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Rome’s Prefect: Muslims “first victims” of Paris jihad attacks

Nov 19, 2015 5:35 pm By Robert Spencer

How the first victims of the Paris jihad attacks are Muslims themselves, Franco Gabrielli did not say. Were the Nazis the first victims of the invasion of Poland? Meanwhile, he pleads for the Muslim community in Rome to admit there is a problem: “We demand that the Islamic communities have a collaborative attitude. If it is beastly to say that all Muslims are terrorists it is also an inappropriate mystification not to admit that all the terrorists came from a certain context.” Good luck with getting anyone in the Muslim community to acknowledge that “inappropriate mystification.”

Franco Gabrielli

“Rome prefect demands ‘clear stand’ from Islamic community,” ANSA, November 19, 2015 (thanks to Insubria):

(ANSA) – Rome, November 19 – Rome Prefect Franco Gabrielli said Thursday he expected the Islamic community to take a clear stand against terrorism following last Friday’s attacks in Paris in which at least 129 people were killed. “There is an attack by criminals and the first victims are Muslims themselves,” Gabrielli said.

“We demand that the Islamic communities have a collaborative attitude,” he continued. “If it is beastly to say that all Muslims are terrorists it is also an inappropriate mystification not to admit that all the terrorists came from a certain context,” the prefect said.

“Who better than those who live in and frequent that context to be of help, both in their public position and in assisting the institutions in counter-terrorism activities?” Gabrielli concluded.

In theory, at least.

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  1. Sam S. Ara says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 6:05 pm

    I saw some outrageous BS on some “news” channel or another talking about how the people who encourage, support, and/or otherwise carry out these attacks shouldn’t be thought of as “terrorists,” but as poor, misguided “tortured souls.” Aside from the vomit-inducing qualities of such a sentiment taken at face value, could not the same be said about—and therefore in defense of—Himmler? Goring? Heydrich? Hitler? Stalin? Mao? How about plain old serial killers–Jeffrey Dahmer? Ted Bundy? Surely their poor little poopsy-woopsy flowery snowflake hearts (pardon the metaphor mixing!) must also have simply been bruised and misunderstood? Certainly didn’t stop us from doing what needed to be done in these cases….seeing as they represented clear and present danger. In today’s crazy lost-its-d*amn-mind world, though. who knows what kind of babble and dribble we’d be slathering to make excuses for them…sigh.

    • DRHazard says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 pm

      Exactly, the same people who make all kinds of unlikely excuses for Islamic terrorism are the same people who NEVER let such a thought even cross their minds when it comes to acts committed by non-minority groups. I think that once they consider someone a member of a minority group, especially Muslim, they apply a whole different set of moral values to their behavior, and they just can’t get past it. It is reflexive and involves absolutely no reasoning at all. The more real world facts fly in the face of their delusions, the more they double down.

      • Oliver says

        Nov 19, 2015 at 9:22 pm

        DRH–I ALMOST agree with what you say.

        ONE EXCEPTION: IS A JEW ( BE HE OR SHE ISRAELI OR NOT) COMMITS A CRIME, THEN IT IS ‘ THE JEWS DID IT”.

        LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL SCANDALS-MADOFF THE JEW; ENRON–DID ANYONE SAY–KEN LAY- THE BAPTIST ( I THINK HE WAS A BAPTIST- AND A LAY MINISTER, TO BOOT) (IF NOT A BAPTIST, ANOTHER OF THE MAINLINE PROTESTANT RELIGIONS- BUT A LAY MINISTER). And the one that was about the same time as Madoff, there was at least one ( although I think 2 or 3) other financial scandals.

        Nowhere was the perps religion mentioned. Just Madoff.

        But let the criminal be black; Hispanic; white Muslim; etc-no mention, just poor misguided soul. Sickening.

    • Shane says

      Nov 20, 2015 at 10:25 am

      What is this cowardly wimp going to do if the Muslims continue to support jihad and demand to live under sharia law? Nothing at all.

