, unsubstantiated attempts at demonizing others have made you fall from grace a long time ago.”

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Bravo, Angemon!! …once again you’ve hit the nail on the head!

      • Dr. Divinity says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 6:23 pm

        They better not allow them to vote

    • Roger says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 8:23 pm

      This was the report from last year that was conveniently swept under the rug.
      Germany to accept 500 000 refugees per year for the next 7 years, but this is the first few months and they’ve already exceeded this number by 300 000!!!

      Merkel needs to go jail and the EU needs to be dissolved with the safe repatriation of ALL refugees if their country is safe to go back to, regardless of length of stay.

      theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/08/germany-500000-refugees-a-year-clashes-lesbos

      • Srichand says

        Nov 11, 2015 at 10:00 pm

        Merkel should be tried for treason for allowing so many terrorists, disguised as refugees.

        • de says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 3:21 am

          They don’t have a clue for what they’re in for.Can’t even walk down USA STREETS ANY MORE WITH OUT BEING ATTACKED,HARASSED; OR WORSE. LOVELY, JUST LOVELY. AND TO ALL VETERANS THANKS A WHOLE BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND SOR FOR LETTING THE USA GETTING SO PATHETIC.

        • Scott M says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 3:39 am

          Who wants to bet she will end up like Mussolini?

        • nicu says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 6:09 am

          An Austrian party has sued her for that !

        • Paul says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 7:10 am

          @Scott M,
          Let’s hope so 🙂

        • Paul says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 7:19 am

          The death penalty should be brought back for treason.
          That was once the case in England before B.Liar abolished
          the Treason Act altogether before he flooded the UK with
          Muhammadans. Malicious midget Merkel is cut from the same
          cloth as him.

        • kirche says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 8:09 am

          my guess is you’re off by a factor of ten… that’s what this whole thing is about; smuggling in an army to take the nation by force.

          there was an article recently about some refugee-jihadi’s cell phone they found that had tactical plans on key locations to attack in order to subdue germany.

  2. ? says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    Yes how inconsiderate and politically incorrect of those German girls who don’t want to get sexually harassed by foreigners because they’re not wearing a hijab–and in a place that serves alcohol no less. Aren’t Muslims suppoesed to be allergic to that stuff? Is that not the reason the French lunch was canceled because of the mere presence of alcohol? And also if they are migrants on welfare or their own money (assuming they still have some) why are they going to waste money in a nightclub instead of a store to buy some living necessities that they claim they don’t have enough of?

  3. epistemology says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 7:00 pm

    Bad Tölz is a very rural truly Bavarian small town. You have cows and meadows and all the rural stuff but you have night clubs as well. This is only a problem for muzzies. They can’t go to a disco without molesting and harassing the girls. Bad Tölz obviously can’t cope with the situation, as Merkel and her admins failed them completely. Well done Ms Chancellor

    • Roger says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 8:41 pm

      It’s very telling that the German “government” is flooding small rural German towns and villages with refugees. In other names this is called ethnic and cultural cleansing.

      • EYESOPEN says

        Nov 11, 2015 at 10:35 pm

        Yep.

        • particolor says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 3:52 am

          Defiantly Yep !
          Cancel the Chancellor !

  4. Peggy says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    If those guests who claim that the management is racist are that upset they can easily find other clubs they can go to.
    I am sure that normal decent people, especially women will be happy to have a club where they are not exposed to any problems.

  5. Baibonn Sangid says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 7:12 pm

    Germans really need to see humanity beyond color, creed and culture. Good for maverick leader Chancellor Angela Merkel to open Germany’s door for refugees for her people to see a new world. Refugees could be a source of income and new ways of doing things right.
    Truly a universal leader – – salute to you Lady Chancellor.

    • bernie says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 7:35 pm

      Baibonn: it’s not a question of blaming every single Muslim male or Muslim person. However, when a disproportionate amount of harassments, assaults and rapes are being done by Muslim males in Western Europe (for example, Muslim males account for about 75% of all rapes in Sweden, and a very high percentage of grooming gang rapes in Britain have been done by men of Pakistani Muslim background), then we should be talking about the problem and addrss

    • bernie says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 7:42 pm

      …addressing it. Those Muslim males who have such chauvinistic, arrogant and supremacist attitudes towards women and non-Muslims for example, really need to see beyond gender, religion and culture and develop a spirit of tolerance and respect.

      • TheBuffster says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 9:36 am

        Excellent reply, Bernie!

    • Linde Barrera says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 8:07 pm

      To Baibonn Sangid- Refugees can make a positive impact on their new country when they learn the country’s main language, have a skill to share that enables them to get employment (or learn a skill, to do such), teach their family members to “give back” to society in positive ways such as volunteering to assist with the elderly, or the young in supervised settings, by possibly inventing something useful, and by obeying the laws of their new land, and being good citizens. As to the nightclub owners, I salute them. And whenever anyone calls names and nasty words, we have an old saying: “Call me any name you want, just don’t call me late for dinner.” ?

    • Peggy says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 8:33 pm

      Refugees could be a source of income and new ways of doing things right
      ==============================
      No, refugees are a source of expediture and they cannot teach Europeans anything because their culture is backward and evil.
      They are not needed and should be not wanted.

    • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 8:35 pm

      Oh, Germany’s going to be seeing ‘a new world’ all right Baib!

      Yes, the wonderful world of islam is opening up for them all. Gone are the days of non-mutilated girls and women! Gone the equality of the sexes; the culture which produced Mozart, Bach, Beethoven (music is ‘un-islamic’ dontcha know)! Gone the West’s long heritage of jurisprudence, religious choice, intellectual curiosity/freedom and love of country…

      Oh yes Baib: That ‘new world’ will be a real joy for them all, won’t it?

      • TheBuffster says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 9:41 am

        Europe is going to have to lock up and severely guard their Museums, too. Remember Palmyra!

    • Roger says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 8:42 pm

      “Salute”? You mean “Seig Heil Merkel”?

    • Jack Diamond says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 9:24 pm

      Baibonn, your words should be carved in stone, they are as immortal as “peace in our time” was in another era. Assuming you are a non-Muslim (and German), you represent everything wrong with Germany and its educational system. You are about to learn about the new world (it’s not something new but something very very old, not going to be a triumph of “humanity” but of the hideously anti-human) –the hard way.

      • eduardo odraude says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 8:23 am

        Nicely said.

        • TheBuffster says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 9:42 am

          Ditto.

        • Carolyne says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 10:53 am

          Me too. A culture which has accomplished nothing good for 1400 years and has only caused death and war, not to mention filth, misogyny and pedophilia can teach the Germans nothing, except self-defense–to fight them off and send them back to the hellholes they came from. Why in the world would Germany wish to become a backward, ignorant nation where people have married their first cousins for generations and therefore produced these invading barbarians?

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 11:07 am

          “Why in the world would Germany wish to become a backward, ignorant nation where people have married their first cousins for generations and therefore produced these invading barbarians?”

          Because for the PC MC (and Leftist) Germans, their ethical narcissism makes it more important for them to congratulate themselves on “not being bigoted & racist”, than for them to keep their polity safe & sound.

        • carpediadem says

          Nov 13, 2015 at 4:58 pm

          Well, Carolyne, they got cheap oil and marketing opportunities on the condition they took in lots of Muslims and favoured them over citizens.

