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Islamic State says bomb in soda can brought down Russian airliner

Nov 18, 2015 2:49 pm By Robert Spencer

This shows that all the elaborate air security measures to which we are subjected at airports are useless; security forces are always one step behind the jihadis, who do not repeat themselves, but instead always devise new ways to murder. We’re still taking off our shoes while they have moved on to soda cans. And those who think, Well, you can’t take a soda can from an unsecured area onto an airplane, so all is well, should consider that you can get the other components into the secured area easily enough, and buy a soda once there.

We need intelligent and politically incorrect airport security, that will take into account the real sources of the threat to airplanes. But that is not remotely forthcoming.

Islamic State bomb Russian airliner Reuters photo

“Islamic State says ‘Schweppes bomb’ used to bring down Russian plane,” Reuters, November 18, 2015:

CAIRO – Islamic State’s official magazine carried a photo on Wednesday of a Schweppes drink it said was used to make an improvised bomb that brought down a Russian airliner over Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula last month, killing all 224 people on board.

The photo showed a can of Schweppes Gold soft drink and what appeared to be a detonator and switch on a blue background, three simple components that if genuine are likely to cause concern for airline safety officials worldwide.

“The divided Crusaders of the East and West thought themselves safe in their jets as they cowardly bombarded the Muslims of the Caliphate,” the English language Dabiq magazine said in reference to Russia and the West. “And so revenge was exacted upon those who felt safe in the cockpits.”

Western governments have said the plane was likely brought down by a bomb and Moscow confirmed on Tuesday it had reached the same conclusion, but the Egyptian government says it has still not found evidence of criminal action.

Islamic State also published a photo of what it said were passports belonging to dead Russians “obtained by the mujahideen.” It was not immediately possible to verify the authenticity of the published photos.

The group, which has seized large swathes of Syria and Iraq, said it had exploited a loophole at Sharm al-Sheikh airport, where the plane originated, in order to smuggle a bomb on board.

The airport is widely used by budget and charter airlines to fly tourists to the nearby resorts on the Sinai coast.

Islamic State said it had initially planned to bring down a plane belonging to a country participating in the U.S.-led coalition bombing it in Syria and Iraq, but it changed course after Moscow started its own air strikes campaign in Syria.

“A bomb was smuggled onto the airplane, leading to the deaths of 219 Russians and five other crusaders only a month after Russia’s thoughtless decision,” it said.

Egypt’s interior minister told a news conference in Sharm al-Sheikh on Tuesday that there was “no information” about security lapses at the airport….

Did he say that while sipping from a can of Schweppes?

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Comments

  1. Infidela says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 2:54 pm

    Egyptians never admit to any problems that involve air security. When an Egyptian piilot committed suicide by crashing his plane, the Egyptian government refused to entertain the idea.

    • Peggy says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 4:36 pm

      Just wondering, how’s security supposed to pick up on someone about to commit suicide, especially when they can look as normal as us?

      • Undaunted says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 7:49 pm

        If we’re talking about a suicide-bomber on a plane, the link below may help answer some of your question, Peggy.

        http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2010/01/jasper-schuringa.html

        The thing to remember is that security going to blow it, count on it. That leaves it up to us.

        • Peggy says

          Nov 19, 2015 at 4:15 am

          I was referring to the post saying that a pilot crashed the plane on purpose. How is security supposed to pick up a jihadi pilot?

        • Undaunted says

          Nov 19, 2015 at 6:58 am

          This might help, then. There is more, will add later.

          http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2009/05/herefemale-bomber-who-had-5you-wher.html

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 19, 2015 at 3:41 pm

          As long as Muslim pilots are flying, there is no real way to guard against a Jihadi pilot. That is why I would *never* fly on a Muslim air line.

        • Undaunted says

          Nov 19, 2015 at 9:01 pm

          Ways to perhaps tell if your pilot is about to commit suicide with you on board begin on the ground, before take-off. And the better you know the pilot, the better chance you have of discerning the subtle clues. You have to know what he was like, looked like, smelled like, talked like before he made his jihadi commitment. The first four signs, below, might be something you can discern without knowing the guy, but the fifth will require that you have some familiarity with the pilot/co-pilot.

          1) Did he wear a beard but now he’s clean shaven? Ritual hygiene; he’s getting ready to meet his virgins.

