These girls all learned this from their parents. This is the atmosphere they absorb at home. So Europe is bringing in hundreds of thousands more Muslims. What could possibly go wrong?
“Italy: Muslim pupils refuse to observe minute of silence for Paris victims,” Diversity Macht Frei, November 19, 2015 (thanks to C. Cantoni):
Six girls decided not to commemorate the victims of the Paris massacres. Six pupils at a technical institute in Varese, all Muslim, the children of North-African immigrants, rose from their seats on Sunday afternoon and left the classroom during the minute of silence the school held in homage to those who died in Bataclan, the Stade de France, the Paris bars and all the places frequented by their contemporaries.
…
They want to understand why we commemorate Paris but not the Russian aeroplane or Beirut,” a teacher told ANSA [news agency].

Red Bee says
In Dutch elementary schools Muslim kids shouted Allah Akbar according to the Telegraaf, (the biggest Dutch newspaper).
gary fouse says
Here is the Telegraaf article. It happened in several schools.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/24765445/__Minuut_stilte_verstoord__.html
“UTRECHT –
Op meerdere scholen in Nederland hebben leerlingen maandag de minuut stilte verstoord voor de slachtoffers van de aanslagen in Parijs. Ze riepen bijvoorbeeld ‘Allahu akbar’ (Allah is groot) of ze praatten door de herdenking heen. De Stichting School en Veiligheid, een organisatie die scholen kan adviseren, zegt dat donderdag na een bericht van het Reformatorisch Dagblad. Het is niet bekend of de verstoorders de aanslagen steunden of alleen baldadig waren.”
At several schools in the Netherlands, pupils on Monday disturbed a minute of silence for the victims of the attacks in Paris. They shouted, “Allahu Akhbar” (God is great) or talked during the commemoration. The School Safety Institute, which advises schools, reported that Thursday in a report from the Reformist Daily. It is not known if the disruptors supported the attacks or were just being mischievous.
jayell says
Well, this is just plain deliberate artocious manners and bare-faced insolence, way beyond what you might call simply ‘lack of consideration’. They are continuing to demonstrate beyond all question that they are simply NOT appropriate ‘citizen’ material for Europe, or anywhere else civilised. They are asking to be thrown out. We have two choices here; kowtow to every litttle nicety of ‘human rights’ and allow them to carry on with their repulsive attitudes and disruptive behaviour, or insist on your standards of cicvility and denecency. So, undemocratic, illilberal or however it may seem. you take some time to go through the records of any institutions (e.g., mosques, schools, colleges) or available job applications etc. where ‘religion’ is mentioned, and identify the FAMILIES that appear as ‘muslim’, or associated addresses, withdraw citizenship of ALL concerned immediately, don’t give them time to appeal but themdeport to the countries from which the familiy orignally came. If they want to make a fuss let them do so and make a nuisance of themselves (as usual) from over there. They’ve made their bed. Now is the time for them to lie it. They’re good at ‘lying’ anyway!
jayell says
Sorry about the typos. It was supposed to read ‘civility’ and decency’, but then most muslims reading this wouldn’t recognise the words anyway you mis-spell them!
Charli Main says
@jeyell
as you of course already know, its become common practice for Muslims to refuse to stand in British courts for the judge and Muslim women to refuse to take burkas off.
Even worse, we let this Muslim scum get away their public demonstrations, that they are not subject to or recognise the laws of Britain.
NO other immigrant group, living in Britain, behaves in this ignorant manner——ONLY Muslims.
particolor says
They have a Party for ISIS Paradise Departures instead !
Jack McCall says
Jayell you are spot on.
manuel paleologus says
I agree with your statement. The muslims should all be deported to other muslim countries which share the same crazy so called ‘religion’. Since they do not accept the culture of the hosting country why they should be given social assistance since they hate us.
An upcoming global social and cultural conflict is on the making.
BC says
Either way it is unacceptable and they should be punished.
Just one more example of the failure of Muslims to think they are a part of European society
tamimisledus says
muslims have never attempted to think they are part of European society.
Their allegiance to the xenophobic doctrine of islam tells them not to.
They have succeeded in expressing their hatred and contempt for anyone or anything that is not islamic (which includes the societies they always claim to respect)
David Ramseur says
If I were a fellow pupil in that class, as soon as the minute of silence ended, I would deck at least one of those Muslim kids in the face with all of my might. Play a little knock out game. Hopefully the fad would catch on and these little devils would not bring their Islamic filth to the school anymore!
Shane says
There are no moderate Muslims; they are all Soldiers of Allah like Nidal Hassan and the Tsarnaev brothers.
mezcukor says
I agree with you. Kick theses girls out of school.
vlparker says
And yet, clueless politicians insist that there are ‘moderate’ muslims.
mortimer says
vlparker believes there are no ‘moderate’ Muslims. There are…but they are ‘reformers’ and they are considered heretics who should be executed. In the Islamic state, such people are being executed.
The ‘moderates’ have liberalized Islam to be more compatible with Islam, but in so doing, they are saying that Islam was never ‘complete’, ‘perfect’ or ‘eternal’…which is the canonical opinion of Islam’s ‘consensus’.
The ‘moderates’ would not be tolerated in most Muslim countries and would be killed by vigilantes if they were outspoken. Only in Europe and America can ‘moderates’ speak and when they do, many have the irritating habit of speaking for all Muslims, when in fact they speak for a small percentage that still haven’t completely apostasized and dropped out or else just couldn’t give a damn about the medieval Death Cult, misogyny and other crap.
Jacksonl03 says
If one believes in Islam, even moderately, (for which I have no certain definition) one has to believe that Muslims are superior to all others and thus feels no need to observe the customs of the country they happen to live in. These students have no intention of assimilating into Italian culture or becoming true Italian citizens. They expect all Italians will become Muslims eventually . . . or else.
manuel paleologus says
They all should be expelled immediately. They now the political leaders are stupid and liberals. Italy must stop this invasion or will become muslim in just 10-20 years.
KnowThyEnemy says
What is a “moderate Muslim”, mortimer? Is it someone who only moderately believes that Quran is from God, and only moderately believes that Muhammad was God’s messenger?
I only moderately believe that planet Earth is round like a ball. In practice, how is my belief different from someone who strongly believes the same??
gravenimage says
Not all–“moderate” Muslims are reformers. In fact, many Muslims too lax to wage violent Jihad themselves still support more pious Muslims who do.
PRCS says
“Not all–“moderate” Muslims are reformers. In fact, many Muslims too lax to wage violent Jihad themselves still support more pious Muslims who do.”
Many and support are the key words. Additionally, there is that group which knows what Islam teaches but are apathetic and don’t necessarily support those more pious Muslims.
In neither case, would a rational person use the word “all”.
Which makes clear the thinking driving HRC’s statement that (all) Muslims are peaceful and hard working.
Mark says
Moderate muslim… a muslim doing warfare lying to try to get a foot in the door.