          From http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=13529

          The project refrred to is the EuroArab Dialogue which facilitated the formation of the EuroArab bloc of countries to compete with USA. Power, you know, especially for france and Germany:

          The Project is an enlarged vision of the anti-American Gaullist policy dependent upon the formation of a Euro-Arab Mediterranean rim hostile to American influence and penetration. The project facilitated European ambitions to:

          [1] play a defining political role in international relations in competition with the United States, and independent of its influence;

          [2] maintain important spheres of influence in the former European Arab colonies;

          [3] open huge markets for the European Economic Community’s products in the Arab world, especially in oil-producing countries;

          [4] secure supplies of petroleum and natural gas to Europe;

          [5] make the Mediterranean a Euro-Arab inland sea by encouraging massive Arab immigration into Europe, and favoring Muslim immigrants, mixing Euro-Arab populations by promoting multiculturalism with a strong Islamic presence in Europe;

          [6] develop a powerful Islamo-Christian symbiosis against Israel, orienting Europe toward Islam, and liberating Christianity from Judaism, which is viewed by some Antisemitic factions as the embodiment of evil.

      • voegelinian says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 11:04 am

        “Assuming you are a non-Muslim (and German)…”

        Methinks this commenter, Baibonn Sangid, is a Filippina Muslima (or “Moro” as they call them there — if not, dare I say, juramentado).

        I found this article from 2012 in which a Baibonn Sangid is cited as “47, former chairperson of the Young Moro Professional Network…” who was quoted as being oh so happy about a hudna (i.e., phony peace treaty) between the MILF rebels and the Philippines government.

        http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2012/10/16/2003545297/2

        I mean, how many Baibonn Sangids can there be in the world…? Anyway, if so, no wonder Baibonn likes Merkel so.

        And, as if we in the Counter-Jihad needed reminding, there is nothing good and everything evil about the MILF group in the Philippines. Just browse through these pages of articles on Jihad Watch about the ongoing problem over the years of the “separatist movement” (i.e., jihad) in the Philippines:

        https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=milf+philippines&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jihadwatch.org%2F&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=#q=milf+philippines+site:http://www.jihadwatch.org/&as_qdr=all&start=0

        • Jack Diamond says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 4:10 pm

          for the uninformed MILF here does not refer to hot naked moms.

        • Mazo says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 4:27 pm

          No sane Moro wants to be called a “Filipina”.

          Filipina is a synonym for transsexual prostitute or mail order bride.

          The problem is that some Spaniards bit off more than they could deal with when they greedily tried to claim Moro territory for their Philippine slave colony and got their butts repeatedly kicked over and over when they tried to unssuccessfully invade and annex them.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 10:13 pm

          Voeg, if you are correct about the identity of the rather singularly named Baibonn Sangid–as seems likely–then she was screaming “Allahu Akbar” at the prospect of the Philippines backing down on opposing Jihad.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 10:18 pm

          The foul Muslim supremacist Mazo wrote:

          No sane Moro wants to be called a “Filipina”.
          ……………………………

          “Sane” and “Moro” do not go together…

          More:

          Filipina is a synonym for transsexual prostitute or mail order bride.
          ……………………………

          This is how pious Muslims regard *all* non-Muslim women–as fair game to be treated like whores.

          It is, in fact, *exactly* the same attitude as these Muslim “refugees” have toward native German women in the story above.

          Bless the nightclub for protecting their female customers.

    • Nan says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 9:26 pm

      No. This is an invasion of fighting age men who are taught to hate the West and come to take benefits not to work, that uncovered women are free game for their sexual amusement, that they are entitled to anything owned by non-Muslims. Germany needs to built a wall and to send the invaders to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other wealthy Middle Eastern countries. If the middle east is in a shambles, it’s their problem and they need to deal with it. All the BS about income equality in the West is just that; the true income inequality is in the Middle East, which has the very wealthy and the very poor. Our poor people are the 1%. I know a woman who brought a Kurdish husband home on her student loans. They lived in a one-bedroom apartment, he had to learn English, they didn’t have a car but they had clothes, food, a roof over their heads, electricity, heat, running water and lived like kings compared to his upbringing; his family of 10 lived in a 2 room house without central heating, electricity or plumbing.

    • Westman says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 10:17 pm

      ” ..Refugees could be a source of income and new ways of doing things right.”

      Amazing, a comedian! And after listening to the Ayatollah saying that there is no humor in Islam; did he ever have it wrong.

      Exactly what has Islam produced(not bought or pillaged) in the last 900 years? Name one scientific development, one improvement in governing methods, one social development that improved life.

      New ways of doing things – Do you mean the thousands of tons of garbage the migrants left in their path or the tons of garbage they will leave on the streets where they eventually reside? Maybe the 200 new Mosques that Saudi Arabia wants to build for them?

      Allah only wants slaves and slaves are prevented from improving their lot. Islam is a “leveling nihilism” that only takes the spirit from humans; devolving them to subsistence. On average, it will only degrade Europe. There will be some gifted among the migrants, but most migrants will be parasitic on the economy. The Hijrah to Europe is a migration caused by an increasingly hostile climate, poor farming methods, and tribal-Islamic inspired instability(war). Islam’s failure to unite people was the final determining weakness.

      Poor Angela Merkel will go down in history as the deluded leader who paid for the sins of a past generation with the attemped homicide of the next. She has laudable empathy but it is an uninformed empathy.

      • Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 2:33 am

        Westman issues a challenge:
        “Exactly what has Islam produced (not bought or pillaged) in the last 900 years? Name one scientific development, one improvement in governing methods, one social development that improved life.”

        The challenge is answered:
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      • TheBuffster says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 9:46 am

        I think you’ve nailed that, Westman. All of it.

      • Peter Charles says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 3:57 pm

        So very true that it hurts. Islamists are doing their best to return us to a tribal existence . Stopping their i nsanity should be a priopritty, not catering to their madness.

    • Michael Warden says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 3:42 am

      The best thing that could happen to the muslim rapists in my country is a short operation with a blunt knife. They might speak in a high voice afterwards but – no matter.

    • eduardo odraude says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 8:13 am

      To Baibonn Sangid,
      For several dozen news stories about artists, teachers, public figures, museums, politicians, and others who are self-censoring in response to Muslim death threats and news stories about people getting killed or injured simply for speech, please see http://www.quotingislam.blogspot.com

      I agree with you that multiculturalism is a good thing, but precisely for that reason, it is a mistake to bring in large numbers of Muslims, because when they get a majority, they will impose an Islamic monoculture. Non-Muslims will be second class citizens since Islamic law does not grant full rights to them. Already very few people in the West are willing to publicly, non-anonymously speak any criticism of Muhammad or Islam. Free speech is essential for civilized life. Free speech is not there to protect inoffensive speech, since no one will object to that. It is precisely offensive speech that free speech laws are needed for. First Amendment for Europe please!

      • TheBuffster says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 9:51 am

        “Free speech is essential for civilized life.”

        One of the most important statements anyone could ever make.