          2) Smells like he bathed in cologne? Same thing: ritual hygiene… paradise just ’round the corner.

          3) He may be sweating for no apparent reason. Others may be in control of his loved ones, threatening to kill them if he doesn’t fly his plane into the ground and he may be nervous or appear sad for that reason.

          4) He may be looking over his shoulder to see if TSA is going to pop him before he gets to the plane, as though he’s hiding something.

          5) He was outgoing and friendly to everyone but now he’s withdrawn, looking like he’s deep in thought or prayer, because maybe he is deep in prayer as suggested in the link I posted above, muttering to his god.

          Really a tough thing to discern reliably, but these may be clues upon which to make a decision to stay on board or catch the next flight.

  2. somehistory says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    This brings back to mind the moslim woman who wanted an unopened drink on a flight some months ago.
    One just never knows as the mindset of a moslim is so focused on killing…murder any which way they *can.*

  3. Mo says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 3:27 pm

    Oh, great. Look for the morons in charge to now start removing all soda machines from airports.

    Wow, this reminds me of the phrase, “inventors of evil”, from Romans 1, where Paul is describing the state of mankind:

    “And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.”

  4. Westman says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 3:42 pm

    This doesn’t compute.

    The cans are under 400 ml. For water 1ml = 1 gram. The Russian estimate was the device had a yield of 1Kg or better of TNT and was homemade explosive.

    For TNT, more than two cans would be required, since 1Kg = 1000 grams. 1000g/400g > 2.

    Since water will be more dense (heavier per unit volume) than explosive, and the homemade explosive would be even less effective than TNT, I seriously doubt that 1Kg of TNT would fit in 3 cans and the less effective home made explosive(to get 1Kg TNT equivalent) probably wouldn’t fit in 4 or more cans. This wasn’t a single can bomb.

    This device had to be a carry on satchel, briefcase, or luggage like bomb with a volume much greater than a single can of soda or beer or something stowed in the galley by an airport worker, perhaps in the food loaded before the flight. What checks are there on airport loaded food packages?

    • Don McKellar says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 4:15 pm

      It wasn’t TNT. It was a different, more powerful explosive. There are lots of those, you know. Imagine a soda can of, say, nitro glycerine. Although I don’t think it was that particular explosive.

      • Don McKellar says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 4:16 pm

        They’re just giving a yield estimate number. Sort of like talking about megatons when discussing the yield of atomic bombs.

      • WCM says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 4:48 pm

        Think binary explosives. Tiny amount; large bang!

      • Westman says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 5:04 pm

        Nitroglycerine is unstable and must be in an absorbant binder that adds weight an greatly increases volume. In usable form it is not as effective/unit volume as TNT. No listed explosive has a yield greater than 2.4 times TNT, and the next to highest is 1.95. Typical average is around 1.33. Where terrorists would get the chemicals for the high yield is questionable.

        My assumptions about the density of TNT was wrong, the actual density is 1.6 times that of water. However the Schweppes cans are only 355ml. So 1000kg/355g = 2.8. We’ll scale that due to the greater density. 2.8 cans/1.6 = 1.75 cans/1Kg TNT. Room must be allowed for the detonator and plugs. There is no way a single can bomb had 1Kg TNT ability.

        I’m stickin’ to it. It was not a single can bomb.

        • Joseph says

          Nov 18, 2015 at 5:39 pm

          Westman,
          I think the biggest argument against the soda can is the source itself, the Islamic state.

          What the West should be afraid of is;
          WHO are the baggage handlers?
          Who services the planes?
          Who cleans the planes?
          Who is on the tarmac?

        • Westman says

          Nov 18, 2015 at 6:47 pm

          I tend to agree Joseph. It probably came in the “back door”.

        • Don McKellar says

          Nov 18, 2015 at 7:39 pm

          Well, you can stick to your theory, but the reality is even 250 grams (half a pound) of Semtex destroyed Pan Am Flight 103 in 1988. Al they can do is estimate how powerful the bomb was this time.

        • Westman says

          Nov 18, 2015 at 8:02 pm

          I agree, it could, Don, with the right placement. The Russians said it happened at the rear of the passenger deck, not the cargo hold. I’ll still go with a more sophisticated, timed or altitude controlled detonation, not a suicide operation with a can.

        • Budvarakbar says

          Nov 19, 2015 at 1:09 am

          Actually I think that you are just plain stuck!

