Is this a genuine attempt to counter the jihadists’ interpretation of Islam, or a cynical exercise designed to deceive Western non-Muslims and keep them ignorant and complacent about the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat? Well, it’s not a good sign that two of the five Muslim scholars who put “The Study Quran” together are the arrogant and vapid puffball Joseph Lumbard and the even more arrogant, rude, hostile, condescending, and hate-filled Islamic supremacist Caner K. Dagli.
Arrogance, rudeness and condescension are, however, the hallmarks of so many Muslim scholars today (think Reza Aslan) that this book cannot be dismissed on that basis alone, although this recurring personality trait doesn’t speak well of Islam’s ability to instill in its believers any sense of basic human courtesy (except perhaps for fellow Muslims). This book, like all books, should be reviewed on its merits alone — so let’s see what its creators say about it in this CNN puff piece. Much more interspersed below.
“Could this Quran curb extremism?,” by Daniel Burke, CNN, November 26, 2015:
(CNN)On a warm November night in Washington, a small group of American Muslims gathered at Georgetown University to celebrate “The Study Quran,” new English translation of Islam’s most sacred scripture.
By the next evening, several said, the need for the book became painfully apparent.
The Islamic State had struck again, this time slaughtering 130 men and women in Paris. The group quoted the Quran twice in its celebratory statement.
Surely CNN must have mentioned before that the Islamic State quoted the Qur’an twice in its statement on the Paris attacks, but if it did, that report is exceedingly hard to find — try it and see. It looks as if CNN only saw fit to bring up that fact when it had, in the form of “The Study Quran,” what it thought to be a refutation of the Islamic State’s Qur’anic exegesis. The fact that the Islamic State justifies its actions and makes recruits among peaceful Muslims by referring to the Qur’an and Sunnah is not something that CNN generally thinks it important for Americans to know.
After the attacks, President Barack Obama renewed his call for Muslim scholars and clerics to “push back” against “twisted interpretations of Islam.” Some U.S. presidential candidates fed anti-Islamic flames, creating the most hostile environment since 9/11, American Muslims said.
If the mainstream claim that Islam is a Religion of Peace that has been hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists were remotely true, then it would be easy to find Qur’an-based refutations of the Islamic State’s understanding of Islam: the President of the United States wouldn’t be calling on Muslim clerics to “push back” against “twisted interpretations of Islam” fourteen years after 9/11. But such purported refutations have generally been exercises in deception designed to make Westerners feel good about Islam rather than genuine attempts to induce Islamic jihadists to lay down their arms and take up the cause of peace. See, for example, here and here about the celebrated letter of Muslim scholars to the Islamic State’s caliph al-Baghdadi.
“The whole program of ISIS is to turn Muslims against the West and the West against Muslims,” said Joseph Lumbard, one of the five scholars behind “The Study Quran.”
“They want the West not to understand Islam.”
This is disingenuous. The Islamic State actually wants the West to understand Islam: that’s why it fills its communiques with Qur’an quotes and references to Muhammad.
Thus far, many English translations of the Quran have been ill-suited to foiling extremist ideology or introducing Americans to Islam. Even after 9/11, when interest surged and publishers rushed Qurans to the market, few of the 25 or so available in English are furnished with helpful footnotes or accessible prose.
Meanwhile, Christians or Jews may pick up a Quran and find their worst fears confirmed.
Odd. Why would the Book of Peace have such an odd effect?
“I never advise a non-Muslim who wants to find out more about Islam to blindly grab the nearest copy of an English-language Quran they can find,” Mehdi Hasan, a journalist for Al Jazeera, said during the panel discussion at Georgetown.
Of course he doesn’t, because Mehdi Hasan knows full well what the book says. Hence the need for “The Study Quran,” to make non-Muslims think that, well, yes, the Qur’an does say that, but it doesn’t really mean it.
Ten years in the making, “The Study Quran” is more than a rebuttal to terrorists, said Seyyed Hossein Nasr, an Iranian-born intellectual and the book’s editor-in-chief. His aim was to produce an accurate, unbiased translation understandable to English-speaking Muslims, scholars and general readers.
The editors paid particular attention to passages that seem to condone bloodshed, explaining in extensive commentaries the context in which certain verses were revealed and written.
“The commentaries don’t try to delete or hide the verses that refer to violence. We have to be faithful to the text, ” said Nasr, a longtime professor at George Washington University. “But they can explain that war and violence were always understood as a painful part of the human condition.”
Oh, well then, that makes it all right!
The scholar hopes his approach can convince readers that no part of the Quran sanctions the brutal acts of ISIS.
“The best way to counter extremism in modern Islam,” he said, “is a revival of classical Islam.”
Translation wins plaudits from academics
At the Georgetown panel, after a musician played a Persian lute, Nasr introduced his hand-picked translation team as “his children.” All are his former students and Muslims, the scholar said, a condition he set before signing the contract with the publisher, HarperOne.
The book has been endorsed by an A-list of Muslim-American academics. One, Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, called it “perhaps the most important work done on the Islamic faith in the English language to date.”…
The Quran itself says that some verses are clear, while others are allegorical, the ultimate interpretation known only to the Almighty. Likewise, some passages are poetic, describing the grandeur of God and pleasures of paradise. Others detail how Mohammed captured territory and defended his new community, at times with force.Those verses should be read literally and applied liberally, ISIS and other extremists argue. The editors of “The Study Quran” disagree.
Questions about literal interpretation
ISIS presents itself as a return to the roots of the religion, back to a time when the Quran was the only guide for Mohammed and his companions — no commentary, no debates. But its brand of Islam, known as Wahhabism, emerged in the 18th century. It is a relative latecomer to the tradition and has always been a minority view among Muslims, scholars say.
By contrast, early Muslims revered the Quran as the literal word of God but knew that not every verse should be interpreted literally, argue the editors of “The Study Quran.” Disputes and commentary about sacred scripture are not a modern, liberal betrayal of Islamic tradition. They are the tradition.
