Joyce Carol Oates wonders: “Is Nothing ‘Joyous’ in ISIS?”
Is this for real?
ISIS is smashing world heritage treasures, committing multiple genocides, repressing women, cutting off hands and heads, pushing gays off roofs. Joy? Celebration?
She’s repulsive.
mortimersays
Jihadists get their joy from watching Western Leftards defend jihad from criticism. They celebrate when Joyce Carol Oates reveals her lack of awareness of the Islamic conspiracy.
The ayatollah said it clearly: ‘There’s no fun in islam’.
Bamagujesays
Of course there is something joyous and celebratory about ISIS… just not the same way we non-Muslims understand enjoyment and celebration.
ISIS enjoys beheading and terrorizing infidels… that’s what thrills them. Then they celebrate by raping Yazidi chicks.
Virgilsays
True. The word is ” TERROR” and it’s a joy for them to see people got terrorized
mortimersays
Bamugue wrote: “… just not the same way we non-Muslims understand enjoyment and celebration.”
Example:
-When suicide bombers murder civilians, Muslim sympathizers hand out candies in the streets to celebrate murder of non-Muslims.
-Mohammed smiled when loot was brought to him (Sahih Muslim 8.76.433)
-Mohammed smiled when he heared of the violent crimes of his companions (Ibn Ishaq, p502)
-Mohammed laughed violently when a prisoner was tortured (Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 150)
-Mohammed smiled while slaves were beaten before him (Abu Dawud 10:1814)
-Mohammed smiled while stolen money was brought to him (Sahih Muslim 31:6131)
-Mohammed smiled when his wives fought one another (Sahih Muslim 31:6131)
-Mohammed laughed after telling a woman to suckle an adult male (Sahih Muslim 8:3424)
-Mohammed laughed someone drank his own urine by mistake (Al-Tabari 39:199)
Muslims must imitate Mohammed’s example. Islam celebrates after someone is hurt by Muslims or suffers.
Bamagujesays
Great post, Mortimer.
gravenimagesays
Second that.
stevea54says
I looked up the Ibn Ishaq quote. It was not on p 502. My OUP edition, printed in Pakistan, was first printed in 1955; reissued in ’67; 20th impression in 2006.
Is yours a different version perhaps? If you get a spare moment could you check it please?
Thanks.
Westmansays
At 77 there is a possibility of dementia interfering with Oates’ rational judgement.
Could a malevolent Daesh militant have sick twisted joy like the commandant of a Nazi death camp who shoots prisoners for entertainment? Too pedestrian and humane for Daesh. Mass slaughter and the beheading of children brings them the orgiastic thrills of Mohammad-symbiosis.
Daesh gives joy to sub-humans who celebrated in Molenbeek, Brussels, and Turkey for the misery and death brought to Paris. Yes, there is joy in dudville, all available for endless play on YouTube.
Georgsays
It’s not naive, it’s fucking insulting and stupid.
Guy Jonessays
The query isn’t “naive;” it’s patently idiotic. It’s akin to asking if there were any redeeming qualities about Nazism. A patently irredeemable ideology of transparent fascism must unabashedly be labeled as such. The Left has great difficulty doing that when it comes to “Submission.”
Jurasays
About nacis someone can argue with the highways, about commies someone can argue with building of industry in an agrarian country. But for me as an Untermensch, kulak and kafir it is ridiculous.
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
We’re seeing society’s capacity for self-delusion stretched to the breaking point. Some are starting to think that it never will break, the Moslems will finally take over, and the delusion will persist even still. It’s possible. If you’d show me where we are today in 2001 I woulda said, no, impossible. The Hijrah over in Europe is one of the most amazing things I’ve ever seen.
somehistorysays
They do *celebrate*…after a killing. And they exhibit *glee.*
They can’t have *joy* however as Joy is a part of the fruit of the Holy Spirit of the True God. (Galatians 5:22).
They don’t get to have Joy for this reason: they have rejected God’s Holy Spirit and act contrary to how that Holy Spirit guides a person to live and act and behave in his/her daily life..
