Britain’s new export: jihad. How proud Cameron and May must be: they worked assiduously to bar counter-jihadists such as Pamela Geller and me from the country, for the crime of noting that Islam has a doctrine of warfare against unbelievers. Meanwhile, Muslims who espoused that very doctrine were allowed to flourish and proliferate. This is the result. Mr. Cameron, Ms. May, stand up and take a bow.
“British extremists linked to jet bomb: London & Birmingham voices heard cheering disaster,” by James Murray, Express, November 8, 2015 (thanks to Pamela Geller):
They were overheard celebrating moments after the explosion that blew the plane apart, killing all 224 on board.
The jihadis were heard talking in Birmingham and London accents by spies at GCHQ in Cheltenham.
Trained in Syria and with an electronics background, it is believed they may have had a hand in building the bomb.
The success of the attack could inspire them to target British airports next, a former Special Branch officer warned last night.
GCHQ, the Government’s secret listening centre, picked up “chatter” from extremist groups in Egypt immediately after the Russian plane came down.
The regional accents suggest “a definite and strong link” between British extremists and the attack, according to intelligence sources.
“Jihadis in the Sinai area of Egypt could be heard celebrating,” one source said yesterday.
“A closer analysis of that material has identified London and Birmingham accents among those numerous voices.
“There has also been some internet traffic suggesting that there was British involvement in the attack. This was a very sophisticated, carefully planned operation involving many moving parts.
“We know there are British jihadis in Egypt fighting with members of Islamic State. They were trained in Syria and are now hardened terrorists. Some of the Britons have an electronics background and have been developing some very sophisticated bombs.
“They have been experimenting with different-sized charges and different types of explosives but there was nothing prior to this attack to suggest that they were going after airlines.”
A321 Airbus Sinai disaster: Russian airline Kogalymavia’s flight 9268 crashed en route from Sharm el-Sheikh to Saint Petersburg on October 31, killing all 224 people on board, the vast majority of them Russian tourists….

Theodoric says
“…there was nothing prior to this attack to suggest that they were going after airlines.”
– Yes – what a stunning surprise – who could ever have predicted it?
Sam says
i am very surprised about this isolated work place violance also.
mortimer says
What? Islam has a doctrine of permanent jihad until victory? Then NO ONE must hear about it!
-Good thinking, Batwoman! Denying the terrorist threat will stop young people from hearing about it!
(Meanwhile, back in Gotham, young people had a culture soaked in ISLAMIC RADICAL CHIC.)
Gary says
Yes. The youth of Islam are being brainwashed into believing God hates humanity.
They’re being taught to hate Israel, and hate the United States of America.
They scream “Allahu Akbar!” as opposed to:
“Lead me in Your truth and teach me, for You are the God of my salvation; on You I wait all the day.” (Psalm 25:5)
And sadly, this is their future……
“Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight! Woe to those who are heroes in drinking wine And valiant men in mixing strong drink, Who justify the wicked for a bribe, And take away the rights of the ones who are in the right! Therefore, as a tongue of fire consumes stubble And dry grass collapses into the flame, So their root will become like rot and their blossom blow away as dust; For they have rejected the law of the LORD of hosts And despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.” (Isaiah 5:20-24)
Hokken says
Gary, you are only switching one idea of god for another one, it is only beliefs, nothing else. No need to wear a believer badge to be a decent person.
Joseph says
it is only beliefs, nothing else.
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Tell that to all the dead the Muslims have slaughtered.
gravenimage says
Hokken wrote:
Gary, you are only switching one idea of god for another one, it is only beliefs, nothing else.
……………………………
Hokken, even if you have no belief in religion whatsoever, how can you imagine that belief in a God of love is no different from embracing a god of blood and death?
خَليفة says
in Islam, there is NEVER any certainty that you will go to heaven. There is no “salvation”. You are always at the whims of Allah.
Sura 14:4 “And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.”
Sura14:4 is PROOF that Islam is a false religion and Muhammed is a false prophet.
( because no other “prophet / messenger” has taught Islamic verses in another language, nor would that be allowed since Quran can only be fully understood in Arabic – modern Arabic script did not exist in Muhammed’s time )
http://quranexplained.net/p/Sura-14.html
ballotcode says
It is a works based accounting, not faith based. A control mechanism.
gravenimage says
خَليفة wrote:
in Islam, there is NEVER any certainty that you will go to heaven. There is no “salvation”. You are always at the whims of Allah.
…………………………
This is very true, خَليفة. But one of the more certain ways in Islam is to *Jihad mass murder in the name of Allah*, as here. Another reason–besides general stoked blood lust and fanaticism and the desire to spread Islam, that so many pious Muslims are drawn to violent Jihad.
They believe that not only will this allow them to reach paradise, but that they can also bring in seventy members of his family and friends.
