The cardinal said that “Muslims look on Christians as weak and believe that since they have no children and barely practice their faith, Islam will easily conquer them. Sadly, Muslims take their faith more seriously than most Christians, and they are gaining ground because of it.”
And the weaker Christians and Westerners look, the more conquering Muslims will do, and all the more quickly.
“Patriarch of Antioch: Muslims want to conquer Europe with ‘faith and the birthrate'” by Thomas D. Williams, PhD, Breitbart News, November 6, 2015:
In a stunning interview, the Maronite patriarch of Antioch, Cardinal Bechara Boutros al-Rahi, has contended that Islam has a clear, two-pronged strategy to take over Europe: religion and procreation.
The cardinal said that Muslims look on Christians as weak and believe that since they have no children and barely practice their faith, Islam will easily conquer them. Sadly, he said, Muslims take their faith more seriously than most Christians, and they are gaining ground because of it.
“I have often heard from Muslims that their goal is to conquer Europe with two weapons: their faith and their birthrate,” al-Rahi said in a recent interview with Famiglia Cristiana, an Italian Catholic weekly magazine.
For the Muslims, the Cardinal said, “the practice of the faith is essential and fundamental. In Saudi Arabia they go to Friday prayers even if they need a walking stick. They know the Koran by heart, and when they talk they often cite it. The same is not true for Christians who do not refer either to the Bible or the teachings of the Church.”
The Muslims “believe that God’s will is to procreate and that marriage is aimed at this,” he said. “They think that numbers will give them the upper hand.”
Christians, however, “hardly get married anymore, and have few children,” he said.
The Cardinal also said that Muslims “identify anything that comes from the West as Christian per se. All Western politics is Christian politics, it is a new crusade. They say that Christians are the remains of the Crusades and of Western imperialism,” he said.
At the same time, al-Rahi sharply criticized the EU’s ineffective solutions to Europe’s migration crisis, arguing that the only way to end the chaos is by stopping the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.
The 75-year-old cardinal is the Maronite Patriarch of the ancient city of Antioch, where Christianity has deep and millennial roots. He said that the ongoing conflict provoked by the Islamic State is forcing both Christians and moderate Muslims to emigrate from the Holy Land, so before all else, attention must be given to putting an end to the siege.
It is useless for Europe to quarrel over the reception of refugees without addressing the root cause of emigration from the Middle East, which is armed conflict, he said.
“The first thing to do to protect Christians in the Middle East is to end the war in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Palestine,” the Cardinal said. “European states quarrel with each other about the number of refugees to be admitted but do nothing to end the conflict.”
“The Middle East is emptying and leaving the field open to fundamentalist and terrorist organizations,” al-Rahi said. For some reason, he said, “States do not talk about it, the only one making appeals is Pope Francis.”
“Europe is talking about the reception of refugees, those who would like ten thousand and another who will take three thousand people, but this does not help us,” he said. “Europe should focus on the cause of migration, namely the war. You have to turn off the tap and ensure that Muslims and Christians will return to their lands.”
“A Middle East without Christians,” the Cardinal continued, “has no identity.”
“This is the place of all divine revelation. It is where Jesus took flesh, died and rose again. It is where the Church was born and began to proclaim the Gospel to the world,” he said.
Al-Rahi also noted that Christians resent being called a “minority” in the Middle East. We have been here for two thousand years, he said, “six hundred years before the arrival of Islam.”
“Just as Europe discusses how to preserve its identity, it is urgent that we do the same,” he said.
Spot On says
Wise man. He knows…. I wish Western Catholic leaders were not so dumb.
sabu Alias says
The problem is that there are no Christians or a very few Christians in Europe now . I think less than those remaining in ME. The name sake fools are worse tan Muslims and are discussing gay rights and Muslim rights rather than liberty ,democracy ,women right and moreover Christian rights and values
mortimer says
Few Western Christians are well enough educated about Marxism to say what is wrong with it. This gives the Leftarded cultural Marxists an unfair advantage that they exploit unethically by using Alinsky’s methods.
abad says
Bingo.
As soon as Europe went secular Socialist decades ago, Christianity went downhill for the most part.
Godwin says
No. all because of the weak n corrupt leaders kowtowing, like BHO, to the Soddy Barbaria n gang. Will Putin, Xi jinpeng n other East Asian leaders do the same ?
Raja says
Sabu I agree with you. The situation is lamentable.
christianblood says
Western Catholic/Protestant leaders think that “islamo-phobia” and “climate change” are the most dangerous issues that the world faces and the majority of the Western society and leaders agree with them. Many Christians in the M.E are asking themselves what will it take for the Western world to wake up and understand what the real threat is? What do you think it will take for the Western world to wake up?
Spot On says
“What do you think it will take for the Western world to wake up?”
I hate to say it but I believe it will take a knock on the door or extended electric failure and that will be too late for at least 90% of the people. Or possibly the Mohammetans will get good at downing airplanes and people will start squawking because they can’t go where they want to go. I am appalled by the gross stupidity I see all around us.