St. Croixsays
Yes, the Islamic version of a t.v. show called “Glee” would perhaps give Oates an answer to her question.
The fact that she poses it has ME asking a question, about whether she has had an Alzheimer’s check-up lately.
Joyous? Gleeful? Well, let’s look at some of their artistic videos, like the one with the young men in orange suits on the beach –ISIS glee is all over it. Write a poem about THAT, Joyce.
gravenimagesays
Important distinction, somehistory.
dragaozaosays
Joyce Carol Oates can’t be real! it’s noT possible someone made of flesh and blood, with brain and feelings post that comment. She has to be a joke. So. let’s just laugh of her.
Jay Boosays
Some would call her an uncouth disingenuous narcissistic sniper.
Also, Oates has been mocked for bemoaning the senseless slaughter of triceratops.
Her “I am so clever’ fiction is dry and tedious and has a voice that continually whispers “This is what “Joyce Carol Oates says” but Leftists eat it up trying to prove that they can decipher the convoluted plot.
Cameronsays
People who have their very own sex slaves might be feeling joyous. Doesn’t mean we should celebrate or approve of the custom…
Chrissays
They can have Joy, but it will just another rape case, that they’ll blame on their ” culture “, to get a shorter sentence.
Hokkensays
They do celebrate and distribute sweets after every atrocity, see its cultural, moral relativism at work.
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
Do you recall that mass wedding in Jerusalem a few years ago? That was the one with pubescent girls all tarted out in heavy makeup and fancy dresses marrying 20-something men. The crowd on the streets was large an joyous. What I thought was, “Man, that’s a big tiny minority of extremists right there.” The break between them and us could not be greater.
Btw, U.S. taxpayer dollars were present in the dowrys paid to the Mujahidin who were marrying the 11 yr old virgins. As always, we paid.
Sure. There is much celebration and joy in the practice of unbridled cruelty with impunity. Nazis enjoyed life, too. Life can be fun for evil people. That’s why we should kill them.
KnowThyEnemysays
Oates: “Is there nothing celebratory or joyous” about the Islamic State?
Ruhollah Khomeini already answered that question decades ago:
Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious. Islam does not allow swimming in the sea and is opposed to radio and television serials. Islam, however, allows marksmanship, horseback riding and competition …
Joyous: Killing and being killed for Allah is considered the best way to get those 72 virgins.
boocatsays
What rock has this woman been living under?
JawsVsays
I believe she teaches at Harvard. So, there you go.
JawsVsays
Sorry, Princeton. She retired last year.
St. Croixsays
The rock is inside her head. Make that rocks.
John Johnesssays
My impression is that she is saying ‘ why can’t people be nice?’ She is certain there is a human element to Islamic State. The search for niceness is a common plea. It is very feminine and maternal. They need to think that the family is safe. It is to see the cute side to an attack dog or ‘understand; why a junkie just knifed someone for money. i.e. really nasty people are just victims.
Don’t underestimate this – it is driving the press stories, politician’s statements, government handouts.
In a postmodern world or relative ethics, public sentimentalism is King,
it is so naive that perhaps we should get on the first flight to Raqqa. If she knew anything about Takfiris she would realize they celebrate a lot. Allahu Akhbar and Ma’shallah are just that. They laugh a lot too.
As to quotes from Shia clergy – nothing to do with Baghdadi’s boys.
it is interesting how the Islamic State really is helping to identify the complete idiots in the West by their comments.
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
She is certain there is a human element to Islamic State.
What she doesn’t understand is that, the way Islam works, the humanity gets shrunk and shriveled down to about the size of an acorn, replaced by animalistic aggression. The word Medieval is starting to be used in connection with Islam, but I think even back 1,400 yrs ago what Mohammed was a throw back, to the earliest days of tribalism, when theft and rape were the way. Until the money and prepubescent sex slave started to flow, he had marketing challenges. Once the booty came in, his recruitment exploded.
St. Croixsays
Definitely subhuman. You make good points APF. They really are demonic, and the deeper they get into their religion, the worse they get. Mohammed really did appeal to the lowest common denominator, and the religion seems deliberately concocted to perpetuate itself through the basest of appeals.