This is also why so many Muslimahs love it when their husbands or sons die in suicide attacks–they hope the dead Jihadist will save them from hell. For a woman, indeed, this is one of the very few ways in Islam that they *can* be saved. Certainly, praying and fasting and praising Allah won’t cut it…
Margaret Lauren says
“Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!…” Sure sounds like that ultra-effective tactic known as Marxist political correctness that has brought the world at large & the West in particular to its current dismal state of chaos & insecurity. And Soros is one of its greatest profits. Every time I watch an episode of television’s “The Strain” I can’t help thinking it’s an allegory for the dreadful harm that foul creature has brought upon us.
Margaret Lauren says
…make that “prophets” vs. “profits” — although Soros certainly has profited handsomely from all the chaos he’s caused.
Christianblood says
America and the West are now either directly backing genocidal islamic jihadists directly like they did in Libya, in the Balkans and now in Syria and elsewhere or they are directly exporting islamic terrorists to wage jihad around the globe like these British jihadists bringing down a Russian airliner. Western world has gone totally crazy!
gravenimage says
More crap from “Christianblood”. The West *has* been shockingly negligent and mired in denial over the Jihad threat, to disastrous effect, there is no doubt.
But “Christianblood’s” constant claims that the West is *deliberately* exporting Jihadists with the explicit aim of killing Christians and waging violent Jihad is just ludicrous.
The fact is that–as he has shown many times–this poster hates the West *far more* than he hates Jihad murder. His main purpose here is to urge the destruction of the West.
Wellington says
Agreed, gravenimage. I strongly suspect that Christianblood is one way or another rooted in the Eastern Orthodox mindset, be it Serbian, Russian or whatever. There is a deep paranoia that colors much of Orthodox Christian belief, some of it justified but much of it just pure and plain paranoia, and mixed with a good bit of xenophobia. Has been going on for centuries with no relief in sight.
Myxlplik says
To some degree I agree with Christianblood. If what Frank Gaffeny says is true regarding the mission of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the relationship of not only the Obama Administration, but Bush before him to that organization, then one could only surmise that at very least we have gross negligence, or outright treason at the highest levels of our government. In that regard, Christianblood is right on the money.
Christianblood says
America is Willfully Supporting Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/obama-willfully-supporting-al-qaeda-and-the-muslim-brotherhood-on-the-glazov-gang
US military airdrops 50 tons of ammo for Syrian islamic jihadist mass-murderers so that they could murder more innocent Syrian Christians:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/12/us-military-airdrops-50-tons-ammo-for-syrian-fighters-after-training-mission/?intcmp=hplnws
Former Defense Intelligence Agency Chief says: Obama White House made “willful decision to support al-Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood in Syria”
http://investmentwatchblog.com/former-defense-intelligence-agency-chief-says-obama-white-house-made-willful-decision-to-support-al-qaeda-and-muslim-brotherhood-in-syria/
The whole world knows that America and the West hate Christians and back and support islamic jihadist killers across the globe.
Peggy says
Wellington says
November 8, 2015 at 6:10 pm
Agreed, gravenimage. I strongly suspect that Christianblood is one way or another rooted in the Eastern Orthodox mindset, be it Serbian, Russian or whatever. There is a deep paranoia that colors much of Orthodox Christian belief, some of it justified but much of it just pure and plain paranoia, and mixed with a good bit of xenophobia. Has been going on for centuries with no relief in sight
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Wow, that’s some statement there. The fact that Eastern Orthodox people have a long and bloody history with Islam and continue to have is the reason for the mindset. Nothing to do with paranoia or xenophobia. Do you even know the history of Eastern Orhtodox people and Islam? Even if you didn’t know hisotry, surely you know recent events as recent as the 90s.
It was the US and the west who bombed Serbia as punishment for daring to stand up to Islam. A horrible propaganda against the Serbs was unleashed by Clinton and still continues to this day by the way of movies and TV shows and you still think it’s paranoia?
Russians have always been portrayed as the bad guys and now that they are fighting ISIS they are still being shown as big evil Russians. Why is that?
Yes the west is deliberately aiding Muslims at the expense of Christians. It’s obvious.
Wellington says
Myxlplik: Christianblood is not anywhere close to being “right on the money.” BTW, please consider how much interference and aid Putin has provided to Iran.
Myxlplik says
Well, I just don’t know about that. Our government invites members of the Brotherhood in to help formulate domestic and international policy. All the while knowing full well the goal of the Brotherhood is to destroy western civilization through a grand Jihad, then after adopting policies resultant to the Brotherhood’s “help” we get more jihad without and within, then we all act surprised at the result?
NATO was literally transporting jihadists to the front lines in Bosnia, I’ve seen videos of the white NATO APC’s with jihadis pouring out, so how can you blame Serbs for being a bit paranoid? From their perspective we do export, and have transported, quite literally jihadis, to kill Serbs. We should apologize, and admit it.
Ex-muslim says
C.B is right. USA and Nato enable jihadists and muslim supremacists even in the Western world.