    • anonamustafa says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 6:50 pm

      The active ingredient was Pop Rocks.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_Rocks#Urban_legend

    • Undaunted says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 8:01 pm

      Meals and drinks going on airplanes are supposed to be checked by explosive-sniffing dogs and perhaps by doing chemical swabs on packaging like they do sometimes at airport ticket counters.

      The problem arises when the people with access to the food and drink, who are all “vetted” and “cleared” are only cleared in the sense that they have no criminal record that can be found and don’t show up on any of the watch-lists. I know for a fact that many Muslims work for the companies that cook food, package it, transport it to the tarmac, and load it, including canned drinks, onto AC.

      There are many ways to get explosives onto planes using food and beverage people and packaging.

  5. Don McKellar says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    In a country that relies so heavily on tourism, of course the unscrupulous moslem authorities aren’t going to say anything about any dangers of problems for air travelers if at all possible. They are only slightly less devout moslems than the Islamic State jihadis when it comes down to it.

    • Peggy says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 4:39 pm

      Tourism in those countries has stopped years ago.

      • Westman says

        Nov 18, 2015 at 5:38 pm

        I planned on going there with the wife before the “Arab Spring” changed my mind.

        • Peggy says

          Nov 19, 2015 at 4:17 am

          Tourists were being killed in Egypt long before Arab Spring.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 19, 2015 at 6:05 pm

          Very true, Peggy. My mother-in-law docented at a well-known collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts in the US, and went to Egypt with a museum group. This was pre-9/11–but was still after the horrific Luxor massacre in 1997, where Jihadists slaughtered 62 people–mostly tourists visiting ancient Egyptian sites.

          This is something I’d like to do–but hell if I’d go now.

      • george says

        Dec 1, 2015 at 6:16 am

        It’s cold all the time in Russia, it wasn’t cold where they were going. Down in Australia here it can get cold, we had a cold winter for our standards but not now!

  6. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    This shows that all the elaborate air security measures to which we are subjected at airports are useless.

    May I resuscitate my proposal from a few years ago? I was disappointed it wasn’t adopted then.

    Moslem Air

    Put together a program where all Dar al-Harb nations have a regular airline and a Moslem-only airline, the latter called Moslem Air. Buy a ton of used MD80 airframes to haul Moslem passengers, the used airliner market is glutted with them, they’re cheap and a real nasty noisy ride.

    Don’t let any Moslem ground workers near an Infidel airliners, but give them full access to all Moslem Air planes, which would be remotely piloted by vets from the USAF drone program, Moslem pilots could not be allowed for fear of them flying a Moslem Air flight into a skyscraper to kill thousands of Infidels and in the same stroke deliver all the hairy Moslem Men aboard to Jannat, the Islam porno heaven.

    There would need to be separate terminal facilities for civilized people and Moslems. Security lines and TSA frisk and fondle episodes would end, it’s be like the good old days, the pre-Global Jihad days. This plan can work, I tell you.

    • Don McKellar says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 7:44 pm

      This is an excellent proposal which would solve most air travel problems. A real win for free, advanced people everywhere — which is who we truly need to start focusing our efforts on. All those billions thrown away on retarded moslems and all those lives lost and nothing accomplished. It could be so much different.

  7. abad says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    Muslims should be completely banned not only from airplanes but airports period.

  8. mortimer says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 6:21 pm

    No doubt the timing device resembled a digital clock cleverly concealed in a pencil case.

    • Budvarakbar says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 1:14 am

      Yeh — this soda can guy will be invited to the WH anytime now – 3 – 2 – 1 —

  9. Undaunted says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 6:38 pm

    The link below includes a lot of information about safety on public transportation and some more on how security guards are letting you down, as well. Trying to, again, make the point that you need to have a plan and the training and gear to carry it out.

    http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2013/11/securitas-et-al.html

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 6:45 pm

      Thanks for reposting this, Undaunted.

  10. Angemon says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 7:19 pm

    Islamic State’s official magazine carried a photo on Wednesday of a Schweppes drink it said was used to make an improvised bomb that brought down a Russian airliner over Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula last month, killing all 224 people on board.

    Just one thing: why are they telling their MO rather than using it again?