Jaladhisays
What this stupid moron is talking about?? Doesn’t she know that beheading, rape, murder, looting, incest, slavery, misogyny,, pedophilia, … are all “joyous” occasions in ISIS/ ISLAM!! Moron!!
Jaladhisays
It’s amazing how little the Western “intellectuals” know about Islam and ISIS!! They are in the same category as our stupid media and stupid leaders!!
Daniel Seboldsays
She is a condescending elitist playing with you all.
Jack Diamondsays
She is also one of the writers who signed the protest against PEN’s giving Charlie Hebdo a freedom of expression award after the massacre. The letter she signed said:
“To the section of the French population that is already marginalized,
embattled, and victimized, a population that is shaped by the legacy of
France’s various colonial enterprises, and that contains a large percentage
of devout Muslims, Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons of the Prophet must be seen as
being intended to cause further humiliation and suffering.”
“…PEN is not simply conveying support for freedom of expression, but also valorizing selectively
offensive material: material that intensifies the anti-Islamic, anti-Maghreb, anti-Arab sentiments
already prevalent in the Western world.”
Karensays
Puritanical? What an insult to the Puritans, and here it is Thanksgiving. Punitive? If barbaric, gratuitous, bloody violence can be described as ‘punitive’, then, I guess ISIS is punitive (snicker). Is she thinking the savagery can be balanced out by a generous ISIS health care plan?
I detect that Ms. Oates is a bit proud of her radical neutrality in this matter…..
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6317says
Adolph Hitler was pure evil. However, he was known to build good roads
St. Croixsays
Yes, that’s right. Every villain has some little thing pointing to them being still human in some way. Joyce is still looking for it in IS.
Something good about Mohammed, hmmm, let me think. I read somewhere that he liked tabby cats. Now that’s something I can really give him a nod for. But let’s see, it appears that otherwise he was 99.99999% rotten.
Every writer should know that no villain is 100% rotten to the core, at least in fiction. That makes the villain unbelievable, and is just the sort of thing JCO might have warned her students about. On the other hand, I’d say Islam, as a religion, is almost unbelievable. It is just so vividly wicked. if Islam could be a “character” in a novel, JCO, as an instructor, would say “you simply must scratch that part, it won’t hold water; nothing is as horrible as your Islam character.”
Joyce C. Oates is also becoming increasingly unbelievable. Yes, I’d say she’s becoming quite a caricature of the modern leftist female of the literary arts.
JawsVsays
This woman is a highly intelligent American writer. I’ve read one of her novels, which I enjoyed, titled: “We Were the Mulvaneys” (published in 1996). That said, how she can be so clueless about Islam I have no idea except that she’s most probably an ultra-liberal and doesn’t want to know the truth.
Jaladhisays
A better tweet would have been “Is there anything joyous in Islam”!!
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
Ironic to say, but Joyce should crack a damned book. It’s called the Holy Ko-Ran.
***
Speaking of the New Caliphate, leader Caliph Ibrahim took a PhD in Islamic Studies. If Islam is an ROP, if ISIS is a perversion of Islam, then where is the intellectual break between his professors from his youth and what he’s doing now? There is such break, because Caliph Ibrahim now is the same man he was when he was Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi when he was in graduate school. There is no argument betweem Abi then and Ibrahim now. Same guy, same doctrine. The only difference is that of stage, where’s he’s taken Allah at his word and put it into action.
Sure, lots to celebrate, if cutting off peoples heads, drowning people, burying people to death, sex slavery, crucifying children and blowing up innocent civilians gets you excited, then yes, there is cause to celebrate. However, if you are not a maniacal mass murderer you would not celebrate anything about or with them. Not a child’s birth, not a (forced)marriage, not a birthday and non of their holidays! Most certainly not any of their activities mentioned above!