Wellington says
A pox on Western elites in general, Myxlplik, and by “Westerners” I include Russians and Serbs. For instance, Putin will cooperate with any Muslims, including the extra despicable mullahs who run Iran, if it serves his short-sighted, tactical interests.
Peggy says
Before you change the subject can you please tell us what exactly is he wrong about and give us the facts as you see them.
gravenimage says
True, Wellington–I’m afraid Russia has been foolishly enabling Islam in many ways, just as the West has. Short-sighted suicidal madness all around.
voegelinian says
Christianblood nakedly purveys an anti-American conspiracy theory. graven and Wellington rightly chide him — then comes in Myxlplik, with a slightly more reasonable sounding conspiracy-theorish suspicion about the American government based on what Frank Gaffney has uncovered about the Muslim Brotherhood. If there were no worldview of PC MC massively fashionable throughout the West for the past few decades, the suspicions of the Myxlplikes of the Counter-Jihad (and I notice they are rather common, though typically, I’m the only one who seems to notice and advert to it critically) would make more sense.
Myxlplik says
Where the facts lie on the issue of the Brotherhood influencing American policy, PC MC is the only explanation which downgrades the aforementioned subject from treason to gross negligence.
Logic draws no other conclusion.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Christianblood nakedly purveys an anti-American conspiracy theory”
Apparently, not nakedly enough:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/christian-leader-invites-islamic-state-leaders-to-dinner-they-respond-well-chop-your-head-off#comment-1318933
voegelinian says
“though typically, I’m the only one who seems to notice and advert to it critically”
Note: “typically” doesn’t mean “always” — but it can mean “most of the damn time”
voegelinian says
“PC MC is the only explanation which downgrades the aforementioned subject from treason to gross negligence.”
Well sure; but “gross negligence” doesn’t suffice to fully analyze the problem, which one needs to do to be able to try to fix it (and there’s likely no quick fix, since it’s a matter of climate of opinion, worldview, fashion of thought, dominant paradigm, on a cultural level). Conspiracy theory is so seductive because it clears away all that complication.
voegelinian says
Angemon here on November 8, 2015 at 11:27 pm
quoted me from another thread — http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/christian-leader-invites-islamic-state-leaders-to-dinner-they-respond-well-chop-your-head-off#comment-1318933 — where I wrote:
“I’m beginning to like this commenter, Christianblood. A rare voice of sanity on this comments thread.”
What Angemon fails to add is that on that same thread, I had that strange and rare experience called “changing your mind based on new data” —
voegelinian says
November 3, 2015 at 10:53 am
“Now I see Christianblood is one of those “Pass Go, Skip Deportation, Go Straight to War” — so either he is delimiting the problem to ISIS and other manifestations of the Tiny Minority of Extremists, or he is saying we must fight and kill over one billion people in 80 countries. If the latter, he also is a “Sky is Falling” Counter-Jihadist who believes we don’t have several decades to turn the Ship of State around from its Titanic course.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/christian-leader-invites-islamic-state-leaders-to-dinner-they-respond-well-chop-your-head-off/comment-page-1#comment-1319226
And Angemon knows I wrote that, because he himself pestered me about it (and that thread, as usual, is teeming with him pestering me on other points):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/christian-leader-invites-islamic-state-leaders-to-dinner-they-respond-well-chop-your-head-off/comment-page-1#comment-1319339
So why didn’t Angemon note that here on this thread now, when he tried to slander me with his kitman…?
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Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“What Angemon fails to add is that on that same thread, I had that strange and rare experience called “changing your mind based on new data”
Yes, that is rare and strange for you – I believe that is the first time you’re experiencing it, no?
The thing is, by the time you were propping up CB there was more than enough evidence to go around. Heck, gravenimage pointed out CB’s motivations before that. On that very page:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/christian-leader-invites-islamic-state-leaders-to-dinner-they-respond-well-chop-your-head-off/comment-page-2#comment-1318479
But, of course, you’re too busy adding up the number of times GI “attacked you” or “counseled softness” by not decrying what I say to notice what should have been obvious from the start. No, all you read was CB saying something similar to what you said, and therefore you lost no time to say he’s OK by your book.
“And Angemon knows I wrote that, because he himself pestered me about it ”
By which you mean I questioned you about it. And, as usual, I got no answer.
“So why didn’t Angemon note that here on this thread now, when he tried to slander me with his kitman…?”
There is no slander or kitman – unless if by slander you mean the islamic version of it, which includes telling something about someone they’d rather others not know about.
Facts are facts, and the facts are that by the time you were boasting about how great CB was (because he said something similar to what you said) there was more than enough evidence to go around to let anyone know what CB’s agenda was, as noted by GI on that very page. You’ve shown a great lapse in judgement, and that *is* worth pointing out since you expect everyone here to accept your opinions and judgements without batting an eye or raising any criticism – it’s only fair to see how your track record holds up. And it is found lacking.
