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Salon: “After Paris, let’s stop blaming Muslims and take a hard look at ourselves”

Nov 14, 2015 1:15 pm By Robert Spencer

Yeah. How dare those French get in the way of those jihad suicide bombers and gunmen? How dare 160 French get massacred by Islamic jihadists? Don’t they realize that makes Islam look bad?

Also, when did Salon ever “blame Muslims”? How can they stop what they never started? The whole framing of this issue as one of “blaming Muslims” actually sidesteps the real issue: what is in the texts and teachings of Islam that incites believers to violence, and what can be done about it? When, aside from Jeffrey Tayler articles, has Salon ever examined that?

Ben Norton Salon

“Our terrorism double standard: After Paris, let’s stop blaming Muslims and take a hard look at ourselves,” by Ben Norton, Salon, November 14, 2015:

Any time there is an attack on civilians in the post-9/11 West, demagogues immediately blame it on Muslims. They frequently lack evidence, but depend on the blunt force of anti-Muslim bigotry to bolster their accusations.

Actual evidence, on the other hand, shows that less than 2 percent of terrorist attacks from 2009 to 2013 in the E.U. were religiously motivated. In 2013, just one percent of the 152 terrorist attacks were religious in nature; in 2012, less than 3 percent of the 219 terrorist attacks were inspired by religion.

Fantasy analysis, derived by jimmying the data. And even if it were accurate, the claim that there are other terror threats doesn’t mean that there isn’t an Islamic terror threat.

The vast majority of terrorist attacks in these years were motivated by ethno-nationalism or separatism. In 2013, 55 percent of terrorist attacks were ethno-nationalist or separatist in nature; in 2012, more than three-quarters (76 percent) of terrorist attacks were inspired by ethno-nationalism or separatism.

These facts, nonetheless, have never stopped the prejudiced pundits from insisting otherwise.

On Friday the 13th of November, militants massacred at least 127 people in Paris in a series of heinous attacks.

There are many layers of hypocrisy in the public reaction to the tragedy that must be sorted through in order to understand the larger context in which these horrific attacks are situated — and, ultimately, to prevent such attacks from happening in the future.
Right-wing exploitation

As soon as the news of the attacks broke, even though there was no evidence and practically nothing was known about the attackers, right-wing pundits immediately latched on to the violence as an opportunity to demonize Muslims and refugees from Muslim-majority countries.

The list of right-wing demagogues who chimed in reads like a Who’s Who of leading reactionaries. In a disgrace to the victims, the shout chorus of conservatives exploited the horrific attacks to distract from and even deny domestic problems. They flatly told Black Lives Matter activists fighting for basic civil and human rights, fast-food workers seeking liveable wages and union rights, and students challenging crippling debts that their problems are insignificant because they are not being held hostage at gunpoint.

More insidiously, when evidence began to suggest that extremists were responsible for the attacks, and when ISIS eventually claimed responsibility, the demagogues implied or even downright insisted that Islam — the religion of 1.6 billion people — was to blame, and that the predominately (although not entirely) Muslim refugees entering the West are only going to carry out more of such attacks….

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Comments

  1. Franubis says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:17 pm

    That stupid face is so, so punchable.

    A pitty those good and loving muslims prefer bombs and decapitations.

    • خَليفة says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 1:37 pm

      Do you mean the smooth philtrum, thin lips and small, wide spaced eyes?

      No wonder he lacks proper reasoning skills – he “looks” like a victim of FAS.

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 1:42 pm

      Draw MO’s face and offend ISIS
      ISIS has nothing to do with Islam therefore, the evil face of their so called “apostle of Allah” AKA the satanic verse buffoon named Muhammad is draw-able and mock-able and should not cause any offence to Muslims.

  2. Jay Boo says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    Beware of the passive aggressive dhimmi dummy reflex of your co-worker or neighbor.
    Weaklings respect bullies much more than they despise them.
    In the coming weeks you will surely see some bushier beards among those all too eager to appease.

    • john spielman says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 2:13 pm

      this “man” looks quite similar to the guy who posed in a”onesy” 2 fisting a cup of hot cocoa to advertise for obammacare

  3. Katowice says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:35 pm

    Witness this “man”, and the servile dhimmitude he represents. The ideology of jihad must never be questioned, but every blemish of ours no matter how microscopic or contrived is to be blown up and used as an indictment against our values. We’re not winning anything while waste like this is not only permitted to collaborate with our enemy, but treated as some kind of high-minded voice of reason for it.

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 1:53 pm

      Yesterday, the willfully clueless collaborators at NPR speculated as to (what offence against Muslims) might cause ISIS inspired (Muslims) to do such a thing if it proved to be linked to the attack.

      Muhammad is the example that all Muslims follow.

      • john spielman says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 2:18 pm

        islam hates those who are not mohammedans and who refuse to submit their religion of death darkness and hell and become dhimmis. this young man, Ben, who is so willing to be conquered, with his lack of facial hair would probably be destined to become a “bachi boy”

    • Westman says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 2:58 pm

      Notice his quickness to declare, “..the demagogues implied or even downright insisted that ….. Muslim refugees entering the West are only going to carry out more of such attacks….”

      Since one of the attackers, a Muslim, arrived by boat through Greece with the “Syrian refugees”, on a Syrian passport, this Islamoholocaust Denier, needs to wipe the egg off his face.

  4. R Cole says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:35 pm

    The Left will have us doing the inner jihad – while Muslim terrorists conduct the outer!!

    That’s why we need the diversity of opinion – that the left try to drive out of the public forum – with their hostile anti-racism campaigns.

  5. Wellington says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:36 pm

    Reading this drivel reminded me of that old joke again, to wit, what does the lost continent of Atlantis and a liberal mind have in common? Answer: Well, both have been rumored to exist but there’s really no hard evidence for either.

    • Westman says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 1:55 pm

      Amen.

    • Champ says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 2:54 pm

      Wellington, as an attorney, I’m curious what you think a judge might say if this sort of ridiculous argument were presented in his/her courtroom …btw, I’m already laughing out loud, and you haven’t even answered me yet. 😀

      • Wellington says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 3:11 pm

        I’d like to think, Champ, that a judge would stick solely to the facts and apply the law, but anymore one can’t be sure about so many judges in America and elsewhere in the West. Increasingly, they are legislating from the bench and letting their own personal opinions intrude upon sound legal judgment.

        • mortimer says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 7:33 pm

          Too many judges cannot understand the issue of freedom of expression and are leaning towards a law based on ‘hurt feelings’.

  6. Thomas says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    This whiney self-loathing is S.O.P. for Liberals the World over. They’re going to all learn the hard way about not just “enabling” but about the results of collaborating in Wartime.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 10:53 pm

      True–but even many of the comments–and this on left-wing Salon!–show that they think Ben Norton is a fool.