Still, those who argue that “Islam is a religion of peace” are wrong if they mean the faith is pacifist, said Caner Dagli, one of the editors and a scholar at the College of the Holy Cross in Massachusetts. “The Quran does allow the justified use of force.”
Mohammed wasn’t just God’s messenger, Muslims believe. He was also a head of state who built a new community in hostile territory, which often meant seizing and holding land through force.
But all that is all right, because here comes a tu quoque:
The Bible has also its share of bloody moments. But many of those moments are part of a larger story — Joshua overcoming the Amalekites, for example. It’s apparent that the battle occurred at a particular historical moment and is not meant to be repeated.
But in the Quran, many of the stories are stripped away, making the commentary — which provides the context — even more crucial.
“A lot of the classical commentaries viewed these verses (on violence) as having limited application, and that’s what we wanted to bring out,” Lumbard said.
Selective use by ISIS
Take, for example, verse 47:4, a text that ISIS has used to justify its brutal beheadings of its captives in Iraq and Syria. It reads:
“When you meet those who disbelieve, strike at their necks; then, when you have overwhelmed them, tighten the bonds. Then free them graciously or hold them for ransom, till war lays down its burdens. …”
Taken alone, the first sentence could be read as condoning the killing of non-Muslims wherever ISIS encounters them, whether it be an Iraqi desert or Parisian cafe.
But the context makes clear that the verse is “confined to the battle and not a continuous command,” Lumbard said, noting that the verse also suggests prisoners of war can be set free, which ISIS apparently ignores.
Lumbard ignores the fact that the Islamic State considers itself to be at war with the West — thus justifying the application of verses “confined to the battle.” Also, the verse says, “free them graciously or hold them for ransom,” not free them outright — and the Islamic State has demanded ransom for hostages many times.
In the Qurans pushed by the Saudis and ISIS, questions can arise even in peaceful-seeming verses.
After praising God, the Quran’s first surah (chapter) rebukes sinners who anger the Almighty or wander from the faith. In the Saudi-promoted translation, the guilty parties are named in parentheses: Jews and Christians.
The translation an Islamic State recruiter reportedly sent to a young American is even harsher.
In the online version, a footnote asserts that Mohammed himself said: “Those upon whom wrath is brought down are the Jews and those who went astray are the Christians.”
The Jews “rejected Jesus, a prophet of God, as a liar,” the footnote continues, while Christians erred by believing that Jesus is divine.
Lumbard pushes back against that interpretation, arguing that elsewhere in the Quran it is evident that anyone, including Muslims, can irk God and wander from the straight and narrow. And the saying — or hadith — attributing Christian and Jewish insults to Mohammed is of debatable authenticity, the scholar says.
Lumbard is again being disingenuous. This is not just a Saudi or Islamic State interpretation of this verse; it is a venerable interpretation in Islamic tradition. The classic Qur’anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that “the two paths He described here are both misguided,” and that those “two paths are the paths of the Christians and Jews, a fact that the believer should beware of so that he avoids them. The path of the believers is knowledge of the truth and abiding by it. In comparison, the Jews abandoned practicing the religion, while the Christians lost the true knowledge. This is why ‘anger’ descended upon the Jews, while being described as ‘led astray’ is more appropriate of the Christians.” Ibn Kathir’s understanding of this passage is not a lone “extremist” interpretation. In fact, most Muslim commentators believe that the Jews are those who have earned Allah’s wrath and the Christians are those who have gone astray. This is the view of Tabari, Zamakhshari, the Tafsir al-Jalalayn, the Tanwir al-Miqbas min Tafsir Ibn Abbas, and Ibn Arabi, as well as Ibn Kathir. One contrasting, but not majority view, is that of Nisaburi, who says that “those who have incurred Allah’s wrath are the people of negligence, and those who have gone astray are the people of immoderation.”
There were times, though, when even Mohammed disagreed with the Quran. Verse 4:34 is one of those instances, said Maria Dakake, an expert on Islamic studies at George Mason University in Virginia.
One of the most controversial sections of the Quran, 4:34 is sometimes derisively called the “beat your wife” verse. It says that if men “fear discord and animosity” from their wives, they may strike them after first trying to admonish their spouse and “leave them in bed.”
“It’s obviously a difficult verse,” said Dakake, the only woman on the translation team of “The Study Quran.”
“I found it difficult when I first read it as a woman, and when people today, both men and women, try to address the meaning of the verse in a contemporary context, they can find it difficult to understand and reconcile with their own sense of right and wrong.”
But Dakake said that while reading through the reams of commentary, she found that Mohammed did not like the verse, either. In one hadith, or saying attributed the prophet, he reportedly said, “I wanted one thing, and God wanted another.”
“That was very meaningful to me,” Dekake [sic] said. “We can say, looking at this commentary, that hitting your wife, even if it is permitted in the Quran, was not the morally virtuous thing to do from the point of view of the prophet.”…
Any Muslim will tell you that nothing, even Muhammad’s wishes, supersedes the Qur’an. Dakake doesn’t mention that wife-beating is also sanctioned by Muhammad’s example: A hadith has Aisha reporting that Muhammad struck her. Once he went out at night after he thought she was asleep, and she followed him surreptitiously. Muhammad saw her, and, as Aisha recounts: “He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?” (Sahih Muslim 2127)
A reporter asked: How could “The Study Quran” help?
Webb said he imagines a young Muslim man — the kind of lost soul who grasps for the nearest certainty he can find. He imagines that young man watching ISIS or al Qaeda propaganda online, alone in his room, listening to them quote the Quran, trying to coax him into violent action.
And then Webb imagines the young man opening “The Study Quran,” and reading scholars’ commentaries on those perplexing verses, and finding that most of them, perhaps all of them, disagree with the terrorists.
The vaunted “moderate” Webb has dismissed secularism as a “radical lunatic ideology,” which means the dismissal of the idea that the government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed, and the embracing of the idea that the law of Allah constitutes the only legitimate constitution and government. He has also appeared at events hosted by Hamas-linked CAIR, a group that he openly lauds.