Singh the SIkh says
This is how the British govt should handle the issue:
•Fly the jihadists back home.
•Explain how they have gotten their religion so wrong.
•Throw millions more dollars to counter jihadism.
•Bring in tens of thousands more Muslim refugees into GB.
This is he receipe for a safer, prosperous, progressive GB, no doubt.
Don McKellar says
Have you been peeking at Cameron’s policy book? I think he’s got “rinse, repeat” at the end of that list.
Budvarakbar says
BS on the flying — load them on barges and tow them back to NA — shoot any that trying ‘jumping ship’
Ginger says
You nearly had me believing you were privileged with a private briefing from the Prime Minister and Home Secretary, but for one key omission. The millions in social welfare thrown at them from the bottomless pot funded by the taxpayers they’d like to kill, (because, of course, the RoPers tend to be jobless).
mortimer says
Denying the existence of the jihad doctrine is supposed to stop Islamic terrorism from growing?
How’s that working, Theresa?
خَليفة says
Denying the evils of Islam and the jihadi threat is like closing your eyes while driving – sooner or later, you or someone else will get hurt or killed.
Angemon says
Interesting – these Briton men (and save the “they may have been born in Britain but they’re not Britons” rhetoric because, as far as laws go, if their ID reads “born in Britain” they legally *are* Britons) are not in Britain and still managed to wage jihad against the West, more effectively than if they were in the United Kingdom, and they presumably used knowledge obtained in the United Kingdom to do so, even though the “kick them out” crowd would have us believe that the moment they leave the country they were born into they would cease to be a threat.
Katnis says
Couldn’t have said it better myself. We educate them and then they use that education against us.
JMB says
Just like they use all of our human rights laws against us.
Peggy says
Aren’t human rights laws only for humans?
Theodoric says
Spencer says, “How proud Cameron and May must be: they worked assiduously to bar counter-jihadists such as Pamela Geller and me from the country, for the crime of noting that Islam has a doctrine of warfare against unbelievers.”
– But just like any other hardened criminal, Spencer laughably downplays the true magnitude of his crimes. Far from merely “noting that Islam has a doctrine of warfare against unbelievers,” Spencer has written thirteen books and thousands of articles and given countless speeches in which he has shown, relentlessly and methodically, how the Qur’an, Muhammad’s example, Islamic jurisprudence, and Islamic history have promulgated not only the doctrine of jihad, but also many other inhumane doctrines and aspects of Islam, that are incompatible with our American standards of human rights and equality, such as the Islamic punishments for “blasphemy” and apostasy. Stop trying to minimize your enormities, Mr. Spencer.
Sovereign Man says
Good comment 🙂 Robert Spencer will be seen as a hero in the history books of the future if we win this fight.
And then eventually forgotten or vilified like Churchill and other heroes who warned of what was to come. Western civilization is too good at creating a comfortable, worry-free existence – it lulls the people to sleep. Ah, damn it all.
Beagle says
It’s a fair cop. Spencer just won’t lie the way he’s supposed to.
Raja says
For all the injustice done to RS, PG for speaking the truth, UK is paying the price for hobnobbing with evil leaders of Islam who are hell bent on propagating Islam at every event. (however trivial things might be). More skeletons could tumble out of UK’s cupboard !!!!!
Keith says
Not entirely on target but the former leader of UKIP, Lord Pearson called for a discussion about Islam but I think it is close enough
Speaking in the House of Lords, Lord Pearson of Rannoch urged for the formation of a council of Muslim leaders – with Government sponsorship – to “clarify the modern meaning” of Islam.
Calling for the Government to “encourage a national debate” on the religion, the peer warned that “where there is contradiction in the Koran, its later and more violent verses outweigh its admirably peaceful early texts.”
He noted what he called the “seriousness of our domestic situation” and said that a council of Muslims leaders “could clarify the modern meaning of their religion and cast the extremists out of Islam”.
Responding on behalf of the Government, Lord Ahmad said: “with the exception of one verse in the holy Koran, every verse starts with the words: ‘In the name of God, the gracious, most merciful’, which underlines the true sentiments and principle of that religion.”
He added subsequently that “There are extremists of every guise who take noble faiths and seek to hijack them.”
Lord Pearson’s proposal was widely criticised by other peers.
The full article is on http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2015/11/former-ukip-leader-calls-for-national-debate-on-islam
abad says
IOW, Lord Pearson is calling for a UK-version of CAIR.
Someone needs to tell him it won’t work.
Keith says
What worries me more is that none of the House of Lords called out Lord Ahmad on his assertion that ““with the exception of one verse in the holy Koran, every verse starts with the words: ‘In the name of God, the gracious, most merciful’, which underlines the true sentiments and principle of that religion.”