  7. Every Liberal says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    Islamist are winning because primitive and delusional traditions, such as those that Christians believe, are given legitimacy over logic, reason, critical thinking, and advancement of society. It was CHRISTIANS who lost the Middle East – and one of the great cradles of civilization – to the Muslim hordes. They enlisted in their armies to settle the scores with their Persian and Byzantine masters. And now, legitimizing traditional values (like oh, I don’t know, child brides, homophobia, etc..) is emboldening the terrorists. Your solution to Muslim Shariah is Christian Shariah (worked so well in Rwanda and Balkans, where Christians butchered on another like sheep).

    Traditional values – at least from a social and political realm – is not the answer. They have to be tossed aside, and people have to embrace universal, secular, and modern values. Anything less will lead to sectarian, ethnic, and national division – perfect recipe for the Islamist takeover. If you wish to have your traditional values, have them in your own home, and on your own time – our society needs to move past it.

    • Wellington says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 2:08 pm

      Your moral equivalency thinking, Every Liberal, is showing most glaringly. BTW, exactly how many Christian terrorist attacks have occurred as of late? I have lost count.

      When Christians have killed in the name of their religion, they were violating the tenets of their faith, contra Muslims where Islam is concerned. Huge difference. Couldn’t be any bigger. Would be hard to miss this but you managed to do so. But get back to me when Presbyterian suicide bombers start appearing, Lutherans and Catholics start cutting off heads and Baptists and Methodists threaten death for criticizing their religion and I’ll reconsider things here.

      One last thing: How smart is it to go around insulting religious people other than Muslims when as broad a coalition against Islamic supremacist designs is necessary? Muzzies are coming for us all——-Christians, agnostics, atheists, Sikhs, Hindus, etc. That’s right, insult Christians, religious Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, et al. Shrewd.

      • Westman says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 3:50 pm

        Your’re absoluterly correct, Wellington. We CAN unite around Freedom and self-determination without insulting anyone but those who would enslave us, whether Muslims or the excessively liberal.

        • mortimer says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 7:22 pm

          Muslims are the new Nazis. Islam is theocratic fascism.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 10:55 pm

        Excellent post, Wellington.

      • Demsci says

        Nov 15, 2015 at 1:48 pm

        Well said Wellington, we need a broad coalition, preferably good for a majority in parliament. Even Sam Harris delegates the strife between Atheist and Christian to second position after giving first position to deaing with the threat to Democracy posed by Islam.

        But for seducing more people to defend democracy effectively we the democratic citizens might consider giving up a bit on our TENET; That Islam is all and only evil.

        The likes of Ben Norton profit from this, because the “neutral ordinary people” who know so many nice Muslims, who so deny the accusations against Islam, simply cannot bring themselves to that conclusion of Islam all and only evil.

        What they might bring themselves to accept is the idea that what the moderate Muslims believe is still valid, a legitimate interpretation of Islam but that the interpretation by these vile terrorists of Islam IS ALSO VALID.

        But that means that Islam to those neutrals can be presented as fatally flawed, hopelessly vague, irresponsibly multi-interpretable.

        This in turn enables US to say, sorry moderate nice Muslims, we believe you that your interpretation of Islam is peaceful (even if WE counterjihadists don’t believe that for a minute) but ……

        Due to the indisputable fact that hundreds of millions of Muslims and thousands of terrorists and even whole governments interpret your favorite religion as violent, supremacist, anti-democratic,

        we hold you accountable for clinging to THAT irresponsible faulty religion and we wlll let you face consequences for your choice. We will prohibit immigration of Muslims based on their choice for supporting this faulty religion. Etcetera.

        For a broad coalition we might consider dropping our official assessment of Islam, from all and only evil to irresponsibly multi-interpretable. See if that works against the Ben Nortons of this world.

    • megan lynn says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 4:08 pm

      Yes I believe this was exactly Hitler and Stalin’s take on the world. That worked out pretty well didn’t it?

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 4:27 pm

      Get lost.l Yopu mare one of the reasons why we’ll be kissing a*se in 50 years time. History tells us it is people like you who bring about the fall of great civilizations. And no civilization in history has been greater than Western civilization, but thanks to you and people like you, it won’t exist 50 years from now.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 4:28 pm

        Get lost.l You are one of the reasons why we’ll be kissing a*se in 50 years time. History tells us it is people like you who bring about the fall of great civilizations. And no civilization in history has been greater than Western civilization, but thanks to you and people like you, it won’t exist 50 years from now.

    • Myxlplik says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 5:04 pm

      I wasn’t there, but in Bosnia Serbs just didn’t, and still don’t want to be minorities in a Muslim majority country. Could you think of any better reason to fight, than resisting being a minority among Muslims? If anyone had a reason to fight, it was Bosnian Serbs. Say a prayer for Republika Srpska, and hope stays both ethically Christian, and autonomous.

  8. Allan Mandrowski says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:46 pm

    To be fair, most of the top comments on these articles on Salon are very level headed and blame Islam for these atrocities. It’s just really strange why Salon keeps publishing these articles from masochist writers, even though they get slammed down every time even by “leftist” commenters.

    Salon’s narrative is pretty disturbing.

  9. eduardo odraude says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    The author Ben Norton claims that a tiny percentage of terror in the EU is motivated by Islam. What is Norton’s evidence? He cites an article by Beenish Ahmed, which cites a Europol law enforcement report. The link to the report is below. But here is what a commenter on Ahmed’s article said in response to Ahmed’s citing the Europol report:

    Nice try, but Europol’s own trend report for 2015 comes to the opposite conclusion. Most terrorist acts — if not specifically classified by EU states as religious terrorism — are either separatist acts motivated by radical Islam, or acts committed by psychopathic individuals who have been trained and/or indoctrinated in radical Muslim states.

    I have not had a chance to look at any other comments on that thread. Here is the Europol report. Please read and tell me if the commenter is correct about the report.

    https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/p_europol_tsat15_09jun15_low-rev.pdf

    • eduardo odraude says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 2:50 pm

      I have quickly read through the Europol report — it seems to claim that most of the terror arrests made in the EU in 2014 were “religiously inspired”. As far as I can tell from my quick skim, virtually every time the report elaborates the “religiously inspired” phrase, a reference to an Islamic terror group is made.

      If I am reading the report rightly, I don’t quite understand why the majority of terror arrests are of Muslims, yet according to the same report the majority of terrorist attacks were by separatists. Perhaps separatists were more likely to get away after an attack?

      Ben Norton misses an overall point — unlike the little groups of neo-Nazis, anarchists, left, right, and separatist terrorists, Islamic jihadists are global and have a sea of hundreds of millions of Muslim supporters to swim in. The leadership of the Islamic world and indeed the mainstream of Islamic populations tends to support Islamic jihadists in one way or another, because Muhammad was a jihadist. Nor does Norton know or care about the numerous news stories reporting widespread public self-censorship because people are afraid to criticize Islam except anonymously — afraid of Islamic violence and potential violence against those who speak out publicly. See http://www.quotingislam.blogspot for a list of links to a few dozen stories of notable public institutions and public figures admitting to self-censorship or having to go into hiding etc.