      • Dr. Divinity says

        Nov 20, 2015 at 4:38 pm

        If Muslims in America want to prove to the world that they don’t support what these Muslim terrorists are doing then start marching in the streets, go on TV and all other news media, have open meetings preach it in the mosques scream to the world that what is happening with these terrorists is not islam. Police your religion demand change and reform. Until that happens I can neither respect, or trust them or believe anything they says.

        To what I have mentioned above would probably place a dearth warrant on the heads of them…..so what is the difference.between us and them. We as non muslim have an automatic death warrant on our heads simply because we don’t follow islam. So will the Muslims do anything…No of course not.

  2. Ami says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    The whole mental illness business has gotten out of hand, as has justifying bad behaviour. Yes, what the lunatics of Islam do impacts on Muslims, but to say they are the first victims only disempowers them.

    just for the record. As far as history of Poland and the Nazis goes, There are stories of Germans dressing up as Polish soldiers terrorizing their own people and calling it a Polish invasion, to motive Germany towards invading Poland. not implausible, Russians used to dress themselves as polish soldiers and killed many people polish people during the solidarity movement back in the early 70s.

  3. Wellington says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    Just one more Western foolish elite making excuses for a belief system which would utterly destroy the best of Western values if only given the chance. Well, the wretched belief system which is Islam continues to be given the chance, courtesy of fools like this guy.

    It’s come to this for me: I detest dhimmi apologists for Islam even more than I do the worst of Muslims. This is why I have greater contempt for people like Pope Francis, David Cameron, John Kerry and Angela Merkel than I do for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Ayman al-Zawahiri.

    • Oliver says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 9:26 pm

      Not defending Cameron- but in the election BEFORE this one, I spoke to an English expatriate who lives in the US- and has family in Britain. his view, Cameron was the best of a bad lot.

      In this past election, his opponent was a Jew hating Jew Marxist, who besides hating Jews, hated Bibi and what he stood for. Again, Cameron was the lesser of the evils.

      • Wellington says

        Nov 19, 2015 at 10:09 pm

        I don’t doubt it, Oliver, but therein lies testimony to the real problem, no?

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 19, 2015 at 10:49 pm

        This is true, Oliver–hard as it may be to believe, Cameron was the best of an astonishingly bad bunch. Were I living in Britain, I would have had to have held my nose and vote for him.

    • Oliver says

      Nov 20, 2015 at 12:15 pm

      Read today’s edition of DRY BONES. (An Israeli political cartoon)– (free by the way, although donations accepted)– PUTS TOGETHER PROBABLY 505 OF THE JW POSTS AND COMMENTS. Their cartoons are blunt and to the point.

  4. nicu says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 7:06 pm

    What a dickhead ! Alert everywhere cos of Muslims and says THAT ? Oh , yes Muslims like to play the victim card – BUT THEY ARE NOT ๐Ÿ™

  5. TheBuffster says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 7:18 pm

    โ€œWho better than those who live in and frequent that context to be of help, both in their public position and in assisting the institutions in counter-terrorism activities?โ€

    Well, Prefect Gabrielli, there’s the problem – context.

    The full context – and FULL contexts are always most helpful in understanding a given subject – includes the foundational texts of Islam itself, plus classic, mainstream commentaries and rulings and the actions not only of Mohammad, which are bad enough, but the reinforcement through history of the commands in the foundational works to conquer the unbelievers when it looks to be possible to do so.

    Muslims who’ve been lax in getting to know their canon may not know, or at least may not believe, that they are commanded to kill and be killed not just in self defense, but to attack and subjugate unbelievers who refuse Islamic rule willingly.

    But those who know what’s in their books but don’t have it in their humane hearts to obey all the way *know* that they are being hypocrites according to Allah. They know what fellow non-hypocrite Muslims are supposed to do to them. They know they don’t have a theological foot to stand on.