Is there not one non muslim in the House of Lords who has read any of the koran or even bothered to look at a site like this. It doesn’t look like it to me.
jayell says
I just wish there weren’t ANY muslims in the House of Lords. Or indeed any other house in the UK. And as for any self-righteous offerings from that ‘Lord’ Ahmad, the get-rich-quick-and-buy-my-way-into-poliics-kid, famed for texting whilst driving his oversized chelsea tractor on the motorway, killing someone and getting away with it……..
voegelinian says
“Lord Pearson of Rannoch urged for the formation of a council of Muslim leaders – with Government sponsorship – to “clarify the modern meaning” of Islam.”
Yes, Mr. Speaker, we’ve been beset of late by a spate of wolves, and so what we desperately need now is to sit down and have a Conversation with representatives of the Wolf Pack — but only the Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing, if you please (such as my esteemed friend and a gentleman, Sir Maajid Nawaz of the Quilliam Foundation, named after a 19th-century British convert to Islam, Abdullah Quilliam, who advocated resistance to the British government and promoted support of an evil jihad movement as bad as ISIS in his day). In this way, we Little Red Riding Hoods shall Move Forward into the Indistinct Future hand-in-claw with our new Wolves-as-Grandmothers… Hail Britannia, Britannia Akbar…! *cough cough, spittle, hack, topple over…*
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
They danced in the streets of Queens and north Jersey after the towers went down. But that was kept quiet, the videos of the joyful weeping Moslems seized and put away. Showing it could lead to Islamophobia. Instead the next night we got a lecture on national TV about the inherent peacefulness of these hairy animals.
Jay Boo says
Outside the Secaucus Junction train station in New Jersey there was a billboard promoting “Why Islam” to encourage people to explore Islam.
Just behind the billboard was Manhattan’s skyline where the Twin Towers fell and where Muslims had murdered thousands of innocent people per the example of Muhammad.
A coincidence or the typical shamelessness of Muslims?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
I recall you mentioning this one before. To answer your rhetorical question, no, there is no coincidence, only shameless open mockery of what suckers we are.
gravenimage says
This does not surprise me, Jay Boo.
I mentioned my run-in some years ago with Da’wa artists from “Why Islam?”. After a short discussion where they learned I was more knowledgeable than most Infidels, I was shocked that they openly admitted that stoning unchaste women was perfectly Islamic, and that the role of “Jesus” in Islam in the last days is to *kill Christians*.
I’m sure most Kuffar get a significantly rosier dose of Taqiyya, though…
Katnis says
I remember that. I remember Muslims dancing around the world. Sickos – all of them.
JMB says
They danced in the streets in the Islamic suburbs such as Lakemba here in Sydney Australia when the Twin Towers came down. How do I know? My son lived there at the time. No this was not shown on the news, only the crocodile tears from Islamic leaders.
gravenimage says
Here’s video of “Palestinian” Muslims celebrating 9/, dancing, cheering, and handing out candy:
gravenimage says
That should have been “9/11”.
Jay Boo says
Cuba first on State Department list.
“The State Department lists four countries as those that sponsor terror:
Cuba, Sudan, Syria and Iran.
The other 10 countries of interest are Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen, the government official said.”
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/01/03/tsa.measures/
Jay Boo says
according to CNN
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
They were trained in Syria and are now hardened terrorists.
They were inculcated in the tax exempt mosques of London and Birmingham and are now deployed Moslem activists. Does anybody think that they won’t return to their fake home and wreak Islam on England? Even the much reviled Lord Chamberlain was not so naive.
pdxnag says
Which target in the UK from a Russian cruise missile would be most effective at halting the Islamic State jihad?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Wow, that’s an ugly question. But a valid one. As the great punk rock band named their song, great but self-deluded young globo-socialists who supported communism and wore Brigate Rosse tee-shirts: London Calling.
Charli Main says
I believe the answer to your question is NO single target. Every major city in the UK is infested with Muslims, Mosques and Madrassas. Like a malignant cancer Muslims have infected every part for British society with tumours in every city.
gravenimage says
Another poster who hates the West more than he does Islam. *Ugh*.
pdxnag says
I am in favor of expelling every last Muslim. Thier loyalty is exclusive to the worldwide Islamic Ummah and thus will not be stateless anywhere they get dropped off. Survival depends on it. It is not academic but real, today.
Peggy says
I don’t think so.
UK has become more islamic than we can tolerate. So what’s the cure?
Yes, nuking Londing is way too harsh and I don’t agree with it and I don’t think they were serious bout attacking it either but do we wait till UK becomes like Lebanon?
Roger says
Interesting, British football hooligans have their passports confiscated and they have to report to police stations once a day during world cup days.
“British” muslim jihadists are allowed to freely travel to and fro. At what point does the brit public put an end to this? Are they complete sheep? Or absolutely brainwashed beyond help?
Westman says
Instructor: “In this course we will study the underlying principles of Physics and the art of Electronics. At the conclusion of these courses you will be able to design and build useful things for society.”
Student: “I will make timer. You will help, please?”
Roger says
But god forbid you are a football hooligan, the Brit authorities will confiscate your passport and have you report to a police station daily whilst your team plays overseas.