  10. Miao Zedong says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:49 pm

    Somebody explain me why US citizens (I suppose Democrats) should take a hard look at themselves for atrocities committed by muslim Orientals in Europe.

  11. Aardvark says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:51 pm

    “when evidence began to suggest that extremists were responsible for the attacks, and when ISIS eventually claimed responsibility, the demagogues implied or even downright insisted that Islam — the religion of 1.6 billion people — was to blame, and that the predominately (although not entirely) Muslim refugees entering the West are only going to carry out more of such attacks….”

    And the ‘demagogues’ are completely correct! The root of all this slaughter is Islam. How many more innocent civilized westerners have to die before this truth is recognised? When can we start deporting ALL of these barbarians? They have no place in our civilisation.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 3:15 pm

      See what George Whale writes at LibertyGB
      “ANOTHER ISLAMIC ATTACK: GET THESE BASTARDS OUT OF EUROPE!”
      http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6954-another-islamic-attack-get-these-bastards-out-of-europe

  12. guide inside says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    Another p.c. pussy with hyper- liberal vomitus on his chin. Another product of institutions of higher(?) learning.

  13. Walter Sieruk says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    Rather then taking a long hard look at ourselves it’s more fitting to take a long hard look at Islam and the influences of Islam..First , The Islamic singe of brutal and murderous jihad attacks that occurred last night in Paris, France is the sad and tragic yet natural outcome of so many Muslim being allowed to enter into the nation of France. Second those jihadist Muslims, in Paris, who were so brutal and murdering were putting into practice the violence and killing that is part of the teachings of the Koran. To give only two out of many ,for example , from the Koran are 9:111. Which teaches “The believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, they killed and are killed..” Likewise, the Koran in 47;4. instructs “Whenever you encounter the unbelievers strike of f their heads until you make a great slaughter among them…” Let’s face it , using firearms , grenades and other kinds of bombs as those Muslim who are also jihadists did in Paris, last night , can sure make a greater “slaughter among them” then a sword can. Third, one of the things that inspired those jihadist Muslim to engage in those vicious and deadly jihad terror attacks, in Paris, is that they had a strong belief from the Koran ,44:54. 55:56. 78:31. of a sex-filled paradise with many virgins, houris, in it for the male Muslim who dies fighting in the jihad for the cause of Islam as a “martyr.” This bizarre ,weird and nonsensical Koranic doctrine of a sex-filled place with many virgins inspires male Muslims to commit much heinous action of mass murder and terrible chaos. As clearly seen in what happened in Paris last night Therefore, the French philosopher, Voltaire, did have a very good and valid point when he wrote “As long as men continue to believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.”

  14. Westman says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    The uninformed are now putting up Quran 5:32 on Facebook and crying Islamophobia..

    It’s not Islamophobia when their end game is to enslave or kill you.

    • Beagle says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 3:01 pm

      Just copy-paste 5.33.

      Almost hard to believe people are stupid enough to fall for that one any more. But I have learned to never doubt the enduring power of stupidity.

      • Beagle says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 3:06 pm

        Also, 5.32 applies only to Jews by its own terms. Can people read any more?

        • mortimer says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 7:25 pm

          5.32 implies that Israel is the homeland of the ‘Children of Israel’, and that the Jews apply their Allah-given legal code in Israel.

    • Beagle says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 3:09 pm

      Also, by its own terms, 5.32 applies only to Jews. Can people read any more?

      • Katowice says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 3:11 pm

        Read something that might make them uncomfortable? Certainly not. Just retweet or share some empty words that make everything better without requiring actual courage or thought.

      • Mo says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 5:12 pm

        @ Beagle

        “Also, by its own terms, 5.32 applies only to Jews. Can people read any more?”

        I know, right?! It drives me nuts to see supposed adults with the reading comprehension skills of a second grader. You just know the people posting this have never read that chapter, much less the entire Quran. (Otherwise they would’ve seen the very next verse!) They just heard it somewhere and copy and paste it all over the internet.

        This speaks to the greater issue of basic reading comprehension skills of people today. But that’s a separate topic. It just makes me want to rip out my hair by the fistful. When I was in school, demonstrating this poor level of skill at reading comprehension would’ve earned you a failing grade!

        • SpiritOf1683 says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 5:37 pm

          And they never bothered to learn what 5.33 goes on to say.

  15. George says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 2:22 pm

    Incredible!

  16. Plutarchus says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 2:22 pm

    THE ISIS TERROR ATTACK AND MADRID TRAIN BOMBINGS

    Yesterday’s devastating attack in Paris was the worst of its kind in Europe since the Madrid 311 train bombings of 2004. Incredibly, yesterday’s strike occurred exactly 311 days from the Charlie Hebdo shootings of last January.

    Click apollospeaks.com for more on this fascinating subject.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 4:35 pm

      And the worst thing is – Europe had better get used to this sort of atrocity. These atrocities of 150 – 200 will become much more commonplace unless we lance the boil now. France has become the new Nigeria, with its own Boko Haram slaying unarmed citizens, and it will haoppen to other countries pretty soon. We’d better start cleaning house now before our descendants have a future like the novel Caliphate.

  17. Joseph says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 2:38 pm

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/More/Album.aspx/1/84519#.VkeMj7-0-6I

    Instead of political correctness you also can put “Dhimmi pacifist”

    • eduardo odraude says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 3:15 pm

      Ben Norton’s face looks very self-satisfied as well. A characteristic of those who deem themselves enlightened. The rest of us, worried that Muslims in 1 or 2 generations could become a majority in Europe, and concerned that freedom of speech and freedom of religion could die as a result, are supposedly barbarians. But being concerned about the potential death of freedom in the West is not barbaric. I’d stop worrying if the Left would show me more solid evidence that I’m mistaken.

      But the evidence dovetails pretty well in a direction that justifies being concerned about the trend of things:

      1. Core Islamic texts are uniquely totalitarian in social results.
      2. Polls of Muslims worldwide show more than half support at least some totalitarian elements of Islamic law. Hundreds of millions are sympathetic with violent jihad.
      3. Human rights groups report that the Islamic world — in particular the core Islamic region of the Middle East and North Africa — has the worst human rights record of any region. The four other main regions — Sub-Saharan Africa, Asia, the Americas, and Europe, as regions, all have far better human rights records than does the Islamic world.

      Those three points all dovetail and mutually reinforce each other. Islamic core texts and their mainstream interpretation and practice are totalitarian. Anyone who cares about freedom must therefore resist the spread of Islam.

  18. pdxnag says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    I think he is saying that he deserves it, for he can only apologize for his own actions. If he is seeking forgiveness from pious Muslims and from Allah then the koran spells out the most direct route, kill and be killed.

  19. Jaladhi says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 2:56 pm

    Disgusting! Such traitors exist among us!!

  20. Champ says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 3:03 pm

    What a dangerous dolt! This blaming-the-victim drivel is not only backwards, but it enables more evil. WOW he’s stupid.