    • John Stefan Obeda says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 2:19 pm

      Baibonn: What you say fits well any people of the world, EXCEPT Islamists. You must learn what Islam is and what Islam stands for and what its practises are. There is nothing in the whole world like Islam. And the devoted Islamists are a curse to any nation. Get to read the Qur’an (at least the first 9 chapters) and some of the Hadiths (Bukhari is a good one to start with) and perhaps also the Sira (the biography of Muhammad). At this time the people of Europe are going to be forced to learn first hand what Islam stands for. And, therefore, I must continue to pray for Europe from which my own blood comes. What God can do to help you my dear Europeans, I don’t know except, perhaps, in due time start the third world war because the only thing Islam listens to is force. (Very few listen to the saving Gospel message of Jesus, the Saviour of the world which message would solve the problem). God have mercy especially on you women in Europe because, Muhammad the pedophile who consummated his marriage with Aisha when she was only 9 years old and even also took away the wife of his step-son teaches in the Qur’an and the hadiths that some women can, indeed, be sex-slaves and women are not worth as much as men and the non-Muslim women need not to be respected and honoured because they non-Muslim. The Muslim is to use his wife and those women which he owns as a farmer uses his fields. They are to be enjoyed. And in Paradise he will be rewarded with 72 women who will forever be virgins to him. There is nothing in the world as the ideology of Islam. I feel sorry for you Europeans and also for other countries like the U.S. and Canada because our leaders are blind as you presently seem to be. God bless you and Europe, somehow.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 10:08 pm

      Baibonn Sangid wrote:

      Germans really need to see humanity beyond color, creed and culture. Good for maverick leader Chancellor Angela Merkel to open Germany’s door for refugees for her people to see a new world.
      ………………………………….

      It’s a “new world” all right–where Muslims “refugees” are using the money good-hearted Infidels are giving them to frequent night clubs and harass women.

      More:

      Refugees could be a source of income and new ways of doing things right.
      Truly a universal leader – – salute to you Lady Chancellor.
      ………………………………….

      How can Muslims sponging off the dole become a “source of income” to anyone–except for Jihadists?

      But of course this Muslimah is lauding Merkel for letting millions of her vicious coreligionists flood into Dar-al-Harb in a violent Hijira..

    • Ariel says

      Nov 13, 2015 at 12:39 am

      Are you one of those who entered the country as a migrant?

  6. Lightning Jack says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    Germany, as well as the rest of Europe will pay a dreadful price for allowing unrestricted Muslim immigration into their nations, which has already jeopardized the safety and security of their citizen populations through immigrant violence and lawlessness. The Muslim immigrants committing such crimes should have been immediately apprehended and deported.

    This is further testimony that it is virtually impossible for non-Muslims to live in peaceful coexistence with fundamentalist Islams 11th century retrograde throwback dogma, and its practitioners who refuse not only to assimilate, but show mutual respect to their host populations for allowing them an opportunity to achieve a better way of life.

  7. abad says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 8:00 pm

    I’d like to know why Muslim migrants would be entering a nightclub anyways…I thought Islam strictly forbade listening to music and drinking alcohol?????

    • Nan says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 9:29 pm

      It doesn’t prohibit lying or rape.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 12:33 am

      If I recall correctly, the September 11 hijackers went to bars and strip joints.

    • ed says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 8:29 am

      It does forbid alchohol — but music is perhaps a little more controversial. But anyway, Muslims can do any sin provided they die jihad martyrs. They believe jihadists are forgiven every sin.

      • eduardo odraude says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 8:33 am

        Jihadists have even been religiously advised to visibly do some kinds of Islamic sins (go to bars, appear to be unreligious, for example) in order to hide that they are jihadists.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 10:08 am

          Indeed eduardo odraude — but luckily for us, the Counter-Jihad Softies inform us (or rather imply in various weaselly ways, including attacking their fellow Counter-Jihadists who insist on Zero Tolerance against All Muslims) that a forever undetermined number of Muslims are harmless. How comforting to know…

        • Angemon says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 6:12 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “the Counter-Jihad Softies inform us (or rather imply in various weaselly ways, including attacking their fellow Counter-Jihadists who insist on Zero Tolerance against All Muslims) that a forever undetermined number of Muslims are harmless.”

          Translation: the people you deridingly call “softies” (because you’re a supremacist slobbering over the possibility of defining what the CJ movement is and who are deemed worthy of being called a Counter-Jihadi) didn’t actually say what you’re ascribing to them, you just claim they did because they told you something you didn’t like.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 6:16 am

          Also, that you routinely defame people behind their backs rather than address what they actually say is very telling of your character and the strength of your arguments. Or the lack thereof.

    • whoisjohngalt says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 8:52 am

      One must assume that migrants have no money of their own, therefore the taxpayers would be footing the bill for activities associated with a night club.

      Perhaps Germany issues EBT cards for use in nightclub and strip joints like here in the US?

      Is Germany a great country or what?

  8. Angemon says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 8:31 pm

    The club workers were then accused of being racist and called “Nazi pigs” by some guests of the club, the media reported, citing the club’s Facebook statement.

    Those “guests” should take the matter into their own hands. They should have a great, big party in one of their homes and invite only the “migrants”, then let us know how that turned out.

    • particolor says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 4:03 am

      🙂 🙂 🙂

  9. Jack Diamond says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 8:35 pm

    Not a few Muslims I know drink like fish and go to nightclubs. Some of them go to nightclubs to later burn them down. Both the ISIS and Al Qaeda play books call for the would be jihadis “blending in” and not calling attention to their being orthodox Muslims. Jihad covers a multitude of sins–not to mention kaffir women and kaffir wealth are considered legitimate “booty” or spoils of war which Muslims should help themselves to if at all possible. Otherwise, the rules of “guarding” yourself and taqiyya in enemy territory can explain both going to nightclubs and drinking alcohol (besides just being bad Muslims). Why, guarding yourself and Islam can even extend to taking false oaths or even renouncing Islam with your tongue, in emergencies, as long as you keep that good old Islamic hate in your heart and curse the infidels there while smiling in their faces.

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 10:40 am

      With all that informed common sense displayed in Jack Diamond’s comment (and in many previous comments I’ve noticed), one wonders if he is opposed to Zero Tolerance against All Muslims…? Or would the dreaded A word stick in his craw, resulting in a taxonomic parsing of the problem of Muslims (a habit so common, I’ve noticed, in the Counter-Jihad)…? Inquiring minds want to know…

      • Jack Diamond says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 6:27 pm

        Thanks for trying to draw me into your squabble and for defining the terms I must either agree to or disagree with. Lest I be considered soft, lukewarm, and spewed out of the real Counter Jihad. I’ll pass on the squabble. But I’ll say something.

        I have zero illusions about Islam or Muslims. I don’t find comfort in thinking most Muslims are not True Muslims. In fact the same Muslim may behave one way today (when Muslims are weak) another way tomorrow (as a true Muslim when they have the upper hand). When it comes to individual human beings I am all for efforts at Christian conversion, the importance of the testimony of ex-Muslims, anything that alienates a Muslim from the cult and makes them a better human, but I don’t count on it and hopes for miracles should not affect strategy. Individuals don’t really matter in Islam, especially when Islam is ascendant and the collective nature of belonging to the ummah is paramount.