Gerald Mucci says
Go figure. Most 9-11 terrorists were Muslim “extremists” from Saudi Arabia. Now we hear that the Russian airline bombers were Muslim “extremists” from Great Britain. What do these countries have in common: They both promote and pander to Muslims, do not believe Islam is a threat but is to be defended and protected and both have large Muslim populations – Saudi Arabia exclusively Muslim; Great Britain an Islamic wannabe nation.
We went to war to eliminate Muslim terrorist threats in Iraq and Afghanistan, ignoring the fact that Islam is the threat, not the forces that try to keep it in check. That is why we have failed. We have not identified the motivating ideology of the enemy.
abad says
I am not surprised at all.
And I am also sure there is no shortage of UK citizens who are presently displeased with this.
wildjew says
“What goes around comes around….” ?
Myxlplik says
I understand the need for operational security, but this continued lying about the root of the problem (Islam) is getting people killed. We see it over, and over. Would Europeans vacation in North Africa if our media and governments were being honest? Would our immigration policy be the same? The instinct is to outright lie, like the jihadi in Merced recently, this Muslim was on the watch list for crying out loud, yet they lie, lie, lie. I don’t believe anything they (media, government) say anymore regarding this topic. Our western governments and media has blood on their hands for the continued cover up.
Linda S. Barr says
I agree with you.
RickMT says
Good post. The lies and deceit will never stop until some kind of massive jihadist attack kills or maims those, including family and friends, who pull the strings. Even then, many of the left will remain dazzled by their Islamic friends.
jayell says
They’ve known all about home-grown jihadis in the UK for the best part of 15 years, and there were stories some years back about UK intelligence picking up Yorkshire accents from the enemy in Afghanistan. The trouble is that when anyone tries to make anything of it in public they are muzzled by the press, or if they are some kind of ‘persona non grata’ UK political figure, they are taken to the kangaroo court with some kind of trumped-up ‘racism’ charge. Or if their names are Robert Spencer, or Pamela Geller or perhaps Geert Wilders, they are kept out of the country because that ‘Lord’ Ahmad p*llock might throw one of his normal islamic hissy fits and threaten to get 1,000 (or was it 10,000?) of his mates down to Westminster and disrupt the Peace of the Realm a bit, even though that would not be terribly democratic and even possibly a bit illegal (rather like killing someone on the motorway by illegally texting whilst driving – but then for a Labour muslim peer that’s apparently OK). As I’ve said before, Mr Spencer shouldn’t get concerned about the current UK establishment; it’s totally bent rubbish.
gravenimage says
Muslims from UK linked to downing of Russian jet
Britain’s new export: jihad.
………………………..
Remember when Britain was famous for exporting Cadbury chocolate bars, fine porcelain, good BBC historical dramas, and the basis for democracy in most of the world?
Mazo says
Is that why Burmese and Myanmar and Hindu nationalists in India hate Britain and and because they view British colonial rule as being one of the most pro-Islamic non-Muslim colonial masters in Indian history?
Did you know that it was your pathetic British colonial regime which mass imported Rohingya into Arakan state in Myanmar in the 19th century?
Many Rakhine and Burmese, since they are Buddhists, would view Muslim immigration to Britain as “Karma” for Britain’s invasion of Arakan and mass imporation of Rohingyas from Bangladesh into their land.
To the Rakhine and Burmese, you dumped immigrants into another people’s land, and now you get those same immigrants as Karmic retribution.
Orthodox Christians who remember the Crimean War, and Assyrians who remember the British backed Iraqi Simele massacres, are dancing with joy at the prospect of Britan being flooded with Muslims. They see divine retribution at play.
gravenimage says
Anyone reading this–without being aware of Mazo’s appalling posting history here–might suppose that he is actually *critical* of British and other Western enabling of Jihad, unintentional or not.
But this is *not* the case–instead, he is a thoroughgoing apologist for the most horrific Muslim savagery. Notice that he has not a word of criticism for his barbaric coreligionists downing a civilian airplane and murdering hundreds of innocent people. And why would he? I’m sure he is perfectly approving.
So what is his purpose here? He hopes that Infidels will turn *on each other*, doing Jihadists’ own work for them. Try again, creep…
Peggy says
My greatest wish is that all of the non Muslim world will unite and stand up to Islam and defeat it once and for all, but unless the west stops supporting Islam I fear we will turn on each other. Someone has to stop our traitors.
Matthieu Baudin says
Mazo, we need solutions, not endless retribution. A drowning U.K. will do nothing to help Burmese, Filipinos or any Middle Eastern communities deal with Islamic Supremacism and Terror.
Mazo says
Filipinos, Americans and Spanish started the war against native Muslims in Mindanao and Sulu and the Filipnos colonized their lands.
The Filipinos don’t count as victims of colonialism because the Filipinos are the beneficiaries.