I believe the natural human focus mechanism has been altered by TV, computer, and smart phones. Also, common sense has taken a back seat due to urbanization.
christianblood says
I agree. The unluckiest ones are Christians and other non-muslims who fled from the islamic world because of muslim persecution and settled in the West and then find the same fearful islamic jihadist mentality and hateful actions are taking root in the West.
As Nonie Darwish said, where shall we go next? To the Moon?
Spot On says
It cannot be said strongly enough that the world is in very bad shape all thanks to Muslim savages and their barbaric philosophy. Christians are stupid in a kind way but Muslims are more stupid in a heartless way. Either of these philosophies will likely get a person killed. Muslims are cold blooded killers that prey on people. They are worthless. They have no heart. Christians have a heart and soul. Muslims do not. Christians drive standards of life up and Muslims drive standards of life down. Children and women are treated well by Christians. They are preyed upon by Muslims. Muslims do not believe in the Golden rule and have no empathy for others. Christians do. Christ very strongly believed in the Golden Rule and had great empathy for others.
Muslims believe in strong aggressive military action without provocation and Christians believe in strong military action only as a self defense.
Caro says
So true!
mortimer says
Wise man…yes. Wouldn’t it be nice if Pope Francis chose him as his adviser on Islam…instead of the uninformed advisers he is using now…as well as the pope’s very own WISHFUL THINKING and GUESSING about Islam.
‘GUESSING’ is neither acceptable nor praiseworthy in a leader who should DO THE RESEARCH NECESSARY to reach a ‘wise’ conclusion.
While agreeing with al-Rahi on Islam, I disagree about his demographics. The birthrate in Islamic countries is plummeting and will soon reach the same low level as in the West due to the increasingly universal education of girls in the Muslim countries.
Mazo says
In urban areas with modern lifestyles the birthrate is plummeting and causes the overall birthrate to go down.
In rural areas in the Islamic world women still have over 7-10 children. And in areas of the west, rednecks and white trash and welfare recipients all have over 6 kids as well.
The difference is that the welfare recipients and white trash don’t know who the daddy is.
Jay Boo says
What does Mazo mean by — (and)”?
Mazo is either being coy or racist when stating:
“welfare recipients and white trash”
Who are these “welfare recipients”
Jay Boo says
Hungary set the golden example.
gravenimage says
Good God–more tripe from Mazo, who evidently believes watching Maury Pauvich will teach him about the West,
And odd that he would denigrate welfare recipients, since the biggest recipients of welfare in Europe are his own pious coreligionists.
And why not? Muslims–as taught by their foul “Prophet”–disdain productive labor. Muhammed believed that Muslims should live off caravan-raiding, kidnapping and ransom, piracy, demands of Jizya and tribute, and the efforts of their enslaved victims–in other words, that they should live as parasites off the labor of others.
No wonder so many Muslims are on the dole–including 53% of working-age males, and 75% of Muslimahs in Britain.
Anjem Choudary said that “labor is the lot of the kafir. Muslim men have a higher obligation than working for mere material sustenance. The Quran bids them to wage jihad until all the world obeys the word of Allah.”
“Taking the payments freely offered to us by the government enables us to devote our full energy to the struggle to make Islam dominant,” Choudary said. “It also initiates the unbelievers in their proper role under sharia law, while helping to divert resources that might otherwise be used to resist our march toward the global caliphate.”
So what Mazo *really* objects to is the idea that some few of those welfare recipients might not be Muslim…
Christianblood says
Spot On
(…It cannot be said strongly enough that the world is in very bad shape all thanks to Muslim savages and their barbaric philosophy…)
I agree with you but I will take it one point further and say the world is in very bad shape all thanks to Muslim savages and their barbaric philosophy but also because non-muslims, especially people in the post-Christian Western world and those that imitate their secular humanist sociopolitical way of life are both unable and unwilling to fight back against barbaric muslim savages and their evil ideological philosophy. The only way to stop muslim savages and their barbaric ideology is to fight back against their evil ideology with all possible means.
Mary says
Okay. Your kind of wrong.
Let me tell you something.
I am a maronite. The maronite bishop for australia, bishop tarabay, held a conference for the youth, which had 300 young maronites on a site , which contained workshops. One of these workshops was called “islamophobia”.
Now the bishop himself held this workshop, and mind you it was only meant to be held once in the retreat conference but he held is more than once due to the demand by the youth. Here is my point. I thought it was to discuss islam.
It wasnt
Listen to what he did. He said we need NOT to be islamophbic and start to have islamaphila (phila in greek means love).
Let me tell you, this is the EXACT scheme the pope is holding. That islam is a religion of peace (which is exactly what tarabay said).
There is a problem. This patriarch said half correctly what he said about islam
But then he had to add something about moderation. Your either a muslim or your not likewise for catholicism. Enough of this moderation crap, like you can try and moderate a religion!!!!, enough !!!!!!
There is a problem. A big one. And its going to australia very soon
You cant walk into lakember, bankstown, yagonna, punchbowl, greenarce, belmore, canterbury, etc.
All muslims. Even the ones that cover their eyes. Its ridiculous and, mind you, quite frightening.
