This report says: “France 24 reports that gunmen at the heavy metal concert by Eagles of Death Metal at the Bataclan concert hall have opened fire on the audience. It says the hall holds some 1,500 people. Benjamin Cazenove, injured and trapped in the theater, says gunmen are killing people ‘one by one,’ France 24 reports, citing a Facebook post. ‘It is a scene of carnage,’ he says. There are still some 60-100 people inside, the TV report says.”
“Paris Police Launch Assault On Concert Hall,” SkyNews, November 13, 2015:
Police have launched an assault on the Bataclan concert hall in central Paris where at least 100 hostages are being held….
Earlier, police officials said at least 15 people had been killed inside the building in the 11th arrondissement.
Two armed men are believed to be inside, according to unconfirmed reports.

Roger says
I’m so angry right now, Disgusted and saddened but not shocked. We all knew this was coming and we know this will only get worse.
Hope the security forces are alright and no more kids have been killed.
Fk socialism and liberalism, they are to blame for this.
Jupe77 says
Yeah, me too. More pissed off than anything else.
Arn says
No need to be pissed off as this is simply business as usual and happening on a daily basis in muslim countries.(most killing are and will never be reported in
muslim papers as muslim journalists-editors/anchors and magazin owners are too busy
proecting islam from bad PR)
It is the norm in Nigeria,this is how muslim cleansed Pakistan
and would be everyday life in the part of china where uigurs live.
And the good muslims?What will they do(except some positive PR talk for the dumb dhimmi)
They will feel Sorry for Allah,as Allah will have to do a lot of work.
Creating 72 huri virgins for every single killed muslim mass murderer(if you can not kill anymore because you are in heaven,rape is the only option) will keep him extemly busy for the next day.
Poor,poor allah -so much trouble with rewarding people for doing gods work.
pdxnag says
The death toll will be in the millions before Islam either seizes Europe for the next couple centuries or every last Muslim is either killed or expelled from Europe.
dlbrand says
pdxnag said: “The death toll will be in the millions before Islam either seizes Europe for the next couple centuries or every last Muslim is either killed or expelled from Europe.”
Indeed, Here follows, for those with ears to hear, as it were the clear tactic message from IS via these hits:
Only fools fail to hear, understand, and regard that clear tacit IS declaration.
SAM says
Yes
Christianblood says
If there is any trace of common sense left in their hearts, the French, the Americans and other Westerners should immediately stop backing islamic jihadists they are backing in Syria and instead give their full support to the Syrian Army which is the only force that can annihilate isis and all the other barbaric islamic jihadists in Syria.
Don McKellar says
You… and Putin are actually right.
In the completely fucked up ass-backwards PC world in which we are living, even a power-mad Russian dictator can emerge as the voice of reason once in awhile. And he has…
Christianblood says
Good point!
dragaozao says
You are so right! What kind of world are we living in when Russian dictator an ex-KGB becames a light of hope!!!
Westman says
147 already confirmed dead. The leaders of Europe should be ashamed to have an unarmed populace, that they once gave to Hitler and now to terrorists. They totally ignored all the warnings given to them by realists while they smoked their pot and sang Kumbaya.
Hey dummy leaders this IS real Islam.
mortimer says
Westman wrote: “dummy leaders”
They are dummies in the matter of the JIHAD DOCTRINE which they are refusing to learn.
There is an urgent need to teach the general public the jihad doctrine which is the source of all the troubles caused by Islam.
Western politicians need urgently to learn the jihad doctrine.
Westman says
Amen, Mortimer.
There is no excuse for leaders to lazily take the word of Islam’s apologists. Europe has picked up a hitch hiker that intends to kill them and confiscate the car. Yet their leaders are smoking the pot, drinking the cool aid, and singing Kumbaya as they go down the highway to their destruction.
dlbrand says
Westman said: “Europe has picked up a hitch hiker that intends to kill them and confiscate the car. Yet their leaders are smoking the pot, drinking the cool aid, and singing Kumbaya as they go down the highway to their destruction.”
Indeed, Westman. Well stated.
Damn good thing, here, in the U.S, we have no such “hitch-hikers”; we’ve plenty of dope, cool-aid and Kumbaya singers; just, thankfully, as stated, no such “hitch-hikers”… do we?
Saleem Smith says
The massacre at the rock concert earlier today in Paris, France was most likely the work of devout Muslims killing for Islam and the Islamic state and Sharia.
Islamic legend says that when the first beheaded infidel head came rolling to Mohammed’s feet, a huge smile crossed his face. If Moe ever existed he is happy in his grave tonight. Jihad warfare is part and parcel of the Islamic creed and the jihadis are following the the instructions clearly laid out in the Qur’an and Mohammed’s Sunnah and formalized in Islamic law.
We ex-Muslims’s living with Islam’s formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know that Mohammedanism is a deadly fraud.
Islam is no “religion of peace.” Islam is primarily a religion of “injustice, intolerance, hatred, and violence.” The fact is, if we non-Muslims were to say about Muslims what the Qur’an says about us, we would be arrested for hate speech. The Qur’an largely preaches discrimination, death, and imposition of its dogma on everyone. Certainly some Muslims will be offended by such statements, but frankly, so what? Judaism and Christianity, the world’s two other major monotheistic religions, have had to face the harshest of scrutiny and criticism for several hundred years which continues to this day. Islam must not be granted any special privileges or be exempt from such treatment – the implications are of tremendous importance.
Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:
“One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur’an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way…
The statement continues,
Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.”
voegelinian says
What disgusts me are the deniers — in the mainstream and in the Counter-Jihad.
Mo says
Oh, dear God, I didn’t realize it was still full in progress! Those poor people. How terrifying!
Christianblood says
Christians in the M.E. and in the wider islamic world experience this kind of massacres in the hands of islamic jihadists every week and yet Americans and other Westerners are backing and arming these very jihadist killers and that is what many Christians in the M.E, and beyond CANNOT understand!
Champ says
Oh, dear God, I didn’t realize it was still full in progress! Those poor people. How terrifying!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Indeed, Mo.
Billy Wright says
Look out for reports of the “heroism of Muslim police officers” tonight.
Katowice says
And the stories about the “real victims”: the poor Muslims in the West who’ll encounter such awful Islamophobia.
Christopher H says
Gaaah! I hoped they would wake up without such horror. Agree I’m more angry than anything else, may the politicians resposible for all this spend the rest of their lives in prison forEVER – at the Least!
Katowice says
They’re already wasting air time speculating about the safety of the disgrace in Calais.