        Speaking of common sense, I don’t see the point in (currently) unreal discussions. Whether it is about dropping nuclear bombs, or banning Islam, or the total deportation of all Muslims. We in the West cannot even agree of the importance of stopping the importing of Muslims, even from hotbeds of jihad activity, let alone talk about deportation. We cannot shut down mosques implicated in jihad activity. We have not been able to apply laws of treason or sedition properly or strip citizenship of those who join the Caliphate. There are obvious legal and constitutional barriers to the total deportation idea alone that make it fanciful. You seem to predicate the possibility on a future state of crisis brought on by Muslim terror and aggression reaching a tipping point where laws are amended abridged or superseded by emergency and necessity. No? I’d rather prevent that from happening in the first place.

        I too can make grand suggestions. Halt all Muslim immigration. Jihad and Shari’a should be effectively outlawed (something do-able as opposed to outlawing Islam, yet virtually identical). Seditious clerics silenced or deported, depending where they come from. A price on the head (or a bullet in the head) of any cleric sanctioning killing Americans, anywhere. The Saudi etc funding of jihad and its instruments made too pricey and dangerous for them to continue it. The Muslim Brotherhood and its subsidiaries no longer allowed in the USA. On and on. Baby steps, but in the right direction (all which should have been done in the aftermath of 9/11).

        Islam cannot be reformed but “reform” can be imposed on Muslims, by force, and by an informed public. Islam and Muslims, weak and dominated and divided, behave very differently than Islam and Muslims feeling they are riding the strong horse. Inshallah fatalism is a double edged sword, they truly are either at your throat or at your feet. The goal is to return our world to that prior condition. Islam became an almost forgotten threat and a mere pest in the time it was divided and dominated by western powers. It’s resurgence due first to the influx of oil wealth and subsequent political clout needs to be reversed. The Muslim world needs to be divided, weakened, it’s supply line to wealth and power removed. That to me is common sense and a light at the end of the tunnel. Which is not to say it will happen.

        • Peggy says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 11:55 pm

          Holting all immigration of Muslims now is too late to fix the problem. They breed at an alarming rate so how long before they take control? They don’t even have to be a majority as long as they have sufficient numbers they will take control.
          I really wouldn’t worry about laws preventing us from deporitng most of them Laws can be changed at the stroke of a pen.
          All we need is new breed of leaders. Constitutions are made and changed. All this can be done if we have people in positions and who are willing to do that.
          Unfortuantely this would take a refolution.
          When trying to eradicate Cancer do we go softly or do we blast it with all we have? Islam is a Cancer and it needs the same treatment.
          Maybe we could save more lives by having a revolution than letting them breed out of control.

        • Myxlplik says

          Nov 13, 2015 at 11:14 am

          I agree Peggy, why suffer over the details, because as they say, “Necessity is the mother of invention”.

          Soon enough there will be high ground ideologically/geographically, then we will move from there.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 13, 2015 at 1:23 pm

          “Speaking of common sense, I don’t see the point in (currently) unreal discussions.”

          Yes; during the century or more before Abolition of slavery finally became a (current) reality in the 19th century, many voices would tell those who pushed for that meme during times when few could see farther than their own nose inside their Box that, “I don’t see the point in (currently) unreal discussions.” Luckily for the ongoing cause of human rights, those voices did not prevail.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 13, 2015 at 3:00 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Yes; during the century or more before Abolition of slavery finally became a (current) reality in the 19th century, many voices would tell those who pushed for that meme during times when few could see farther than their own nose inside their Box that, “I don’t see the point in (currently) unreal discussions.” Luckily for the ongoing cause of human rights, those voices did not prevail.”

          Leave it up to voeg to compare what he wants to do, which is to strip rights out of people who neither planned to nor did any wrong, to a movement who fought for people who had their rights stripped despite neither doing nor planning to do anything wrong. Human rights, voegelinian style…

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 13, 2015 at 1:59 pm

          “We in the West cannot even agree of the importance of stopping the importing of Muslims, even from hotbeds of jihad activity, let alone talk about deportation.”

          So, as my previous response to Jack Diamond implied, there are two levels to the TDM (Total Deportation Meme) – 1) the pragmatic present, and 2) the future toward which sociopolitical consciousness-raising activism points (cf., my Abolition analogy in my previous response which I’ve repeated many times in this regard over the past two years). The above quote and much of what follows fixates only on #1. Obviously, I agree the West will not deport Muslims tomorrow morning, or any time after that within the purview which that sarcastic exaggeration obviously implies figuratively, not literally. Hence the mental shift to #2 (a feat beyond the sociopolitical imagination of most in the Counter-Jihad apparently – wow, what vision y’all have!).

          “We cannot shut down mosques implicated in jihad activity. We have not been able to apply laws of treason or sedition properly or strip citizenship of those who join the Caliphate….”

          Yes, yes, more #1.

          Ah, but do I espy a whiff of a recognition of #2 on yonder horizon…?

          “You seem to predicate the possibility on a future state of crisis brought on by Muslim terror and aggression reaching a tipping point where laws are amended abridged or superseded by emergency and necessity. No?”

          Yes and No. I predicate not the possibility but the high probability, indeed on a “future state of crisis brought on by Muslim terror and aggression reaching a tipping point” (if one can inform one’s imaginative projection of that “future state of crisis” with the mountain of horrific data we already have about Islam and Muslims — but not “where laws are amended abridged or superseded by emergency and necessity”; that last logical lurch typical of the Counter-Jihad Softies (or perhaps I need a new term, “the Counter-Jihad No-Nonsense Legal Beagles”). Would what we did to stop the Axis powers in WW2 be “where laws are amended abridged or superseded by emergency and necessity”,,,? Even the Internment of Japanese-Americans was deemed by the Supreme Court to be perfectly Constitutional. Would what police, SWAT teams, and the FBI have to do in an emergency situation where an indeterminable number of unknown individuals are shooting people dead in Times Square from as yet indeterminable vantage points high in (and/or on top of) buildings in the area, during which emergency already over 50 people on the street and in offices and apartments have been randomly shot dead be “where laws are amended abridged or superseded by emergency and necessity”? Of course not. So, in the mind of the Counter-Jihad No-Nonsense Legal Beagle, apparently, the “future crisis” which becomes the “tipping point” would not even rise to the level of emergency of the latter scenario, much less the former. That’s where I profoundly part company with them, and consider them to be egregiously remiss in their digestion of the indigestibly horrific mountain of data about Islam and Muslims which are already available to us.

          “I’d rather prevent that from happening in the first place.”

          Ah, so I’m pushing the TDM because I don’t want to prevent that global train wreck from happening in the first place, eh…?

          “I too can make grand suggestions. Halt all Muslim immigration.”

          I’ve already discussed the problem with this, when it’s supplied as some kind of alternative to the TDM. Succinctly put, the flaw is in “Closing the Barn Door not Before the Wolves have Gotten In, but After They Are Already Inside.” This flaw, in turn, is redoubled in error by the pragmatic likelihood (as long as we’re being all no-nonsense realists here, like Jack Diamond) that halting Muslim immigration ain’t gonna happen in the near future. We can’t even criticize Islam for Allah’s sake and we must walk on eggshells of respect around Muslims throughout the entire West! By the time the West gets around to even thinking that currently unthinkable thought, there will be millions more Muslims inside the West — so, if locking the Barn Door would be dicey tomorrow morning, it will be that much worse when the West is ready to think and do it.