Don McKellar says
Who owns CNN at this point? Who is running the place? It’s as if the Saudis have bought it and are pulling all the strings for their “soft sell” arm of jihad and deception. You turn on that channel and it’s like you’ve entered an alternative universe where wrong is right, and white is black and the moon is made of green cheese. Even RT, heavily skewed with an anti-West propaganda spin, is more factual and reliable than CNN is now!
And how is this fake old hag-monster Amanpour even able to appear on TV any more? She’s the least credible journalist in the world after Geraldo Rivera.
Don McKellar says
Just doing a little research into my own question, I see that Time Warner (CNN’s parent company) is Hillary Clinton’s seventh largest financial backer. They join Saudi Arabia and UAE and a bunch of other astonishing donors to the Hillary presidential train. Just follow the money and you start getting the sickening answers you really didn’t want to hear.
JeffSmith says
OMG I have been wondering the same thing. Who is running the shots at CNN MSNBC etc. It seems like just a pile of propaganda rubbish. Notice how some of their better reporters left a while ago.
Jay Boo says
On wife beating:
“(In one hadith, or saying attributed the prophet, he reportedly said, “I wanted one thing, and God wanted another.”)”
The old Allah made me do it excuse.
Muhammad said the same thing “I wanted one thing, and God wanted another.” about marrying his own daughter in law.
jihad3tracker says
If you want the names of three counter-jihadists (there are others, of course) who are predominantly responsible for this attempt at whitewashing Allah’s bloodthirsty agenda, they are Robert Spencer, Pam Geller, David Wood.
David Wood — www dot answeringmuslims dot com — is the brilliant & mordantly funny expert on Islam who has made three superb videos. I’ve mentioned them often before, but this is a holiday weekend and there may be newbie visitors here at JW.
Go to David’s website and search “The Jihad Triangle” (five minutes), “Three Stages of Jihad” (twenty-five minutes), “Taqiyya” (also brief). Take notes to jot down his citations from the Trilogy. And, as I’ve said before, please leave a comment of gratitude.
jihad3tracker says
OOOPS ! ! ! I forgot to mention a Glazov Gang episode with David — posted here in the last couple of weeks. Search “Top Ten Reasons ISIS . . .” Apology for not having the full title handy. David quotes verses from Sura Nine, which is chronologically the second to last book in the Qur’an, dating from 631, about a year before Muhammad died.
As girls and boys in Headmaster Spencer’s School of What’s Happenin’ already know, THE PRINCIPLE OF ABROGATION mandates that all PREVIOUSLY REVEALED verses that conflict with specific commands in Sura Nine ARE CANCELLED. POOF ! ! ! GONE, BABY ! ! ! ADIOS ! ! ! So the slaughter and subjugation wreaked on non-believers and heretics are perfectly OK.
I have not read the entire article above, but consider me highly surprised if such reality was discussed by those lovely people trying desperately to find ways to get damage under control
jihad3tracker says
I certainly hope that all of this scholarly bunch will ask FBI top dog Comey to give them the names and addresses of the domestic jihadis who are so ready to mobilize that they are kept under 24-7 team surveillance at huge expense..
With a copy of the “Study Qur’an”, they could sit down with a few of the project principals, and have a great time realizing how wrong their perspective is. Maybe Barry Hussein, our Secret Muslim Loyalist, would award some sort of medal.
silvergreycat says
David Wood explains why ‘The Study Quran’ was written… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEKhq8nHbA8
pdxnag says
Who is the intended audience? Is it Jihadi’s, to convert them to non-Jihadi’s, or heaven forbid to become apostates?
Will a Jihadi in a member state of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) read this instead of Al Azhar approved texts? Can they just as easily wholly abandon reading any Islamic texts? (In Turkey they recently mandated teaching of Islam, for everybody.)
On apostates, what does it say. Death?
Jay Boo says
“On apostates, what does it say. Death?”
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Yes, but there is a footnote explaining that Muhammad meant it in a NICE way.
Robert Crawford says
The intended audience are the weak-minded who don’t want to hear the truth. It’s intended to give them a reason to ignore what the Koran says, while the jihadis continue to cite the Arabic text.
Cicero says
This ” Study Quran” will have an effect on those non-muslims who are still ignorant of the ideology of the ” holy” Koran. Instead of going to the original souce they may go to the Koran apologetic ie the Study Quran and then use that to bolster their false sense of security.
Additionally, themuslims themselves. Will push the Study Quran onto unsuspecting infidels in order to further their taqqiya agenda.
The anti jihad contigent must brush up on their knowledge of this unholy book of the muslims as well as having thoroughly rehearsed counter arguments to deploy at opportune moments as we go about our daily lives.
Wellington says
Taqiyya about taqiyya.
Jay Boo says
If “The Study Quran” becomes a top hit with Muslims we might be seeing more Islamic centers dump their old incriminating Qur’ans in the canal like they did in the UK.
el cid says
This whole discussion proves my point: Fundamentalism is the lowest common denominator. Their efforts will have the opposite effect UNLESS it causes a continued discussion of the actual verses in public.
Note that they do not say that the verse no longer applies in the 21st century–no they say that what the prophet meant is not what he wrote.
That is just a plain bald faced lie!
Jay Boo says
We can be somewhat thankful that Muslims don’t always follow the Qur’an and behave like Muslims.
Pig Jizya says
I agree. The more accurate term is not “Islamic radicals” but “Islamic fundamentalists”.
Westman says
So, the Quran should be seen as incomplete, “many of the stories are stripped away”, and devoid of context. That means Allah was NOT all-knowing of the future problems that lack of context would bring to Islam. Maybe Allah was Muhammad, or, just lazy.
Most hilarious is trying to tone down the “wife beating” verses of the Quran by saying Muhammad did not agree with them. So, who is the ultimate actor in Islam, Muhammad or Allah?
The apologist explanation to nullify wife beating elevates Muhammad to Allah’s level. Blasphemy! Off with his..