    That’s their context.

    Among those in the know there may be some brave Muslims who will put their own higher-than-Islam personal ethics and benevolence above the religion they were born to and try to help fight against their fanatic brethren, but they’ll have to struggle against their surrounding Islamic social context, which holds deadly possibilities. It’s far safer for them and their families to lie low, try to avoid Muslims who take the Koran too seriously, and hope that the Kafir will win the day for them.

    As far as the prefect’s comment about Muslims being the “first victims” of the Paris attacks, I think that’s just his way of trying to get past Muslim psychological resistance to listening to a non-Muslim telling them what they should do. It’s useless, because what any Muslim is up against if he is contemplating helping the fight against the Islamic State is so huge, a little buttering up isn’t going to make any difference to him one way or another. If he’s got the courage to go with his better angels instead of Islam, that comes from within, and appeasing BS from unbelievers won’t be necessary.

    • mortimer says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 7:25 pm

      Franco Gabrielli is no expert on Islam and is in no position to explain it to us.

      ISLAMIC DOCTRINE WAS NOT DECIDED BY VOTE, but by medieval scholars who declared it unalterable and complete in the year 1111 AD.

      Any Muslim who disagrees with those medieval scholars is a heretic who should be executed.

      • TheBuffster says

        Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 pm

        That’s it, Mortimer. That’s what every decent person who’s been living as a watered-down Muslim is facing.

        While Islam was more quiescent, it was easier for those decent Muslims to be superficial about their religion, to be ignorant of it, or to rationalize it. But now that the true believers are going for jihad all over the world, it’s going to continue to get more and more difficult for them to fool themselves or anyone else. If they try to argue with a Muslim who knows his Koran and the life of Mohammad forwards and backwards, the decent verses of the Koran that he holds to out-of-context will be put into context for them. How can they argue with that? In trying to convince a young person that the verse about killing one person is like killing all of mankind means the Islamic State is wrong, context is not on the pacifist Muslim’s side. All I.S. has to do is lay out the whole context and nothing but the whole context.

        Moderate Mom and Dad don’t have much of a chance when junior goes looking for a pure and uncompromising, non-hypocritical, honest grasp of Islam and finds it in a group that doesn’t shy away from the truth like soft-shelled cowards.

        The uncompromising young mind will look at the Islamic canon and either embrace it for what it is and join the jihad, or reject it for what it is and look for a religion or philosophy that he can embrace wholeheartedly, in good conscience.

  6. mortimer says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    The first victims of Muslims are women because they are the easiest to beat up. The Paris attacks were a self-declared attack against ‘PROSTITUTION’ … what ISIS calls it when women attend meetings with men without a chaperon.

    The point of the Paris attacks missed most of the commentators because they can read and COMPREHEND Islamic language.

    We are being let down by journalists who do not have the learning to understand Islam.

    • bernie says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 8:26 pm

      I.S. has called France in general and Paris in particular “a center of prostitution, vice and obscenity.”

      This is coming from an evil group which murders, rapes, robs and kidnaps people of all ages simply because they are Christian, Yazidi, Shi’a or Kurdish; sodomizes young boys; sexually enslaves young women and girls; and carries out mindless terrorist attacks which kill, wound and injure hundreds of innocent people.

  7. nacazo says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 7:31 pm

    Prefect idiot!!!

  8. Georg says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    “Were the Nazis the first victims of the invasion of Poland?”

    What an appropriate question. I’d like to hear the Leftsane response to that.

  9. ุฎูŽู„ูŠูุฉ says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    I think his comments are well intentioned but woefully uneducated. He is guilty of Western Projectionism by falsely believing that Muslim morality is essentially the same as Christian morality.