God help us
Caro says
I agree, Mary. Our traitorous politicians have a lot to answer for. Sometime, someday, somehow, someone is going to have to answer for this terror with which we now have to live and also for this lunacy called ‘political correctness’ which has effectively put a noose around our necks. The noose gets pulled tighter, even when we are stating truthful facts. Now, with the recently installed data retention laws, the noose has tightened quite considerably in Australia.
But this terror has all been in the planning for more than one hundred years. Unfortunately, this forum does not allow me to name names! A good place to start is called: The United Nations. They exist not to ‘unite’ but to ‘absorb’ countries and they seem to be winning! Yes, God is the only one who can help us and I pray every day for this help.
Mary says
God help us indeed.
I dont know what to add, you said the rest. If julie bishop signs us with the UN, then HELLO SHARIA LAW! Because the UN is ALL for muslims!
Christianblood says
Mary
I fully agree with your points!
Please keep posting your great observations so that others can learn from them. I might add also God will not help us unless we (infidels everywhere) wake up and smell the coffee!
Douglas Brown says
Would that this current ‘climate change’ Pope were a Christian, exactly as Obama confessing Christianity but ardently allows a full scale Islamic take-over to happen. Both men are two-faced, false, and may well be represented in the Bible as bad guy # 1, and bad guy # 2.
Jeremiah says
. . . but one thing we are good at is cowering and appeasing terrorism. While men are difficult to find, let us be grateful for the women like Pamela Geller, Brigitte Gabriel and others.
Truth Teller says
Huh? You haven’t heard of Robert Spencer, Raymond Ibrahim, Salman Rushdie and the hundred other men fighting on this front? Let’s stop with the woman-worship and keep it real.
christian wife says
There are many true Christians, both men and women, Dr Bill Warner comes to mind, who devote their lives to educating the Christian West about the true nature of Islam. Within Islam, women are less tham men, and are regarded as having a lower IQ. Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ was the first who respected men and women equally. It is a telling sign, if somebody talks negatively about women. In Christ, there is no slave or jew, no women or men, we are all equally important. May Our Lord watch over us all as we try to educate all Westeners about the importance of returning to the Churches in this very real spiritual and physical war against the anti-christs (Allah and Muhammed).
Caro says
Quite right, Christian wife. I have no doubt in my mind that these troubled times are a result of many people, having turned their backs to Jesus, saying he is no longer relevant in their lives. If many of them returned to their faith, world matters may take a different direction. As things stand at present, it is utter ‘white genocide’ that is being committed worldwide and it won’t stop until the last white child has been chased down!
Christianblood says
christian wife
Thank you very much sister! You are right. Dr Bill Warner, Dr. Robert Spencer, Dr. Jamie Glazov, Brigitte Gabriel, Pamella Geller and many, many others are all great people who are daily speaking the truth about islamo-fascism but very, very few people are listening or even care and it is an uphill task to help Western people understand these facts in this age of political-correctness and extreme moral relativism. God bless you and keep up the good work!
gravenimage says
Yes–there are brave men *and* women in the Counter Jihad. I value them all!
worldcitizen1919 says
They must want the refugees otherwise they would force a UN meeting to address the conflicts. To ignore the tap and leave it running means they or someone doesn’t want the conflicts to end for some strange reasons and that’s very worrying.
johnKD says
this article is bs.
-this bishop is a moron. He praises the leftist traitor pope Francis who loves moslems but not even mention the genocide and expellation of 1.3 mio christians in irak from 2003 to 2015.
-a generic “war” in middle east is not the reason of the “refugee crisis”. The reason is the perversion which is called islam and the proxy war between the islamic sects of shiites and sunnis. It could only be ended by the west by applying ultra violent military force which annihilates all members of both sects. This scenario is not very likely atm when the leftwing traitors are ruling the western world. So that what the bishops wants is impossible. Even if Syria bill be silenced by Assat or other tyrant again, the proxy war will carry on in another country.
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Mary says
Oh my gosh your so right !
This is what i posted on this page but ill post it again.
Look at what happened here
Okay. Let me tell you something.
I am a maronite. The maronite bishop for australia, bishop tarabay, held a conference for the youth, which had 300 young maronites on a site , which contained workshops. One of these workshops was called “islamophobia”.
Now the bishop himself held this workshop, and mind you it was only meant to be held once in the retreat conference but he held is more than once due to the demand by the youth. Here is my point. I thought it was to discuss islam.
It wasnt
Listen to what he did. He said we need NOT to be islamophbic and start to have islamaphila (phila in greek means love).
Let me tell you, this is the EXACT scheme the pope is holding. That islam is a religion of peace (which is exactly what tarabay said).
There is a problem. This patriarch said half correctly what he said about islam
But then he had to add something about moderation. Your either a muslim or your not likewise for catholicism. Enough of this moderation crap, like you can try and moderate a religion!!!!, enough !!!!!!
There is a problem. A big one. And its going to australia very soon
You cant walk into lakember, bankstown, yagonna, punchbowl, greenarce, belmore, canterbury, etc.
All muslims. Even the ones that cover their eyes. Its ridiculous and, mind you, quite frightening.
God help us
voegelinian says
Thanks Mary — you’re the only commenter on here as far as I can tell who called this Patriarch on his camelcrap about “moderate Muslims”.