Goat Pimpsays
Joyce Carol Oates mentality is what is sick and putrid about this country. The regressive liberal Islamic terrorist apologists.
eduardo odraudesays
There is a recording of some event where Stalin spoke. The applause after the speech goes on, and on, an on, because nobody wanted to be the first to stop clapping and sit back down. Some elderly person became the first, and apparently was executed for it. There you have an example of “joyous celebration” in a totalitarian setting. Endless applause for the “beloved leader” due to fear of him. But in ISIS, joy and celebration — “Allahu Akbar!!” — is over blood and beheading of the kafir, the dirty infidel.
Myxlpliksays
Joyce,
Muslims take great joy in the punative murder of apostates and infidels.
Dougsays
Sure, there is much joy and rejoicing in islam. Remember how there was jubilation over the blowing up of the World Trade Centre in 2001? I do. What about the handing out of candy when an islamic victory is announced? How about the joy over the shooting down of the Russian plane today? There is lots of joy and celebration in islam. It celebrates death.
St. Croixsays
Yes, that’s the truth. They have no end of things to celebrate these days, the “joy” never ends. And each new day brings forth more reasons to celebrate as they learn of the latest infidels around the world being tortured, abused, sold, raped, killed.
Joyce Carol Oates, another example of dhimmitude. Her ignorance is unfathomable.
Jansays
I’m surprised that Joyce Carol Oates would make such a dimwitted remark. In her writing she has often showed a strong awareness of the dark, evil side of human nature, yet she seems to be unaware of the fact that ISIS is one of the worst examples of it in the world today.
BCsays
Whoever JCO is she must be living in a cave somewhere or just willfully ignoarnt and profoundly unaware of what is going on in the ME
Angemonsays
Is there nothing celebratory & joyous
That depends – are you dressed in black, masking your face and wielding a knife or are you bound and wearing an orange jumpsuit?
Lazer Tagsays
They have lots of joy. Have you ever noticed all the dancing that goes on after they kill, rape, strangle, behead, torture, bomb, impale, burn, dissect, and electrocute non-muslims?????
Mosays
What an evil woman.
Ask the people being brutalized, tortured, slaughtered by these savages how much fun and joy they are having.
Rob Portersays
Mo, is there the possibility that Joyce Carole Oates is just a shallow retard whose pampered existence has rendered her an infantile mind that simply cannot conceive of pure evil, so she speculates whether there is something good in evil ISIS.
No Joyce, you pitiful imbecile, ISIS is pure Islamic evil that gouges out the eyes of Christian children, then beheads them in front of parents, or cuts them in half or buries them alive. This ISIS vermin rapes and makes sex slaves of Christian and Yazidi women and girls, and lines up and shoots dead scores of older women because it decides they are too old to be sex slaves.
Graphic enough for you, Joyce?
JawsVsays
Yes Joyce, they celebrate and find joy in killing, raping, beheading and mass-murdering “infidels.” Got it now?
She’s one of the morons who signed the letter condemning Charlie Hebdo’s award for courage in journalism.
Her retardation would be astounding if only, by dint of her being a liberal, it wasn’t mandatory. I have no idea how such a mental midget’s name got to be so famous.
Falafel_Akbarsays
Yes. Query is naïve, to say the least.
I haven’t seen such euphemism since I went to the war museum in Tokyo where the only reference to what happened in Manchuria in the 1930s was a passing mention of “the Nanking incident.”
gravenimagesays
Joyce Carol Oates: “Is there nothing celebratory & joyous” about ISIS?
………………………………
Sure there is! They celebrate when they behead journalists and aid workers and when they rape their Christian and Yazidi sex slaves! And they’re fun-filled when they let their little ones play with the victim’s severed heads.
Here are some fine ISIS sympathizers, celebrating the murderous attacks in Paris with a joyous burning of the French flag and screaming “Allahu Akbar!”
Ricksays
Naive, eh? Remember this was the lady who commented on Spielberg murdering a triceratops.
Oh yes, plenty of joy. They love nothing better than to inflict the most brutal death on the rest of us once they have enough of torturing us.
How would you like to give them more joy?
mortimer says
Joyce Carol Oates wonders: “Is Nothing ‘Joyous’ in ISIS?”