          I’m not against pushing memes like halting immigration, surveilling mosques, banning Koran, whatever; but not when they are predicated as alternatives calculated to oppose the TDM.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 13, 2015 at 3:13 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “but not “where laws are amended abridged or superseded by emergency and necessity”; that last logical lurch typical of the Counter-Jihad Softies (or perhaps I need a new term, “the Counter-Jihad No-Nonsense Legal Beagles”).”

          This is a recurring theme with you. Apparently, your seditious “total deportation” nonsense requires no amendment or editing of existing laws, or the creation of new ones. And yet, you’re incapable of framing it legally – much easier to mock and deride the people who point out where you’re wrong than to actually argue and prove them wrong, right?

          “Even the Internment of Japanese-Americans was deemed by the Supreme Court to be perfectly Constitutional.”

          A few points that you slyly leave out:

          – The internment was not planned to be permanent.

          – The US government later apologized for the internment camps and paid restoration to those interned.

          – Not all Japanese-Americans were interned. Many Japanese-Americans fought for the US, including in the Pacific against Japan.

          Do you envision to intern some muslim Americans for a limited period of time while letting others serve in the military, and later apologize to those interned and pay them restoration? If not, your comparison is completely unwarranted.

          “Would what police, SWAT teams, and the FBI have to do in an emergency situation where an indeterminable number of unknown individuals are shooting people dead in Times Square from as yet indeterminable vantage points high in (and/or on top of) buildings in the area, during which emergency already over 50 people on the street and in offices and apartments have been randomly shot dead be “where laws are amended abridged or superseded by emergency and necessity”? Of course not.”

          Actually – and I know this will come as a shock to you – there are laws in place rulling what the FBI, SWAT, and Police can do and the situations where they can do it.

          “So, in the mind of the Counter-Jihad No-Nonsense Legal Beagle, apparently, the “future crisis” which becomes the “tipping point” would not even rise to the level of emergency of the latter scenario, much less the former.”

          No, that’s just you ascribing falsehoods to the people you dislike.

          “Ah, so I’m pushing the TDM because I don’t want to prevent that global train wreck from happening in the first place, eh…?”

          No, you’re pushing your seditious nonsense because you have no idea of what you’re talking about. You’re proven by your actions that any attempt to probe about its pros and cons in order to make an informed, rational decision is met with open hostility on your end. TDM works because you say so, and anyone questioning it is a “fucktard” who “doesn’t get” the “problem of islam” or “the problem of the problem”.

          “I’ve already discussed the problem with this, when it’s supplied as some kind of alternative to the TDM.”

          No, you simply dismiss it out of hand for no apparent reason. Your reflexive response to “halting muslim immigration” is a fallacious comparison about “closing barn doors”. It’s fallacious for several reasons, the most obviously blatant one (although not for your blind bat eyes) is that halting muslim immigration in no way prevents deportation of muslims in Western countries.

          Are you in favour of halting muslim immigration to the West or not?

          “Succinctly put, the flaw is in “Closing the Barn Door not Before the Wolves have Gotten In, but After They Are Already Inside.””

          Again, that’s a fallacious comparison. See above. But if you want to run with your fallacious comparison, how can you Get The Wolves Out If The Door Is Wide Open And Nothing Is Being Made To Prevent Wolves From Getting In The Barn?

          “This flaw, in turn, is redoubled in error by the pragmatic likelihood (as long as we’re being all no-nonsense realists here, like Jack Diamond) that halting Muslim immigration ain’t gonna happen in the near future.”

          This is hilarious. Let’s see what you wrote on that very post:

          there are two levels to the TDM (Total Deportation Meme) – 1) the pragmatic present, and 2) the future toward which sociopolitical consciousness-raising activism points (cf., my Abolition analogy in my previous response which I’ve repeated many times in this regard over the past two years). The above quote and much of what follows fixates only on #1. Obviously, I agree the West will not deport Muslims tomorrow morning, or any time after that within the purview which that sarcastic exaggeration obviously implies figuratively, not literally. Hence the mental shift to #2

          Now lets replace all references to “TDM” with “HMI” (Halt Muslim Immigration):

          there are two levels to the HMI (Halt Muslim Immigration) – 1) the pragmatic present, and 2) the future toward which sociopolitical consciousness-raising activism points (cf., my Abolition analogy in my previous response which I’ve repeated many times in this regard over the past two years). The above quote and much of what follows fixates only on #1. Obviously, I agree the West will not halt muslim immigration tomorrow morning, or any time after that within the purview which that sarcastic exaggeration obviously implies figuratively, not literally. Hence the mental shift to #2

          Again, hilarious – the person arguing “well, you know, people are against my TDM because it won’t be done tomorrow or in the near future, but I’m looking farther than that” is decrying halting muslim immigration because… it won’t happen tomorrow or in the near future. Seems like consistency is as foreign to voegelinian as open, good-faithed discussion

          “I’m not against pushing memes like halting immigration, surveilling mosques, banning Koran, whatever; but not when they are predicated as alternatives calculated to oppose the TDM.”

          As I said many times, this seditious TDM nonsense is all a big ego trip for him. None of what he decries is mutually exclusive with his seditious TDM nonsense, and if he had any sort of strategical thinking he’d be in favour of them, with the intent of using them as stepping stones. But it’s “TDM or nothing” with him: “You want to spy on mosques? NO! NO! NO! TOTAL DEPORTATION INSTEAD! You want to halt muslim immigration? NO, NO, NO!!! TOTAL DEPORTATION OR YOU GET THE BACK OF MY HAND!”.

          Meanwhile, voeg can’t even be coherent about it – one day he’s talking about internment camps for muslims, the next he’s talking about total deportation.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 13, 2015 at 4:46 pm

          I wrote:

          “I’m not against pushing memes like halting immigration, surveilling mosques, banning Koran, whatever; but not when they are predicated as alternatives calculated to oppose the TDM.”

          Or, of course, not when they would have the effect of undermining TDM (though that would be a matter of interpretation and therefore of discussion — with reasonably fair-minded interlocutors, that is, not with bad-faith sophists like Angemon.)

        • Angemon says

          Nov 13, 2015 at 7:16 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Or, of course, not when they would have the effect of undermining TDM (though that would be a matter of interpretation and therefore of discussion”

          As I stated, there’s nothing in halting muslim immigration that excludes your seditious nonsense. Hence why, even when you don’t mention your seditious nonsense, you’re adamantly against halting muslim immigration. The other part of your con is that you’re not willing to discuss anything regarding that anymore than islamic apologists are willing to discuss which faith is the true faith – both you and islamic apologists already have a preconceived notion of what the truth is and all you want is to get others on board, whether by persuasion or force.

          Your non-response is dully noted.

          “with reasonably fair-minded interlocutors, that is, not with bad-faith sophists like Angemon.)”

          Why am I in bad faith? Why is what I wrote sophistry? Why am I a sophist? Questions that I’ve asked many times but to which voeg never answered. The oracle has spoken, and he has deemed that I’m not to be discussed with.