Miao Zedong says
…and fear of anti-muslim reprisals…
Christianblood says
You are so right! Great observation!!!
Christianblood says
Billy Wright posted: “…Look out for reports of the “heroism of Muslim police officers” tonight…”
You are so right! Great observation!!!
PRCS says
It appears that most of the hostages were killed.
Fred says
Right now I dislike Liberals more than Islam because they are to blame
EYESOPEN says
Yep. The so-called “progressives” invited this to happen. A bloody pox on all of them! I wonder how many brain-dead Germans, Swedes, French, etc. will be holding up their “Refugees Welcome” signs now?
Katowice says
That will continue until they’re regularly targets themselves. The current supremacist activity against them is too sparse and excusable at the moment.
Imagine for a moment being one of these Hijra invaders. You’ve been inculcated with Sharia and Islamic supremacy your entire life. It’s axiomatic that the wealth and women of the infidel is yours for the plunder. And the first thing waiting for you upon forcing yourself onto the infrastructure of your new domain: obsequious fools doing everything but bowing to you. Everything’s free. You’re skipping to the front of the line at the detriment of truly impoverished citizens who’ve spent their lives paying into the system. It’s heaven on earth. Now, fast forward a few months. You’ve been given tens of thousands of Euro as a reward for violating laws and disrespecting culture. Maybe you’ve learned the language, or at least enough to follow the media reports after the latest Jihadi attack. Picture your sheer delight at how every presenter and commentator bends over backwards harder than the last to apologise for the attackers and wag their fingers at their countrymen for having the audacity to continue existing. Why would you ever walk back from your ingrained viewpoint? Why would you concede an inch? You’d be mad. No, you’ll be empowered to maraud openly if you’re not already.
Let’s see what happens in the next few months’ worth of “Refugees Welcome” parties. Not a scene I’d want to frequent.
Christianblood says
You are right! Liberal secular humanists are worse than islamists!
Emilie Green says
The French didn’t want to learn about Islam when the tuition cost was lower. Now that the tuition is considerably greater, will they, and the rest of the world, learn what Islam is all about?
Life’s a tough teacher. You get the tests first. Then you get the lessons.
John says
I suppose the French gesture of appeasement, i.e. to stop drawing and publishing further Mohammed cartoons, really has paid off, hasn’t it?
I’m waiting to see which Western groups or individuals the MSM and liberal politicians will blame for these attacks, because they sure as hell won’t blame this on Islam.
Ricardo Moriya says
To hell with islam!
Sam says
Yes and to hell with disgusting Islam enabling liberals (meaning socialists, communists progressives namely f*** idiots)
Lets see how the bastards will come to the rescue of CAIR instead of telling the truth about Islam.
EYESOPEN says
Count on it…
Baucent says
This is an outrage! I’ve just read on the BBC that 100 people are believed killed at the Concert hall. Of course on the BBC no mention of Islam or muslims.
Clearly a well organized and co-ordinated attack on the football stadium and restaurants, will it wake up Europe? Germany and Sweden, this is your future for opening your doors to Islam.
Nathan says
The BBC are lost. They are selling a multiculty leftist dream of hand-holding and cum-by-ah, while people are being slaughtered and raped across the world by islamic scum.
I watch Russia Today for a more balanced view of the world…..
gravenimage says
Paris police launch assault on concert hall where Muslims are murdering hostages
……………………………
The siege is now over, but AFP and one of the major French news stations (sorry–did not the get name, was watching CNN) say that there are up to *one hundred* dead at the concert hall, in addition to the forty victims reported dead elsewhere,
Christianblood says
gravenimage
Forget about 100, Tens of thousands of Christians are being murdered each year by muslim fascists killers backed by America, France and other Western countries in M.E. and beyond.Westerners really deserve to taste, big time, how poisonous and bitter are the islamic jihadist monsters they keep backing and arming every where in the world.
gravenimage says
How “nice” to see “Christianblood” gloating over the French victims’ deaths. *Ugh*. This does not surprise, though.
Monica says
Christianblood is definitely a covert Muslim troll. Ignore.
Ernie says
Reminds me of “Justin ” sometime ago . As a matter of fact , I think it’s the same person .
Ex-muslim says
Monica & gravenimage
C.B. is 100% right. 100.000 of Christians are being murdered each by the followers of islam and people in the West and their governments are either ignoring this religious genocide or they are aiding and abetting the followers to continue this murderous persecution. I don’t know why you keep denying the facts and being offended by the Truth. Your denials of the truth and your name calling to C.B. and others like him are just as hurtful as the swords of the islamic persecuters.
Ernie says
So does Russia , by aiding Iran .
Angemon says
Billy Wright posted:
“Look out for reports of the “heroism of Muslim police officers” tonight.”
Katowice posted:
“And the stories about the “real victims”: the poor Muslims in the West who’ll encounter such awful Islamophobia.”
Sounds about right…
Sam says
Islam is my enemy but I am more angry at blind f**** liberals. If I hear another religion of peace I will smack him/her.
PRCS says
Yes, no doubt, Muslims in Western nations will be sure to play the “backlash” card.
And, as usual, CAIR has condemned the “terror” attacks–but not the Ideology driving it.
http://www.cair.com/press-center/press-releases.html
EYESOPEN says
Of course. And don’t forget that dose of taqiyya.
Sam Hawkins says
“Will the life of Muslims become more difficult now?”
SECOND time in less than an hour that the asshole radio reporter on Deutschlandfunk news radio has asked someone this question on air.
Number of times that he asked the question, “Will OUR LIFE become more difficult due to Muslim terrorism now?” : ZERO
Baucent says
Yes, those sickening “muslim backlash” stories that BBC and others will trot out. “Mrs Fatima is scared to ride on the bus now as people say she is a terrorist”
Then there will be the academics in studio interviews saying all this focus “radicalization” has left muslims feeling harassed and detached from society.
Baucent says
So what was the motive? If it is ISIS then this is probably a declaration of war. A major attack on France that is designed to provoke a response. If you look at their jihadi ideology they firmly believe the Crusader armies will meet them in a final armagedon type battle in Syria. They may well be trying to force the hand of politicians in the West to commit ground troops, for a final show down.
CogitoErgoSum says
That will be a final showdown they will lose.
voegelinian says
Muslims declared war on us 1400 years ago, through their Best Model of Conduct, Mohammed.
Jeremiah says
This is the trigger. It is unlikely that Europeans will take this any longer.
Back in America. Watch your guns. Join your neighborhood watch. Get ready.