“This patriarch said half correctly what he said about islam
But then he had to add something about moderation. Your either a muslim or your not likewise for catholicism. Enough of this moderation crap”
Middle Eastern clergy seem to be deeply compromised by latent residues of dhimmi reflexes, and it manifests itself in remarks like that.
Mary says
Thanks for your comment v!! (I’m going to call you v because your name is a bit hard )
It seems some people are bypassing what this stupid patriarch is saying.
Your right. It is residue. Maybe it’s more than that.
It’s wilful ignorance and plain stupidity.
Welcome to the world.
More where that came from.
You can’t moderate religion. If one does, it no longer becomes a religion. It becomes grey mess.
Mary says
By the way this patriarch is worshipped like some sort of king. Did you know when they bought him to aurtralia how much money them spent on him? I got inside news- they spent over 150 000$$ on him (at least 1/3 for his air flight) and they were screaming and crying for him and kissing him like he was god. He isnt. We shouldnt be acting like this (when i say we i mean THESE lebanese idiots, im leb so im allowed to say this)
The lebanese christians are corruption, the amount corruption i can leak about the maronites is overwhelming.
The maronite eparchy has something else coming for it.
Christianblood says
Mary, there is nothing wrong to venerate and highly esteem our religious leaders and this happens in all Eastern Rite Christians but the wrong thing is the other issues that are based on willful ignorance that you mentioned in your first comment. God bless you!
Mary says
Christianblood
Thanks for your comment.
Highly esteeming? Is that what you call it ?
I’m sorry (but then I’m not) that you think so because that’s not what it is.
To highly esteem such fools as this patriarch is NOT to worship him as he is god nor is it to lavish him and scream after him like we are idolising him.
Yes, my first comment is quite accurate. I was going to that conference until I read the description. And then later on found out by an insider what had happened in there.
It’s more than wilful ignorance.
It’s plain stupidity. They think they can make peace ! What peace can one make with barbarians? This so called making of peace has been tried for over 1000 years. Look at history. The caliphates all ended in disaster. And mind you all have one thing in common.
The killing of Jew’s and Christan’s. The dominance of the Islamic state.
The eastern right has so much corruption I would say it all but I’m afraid that there wouldn’t be enough typing space nor enough time to enlighten the world.
God bless.
voegelinian says
One of the most famous Christian Lebanese statesmen of modern times was Charles Malik, who helped author the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights in 1948 (a template of guidelines which the Muslim world has studiously avoided implementing, by the way — see http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2008/08/proto-caliphate-oic_06.html).
In this old interview some time in the 1950s, it is not only disturbing but surreal to see someone as intelligent as Charles Malik, and who had lived and known Lebanon so well, say emphatically that Muslims and Christians live in perfect harmony with each other in Lebanon — and he seems to imply that this applies not only currently, in the 1950s at the time of this interview, but also for decades past (if not, indeed, for the indefinite future):
See this tube chop snippet: http://swf.tubechop.com/tubechop.swf?vurl=amq-hLK3ywU&start=65&end=139&cid=6419316
Alpheratz says
They think Christians are weak but they don’t see the Christian God and here lies their doom.
Christianblood says
Mary
as I said above it is good to venerate and revere our good and godly religious leaders
who are dedicated to Christ but I agree with you in what you pointed out in your previous comment. BTW Mary, are you still in the Maronite Rite or am I sensing that are you now following Western Protestantism?
God bless you Mary and keep up the good work!
Mary says
I thank you for your encouragement but you seem to be missing the point.
Your missed on both your guesses.
God bless.
Mike says
Christians are safe in Israel.
The Christian population there has even increased.
Oddly, Israeli Christians also have a (relatively) low birthrate, compared to other populations in Israel.
Angemon says
Smart man. He gets a couple of things wrong, but overall he gets it.
Mary says
Thats what i thought. Half way through he seems to contradict himself
Marty says
In the UK this has been happening for years.
In a recent court case a muslim who had 9 kids & living on benefits
needed a translater in court.
In the UK it is “racist” to demand immigrants living on our taxes to
speak English or desist dressing like Third World savages.
A friend of mine (who is de facto ex muslim) often remarks
“we are taking over”.
Her mixed race kids are excellent mainstream teenagers, but some
of her family are distinctly muslim.
Which is why she keeps quiet.
christianblood says
Maronite Patriarch of Antioch: “…Muslims want to conquer Europe with ‘faith and the birthrate…”
And also with full American/Western support for the global islamic jihadist movements while they are dismantling and destroying Christianity in the West.
Westman says
I see this all very differently, as another step in the evolution of humans toward casting off organized religion of all kinds. Not to offend, I’m simply making an assessment based on observation and experience.
The Free World and even Russia and China are not likely to return to dogmatic religion. This does not mean Atheism but rather a drift toward freedom and self-determination. The Hijra to Europe should actually weaken Islam by distributing the believers in a world where language, jobs, and acceptance will retard their progress. Bunching together in little “Eurabias” will simply make it worse for Muslims, creating ghettos that will be shunned by the host country’s citizens. The next generation, having better prospects, will have options to minimize the role of Islam or return to the native country.