    • Joseph says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 3:11 pm

      Champ, he is not stupid….I believe the term is **enlightened** and **college educated**

      I just call it indoctrinated.

      • Champ says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 3:55 pm

        This guy is indoctrinated AND stupid …

        stu·pid
        ˈst(y)o͞opəd/
        adjective
        1.
        lacking intelligence or common sense.

        • Joseph says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 4:13 pm

          I forgot to mention one of my favorite phrases “College educated idiot”
          So I concede, you are correct.
          We also could say he is/an::stupid, simple, slow, thick, dull, naive, dim, dense, dumb (informal), deficient, crass, gullible, simple-minded, dozy (Brit. informal), witless, stolid, dopey (informal), moronic, obtuse, brainless, cretinous, unintelligent, half-witted, slow on the uptake (informal), braindead (informal), dumb-ass (slang), doltish, slow-witted, woodenheaded

    • CrusaderGeorge says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 3:13 pm

      But he is getting airtime.

  21. Bradley Lexvold says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 3:19 pm

    Apparently you can scrub comments out of your facebook page as I advertised my ISIS flag burning contest on CAIR’s facebook page in the comment section in 8 of their most recent postings. They had been up at the top of the list for a while and then magically disappeared? Maybe my comments offended them? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKRgv9r61jo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LyEZQOP1vk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYnvgGpajas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YKfbOKDJ2k https://www.facebook.com/events/1030429303655543/ http://www.secedelinks.org

  22. Paul says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    I’m not at all surprised by such callous nonsense being expressed
    by Salon. This video detailing other disgusting views held by them
    tell you everything you need to know about these leftist freaks :

  23. Myxlplik says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    In spite of himself this libtard actually gets it.

    Islam is a form of “Ethno-Nationalism” where the ethnicity is Islam, and nation is the Umah.

  24. Chikita says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    How many people have to die until we finally start to blame Islam for these acts of cruelty? Just imagine being one of the victims. We have to stop defending muslims already, even the peaceful ones are part of the problem.

  25. Al says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 3:43 pm

    This punk is the very definition of “batshyte crazy.”

  26. Mitch says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    “let’s stop blaming Muslims and take a hard look at ourselves”

    Salon may have a point. When a country disarms its citizens, criminalizes speech, and opens its borders to barbarians, and Salon supports those policies, it is time for them to look inward.

  27. Mirren10 says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    This fool looks exactly like a mannequin in a chain store window.

    His ‘brains’ are exactly like the mannequin.

    He is exactly the same as all the other leftard, PC/MC fools out there. I am reminded of that moronic bint, Amanda Lindhout, who, describing her rapes at the hands of an islamic jihadist, proclaimed he was a “victim of his environment”.

    There is absolutely *nothing* that will teach people like this.

    What we must *not* do, is to allow them to drag the rest of us into their suicidal, moronic mindsets.

    I sincerely hope, the next jihadist murder spree, (and there will be one) takes out this wicked, deluded fool, and all the others who swallow his evil and enabling bullshit. A few less cretinous, evil fools in the world is a “consummation devoutly to be wished”.

    The blood hasn’t even dried on the bodies of the victims. May such as he rot in hell.

    • Westman says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 4:02 pm

      It is an axiom of journalism that, to sell the most words for the most income, you must drive down the middle of the road or predict a rosy future. Writers who apologize for Islam will do so until public perception changes and then they change with it or become irrelevant. They are the laziest of followers.

      • mortimer says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 7:28 pm

        Journalists and their editors have not bothered to learn the jihad doctrine.

        They do not understand how warfare could be incumbent on all Muslims until the end of time.

  28. Angemon says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    Any time there is an attack on civilians in the post-9/11 West, demagogues immediately blame it on Muslims. They frequently lack evidence, but depend on the blunt force of anti-Muslim bigotry to bolster their accusations.

    Gonna have to stop you right there, jackass. We *knew* for sure who the terrorists were and what their motivation was in the night of the murder. You wrote this trite the *day after*. Go take a very long walk off a very short pier and spare us from your apologism for murderers.

    • cs says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 8:58 pm

      Sure enough this prick is taking a lot of abuse at their own site.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 10:08 pm

        Absolutely, cs–even at the far leftist Salon site a lot of readers know this tool is full of crap. That is actually heartening.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Nov 15, 2015 at 6:14 am

          Yes.

          After all: precisely because this attack involved murder of people at a couple of trendy ethnic restaurants and a ‘death metal’ rock concert, as well as outside a football game, the Salon audience is probably thinking…”that could have been *me*”.

          Survival instincts *are* starting to kick in, along with ‘pattern recognition’. Subliminally, people may be comparing like with like – comparing these swarming attacks in France, against ‘soft’ civilian targets, with two other attacks – the Westgate Mall attack (which, even if it was in Africa, still, it was in a glossy mall that anybody could recognise as a mall just like the ones *they* like to frequent), and (longer ago, but very spectacular, and in a major city frequented by *lots* of trendy foreign tourists, just like Paris) the Mumbai hotel attacks. And noticing that the only common factor – between attacks in France, attack in India, attack in *Africa* – is…Muslims. Muslims of different ethnicity and language, Muslims belonging to differently-named jihad gangs, but…Muslims acting in eerily similar ways.

  29. LindaB says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    ISIS proudly claimed responsibility for Paris!!!! BUT … let’s not jump to conclusions and blame them first. It is walks like a duck…

  30. Mathew Solo says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    This Cosmopolitan Society a …Secular Humanism…Progressive Pabulum…Pumping Out deceit…Is Removing Our very way of life

    Just as National Characteristics Do Exist…Nations Are Not All The Same…Religions Are Not All The Same…those involved in developing this Muslim system who labeled it a religion of God…they had a chance to observe The Popular Professing Christian Movement of their time which was underway for hundreds of years by the time the Muslim Movement began …This Professing Christian Religion Was Run By Rome…the Romans usurped It from True Christianity which was completely driven into hiding by the third century…Rome was an influence upon these fledgling Muslims…the Muslim movement did observe Religion could be used as a Cohesive Control of the Masses…observing the Romans Doing just That successfully…the Muslim system…was conceived to suit the purpose of those who helped put it together over time…and has shown it is effective for what it was purposed….having this taught from birth can be a very powerful form of brainwashing…to be forced to practice it insures it will not wear off…making it obligatory in public for a show of reciting mindless gibberish is a strong social infliction…to not allow a private search for God is monstrous at best.

    A Social System Based On This can produce citizens that outwardly seem complacent but inwardly have hard hearts and damaged minds.

    No Folks…We Can Not Be Such Open Societies…that We Can Not Defend Our Own Way of Life…Our Own People….Some of Our Laws Need To Be Changed…or New Laws Made

    But I am afraid …

    This can just go on and it is moving so quickly…until provocations cause mayhem…
    Because we let it go until social unrest is ignited…This can get worse.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 10:11 pm

      You’ve made the absurd claim that Rome created Islam before–but it just isn’t so.