Moderate muslim, muslims doing the normal thats not real islam lies to every incident where evil muslims, do evil things, following the evil thing in the evil evil quran detailing evil muhamads evil actions.
Moderte muslim, a word made up by western idiots ignorant of islams core mainstream teachings – quran, hadit and sira.
Bangu says
gravenimage,
Thank you.
Christianblood says
And how are the infidels reacting to all this?
RichardL says
Some commentators here on Jihad Watch still have not understood that there is a difference between an evil ideology (islam) and people practicing a version of that ideology (Muslims). If you do not differentiate between these simple constructs, how can you differentiate between the political and the religious elements of the ideology?
I know many wonderful people who are Muslims. They simply ignore and deny all the hellish aspects of the ideology. Do I trust these people? No, I don´t because they carry the disease in them. Do I throw them in the same pot as Muslim activists? No, of course not.
The solution in the civilised world can only be to ban political islam (no mosques, no beards, short trousers, shaved upper lips, skull caps, headscarves, etc.) If Muslims want to headbang in their homes that´s fine.
ECAW says
I don’t give a rat’s ass whether someone believes a man flew to Jerusalem on a donkey or even that their bugaboo god intends to torture me forever.
But…not trusting people is a fairly important pot to throw people in. Personally I don’t regard as wonderful anyone I don’t trust.
And…I look forward to a day when any hint of sharia and at least the Medinan verses of the Koran are classed as sedition but you want to ban shaved upper lips and short trousers? They are not the active ingredients and new signifiers would be found to play cat and mouse with you.
suh_swami says
Man, you shire is smart…Smarter than posters who have been doing their Islamic homework many years,,How many ‘versions’ of Isl;m are there?
Jack McCall says
vlparker These so called polotitians should all be hanged for treason, for what they have allowed to happen to Europe. I mean it, hang them.
manuel paleologus says
Amen. They are all the same. Muslim will always be a muslim. There is not moderate or extremist muslim. They are all MUSLIM.
cs says
ANd I want to know what they are doing in Italy? Collecting money from the Gov?
Westman says
“They want to understand why we commemorate Paris but not the Russian aeroplane or Beirut,…”
Because the Paris Tragedy was an Islamic Terrorist assault on Western culture, not a conflict between states. Refusing to observe the minute of silence confirms that these Muslim students have no allegiance to Italy, as requred by Islam, and consider themselves to be only of the Ummah.
KnowThyEnemy says
Correct! They could go ahead and commemorate the Russian aeroplane and Beirut too in addition to Paris, but that was not the point!
The point, as you noted, is that they do not want to commemorate any infidels! The excuse about not understanding this or that, is just that- an excuse not to have to commemorate infidels.
Peggy says
The Russian plane being blown up is terrorism. How do you think it is war between the states when it was a passenger plane?
I too would like to know how this Russian plane full of civilians doesn’t get a minute silence as it too was a terrorist attack but the plane which was blown out of the sky over Ukraine was on our TVs day and night for a long time.One was obviously deliberate but the other one could have been a mistake. Both are tragedies and both lot of civilians deserve to be mourned in the same way.
Now having said that i don’t believe that this was the reason those Muslims girls walked out. They are never going to mourn any infidel because they were taught that way.
I think they and their families should be immediately expelled from Italy because we can see that nothing good will ever come from them. They might even be the next terrorists who blow up civilians in Italy.
PRCS says
The article does seem a bit ambiguous.
Why would Muslim girls challenge the school’s desire to observe a moment of silence for the Paris victims by complaining about the lack of a similar moment for the victims of two other jihad attacks?
Peggy says
That was a convenient excuse.
Westman says
Ohhhh geezzz. My bad!!!
Peggy, Graven, anyone else..
My heartfelt apologies. Somehow my brain equated the airliner shot down over Ukraine with the Russian airliner. No wonder some wondered if I lost my mind!! I did.
In my mind all three victim countries of these terrorist attacks deserve a minute of silence. I wonder if these students asked for say a recognition each day until all three were observed.
I’m going to take some tylenol and see if this brain stroke will go away.
Again, my apologies!!
gravenimage says
No problem, Westman. I’ve missed things before, too.
TheBuffster says
Perhaps their school should, from now on, commemorate *every* terror attack with a minute of silence. I mean that they should keep tabs on all the jihad terror attacks everywhere in the world, including the ones that get little press, and every day have a moment of silence for the victims of that day’s attacks.
If the girls’ alleged reason for walking out of the Paris commemoration was honest, they’ll attend all of these commemorations. And for them and all of the other students this practice will drive home the real state of jihad terror in the world.
Westman says
Ok, let me offer an appology and explanation.
There was a rebellion in Ukraine supported by Russia. It is still unknown if the missile was fired by rebels or Russian advisors. If fired by advisors it is an act of state agression whether terrorism, accident, intentional Russian state agression, etc. If fired by Muslim rebels then it was exclusively terrorism.
It is terrorism, yes. Is it state terrorism? We may never know.
Westman says
Ohhhh geezzz. My bad!!!
Peggy, Graven, anyone else..l
My heartfelt apologies. Somehow my brain equated the airliner shot down over Ukraine with the Russian airliner. No wonder some wondered if I lost my mind!! I did.
In my mind all three victim countries of these terrorist attacks deserve a minute of silence. I wonder if these students asked for say a recognition each day for a until all three were observed.
I’m going to take some tylenol and see if this brain stroke will go away.
Again, my apologies!!
gravenimage says
Westman wrote:
“They want to understand why we commemorate Paris but not the Russian aeroplane or Beirut,…”
Because the Paris Tragedy was an Islamic Terrorist assault on Western culture, not a conflict between states.
………………………..
Westman, the Russian airplane was a passenger jet carrying 224 *civilians*. How was this a “conflict between states”? It was Jihad terrorism, just as were the attacks on Paris.
Peggy says
Exactly. I don’t understand how someone can’t make a distinction between terrorism and battles of war.
Westman says
Ohhhh geezzz. My bad!!!
Peggy, Graven, anyone else..l
My heartfelt apologies. Somehow my brain equated the airliner shot down over Ukraine with the Russian airliner. No wonder some wondered if I lost my mind!! I did.
In my mind all three victim countries of these terrorist attacks deserve a minute of silence. I wonder if these students asked for say a recognition each day for a until all three wer e observed.5s of these terrorist attacks deserve a minute of silence. I wonder if these students asked for say a recognition each day for a until all three were observed.
I’m going to take some tylenol and see if this brain stroke will go away.
Again, my apologies!!
Peggy says
No worries. Sorry I didn’t think that you might be having a bit of a hiccup. We all have those days.
gravenimage says
No problem, Westman.
Simone Fields says
I took a double and a treble take as well on that one!” An accident” – is he mad – I thought.
You’re excused now.