The best model is the migration from Cuba to “Little Havana” in which the original generation is dying off, most will never return, and the new generations, free of the parents animosities, are staying in the US. The migration from the ME can only be kept from this same result by a pacification of the ME in a very short period. The free world seems unable to bring the draculean force and methods to accomplish that, so the muslim migrants should be considered a “lost generation”.
It appears that the only sad but rational outcome will be eventual civil wars in Europe if Muslims attempt to dominate. The assumption that there will be a takeover by Islam is shaky at best.
The new ancillary religion of the West is Freedom and Self-determination that crosses all ideological boundaries and is a common loci to which Europeans will rally. PEGITA is already demonstrating this. Unlike formal religion there is nothing limiting what free people will do to preserve their freedom.
Mazo says
Religion isn’t what Europeans are really afraid of.
If all the migrants converted to Christianity Europeans would still want them out.
They are afraid of the virility of the mostly alpha male Middle Eastern, African, and South Asian migrants who will impregnate European women and permanently dilute and alter the Europene gene pool and effect permanent ethnic changes in the demographic maps of Europe.
Westman says
I don’t think that will happen for at least a generation, if at all. Women are just as wise as men when it comes to choosing a father for their children. It’s more likely that sexual crimes will significantly increase as Muslims are rejected as suitable mates.
Mazo says
Many women in Europe willingly spread their legs for the “brown people” (as vogon calls them).
Angemon says
Mazo, I know you’re obsessed with race, but stop projecting your mind on others.
Christianblood says
Second and third immigrant muslims in the West become more radical and even violent jihadists who are ready to wage violent islamic jihad. Extreme Western secularism and moral relativism pushes muslims to find meaning in their violent and hateful religion. I believe most of the islamic radicalization that you see in the West today is in reaction of Western moral relativism and decadence that muslims are seeing all around them in the West. I am not saying this to belittle islam’s violent past and the evil nature of its teachings but this new wave of islamic aggression which is pushed by Saudi Arabia found a very fertile ground to grow in the moral relativist and decadent postmodern Western environment.
Westman says
The problem with their version of “the meaning of life” is that it is a “leveling nihilism” that robs life of joy, placing so many restrictions on life that it becomes a cycle of redundancy consisting mainly of Islam’s rituals. There is no great art, music, science, or world improvement in Islam.
The outcasts (not poverty-stricken) of Europe will join to “belong”. Those who are comfortable with themselves cannot be advanced by Islam and will resist it. There is no going back for Western society under the name of any religion. The failure of the moral majority and fundamentalists to elect Pat Robertson as POTUS was a one-way gate into a more secular future. Even Islam cannot reverse it.
voegelinian says
“Extreme Western secularism and moral relativism pushes muslims to find meaning in their violent and hateful religion. I believe most of the islamic radicalization that you see in the West today is in reaction of Western moral relativism and decadence that muslims are seeing all around them in the West.”
If Christianblood is a Middle Eastern Christian (as he has seemed to imply), then this piece of specious conjecture I quoted from him reveals a startling yet unsurprising spasm of dhimmi reflexes in the form of an almost breathtaking ignorance of Islamic motivation. If, however, Christianblood is not a Middle Eastern Christian, the words quoted simply manifest one typical PC MC spasm which I call D’Souzite — named after Dinesh D’Souza, the Indian Christian conservative who in a fit of appalling ignorance of the depravity of Islam has admired Islam for its “traditional values” contrasted to a “decadent West”.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“If Christianblood is a Middle Eastern Christian (as he has seemed to imply), then this piece of specious conjecture I quoted from him reveals a startling yet unsurprising spasm of dhimmi reflexes in the form of an almost breathtaking ignorance of Islamic motivation. If, however, Christianblood is not a Middle Eastern Christian, the words quoted simply manifest one typical PC MC spasm which I call D’Souzite — named after Dinesh D’Souza, the Indian Christian conservative who in a fit of appalling ignorance of the depravity of Islam has admired Islam for its “traditional values” contrasted to a “decadent West”.”
Are you talking about the same Christianblood you took a liking to? You know, the “rare voice of sanity” on a JW comments section?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/christian-leader-invites-islamic-state-leaders-to-dinner-they-respond-well-chop-your-head-off/comment-page-2#comment-1318933
voegelinian says
This is the second time Angemon slyly has posted my initial approval of Christianblood — while ignoring my subsequent disapproval of Christianblood on that same thread (which Angemon saw at the time because he replied to it). All the reader has to do is follow Angemon’s supposedly incriminating link and search for “voegelinian” and find my other comment which Angemon is studiously neglecting to mention.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“This is the second time Angemon slyly has posted my initial approval of Christianblood — while ignoring my subsequent disapproval of Christianblood on that same thread (which Angemon saw at the time because he replied to it).”
It’s worth pointing out that your initial approval came at a time where there was more than enough evidence to substantiate the case that CB hates the West as much or more than he hates muslims, as pointed out by gravenimage on her November 1, 2015 at 8:18 pm post. Which follows CB’s call to nuke Mecca. But all you saw was someone saying something very similar to what you were saying, tunnel vision kicked in, and you went on to prove that your judgement can’t be trusted. Which is important because you expect everyone here to take your words as gospel. And you know this because I’ve explained it to you, a fact you “forgot” to mention – why let facts get in the way of a good sob story, right?