Sam Hawkins says
Jeremiah, most Euros are wussified. Perhaps after the childless commie pinko socialist liberals have died off, the remnant will start taking back their continent. But by then there will be numerical equality between them and the Muslims.
KrazyKafir says
All the dhimmi stooges are, “shocked”. Anyone who has a clue, is not shocked.
Westman says
True. We heard all the warnings and read the ideology of Islam. We’re not surprised, we are angry that the dhimmy-dummy leaders swallow the BS and are getting people killed with their lazy ignorance.
This no religion of peace and IT NEVER WAS!!!
Our own POTUS is contaminated by experience with a watered-down inauthentic Islam as a youth. His vision of Islam is a danger to us all.
Europe has picked up a hitch hiker that intends to kill them and confiscate the car, but their leaders are stupidly singing Kumbaya as they ride down the road.
Captain says
How can this happen the EU just voted to Sanction Israel with Boycotting it, Ireland loves Muslims and hates Jews all the EU leaders are pushing to establish another jihadist state in palastein. I guess they just have not done enough. Maybe the can bomb Tel Aviv and the all Muslim jihadist will be busy killing Jews and leave the EU alone for a while. Maybe?
nacazo says
At least we know for sure where our president will stand in all this.
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
— Obama
Myxlplik says
Holy insult to injury Batman, Imam Obama just paraphrased Quran 5:32 in his condolence speech to France …
*puke* guess the French with all that “mischief” aren’t so innocent in quranic terms Imam Obama.
gravenimage says
Yes–I heard that–the reference to “all of humanity”. Of course, that Qur’anic passage is meant to sneer at and threaten Jews, not condemn Jihad slaughter.
kessler says
120+ executed in the concert hall alone.
Yes, we knew this was coming even before the open door immigration policy. I really am starting to abandon any hope for Europe. As Robert said, we are now once again going to witness a cringe-worthy avalanche of statements unlinking islam from terrorism while waiting for the illusive “backlash against muslims”. Nobody learns, nobody listens. Those who speak the truth will continue to be dismissed as racists. We are going down with alarming speed. If it wasn’t for the people I love/my two kids and all the people fighting for our freedom, I would say the end of our free society is well-deserved for this staggering stupidity.
Sorry for not being optimistic at the moment.
EYESOPEN says
Can’t much blame you. But just remember, Almighty God is NOT absent/asleep or what have you. He is biding His time, as He would prefer that none are lost to Satan. However, we cannot know the date or time when He declares that enough is enough. I still have faith in Him, even though I cannot hope to comprehend either his methods or His timetable.
dlbrand says
No need to be sorry for speaking truth. I pray for your two kids.
Baucent says
I just watched ten minutes of a BBC news report. No mention of Islam or muslims and no speculation on motive. The anchor woman began her report say “dozens believed killed as French police storm concert seige”, a reporter on scene had to correct her to say there is no suggestion most of the deaths occurred when the Police arrived, in fact French news services were saying the attackers opened fired with automatic weapons into the crowd and had time to reload.And the shooting went on for several minutes. But isn’t it typical of the liberal media to try and swing the blame for the deaths onto the Police.
Budvarakbar says
I turned on news here in US about 1 and 2-1/2 hours ago — both times almost instantly turned the tv off — first was raising the question – was this AQ or ISIS? Second was a short puff piece w/o real info then a cut to the bastard in the WH!
The Voice of Reason says
Look, it’s time that the civilized world faces facts. The radical Muslims have one objective and one objective only and that is the destruction of who we are and what we value. We are the antithesis of what they value and believe. The Euopeans are complicit in their own destruction. By accepting all of these migrants they are only accelerating their own demise. Yes, you can say it’s the humanitarian thing to do but in the long term you are committing suicide. These migrants will never assimilate, they will take advantage of all the social programs offered to them. By not assilmating they will then feel disenfranchised and become angry and turn that anger against the very country that took them in. I don’t know what the answer is but if I were in charge the borders would be closed and deportation would begin.
SIngh the SIkh says
Blame lies squarely with successive French governments who imported this scourge and exposed citizens to the carnage and danger, stubbornly ignoring the blatant warning signs, including ongoing carnage in the Middle East. Poor Germany is next. Credit goes to merkel. Then Canada, even Australia as all failing to heed the obvious warnings.
Doesy Yourminkrybite says
Don’t forget the US, UK and pretty much everywhere even one Muslim lives. It’s in the degenerate naroK (read from right to left.). Comprendo?
Budvarakbar says
You left out the real prize – the US!
Abu Al-Dente says
I expected attacks of this kind to happen as the French intelligence themselves admitted to not being able to thwart all the terrorist attacks being planned on french soil, and yet I am still angry over the fact that these jihadist beasts deliberately targeted civilians and massacred them.
If ISIS is proven to be behind this, action must be taken immediately. Close the mosques, carpet bomb or nuke all ISIS places instead of just carrying out surgical strike.
We’re in war, you go all out or you lose. We won’t wait any longer.
Budvarakbar says
“If ISIS is proven to be behind this, ”
Get your head out of your a$$ — they are ALL guilty — read the dam putrid koran — get on you-tube and watch Ann Barnhardt’s koran burning video — start catching on!
dumbledoresarmy says
Time for the French army, police and special forces to start surprise-raiding and searching EVERY KNOWN MOSQUE IN FRANCE.
Start with those in Paris, and in all major towns. **Use the army**. Call in every man in the army reserves or equivalent, if necessary. If necessary, sign up **non-Muslim** able-bodied citizens to assist. Massive display of overwhelming force.
Use every K-9 unit they’ve got and sniff them from attic to basement. Traces of drugs? cadavers? explosives? Arms cache? – even *just one* rifle, gun, knife, you-name it…Shut the damn place down, then …raze it to the ground, never to be rebuilt. Use dynamite.
If the mohammedans riot: treat it as *war* and use overwhelming force.
Time to take back the banlieues.
EYESOPEN says
Right on Dumbles! Sounds like an intelligent plan to me.
Westman says
I agree. In addition, when it is known which Mosques these animals attended they should be razed, regardless.
Budvarakbar says
half the French army are probably eff’n moo-slimes
gravenimage says
I hope they take your advice.
voegelinian says
dda might want to run that by Angemon, who wants us to be very careful about random searches of mosques. Oh, and Mirriam too.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Angemon, who wants us to be very careful about random searches of mosques. Oh, and Mirriam too.”