    • somehistory says

      Nov 18, 2015 at 8:45 pm

      So when you get on a plane and see drink cans, you will be afraid. So governments will react by taking all drinks off flights and people will complain about their freedom to have a drink when flying taken away because of terrorists.
      Telling how they did it, won’t stop them from doing it again…unless all drinks are prohibited.

      • Budvarakbar says

        Nov 19, 2015 at 1:16 am

        Isn’t it amazing how simple it was to answer that question!

  11. TheBuffster says

    Nov 18, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    I’m a bit confused here.

    In the coke can incident the issue was that the server opened the Coke can.

    So to make a soda can bomb, does the carbonated beverage still need to be in the can? I find it difficult to believe an unopened can of soda could make a powerful enough bomb to bring down a plane. How does it work? (I suppose this is not something we’d want to explain online for just anyone to see.)

    Also, traces of TNT were found in the plane. If you’ve got TNT, why would you need an unopened can of carbonated beverage? I can see why you might try to smuggle your TNT inside a can, but the can would have to have been opened for that. And it wouldn’t be a can you bought on the plane.

    It seems to me that a good reason to open a can for a passenger would be to prevent the passenger shaking the can, on purpose or by accident, and causing a freakin’ mess when the can was opened. Or perhaps, under pressure at 30,000, the can could blow up before being opened, if it’s shaken around enough? I don’t know. But I sure need to know more than I do now before I decide what I think of all this.

    • somehistory says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 3:10 pm

      I don’t know how they used the can or what they used for the explosive. What made me think of the other incident is that it was so ridiculous, there had to be a real *reason* behind it.

      She may have wanted money from the airline. She may have just wanted to exert the power of her scarf and all of the subjugation for which it stands. Maybe both.
      But now that a can has been used, it seems there could have been another ulterior motive behind her actions.
      What is they had wanted to establish that moslims would be allowed to choose their own soda can and open it themselves…every time they wished to.
      What if a moslim…and they fill the airports around the country in positions all over…in front and behind the scenes…was in charge of seeing what food and drinks were placed on board of a particular flight…or all of them on a shift…and a specific kind of drink was really not a drink at all, but the bomb materials…and a certain moslim passenger was to request that particular drink and be allowed to open his/her own can. And the can was *marked* where the passenger would know to choose that certain can.

      Was this part of the moslim woman’s plan when she threw a fit about opening her own can? IDK. I just think it is a possibility. A trial run to get things started…to find out if she could get her way, to be able to request a certain can of drink…or to get alcohol to be banned on flights because beer is, at least sometimes, given to passengers unopened and this could start a banning ball rolling.

      After studying anti-terrorism and criminal subjects for several years, one learns that terrorists let nothing stand in their way of causing terror.

  12. Baucent says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 2:34 am

    This act of air terror has put the spotlight on a glaring weakness of the international air security measures in place since 9/11 and other attempts like the “shoe bomber”; and that was to place too much emphasis on screening the passengers and not enough thought about security threats posed by airport and airline workers with security clearances. This is particularly the case in airports in countries that have a significant muslim population. That includes Europe.
    What is now obvious is those people walking around aircraft before take off in overalls, have ample opportunity to place a bomb in the hold or undercarriage. What about catering contractors, is every sealed cooked meal x-rayed? I doubt it.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 7:12 pm

      This was true on 9/11, as well. I read several times that box-cutters were left for the Jihadist by someone on airplane cleaning staff–then I never heard much of a follow-up.

      Muslims are all over airports–especially facilities like Minneapolis and Heathrow. Suicidal madness.

  13. worldcitizen1919 says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 6:55 am

    Th question that needs to be asked is how to end terrorism for good. What has caused it and how to all step back? Tit for tat revenge killings is not the answer and only fuelling the conflict.

    Attacking Islam and their Prophet and Quran is also not a way to end the conflict.

    In the end, like in all wars, there must come a time when everyone sits down and talks and tries to work out something satisfactory. It’s unrealistic to obliterate 1.6 billion Muslims as they have nukes too and apartheid is also not an answer.

    Western government will have to take some responsibility for fuelling this conflict with all the dictators they’ve installed and Islamic countries bombed killing many innocent women and children.

    The world cannot find a military solution to this. It must be a political settlement. Otherwise it will continue until we have a full blown nuclear war.