Mary says
Angemon and Voegelinian
Why are you guys fighting ?
Like seriously ?
I don’t get it.
Angemon says
Mary posted:
“Angemon and Voegelinian
Why are you guys fighting ?
Like seriously ?
I don’t get it.”
Long story short: voegelinian went out of his way to harass, slander and insult me, going as far as to email people and demand them to do the same, and getting people from other venues to come here and do the same.
Mary says
Oh my goodness. This is foolish.
I’m hoping that your both adults and will stop this.
And if Angemon is saying factly and correctly what he has said, the needless do I say that Voegelinian needs NOT to do that.
This is a site AGAINST Islam and instead we are going against our selves.
Angemon says
Ugh, accidentally tapped “post comment”
To add to that, he did so because I dared to question him on his seditious “total deportation” nonsense. That made me an untermensch on his eyes – someone that’s less than human and therefore justifies treating in a manner you wouldn’t treat a fellow human being. Recently he referred to me as a dog that needed to be muzzled.
Mary says
???
Wow. That’s sad.
I don’t know what to say.
Is there not any peace even amongst ourselves ?
Obviously not.
That’s okay. Sometimes I press the button as well and then crap I should have hhahahahaha
Back to the point, your not a dog.
If he said that, I hope he didn’t, that’s not right. That would be argumentum as hominiem (attacking the person) which would be fallacious.
Angemon says
Mary posted:
“Back to the point, your not a dog.
If he said that, I hope he didn’t, that’s not right. That would be argumentum as hominiem (attacking the person) which would be fallacious.”
As confirmed by the person he brought here to harass and insult me:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/uc-merced-stabber-devout-muslim-manifesto-included-praise-allah-beheading-plan/comment-page-1#comment-1321337
“Is there not any peace even amongst ourselves ?
Obviously not. ”
There is, for the most part. We have all manner of people from all walks of life united with one common goal, so every once in a while sparks may fly. Don’t let a little spat among two users make it seem otherwise. Vocal as they may get, it’s the exception, not the rule 🙂
gravenimage says
Christianblood wrote:
Second and third immigrant muslims in the West become more radical and even violent jihadists who are ready to wage violent islamic jihad. Extreme Western secularism and moral relativism pushes muslims to find meaning in their violent and hateful religion. I believe most of the islamic radicalization that you see in the West today is in reaction of Western moral relativism and decadence that muslims are seeing all around them in the West.
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This is the usual–that pious Muslim have been driven to wage violent Jihad by the alleged decadence of the West.
Of course, this does not explain why devout Jews and Christians are not also violently attacking the West.
Nor, of course, does it explain why Muslims are *also* attacking churches in Iraq and Nigeria, or kidnapping chaste Coptic girls in Egypt, or knifing devout Jews in Israel, or murdering observant Christians in Syria, or downing Russian airliners over the Sinai–none of these targets are Western, and many of the targets are people of faith.
The fact is that Muslims have been attacking “filthy Kuffars” all over the world.
Mohammedans may use the alleged “decadence” of the West as a proximate “grievance”, but the only real reason is that we are Infidels, and hence fair game for any Muslim savagery.
Roger says
Once Turkey joins the EU Europe will be dominated by Islam.
Caro says
Anyway, what can one expect from those who still walk around in their nightshirts and riding donkeys?
The criminals in the ME are using all manner of hardware and uniforms and weapons and vehicles and communications; all invented and produced by the White Western World. And here they are, denouncing everything that is Western and Christian. They are born and bred liars and actors and have no place in our Western, civilised world. A pox on their houses, I say!
voegelinian says
“The criminals in the ME are using all manner of hardware and uniforms and weapons and vehicles and communications; all invented and produced by the White Western World. And here they are, denouncing everything that is Western and Christian.”
When Muslims use Western technology to further the Jihad , they are simply putting into practice a chapter of the Koran — al-Anfal (translation: “Booty” — i.e., the fruits of pillage). Any religion whose holy book has a chapter entitled “Booty” is ipso facto a criminal enterprise; and when juxtaposed to the violent military dimension of the other chapters of the Koran (as further eucidated by Islamic exegetes (e.g., Ibn Kathir) in their tafsir writings), a seditious enterprise against all other nations on Earth.
(And by the way, it is reasonable for us to suppose that all Muslims use any and all technology — 100% of which is non-Muslim, even the traditional more primitive technologies that foolish Westerners think are genuinely Islamic, like carpet-weaving, was stolen from the Persians, etc. — to further Jihad, since to all Muslims all of life is Jihad anyway.)
gravenimage says
Westman wrote:
I see this all very differently, as another step in the evolution of humans toward casting off organized religion of all kinds….
The Hijra to Europe should actually weaken Islam by distributing the believers in a world where language, jobs, and acceptance will retard their progress. Bunching together in little “Eurabias” will simply make it worse for Muslims, creating ghettos that will be shunned by the host country’s citizens. The next generation, having better prospects, will have options to minimize the role of Islam or return to the native country.
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Westman–with all respect–this hasn’t worked like this *at all*. The children of these Muslim immigrants are not rejecting Islam–they are embracing its savagery more fervently than ever.