Where did I or Mirren said, voegelinian? Oh, wait, it’s just your propaganda machine working at full steam – when you can’t rebut what someone says just go around lying about what they said. In other words, just you being your despicable self.
kessler says
Hollande just said the following:
“To all those who have seen these awful things, I want to say we are going to lead a war which will be pitiless.
Because when terrorists are capable of committing such atrocities they must be certain that they are facing a determined France, a united France, a France that is together and does not let itself be moved, even if today we express infinite sorrow”
Strong words. I’m assuming this includes a domestic war on terrorism with little pity for those who repeatedly draw the victim card whenever their religion is in the spotlight.
If he simply refers to more military strength in Syria/Iraq – good luck. It’s obviously not going to prevent further attacks on French civilians. on the contrary.
voegelinian says
Hollande is a pusillanimous, PC MC idiot using tough words to look good as a politician. It’s easy to be all tough against a Tiny Minority of Extremists who have nothing to do with Islam…
worldcitizen1919 says
Now this is a person who truly understands what needs to be done.
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/01/09/must-rethink-islam/
And here. http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/01/09/must-rethink-islam/
Our fight must be against radical Islam and we need to understand that moderate Islamist are being mass killed by radicals and make it clear in our mind who is the ‘us’ and who is the ‘them’.
For me it should be the west and moderate Islam vs extreme Islamists not all Christians against all Muslims which would involve the world in a nuclear war and what radicals are aiming for.
Their other aim is to turn Muslims against Christians for instance in France and hopefully create civil war and then through countries like Algeria, retake France.
It is very important that we get moderate Muslims to join us not the radicals. This us where we are losing because moderates are turning to ISIS instead of us. If our drones bomb weddings, mosques and hospitals we can’t expect them to join in our fight.
We need to find a way to get moderates to join us against radical Islam and at the same time not make it a war against all Muslims for if we do we’re only playing into their hands.
Bezelel says
@ worldcitizen1919 , I am going to book mark this comment because the responses you have provoked are forthcoming.
Katowice says
Do explain a “moderate” theocratic totalitarian ideology. I await quite the enthralling treatise.
Westman says
Completely wrong! There are no halfway measures with Islam. Remember Japan? Remember the religious ideology that justified suicide pilots? What wars does it justify today?
The only answer for Militant Islam is annihilation to the degree that no Muslim is ever in doubt about what will happen to him and everyone around him if he gets militant.
What you’re pushing, Worldcitizen, is exactly why Miltant Islam is on the rise; it assumes you are weak. Do you actually know the supremist ideology of Islam? There is no reasoning with Islam. Read the stories of those who left Islam and get a clue.
Budvarakbar says
“we need to understand that moderate Islamist are being mass killed by radicals”
Since when? fool!
gravenimage says
worldcitizen1919 wrote:
Our fight must be against radical Islam and we need to understand that moderate Islamist are being mass killed by radicals and make it clear in our mind who is the ‘us’ and who is the ‘them’.
For me it should be the west and moderate Islam vs extreme Islamists…
……………………….
Good luck with that, given that a majority of Muslims in the West believe in the imposition of Shari’ah law.
Admitted support for Shari’ah among Muslims in France is 65%–it is probably even larger in reality.
http://chersonandmolschky.com/2014/04/07/support-sharia-law-world/
Why do you believe that Muslims will stand with those they are taught to regard as the “filthy Infidel” against their own supremacist corelgionists?
SpiritOf1683 says
If the so-called ‘moderates’ are turning to ISIS, this proves they weren’t moderate at all from the very start. France imported this problem over 50 years ago, and we’ve been doing it ever since. What happened in paris can happen in 50 or 100 other Western European cities. It happened on a train in Madrid 12 years ago, but we learned nothing and forgot everything, and worse still, indulged in self-hatred, blaming ourselves for what happened. If we’re sorry for our own existence, then we are certainly on the way out.
MURGATROYDALS says
I suppose were a handful of the hostages to have self-defense firearms, the script would’nt’ve gone down the way it has.
Baucent says
Even armed security guards may have slowed their attack, an saved some victims.
Bezelel says
My feelings are that the people in government who allow and even encourage islamic growth in their countries are just as responsible for the murders as the jihadi’s. As many of us on JW are sickened by this, their are few to none surprised by it. Nor will I be surprised if cair starts crying backlash and hussein obola say’s it has nothing to do with islam. Someone is sure to blame the guns and bombs instead of the murderers even though none of the victims were armed. WHEN you are up to your ass in alligators it hard to remember your first objective was to drain the swamp. So now France is going to close the border. I can think of at least 158 reasons why they should have never opened it to start with.
Jay Boo says
Muslims around the world are celebrating.
Obama claims this is an attack against humanity.
As if Muslims really give a damn.
Islam and Muhammad is their example
Budvarakbar says
Obama is full of sh-t!
bobm says
France is so full of collaborators and fools… say; haven’t we heard this before?
Jay Boo says
Load your weapons.
Ring the bells
Stay calm and clear-headed.
Send the prayer mat pig bath-ers strait to hell.
Angemon says
Someone should sell landmines shaped like prayer mats. I bet prophets would go through the roof.
voegelinian says
Make sure those prayer mats don’t target Muslim “citizens” or “natives of France” or other Muslims Angemon exempts from our zero tolerance.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Make sure those prayer mats don’t target Muslim “citizens” or “natives of France” or other Muslims Angemon exempts from our zero tolerance.”
So, voeg. Where did I say to exempt muslims from anything? Oh, yeah, I didn’t. You’re just lying again because that’s all you got: going around the backs of other people and slander them.
David says
This is real Islam! Don’t let anymore into this country. And, kick the families of ISIS soldiers out.
Undaunted says
Tactically, the French Police are doing the right thing in attacking the concert hall. One prays that they don’t hesitate to shoot terrorists they see hiding behind hostages. We all should have learned from the Russians at Beslan how to handle these animals: when spotted, shoot them immediately with multiple rounds even if it means hostages are killed in the process because if terrorists are not killed immediately more hostages and other innocents will die.
Pray courage and tight shot groups for the French cops.
If you’re ever in a situation like the concert hall, run like hell and bust out of there as soon as the shooting starts, don’t wait to see what’s going on. Get out. There are no more “regular” hostage situations. Terrorists are there to kill hostages; that’s the new normal… again a Beslan lesson.
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2015/09/here-we-go-again.html
mortimer says
Undaunted wrote: “run”
Agree. Always run when someone is shooting. They will have trouble hitting a moving target! Don’t wait to be taken to a second location where you WILL BE shot or tortured at leisure.