The apologist book “The Study Quran” was 10 years in the making. It’s unfortunate that Allah didn’t work as hard to avoid the meaning ISIS gets from reading the Quran literally. Great work, though, it will bring peace to Europe as the Muslims integrate as peaceful patriots and forget all the supremist notions that were planted by literally interpreting the Quran. Bravo!
Wellington says
Another risible feature about the Koran, Westman, is the whole “abrogation thing.” It’s so silly and so transparent that Mohammed was making stuff up, then changed his mind and made new stuff up with instruction to forget the old stuff that was made up———but, and here’s the clincher, the old stuff was still kept in. It’s as though one wrote a book and then wrote a major revision of that book but didn’t take anything out from the first effort. Beyond stupid.
Islam, aside from being heinous, is also ridiculous. Abrogation is a case in point. Hope you and yours had a memorable Thanksgiving.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Modern politicians call this evolving. Watching Prez Barack Hussein on TV (he’s always talking into a camera) or Hillary on the campaign stump makes me think, “We are devo!”
jihad3tracker says
Hello again Wellington — Here is the David Wood “Top Ten Qur’an Verses” video that he did with Jamie Glazov, if this hotlink does not get taken down by Robert’s troll detector:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/the-top-ten-quran-verses-to-understand-isis-on-the-glazov-gang
AT 17:25 IN THE VIDEO, DAVID GIVES ONE OF THE ABROGATION VERSES: Sura 2:106. Listen to his amusing contextual remarks about Muhammad being accused by contemporaries of just making stuff up as he went along, as you write in your post.
KnowThyEnemy says
A normal person would indeed consider it ludicrous that the abrogated old stuff was still kept in the Koran alongwith the new revised stuff. In practice however, this system works wonders when it comes to fooling people into believing whatever it is that the taqiyya-Islamists want them to believe. It is as if Shaitan..err…..Allah knew that his followers are going to need to fool people and so he included material in his book accordingly.
It is deception that makes Islam thrive. Without it, Islam would have died off long ago. (Violence and thuggery by themselves are not enough to keep a bad idea alive for too long.) In Islam, everyone is deceived. The non-Muslims, women (Muslimahs), the ‘moderate Muslims’ etc are all deceived, and the people doing the deceiving, usually mullahs and other learnt clever Muslims, are themselves deceived without even realizing it. In Quran Surah 8 Ayats 42,43,44, Allah says he deceived Muhammad to accomplish something he wanted (make his followers go to war). It does not occur to the Koran-educated Muslims that it is only Satan who is likely to deceive his own followers, not God. It does not occur to them that the reveal-er of Koran could be deceiving them elsewhere in the book too!
Wellington says
Interesting point, KTE. One not to be dismissed. And thanks to jihad3tracker, APF and Davegreybeard for their comments.
P.S. If I find such a cartoon, Davegreybeard, I’ll let you know. Perhaps Bosch Fawstin could come up with one, so talented he is in this respect.
Davegreybeard says
Yes the tenet of abrogation is ridiculous.
I have been looking for an appropriate cartoon to illustrate this quirk in Islam, to use in a presentation.
Anybody know of one?
Mirren10 says
Can’t remember the number of the sura, but it’s the one where ‘allah’ witters about abrogation, and says people accuse him of being a forger.
What about a cartoon of ‘allah’ as a mafia forger ? 🙂 Maybe graven could draw it !
abad says
“I never advise a non-Muslim who wants to find out more about Islam to blindly grab the nearest copy of an English-language Quran they can find,” Mehdi Hasan, a journalist for Al Jazeera, said during the panel discussion at Georgetown.
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That is really all one needs to do if they want to learn about Islam.
It’s called, using the local public library. Plenty of Imam-endorsed books including the Quran on Islam.
Usually right next to the Robert Spencer books on Islam on the same shelf.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
This book could be a mistake. Why publish it when all Westerners — academe, news entertainers, and politicians — pretend like it there’s nothing bad in it, that it’s equivalent to the Bible. The Moslem editors surely feel that nobody reads anymore, and that the principle of abrogation would be shrugged off as a minor detail, so the risk is minimal, but aside from making some money or pushing careerism, this is a mystery.
My guess is they publish, nobody reads it, countless interviews will give a platform to spread taquiyya, and the population will feel that just by publishing it the Moslems feel they having nothing to explain. But it could backfire by having certain news entertainers actually read and understand the damned thing. It’d have to be them, cuz the academics would never do such a thing, and the politicos will not ever take the first step.
Guest says
Certainly inconvenient timing with the Danish study showing the koran to be more violent than all other religions and with politicians running around claiming the Paris attacks had nothing to do with islam.
At least this might get more people reading what’s in the koran, where the problems are, and maybe, maybe even persuading some muslims to take a more ‘reformed’ interpretation of the nasty verses. Isn’t that what we’ve been wanting (short of 1.4 billion apostates which is unlikely)?
Jay Boo says
Good mug shot
sally says
They may have opened pandora’s box and the furies are going to fly out at them from a cave somewhere in Arabia. Certainly they have set a precedent for changing the thing that’s, well, unprecedented, a tiny crack … let’s see if anyone picks up the ball. If that is the case some people might have to find another hobby.
S Barkat says
Before we can plant seeds (of peace) we must remove the weeds. Everywhere,Jihadi PREACHERS compete with one another.
There can not be any reformation in islam – separation of theocracy
Islam was not founded as a personal faith but as a state ideology of Mohameds Medinan islamic state..
Islam’s entrenched bigoted hatred of non-Muslims is based not just on the Qur’an but also on 1400 years of oral tradition.
Local, national and internationally known islamic terrorist and global network of terror are the player in Islam terror. Muslims refuse to obey, European rules and regulation , claiming against their religion, standing for the judge in the court, girls fully covered in the school, doctors working fully veiled in the hospital, men can not do this and that job and so on. Muslims are also making the money abusing the equality laws.