Linde Barrera says
Nothing wrong with Italians adopting the slogan: “Italy, Love It Or Leave It.”
mortimer says
Apparently, at that school, many Muslims APPROVE of the Paris attacks because they targeted WOMEN ATTENDING PUBLIC EVENTS with men and also leaders of CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES defending themselves against ISLAMIC FASCISM.
mortimer says
Around the world, about 15% of Muslims approve of terrorism. What could go wrong. That’s only one Muslim in six who is a silent traitor to the countries they live in.
Peggy says
I believe that the percentage is far greater than 15%..
How do we know that it’s 15%? How was this figure arrived at and who was polled and was it a secret poll?
We really don’t know enough to say it. Only 30 Muslims turned up to protest against ISIS but thousands turn up to protest against drawing a cartoon.
So how is it only 15%?
Joseph says
@ Peggy
BULLS-EYE!!!!!!!!
I agree 100%
kay says
Re percentages
Pamela Geller has done her own number crunching on this. I used no spreadsheet but put forward the following rough estimates, which you are free to consider or ignore:
Political Islam:
~ Twenty two percent of Muslims worldwide actually favor or support jihad. And are therefore criminal psychopaths.
In addition
~ Twenty two percent of Muslims worldwide actually favor or support Sharia law. And are therefore sociopaths.
Total
~ Forty four percent of Muslims worldwide are ( at least latent ) psychopaths and/ or ( at least latent ) sociopaths.
To be conservative and factor in margin of error, say something like
18% + 18% gives 36% total with 3% or so margin.
This is huge, especially when you compare it with Stupid Numbers from Ignorant Fools Guesses, like
“only one percent of Muslims are terrorists”.
WHERE did THAT figure come from?
Remember, we actually can get REAL and VISIBLE measures that NO ONE can deny.
One example was the South Central Asia mass demonstration against Charlie Hebdo Paris. Their turnout was 800,000. Then we consider the anti-Charlie riots in Nigeria, which resulted in the destruction of twenty three churches and some lives lost.
Then we consider the fairly recent attempt to take over a whole African nation:
The Seleka in the Central African Republic were no more than 25% of the population but they as Muslims tried to take over the entire C.A.R. That was breathtakingly aggressive. And completely fascist.
My claimed figures are not wildly unrealistic. It is necessary to consider multiple polls and multiple independent sources of evidence.
kay says
So if 51% or so of Brit carpet pilots expressly support Sharia, then 51% of Brit carpet pilots are true sociopaths. That’s well more than TWICE the 22% figure of my very rough interpretation.
Also consider that the aggression and arrogance levels are increasing very noticeably in just the last six years globally. We have real data on this.
Carpet pilot murder in 2014 is up 80% over their earlier body count rate.
So if another honest poll were to be taken in 2016, it may well show rates more like 26% psychopath and 26% sociopath.
In any event, rates of 10% psychopath and 10% sociopath are completely unacceptable in any civilized country.
Chancellor Merkel completely ignored the very real Pew Survey results so from a statistical viewpoint she brought into Germany vast numbers of psychopaths and sociopaths.
Looking at the behaviors shown by migrants entering Europe it seems evident that for SOME groups ( of predominantly military age males ), the rates could easily be 30% psychopath and 30% sociopath. EASILY.
Please note that I am nothing like a statistician. It dos however appear likely that my numbers are fairly middle range.
Therefore I think the reasonable breakdown is 22% +/- 4% psychopath and 22% +/- 4% sociopath.
Right now there are fifty five carpet pilot no go zones in Sweden alone. That is psychopathic, not just sociopathic.
I can give many more kinds of CONCRETE evidence.
Nothing is carved in stone. I would really like to see a panel of experts spend a day haggling over facts and figures to build up a large scale detailed picture grouped by psychopath and sociopath tags..
The point is that the Pew Poll figures will definitely turn out to be conservative.
So will mine.
ECAW says
Kay – What’s the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath?
Nevertheless, here’s some..er..scientific research on the subject:
https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2014/03/14/diagnosis/
KnowThyEnemy says
Italy, France, UK, or US, young Muslims everywhere are brainwashed with enough harmful and poisonous material that they are no longer normal citizens of society (unless they are de-brainwashed, that is).
Donald Trump now says he “does not rule out national database for US Muslims.” Personally I don’t trust this showman, but assuming he is serious, can he practically do this? Does the US Constitution allow for such a thing? And more importantly- Is the powerful left going to let him do such a thing? Any thoughts?
And how would he carry this out? How is he going to find out who is Muslim and who is not? Just ask the people? What if they say “No, I am not Muslim”? How is he going to identify the Muslims?
CNN Link: Trump doesn’t rule out national database for U.S. Muslims
Wellington says
I have doubts about this showman, too, KTE, but let’s assume Trump is serious and take a look at the pure legal implications of what he has said. Sad to say, his “recommendation” will not pass muster under current American law UNLESS all religions are subjected to the same scrutiny, to the same establishment of “databases.” Under current American constitutional law, assessing religions, dealing with religions, placing any kind of restrictions on religions, must be religiously neutral (“neutral” is the key word here) and this is where Islam has the American Constitution by the balls because it still poses as just another religion, even though it most surely is not. There is a “strict scrutiny” provision, if met, which in theory might allow Islam to be singled out for special “watchfulness” as opposed to other religions, but right now the Supreme Court is made up of four complete fools——Kagan, Ginsburg, Sotomayor and Breyer, one pretty much a fool, Kennedy, yet another one, Roberts, who, while conservative on some issues, should never be relied upon, and only three truly sensible justices, Thomas, Alito and Scalia, and so one should not count on the “strict scrutiny” approach succeeding at all.
Either, under present American constitutional and statutory law, Islam is judicially made the exception and thus liable to a scrutiny and confinement that no other major religion in America is, and I think this is beyond highly unlikely as I have already detailed in the preceding paragraph, or new laws passed by a sensible Congress (please excuse the oxymoron here) and signed by a reasonable President, which is to say not Obama, AND invoking Article III, Section 2, which would make such new laws not reviewable by the Supreme Court, are enacted, or an actual constitutional amendment (extremely unlikely) making Islam the exception to the religious freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution becomes a reality, America is in deep shit where Islam is concerned. Minus these three “options,” Islam can use the American Constitution to its great advantage and with the ultimate purpose of destroying it, which functions as just one more reason why I detest the spiritual Nazism which is Islam.
This is where things stand right now constitutionally and legally. Let’s hope that common sense, legal or constitutional “developments,” and far greater knowledge about the spiritual fascism which is Islam occur so that America does not immolate itself by tolerating the massive intolerance which is Islam in the name of tolerance. After all, the Constitution is not a suicide pact even though Muslims aplenty and leftists aplenty would like it to be.
KnowThyEnemy says
Thanks for your educated response, Wellington. I wish more people saw that many of Trump’s promises are hollow and impractical.