Undaunted says
Thanks, Mortimer; nicely said. I would only tweak what you said a little: Always run when someone is shooting: run away from gunshots if you’re unarmed but run to the sound of the guns if you are armed.
More Ham Ed says
Armed AND armor (body armor). Seems that both are required nowadays. And a large caliber I might add.
Undaunted says
Large caliber equals fewer bullets. When I do my annual Black Friday stroll, I carry around 250 rounds of 9mm in hi-capacity mags. Same number of mags in larger caliber such as .40 and .45 mean fewer bullets for me. 9mm +P, such as Hornady Critical Duty do just as well if not better than the larger calibers. And, after all is said and done, it all matters where you put the round, no matter what size it is.
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2011/11/proactive-shopping.html
خَليفة says
Track down the mosques these animals went to, shut them down, destroy them, deport imams, or jail them. Do this to any affiliated mosque. The only thing thing Muslims respect is being beat down.
How would Muslims feel if someone threw some grenades in their mosque during prayer time – they would scream islamophobia and how Intolerant the west is – I bet we see no real protest by Muslims on this Paris incidents- and that is precisely why France should shut down the connected mosques. And all western countries should shut down/destroy the mosques terrorists attend – as agents if a subversive foreign political entity.
#NukeMecca
bernie says
France should regularly send undercover agents to monitor any mosques where the imams are preaching hatred; then, as you say, shut down and destroy those particular mosques, imprison the radical imams and/or permanently deport them.
voegelinian says
Yes, good advice for Muslims in combat mode. What about the larger number of Muslims in stealth mode who are just having a sandwich? That’s the broader problem nobody in the Counter Jihad seems to talk about.
Wellington says
“That’s the broader problem nobody in the Counter Jihad seems to talk about.”
I do. Many others have. I want every Muslim put on notice that we Westerners look upon them as spiritual fascists.
But the first (and hugest) step is to have Islam identified by the body politic at large as a negative. Nothing strategically can be accomplished until this is done. Even assuming everything you have said respecting how to treat with Muslims is the wisest course of action, it cannot occur UNTIL Islam is characterized as the monumental iniquity which it is, which hasn’t happened to date.
Instead of casting aspersions on those who don’t agree with you fully on how to handle Muslims in the West, why not concentrate on the most efficacious ways to convince the vast majority of those in the West, including the still overwhelmingly clueless elites, that Islam is malevolent, all of it, and it is imperative to see it as such.
You keep leaping one step ahead when you should have your feet firmly planted before any leap is attempted. I don’t know why you don’t get this. It can’t be due to a lack of intelligence. Guess it’s just one of those blind spots that even very intelligent people like yourself can be subject to.
Christianblood says
Good point!
خَليفة says
Western Governments should also declare Islam to not be a religion and not give it religious recognition in western lands – thus no special legal protections.
By destroying their mosques they will stay in Mecca-Mode ( act nicer ) – that’s how you domesticate wild animals – keep them in cages so they can’t bite you, feed then minimally so their desire to bite you is less than their desire to eat, their offspring grow up in your presence and realize you are not something to bark at, the 3rd generation can be let out of the cage and raised appreciating freedom.
This Islamic problem cannot be fixed in a day, maybe if someone would #NukeMecca it would prove to Muslims they are wrong, but they would still want revenge. The Islamic problem needs a multi-generational solution, with vigilance and drive to never let it rise again. Islam needs to be exposed and ridiculed for what it is. Muhammed has said so, so, so many stupid things, only an idiot, or a brainwashed individual, would believe it – “women make sperm in their ribs”, “one wing of a fly is poison, the other is the antidote” so just eat it.
People don’t like being ridiculed, at some point the desire not to be ridiculed will be stronger than the desire to continue to self-identify as a Muslim. Won’t work for all and that’s why government should destroy mosques and deport or imprisson certain imams.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Yes, good advice for Muslims in combat mode. What about the larger number of Muslims in stealth mode who are just having a sandwich?”
If they’re stealth, how can you tell they’re muslims at all? For all your vitriol against anyone who doesn’t take what you say as Gospel, you never explained how we’re supposed to tell who’s a muslim and who isn’t. Or do you plan to “deport” anyone who’s not a “Brown Person”?
Champ says
Angemon, apparently voeg is “done” with everyone. He posted this comment early this morning …
“I’m done with you all.”
Here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/german-nightclub-refuses-migrants-to-protect-women-from-harassment/comment-page-2#comment-1324714
If voeg is serious, then he won’t be posting anymore. I hope so.
Angemon says
Champ posted:
“Angemon, apparently voeg is “done” with everyone. He posted this comment early this morning …
“I’m done with you all.”
Here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/german-nightclub-refuses-migrants-to-protect-women-from-harassment/comment-page-2#comment-1324714
If voeg is serious, then he won’t be posting anymore. I hope so.”
Oh, no – now who’s going to lie about us and remind us of how “soft” we are?
Well, good riddance. And may he take his purse rat with him – let them have their eco-chamber festival someplace else where other people won’t criticize them or confront them with logic and facts.
Also, I apologize for the tardy response, but I’ve been having issues with notification emails for the past week or so. I emailed marc this weekend and he told me it was an issue on their end. I stumbled on your message almost by accident – I have the bad habit of letting browser tabs open, and I was closing a week’s worth of old tabs with enough time on my hands to let them fully load.
The awful truth says
Firstly open border policies across the EU don’t protect people, only politicians – they created this situation. They got rid of a repressive secular government in Libya and Iraq and they support “moderate” Muslim rebels in Syria … they and we bankroll international terrorist sponsors like Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar and Pakistan. Time to stop using ME oil and switch to electric cars pronto – you pay the Saudis every time you fill up. We don’t need Bedouin culture infiltrating our schools and prisons, the burqua/niquab has to GO! GO GO Go – we don’t live in a dessert – need to reassert our values, music, food and culture.
Undaunted says
And, please; don’t anyone call this a “siege”. This was not a siege. It was a planned, coordinated swarm attack and it was pulled off pretty well just based on body-count. More are coming to a place near you.
Why this attack is not a siege:
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2014/06/i-kid-you-not-about-the-mom-and-pop-home-schoolers-being-considered-a-more-probable-threat-than-terrorists-in-the-neck-of.html
voegelinian says
Sieges are planned and coordinated. And when they involve lots of combatants, they can be characterized as “swarming”.
Undaunted says
A family picnic is planned and coordinated, too.
Amazing. You’re a student of war, then?
A tire iron is not a baked potato because I put it in my oven.
Stay on the porch, please.