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 10:33 pm

      Agree with gravenimage

      Also in reference to:
      “making it obligatory in public for a show of reciting mindless gibberish is a strong social infliction…to not allow a private search for God is monstrous at best.

      Islam’s obligatory public show of reciting mindless gibberish being mandatory is not as monstrous as it is a necessary component of a shallow 72 virgin ideology based on the sociopathic lusts of a despicable pirate posing as a prophet.

  31. mortimer says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    He does not know the JIHAD DOCTRINE and is proud of that ignorance.

    Criminal negligence.

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 6:15 pm

      He probably studied at a university that had a Muslim student organization.
      All Muslim student organizations have terrorist links through Islam.
      Islam is a hate crime against humanity.

      • underbed cat says

        Nov 15, 2015 at 10:51 am

        I believe they are in the majority of universities and colleges…..in the U.S. which once again shows the incredible subversive powers of the muslim brotherhood deception and double speak.

  32. mortimer says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    Ben Norton insists that original Islam is peaceful, but what is the evidence? Mohammed claimed the opposite.

    According to Mohammed, original Islam is jihad.

    Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
    I heard the Apostle of Allah say: When you enter into the inah transaction (become businessmen), hold the tails of oxen (become cattlemen), are pleased with agriculture (become farmers), and give up conducting jihad, Allah will make disgrace prevail over you, and will not withdraw it until you return to your original religion. – Sunan Abu Dawud Book 23, Number 3455

    Conducting jihad is the ‘original religion’ of Mohammed. Mohammed is the authority on Islam, not Ben Norton. His opinion is unformed and therefore without value.

    Caliph al Baghdadi, PhD, provides the theological basis for the attacks. His Islamic knowledge has not been challenge by any leading Islamic expert.

    • Westman says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 5:27 pm

      The stupidity continues, even in The Netherlands where PM Mark Rutte claims Islamic terrorists who carried out the attrocities in France have nothing to do with Islam:

      ‘We are dealing with an armed conflict in Syria and Iraq,’ Rutte said. ‘ISIS is our enemy and that is why we are at war. We are not at war with a religion or Islam and that is the way it is.’..”

      Read more at DutchNews.nl: The Netherlands is at war with ISIS, says Dutch prime minister http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/11/the-netherlands-is-at-war-with-isis-says-dutch-prime-minister/

      Can anyone hear Walter Cronkite turn over in his grave when Mark Rutte stupidly says, “And that’s the way is” ? Typical EU Elite.

      • Monique says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 7:30 pm

        I am a Canadian with dual citizenship with the Netherlands. We would really love to get rid of Rutte. He has his head so far up his ass he can’t see his hand in front of his face. He must have a magic number we haven’t reached yet as to how many people have to be murdered before he has the guts to close the borders. Between the rapes, assaults and demands of the “refugees” with God knows how many radicals mixed in to the fold, this country has gone to hell and it’s only gonna get worse. Once Europe has been taken over, North America is next and there won’t be anyplace to hide anymore.

      • Demsci says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 9:18 pm

        Westman, you have many excellent comments and I agree with you how wrong Mark Rutte is in this, as were Obama, Cameron, Merkel and even Hollande before him.

        I am Dutch. And I know Mark Rutte to be an excellent prime minister, leader of an excellent party (in my opinion of course). And, like it or not, he was CHOSEN. And, like it or not, I for one want to live and DIE in the democratic system, so if a majority takes me down, so be it. I will never be tempted to support ANY minority rule.

        So, let us TALK, ARGUE, somehow seduce 51 % of Western Democratic Citizens. For one thing, Dutch, or Western people, nowadays have a need for fair judgement. And saying Islam is all bad just does not resonate enough with them. But we might be getting more reasonable by saying that Islam is VAGUE (so NOT CLEAR) and this results in wildly varying interpretations.

        This is the take of Mordechai Kedar, who recently argued in Israel News that Islam has it all, for many to pick and choose from, and both the moderate and extremist ends and all in between are legitimate but very varying interpretations of Islam. This makes Islam irresponsibly vague, but not solely bad.

        This reasoning begins to solve a problem that fair people have with the verdict that Islam is all bad, and all totalitarian. It compromises, with good arguments, that Islam has more influence than just bad (for us democratic citizens), but that is JUST TOO OFTEN interpreted in that bad way.

        And THAT makes clinging to Islam in democratic societies problematic. While that is a choice, not an accident of birth. The many possible (but not only) legitimate bad interpretations makes it reasonable for a majority and then a leader like Rutte, to finally diminish total freedom of religion, put conditions upon adhering to religions. And discriminate based on unqualified adhering to religions. They can say: Look, Muslim(a) if you unqualified adhere to irresponsibly vague Islam, then you validate the bad interpretations of it too much and you thereby support that too much, etc. So you must qualify your religious believes with democratic conditions etc. Like Sam Harris and Ayaan Hirsi Ali advocate.

        Please attack the too big freedom of religion in democratic societies, with good arguments, describe Islam as irresponsibly vague, not only bad, rather than attack otherwise excellent politicians, and thereby the all important majority. I ask you, in friendship.

        • Monique says

          Nov 15, 2015 at 7:43 am

          Demsci, in your opinion Rutte is a good prime minister???? 89% of Dutch people would vote against him if elections were held today, including those who voted for him, like you I presume. He and mostly every other western leader has their head in the sand as far as you do. Due to the open border policy the poor immigrants can and have come and gone as they wanted. Oh yes, with God knows how many radical terrorists thrown in the mix. The rapes, assaults,bullying is ramped in this countries many “refugee” camps. Any other religion hasn’t got a chance anymore. Geert Wilders, the only one with some guts tostop it all, is going up daily in the polls. What happened in Paris is just another example of this. He will go higher still and before this is over he will have a majority government and close the borders like every Dutch person wants. It’s now moved to Belgium. That’s an hour away! Close enough for you or do you have to be at a concert also to have some asshole blow himself up in Amsterdam. The problem is Moslem, the younger the better. They get trained and mosey on back here to do their deed. I predicted a civil war in Europe before next summer but I think we passed that bridge allready. The pope is talking WWlll. Rutte has done nothing for his own people and like every other head of state has put every outsider first and left his own people starving and homeless. It takes another tragedy like this to have everyone take a long hard look at the situation and realize that religion is the biggest part of the problem and has been for eons. Without religion we would have nothing to blame anything on. Rutte …..a good PM??? Get your head out of the sand, but that’s just my opinion.

        • Westman says

          Nov 16, 2015 at 2:33 am

          Demsci, I don’t doubt for a minute that Mark Rutte was well qualified for the job of PM at the time he was elected. However the requirements of governing, particularly of protecting the citizens, has changed during his tenure to the point that he is a liability in terms of the country’s security.

          He and others I have watched in the interpreted parliament debates simply brushed off Geert Wilders, accusing him of division and heartlessness when he only spoke the truth. They are still trying to prosecute him for “offending” Morrocans while the jails fill up with Morrocans.