Is this for real?
ISIS is smashing world heritage treasures, committing multiple genocides, repressing women, cutting off hands and heads, pushing gays off roofs. Joy? Celebration?
She’s repulsive.
mortimer says
Jihadists get their joy from watching Western Leftards defend jihad from criticism. They celebrate when Joyce Carol Oates reveals her lack of awareness of the Islamic conspiracy.
Lia Wissing says
The ayatollah said it clearly: ‘There’s no fun in islam’.
Bamaguje says
Of course there is something joyous and celebratory about ISIS… just not the same way we non-Muslims understand enjoyment and celebration.
ISIS enjoys beheading and terrorizing infidels… that’s what thrills them. Then they celebrate by raping Yazidi chicks.
Virgil says
True. The word is ” TERROR” and it’s a joy for them to see people got terrorized
mortimer says
Bamugue wrote: “… just not the same way we non-Muslims understand enjoyment and celebration.”
Example:
-When suicide bombers murder civilians, Muslim sympathizers hand out candies in the streets to celebrate murder of non-Muslims.
-Mohammed smiled when loot was brought to him (Sahih Muslim 8.76.433)
-Mohammed smiled when he heared of the violent crimes of his companions (Ibn Ishaq, p502)
-Mohammed laughed violently when a prisoner was tortured (Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 150)
-Mohammed smiled while slaves were beaten before him (Abu Dawud 10:1814)
-Mohammed smiled while stolen money was brought to him (Sahih Muslim 31:6131)
-Mohammed smiled when his wives fought one another (Sahih Muslim 31:6131)
-Mohammed laughed after telling a woman to suckle an adult male (Sahih Muslim 8:3424)
-Mohammed laughed someone drank his own urine by mistake (Al-Tabari 39:199)
Muslims must imitate Mohammed’s example. Islam celebrates after someone is hurt by Muslims or suffers.
Bamaguje says
Great post, Mortimer.
gravenimage says
Second that.
stevea54 says
I looked up the Ibn Ishaq quote. It was not on p 502. My OUP edition, printed in Pakistan, was first printed in 1955; reissued in ’67; 20th impression in 2006.
Is yours a different version perhaps? If you get a spare moment could you check it please?
Thanks.
Westman says
At 77 there is a possibility of dementia interfering with Oates’ rational judgement.
Could a malevolent Daesh militant have sick twisted joy like the commandant of a Nazi death camp who shoots prisoners for entertainment? Too pedestrian and humane for Daesh. Mass slaughter and the beheading of children brings them the orgiastic thrills of Mohammad-symbiosis.
Daesh gives joy to sub-humans who celebrated in Molenbeek, Brussels, and Turkey for the misery and death brought to Paris. Yes, there is joy in dudville, all available for endless play on YouTube.
Georg says
It’s not naive, it’s fucking insulting and stupid.
Guy Jones says
The query isn’t “naive;” it’s patently idiotic. It’s akin to asking if there were any redeeming qualities about Nazism. A patently irredeemable ideology of transparent fascism must unabashedly be labeled as such. The Left has great difficulty doing that when it comes to “Submission.”
Jura says
About nacis someone can argue with the highways, about commies someone can argue with building of industry in an agrarian country. But for me as an Untermensch, kulak and kafir it is ridiculous.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
We’re seeing society’s capacity for self-delusion stretched to the breaking point. Some are starting to think that it never will break, the Moslems will finally take over, and the delusion will persist even still. It’s possible. If you’d show me where we are today in 2001 I woulda said, no, impossible. The Hijrah over in Europe is one of the most amazing things I’ve ever seen.
somehistory says
They do *celebrate*…after a killing. And they exhibit *glee.*
They can’t have *joy* however as Joy is a part of the fruit of the Holy Spirit of the True God. (Galatians 5:22).
They don’t get to have Joy for this reason: they have rejected God’s Holy Spirit and act contrary to how that Holy Spirit guides a person to live and act and behave in his/her daily life..
St. Croix says
Yes, the Islamic version of a t.v. show called “Glee” would perhaps give Oates an answer to her question.