Wellington says
Good one, Undaunted. Needed a laugh right now.
Angemon says
Same here, Wellington.
😀
SIngh the SIkh says
The terrorists have done their job. Now the ‘moderates’ turn to step forward and act as buffer by playing victim, crying islamophobia, oganizing protests, launching media campaigns etc. watch the dumb ass liberals and leftists fall behind in support. We have seen all before. So damn predictable, like today’s massacre.
mortimer says
Agree with Singh.
Where are all these supposed ‘moderate’ Muslims? Silent as the grave.
Kepha says
I fear you are right, Singh.
EYESOPEN says
You are absolutely right there. Too bad. This video is something that has gone viral in Europe; but is something the enemedia definitely don’t want people to see:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/
Joseph says
I agree with you all. Watching Fox and CNN I could hear the subtle hints of the bullshit storm to come.
The next attack that comes they should send in a few pro Muslim politicians to talk to these terrorists that they love so much. Let us see how they feel about these **lovely** Muslims right before they get shoved thru the door.
Christianblood says
Exactly!
mortimer says
David wrote: “don’t let any more into this country”
15% of Muslims admit to supporting TERRORISM and out of those supporters a small number are actually terrorists. That means anywhere from a low of one Muslim out of 7,000 to one Muslim terrorist out of 3,000 at the high end.
That means 100 to 300 actual Islamic terrorists in every 1 million Muslims.
A few hundred terrorist ready to die can do a lot of damage. However, there’s no way to control terrorists when it’s so easy to hide in the Muslim population.
The answer is to restrict Muslim immigration and offer financial incentives for Muslim families to leave the West.
SIngh the Singh says
Just read that Obama, merkel and Trudeau are shocked and shaken. I have to go and have a puke.
Stevie says
I think I was puking with you about the same time . ‘Shocked and shaken’ what a bunch of fcking Moronic idiots !
balafama says
french citizens don’t have guns where do these vile monsters get all their ammunition from. the french had better start arming themselves to the teeth.
Mattt -ن says
As much as I wanted to stay away from this site just for the sake of being positve and keep all this bad news out of my life since I left the middle east as Christian who once thought now I can live in peace. .
I guess it destiny that I have to live with this bullshit ..
Joseph says
My brother Mattt -ن, You still have the love of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
John 14 King James Version (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Ex-muslim says
Evil islam islam is following us in West too and is doing the same evil things it did in the islamic world and people in the West have no clue what islam is all about. They think it is the same as any other religion providing muslims all the rights to pursue jihad and evil shareea and even aiding the very muslim jihadists who are persecuting us. Don’t know where to go for safety from islam, may be to the Moon?
balafama says
the western politicians are the worst enemies of the west,far worse than the jihadist . hollande,merkel,cameron and obama are complicit in the murder of all innocents by jihadist . oh lord have mercy on us all and may the departed r.i.p.
Godwin says
This is a huge slap on their faces. But they will never learn, because you fellows are the ones who die, not them or their families. They still say Islam is a religion of peace.
William says
Mr. Spencer has been warning of events like this coming to our shores.
The response can be summed up with my analogy:
A man is wading in a disease infested swamp, and when warned by an onlooker that what he is doing will be bad for his health, he responds that he is not worried because he has stocked up on a bunch of antibiotics. He is confident It will take protect him.
SIngh the SIkh says
Terrorist Muslims strike with impunity, secure in the knowledge that soon it will be forgotten, people will pick up the pieces (pun not intended) get on with life, and when all seems back to normal, kill again. SLow bleeding until the end. Leaders like Obama, Turnbull, Merkel, Trudeau are the enablers, leading their people to the slaughter.
EYESOPEN says
Exactly.
abad says
France needs to start deporting any remaining Muslims on their soil – close down every single mosque – it is the only solution to a very serious problem.
voegelinian says
It is now, and will be decades from now after an unacceptable number of our people are murdered by Muslims. And shame on those who niggle and balk while Rome burns.
Angemon says
Where do you suggest France should “deport” native French citizens to, abad?
Edward says
The surviving Jihads injuries should be treated by the Catholic nuns from local hospitals so the fools can learn what real compassion is all about…….their mythical god didn’t factor that virtue in its tenets…….even LOVE is not inferred on the Islam’s Koran passages of their creation account!
Hoping that the authority’s will understand and abide what has been written about in:
Romans 12:17-21 God said: “It is mine to avenge”
“17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
“The passage about coals is about the emotional discomfort an enemy will feel when you waken his conscience about his conduct toward you.”
http://www.egrc.net/articles/Rock/Puzzling_Passages/BurningCoals.html
Undaunted says
Ecclesiastes 3:8
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven…
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
Edward, stay on the porch, please.
Christianblood says
Undaunted
also: “…a time to heal and a time to KILL…”
Ecc 3:3
Undaunted says
Yeah, of course you’re right… thanks.
Joseph says
Edward “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
_______________________________________________
You can’t do that when he is trying to kill you.
You do this AFTER you have won the war and your enemy is on his knees begging for life.
Jesus does not want us slaughtered and He was NOT a pacifist.
Undaunted says
Nicely said.
Old44 says
Edward, your words would carry more weight if they were uttered while your head was being sawn off with a bayonet.
William says
Attacks like these will continue UNTIL we destroy the nest of vipers, to destroy Islam we must destroy the ideology and the only way to do that is to nuke Mecca and Medina, and destroy the Dome of the Rock, these events must be televised, let all the world see the false cult Islam truly is.
dumbledoresarmy says
A famous Frenchman, Gustave Flaubert, expressed a similar opinion.
“Hugh Fitzgerald”, who was a very regular and esteemed contributor here, and who is very familiar with French culture and history, unearthed and shared a gem from Flaubert’s letters.
Here’s the link, and the quote.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/40368
Wednesday, 1 February 2012
More Mots Justes From Flaubert
“Je demande, au nom de l’humanité, à ce qu’on broie la Pierre-Noire, pour en jeter les cendres au vent, à ce qu’on détruise La Mecque, et que l’on souille la tombe de Mahomet. Ce serait le moyen de démoraliser le Fanatisme.”
(Gustave Flaubert / 1821-1880 / Lettre à Madame Roger des Genettes / 12 ou 19 janvier 1878)
Tags: Gustave Flaubert, Louise Colet, Rouen, Madame Roger Des Genettes
Posted on 02/01/2012 5:10 PM by Hugh Fitzgerald
If you don’t read French, the gist of it is that Flaubert declares that , in the name of Humanity, people should “burn the Black Stone” [i.e. the Kaab], and toss its ashes to the winds, destroy Mecca and get rid of the tomb of Mohammed, and that that would be the way to demoralise the fanatics.