Jay Boo says
— Time to put on the high waders
Mazo said, “native Muslims in Mindanao and Sulu ”
I believe Mazo meant
“Invader Muslims in Mindanao and Sulu
Next he will be declaring the Muslims that were rightfully booted out of Spain around year 1492 as native Muslims.
Mazo says
@Job Blow
The Moro Tausugs and Maguondanaons and Maranao were he native inhabitantsof Mindanao and Sulu, and were pagan animists for thousands of years as they lived in their homeland until they converted to lslam in the 15th century.
Converting to Islam does not make indigenous people into invaders. By your idiotic thinking, Somalis are invaders in Somalia.
gravenimage says
Matthieu Baudin wrote:
Mazo, we need solutions, not endless retribution. A drowning U.K. will do nothing to help Burmese, Filipinos or any Middle Eastern communities deal with Islamic Supremacism and Terror.
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Mathieu, Mazo is a Muslim, and a supporter of Jihad. He doesn’t want to help these Infidels–he wants to split the camp so that we cannot resist at all.
voegelinian says
Mazo is referring to Hindus & Buddhists who still harbor dhimmi reflexes (such as Gandhi, who hated the British but held hands with the Muslims of India).
Mazo says
Vogon, your beloved western Protesant colonialists like the Dutch forced the Hindu Osing peple on Java to convert to Islam.
Your Protestant British colonialists attacked and dismantled the Hindu Marthat Empire and the Sikh Empire, when just a few decades before the British conquests, the Sikhs achieved a world record by conqering the entire Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa regions which had never been ruled by non-Muslims ever since Mahmud of Ghazni stormed in and converted them to Islam.
The previously Sikh ruled Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa provinces later went on to form the core of modern day Pakistan after British rule.
The British, after invading and conquering Myanmar- proceeded to mass import Bengali Rohingya Muslims and Indian Muslims into
Myanmar and the British are resonsible for the existence of the current Rohingya population in Arakan state of Myanmar.
Most of the British Indian Army was recruited from Muslim areas of what is now modern day Pakistan. Only exceptions were Gurkhas and Sikhs. The general Hindu population was viewed as disloyal by the British.
Britain awarded the majority Buddhist Chittagong Hill Tracts to East Pakistan (Bangladesh) upon independence, and deliberatly allowed the princely states like Kashmir to choose which state to accede to insted of partitioning it along religious lines (like awarding the majority Muslim parts to Pakistan and awarding the majority Hindu Jammu and Buddhist Ladakh to India) in order to cause trouble for the independent India in revenge for its independence movement.
Britain heavily relied on the Indian Muslm League to crush any aspirations of Indian independence led by Gandhi. Gandhi opposed Hindu conversion to Islam and many right wing Hindus like Vallabhbhai Patel worked with Gandhi.
Gandhi was not some multiculturalist. He recognized that India had a large Muslim population and pissing them off while campaigning for independence wpuld be a very bad idea.
F-cking hilarious how Vogon supports western colonialism so much he is in denial whenever it is proven to have NOT been anti-Islam.
No Indian or Burmese who knows their history, will show any positive sentiment towards the British colonial period.
What they see happening with Muslim immigratin to Britan is well deserved Karmic retribution.
Jay Boo says
Both voegelinian and Mazo appear to have a great deal of knowledge about history.
Unfortunately it is all for naught since both are also habitual liars.
jayell says
I have never before heard a thing about what Mazo is going on about, but I would presume that he/she has got his/her facts right. The only thoughts that come to mind are that (1) the general British policy was to adopt an even-handed approach as far as possible to different groups with which they came into contact. If Mazo is arguing from some kind of Hindu/anti-muslim standpoint, then, unless one is being very careful with one’s analysis, anything that is not in keeping with that perception is likely to be seen ‘pro’ the other camp. I have never seen any reliable historical evidence that the British were ever particularly ‘pro’ any particular camp, muslim, Hindi, Sikh, whatever, and therefore I find Mazo’s assertions pretty offensive. (2) Also, suggesting that the British were ever specifically pro-muslim flies against writings of the time during and since the colonial period, particularly those of Winston Churchill, whose written opinions are available in print today and are most certainly NOT in any way complimentary of Islam. I am sure that Mazo must be completely unaware that a mnor UK politician was fairly recently dragged to court on charges of ‘racism’ or whatever for quoting Churchill’s opinions of muslims in public, and Churchill’s opinions were pretty typical of most at the time.
Oh, by the way, Mazo might be interested to learn that India did not rate particularly highly in the private perceptions of the British establishment during the dreaded colonial times, although the UK population was fed some sort of official pro-India hype at the time and strangely still to this day, God knows why! I’m told by a friend who studied post-WW2 history in some detail that the departure of India from the good old Empire was generally seen as a matter of some relief in official circles, even if some daft old die-hards wanted to hang on to it for some reason. I believe that there was talk of a condominion solution to the question of India’s post-WW2 status, rather like Canada (and this didn’t just come from the UK, apparently), but this stupid idea was happily knocked on the head.
