A savvy investigator, hearing that, would start to investigate what they were praying and how those prayers may have affected their decision to murder Infidels in Paris. That line of inquiry could shed a great deal of light on jihadis’ motives, goals and future plans. But it is closed off to investigators: willful ignorance is official policy in every Western country.
“Paris Attack Suspects Changed When They ‘Stopped Drinking and Started Praying,’ Brother Says,” by Louise Dewast and Emily Shapiro, ABC News, November 22, 2015 (thanks to John):
Two brothers suspected of being involved in the Paris terror attacks that killed 130 people began to change roughly six months before when they “stopped drinking and started praying,” their brother told Belgian broadcasting network RTBF.
Mohamed Abdeslam told RTBF he saw his brothers Salah, a fugitive, and Brahim, a suicide bomber who officials said died on Boulevard Voltaire, two or three days before they left. He said the pair told their mother they were going skiing sometime before the attacks in Paris last Friday.
“I didn’t notice anything. There were no goodbyes,” said Mohamed Abdeslam.
He said his brothers “started changing maybe six months ago.”
“[They] stopped drinking and started praying, but nothing to suggest they had been radicalized,” Abdeslam said. “I believe they were manipulated more than radicalized.”
Police have issued an arrest warrant for Salah Abdeslam, 26, who authorities said left Paris after the attacks and returned to his hometown in the Brussels area. He has been described as armed and dangerous.
Two of Salah’s friends, who spoke to ABC News on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the situation, said Salah called them Tuesday evening and said he was in hiding in the Brussels area but was desperately trying to get to ISIS territory in Syria….

Charli Main says
Their inherent Islamo-Rabies virus was probably activated at their local mosque.
mortimer says
The ‘virus’ of JIHAD is administered through ISLAMIC PRAYERS, ISLAMIC SERMONS and ISLAMIC STUDY groups in which the SOURCE TEXTS are read and explained according to the authentic, authoritative, canonical commentaries and fatwas.
The ‘virus’ of Islam consists of an irrational hatred of everything un-Islamic, of anyone who questions, tests, examines or discusses the problems within Islam, and of any Muslim who discovers the fraud of Islam.
In other words, ISLAM is the method of creating a mindless zombie killer.
Charli Main says
A flawless summation. 100 % on target.!!!!!!!
revereridesagain says
Exactly why several of us in my anti-jihad email “community” have taken up watching “The Walking Dead” as therapy!
Jay Boo says
We have been told not to worry about the onslaught of Syrian ‘Refugees’ yet can we trust a government and MSM that constantly denies Islam’s inherent propensity toward jihad attacks?
Even if every single refugee is not currently an active terrorist, they are likely to be attending mosque and praying on a regular basis.
Dr. Divinity says
If praying causes muslims to turn to jihad with all those butts turned up all over the world we sure are in wtrouble. But praying to Satan??????
sdswdjf says
Pleasure gives rise to guilt and shame in weak minds.
Islam prohibits almost every pleasure.
If a supernatural belief prevents a person from indulging in pleasures, then this belief also relieves this person of the guilt.
And when the person is relieved of his guilt and shame because of this belief, his conviction that this belief is ‘genuine’ is consolidated. This re-inforces the validity of this belief in the person’s mind on a constant basis.
He feels ‘pure’, clean about himself as a result, while those who indulge in pleasure, appear ‘filthy’, dirty to him.
Compounding this phenomenon is the islamic prayer gestures. While a muslim is engaged in pretentious bodily movements and gestures of the islamic prayer, his brain is subjected to a trance like state, which resonates with his desire to believe in a god, thereby again re-inforcing the notion that this belief is genuine, and is making him a better human being with each prayer.
A particular part of the human brain plays a critical role in this phenomenon. This part gives rise to a thirst for supernatural connection, which is quenched by islam, and hence manipulates and motivates the person psychologically toward believing in islam.
This feel good factor acts as the psychological impetus behind him being attached to islam. He now clings on to islam, because islam makes him feel better about himself
Hence this person is motivated to keep practicing Islam, continue being delusional and keep following the imaginary allah. Even kill in his name.