    • Baucent says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 7:56 am

      “In the end, like in all wars, there must come a time when everyone sits down and talks and tries to work out something satisfactory.” so says Worldcitizen1919

      I think you are a little naive WC1919, if you knew anything about the ideology and mind set of fanatics who will gladly blow themselves up for the cause, and do it with a smile, there will never come a time “when everyone sits down and talks”,
      There is no political solution, two opposite world views are in a struggle to the death.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 7:53 pm

      worldcitizen1919 wrote:

      Th question that needs to be asked is how to end terrorism for good. What has caused it and how to all step back?
      …………………………………….

      If by “terrorism” you mean Jihad, it is fueled by the ideology of Islam. Read the Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira, and educate yourself about the horrifying history of Islam spread by the sword.

      More:

      Tit for tat revenge killings is not the answer and only fuelling the conflict.
      …………………………………….

      “Fuelling (sic) the conflict”? Then you believe we should do nothing to resist Jihad lest it cause–well–Jihad?

      If you actually mean that we need a real game plan so that we don’t make the same foolish mistakes we made in Iraq and Afghanistan, then I agree. Somehow, though, I rather doubt that’s what you have in mind…

      More:

      Attacking Islam and their Prophet and Quran is also not a way to end the conflict.
      …………………………………….

      Criticizing the violence of Islam and how this is done on the model of the “Prophet” is intended to educate Infidels about the Jihad threat. Do you believe we should not be allowed to criticize the very ideology that is being used to murder us?

      Do you believe, in the same way, that Churchill and the rest of the Allied leaders should not not have been allowed to speak critically of Hitler and Fascism?

      More:

      In the end, like in all wars, there must come a time when everyone sits down and talks and tries to work out something satisfactory.
      …………………………………….

      The only thing that would be “satisfactory” to pious Muslims is our complete and utter submission to Islam, either as forced converts or else as dhimmis and slaves. Are you willing to agree to these terms?

      Muslims have only stood down historically when we show them that they cannot win against us. This is why Jihad–while it *never* disappeared–was at a low ebb after the beginning of the 19th century for over 150 years.

      More:

      It’s unrealistic to obliterate 1.6 billion Muslims as they have nukes too and apartheid is also not an answer.
      …………………………………….

      Why is it that whenever Infidels dare opine that we would prefer it if Muslims were not massacring us in our own streets, that some idiots immediately take this as a threat to commit genocide? Good grief…

      And you may regard anything less than flooding our nations with more Jihadists as “apartheid”, but the fact is that containment is the *only* thing that has worked against Jihad historically.

      More:

      Western government will have to take some responsibility for fuelling this conflict with all the dictators they’ve installed and Islamic countries bombed killing many innocent women and children.
      …………………………………….

      What crap. The Muslim world has *always* had dictators–how could it be otherwise, when Islam rejects the concept of freedom and democracy? Some of them are just more heinous or aggressive towards us than are others.

      And the West has *never* targeted women and children or any civilians–would that the same were true of Jihadists.

      Do you thing that a soccer stadium, concert venue, or Cambodian restaurant can be considered *military* targets?

      More:

      The world cannot find a military solution to this. It must be a political settlement. Otherwise it will continue until we have a full blown nuclear war.
      …………………………………….

      You can surrender to Islam if you so desire. Most of us intend to resist. And resistance is not just military.

    • TheBuffster says

      Nov 20, 2015 at 7:23 am

      WORLDCITIZEN1919 said: “Th question that needs to be asked is how to end terrorism for good. What has caused it and how to all step back? Tit for tat revenge killings is not the answer and only fuelling the conflict.”

      “Tit for tat revenge killings” certainly wouldn’t be effective policy, since getting killed in the cause of Allah is dearly hoped for by jihadists. And “revenge” isn’t what I’d call a strategy, anyway. When dealing with an enemy who wants to kill or enslave you, you kill them in order to get rid of the threat.

      That’s not revenge, that’s self-defense.

      What’s fueling this conflict is what has been fueling Islam’s conflicts with non-Muslims for 1400 years: Islamic doctrine.

      WORLDCITIZEN1919: “Attacking Islam and their Prophet and Quran is also not a way to end the conflict.”