And allowing millions of aggressive, “Allahu Akbaring” Muslims to flood into Europe in the hope that they might mellow somewhat in a generation or two would be suicidal madness even if there *were* anything to this hope.
More:
The best model is the migration from Cuba to “Little Havana” in which the original generation is dying off…
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Westman, anti-communist Cubans were never a threat to Americans to begin with–whether they maintain their Catholic faith or not. Would the same were true of violent Muslim supremacists…
More:
Unlike formal religion there is nothing limiting what free people will do to preserve their freedom.
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Actually, Christians have fought back against Islam *many times* to preserve their freedom. Part of that freedom, in fact, is the freedom to practice their faith–whether that is something you personally respect or not.
voegelinian says
Westman’s glowing view of Mohammedan mutation in the near future is fantasism at its most reckless. He and Daniel Pipes and Tariq Ramadan should sit down for coffee; they’d have a grand old time of cordial agreement about the rosy future.
Islam:- the religion of dominate says
Cardinal, cardinal,,, knock, knock knock, (on the head) you will NEVER stop fighting in the Middle East, the shiites and the Sunni’s have been killing each other over being commanded to worship Mohamid (sunni) or Mohamid & his cousins (shitte) forever, millions have died on this subject alone..
Since the beginning of time arabs have been killing each other for some reason or other … and definatley since the begining of Christ ..
Roger says
Declinng western birth rates should be reversed by paying and giving incentives to the indigenous populations rather than importing the third world
Jay Boo says
excellent idea
Mathew Solo says
There is a powerful Influence in the Minds of Men …Theologians first ran All Higher Education Institutions and their teachings…were these true followers of The Very Real God…is this Cosmopolitan Society a transformation of everything The Very real God Wants for Mankind…Secular Humanism…Progressive Pabulum…Pumping Out deceit… is this Destroying the very
way of life man could be living.
Just as in National Characteristics…Very Real Differences Exist…they are not all the same…religions are Not All The Same…who ever started this Muslim system and labeled it a religion of God…had a chance to observe The Popular Professing Christian Movement of their time which was underway for hundreds of years by the time the Muslims began …This Professing Christian Religion Was Ran By Rome…the Romans usurped It from True Christianity which was completely driven into hiding by the third century…was Rome an influence upon these fledgling Muslims…the Muslim movement did see Religion could be used as a cohesive control of the masses…observing the Romans Doing just that successfully…the Muslim system… was designed to suit the purpose of those who put it together …and has shown it is effective for what it was Intended.
In a recent survey of more than 4,000 Britons, the Church of England and two other religious organizations came to better understand the nation’s declining faith. “The figures found while 57% classified themselves as Christian, fewer than 10% read the Bible and prayed regularly, or go to church at least once a month” (BBC, October 31, 2015). Also, “four in 10 people did not believe Jesus was a real person, with a quarter of 18 to 34 year olds believing he was a mythical or fictional character.
The Christian Bible Says:
There is a Very Real Powerful Being Broadcasting His Way of Thinking Through the air…we have all been hit by thoughts that are so disturbing we have to shake them off with real effort…they were probably Transmitted there to the Spirit in Man…this very spirit combines with our brain to Make a Mind… Minds that are in Our Ministers…Educators…Politicians…Judges…Public…This Being is a Very Powerful Spirit Being…a Genius at Mind Ploys…effectively guiding those who are deceived into thinking they can teach themselves….Without the help of a Very Real God Who Loves Them…and decided to allow Them an allotted time to learn On Their own that They can not teach themselves without the foundation to build that learning upon…The Very Word Of God.
If you can read this feeble attempt to give a heads-up…You Can Read for Yourself.
BC says
The marriage industry (planners, dresses, dress rental services, car rental services, present sellers, etc . etc) clearly has not received this news, it continues to flourish as does the flower selling industry.
BC says
“hardly get married anymore” sorry forgot to add the quote.
Mary says
Okay. Let me tell you something.
I am a maronite. The maronite bishop for australia, bishop tarabay, held a conference for the youth, which had 300 young maronites on a site , which contained workshops. One of these workshops was called “islamophobia”.
Now the bishop himself held this workshop, and mind you it was only meant to be held once in the retreat conference but he held is more than once due to the demand by the youth. Here is my point. I thought it was to discuss islam.
It wasnt
Listen to what he did. He said we need NOT to be islamophbic and start to have islamaphila (phila in greek means love).
Let me tell you, this is the EXACT scheme the pope is holding. That islam is a religion of peace (which is exactly what tarabay said).
There is a problem. This patriarch said half correctly what he said about islam
But then he had to add something about moderation. Your either a muslim or your not likewise for catholicism. Enough of this moderation crap, like you can try and moderate a religion!!!!, enough !!!!!!
There is a problem. A big one. And its going to australia very soon
You cant walk into lakember, bankstown, yagonna, punchbowl, greenarce, belmore, canterbury, etc.
All muslims. Even the ones that cover their eyes. Its ridiculous and, mind you, quite frightening.