(The most ‘perfect’ Muslim is a suicide bomber, who is doing Allah’s duty in killing the infidel, and is rewarded immediately with paradise and 72 black-eyed virgins. All other Muslims must suffer death and the grave. The suicide bombers, being highly esteemed by every Muslim, would certainly want to be recognized for their deeds and sacrifice to Allah. Glory and sacrifice and rewards to the family including that the homicide-suicide bomber can intercede so seventy of their relatives also get into Paradise. ” According to islam, dying in jihad cancels immediately all sins of the “martyr”.
(In oldest Yemini quran not 72 virgin but 72 grapes)
any Islamic country condemning any terrorist attack openly, or calling out that they will make violent Islamic practice and blasphemy illegal in their country
Here is an example:
Primary School Christian Girl Banned From Muslim-Only School Bathroom and a severe punishment administered specifically to a young girl for using a Muslim lavatory.
A Christian schoolgirl was denied access to a bathroom only for the use of Muslim students by her head teacher, who then abused her verbally.
Thu, November 12, 2015
Illustrative picture (Photo: © Creative Commons)
In a Government Girls Primary School in Samudari, FaisalabadPakistan, a Christian student named Sara Bibi made the mistake for using the Muslim only toilet and returned to class. Her offended Muslim classmates, however, reported the misdeed to their principal, Zahida Rana, who deliver appropriate Sharia justice to the infidel who defiled their superior washroom.
Headmistress Rana beat Bibi, threatening and humiliating her with vulgar epithets in front of the class. Rana then locked Bibi in a bathroom, most likely not the Muslim facility, for three hours until the school day ended. Local media revealed that the principal tortured the Christian student, beat her and taunted her, “You are Christian an infidel and how you dared to use washroom which Muslim girls use.” Bibi pleaded and cried to be freed from the bathroom, but Rana was indignant with the Christian girl.
Christians are abused, persecuted, and segregated nearly everywhere. “Christian cannot eat in almost all Muslim owned restaurant , schools, colleges, office buildings nor they can drink water in same glasses which is worst kind of hate on religion in Pakistan but this new trend of prohibition on use of toilets in schools is inexpressible in words.”
The incident is reminiscent of the case of Asia Bibi, a Christian mother who is sentenced to death for blasphemy after Muslim women saw her drinking from a “Muslims Only” water source.
Many will falsely or ignorantly claim that this has nothing to do with Islam, but this is a key fundamental of the religion
People with authority will claim, “We do not allow any form of discrimination on the basis of faith, caste or creed However, most of the Christians of all ages have awful experiences to tell due to their faith throughout the country
o The Quran dehumanizes non-Muslims, describing them as “animals” and beasts:
Those who disbelieve from among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)
Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to “panting dogs” with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness. Verse 7:179 says they are like “cattle” only worse.
Verse 5:60 says the unbelievers are unclean. Verse 6:111 says they are ignorant. Verse 23:55 says they are helpers of the devil.
Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. This is echoed by verses 7:166 and 2:65.
A hadith (Bukhari 54:524) says that Muhammad believed rats to be “mutated Jews” (also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).
Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than the demons who believe in Muhammad.
The Religion of Peace website goes on to note that: “According to Islamic law, non-Muslims may be owned as property by Muslims…”
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran-hate.htm
SOME HISTORY writes, “SOMEHISTORY writes, “No one made the moslims commit the terror”.Pakistani muslims and others are born in a society based on hatred and then raised in Prejudice of other religions.
There is only one conclusion: either islam conquers the whole world, or collapses.
to understand the power of religious indoctrination (which is why I detest proselytism of any sort).
These jihadists were born into Muslim families, The fact is that Muslims learn their creed in many ways–at home,
raised in a Muslim society, indoctrinated with Islamic ideology/ CREED , educated in Muslim madrassas
in the Mosque, subjected to Friday Kutbahs (Islamic “sermons”), by militant imams in their mosques. ).( The hate and venom is spawned in the mosques every Friday by the depraved imams. Death to infidels death to Americans – remember. The mosques are the source of all demonic ideas put in the heads of these mooslems)
from their thug buddies, from the “community”, from Imams’ from influential Jihadi leaders like the still-popular Anwar al-Awlaki, on-line, from Jihadi videos, and from reading the Qur’an and Hadith and following the model of the horrific “Prophet”.
All these factors condition a Muslim’s mindset to be predisposed toward intolerance and jihadist behaviour.
Glorification of Criminal and killers
Criminals will be considered as Hero by masses.Masques, library and school built in their their name (Google mumtaz Qadri) “Ulema will organize marches; create unrest, terror in hate producing seminaries and masques
Only Political Correctness kill people in the west and religion of peace kill people everywhere.
the situation of muslims in europe is much better than of christians in muslim countries-
Ask Pakistani Christians in Pakistan,
ask the copts in egypt or ask the armenian.
Ask the christians in eritrea or nigeria-
Ask Christians in Ache ,Indonesia and many other parts of the world
Internet posted September 1, 2015
Saudi Sheikh: Men in Paradise Will Be Busy ‘Tearing Hymens’
Saudi Sheikh Yahya Al-Jana’ explains the precise ‘pleasures’ of a man who has the merit to enter the ‘Paradise’ of the next world. Note: Most women don’t make it there.
Saudi Sheikh Yahya Al-Jana’ waxes lyrical about the joy virgins
There are not many women in paradise. It is mostly men who enter paradise. (Prophet Mohammed) said that some women would not even smell paradise. although it can be smelled from a distance that would take 500 years to cross. Why? They are unveiled playing, up charms. Wearing tight clothes in shopping malls putting on perfumes and jewllary, talking to young men , sending her pictures via filthy social media platforms.