RonaldB says
“nuke Mecca and Medina, and destroy the Dome of the Rock…”
With due respect, you’re absolutely wrong.
Muslims excel in conscienceless murder. They are very difficult to defeat when allowed entrance to countries, although it can be done.
Kept in their own countries, they are much less of a threat. The low level of science and technology endemic in Muslim countries means they have very little chance against a modern army. This is why Israel presents such a dilemma to the much richer, more populous countries surrounding it.
There is no strategic advantage to destroying Mecca, if you leave Muslims in Western countries, and no advantage from destroying Mecca if you expel Muslims, since they will not be able to seriously damage Western countries.
The best solution is to expel any Muslim who supports jihad or sharia, and refuse entrance to new immigrants. Let them carry on their religion in their own countries, separate from us.
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/012935.html
Christianblood says
William & RonaldB
Both of you are actually Right.
PGuud says
Is anyone here still under the delusion that not all Muslims are terrorists? Megyn Kelly seems to think that the terrorism in Paris (around the world, for that matter) isn’t about Islam; it’s about Radical Islam (i.e., ISIS and the like). Of course, Radical Islam” is a euphemism for “extremists”–the implication being that the problem is a tiny minority of such. Because, you know, it’s not all Muslims; it’s only those small groups.
Don’t kid yourselves–ALL Muslims are terrorists by virtue of the fact that they are Muslim. As long as people adhere to that vile ideology and identify themselves as Muslim, they are terrorists.
For the sake of humanity, Islam has to be obliterated. Get rid of Islam; get rid of a very large part of the world’s problems.
Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.
RonaldB says
” Islam has to be obliterated…”
Islam doesn’t have to be obliterated. Undoubtedly, mankind would be better off if it were, but there is a category of desirable and obtainable, and a category of desirable and unobtainable.
A desirable and obtainable goal is to totally stop immigration, expel all Muslim non-citizens, and expel any Muslim who supports jihad or sharia.
SIngh the SIkh says
Appeasement and mollification were tried but failed miserably, time and again. Time to get tough. We Sikhs did that. They don’t mess with us as much, or at least they think twice. They have learnt from experience that with the SIkhs retribution will. E swift and deadly. We give them a doze of their own medicine, in increased dozes. It worked for us.
Mahendra Singh says
Well the bodies have been counted and the fires extinguished. If the Frenchmen have any doubt that they are right inthe middle of dar-ul-harb (state of war in the struggle to win France for Islam) they
are big fools.
Islofob IS-1 says
Based on the news, comments from the talking in the knows , little will change. If islam itself is not seen as the enemy here, the focus of the attacks, then this event will do little to change the path the world is taking.
Was this attack from the “good” muslims, or the “bad” ones?
Its all the point of view you follow.
RonaldB says
“If islam itself is not seen as the enemy here, the focus of the attacks, then this event will do little to change the path the world is taking….”
You’re exactly right.
The French president has this response:
French President Francois Hollande to condemn the attack as an “act of war” and vow that France “will be merciless toward the barbarians of Islamic State group.”
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/14/french-police-report-shootout-and-explosion-in-paris/?intcmp=hpbt1
He makes ISIS the target, rather than the open immigration that France has been practicing. This means he’s in damage spin control, rather than looking for an actual solution. It is more than obvious at this point that as long as you have large numbers of Muslims in France, or any country, you’re going to have incidents like this regularly.
Muslims have 3 stages of jihad:
Accommodation
defensive violence
Offensive violence
Security services have been picking off the low-hanging fruit: low-IQ (even for Muslims) losers who confide their jihadist wishes to paid informants.
But, very little has been done to the well-organized sleeper cells who are biding their time, waiting for Muslim politicians to completely geld the security forces and the civil-defense mechanisms of government. Chances are, they haven’t tipped their hand in the countries slightly less-advanced in Muslim infiltration.
ISIS is a bit of a wild-card with respect to the hijrah (systematic Muslim infiltration of enemy territory). ISIS always jumps the gun, but so far has been proven to be more on-target on timing than the more conservative Muslim Brotherhood, or even al-qaeda. In other words, our decadent societies are ripe for the plucking right now, although the Muslim Brotherhood would like a few more decades of peaceful infiltration just to be sure.
duh_swami says
Famous last words…’it can’t happen here’…Yes it can, and it has…Watch for copy cats…
John Scott says
Just a clarification:
Eagles of Death Metal are not heavy metal.
They are rock & roll, and, they poke fun at Death Metal, in their own way.
It’s incredibly sad that a bunch of young people who just wanted to have some light-hearted good ‘ol rock & roll fun were gunned down.
John
Ps.
If you want to listen to metal, try seeking out something like Celtic Frost. That is metal.
Or, perhaps, Seeds of Iblis (Anti-Quran Rituals, etc.).
Lioness says
NOTHING is going to change after this. All the pledges to bring those responsinle to justice are hollow and temporary. Whithin a couple of weeks the left-wing agenda will continue unabated, the “refugees” will continue to flood Europe and Obama will aid the destruction of the West. Only the arming of ordinary citizens will make a dent in terrorism. If anyone in that concert hall had a gun, the whole thing would have ended within minutes.
Edward says
[Joseph said earlier, November 14, 2015 at 12:38 am]
“Jesus does not want us slaughtered and He was NOT a pacifist.”
Joseph, Jesus can certainly change people’s mindsets as Romans 12:20 professes. If we don’t do it His way Islam’s cancer will continue to metastasize as it has done for centuries. Reasoning, wars against Islam have never lessened the brutality of the ideology. In fact it’s more potent than never before. Logistic and technologies has made it more formidable also. The present Jihadist is the present progeny/converts of the original Islam’s adherents of 1400 years ago as we know….today there are many named mohammad to revere its founder, mohammad.
Twenty five years ago God’s word kept me from killing an antagonist…..my guns didn’t deter him all……it aggravated the situation in fact …..His word erased the progression of my enemy’s maligned mindset literally within days…..he disappearing like the morning fog! My dedication to His word has lessened my heart/headaches since then!
Here is the Holy Scriptures passages that has helped eradicate or lessen my dilemmas.
Ephesians “God’s suit of armor” 6:10-18 > Psalm 91 Trusting God > Romans 12:17-21 God’s rightful avengence. Also:
Deuteronomy 32:35 it is mine to avenge; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them.”