    There is no “Golden Rule” idea in Islam, if Muhammad did it, it is good, if he said don’t do it, it’s bad. This means that many things in Islam are both good and bad. Situation context determines the “good” or “bad” of something. e.g. For a Muslim, Lying is ok to save yourself or protect Islam, and it’s not considered “sin”. For a Christian, lying to save yourself is considered justifiable, but is still considered a “sin”. For Christians there is a vast distinction between “justification” and “explanation”, for Muslims there is no real difference, justification and explanation are virtually interchangeable.

    Rome is doomed if they keep saying things like this.

    • ุฎูŽู„ูŠูุฉ says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 7:58 pm

      The Christian gives his “explanation”, I lied to protect myself because I was afraid, I have no way to “justify” doing so.

      Islam is morally inferior as they have no such concept.

      In terms of morality, Islam is akin to basic math, whereas Judaism, Christianity are like advanced multi-dimensional calculus.

  10. Leslie Greco says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    Politically Correct. Sensitivity to All. Say everything “proper” and don’t “offend” anyone, especially a muslim. If he really wanted to psycho-analyse this, why not just say, MUSLIMS ARE THE VICTIMS OF ISLAM, THEIR OWN IDEOLOGY. To be a muslim and follow Islam in the name of Allah, is their choice, either you are in, or you Get Out.
    I doubt we will ever see muslims change the Quaran, other muslims will kill them.
    What a horrible way to have to be born into Islam with no way out…yet there are muslims that become ex-muslims and have to leave this “faith” in order to disassociate with Islam.

    • ุฎูŽู„ูŠูุฉ says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 8:43 pm

      I like you thinking.

  11. abad says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    Muslims are not victims.

    They are murderers.

    And bomb-strapping to self suicide – like Hasna Aitboulahcen – is a form of murder.

    • Oliver says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 9:30 pm

      Abad–I think (not sure) that it was Fox that stopped calling it suicide bombs; suicide bombers, etc and referred to it as HOMICIDE. HOMICIDE BOMBERS, ETC.

      Unfortunately, the media, public uses the term suicide, as if something noble. Anal pores

  12. sidney penny says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    YES,

    “In theory, at least”.

  13. gravenimage says

    Nov 19, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    Romeโ€™s Prefect: Muslims โ€œfirst victimsโ€ of Paris jihad attacks
    ………………….

    The usual dhimmi crap: Muslims slaughter innocent Infidels; Muslims somehow “real” victims.

  14. Mathew Solo says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 12:55 am

    Rome prefect demands โ€˜clear standโ€™ from Islamic communityโ€ฆbut The Church in Rome is a very mysterious and complex human endeavor…He may not have His job much longer if He were inclined to go any further…what they say and do in relationship with the Muslim community is surely behind closed doors…but this Church is very heavily influenced by politically correct views…if the Muslim Community wanted to be more helpful shouldn’t it have been they who demanded to help a very long time ago.

    This influx of migrants willโ€ฆbring out the professing Christian in more Europeansโ€ฆand if things donโ€™t
    Improve in the general Muslim populationโ€ฆand if things get to be even more intolerableโ€ฆMaybe we
    Will hear some more from Rome.

    Remember The German People…Look for a very Persuasive and potent leadership rising amongst them even now…so completely different from the present leadershipโ€ฆThe Roman Catholicsโ€ฆThe Protestants โ€ฆEastern Orthodox can put aside any differencesโ€ฆThis may lend support to a powerful organized multi-national Allianceโ€ฆwatch what This Power Doesโ€ฆIn the Middle East some Broad Leadership should form there and This Power may try to cooperate with this Middle Eastern leadershipโ€ฆuntil it is provokedโ€ฆthen watch the resultโ€ฆa whirlwind is comingโ€ฆ.Watch and seeโ€ฆRemember The German Peopleโ€ฆNever Underestimate Themโ€ฆthey have been known to go from one mode to a completely different mode rapidly and decisivelyโ€ฆWatch Who is willing to ally with themโ€ฆOther Countries Will Join Them…it could be so formableโ€ฆand determined to project its power.