The fact that she poses it has ME asking a question, about whether she has had an Alzheimer’s check-up lately.
Joyous? Gleeful? Well, let’s look at some of their artistic videos, like the one with the young men in orange suits on the beach –ISIS glee is all over it. Write a poem about THAT, Joyce.
gravenimage says
Important distinction, somehistory.
dragaozao says
Joyce Carol Oates can’t be real! it’s noT possible someone made of flesh and blood, with brain and feelings post that comment. She has to be a joke. So. let’s just laugh of her.
Jay Boo says
Some would call her an uncouth disingenuous narcissistic sniper.
Also, Oates has been mocked for bemoaning the senseless slaughter of triceratops.
Her “I am so clever’ fiction is dry and tedious and has a voice that continually whispers “This is what “Joyce Carol Oates says” but Leftists eat it up trying to prove that they can decipher the convoluted plot.
Cameron says
People who have their very own sex slaves might be feeling joyous. Doesn’t mean we should celebrate or approve of the custom…
Chris says
They can have Joy, but it will just another rape case, that they’ll blame on their ” culture “, to get a shorter sentence.
Hokken says
They do celebrate and distribute sweets after every atrocity, see its cultural, moral relativism at work.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Do you recall that mass wedding in Jerusalem a few years ago? That was the one with pubescent girls all tarted out in heavy makeup and fancy dresses marrying 20-something men. The crowd on the streets was large an joyous. What I thought was, “Man, that’s a big tiny minority of extremists right there.” The break between them and us could not be greater.
Btw, U.S. taxpayer dollars were present in the dowrys paid to the Mujahidin who were marrying the 11 yr old virgins. As always, we paid.
Mahmoud says
Have a look:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090807032557/http://blogs.news.sky.com/foreignmatters/Post:dcc9d723-8046-4857-b618-5c1135ba6417
Charles R.L. Power says
Sure. There is much celebration and joy in the practice of unbridled cruelty with impunity. Nazis enjoyed life, too. Life can be fun for evil people. That’s why we should kill them.
KnowThyEnemy says
Oates: “Is there nothing celebratory or joyous” about the Islamic State?
Ruhollah Khomeini already answered that question decades ago:
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_thought_and_legacy_of_Ruhollah_Khomeini
pdxnag says
Joyous: Killing and being killed for Allah is considered the best way to get those 72 virgins.
boocat says
What rock has this woman been living under?
JawsV says
I believe she teaches at Harvard. So, there you go.
JawsV says
Sorry, Princeton. She retired last year.
St. Croix says
The rock is inside her head. Make that rocks.
John Johness says
My impression is that she is saying ‘ why can’t people be nice?’ She is certain there is a human element to Islamic State. The search for niceness is a common plea. It is very feminine and maternal. They need to think that the family is safe. It is to see the cute side to an attack dog or ‘understand; why a junkie just knifed someone for money. i.e. really nasty people are just victims.
Don’t underestimate this – it is driving the press stories, politician’s statements, government handouts.
In a postmodern world or relative ethics, public sentimentalism is King,
it is so naive that perhaps we should get on the first flight to Raqqa. If she knew anything about Takfiris she would realize they celebrate a lot. Allahu Akhbar and Ma’shallah are just that. They laugh a lot too.
As to quotes from Shia clergy – nothing to do with Baghdadi’s boys.
it is interesting how the Islamic State really is helping to identify the complete idiots in the West by their comments.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
She is certain there is a human element to Islamic State.
What she doesn’t understand is that, the way Islam works, the humanity gets shrunk and shriveled down to about the size of an acorn, replaced by animalistic aggression. The word Medieval is starting to be used in connection with Islam, but I think even back 1,400 yrs ago what Mohammed was a throw back, to the earliest days of tribalism, when theft and rape were the way. Until the money and prepubescent sex slave started to flow, he had marketing challenges. Once the booty came in, his recruitment exploded.
St. Croix says
Definitely subhuman. You make good points APF. They really are demonic, and the deeper they get into their religion, the worse they get. Mohammed really did appeal to the lowest common denominator, and the religion seems deliberately concocted to perpetuate itself through the basest of appeals.