      Seeking out the whole truth and nothing but the truth and stating it out loud, over and over again, and proving one’s case, is *exactly* the way to deal with a destructive ideology that is motivating people to kill for the glory of their god. For those Muslims who try to pretend to themselves that the Koran and Sunna do not command them to subjugate unbelievers through war, hearing non-Muslims quote their religious texts in evidence of Islam’s malevolent nature should lead them to read those texts for themselves (as many have not) and to examine them honestly. Doing so has certainly been the catalyst that has lead many Muslims to become ex-Muslims.

      This is one thing that needs to happen.

      Also, those non-Muslims who don’t understand what we’re up against need to know it and face it so that they can see what strategies are not likely to work, and which ones are more likely.

      Attacking the doctrine that commands its followers to subjugate others is *necessary* if this conflict is ever going to end. Refusing to look at the doctrine as it is, trying to rationalize it into something that is nicer than what the texts support, is not going to change the minds of those who take the whole text seriously and strive to live by Mohammad’s Warlord example.

      WORLDCITIZEN1919: “In the end, like in all wars, there must come a time when everyone sits down and talks and tries to work out something satisfactory. It’s unrealistic to obliterate 1.6 billion Muslims as they have nukes too and apartheid is also not an answer.”

      Like in most wars, there comes a time when one side is so badly beaten that it surrenders because it can’t take anymore destruction. *Then* they are willing to sit down and talk.

      Nobody wants to obliterate 1.6 billion Muslims. For one thing, not all of those 1.6 billion Muslims really follow Islam. Not all of them are interested in being at war with us and instead prefer life on this earth and living in the modern world, and are happy to just abide by some harmless cultural traditions. It’s the ones who aim to conquer or die, or to give aid and comfort to those who do, who are at war with the rest of us.

      To those people, who are on a mission from Allah, the only satisfactory outcome is to establish a caliphate and to make it grow to cover all of humanity by whatever means necessary – or to die trying so that they can get their jihadist’s reward in paradise.

      How do you negotiate with that?

      You can’t. If they’re losing, they might be willing to accept a temporary truce – as Mohammad did – until they have built back the strength to try again. But those who believe in Allah’s command to subjugate the unbeliever are not going to surrender permanently. You can’t negotiate with Allah; you can only obey him and go to paradise or disobey him and risk an eternity of hell.

      “Western government will have to take some responsibility for fuelling this conflict with all the dictators they’ve installed and Islamic countries bombed killing many innocent women and children.”

      Islam is not a democracy. It is theocracy.

      If you try to make a democracy in an Islamic region, you will find that sectarian religious violence will override rational debate and peaceful political competition. Somebody will rise to the top. If it’s a secularist, he’ll suppress the theocratic attempts to try to suppress everyone else, but he’s not likely to want to give theocrats the chance to vote themselves into power – and vice versa. So you get a secular dictatorship.

      Under these circumstances it’s not surprising that the ruling person or group in an undemocratic country will become corrupt and tyrannical to some degree.

      If there’s going to be a dictator in power anyway, it’s not surprising that Western leaders sought to install or keep in power dictators who seemed the most friendly to Western interests. But as we’ve seen, when we’ve tried to help uninstall them it’s not the champions of freedom and democracy who are likely win the day. Allahu Akbar.

      There is no permanent settlement with jihadist Muslims, who take their marching orders from Allah. They aim to make the Caliphate rise again, however many people have to die and however long it takes.

      Have you not noticed how often Israel has negotiated with the Palestinian leaders? How many concessions and compromises Israel has made? How, when the Palestinians don’t get everything they wanted, they go all “Intifada” against Israel, even when Israel has shown cooperation? When Israel pulled all the settlements out of Gaza, they got a missile barrage thank-you.

      And if you’ll read the Islamic canon, you’ll find that according to Allah and Mo, Jews are permanent enemies of the Muslims, never to be trusted. And before the Last Day comes, Muslims must make a big slaughter of them. So why should serious Muslims – the literalist, fundamentalist, jihad-embracing, paradise-loving Muslims – tolerate Jews having their own nation on a tiny scrap of land that was once dominated by the Muslims?

      It’s the same thing with the Palestinians as it is with Islamic State – you can’t negotiate with that. You can only surrender to it or fight for your life.

  14. Carolyne says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 10:09 am

    Cool bomb, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? The UN? MIT? Facebook?”

  15. Peggy says

    Nov 21, 2015 at 9:07 am

    “To forgive the terrorists is up to God but to send them to him is up to me.”
    If only Putin had actually said this. Maybe he believes in it would be wonderful.

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