          The Dutch citizens were recognizing how reckless the uber-liberals have been with the nation’s security before the Paris tragedy. Even Mr. Rutte has varied his tune after the Paris attacks but far too late to be trusted again.

          Islamic Ideology is like a bomb. It is loaded with Allah-justified violence waiting for a believer to come along and light the fuse. Syrians speak of friends and neighbors of 30 years with whom they peaceably that now want to kill them in the name of their religion.

          Some of the Muslim friends you have today may be pursecuting you in the future. They have been indoctrinated and yet choose to live peacefully as “moderates” and ignore the prescriptions of Jhad and Dawa. What will they do when pressured and threatened by militant Muslims?

          Anyway, sorry if I offended you. The Dutch are a great people, with great achievements, and do not deserve to lose their culture by conquest or dilution.

      • Demsci says

        Nov 15, 2015 at 1:28 pm

        First of all, I am much disappointed, fed up with this attitude of the political correct and I am going to punish them by voting on Geert Wilders, in order to force them to listen to the people.

        We, well many citizens of Western nations, are the democratic people. And that means the majority decides and yes, the majority knows best! And yes, if it is the majority that let democracy fail, I gladly go down, because I literally know of no better governing alternative.

        We contrast well with Muslims, who are basically sheep, shilling for a totalitarian system.

        And when people express their contempt for Islam, then follow that up with equal contempt for government leaders supported by a majority in parliament, then they weaken their arguments against Islam hugely,

        because what is their criticism and contempt worth if they equally heap it on Muslims and Western chosen leaders, so also on their voters? We can say; Ah, you despise Islam, but ah, you also despise the majority of Western people, so what exactly is your criticism, contempt for Islam worth?

    • Lucretius says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 7:38 pm

      That passage out of Sunan Abu Dawud reminds me of the ending of The Histories of Herodutus. Perhaps the fabricators and plagierizers who created the Islamic canon had it in view. It runs so:

      Artembares…put forward a proposal that the Persians took from him and offered to Cyrus, and it was this: “Since Zeus has given leadership to the Persians and, among men, to you, Cyrus, now that you have destroyed Astyages, let us move from this land of ours–for it is little and rocky, too–and take something better than it. There are many lands next to us and many further off, and if we take one of these we shall be more admired for more things. It is natural for those who hold rule to do so. When shall we have a fairer opportunity than now, when we are rulers of many subjects and of all Asia?” When Cyrus heard that, he was not amazed at their argument but said that they should do as they said; but in that case they should prepare to be no longer those who rule but those who would be ruled. “From soft countries come soft men. It is not possible that from the same land stems growth of wondrous fruit and men who are good soldiers.” So the Persians took this to heart and went away; their judgment had been overcome by that of Cyrus, and they chose to rule, living in a wretched land, rather than to sow the level plains and be slaves to others.

  33. SpiritOf1683 says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    C’mon France, blame yourself for the fact you got conquered in 1940. This atrocity happened becaue you let too many Muslims in during the 1960s and 1970s. You’ve got a 13% Muslim population now, think what it will be like in 2036 when you’ve got a 26% Muslim population, which is even more hardline and sees you even more as a ripe cherry ready for picking. You’ve let down those who liberated you 71 years ago.

    • Westman says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 5:48 pm

      Inside every far left liberal there is a Neville Chamberlain clawing to get out and a coward already present.

      • mortimer says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 7:07 pm

        Inside every Leftarded cultural Marxist is a totalitarian trying to get out without people thinking less of them.

      • Wellington says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 7:10 pm

        Well said, Westman.

      • Jay Boo says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 7:41 pm

        It is already outrageous beyond belief that so many so called moderate Muslims are still not deeply ashamed of Islam and its inevitable bloodbath as happened to children here in Paris.
        Anyone who would willfully enable this shameless Islamic denial is reprehensible.

        • Wellington says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 7:50 pm

          Tending to prove, Jay Boo, that so-called moderate Muslims are actually an even greater menace to freedom than are the most “enthusiastic” of Muslims because they give cover to pure evil. I know you know this but, alas, still so many in the West do not.

        • Jay Boo says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 8:00 pm

          Yes Wellington,
          Furthermore, I believe we will succeed in lifting the veil and rightfully rub their faces in Muhammad’s ongoing disgrace until ‘moderate’ Muslims have no other choice but admit Islam is inherent filth.

  34. ? says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    Disgrace to white people and just people in general. It takes a “special” type of person ot wilfully ignore what’s going on here. ISIS kept threatening that they would do something like this, justified it with their book of hate and they did it. It’s the same thing regardless of origin or ethnicity every time it’s the same group of people with the same motivation with the same book teaching the same hatred–Every Frigging Time. But apparently this guy and people like him want to ignore that. But fine lets use logic:

    1. An attack carried out by Muslims
    2. Said attack was launched by Muslims (ISIS)
    3. Said attack was justified by the book of Muslims amd justified through corporate Muslim silence
    4. Muslims post videos to threaten further violence and bloodshed
    5. Those videos contain references of the Koran and the acts of violence therein

    And Islam is not the problem….

    If it wasn’t such a problem then why would nearly all the terrorist attacks since 9/11 be motivated by Islam and said attacks are looked over, brushed aside, and dismissed as an isolated case?

  35. SpiritOf1683 says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:23 pm

    If all Frenchmen are like him, no wonder France is ripe for the taking. You let the enemy in, now you, and the rest of us, will suffer.

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 6:00 pm

      One morning Anders woke up and said to himself, “If I hear just one more cover up of Islam by the collaborators, that’s it”

      Anders may have pulled the trigger but the elitist collaborators with Islam unknowingly loaded his gun.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 10:37 pm

        Jay Boo, I generally respect your comments a great deal, but this is not the first time you have lauded the monstrous Anders Breivik.

        This was someone who murdered children, who openly admired the tactics of Al Qaida, and said he would be happy to ally with Jihadists.

        The idea that this monstrous psychopath is someone for Anti-Jihadists to emulate is–I’m sorry–just appalling.

        • Jay Boo says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 11:10 pm

          No you are incorrect in your assumption gravenimage
          I do not in anyway suggest that Anders Breivik should be emulated.

          I am merely stating the very unpleasant reality of collaboration that is completely ignored in the media. It is very easy and politically correct to call him a monster while not one media outlet will take on the task of analyzing the full events that were happening in Norway that might have motivated him. Contrast this with Islam where the opposite takes place and the first question the media asks is what might we have done to offend Muslims.

      • underbed cat says

        Nov 15, 2015 at 11:19 am

        I have a very difficult time thinking the Andres Breivik, was not a muslim who just covered his tracks..his destruction was massive. I still think he couldn’t decide and wanted to act for allah.