Jaladhi says
What this stupid moron is talking about?? Doesn’t she know that beheading, rape, murder, looting, incest, slavery, misogyny,, pedophilia, … are all “joyous” occasions in ISIS/ ISLAM!! Moron!!
Jaladhi says
It’s amazing how little the Western “intellectuals” know about Islam and ISIS!! They are in the same category as our stupid media and stupid leaders!!
Daniel Sebold says
She is a condescending elitist playing with you all.
Jack Diamond says
She is also one of the writers who signed the protest against PEN’s giving Charlie Hebdo a freedom of expression award after the massacre. The letter she signed said:
“To the section of the French population that is already marginalized,
embattled, and victimized, a population that is shaped by the legacy of
France’s various colonial enterprises, and that contains a large percentage
of devout Muslims, Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons of the Prophet must be seen as
being intended to cause further humiliation and suffering.”
“…PEN is not simply conveying support for freedom of expression, but also valorizing selectively
offensive material: material that intensifies the anti-Islamic, anti-Maghreb, anti-Arab sentiments
already prevalent in the Western world.”
Karen says
Puritanical? What an insult to the Puritans, and here it is Thanksgiving. Punitive? If barbaric, gratuitous, bloody violence can be described as ‘punitive’, then, I guess ISIS is punitive (snicker). Is she thinking the savagery can be balanced out by a generous ISIS health care plan?
I detect that Ms. Oates is a bit proud of her radical neutrality in this matter…..
.
6317 says
Adolph Hitler was pure evil. However, he was known to build good roads
St. Croix says
Yes, that’s right. Every villain has some little thing pointing to them being still human in some way. Joyce is still looking for it in IS.
Something good about Mohammed, hmmm, let me think. I read somewhere that he liked tabby cats. Now that’s something I can really give him a nod for. But let’s see, it appears that otherwise he was 99.99999% rotten.
Every writer should know that no villain is 100% rotten to the core, at least in fiction. That makes the villain unbelievable, and is just the sort of thing JCO might have warned her students about. On the other hand, I’d say Islam, as a religion, is almost unbelievable. It is just so vividly wicked. if Islam could be a “character” in a novel, JCO, as an instructor, would say “you simply must scratch that part, it won’t hold water; nothing is as horrible as your Islam character.”
Joyce C. Oates is also becoming increasingly unbelievable. Yes, I’d say she’s becoming quite a caricature of the modern leftist female of the literary arts.
JawsV says
This woman is a highly intelligent American writer. I’ve read one of her novels, which I enjoyed, titled: “We Were the Mulvaneys” (published in 1996). That said, how she can be so clueless about Islam I have no idea except that she’s most probably an ultra-liberal and doesn’t want to know the truth.
Jaladhi says
A better tweet would have been “Is there anything joyous in Islam”!!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Ironic to say, but Joyce should crack a damned book. It’s called the Holy Ko-Ran.
***
Speaking of the New Caliphate, leader Caliph Ibrahim took a PhD in Islamic Studies. If Islam is an ROP, if ISIS is a perversion of Islam, then where is the intellectual break between his professors from his youth and what he’s doing now? There is such break, because Caliph Ibrahim now is the same man he was when he was Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi when he was in graduate school. There is no argument betweem Abi then and Ibrahim now. Same guy, same doctrine. The only difference is that of stage, where’s he’s taken Allah at his word and put it into action.
Treebird says
Sure, lots to celebrate, if cutting off peoples heads, drowning people, burying people to death, sex slavery, crucifying children and blowing up innocent civilians gets you excited, then yes, there is cause to celebrate. However, if you are not a maniacal mass murderer you would not celebrate anything about or with them. Not a child’s birth, not a (forced)marriage, not a birthday and non of their holidays! Most certainly not any of their activities mentioned above!