    I might be wrong on the detailsโ€ฆBut I am Still watchingโ€ฆthe potential is there.

    • Jura says

      Nov 20, 2015 at 2:46 am

      Do not forget the demographics of Germany.
      In 80 milion nation is 7 milion men 18-35. How many of them is willing to fight after decades of teaching Selbsthass – selfhatred? How many of them has a clue what a battle is?
      In Germany is now approximatelly 5 million muslims. The recent 1 milion influx consists from 60 percent of males in 18-35 years most of whom knows well how to behave violently.

      • Mathew Solo says

        Nov 20, 2015 at 1:45 pm

        The presence of German-speaking populations in Central and Eastern Europe is rooted in centuries of historyโ€ฆwith the settling in northeastern Europe of Germanic peoples predating even the founding of the Roman Empireโ€ฆThe presence of the independent German states in the region (particularly Prussia), and later the German Empire and also in other multi-ethnic countriesโ€ฆsuch as Austria…Hungaryโ€ฆPolandโ€ฆRussiaโ€ฆetcโ€ฆdemonstrates the extent and duration of German people.

        There are still a substantial number of ethnic Germans in the countries that are now Germany and Austria’s neighbors to the eastโ€ฆPoland…the Czech Republicโ€ฆSlovakiaโ€ฆHungaryโ€ฆand Sloveniaโ€ฆIn additionโ€ฆthere areโ€ฆsignificant populations in such areas as Estoniaโ€ฆLatviaโ€ฆRomaniaโ€ฆMoldovaโ€ฆUkraineโ€ฆRussia…and Kazakhstan.

        Who Among these and who else may join in alliance with a strong German leadershipโ€ฆtime will tellโ€ฆas far as numbersโ€ฆmany hundreds of millions could easily be the resultโ€ฆand in any strong show of strengthโ€ฆ.they donโ€™t get any tougher than these peoplesโ€ฆnot to mention a excellent grasp of technology.

        The Germans astonishingly came back to lifeโ€ฆ(after WW2) they put there talents to real useโ€ฆand they inspired and helped all the above to prosperโ€ฆthey are well respected by themโ€ฆand very capable of inspiring strength in theseโ€ฆthey have the very qualities to rally the troopsโ€ฆthe potential is very greatโ€ฆWatch…them go from one mode to another rapidly
        and effectively…Watch Who Allies with Them.

    • Ami says

      Nov 20, 2015 at 5:19 am

      Just watched Vladimir Putin exposes the NWO 30min Putin’s speech in russian, english subtax, to world leaders on utube video 2014….Jikes….until this year when Merkel opened the gates of Europe, I was blissfully unaware of what has been going on around the world….Until that moment, I would have been non the wiser, wondering that things were going down hill, thinking yeah…more propaganda, but never really looking for what really lies beneath, the unthinkable….

  15. Jura says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 2:39 am

    It is true that Muslims are victims of islam. It is true that Germans were first and last victim of nacism, and Russians first and last victims of communism. That is correct. The point is – taking this into account is very important after the war, not during the war. Otherwise it is a suicide.

  16. duh_swami says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 6:40 am

    What’s with the infidel elite that they all seem to be reading off the same page of talking points, all supporting Allah’s causes?
    Who has convinced them to sing in stereo?

  17. Jim Peters says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 10:12 am

    it seems to me that all over the world, politicians are trying to keep a lid on things. They think that because of their stature, their education etc. they have to feign altruism, to act like they know what they’re doing instead of confronting Islamic scum.
    Sec of State Kerry should keep his mouth shut. He sounds like a complete fool. He is an empty suit, faking his way down the gridiron, with nobody trying to tackle him, running to the wrong goalpost. He looks shell shocked and out of his depth.