      • Angemon says

        Nov 16, 2015 at 6:56 am

        JB, Breivik did what he did because he was trying to undermine the CJ movement as to leave his own Neo-Nazi ideology as the only “viable” alternative to combat islamization – he was not some guy who snapped after one too many whitewashings of islam by the media or politicians.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 10:34 pm

      Ben Norton is not French. He’s an American. Just shows you find these suicidal leftist creeps all over the West.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Nov 15, 2015 at 2:43 am

        It seems like “Was American”. And Frenchmen, indeed most Westerners, are like him. This atrocity will be repeated, possibly in Paris but certainly somewhere in the West, perhaps London. And if it is, it will be rinse and repeat – the West turning to self-flagellation, and bringing Israel into the equation. The Israelis are used to this thing and are well ahead of us on the learning curve, and know what to do, but the unlearned PC West criticises them for attempting to do the right thing.

  36. Reggie Destro says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    Yes Ben, some in the west are responsible. The weak and cowardly apologists for the evils of ISIS and their ilk are the ones responsible. People like you. Weakness and cowardice encourage thieves and murderers like these cheap bullies. But all bullies, especially this crop of treacherous hyenas, are cowards. The need to be discouraged as forcefully and swiftly as possible.

  37. jewdog says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    I agree, we are culpable. We have failed to control our borders; we have failed, as the highest levels, to understand the violent and aggressive nature of Islamic ideology, and we have failed to adequately protect our people and culture from barbarism.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Nov 15, 2015 at 2:47 am

      We used to understand the nature of Islamic ideology – the private papers of John Quincy Adams and the writings of Winston Churchill proves this, but more than 50 years of political correctness and branding any criticism of Islam as hate speech has crippled the West.

  38. SIngh the Sikh says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    Even if the moderates are well meaning and constitute the majority, they are ineffective when in comes to controlling the extremists and keeping them in check. Worse, they become obstacles and get in the way of trying to deal with the terrorists. As someone pointed out earlier, some moderates also tend to morph into extremists the more religious they become. The moderates are effectively used by the extremists as a cover to launch attacks. They also become a shield against anti-terrorism measures. The extremists are firmly in control, the moderates are impotent. The bottom line is the more Muslims you have the greater the chances of an attack. Paris looked like Karachi yesterday. What a shame that such a great city has been reduced to this level. With the influx of millions of refugees, it is a safe bet to say things will get worse rather than get better.

    • mortimer says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 4:40 pm

      Singh wrote: “Even if the moderates are well meaning and constitute the majority”

      Singh, dear boy, that misses the point THE JIHAD DOCTRINE determines what constitutes Islam, rather than ‘well-meaning’ people who do not practice the jihad of Mohammed.

      Such non-practicing Muslims are termed ‘hypocrites’ by canonical, authentic Islam. They refuse to participate in jihad by playing it safe, going to work, paying taxes to dirty kafirs and fitting in with the kafirs.

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 8:12 pm

      Mortimer said, — “Singh, dear boy,”
      No need to be so patronizingly flippant with SIngh, morty
      If your statement had enough merit it could stand on its own.

      The bulk of SIngh’s comment is not much different than yours.
      SIngh also said,
      “The extremists are firmly in control, the moderates are impotent.”

  39. sally says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    In comments after posting this, which get slightly heated but more insane than anything i.e. a friend calls me smug, condescending, rude and an idiot after I only report facts and more facts… she then says, stop calling me names!!! I digress. A friend, also A lefty from Chicago, admits to agreeing with “parts of sharia but I wouldn’t want to see it implemented”. This after tell Mr that lefties are about as far from Islam as you can get. Well. There u have it

    • mortimer says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 7:12 pm

      Ask them if they know the jihad doctrine?

  40. underbed cat says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:47 pm

    Dazed and confused……and of course totally clueless…… After Paris are the muslims taking a hard look at the French, most likely not themselves, they are victims. I doubt they will have to examine the ideology, since Norton has clarified jihadist have nothing to do with isis, are not fighting for Allah, since Allah has nothing to do with muslims and muslims have nothing to do with islam, except for the verse to press hard on the infidels…who provoked them ? Shhhh that is your secret.

  41. Typoist says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    If 1.6 billion people believe a foolish, vicious thing, it is still foolish and vicious.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Nov 15, 2015 at 6:26 am

      EXACTLY.

  42. kessler says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    Could someone please explain to me which ethno-separatist terror attacks he refers to? And what’s the nature of these attacks – murder as in Paris, or do they lump it together with vandalism and threats?
    How many people did these separatists murder compared to the jihadists?

    • jewdog says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 6:42 pm

      <<>>
      Some possible examples:
      -The Jammu and Kashmiri separatist revolt against India
      -The Palestinian national revolt against Israel
      -Chechen separatists
      -The Moro rebellion in the southern Philippines
      -Malay separatism in Thailand
      -Turkish separatism in Cyprus
      -Kurdish separatism from Turkey, Syria and Iraq
      None of these have anything to do with Islam, of course.

  43. citycat says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 5:25 pm

    He’s right, let’s look at ourselves and understand why we have let this mess happen.
    We should admit our faults of ostrichism, apologism, and ignorance of Islam’s true propensity to conquer Earth by killing or converting or demoralizing infidels.
    Especially the powers should look at themselves, as if they don’t know already.
    I’m suspicious that the powers know perfectly well what Islam is about, and that they are therefore culpable of letting Islam operate how Islam likes, but from one point of view, that doesn’t make sense unless the powers are suicidal or are true ostriches.
    I recall a professor of comparative religion, 1978, not being so happy with the religious situation, but he said not much, his demeanour did convey his perception of Islam being what Islam is.

  44. traci94 says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    I don’t think I have the stomach to read this, just reading the title of that guy’s article in Salon pisses me off too bad. Muslims most certainly do need to look at what their primary sources teach about Islam. Islam was waging Jihad LONG before Dubya went into Iraq, this guy needs to take a serious look at history, and not history as how he wishes it was written.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 5:34 pm

      The texts of the Koeran tell Mslims to murder us in cold blood. They practiced what they preached in Paris, Mumbai, Bali, Beslan, Madrid, London, New York, Nairobi, Luxor etc etc etc.

  45. Max Publius says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    I’m pretty sure Salon is simply a click bait business whose target audience is people outraged at its over-the-topic leftist content. It’s just about getting eyeballs on ads. Actual leftists have to see this stuff as a satire of the left. Same for the racist/hate sites. Someone in India or China is running these things as a business. One can hope, anyway.

  46. Guest says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 6:01 pm

    The guy is clearly unhinged. That is a seriously impressive level of denial he’s exhibiting.

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 6:58 pm

      HE IS DEAD
      He is afraid of making Muslims disapprove.
      People who confront Islam take varying level of risks to reputation or violence.
      Those who submit willingly without a fight are already dead inside.

  47. somehistory says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    His eyes are dead. Is he moslim?

    Anyone who writes thus is, at the very least, an enabler. He is enabling moslim terrorists by claiming that they are not the guilty party when, in fact, he has to know they are.

    There is a concept in law in the country of the *false confession.* People make false confessions of guilt for varying reasons and under varying circumstances. Sometimes, confessions are not false and many are made for the same reasons false ones are.