This is the secret behind the success of islam.
Jay Boo says
One other secret is the Quran’s window dressing statement before its chapters.
” In The Name of Allah, The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful”
When a naked passage is without this dressing, the Qur’an is forced into confessing.
Davegreybeard says
@sdswdjf
“Islam prohibits almost every pleasure.”
I would agree with most of your post, except to note that Islam prohibits every “normal” kind of pleasure.
The pleasure of killing, torturing, raping, are all just hunky-dory with Allah and can be indulged in wantonly and totally guilt free. I believe this is also part of the attraction of Islam.
Very insightful post, sdswdjf.
revereridesagain says
One of the finest summations of the psychological phenomenon I have ever read. Many years ago while doing research and investigation of cults, I saw this played out in connection with an endless array of belief systems from the culturally “mainstream” forms of religion to the most outlandishly bizarre. But seldom with the violent fanaticism of the Islamic true believer. Thank you, sdswdjf, for this insightful post.
Dr. Divinity says
@ Sdswdjf and others…people…I have said it before and here it is again…..FEAR is Islam’s most powerful tool!!!
“Frar is the catalyst that fuels Islam and the koran is the vehicle that drives it.”
Dr. Divinity says
……Correction. FEAR not Far……..
epistemology says
I just heard that on CNN. The brother said they were radicalized by the internet. So they used to be normal guys having a drink once in a while, behaving the normal Western way.
Whenever people suddenly discover their religion, start to pray and read a lot about the messages of their religion they became peaceful and better people. But Islam is the opposite, it intoxicates more than drinking, it turns its adherents to terrorist monsters.
John spielman says
That is because Allah is Satan and muhammed was a demon possessed mass murderer thief liar midogynist and pedophile pervert. A radical Muslim behaves like muhammed and obeys the Quran and hadiths
While a”radical” Christian is someone who emulates Jesus Christ, like Mother Theresa or Franklin Graham
Michael Copeland says
Mother Teresa was a radical extremist.
Zammana says
Yes, but in a good way…
revereridesagain says
Except for a tendency to denounce and condemn to everlasting hellfire friends and loved ones who don’t share their newfound piety. Fanaticism poisons everything.
Jack Diamond says
Yes, they started taking their religion seriously…
It was even said of the ringleader, Abu Oud, who was already well-known as an Islamic State leader. His sister, back in January told the NY Times that he and his brother (the little brother he recruited) had shown no interest in religion or even attended mosque. In keeping with this notion ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, bad Muslims join ISIS not pious ones, this “not in my name” story. The reality is anyone coming to the Islamic State has to undergo rigorous study of Islam and shari’a. The study can run from a few weeks to a year depending on the assessment. They study Tawhid monotheism and bida’a innovation and al wala wal baraa. Quintessential Islam. They learn Arabic if they don’t already speak it. Shari’a orientation is mixed with military training. Even when they graduate they are under strict supervision. But you won’t hear that mentioned because there is nothing Islamic about the Islamic State or the motivations of their followers.
Myxlplik says
Yeah, I guess when you lean about Mohammed’s murderous rampage in the Arabian peninsula you come to a deeper understanding about about Islam… Er I mean you become “radical”.
wildjew says
Paris jihad mass murderers changed when they “stopped drinking and started praying”
Another good reason not to give up on wine.
Joseph says
The old saying goes “I’d rather have a bottle if front of me than a frontal lobotomy”.
Jay Boo says
water to wine
— Jesus’s first miracle.
Mo offered his followers sex slaves.
Rich says
I might start killing people if I had to stop drinking too;)
TheDane says
Instead of using the term ‘radicalized’, it is more accurate to use the term “demon-possessed”. That is what happens, when people start praying to the demon… That is why they laugh whilst killing! It is beyond ‘natural’ for humanbeings.
Davegreybeard says
@TheDane
“That is why they laugh whilst killing! It is beyond ‘natural’ for humanbeings.”
Not so, Dane.