Allah described (the virgins of paradise) very specifically. He even described their breasts: indeed for the pious there is place for triumph. Gardens and grape yards, full -breasted women of equal age.” “Full-breasted women of equal age” refer to the virgin of paradise.Allah described their breasts in order to let you know what awaits for you in paradise. There is no shame talking about these things. (Allah) wants make you vie for (paradise). This message is directed towards people whose loose paradise because they succumbs to momentary lust. The breasts of the virgins of paradise are like pomegranates. They don’t sag, they are very beautiful. Where are lover of women? Where are you, who desire these virgins. How many people lost their promised virgins for sake of one unveiled whore? Allah even mentioned sex, in order to make you lust for paradise. It is just food, drink and happiness. There is also sex, as well as women who are nothing like those you meet in this world. Allah said:”indeed, dwellers of paradise will be busy in joyful things that day. They and their wives will be reclining on adorned couches” Abu Mujliz said that he asked Abn ‘Abbas:. Allah said dwellers of paradise are busy. What keeps them busy? What keeps them busy O Ibn ‘Abbas?” Ibn ‘Abbas said: “They Will Be Busy ‘Tearing Hymens” Is there sex in paradise? Yes, Ibn ‘Abbas narrated the prophet Mohamed was asked, (Oh messenger of Allah, will we have sex with our wives in paradise, like we do on earth. Mohammed said, “by Allah, a man have a hundred virgins in a single morning.” And what it is more amazing is that each time he returns one of them, he will find that she is virgin again and that she is even more lustful and feminine. He will find her virgin again, not like a women in this world. Whose hymens ruptured once that’s it. Ever time he returns from meeting Allah, he will find a virgin again.The dwellers of paradise given the strength of a hundred men. When it comes to eating, drinking and sex, because, some of the dwellers of paradise may be married off to a hundred woen or even more. He will be given the strength of a hundred men, so that in one morning, he will be able to have sex with hundred virgins of paradise
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‘Most of Those Who Enter the Gates of Hell Are Women’
At a Friday sermon at the al-Salam mosque in Giza, Egypt, an imam explains to men where women will end up and how ‘in paradise,’ a man ‘will be given the strength of a 100 men when it comes to lust, pleasure, eating, drinking and sexual intercourse.’
Egyptian Imam Abu Mu’adh Al-Dardiri extols the pleasure of paradise
Friday Sermon Al-Salam Mosque ,Giza. Egypt. Internet May 8, 2015.
‘Most of Those Who Enter the Gates of Hell Are Women’, Most of the dwellers of hell are women. Out of every 100 dwellers of hell, 30 are men and 70 are women. In other words, every 3 men in hell, there are seven women. The prophet Mohammed said, with regard to the black-eyed virgin of paradise: “A will lie on his back in paradise for 70 years…”. He will enjoy those virgins of paradise regular basis. But at some point virgin will come to him, slap him on the shoulders. This is a pampering slap, a slap of love. Some men like this. A man likes to be slapped by a women, as long as it is not on the neck. The prophet Mohammed said:” I swear by Allah that a man in (paradise) will be given a strength of hundred men when it comes to lust, pleasure, eating, drinking and sexual intercourse.’ A hundred men! According to the hadith by Zayd IB Arqam, quoted in the Musnad of Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, “A man (in paradise) will have a hundred virgins just in one morning” ,just in one morning. He said: “ he will have a hundred virgins just in one morning” These are the words of prophet Mohammed.
Davegreybeard says
Well, the obvious place to start is:
“Never did We send a Messenger or a Prophet before you, but; when he did recite the revelation or narrated or spoke, Shaitan (Satan) threw (some falsehood) in it.” (22:52)
and just proceed from there.
Should be able to clear all this up in no time.
Mo says
I wanted to see how much it costs. But when you click on the links to the various outlets to buy it (Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books a Million, etc.) the link doesn’t go anywhere. It stays on the same page.
koran at a glance says
On the other hand Allah did claim that his revelations were clear. Wouldn’t he be annoyed to find out that these people know better?
Whether they are genuine or just intend to throw sand in the kuffar’s eyes, it will make no difference to the believers unless they stop using the unvarnished version to teach Islam to their children. After a childhood of reciting all this stuff about the filthy kuffar is it likely that they are going to emerge saying “Yes, but he really meant….”?
eduardo odraude says
Here’s what appears to be an attempt at balanced analysis of some Muslim scholars’ argument against ISIS.
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8873.htm
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Don’t these Study Koran promoters realize that the Quran is unique
in not needing any exegesis? The Quran proclaims its own clarity;
the chapter-and-verse citations are 11:1, 6:114, 16:89, 41:3. See
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/clarity.html
But translators of the Quran think they are helping their readers by adding
“explanatory” wording in parentheses or square brackets. Take a look at
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=47&verse=4
This lists seven translations of the same verse, Q47:4, telling
how to behave when you meet a non-Muslim.
The Sahih International translation says, “So when you meet
those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks …”.
The square brackets indicate that “in battle” was added by the
translator, who seems not to think that Allah’s words were
clear to begin with. Allah never said “in battle”; Allah placed
no restrictions on the circumstances under which a Muslim
meets a kafir.
The Pickthall translation is even worse: “Now when ye meet
in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks …”.
This translator Pickthall doesn’t even use parentheses or
brackets to indicate that he is adding “explanatory” words
to Allah’s. Allah never said “in battle”, and Allah only talked
about “striking” necks, not smiting them (with a weapon).
This striking could mean the equivalent of a hearty, congratulatory
slap on the back, only not on the back but on the neck, either on the
nape or on the Azzam’s apple; Allah leaves the exact point of contact
to the discretion of the neck-striker.
Translators should have more respect for the clear words of Allah,
and not add their own comments, as if they know more than Allah.
Rolf Wittwer says
CNN it seems, has since 911 getting orders, to be soft towards Islam.
Is our daily medial dictated “Political Correctness” an invention of Islam so that no any Muslim could be offended or harmed?
It looks like.
ballotcode says
They are trying to polish a turd. Complete waste of time.
Dave J says
“Why do they hate us?” Because the Koran tells them to and the unfortunates born into Islam are taught this above all else, to the point of memorizing entire chapters as small children. This brainwashing, in tandem with the 5x a day worship, the weekly preaching of the crazy Imams and the death penalty for questioning is what creates teenage jihadis.
The Koran is indefensible, which is why the best strategy is to widely distribute English translations and then force Muslims to try to defend it.
Why is it that the media makes no comprehensive examination of the Koran, despite the continuing attacks made by those who use it as their inspiration? Are they not up to the task or have they been threatened with “unrest”?