Trump is a narcissist (See Link). Narcissists have this mentality about themselves that they are special, and that rules, laws, and policies somehow do not apply to them. An excellent example is Muhammad. He broke all the rules that Jews, Christians, and the polytheists of Mecca followed (For example: Not shedding blood at the Kaaba). He also made great promises to people in order to make them follow him- “If you die fighting for me you will get 72 houris”….etc.
Trump too blurts out whatever he thinks people will like to hear- “I’ll make a database for US Muslims”, “I’ll build a wall and have Mexico pay for it”…….
So there is a strong possibility that Trump actually [but wrongly] thinks that he can carry out the promises that he is making and that no one will get in his way because everyone will see how great he is.
If a narcissist’s promise actually pans out, it only fuels his grandiosity and then he makes more outlandish claims, just as what Muhammad did. The major difference between Muhammad and Trump is that whereas Mu gained absolute power in Medina, Trump, if he becomes president, will never have absolute power due to the checks and balances structure of US Government and because of the media. He is a good showman, but is very ignorant of the Constitution. He is going to make flawed proposals, and as you detailed, they will be rejected by the Congress, the courts, the media, and/or all of them. We will be stuck in a quagmire! It is a shame that so many people actually fall for his bs.
Those who have been reading my posts know that I prefer Ben Carson. He too is very anti-Left and sees through the media’s bias. Unlike Trump however, he knows the Constitution and actually has common-sense. A few weeks ago when someone pointed out that his promise to bar people born here from citizenship is impractical because of the Constitution, he explained that it was practical and that Congress simply needed to re-interpret the relevant parts of the Constitution. My point is that since Carson understands the Constitution and the media’s games, and because he actually is very intelligent, he is not going to make flawed proposals to begin with. On top of that, he has the diplomatic acumen needed to convince others to support his proposals. The “legal and constitutional developments” as you phrased it, will happen at a much faster pace!
I sooo wish that people saw this advantage in having Carson as a leader, but just because his foreign policy understanding is less than A+, and because of the way he speaks, people do not want him and he has fallen behind in the polls. If only people had an idea of what they are going to lose by rejecting Carson!
[Another candidate that I know of, who is good with Constitution and who understands the threat posed by radical Islam, is Ted Cruz. But since he is fairly young, I feel that he can benefit from getting exposure to Carson’s wisdom and leadership. If that happens, he will make an even better leader in the future.]
dumbledoresarmy says
Carson for President, Cruz for Vice-President…and could *somebody* convince Allen West to step forward to cover the Defence portfolio, whatever you call it in the USA?
Call it the Dream Team….
PRCS says
dda,
No offense, but I’ve had enough of Cruz insulting my intelligence with that “radical Islamic terrorism” crap (which, btw, seems to be the new, politically correct, meme du jour).
Not that he’s the only politician or “journalist” parroting that carp.
Unfortunately, West has slipped up, to:
“Let me be clear. It is the extremist, radical element that has hijacked Islam that presents a dangerous threat to both our country and our allies throughout the world. This radical jihadist movement has no place in the United States of America or anywhere on earth. I’ve seen firsthand the vicious hatred that stems [from] their radical interpretation of the Koran, and I condemn it fully.”
KnowThyEnemy says
@dda
Allen West as Secretary of Defense would indeed be awesome.
KnowThyEnemy says
@PRCS,
Cruz does indeed call it “radical Islam” and it is very possible that he genuinely thinks that “radical Muslims” have a different interpretation of Islam than everyday Muslims. To his credit though, he goes hard after those who he thinks are “radical Muslims”. Earlier this month, he introduced a bill to declare CAIR a terrorist organization (See this link).
Carson otoh calls it a “sick and twisted ideology” (sometimes “barbaric ideologies”). Now even though he too refrains from explicitly naming the enemy (Islam, that is), he has made it clear that there is a “war of ideas” going on and that we need to fight and win this war! In an interview a few days ago, he [correctly] described the kind of murderous thug that Muhammad was (See this link). Combine this with the fact that he is very anti-left, it is virtually certain that he is going to throw a wrench in Islam/Left’s plan to destroy the US!
Cruz made his career growing up among the run of the mill politicians and so it should not surprise that he tries to be PC and that he believes there is such a thing as “radical Islam”. I am sure that under Carson, he will notice his own weaknesses and will become more aware of the evil designs employed by subversive anti-American forces.
Needless to say, the above will pan out only if people can break the spell that Trump has put on everyone!
PRCS says
KTH,
Per my previous post, Cruz regurgitates the “radical Islamic terrorism” bs ad nauseam, so many times yesterday that I lost count.
And, I believe that every Republican candidate, most so-called “journalists”, and the chattering class have adopted that audience tested obfuscation their chant.
No matter how many times he and others repeat that mantra, it’s the kind of PC crap that keeps so many of our friends and neighbors uniformed.
It’s now more than 14 years post 9/11 and there is NO excuse–other than a fear of offending Muslims–to not tell it like it is.
All we need is one of the presidential candidates to blurt out, “There’s no such thing as radical Islam. There is Islam–amputations and all”.
Which will permit so-called “journalists” to do their damn homework and start reporting facts instead of what Muslims and their useful idiots want them to.
? says
Mu-slime showing their true colors….
This is the reaping 666
Wellington says
Anyone surprised by this is an ignoramus. Anyone supporting this is a barbarian.
Christianblood says
Muslims will always support their brothers and sisters who are doing the jihad on behalf of their demonic allah but the Western authorities should have punished severely anyone who is acting in support of the jihadists as those students did. At least, they should have been expelled from the school. Never trust a muslim!
sidney penny says
“These girls all learned this from their parents. This is the atmosphere they absorb at home.”
You are so kind Robert.
“These girls all learned this from their friends. This is the atmosphere they absorb when with their friends.”
“These girls all learned this from their communities. This is the atmosphere they absorb when with their communities”
“These girls all learned this from their Imams. This is the atmosphere they absorb at the mosque.”
gravenimage says
Yes–all of these things are likely true, Sidney.
They also learned this barbarism from the texts and tenets of Islam.
sidney penny says
At least.:
No booing.
No allahu-akbar
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/muslim-soccer-fans-boo-scream-allahu-akbar-during-moment-of-silence-for-paris-jihad-victims
“That “tiny minority of extremists” just keeps getting bigger.”
Champ says
Italy: Muslim pupils refuse to observe minute of silence for Paris victims
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
They’re treacherous traitors!
gravenimage says
Except they aren’t traitors, Champ.
Muslims have never felt any loyalty to the civilized Infidels giving them asylum. We all have to remember this, as more Muslims are allowed to flood into our societies.
Champ says
Indeed–good point, Graven.
Edwin1683 says
So they “decided” not to participate. Why is it that they were given the option? Kick them all the hell out of the school and out of the country.