Mazo says
Winston Churchill had zero control over anything to do with policy in British India up until he became Prime Minister in World War II and was focused on the war effort.
Then Churchill proceeeded to initiate the Bengal famine and starved several million Bengali Hindus to death.
Churchill also wrote nasty things on Indians as a race and despised the people of India in general.
Britain helped move Bengali Muslim coolies and India Muslims to other parts of India like Assam, Andaman islands in addition to Myanmar.
Wellington says
Notwithstanding, Mazo, Islam is evil and was founded by a psychopathic, narcissistic pedophile. Besides, a true civilization like that of Britain has the capacity to apologize, reform and try to make a better world. The Islamic sphere of mankind demonstrates no such capacity, for instance its participation in the African slave trade for far longer than the Western world did and with zero apology or amends for it (and which functions as a giant reason why any black being a Muslim is evidence of an extra confused Mo follower).
Now get lost, Mazo. You convince no one of sense and knowledge here at JW and you confirm that every time, yes no exception here, that a Muslim apologist appears here at JW they dissuade no one who really knows Islam for thinking the worst of it.
Arthur says
Perhaps British intelligence knew all about the plot, but decided not to intervene because it was going to happen to a Russian jetliner? Russia backs Assad, maybe this is supposed to be indirect retribution? If so, how will Putin respond?
Roger says
Sounds like something from infowars or rt.com
gravenimage says
What sickening calumny.
Matthieu Baudin says
“… Cameron and May … worked assiduously to bar counter-jihadists such as Pamela Geller and me from the country, for the crime of noting that Islam has a doctrine of warfare against unbelievers. ..”
That’s right, you have so much to contribute towards a greater understanding of Islamic Terrorism and very good ideas to contribute towards the defence of civil societies and democracies such as Great Britain.
It is staggering, almost unbelievable, that you should continue to be barred from the U.K. If it is any consolation, I’m confident that you would have been free to enter an independent Scotland, a land where people still have a very strong affinity to plain speech and are not overly concerned about some feathers being ruffled along the way.
Perhaps there even exists an opportunity today, under Scottish Law, for you to visit that northern half of the United Kingdom?
Roger says
Matthew, I beg to differ re: Scotland, the scottish SNP are far left/marxist, they would have welcomed tens of thousands of Syrians with open arms..and wallets. (until the cash ran out)
bernie says
The Scots really started to get infuriated with Islamofascist scum after the unbelievably cruel murder of the young boy Kriss Donald by a Pakistani immigrant and several accomplices. Those dirtbags should not even have the luxury of having protective custody, they should be tossed in with the general prison population.
As for the English, maybe they’ll finally wake up after several thousands of more non-Muslim girls are raped, sodomized, drugged and beaten by “grooming gangs”, but who knows.
Edward says
H’m, what I heard in the late 49’s has manifested, that Briton was not going to be our best future ally! Who would have known that the ME imports would’ve eventually be our enemies; who would be using the Brits resources to break the bond between the two nations.
I also remember hearing that Russia would repent…her repentance would eventually bring America and Russia to form an alliance by bonding their mutual efforts to fight a common enemy.
I also remember hearing about Russia’s consecration of which has not been done….for the Vatican has rejected that possibility. Now I wonder about the Vatican’s present corruption state! Are they down playing Russia’s role in the fight against ISIS?
Here’s Putin’s stand on fighting terrorism:
“If minorities prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places that are the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination”
– Vladimir Putin
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/09/17/finally-a-western-leader-who-declares-that-russia-is-our-best-ally-in-the-fight-against-islamic-terrorism/
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, I’m afraid Putin’s stand against Shari’ah only sounds tough.
He has uncritically allowed Ramzen Kadyrov to implement Shari’ah law in Chechnya.
Edward says
Putin seems to like playboy types like Kadyrov.
Looks like Putin uses Kadyrov like a temporary useful pawn to quell unrest in Chechnya. He has a knack to control the crowd…..but he is a very bad hombre …..extra brutal!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov#Honor_killings
Mazo says
Fake bs quote. Go look at snopes, it’s been debunked.
Mike says
Even The Grauniad almost makes sense, for ONCE:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/08/egypt-plane-crash-tourists-can-stay-clear-unlike-those-living-with-terror
boris99 says
Thanks for posting that article. The article itself is in the main a piece of apologism for terror. Reading the comments though, which 99 percent disagree with the article, are heartwarming.
RICHTHOFEN says
The multi-culti myth peddlers, capitulators and limp wristed surrenderers to islam in Britain are a disgrace – their kow-towing is a threat to us and the rest of the civilised world
Cliffhild says
I object strongly to these bombers being called ‘British’ — they’re Muslims and as such consider that the whole world belongs to Allah and recognise no individual countries. Their loyalty is to Islam, not Britain and the sooner we recognise that the better.