Goat Pimp says
Joyce Carol Oates mentality is what is sick and putrid about this country. The regressive liberal Islamic terrorist apologists.
eduardo odraude says
There is a recording of some event where Stalin spoke. The applause after the speech goes on, and on, an on, because nobody wanted to be the first to stop clapping and sit back down. Some elderly person became the first, and apparently was executed for it. There you have an example of “joyous celebration” in a totalitarian setting. Endless applause for the “beloved leader” due to fear of him. But in ISIS, joy and celebration — “Allahu Akbar!!” — is over blood and beheading of the kafir, the dirty infidel.
Myxlplik says
Joyce,
Muslims take great joy in the punative murder of apostates and infidels.
Doug says
Sure, there is much joy and rejoicing in islam. Remember how there was jubilation over the blowing up of the World Trade Centre in 2001? I do. What about the handing out of candy when an islamic victory is announced? How about the joy over the shooting down of the Russian plane today? There is lots of joy and celebration in islam. It celebrates death.
St. Croix says
Yes, that’s the truth. They have no end of things to celebrate these days, the “joy” never ends. And each new day brings forth more reasons to celebrate as they learn of the latest infidels around the world being tortured, abused, sold, raped, killed.
Joyce Carol Oates, another example of dhimmitude. Her ignorance is unfathomable.
Jan says
I’m surprised that Joyce Carol Oates would make such a dimwitted remark. In her writing she has often showed a strong awareness of the dark, evil side of human nature, yet she seems to be unaware of the fact that ISIS is one of the worst examples of it in the world today.
BC says
Whoever JCO is she must be living in a cave somewhere or just willfully ignoarnt and profoundly unaware of what is going on in the ME
Angemon says
That depends – are you dressed in black, masking your face and wielding a knife or are you bound and wearing an orange jumpsuit?
Lazer Tag says
They have lots of joy. Have you ever noticed all the dancing that goes on after they kill, rape, strangle, behead, torture, bomb, impale, burn, dissect, and electrocute non-muslims?????
Mo says
What an evil woman.
Ask the people being brutalized, tortured, slaughtered by these savages how much fun and joy they are having.
Rob Porter says
Mo, is there the possibility that Joyce Carole Oates is just a shallow retard whose pampered existence has rendered her an infantile mind that simply cannot conceive of pure evil, so she speculates whether there is something good in evil ISIS.
No Joyce, you pitiful imbecile, ISIS is pure Islamic evil that gouges out the eyes of Christian children, then beheads them in front of parents, or cuts them in half or buries them alive. This ISIS vermin rapes and makes sex slaves of Christian and Yazidi women and girls, and lines up and shoots dead scores of older women because it decides they are too old to be sex slaves.
Graphic enough for you, Joyce?
JawsV says
Yes Joyce, they celebrate and find joy in killing, raping, beheading and mass-murdering “infidels.” Got it now?
UNCLE VLADDI says
She’s one of the morons who signed the letter condemning Charlie Hebdo’s award for courage in journalism.
Her retardation would be astounding if only, by dint of her being a liberal, it wasn’t mandatory. I have no idea how such a mental midget’s name got to be so famous.
Falafel_Akbar says
Yes. Query is naïve, to say the least.
I haven’t seen such euphemism since I went to the war museum in Tokyo where the only reference to what happened in Manchuria in the 1930s was a passing mention of “the Nanking incident.”
gravenimage says
Joyce Carol Oates: “Is there nothing celebratory & joyous” about ISIS?
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Sure there is! They celebrate when they behead journalists and aid workers and when they rape their Christian and Yazidi sex slaves! And they’re fun-filled when they let their little ones play with the victim’s severed heads.
Here are some fine ISIS sympathizers, celebrating the murderous attacks in Paris with a joyous burning of the French flag and screaming “Allahu Akbar!”
Rick says
Naive, eh? Remember this was the lady who commented on Spielberg murdering a triceratops.
http://media.syracuse.com/entertainment_impact/photo/joyce-carol-oates-tweet-db5212359ce81baf.jpg
Peggy says
Oh yes, plenty of joy. They love nothing better than to inflict the most brutal death on the rest of us once they have enough of torturing us.
How would you like to give them more joy?