Human beings have been killing and torturing throughout the ages and multitudes have laughed uproariously while doing so. History proves that this behavior is very much a part of our human nature. It is one of the reasons why Islam is so successful.
We have both a “good” nature and an “evil” nature. Islam appeals to our “evil” nature.
Jay Boo says
“We have both a “good” nature and an “evil” nature. Islam appeals to our “evil” nature.”
———————
Very true Davegreybeard
Furthermore, at its core, Islam is not even a religion.
Islam is an excuse
Sociopaths like Muhammad are unaccountable.
They always seek a pathetic excuse like Islam.
gravenimage says
I agree, Dave and Jay Boo. Islam appeals to all that is worst in human nature.
Jay Boo says
@TheDane
Muhammad’s Misery isery loves company.
The dead Serpent of Satan called Mo was poisoned at the hands of a woman and therefore will never see Paradise even by his own words if one were to believe anything Mo said. Misery loves company and Mo (ever so low) even as he lay dying knew he had no power over future generations but rather than admit his disgrace he shamefully chose to rely instead on (Human Weakness) to temp others to follow in his despicable footsteps.
Jay Boo says
Should read — Muhammad’s Misery loves company.
Typos with cursor jumping around when I type and edit in comment box.
I will try to remember to edit in word processor instead, and then paste
Joseph says
No matter how much sugar the M.S.M. wants to heap on this piece of shit called Islam…..in the end you still have a piece of shit, with sugar on it.
I wonder how much money the rich elite plan on making upon the graves of innocent people?
I wonder how much power they also plan on getting?
Myxlplik says
The MSM, uses phrases like “radical Islam” to describe the murderous impulses of Muslims. I guess when Mohammed was committing genocide filling pits with dead bodies, killing those who satirized him, and engaging in sex slavery he was “sugar” coating Islam too.
Asian Crusader says
The first MSM lie is still referring to Islamic State by its former name ISIL or ISIS.
IS stopped using the limiting terms Iraq and al-Sham (greater Syria) in June 2014. It recently shot down a Russian airliner in Sharm-el-Sheikh in Egypt, far away even from the greatest conception of “Syria.”
Note that Wikipedia has laboriously created an article about “islamic state” (without caps) as a supposed general term for a concept of islamic administration. In fact, of course, the editors are simply following talking points from Barry’s sorority.
gravenimage says
Paris jihad mass murderers changed when they “stopped drinking and started praying”
……………………………….
If you had no other information and heard that about a person of another faith, you would probably assume it was a good thing–that someone was going to stop partying so much and take their responsibilities more seriously, or even that they were going to address a harmful addiction.
Not so with Islam. With Islam you know you’d better alert Homeland Security, instead…
Angemon says
They became more observant of their religion – the Religion of Peace, you know – and concluded that they were to kill unbelievers? What could this possibly mean?
mortimer says
Mohamed Abdeslam said, “…nothing to suggest they had been radicalized…I believe they were manipulated more than radicalized.”
VICTIMS!!! Muslims are ALWAYS victims…aren’t they?
But this time, they were victims of Islam…weren’t they?
mortimer says
Mohamed Abdeslam says he (a Muslim) can detect signs of ‘radicalization’? Then how would anyone else detect ‘radicalization’?
TAQIYYA is the doctrine that Muslims should conceal jihad…isn’t it?
Dhimmiwit says
He can’t have been praying to You Know Who because we all know it has nothing to do with You Know What, so I wonder who it was that he started praying to that gave him the idea that mass murder is a virtuous act…..must be Buddha.
Paul says
So, in other words, once they started to take the Religion of Peace
more seriously they presumably misunderstood it and became murderous
fanatics. What were the odds? I have an unsettling feeling that we’ll
see quite a lot of other accidents like this in the future.
abad says
Must be the Islamic prayers that make them so dead-eyed like the guy in the photo.
Scary.
Paul says
This is not coincidental. I’ve noticed that people who leave islam always
seem to have a real spark of humanity and friendliness in their eyes,
whereas converts (as well as nominal muslims who become more devout)
always seem to have an inhuman and soulless look. The eyes are indeed the
windows to the soul, or lack of it in some cases.