Islam :- the hateful religion of chaos says
How about Europe is passionate about Europeans, not emotionally attached to Russia or Beirut….. AT ALL
gravenimage says
They want to understand why we commemorate Paris but not the Russian aeroplane…
…………………………….
Yeah–I’m sure these Muslimahs objected to a moment of silence for the victims of their fellow Muslims because there wasn’t a moment of silence at the time for some of their other victims…sarc/off
The fact is that many Muslims have refused to observe any compassion for Jihad victims–Muslim fans booed when a moment of silence was called for for the Paris victims at a Greece/Turkey soccer game, and Muslim students screamed “Allahu Akbar!” at a Dutche elementary school. There are many other sickening examples.
And CNN reported that young Muslims interviewed in Brussels openly lauded the attacks.
That means that Muslims are openly in support of murdering Infidel civilians in our own streets.
Mazo says
Americans should observe a moment of silence for all the Alevi and Kurdish victims of repeated massacres perpetrated by the American backed, CIA trained Grey Wolves in Turkey in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
Those Turkish soccer fans are ultra nationalist Turks and many of them are Grey Wolves sympathizers. They were supported and trained by your government.
Turkish ultra nationalist fascist Grey Wolves Islamists were seen as an “asset” and “ally” by the America CIA who wanted to murder leftist Kurds and Alevis.
America provided the Dictator Suharto of Indonesia with death lists of Indonesian civilians suspected of being lefists.
America deliberately encouraged rampant Turkish ultra nationalism and fascism and supported Turkish ultra nationalists in military coups, bringing to power nationalist Turkish army officers who banned the Kurdish language and identity.
gravenimage says
The US *has* been foolish in considering Turkey–or any Muslim nation–to be an ally.
But Turkish fans weren’t booing because of the Grey Wolves or because of any US policies–neither of which had anything to do with the Jihad attacks on Paris.
Instead, they were booing for the same reasons these Muslimahs in Italy refused to observe a moment of silence–because they believe that they and their coreligionists have every right to slaughter Infidels in our own streets.
Mazo says
Cravenmirage, these Turkish soccer fans are the same as the Grey Wolves, which you would have understand had your brain not been made out of feces.
They are your allies, the ones your CIA trained to murder Kurdish and Alevi civilians.
Your government has deliberately assisted radical fascist racist ultra nationalist right wing groups like the Grey Wolves to mass murder leftists.
Joseph says
Graven, I give a silent prayer for all the dead Muslim terrorists.
That prayer is….You terrorists in hell must be lonely, may we flood hell with more dead terrorists to keep you company.
abad says
Italy should deport them all back to the Middle East.
Katnis says
If they already gave them citizenship, that will be hard to do.
More Ham Ed says
When does islam ever set the example for the right thing to do. You never see that. It’s rare or doesn’t exist. The unholy ko ‘ran teaches conquest not grace.
Kevin says
Not surprising at all…won’t make the mainstream media either like the one guy at the Green Bay Packer game made news for days.
On another note…is anyone else having trouble getting onto Jihadwatch during the day? I try numerous times during the day and I get an error. Never a problem at night.
gravenimage says
Here’s another such story, from January:
“French Muslim Students Refused to Honor Moment of Silence for Charlie Hebdo Attack”
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/411452/french-muslim-students-refused-honor-moment-silence-charlie-hebdo-attack-brendan
Jay Boo says
French Muslim Students Refused to Honor Moment of Silence.
American Muslims instructed to remain silent completely during investigation of fellow Muslims.
Baucent says
“They want to understand why we commemorate Paris but not the Russian aeroplane or Beirut,” a teacher told ANSA [news agency].
That’s probably a valid point. All were victims of the Islamic State, perhaps there should have been some commemoration. But this attack was on another EU country so perhaps that was the context of the minutes silence.
David says
They have a very good point although I don’t think that was the appropriate way of expressing it.
We shouldn’t be so racist or/nationalistic that we can’t sympathise with sufferers of a different race, religion, culture or nationality other than our own.
The world is so racist/nationalistic When it’s our own race dying it’s all over the press and prayers and commiserations but when it’s another race or religion or culture we are so dehumanised that we don’t acknowledge that their suffering and pain is the same as ours, that they’re equally are human too when their loved ones are killed.
Perhaps the reason for this is the reluctance to acknowledge that some Muslims actually are victims and are not all evil?
All humanity suffers the pain of war not just Americans or Parisians. Muslims are very terrorised people yet there is no acknowledgment of it or just a scant word here and there.
I wouldn’t have walked out of class but it’s true. I would have requested the victims of the Russian disaster be included in the minute silence.
We should learn to feel for all humans not just our own colour, race, nationality or political alliance or faith.
Humanity is one race and one species. We should feel for all a spirit of empathy towards all sufferers.
KnowThyEnemy says
“Perhaps the reason for this is the reluctance to acknowledge that some Muslims actually are victims and are not all evil?”
What “reluctance to acknowledge”, David? The media tells us day after day, attack after jihad-attack, that Muslims are the primary victims of terrorists and extremists! It is not “just a scant word here and there”! All our leaders tell us all the time that it is Muslims who suffer the most! So go and try your guilt-tricks somewhere else. Print your post and mail it to wealthy people in Muslim countries!
It is only after a dozen+ years of effort on the part of Islamo-realists like Robert Spencer, that people are starting to note the discrepancies between what the media and leaders tell us vs. what actually is going on!
“We should learn to feel for all humans not just our own colour, race, nationality or political alliance or faith.”
The above statement is the essence of your post. Except it goes against what Quran commands in Sura 48 Ayat 29-
“Muhammad (SAW) is the Messenger of Allâh, And those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves.”
Did you mean to lecture only the non-Muslims about learning “to feel for all humans”? Do humanity a favor and go tell Muslims that Quran 48:29 is wrong and that they “shouldn’t be so racist or/nationalistic that they can’t sympathise with sufferers of a different race, religion, culture or nationality other than their own.”
BC says
Each country commemorates its own victims, that is only natural it is nothing to do with race. The Muslims and the ‘palestinians’ in particular only get upset when Muslims are killed by Western forces or in the case of Israel killed in the commission of deadly attacks on Israeli citizens. They get very agitated often world wide, while ignoring the fact that the vast majority of Muslims die at the hands of other Muslims. In th above case the Muslims students would have refused to observe the plane deaths as they were infidels, They would probably have wished to observe the deaths of ‘palestinians’ attempting to kill Jews however.
Rob says
‘I am a refugee. These are my demands.’
Ernie says
What about “supremacy” or…….MEGALOMANIA Rob ?
talking.cloud.org (@TalkingOrg) says
It is so much worse than that.
Our politicians are complicit in bringing about the Islamic caliphate because they have allowed Islamic schools where the life of Muhammad, a 7th century warlord who orders jihad, in that the kafir (you and me as non Muslim, and even some Muslims who are of the wrong type of Islamic Muslim i.e.: different tribe) are to be killed.