God help us
Matthieu Baudin says
“…Europe should focus on the cause of migration, namely the war. You have to turn off the tap and ensure that Muslims and Christians will return to their lands…”
This appears to be an oblique request for armed intervention from European states against Jihad fanaticism in the Middle East in particular against the Islamic State. He seems to be arguing the case primarily in terms of European self interest rather than on moral grounds for the defence of persecuted Middle Eastern Christians.
It’s a big ask from the Patriarch, especially since Europe is not responsible for the genesis of any of the conflicts taking place in the region. Perhaps it would be helpful for the Patriarch to be more specific about the existing forces in the region that Europe could back in a counter-offensive against ISIS, Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood? The possible local allies that come to mind are the Syrian National Forces, the Egyptian Defence Forces and secular Kurdish Militias.
A major problem with this list is that the current U.S. administration gives every indication of being lukewarm or hostile to these entities. It is virtually inconceivable that a European force would pursue these alliances while they remained unpalatable to the U.S. On the other hand Russia, acting in its own national self interest and unencumbered by the whims of current U.S. policy, may pursue closer ties with these groups and commit itself to an all out offensive against these enemies of civilisation.
Margaret Lauren says
Of course the Maronite Patriarch is correct in stating the obvious. For proof one needs to look no further than one of the prime European examples of this insidious tactic, France, where, in large metropolitan areas such as Marseilles Muslim men have as many as six wives, all having child after child, & everyone receiving benefits & services. This is also an established tactic of Islam practiced by and often readily admitted to by many Muslims in every nation of the West. By the time the scales of PC have fallen from the eyes of the majorities who are in denial it will be too late to reverse the murderous tide.
voegelinian says
“By the time the scales of PC have fallen from the eyes of the majorities who are in denial it will be too late to reverse the murderous tide.”
The future is not a fact; it is an inference based upon present facts. Nobody knows whether the West — by the time its ridiculous yet all too effective fashion of thought, PC MC (Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism) has become deconstructed culturally and psychologically — will be doomed to a global Caliphate or whether the West will finally succeed in subduing Islam once and for all.
What seems the most certain, however, is that even if the West does finally succeed, it will only do so after a few million Westerners will have been mass-murdered by Muslims, along with a few million more injured (where injuries would range all over the map and probably include life-changing disfigurement & trauma, along with the effects of chemical and/or biological attacks), and horrific gouges out of our infrastructure in the forms of physical destruction and economic dislocation. The degree of this horrible success (sort of a black mirror image of the “Pyrrhic victory”) could be ameliorated, if the West woke up sooner, rather than later, to an attitude of Zero Tolerance about Islam (which, perforce, means Zero Tolerance about all Muslims, including those precious Kurds, freedom-loving Persians, and Muslim-Brotherhood-eschewing Egyptians whom the Counter-Jihad Softies love to defend). The chances of this, however, don’t seem to augur well, if the Counter-Jihad is any useful barometer of the rate of Awakening…
Jay says
Cardinal is Wrong & a Fake he is selfish now hes talking he should go to save the Christians on site go to Iraq whats the matter hes afraid to get Killed if hes a man let him go to ISIS & Get traded for 1 Christian & Europe Its the Liberal Left winfg Media & the Egoistic selfish greedy Europeans egoistic me me & only me selfishness everything for me my Beer My Wine My Sex, Greed no kids no children its costly to much $$ thats what will Drown Europe & as for the Muslims they will plonder the bounty its just gone become a third world continent you dont expect Arabs to be working Building Airplanes or any type od Medicine that part of the Buisness is going over to ASIA when Europe is Muslim = Violence & chaos stop fooling yourself Read the Quran some Muslims Doctors & Lawyers or professionals sinciere loyal citizens will want to leave in peace thats true Sorry albeit it wont happen since violence is unpunished in Liberal Society In France, Germany, Holland, Sweeden, expept in the USA where you get arested for punching your freind our Jails are full to Capacity thats why you can walk anywhere thats why you can High Five a Supersta Basketball player at courtside anytime unlike Europe violence gets unpunished so Muslms Conquer Western Europe within 30 years & Make it in to a third world LONG LIVE USA Live Free or Die
citycat says
Faith and birthrate is correct, but fighting faith with faith? I’m not sure that’s the way.
“Jesus took flesh” ok
“died and rose again”? Is one expected to believe that? 72 virgins? Even more crazy, but still it is believed.
The arrogance of a religion is upon us, i see it more and more in Muslims with each new day, and it’s impossible to reason with such fixéd mental programmes.
Isn’t there a common thing in these differing religions, well, there’s songs and music and tolerance of others’ beliefs, but that’s haram in Islam.
I wonder that Islam should be declassified as a religion.
There’s next to zero animosity between differing religions in Engeland- at least not anywhere near the level of utter contempt that Islam has for all other religions.
The root cause is further in, ie. Islam, Allah the stolen pagan god, and the koran, and the mass ignorance, so far, of Islam’s true motivation for all its endeavours-
World domination with no holds barred.
john says
Secularism, materialism, evolutionism etc has killed off Christianity in the western world. Just give Islam a matter of time, all of you in the west with your pet “isms” will be under total subjugation of Islam, and with a choice of either conversion, payment of lslamic tax Jizzya or death. It is certainly coming.