Dave J says
And a related question: Why, since the Paris massacres, have we seen lots of media articles about alleged fear of a backlash among Muslims, or someone said something not nice to a Muslim, plus the endless accusations of “Islamophobia”, yet virtually none about the victims and their families?
Joseph says
Good thing Horton the elephant didn’t write the Koran because there would be no mistake what vile teachings are in there.
I meant what I said and I said what I meant; 100%
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034870/quotes
baucent says
“I never advise a non-Muslim who wants to find out more about Islam to blindly grab the nearest copy of an English-language Quran they can find,” Mehdi Hasan, a journalist for Al Jazeera, said
What an odd statement. That is exactly what a Christian would suggest to a non-Christian if they wanted to find out more about Christianity. “Grab a Bible, read for yourself.” But these Muslin “scholars” have to unlock the secrets and meanings for the inquirer it seems. For illumination or whitewash is the question?
Matthieu Baudin says
Without a couple of Apostates from Islam within the study group the document would hardly be worth the time to read.
mortimer says
This study-Koran is an attempt to deprogram Muslims to drop violent jihad. However, it won’t work because it contradicts CONSENSUS ISLAM…which cannot be reformed, because that would be an admission that Islam isn’t ‘perfect, compete and eternal’.
The only way to DEPROGRAM Muslims is to convince them that the Koran is filled with errors and contradictions that cannot be glossed away with the traditional explanations and to convince them that Islam is morally inconsistent and thus amoral and hopelessly opportunistic. Whatever is opportunistic cannot be moral.
mortimer says
What did we miss in all these ‘bad’ English translations of the Koran?
Sahih International: And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush.
Pickthall: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.
Yusuf Ali: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);
Shakir: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush,
Muhammad Sarwar: When the sacred months are over, slay the pagans wherever you find them. Capture, besiege, and ambush them. If they repent, perform prayers and pay the religious tax, set them free. God is All-forgiving and All-merciful.
Mohsin Khan: Then when the Sacred Months ( have passed, then kill the Mushrikun wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush.
Arberry: Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush.
Edward says
‘The Study Quran’ aims to convince you that “the Muslim holy book doesn’t really mean what it says”.
Yeah RIGHT!
Evil acts give physical evidence that contradicts what they profess! Photos/videos need no words; the scenes seen cries and screams out for the victims justice!
“The New Study Quran” backers are spewing a bunch of gobbledegook like viruses, the same virus that has unknowingly invaded their brains cognizance faculties via the quran’s subliminal worm generated infectious virus which are introduced through their human senses directly to their subconscious minds that are lodged in their aberrated brains!
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The above paragraph’s hashtagged words definitions:
# spewing >something ejected from the mouth.
# gobbledegook > language characterized by circumlocution and jargon, usually hard to understand.
# circumlocution > roundabout or indirect way of speaking; the use of more words than necessary to express an idea.
# subliminal >existing or operating below the immaterial threshold of consciousness; being or employing stimuli insufficiently intense to produce a discrete sensation but often being or designed to be intense enough to influence the mental processes or the behavior of the individual.
# immaterial > not material; incorporeal; perhaps spiritual.
# worm >to cause to move or advance in a devious or stealthy manner.
# aberrated > Characterized by defects, abnormality, or deviation from the usual, typical, or expected course.
mortimer says
-The Koran does not say what it says.
-The 164 eternal jihad verses are not eternal…but they are ‘eternal’.
-The 14 ‘disassociation’ (baraa) verses do not command separation from dirty kafirs.
-Mohammed’s commission to militarily impose Islam is embarrassing…we don’t discuss it.
-The eternal submission of women to men even in paradise is embarrassing…we don’t discuss it.
-The promised reward for jihad murder in the Koran is eternal sex with slaves and rivers of wine…but it’s embarrassingly sophomoric, so we don’t acknowledge it.
-Almost two-thirds of the Koran is about the dirty kafirs, but we do not admit that makes it a political manifesto and a troop motivator.
-ISIS is the first Islamic army quoting the Koran each time it does anything that has nothing to do with Islam.
-For the first time in Islamic history, normative Islamic jihad, and consensus Islam have NOTHING…no NOTHING…to do with Islam.
-That’s right! Islam has nothing to do with Islam.
The caliph al Baghdadi is the first PhD in Islamic studies who has read just about every Islamic text who completely misunderstands Islam as teaching violent jihad against the dirty disbelievers.
Islam
Dr. Divinity says
Study Koran…Buddy koran….Fuddy koran …..English version….Arabic version or All language version….A leopard can not change its spots…neither can the unholy book of Satan,the kora n change. It says what it says. If they want to make a revised version and take away all the sword verses and all of the garbage and then the high mufti or muffin or muffit . imams or Islamic clerics or whatever the high-ups in Islam are called, demand that all Muslim follow it….then that might just be a start to reform but until then, the koran is what it is……THE UNHOLY BOOK OF SATAN and…….They call us the gfeat satan ?????
Jay Boo says
Muhammad’s — first impression of his “revelations” were that they were demonic.
Muhammad — then became furiously suicidal.
Muhammad — claimed the devil tricked him.
Muhammad — claimed a magician put a spell on him.
Muhammad — said he was a “Messenger”
mortimer says
Mohammedans claim Mohammed was a prophet.
Mohammedans claim Mohammed made no prophetic prediction.
Mohammedans claim Mohammed was a mere ‘warner’.
Bridget Ames says
Hey only if we could get the Islamic people to believe this instead of our westerners to then we would not have to worry about horrific realities but be prepared/aware if they were to happen.
Robert Spencer I saw your debate with Peter Kreeft, hands down you did amazing, Islam vs. enlightenment could be comparable to Aides and alcoholism. One is a societies self capitulation the other is an aggressive wiping out everything. Both will get you but one will get you faster and be much more destructive, Where as enlightenment ideologies could be reversed and intervened upon.
mortimer says
We need to develop protocols and curricula for deprogramming Muslims out of Islam.