The Islamic religion is a political doctrine to ensure that Islam becomes state. In that Islamic state you will be a second citizen even if you do take on Islamic lifestyle. Your house and business will be run according to how Islamic imams see fit as they will own it under sharia law. British law will be subjected to sharia.
The government has allowed over 2000+ mosques and 3000 madrassas (Islamic schools) Over 85+ sharia courts exist in the UK alone. No go areas where ordinary uk citizens are forbidden to enter are everywhere in London and Birmingham, other areas of UK.
We need to fight this as kafirs and the first place to start is to dispute the lies being told to us from the Muslim saturated government! plus the multi-culturist Pollyanna’s who have no concept of Islam from the point of view of the kafir Please share this video publically wherever you can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8wg67DaYZ4
Wakeup says
The piont is this I am a Christian and I am working for the Kingdom of God so does that mean I want to overthrow the constitution of the United States well yes in a way but not really. Christians are working for a Christian world where Jesus is running the show effectively Jesus for president. Does that make me a threat no what I am working for is not malevolent my working with homeless people at my church is not malevolent. I could go to America and decide for example that I think all the sidewalks should be painted red, no problem so long as I use democratic means to PERSUADE everbody to paint them red.
The point is that islam is evil in its aims and and methods and this is what we must continue to expose and fight. In some cases that literally means for example but mostly it is challenging the ideology exposing it for what it is and not passively supporting it. We have to stop trading with these people in every little detail.
One more point if a person leaves a country to fight for another nation or organisation the persons country is at war with then always up to this point that has been called treason. How is it the case that jihadis don’t have their passports cancelled and are not immediately charged with treason. We cannot keep these people in prison forever they have to be executed.
In some cases we need to literally fight
duh_swami says
You referred to yourself 7-8 times in your first paragraph…I knew Islam was evil way before I knew you were so wonderful…
BC says
Al Jazeerah took a poll with 38,000 Muslim responders, which is much larger than most polls. 81% said they support IS. The poll was in Arabic and I am sure this enabled far more ‘honest’ replies than when Muslims respond to English language polls.
Aardvark says
The problem with all polls is that the results are simply not accurate. Some people will avoid taking the poll, and are not counted. Some will not be telling the truth. In polls in the West, mohammedans will tend to deny their support of the correctly* named Islamic State; in mohammedan countries the opposite will be true.
It is, however, undeniable that the terrorists are mohammedans carrying out jihad. Their actions are justified by reference to the Islamic texts. Therefore any person who also holds those texts to be sacred is also a supporter of jihad.
No polls are required.
If someone thinks Mein Kampf is a wonderful book, and its author a person to be admired, then they are a Nazi.
Similarly, if someone thinks the Koran is a wonderful book dictated by an angel, and that the vile Mohammed was a man who is to be emulated, they they are a supporter of jihad!
* I call it this to offset, in a small way, the BBC’s continued use of ‘the so-called Islamic State’.
Gen.Khaminski says
I hope the pea brained Liberal politicians of Europe will wake up to what they have done.! By allowing so many Muslos to settle in white Christian /secular countries, they are turning Europe into Musloland. Trouble is….Europeans are haunted by their own deeds of killings, violence & genocide ..which they gleefully carried out not so long ago in the name of freedom!
Is this what they fought aginst Hitler & Communism for…..only to be replaced by militant fundamental Islam? d …the Europeans deserve all they are getting…..
Chris Round says
These girls and their families should be told assimilate or be deported.However no doubt lefty liberals particularly those at the BBC will protect Muslims no matter how badly they behave. Liberals will have to have a knife put against their throat by some jihadi lunatic before they admit that Muslim immigration will in the end destroy Europe .
Charli MaIn says
Get your point, but these liberals, as they are getting their throats cut, will probably be screaming ” these are not REAL Muslims. This is not REAL Islam “
David says
This entire issue just sickens me. Why are these soulless “shells” even allowed to remain (on public benefits) in our western CIVILIZED countries? The tax burden alone must be reason enough to ship them back to the desert hell holes they come from! If the muslim parents can’t or wont teach the kids to have respect for laws and culture of the host nations, then the kids MUST be taken by the state to be put in the care of a SANE family or institution who WILL!
TrueMuslim says
you people are so deluded. you speak of civilization and freedom when you know nothing of these concepts. your precious civilization is the product of corruption and the evil of your forebears, you and your children. you speak of freedom when you are enslaved to your own primitive desires. you follow your desires like animals. the loyalty of a Muslim lies not with his parents or children but with the greater good of our people. we have and will continue to sacrifice the blood of ourselves and our children until this world is in the hands of it’s rightful rulers. and you and all your pathetic kind are dead or our slaves. those who do not serve Allah will serve the instruments of Allah. in the end your civilized world will lose because you are shackled by your morality, there are limits to what you will do to win. we are not bound by such weaknesses, there is no limit to the casualty’s we will accept. the coming war will end only with your end, and your women and children will be serve their lives as our slaves while your body’s rot. we are all bound by death, you fear it while we embrace it. that is why you can never defeat us.
dumbledoresarmy says
GET THE BLOODY HELL OUT OF HERE.
Any man who talks about killing other men and seizing their women and children to rape and use as slaves is a sh*thead.
Get. out.
By way: what you have done just now, by your vile rant, is to expose quite comprehensively, for any person new to this site and this subject, *exactly* what absolute ugliness lurks in the heart of every Muslim who sets out to follow Mohammed the warlord, caravan-robber, liar, conman, fraud, rapist and slave-trader.
If you are living in the West, then you may well find yourself ending up like that vicious jihadi thug who just got blown to smithereens by the French police and special forces.
As for following own desires like animals…PFFFFFT.
Ever heard of ‘projection’?? Because that is what you lot do, all the time.
ANY ‘man’ who is capable of violating a terrified little girl of nine or ten, whilst she screams with pain and then leaving her torn to pieces and bleeding heavily – which is exactly what your beloved Islamic State jihadis have done, is utterly beneath contempt.
I spit on, I DESPISE your vile, vile ‘god’ who licenses men to steal women and girls form their families – from their husbands, even – and then sexually use those women and girls, and who has *fooled* such men into thinking that such behaviour is good and holy and just.
You think it’s okay to kidnap and violate and enslave a woman or girl, if she is not a Muslim?
YOU . ARE. A . MONSTER.
you are a slave of pure evil.
You do not worship a ‘god’ but are enslaved by a demon.
KnowThyEnemy says
Now please describe how you really feel about Islam and its followers, dda 🙂
Peggy says
Seeing how you embrace death, we’ll be more than happy to accommodate you.