Jay Boo says
Most converts last about two years then leave the beast of the East.
jewdog says
Going cold turkey on alcohol can result in the D.J.s: Delirium Jihadism.
Jay Boo says
Carpet-kissing frenzy to the point of Head-Bumping can result in the D.J.s as well.
Wellington says
What an indictment of Islam. Few better could be found, i.e., that Muslims are far less of a threat to world order when they drink as opposed to when they pray. Can’t make this up.
TheBuffster says
I’ve read a heap of testimonies by Muslim apostates. In some of the ones coming from recent former Muslims they mention how the fear of hell still lingers, even though they don’t believe in the religion anymore. Some don’t even believe in a god anymore. But the terror of Hell has become such a life-long habit, ingrained since childhood, that they experience moments of panic – the terror of facing an eternity of horrific tortures for having left Islam – even if they have lost all conscious belief in the supernatural and, rationally, know that Islam is false.
So imagine what that means for people who believe literally in Islam’s threats of hell, and who get to know their religion well enough to know that the only way to avoid hell for certain is to engage in jihad against the unbelievers. Imagine what it means to a person who hasn’t taken his religion entirely seriously, who’s been a naughty boy or girl, and then finds the superstitious fear growing.
If you’re a Christian who’s been naughty, you repent, stop doing the sin, pray and turn it over to Jesus. You might also throw in some benevolent works, but you would never believe that you’d be assured of a ticket straight to Heaven by doing mass murder of unbelievers in the name of God. You’d KNOW that would take you straight to hell. Talk about *blasphemy*!
But the terror of hell, experienced since childhood, plus the discovery that jihad is the only way to assure escape from that fate, is a recipe for the nightmares we’re facing today. More than a desire for 72 virgins or any delights of Paradise, I believe the terror of Hell is what motivates these killers most powerfully.
Imagine that. Being driven to commit mass murder out of one’s terror that if one doesn’t, one will go to Hell.
Mike says
I’m convinced that the lack of drinking among Islamics is a part of the problem.
Many of these crazies, if they had another religion instead, would just drink themselves silly.
duh+swami says
Drinking dulls the mind, and ruins a prayer… When a drinker stops drinking and gets religion, it’s like a stretched rubber band snapping. I have seen it before…a drunken louse suddenly gets religion and within two weeks is into the religious supremacy bigotry, and ‘holier than thou’ mode. If you don’t believe that, ask Hillary,,her rubber band has snapped numerous times, and is about to snap again..
Vagabondo says
Retired and I really enjoyed reading your discussion. Nowhere was the importance or present position of women in Islam mentioned??
Muslim Toe says
Every day we delay our power slips away. Even the lowest Muslim must feel quite posh when he sees so much target practice everywhere at his disposal. Almost free virgins.
Paul Yancey says
I am convinced that Islam is the religion that Satan raised up to combat Christianity.
peter1589 says
Isaias Chapter 10
Woe to the makers of wicked laws. The Assyrian shall be a rod for punishing Israel: but for their pride they shall be destroyed: and a remnant of Israel saved.
10:1. Woe to them that make wicked laws: and when they write, write injustice:
10:2. To oppress the poor in judgment, and do violence to the cause of the humble of my people: that widows might be their prey, and that they might rob the fatherless.
10:3. What will you do in the day of visitation, and of the calamity which cometh from afar? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?
10:4. That you be not bowed down under the bond, and fall with the slain? In all these things his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
10:5. Woe to the Assyrian, he is the rod and the staff of my anger, and my indignation is in their hands.
10:6. I will send him to a deceitful nation, and I will give him a charge against the people of my wrath, to take away the spoils, and to lay hold on the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
10:7. But he shall not take it so, and his heart shall not think so: but his heart shall be set to destroy, and to cut off nations not a few.
Get it?
Andrew H. says
Find their mullah or spiritual adviser. Shoot him when he is trying to grab the policeman’s gun.