          So, voeg, was there ever a mention of halting muslim immigration that you agreed with? How do you propose to enforce your seditious “total deportation” nonsense if you don’t want to prevent muslims from entering the country? It’s the same as trying to cleanup a flood in the bathroom without closing the tap where the water is flowing from with the excuse that closing the tap undermines the cleanup.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 4:53 am

          The analogies given both reference war powers acts. When I say war I mean in a legal beagle sort of way. The United States had declared war on Japan and the internment was a military contingency (the region was declared a military zone from which certain persons could be excluded). The abolition movement is supposed to be an analogy because abolition was once considered impossible to achieve? Abraham Lincoln, a legal beagle if ever there was one, issued the Emancipation Proclamation as a war powers act. Lincoln knew better than anyone that slavery in the South (but not the spread of slavery) was protected by the Constitution itself, and it took an actual War (not John Brown) and war powers given to the President, to begin the end of slavery. Since those are the analogies, is the Total Deportation of All Muslims predicated on a formal declaration of War by the United States government on Islam or All Muslims? Yes, no?

          I’d add, the halt to Muslim immigration is actually a much more feasible likelihood in the nearer future than any total deportation scheme. They are not equally implausible. Episodes like what just happened in Paris are going to bring more and more calls for just such a thing. Again, all my comments referred specifically to the USA, Europe is a different mess.

  10. Lee says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 8:52 pm

    “…certain men tend to see women who are unveiled and non-Muslim as “uncovered meat,” – here in Australia our judiciary have formally *acknowledged* Muslims are raised in a rape culture, and that rapes are to target non-Muslims. They acknowledge this in justifying giving Muslim gang-rapists reduced sentences. Muslim rapists also acknowledge their rape culture, as do Islamic clerics.

    See for example: Jan 21 2015 Judge Woodburne in remarks, sentencing a violent Muslim rapist to 6 yrs jail “He acknowledged that in Iran, Western women are portrayed as whores”
    – see http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/anzac-bridge-rapist-jailed-for-six-years-20150121-12v4ee.html

    Exhibit 2: A 28 year old Libyan raped seven women and girls (youngest aged13), and received a reduced minimum sentence of 3 years jail in May 2011 because:

    ‘Atagore, who is a Muslim, was upset and sexually aroused at the way women in Australia dressed and behaved, the Victorian County Court heard today.’

    ‘Sentencing Atagore, Judge Margaret Rizkalla said she accepted *there was a link between the cultural issues*, along with Atagore’s depression, *and the offences*.’

    “It seems you were very ill prepared to deal with cultural differences,” she said.

    See http://www.news.com.au/national/libyan-jailed-for-melbourne-sex-assaults/story-e6frfkvr-1226066393248

    Exhibit 3: Four Pakistani gang rapists themselves claimed in court the right to rape non-Muslims – see http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gang-rapist-claims-right-to-assault/2005/12/09/1134086806845.html

    ‘The eldest of four Pakistani gang rapist brothers has admitted lying at trial and apologised to his victims but said *he thought he had a right to rape the “promiscuous” teenage girls*.

    MSK, 27, told the NSW Supreme Court yesterday that this was because the girls *did not wear headscarves*, were drinking alcohol and were unaccompanied when they went to his Ashfield home.

    MSK also blamed his intoxication, “CULTURAL BELIEFS” and an undiagnosed mental disorder.

    ‘…He said it was only now, since he had gained a “better understanding of Australian culture”, that he knew the rapes were wrong.’

    ‘He arrived in Sydney for the ninth and final time four days before committing several rapes over six months. He had planned to study medicine.’

    4. The Grand Mufti of Australia also said girls with Islamic covering were asking to be raped, when he defended yet another gang of Muslims rapists, in the worst case of gang-rapes in our nation’s history:

    See http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/muslim-leader-blames-women-for-sex-attacks/story-e6frg6nf-1111112419114

    ‘Sheik Hilali said there were women who “sway suggestively” and wore make-up and immodest dress … “and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years”.
    “But the problem, but the problem all began with who?” he asked.

    Sheik Hilali said: “If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it … whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?
    “The uncovered meat is the problem.”

    [It’s worth noting that subsequent to these remarks, Sheikh Hilali was reconfirmed by Muslims as Grand Mufti of Australia.]

    5. Another prominent Muslim cleric in Australia also pronounced justification for rape. See Sheikh Feiz Mohammad on the Muslim gang-rapes, anti-Semitism, and jihad (see http://www.smh.com.au/news/Miranda-Devine/Sheik-digs-himself-into-a-deeper-hole/2005/04/30/1114635787073.html )

    “A victim of rape every minute somewhere in the world. Why? No one to blame but herself,” he said. “She displayed her beauty to the entire world. She degraded herself by being an object of sexual desire.”

    ‘During the week, Sydney-born Faiz, 34, attempted to justify himself in an interview on Channel Nine, but only dug a deeper hole.’

    “What I meant is a lady, if she wears any kind of alluring clothes or adorning [sic] clothes or clothes that beautify her beauty, she is eligible for rape.” ‘Eligible for rape?’

    ‘Later, on Channel Ten, he tried again. “Maybe I should have said it another way, meaning they are attracting to themselves and are partly to blame but not fully to blame.”

    ‘…But it is not the first time the popular sheik, who *lectures twice a week at Liverpool’s Global Islamic Youth Centre*, has made extreme statements.’

    Anyone still have the front to cry “Islamophobia”, when Muslims themselves *own* their rape culture?

    • Angry Aussie says

      Nov 11, 2015 at 11:36 pm

      You beat me to it. Our own Grand Mufti, on Egyptian TV made the comparison between unveiled women and pieces of meat. He them loudly declared he was misunderstood when challenged over his obnoxious comments. Stupid kuffar! We never get it right.

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 10:52 am

      Excellent post from Lee.

      By the way, Hilaly was succeeded as Grand Mufti of Australia in 2007 by the much slyer, smoother Muslim snake, Fehmi Naji, of ostensibly impeccable Moderate credentials…

    • Michael Copeland says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 5:54 pm

      “Their women are yours to take, legitimately. Allah made them yours. Why don’t you enslave their women? Why don’t you wage jihad? Why don’t you pillage them?”
      Sheikh Saad al-Beraik,
      http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5919-islam-s-sex-slaves-in-britain

  11. somehistory says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    Back in September, moslims were calling for the German Ocktoberfest to be cancelled because they didn’t like all the drinking and dancing and other revelry that goes against the unholy immorals of the beast.

    The two guys in the U.S. refused to deliver beer, filed suit and were awarded money for the business *discriminated* against their religious views on alcohol.
    moslim taxi drivers won’t allow passengers to get in for a ride if the passenger is carrying alcohol. It isn’t because the bottle has been opened and the person desiring to ride is busily drinking…the view is the fact of the alcohol is prohibited and so the moslim must insist that no one imbibe.
    moslims who work in supermarkets refuse to handle alcohol…it can’t be taken through their checkout if they are cashiers…they refuse to ring alcohol and pork.

    Now these *migrants* who are taking over the country…making demands…getting welfare and housing provided…school kids being made to be their servants…are invading the businesses of recreation that allow things…alcohol being one…that moslims everywhere refuse to touch.

    And when they do get in, they harass the women who are not under the awful black bags of slavery.

    It will be a surprise if the business that keeps them out due to the trouble they cause is still open a few months from now. It will not be a surprise if the government forces them to allow the moslim troublemakers or close down their business.

    (Revelation 13)

  12. Swd says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 9:11 pm

    turf then all out they shouldn’t be there to begin with most f them aren’t refugees anyway u can easily tell a Paki from a Syrian.