Aussie Infidel says
During my lifetime I have known literaly hundreds of Muslims from many different countries – and they come in ‘all shades of grey’. Muslims are people, like you and me, while their religion is a criminal ideology recorded in their holy books. People are living breathing creatures, and everyone is different. Some are meek and mild, while others are rude and aggressive. Most are somewhere in between. Some are intelligent, while others are dumb. Some are pious and believe steadfastly in a supernatural worldview, while for a host of different reasons, others do not hold such deep beliefs. Muslims are just like people in the West, covering the whole spectrum of human characteristics, but because of the violent tenets of their religion, and the continual incitement to violence against kafirs from their imams in the mosques, the number of Muslims willing to commit murder in the name of their religion, is significantly higher than the number of Jews, or Christians, or Buddhists etc, who would do so – and the stats bears this out (over 27,000 deadly jihadist attacks since 9/11).
I first discovered the ‘dark side’ of Islam back in the 1960s, ironically from an ex-Muslim, but he kept this fact hidden from the other Muslims in the group. Over the years, I met further apostates from the ‘religion of peace’, and many more who, if they had been living permanently in a Western country, would have done so – but being trapped in a Muslim community, and out of loyalty to their families, they had not abandoned their ‘faith’ (at least publicly). But we waste our time endlessly discussing how many ‘moderates’ there might be in Muslim communities – we might as well debate the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin. We should stick to debating how we can defeat Islam – the ideology which is the root cause of jihad and terrorism.
Islam is an ideology born of a sociopath, which appeals to other sociopaths – as does any other organised crime syndicate. In civil society, we quarantine criminals from the rest of the community, by locking them away in jail. But in Islam, their holy scriptures sanctify murdering those who will not accept their faith, and regard ‘holy war against the kuffar as “holy and good and even obligatory” (Quran 2:216, 8:39 etc), and even elevate it to the status of law in the Sharia. Why should a civilized society tolerate a criminal ideology which continues to infect the minds of generation after generation with hatred and violence, simply because Muslims claim it is the ‘word of Allah’, and therefore sacrosanct. This is the fundamental reason why these conflicts are still raging after 1,400 years – and unless Islam is either reformed (which I doubt will happen), or banned, they will continue until Islam is victorious over everything else – and we are all part of the Ummah, and citizens of the Kalifate.
Some of the main opponents to solving this problem, are the other religions – mainly Judaism and Christianity. Many secular Jews are now political leftists and foolishly support Islam, because of the hatred they have built up over the years against orthodox Judaism. But they ignore the Muslim doctrine of jihad at their peril. Muslims still regard them as kafirs (or un-believers), and would just as readily cut their throats, as those of orthodox Jews. Many Christians believe that Islam is ‘just another religion’ like Christianity – after all, they all pray to the ‘same’ monotheistic deity – don’t they? Some Christians rejoice in engaging Muslims in ‘Interfaith dialogue’ (as Robert has often pointed out). But this only allows the Muslims to ingratiate themselves with local religious leaders, and bide their time until they are strong enough to make demands of their host society, or infiltrate its institutions.
Other people say that religions cannot be banned, because they are protected under our Constitutions. But Constitutions are only legal documents, and can be changed by holding a referendum. If the Muslims ever do take over, they will simply tear up existing Constitutions anyway. The irony here too is that most Constitutions do not define what is meant by a religion – a vital point of law, just waiting to be addressed by a government with the political will to do so. Most present politicians are unwilling to call a spade a spade, or act in their nation’s interests; they are either ignorant, paralysed by fear, or complicitly aiding and abetting the Muslim takeover. This is the reason why new political parties are being formed in many Western countries – eg here in Australia: http://www.australianlibertyalliance.org.au.
TrueMuslim says
you are right in many things. but you are also wrong. the beloved prophet Muhamad was not insane as you would claim. he was strong and not bound by your weaknesses of morality. he was a man of honor, conviction and a will that carries on with those who follow him keeping us determined to fight until we have taken our rightful place as inheritors of this world. and you are right that when we gain power we will destroy what you hold so dear to be your constitution.
Aardvark says
A man of honour? Mohammed? Are you serious, TrueMuslime?
He is described in your own texts as:
– a rapist
– a paedophile
– a mass murderer
– a thief.
– a torturer
– a liar
– an oath-breaker
– a devious self-serving psycopath.
And you call him a man of honour? You are simply not sane.
A well-chose pseudonym, though…
Jaladhi says
Yeah, but you know Muslims consider that an honor. LOL.. Such are these delusional creatures!!
Aussie Infidel says
TrueMuslim, Sorry for the delay on this, but I have other interests in life, and cannot waste all my time replying to pathetic creeps like you.
You wrote, “Muhammad … was not bound by your weakness of morality.” Muhammad might have been strong physically (warlords usually are), but he suffered from a serious mental abnormality. Muhammad was a psychopath – a person who is egotistical, narcisistic, deceitful and devious; someone with no compassion (particularly for those who he perceived as enemies), and a pathological urge to control others. The only people who still follow such a good-for-nothing scoundrel, are those present day psychopaths like you within the Muslim community, who have the same abnormal tendencies, and have been indoctrinated from childhood with the violent, racist claptrap in the Quran.
“He was a man of honor, conviction and will.” Muhammad was a deceitful, lying, thief and murderer who wouldn’t know the meaning of the word ‘honor’. the only conviction he ever had (as with most psychopaths) was that he was right. Muhammad was simply a man who lacked emotional maturity. He was an egotist and a supremacist who detested anyone who disagreed with him. And like many other such people throughout history, he either murdered his opponents, or had them killed by others – behavior typical of a criminal mindset.
“until we have taken our rightful place as inheritors of this world.” Spoken like a true egotist and supremacist.
Many authoritarian dictators in the past have thought that they would defeat those ‘weak’ democracies with their moralistic attitudes and values. But each and every one of them has been crushed. On this issue, we in the West have not yet begun to fight – but eventually when we do, you and your sick ideology, will also be wiped from the face of the Earth.
TheBuffster says
Aussie! Aussie! Aussie!
Oy! Oy! OY!
Midway says
These people are sub human. This hatred is fed to them in mosques, madrassas & worse, their home. They have no interest in assimilation, compromising and are always demanding. They suck the life out of the society that affords them the comforts. All the horrors in the world, all the inconveniences at the airports & winding security lines at federal buildings are courtesy of only one religion.
steve says
The only way to ‘civilise’ Muslims is with a sharp’s rifle from about 300 yards….
Dr. Divinity says
“These children learned this from their parents”
All Muslim learn from their parents……and clerics and imams and the koran and the mosque. Muslims must repeat must follow all these. They can’t possibly think for themselves .The devil’s book of passage, the koran, has imprisoned their minds..
If these poor fools only knew that committing suicide is sending them to hell but with their minds imprisoned by Islam hell will have more Muslims than any others
Jim says
There is enough in the behavior and attitude of these girls for me to assume there is a notable amount of “Radical Muslim” in Islam to support those to cause harm to perceived infidels (non-followers of Islam). Jim
SpiritOf1683 says
Time to strip them of their Italian nationality, if they have it, and send them and their families back to North Africa.