It is fairly straightforward, using fact-based analysis and critical thought…but how do you make them stay…and listen to all we say?
Many Muslims have been deprogrammed by reading counterjihad websites and a number after debating Robert Spencer.
Mirren10 says
Mortimer, I wish you would stop making assertions, and provide *evidence* for what you say.
*How* many muslims have been ‘deprogrammed’ by reading counter-jihad sites ? Numbers please, statistics please.
*Which* muslims have been ‘deprogrammed’ ”after debating Robert Spencer” ? Names, please.
Several people have now called you on these bland assertions you make, but I have yet to see you reply to anyone on this point.
mortimer says
Robert Spencer wrote: “Any Muslim will tell you that nothing, even Muhammad’s wishes, supersedes the Qur’an.”
In fact, though, in a number of cases, Muslim scholars have claimed hadiths to have more authority than the Koran, for instance, in the case of the ‘LOST VERSE’ of stoning of adulterers. The verse is said to have been removed from the Koran or ‘lost’ or even eaten by a goat…and yet it is still miraculously in force…though not in the Koran that Allah promised to ‘preserve’ eternally.
Allah failed.
The words of Mohammed (and Omar) in the hadiths have MORE authority in a number cases than those of Allah himself.
Ha!
BC says
Stoning to death is being sanctioned as we speak in Soddy Arabia, while the man is given a light punishment
Aton says
There is a much better Koran of Peace, and that is the Enlightenment Koran – available on Amazon. All the verses of hate have been converted into messages of love and peace. So where it normally says that unbelievers will be sent to the fires of hell, it now says that unbelievers will be offered a cup of hot tea. It is kinda humorous too.
Aton
pakundo says
“Blasphemy! The Koran is a perfect book from Allah, and cannot be altered! The punishment for such blasphemy is DEATH! ALLAHU AKBAR!!” (chop chop)
That’s what practicing Muslims think when they hear about such books…
Baucent says
Perhaps there are more Satanic Verses in the Koran than the mullahs want to admit.
Aton says
And on a related topic, why am I not allowed to quote these ‘verses of peace’ from the Book of Peace, in any Western newspaper blog?? Or any blog?
Why do they not want to hear these ‘verses of peace’? Why the cognitive disconnect? How do they rationalise this, in their tiny little minds?
ICH says
Don’t drag Jesus into your evil religion debate .
The fruits of Islam are evident in the person who was Muhammed.
Its like saying peace be upon you Hitler ( poobuh )
Even if the world became %100 Muzzie then what?
Then its lets kill each other all over again.
ISLAM is a curse end of story.
concerned canadian says
I am fine with people whitewashing the Quran,
I dont care if they are worshipping a head of lettuce.
If it takes mass hypnotism to make these people behave
like human beings so be it.
In the end its still them worshipping a head of lettuce.
But the truth is we all know……..this is just nonsense.
The problem is too big for us to solve.
Like feeding a wild rat and hoping it does not bite.
S Barkat says
Muhammed miracle: PEMERHATI DUNIA 3 years ago
Apostle’s greatest miracle was not the Quran. It was his capacity for lovemaking. and violence Allah had given him libido of 30 men. Bukhari,Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268 : Prophet was given the strength (sexual) of thirty men !!!. Apostle could make love (continuously) to all his wives (9 to 11) in one night.
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Look also Sahih Muslim 34424 (the same case of sex with dead aunt) Commentary of Imam Al-Nawawi on the Hadith Sahih Muslim: Book 003, Number 0684
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad’s own martial legacy beheading 600 Jews in one day, gorging the eyes of the prisoners – and that of his companions – along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
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Abu Dawud is one of the most respected, the third respected one. Others are also respected books, also there are other hadiths saying that. if you are looking for the truth from scholars, muftis and imams u will surely never know the truth,they are liars.,especially islamic ones. you have to investigate yourself and look for the truth yourself and be honest. God is not God of lies but God of the truth
BC says
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction
Blaise Pascal. 17th century French philosopher
stevo k says
wheres the video? cant be fucked reading the text!
Badbob says
Muslims acting out what Mohammed did and said in the Koran are being observant
Muslims….what others call terrorist,muslims see as disciples..this simple truth…is somewhat disturbing as it will only escalate..
Angemon says
Basically, the self-professed, unaltered, perfectly word of allah that has no contradictions whatsoever requires homework in order to make heads or tails of it.
Doesn’t really bode well, does it?
Huh, so what? Who are devout muslims going to trust – muhammad or allah?
quran 2:216
Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.
sidney penny says
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/moderate-boston-imam-suhaib-webb-hirsi-ali-idiot-secularism-lunatic-ideology
Imam Suhaib Webb of the Islamic Society of Boston has a sign in front of him that says “Islamic Society of America.” and also in Arabic.
Why?
Is English not the main language in America?
What about Muslims who are speak Arabic?
What about Muslims who do not read and write Arabic?
Are they excluded from Islamic Society of America?
pakundo says
Sadly, the “Untied” States does not have an official language, which, if it did, would be English. Most Muslims do not speak Arabic now. According to Arab Muslims, those who do not speak Arabic are considered a lower class of Muslim. There are hierarchies within Arab Muslims as well, divided by tribe and clan. Since Muhammad was from the Hashim clan of the Kuresh tribe, so those Muslims consider themselves better than all the rest. ISNA is a Muslim Brotherhood front organization that provides cover for the ultimate Islamic goal of overthrowing the US government and establishing a caliphate under Sharia.
duh_swami says
If the Quran doesn’t mean what it says, then Allah is not God…No surprise there…A Quran only Muslim told me that only thge Arabic is authentic because of the many translation errors. So alll English translations are faulty and incomplete. I asked him what I should so with my inaccurate Quran…he said I should take it to the nearest mosque and give it to the Imam…
pakundo says
Muslims tell ignorant Kuffar that only an Arab Muslim can truly understand the Koran to give themselves wiggle room when they wage Jihad. The fact is that Sharia is pretty cut and dry, no matter what the language. What part of “kill the Kuffar” is misunderstood?