  13. Charlie R. says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    “The club workers were then accused of being racist and called “Nazi pigs” by some guests of the club”

    In other words, the club regulars are a bunch of delusional politically correct idiots who think that these Muslim ‘migrants’ are just like them. Fine. Let the ‘migrants’ come in. And when these ‘migrants’ start sexually assaulting the club’s female clientele because they are wearing tight jeans or miniskirts instead of burkas, the club workers can just shrug their shoulders and say ‘You wanted these people in the club. Deal with it!”

  14. mike says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    The Ilsamofacist has no desire to assimilate with you and hang out with you. he wants you dead or subjugated under his 3rd century satanic beliefs.

  15. Arthur says

    Nov 11, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    Islam is as German as beer and bratwurst!

    BLACKADDER: Baldrick, do you know what irony is?
    BALDRICK: Yeah, it’s like tinny or brassy, only it’s made of iron.

    • Joseph says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 12:11 am

      Aurthur, and what would Mr. Bean have to say on the subject?

      BTW I’m American and I loved that show.
      Have you ever seen Father Ted?
      No wonder why no one around me gets my sense of humor.

      • Arthur says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 9:02 pm

        Thanks for the reply. I haven’t seen Father Ted, but will look it up.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 10:40 pm

        Have you heard the ludicrous story where huge numbers of Muslims thought that Rowan Atkinson(Mr. Bean) had converted to Islam?

        Here’s one semi-literate Muslim tool:

        “The News about Mr Bean (Rowan Atkinson) convert to Islam spread fast today. I search it in the Google. But there is no news about Rowan Atkinson convert to Islam in the big Media such as Time, The New York Times, Washington Post, etc.
        Only from some unknown online media with the source israellycool.com . What kind of media is that?”

        A good Anti-Jihad site, of course. What a buncha jibronis Mohammedans are!

        And Rowan Atkinson has actually been quite outspoken against “blasphemy” laws that crush freedom of speech:

        “But Mr Atkinson and his fellow critics oppose part of the bill which will create a new offence of incitement to religious hatred to protect faith groups, particularly Muslims, from attack…”

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4073997.stm

        • Paul says

          Nov 13, 2015 at 3:48 am

          And there was this quote by him :

          “What is wrong with inciting intense dislike of a religion if the
          activities or teaching of that religion are so outrageous, irrational
          or abusive of human rights that they deserve to be intensely disliked.”

          No idiot convert would say such a thing.

  16. dumbledoresarmy says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 12:36 am

    I hope the club has excellent CCTV coverage of all that transpires both inside the club and immediately outside. With any luck they have *footage* of Men of Middle Eastern Appearance (as we say in Australia; meaning…MUSLIM men) harassing women and girls in various ways.

    I hope they stick to their guns. Because if they *do*, some of their *sillier* clients may leave, but I wouldn’t be surprised if attendance went up, not down, in the long run, as they become known, on the grapevine, as one of the nicest and safest places for a girl to go for a good night out.

  17. dumbledoresarmy says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 1:05 am

    Further thought.

    I hope that all German jihadwatchers here present, posting or lurking, will immediately search up “the Bucklyn club in the town of Bad Tolz in Bavaria”, and send them a short letter expressing support for their stated policy (that is, denying entry to identifiable mohammedan males, the so-called ‘asylum seekers’) and encouraging them to stand firm and not back down.

    ALL signs of resistance to Islamisation must be encouraged. Whenever someone is fighting back, like in the case of this small-town nightclub refusing entry to Muslim males, and in the previous case – also from Germany – of the teachers who stated that girls should be warned to stay away from Muslim males, they must be massively supported.

    A nightclub like this could become a focal point for the Resistance, a place to meet, have fun, and…grow stronger.

  18. jura says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 1:35 am

    Dear Mr. Spencer.
    Please, use other source than Sputnik.
    Information in the article can be reliable, but Sputnik is not reliable at all.
    It is like trusting Deutsche Wochenschau when reporting the Katyn mass graves.
    Even if it is a reliable report, name of the press agency makes everything obscure.

  19. Baucent says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 1:36 am

    Letting young muslim men into a German nightclub is about as sensible as letting a cat into a bird shop. (No pun intended)

  20. Lisa says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 3:22 am

    I read in a different article that these men were following women to the toilets, calling them whores and trying to pay them for sex so there was actual harassment, not just the threat of it. I live in london and have been followed many times and I respond by being super aggressive. Im lucky that the guys following me just walked away and one even apologised and said he had misunderstood? But that the thing,these people are socialised like this. I blame our governments for putting us at risk while irresponsible politicians walk around with an entourage of body guards,who protects us? You can’t put a fox in a chicken coop. Just doesn’t work. These people are so sexually messed up that many dress infants in hijabs. So they are sexualising a child. How sick do you have to be as a culture but yeah,let’s keep bashing the Jews And importing psychiatric mental ward cases enmasse.

    • Lisa says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 3:30 am

      And furthermore, drinking is against their religion, why are they trying to enter places with this haram carry on.

      • particolor says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 4:10 am

        Because they forgot to take their Medication !! 🙂

  21. Charli Main says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 4:53 am

    There was a similar situation back in the 60s when the Paki invasion of Britain started to accelerate.
    Girls were being so relentlessly harassed by Paks in clubs that a” no unaccompanied males” rule was introduced.
    German clubs need to start doing this now. Its not racist to tell males, regardless of their skin colour, ” your welcome but bring a girl with you.

    • Porky The Crusader says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 9:32 am

      We don’t have to change our way of life or habit for these Assholes, at first they should not be in this village at all.

  22. duh_swami says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 5:24 am

    The tern, ‘uncovered meat’ was coined by an Australian Imam, named Hilqlli, or something like that. It was reported here on JW several years ago…
    Uncovered meat has the power to drive men mad The ;deprived’ Mahoundian and 13-16 year old boys are profoundly effected, I saw some uncovered meat when I was 13 and never got over it. It took me years of nude beach therapy before I realized you can look but not touch…before that I was in trouble for grabbing more than once…Allah was wise to prohibit uncovered meat as it has a profound effect om the pious.There is nothing quite like uncovered meat to interrupt a flow of pure thoughts. Uncovered meat or a dog, can definitely ruin prayer…

    • eduardo odraude says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 8:47 am

      The Mufti of Australia believes men are no better than feral alley cats. In other words, wild animals who have no self-control when they want something. That is the standard for Muslim men set by the leader of Islam in Australia. Wild animals.

      I suspect the West getting Islam is like the cancer one gets for engaging in too much unhealthy indulgence of too many kinds for too long. The World is sick or it would not be so vulnerable to the spreading cancer of Islam.

      • eduardo odraude says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 8:50 am

        In other words, in some ways, fighting Islam is only treating the symptom. It may be wise to treat symptoms, but if we don’t go deeper than that, and change ourselves, we may lose the battle with the illness.

      • Carolyn says

        Nov 12, 2015 at 11:40 am

        Muslim men are no better than feral alley cats–in fact that’s an insult to feral alley cats.

  23. Godwin says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 8:45 am

    Sweden being raped to death by Muslim immigrants.