For the Skeptics: for the past 25 years I’ve been observant of what I have written here. For that many years I have been told that the experience I witnessed to “was really a coincidence”. After that successful event I would be sort of skeptical to for a while. However, I felt that I was lucky and grateful at the same time. Regardless of my apprehension I continued with the reading/meditating and pondering upon the Holy Scriptures. For my efforts mentioned here I can say with sincerity that my family and I have been blessed with many pleasant and peaceful moments. I write to share these benefits received when one looks up to our Creator’s written wisdom by which aids us in our discernment to act accordingly! I can say also that this very thought has been field tested for the past 25 years and counting. I’m going to copy and paste the following biblical passage also….for us to perpetually ponder upon and I’m going suggest too; to the people of Israel to do the same to avoid further tragedies. This passage should be our benchmark of our continued humanity existence.
Matthew 10:
32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
Joseph says
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Edward, you forgot verses 34,35 and 36
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
Protecting oneself against those that wish to harm us or our loved ones is not a sin. HOWEVER failure to do so, especially when children are involved is a sin of omission….FAILURE TO ACT.
Joseph says
LAST POST SHOULD READ
Edward, you forgot verses 34,35 and 36
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
Protecting oneself against those that wish to harm us or our loved ones is not a sin. HOWEVER failure to do so, especially when children are involved is a sin of omission…FAILURE TO ACT.
Undaunted says
I’m with Joseph on this one. Jesus told his disciples to take up swords for a reason.
Edward says
As for Matt 10:34 the term “sword” is a metaphor for a utensil that divides and not a weapon to be used for ones security,
Undaunted says
Strong’s: 3162; machaira, a knife, dirk, sword: probably derived from 3163 ~ mache’ ~ which means to battle, to fight.
Sorry, Edward; but the original Greek does not support your metaphor claim.
Joseph says
Edward,
You can believe all you want that you should not defend yourself; that is fine.
The sword is also a device used to defend ones self against an attacker.
The sword is also a device used to stop the slaughter of innocents that they may live to grow in Jesus Christ. If not allowed to grow in Christ they will not be strong enough to withstand the evil one and convert to Islam thereby condemning their soul to hell. Is it right that these should go to hell because of our in-actions? By not doing anything you are just as guilty as doing it yourself.
If you saw someone being raped on your front porch would you use a weapon to stop it? Or call the police and HOPE they come in time.
If your neighbor was calling for help because he was being murdered on his front lawn would you shoot the perpetrator?
Tell me Edward when Jesus was cleansing the temple of money changers with cords of rope is THAT A METAPHOR for Jesus sweeping out the old and bringing in the new?
Jesus will not come again until the time is right and he wishes that no one be lost to the evil one. Inaction will cause more people to be lost to Islam because they are not strong enough yet.
Will that be pleasing to my precious JESUS?
Edward says
Joseph said,
“Edward, You can believe all you want that you should not defend yourself; that is fine.”
Joseph, it’s not a matter of what we believe that will keep us alive! In my 80 years life I’ve found 2 factors that abides very well with our Creator’s tenets for this matter. For He has set the standards as benchmarks for us to use!
1. By exercising our virtue of Courage
James 4:7 Submit yourselves*, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. –
*First of all submit ourselves to the virtue of Courage that will help to manifest into our spiritual strength to outdo any evil anywhere, anytime!
2. By affirming: Psalm 91 – Full Trust in God to help us in our quest to erase the maligned mindsets of those that hate us.
These 2 factors has manifested in a way that has provided safety/security for me and my entire family! I plan to propagate this experience of mine to help eradicate the eminent dangers that lurks in our midst!
I’m going to use as a model an excerpt from my experience that occurred 25 years ago for this project.
Twenty five years ago God’s word kept me from killing an antagonist…..my guns didn’t deter him at all……it aggravated the situation in fact …..God’s word erased the progression of my enemy’s maligned mindset literally within days…..he disappearing like the morning fog! My dedication to His word has lessened my heart/headaches since then!
Here is the Holy Scriptures passages that has helped eradicate or lessen my dilemmas.
Ephesians “God’s suit of armor” 6:10-18 > Psalm 91 Trusting God > Romans 12:17-21 God’s rightful avengence.
Also:
Deuteronomy 32:35 it is mine to avenge; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them.”
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A side note:
Joseph, you seem to be well versed in the scriptures. Has the promises written in the bible caused you to be more trustful of our Creator’s word?
Joseph says
Edward, First on the side note. I trust in GOD my Father now more than ever. I believe EVERY word from Genesis to Revelation.(I believe in 6 days, not evolution). I trust and put my faith in GOD to do the correct thing. If GOD puts me in a situation I believe it is my duty to protect and preserve those that can not do it themselves. Without GOD my mission(on Earth) would be pointless.
I will find out what GOD wants me to do on this Earth and I hope I will please him. My life has had some weird twists and turns so far but I am not dead yet so my mission is not complete. AND yes there are situations in my life where I have let GOD handle it. He did a better job than I ever could.
Yes certain situations do escalate by the show of force but in the case of Islam the situation escalates when pacifism is shown.
There are also situations where one must show his fervor for God in ways we would not expect
Numbers 25: 6-8
6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;
8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.
Don’t get me wrong Edward…I like our little discussion.
ONE.. err a couple of questions for you.
What is your favorite book? Mine is the Gospel of John, it is like poetry to me that no man on his own can write.
When you have trouble and need an answer does it all ways seem that if you open the Bible randomly the answer is there?
Edward says
Joseph, my answer to your question,
The creation account in Genesis is the starting point that excites me.
Genesis’ 1:27 is living proof of a loving God. His endowing us with “His Image” is His statement of how much He loves and cares for us!
The “Image of God” faculty was considered by the catholic theologian Saint Augustus as the center of humanity. This gift is the bearer of our God’s divine 4 attributions out of His 18 Supreme attributes, they are for love, graciousness, kindness and compassion only. We are not material god’s for He is our Spiritual God!
Interestingly, the Image of God concept is rejected by Islam. Perhaps, this standard of humanity nature is foreign to the Muslim world. Saying that the divine attributes of love, graciousness, kindness and compassion are not found in their faith’s tenets. The Paris massacre proves of what I’m saying!
http://www.iqrasense.com/allah/islamic-viewpoint-on-god-made-man-in-his-own-image.html
“Islam does not agree with this statement. Allah, God, has attributes which belong to Him alone, such as His being the Creator, the Provider, the One God, etc. These are characteristics which a created being cannot acquire.”——-[ ]