  18. Carolyne says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 11:04 am

    One can only be a victim if one agrees to be a victim. Muslims agree to it by adhering to a seventh century warlord’s cult. We in the west have been agreeing to be victims of a Muslim invasion. I have hopes that we are awakening to the danger we have brought among us and that we will stop agreeing to be victimized by these barbarians and rid ourselves of them.

  19. Doug says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10 pm

    This isn’t just a problem or crisis for today, but one that will escalate in years to come. As long as there is the stain of islam on any given point in western society, it will grow, like a fungus, until it flares up again in an existential crisis for future generations. They have time on their side. Allied with demographics, they will win at some point and future enslaved dhimmis will rightfully blame the weak and complacent leadership of today.

  20. David Severy says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 1:52 pm

    โ€œThere is an attack by criminals and the first victims are Muslims themselves,โ€ Gabrielli said.

    One could see it to be so I suppose, because muslims who do not want terror or violence do not suffer well the guilt by association with their near kinfolk. I pray they they stand up and overthrow the criminal muslin brotherhood, but that will cost them dearly. REMEMBER: This whole mess IS HAPPENING in the context of Jesus the Messiah’s reign over all flesh.
    Matthew 28:
    8 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.
    19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:
    20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

  21. True Coptic says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    In every incident: some Muslims do the explosion and kill people. The rest of the Muslims call themselves “victims” and scared of “reaction”!!!! Just to make the west scared of any action against them
    It is the same game all times. The west does not understand the game and helps them do it again and again

  22. Bindon Blood says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    Pointless really in asking Muslims to state their disbelief in their own religion. All the encouragement any Muslim needs to instigate a jihadist attack is in the Islamic literature which is easily available. If Muslims were really disgusted by the actions of jihadists they would either reject the Koran etc. Or insist that all the racial and religious intolerance and violence is removed,which is virtually all the Medinan verses and a fair bit of the Meccan verses. It’s not going to happen. Why so called intelligent people cannot see that is a bit of a mystery.

  23. dumbledoresarmy says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 5:46 pm

    The perpetrators in Paris, France, the people who gunned down cafe-goers and concert-goers, were not mere generic ‘criminals’; they were MUSLIMS carrying out Jihad to the tune of ‘allahu-akbar’.

    The first victims – that is, the first people *murdered*…by Muslims…were NON-MUSLIMS, innocent unarmed civilians eating out or listening to music.

    There *were* a few kafirized Muslims amongst them, judging from a very small percentage of Islamic-type names of victims in some of the lists of dead that I have seen.

    But *they* would be seen by the Muslim murderers, the caliphate-serving assassins, as either insufficiently-islamic muslims who deserved what they got, or – if deemed acceptably-Muslim-enough -, as having gone to ‘Paradise’ whilst the infidels who died beside them were sent to Hell.

    Muslims celebrate and approve of the mass-murders of 9/11 despite a perceptible number of Muslims having been killed both aboard planes and in the towers. Those who carried out the attacks, both in the USA and in Paris, and also those who carried out the attacks in London, *must* have known (given the demographics of the areas in which they chose to attack) that there was a reasonable chance that *some* fellow Muslims would get killed in the process. They carried out the attack anyway, because the Cause trumps all other considerations…what’s a few fellow Muslims getting killed, if the temporal and psychological dominance of Islam, Islam, Islam is increased?

  24. Angemon says

    Nov 21, 2015 at 7:06 pm

    โ€œWho better than those who live in and frequent that context to be of help, both in their public position and in assisting the institutions in counter-terrorism activities?โ€ Gabrielli concluded.

    Yup, who better to guard the hen house than the foxes?

    Exactly how many jihad attacks worldwide were stopped because someone in a given community went to the police and said something like “Look, I heard these people speaking at the mosque and they’re planning a terrorist attack, and they say it’s justified under islam but I know it isn’t, and I want nothing to do with it, I consider it my duty as a citizen of this country to warn law enforcement about this kind of people”?

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