  24. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 9:33 am

    … the owner of the Bucklyn club in the town of Bad Tolz in Bavaria, told his bouncers not to let a group of young male asylum seekers inside…

    Boy meets girls is an ancient industry that must never stop. The Moslems like to keep this process real orderly, but they’re willing to cheat here and there to get a shot at some white meat. It’s interesting that these asylum seekers wanted into a room filled with people downing booze, and where did they get the money to get in, nightclubs charge $4 for a Coke to those who won’t drink. No bar bill, no stay. Will this centuries old bar management tradition also be changed in the Progressive march to a more utopian society? Either way the Moslems win: either they get in for free and get their white women meat at the snap of the finger (remember, the girls were brought liberals), or the clubs go broke from sagging bar sales and shut down.

    Another ugly consideration is that even a drunk white liberal dude will fight when it comes to girls. Angela should start an education campaign to teach them to stand aside when the swarthy Moslem elbows in.

  25. BC says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 11:04 am

    Well they are breaking two rules of Islam anyway.
    1 they should not associate with women to whom they are not related or married.
    2 They should not be in a place where alcohol is sold and consumed
    So that is two reasons why they should be excluded.
    The third thing is that they do not know how to behave correctly around women,
    as they have never had the experience!

    • Carolyne says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 11:43 am

      The third rule is:

      3 They should never be allowed among civilized peoples.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 10:44 pm

      BC wrote:

      Well they are breaking two rules of Islam anyway.
      1 they should not associate with women to whom they are not related or married.
      …………………….

      This only applies to *Muslim* women, BC–Muslim men can harass and rape Kuffar women with complete impunity–and its all the woman’s fault, for being an uncovered Infidel whore.

  26. revereridesagain says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 1:29 pm

    Issue tasers to the ladies at the door. Stand back and watch the fun.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Nov 13, 2015 at 1:38 am

      Here’s another idea.

      Invest in dogs. Well-trained, glossy, no-nonsense dogs, the bigger and blacker the better. With handlers. As backup for the bouncers. They just sit quietly in the corner and watch and wait, and if trouble starts they move in to help.

      (And as a practical suggestion, right now I would argue that every Infidel household in that village that doesn’t have a good, big, well-trained guard dog, should invest in a couple).

      I foresee a run on Dobermans and German Shepherds, pretty soon, right across Germany.

      Infidel man’s best friend.

  27. Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    No woman is safe when is safe when MOSLEMS are around, they are savage over sexed barbarians.

  28. Daphne says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 3:40 pm

    In WW2 only about 7% of Germans were Nazis. Even IF only 1% of all Islamists were JIdhadis it would still mean about 8,000 of them out of 800,000. YET ALL Muslims donate to Jihad through their local Mosques! All Muslims donate to Shariah implementation by tithing at their local Mosque. All Muslims, at their local mosques are told that any woman not covered head to toe are whores.
    All Muslims are taught that Shariah Law is above any national law! Europe is committing suicide!

  29. Roger says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_GERMANY_FAR_RIGHT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-11-12-06-06-33

    Here come the police raids I warned about last week. I knew this would happen. Germany is spiralling out of control.
    Next will be a state of emergency declaration. Mark my words, civil war OR totalitarianism is coming for Germany in the next few years.

    • Charli Mian says

      Nov 13, 2015 at 2:59 am

      100% agree. The only problem being, that all those non Muslim immigrants living peacefully in Germany and thankful for the chance of a new live, will be targeted along with the Muslim filth causing ALL the problems. Neo Nazi/ Right Wing groups have never been slow to exploit the activities and behaviour of Muslims, to demonise ALL immigrants.

  30. Karl Pentel says

    Nov 12, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    I have studied in Uppsala Sweden and only once have I seen a “MAN” hit a Women in a student club, and I was there many many times. It started with an African student asking a tired Swedish women for a dance as she came off the dance floor glowing (sweaty…) and tired. She said a polite no thanks and went on her way, but the African student floored her with one mighty blow… I can not forget the sight..

    • Jack Diamond says

      Nov 12, 2015 at 10:37 pm

      You neglected to mention that the other male students then beat the shit out of the African “man”.
      They didn’t? Explain.

  31. steve says

    Nov 13, 2015 at 1:29 am

    If they close this club the owners and workers should go down to the licensing department and claim they converted to islam and just wanted to keep the peace according to the religion of p*88 or else they should do like things were done in wwii with the trouble makers so they can rest in peace though p*88 would be better.

  32. Kepha says

    Nov 13, 2015 at 5:40 am

    A little OT, but here’s some news about a bright spot in the European refugee crisis.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2014/may/12/iran-converted-christians-sanctuary-germany-muslim

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Nov 13, 2015 at 5:42 pm

      Thanks for that. Very interesting.

      The ‘Guardian’ has finally deigned to notice something that has in fact been going on for *decades*…long, long before the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Syria.

      All one has to do is look up Persian convert ‘Daniel Shayesteh’ and *his* story of coming to faith, out of Islam.

      I myself witnessed the baptism of an ex-Muslim from Persia, in our (strongly evangelical) ‘low church’ Anglican congregation in Sydney, in the late 1980s or early 1990s.

      I observed, having read the ‘Guardian’ article, that the – not very numerous – comments were rushing to try to cast doubt on *everything* reported in the article; they seemed to be either atheists mortally offended by the idea that anybody would actually choose to become a Christian ::shudder:: or else Muslims in masks, quite possibly Iranian Muslims, engaging in ‘well-poisoning’ (because, after all, if westerners can be convinced that *every* Muslim who professes faith in Christ and seeks baptism, should automatically be rejected as a fake, this will make life even harder for apostates than it already is).

      Post scriptum. There was one particularly interesting item in the report. It had to do with the historically Dhimmi communities in Iran, the Assyrians and Armenians.

      “Ethnic Armenians and Assyrians have also begun sharing Christianity with their Muslim neighbors and friends.”

      This, if true, is *incredibly* important. These communities have lived as Dhimmis for *centuries*…and the Dhimma, the ‘Conditions’ of Omar, explicitly forbids all public expression of Christian faith (display of crosses, ringing of bells, singing of hymns loud enough to be heard by Muslim passersby, display of Christian books, Christian religious processions in public, *and* evangelism). If *they* are starting to communicate the faith to Muslims around them, this means that they are *breaking the Dhimma*…they are overcoming *centuries* of fear, *centuries* of cruel conditioning. This is nothing short of miraculous; PRAY for them, pray that it will continue, that the curse and bondage of the Dhimma will be completely removed from them.

      (Have you read Mark Durie’s “The Third Choice” and, especially, the companion booklet, “Liberty to the Captives”? Durie speaks of the Dhimma pact as a ‘blood covenant’, imposing a very real spiritual bondage on those who accept it and on their descendants if they do not consciously renounce it. “Liberty to the Captives” has some very, very interesting stuff in its final pages, to do with what has to happen *both* with Dhimmis – or descendants of Dhimmi communities – *and* with persons leaving Islam, if they are to be liberated from spiritual oppression. I would hope that “Liberty to the Captives” is being translated into German, and other European languages, for the benefit of persons like the Pastor mentioned in the article you linked. Because it has a very practical pastoral care focus…and the recommendations made, have been “road-tested” with actual ex-Dhimmis and ex-Muslims, with good results).

      • Kepha says

        Nov 13, 2015 at 6:50 pm

        I ought to read Mark Durie. I fear that most of my Christian reading these days has been of authors dead for more than three centuries–including some who’ve been in heaven for about 1800 years or longer.

  33. voegelinian says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 2:09 am

    I’m done with you all.

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