True Coptic says
The true devil is the Saudi’s petrodollars. Mr. President of USA is part of islamizing the west. He is doing everything to help Muslim world before he leaves the office. He avoids every word against Muslims even when they killed French people. Sure, he is one of them
Nobody thinks that: how nobody with no history becomes the president of the greatest nation in the world!!!!!!
steve says
This illustrates quite perfectly that it’s only the islamist terrorists that the West has to worry about since we can easily see the majority of muslim actions are those of quite peaceful and tolerant people!
TheBuffster says
“They want to understand why we commemorate Paris but not the Russian aeroplane or Beirut,” a teacher told ANSA”
I see something else in this one – not necessarily Muslim girls refusing to commemorate the deaths of victims of jihad, but perhaps North African girls protesting the fact that there was no moment of silence for people from the Middle East/North Africa who were recently killed by jihadists.
It looks to me like they were protesting more on a racial or regional basis, feeling that people in Paris were being valued more highly than people from their own place of origin. While they themselves may have mourned for the jihadists’ victims in Beirut and the Russian airliner, they wondered why their school commemorated Paris and not the other two tragedies.
Tony Favero says
Perhaps some historical perspective is useful for those inclined to learn from history or recover from politically correct college courses in such, rather than retreat in uninformed denial.
For 1400 years or since the death of Muhammad in 632, there has been a relentless jihad against all the nonbelievers of Islam (Christians, agnostics, Hindus, atheists, homosexuals, etc.) which persists to this day and includes thousands of Christians fleeing present day Iraq. Prior to the birth of Muhammad, nearly all of the Middle East, Iran, Turkey, et al. were Christian. In just 100 years after Muhammad’s death Muslim armies conquered all of North Africa, Iran, et al. and were within 100 miles of Paris itself.
If it were not for the eight Crusades, that occurred well afterwards, all of Europe and beyond would now be facing Mecca. The Crusades, limited responses to these copious Islamic assaults, were measures taken in self defense and lasted less than 200 years; motivation for this profuse Islamic aggression comes into focus when one considers that “Islam” in English translates to “submission”.
Before & after the Crusades, here are just a few of many Muslim offensives that occurred…..
Year:
570 Birth of Mohammed, with much of North Africa, Turkey, Persia, el al. Christian.
632 Death of Mohammed
640 Alexandria captured and the great library destroyed
668 First attack to take Constantinople
732 Muslim armies within 100 miles of Paris
846 Muslims plundered the churches of St Peter & Paul in Rome.
996-1021 3,000 Coptic churches in Egypt were destroyed (a 25 year episode)
1009 Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem destroyed.
1091 Muslims drove Christian priests out of Jerusalem.
1095-1291 Time span of the 8 Crusades (a defensive action)
1453 Constantinople conquered (assaults commenced in 668)
1526 Fall of Hungary (one of many on European countries, as noted further down)
1529 Ottoman forces defeated in Vienna.
As many are aware, Muslims invaded and occupied Spain for 800 years, here are other countries invaded by Muslim armies with their occupation times…
Portugal – 600 years
Greece – 500 years
Bulgaria 500 years
Rumania – 400 years
Serbia – 400 years
Sicily – 300 years
Hungary – 150 years
Additionally the Muslims fought in Austria, Italy, Malta, Cyprus, Armenia, Poland, Georgia, Ukraine and parts of Russia. The crusaders primarily sought to regain lost territories, whereas the Muslims, even after the Crusades, wanted to occupy Europe in order to Islamize it (as is in progress today with Muslims now living in Europe).
For all this, it is notable that in Islam’s theology there is no recognition of repentiveness or forgiveness. Unlike the Bible, the Koran does not instruct its adherents to repent and beg forgiveness, even though it says Allah is “the beneficent, the merciful”.
Hence, Muslim or Arab historians, when writing about the Crusades, do not fault Muslims for what their ancestors did before and after the Crusades, or does one find any Muslims making pusillanimous apologies…..only uninformed and naïve Christians appear capable of presenting such ill-considered apologies.
A final note: Islam is not merely a religion, but also encompasses a full body of civil law, also known as Shariah, which is imposed on all living within or surviving an Islamic conquest, a serious problem, for all nonbelievers are relegated to 2nd class status and have no right to bear witness in court against any Muslim. Women have only 1/2 the right of men in court. Muslim men can marry non-Muslim women, but Muslim women are forbidden to marry outside their faith. Muslim apostates are condemned to death; joining the Muslim faith is rather similar to joining the Mafia. From a female perspective, I can only view such a ‘faith’ with this body of law as theocratic misogyny.
From Robert Spencer:
In terms of slavery, while it is true that Christians owned slaves, slavery is not an integral part of Christian doctrine. Jesus did not own slaves. The same cannot be said of Islam. Mohammed owned many slaves and even shared concubines with his warriors. There are today forty different words in Arabic to describe slaves; that’s how prominent slavery has been in the Islamic world. The slave trade in Africa was largely run by Muslims. And when Western nations finally abolished the evil practice of slavery, that slave trade in Africa persisted without them. Remember, Saudi Arabia, the site of Islam’s holiest sites, did not outlaw slavery until the 1960s. Moreover, slavery is still practiced today in parts of Islamic Africa, notably Sudan.
But Obama’s biggest dose of disinformation came in the form of his remarks on the Crusades.
There is a myth that the Crusades were nothing but an aggressive series of wars in which Christendom attacked the Muslim world and committed atrocities.
The reality is somewhat different.
The Crusades actually began after centuries of Islamic jihad invading, pillaging and conquering Christian lands in present-day North Africa and parts of Europe.
After 400 years of systematic genocide of Christians at the hands of Islamic jihadists, Pope Urban II, acting on a plea from the Byzantine emperor whose people had been attacked by Muslim hoards, finally called on “Christ’s heralds” to sound the call for help for the Christians in the east and free the Holy Land.
So, the first Crusade was a defensive action in response to Islamic jihad.
This is an historical fact that our president (Obama) unfortunately left out of his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast.
monhar says
Those uncivilized students should be expelled from the school. Whoever is killed it does not matter. Showing respect to a dead person does not need adherence to any faith. And there were Muslim victims too. In the process they showed disregard to their own dead.
Yes Saudi petrodollar is the chief culprit but a majority would kill even if there was no petrodollar. Remember – few years ago the education minister of Iran said,”the beauty of Islam is to kill or to get killed for the cause of faith”.
Angemon says
No, I’m certain they commemorated them. As in “celebrated”.
Stophating says
There weren’t any Muslims on the Russian plane but they ask why they weren’t commemorated. The girls are right, why do we have selected mourning. Let’s mourn for the world losing sons & daughters all over it. At this stage you could have a daily minute of silence for all of those killed in the previous 24 hours. Some of the comments here against innocent Muslims are ver non-Christian so you must be atheists? Nobody with God in their lives could spout such hate towards innocent people