    The terrorist who was caught said he was from “isis” and others shouted al a hooey a…r. (I don’t write it because I don’t agree, wouldn’t say it or actually think it for the same reason.)
    Terrorists motivated by islam and only islam, carrying out the wishes of satan under the guise of religion and claiming revenge for the attacks on isis, murdered people in Paris.

    His eyes are dead like the eyes of moslim terrorists. Is he moslim? Or just an enabler of islam’s terror?

  48. Kasey says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 6:34 pm

    Ethno-nationalism and separatism are in reality based on the divisions that all Islam advocates, thus to claim otherwise is to merely divert any analysis from the real issues. These involve analysis of the lethal and discriminatory verses in The Koran and Hadith. To say otherwise is ignorant and appeasement of Islamic sensitivities and a diversion from the truth. That’s why Islam must change…however their leaders and scholars know it will collapse like a house of cards if that its done esp.if death for apostacy is abandoned….thus nothing will change and the terror will continue.

  49. David says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    Obviously, Salon just doesn’t get it. They do not have any understanding of ISIS. ISIS doesn’t attack the West because they think we have committed crimes against Muslims. ISIS attacks the West because they think we are weak. They see a birth rate in decline, they see weakness. They sense fear like a shark senses fear. ISIS attacked France because they view it as one of the weak links in the West. They attacked France because they don’t think France has the stomach to fight. They attacked France because they believe that France will just try to find a way out. You have to be willing to do whatever it takes. Is France up to the challenge? Is Sweden up to the challenge? Is Germany up to the challenge? Is the United States up to the challenge? I don’t know.

    • kasey says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 6:56 pm

      Nothing will change until those nations have the courage to do their own ideological cleansing, unpleasant as it will be. The mind-set of Islamists is uncompromising and must be treated with equal determination.

    • RonW says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 11:21 pm

      Actually, they do attack us for our crime – which is that we aren’t musims…

  50. Michael says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    After last night I kept reading online how islam is peaceful and how these bi-weekly kafir slaughters have nothing to do with islam or their pedophile (KY lubricating jelly be upon him) transcribed holy book.
    Hmmm…so I went back and replayed all the videos of infidels being beheaded like a halal prepared goat– and discovered these peace filled humans weren’t screaming out “Allahu Ackbar” after all… but were politely using their inside voices and saying “Aloha Admiral Ackbar”.
    So no worries everyone, they are just as excited as I am for the new Star Wars movie and all the slicing and raping and acid tossing, yada yada yada has nothing to do with their religion.
    There is no need to panic or be cautious of what more than a few million muslims are doing on a friday afternoon after their calming prayer service and coffee/donut get togethers.

  51. Stop it says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    I blame Islamists. Problem?

  52. roger says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    “2 percent of terrorist attacks from 2009 to 2013”

    Why the 4 years? They conveniently missed out Madrid, London etc. Any time you read the news there’s muslims arrested, plots disrupted or muslims committing acts of terror.

    2 percent???

    There’s been only one major right wing terror attack and that was in Norway, or a few bombs and shootings in Northern Ireland. That’s it.

    The greatest threat is islamic terrorism.

  53. John says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 7:30 pm

    So when we finally get a true revolution happening in the West/Europe I hope we get to see traitors like Carson and all our present leaders hanging from poles. Words can not express my utter contempt for trumped up filthy poofters like him.

  54. Joseph says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 7:31 pm

    This kid should go back to playing with his “barbie dolls” in the land where everything is nice and dreamy.
    No I don’t think he owns a ken doll either.

    If David Cameron and this Ben Norton put their heads together they would make a perfect ass.

  55. Tony Hill says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 7:32 pm

    If Muslims are such great people and you really think we can coexist but people like me are just paranoid right wing nuts. Than you should go live with them and show us how peaceful the Muslims are. And you don’t even have to go to the middle east to live with them. Go to the ghettos of Paris or in Sweden and take your wife or husband with you and if you have young daughters please take them to. When you can prove your social experiment works in a Muslim neighborhood or the middle east. Than I will believe what you are saying. Until than STFU.

    • Tracy Davies says

      Nov 15, 2015 at 3:36 am

      Damn i missed my chance to get on Eurostarr and get killed by the jihadists,i am kicking myself! I hate these vermin with a vengeance i will come over to France and fight with the far right,and why is nobody picking them off as they trail across europe they aint guarded n if they are the guards wouldnt mind their job being cut short,we need to stop them now! Great target practice.

  56. unbeliever1 says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    When is Salon going to set up a bureau in Raqqa?They may be welcome with open arms since they are apologists for Islam.

    • Peggy says

      Nov 15, 2015 at 5:52 am

      Please tell me the education system in America did not produce such idiots and traitors.

  57. kilfincelt says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    The right “demonizes Muslims”? The right doesn’t need any help demonizing Muslims because anyone with half a brain can see that those who practice Islam do it to themselves. Unfortunately, this clueless idiot may end up being among the first to quite literally loose his head courtesy of a believer of Islam. The rest of his little tirade is just socialist nonsense.

  58. Don McKellar says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    As is typical for delusional leftists like this — er, “man” — it, er, “he” is doing what left-fascists do. It is their nature to project their own personalities onto political issues and address them in that manner. In Ben’s case, he almost certainly has quite a number of scars from cigarette burns that dominant sex partners put on him, along with other foul and ugly scaring from stitches in more private parts. A very disturbing childhood was the foundation for his current state. So let’s have a little sympathy for this nutcase.

    • jewdog says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 7:55 pm

      Yes, sympathy. The poor guy probably went to college and was too weak to avoid being brainwashed. Terrorist lives matter.

    • jihad3tracker says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 8:14 pm

      HELLO AGAIN DON ! ! !

      You are definitely a mind reader — of my cranium at least. When I saw the pic of him and read the Salon article, “This guy would love to be bitch slapped by an IS jihadi” was the obvious conclusion.

      • jihad3tracker says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 8:26 pm

        THIS IS BEN NORTON’S WEB HOME PAGE — http://bennorton.com/

      • revereridesagain says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 10:41 pm

        Salon is a snake pit, and my suspicion is that Norton would be well served to avoid Islamic cultures particularly if he happens to have a fear of heights. And blindfolds.

      • Lynn says

        Nov 15, 2015 at 4:16 am

        THAT is a man? Could have fooled me! By all means let’s send him to a moslem country so he’ll feel more comfortable. Where do I send the money?He will be usefl to them I’m sure in the end or one way or another. I bet he’d like to try on a vest what do you think…

    • Tracy says

      Nov 15, 2015 at 3:38 am

      Ha! Bang on lol

  59. John says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    My advice to the french citizens is to arm themselves with good quality composite crossbow’s seeing as they are not allowed to buy guns. You can even fit them with laser sights so you can safely fire from apartment windows when jihadis are spotted in the street. Short swords are also very effective for use in stairwells if terrorists manage to get past a hail of crossbow bolts. Its time for reaction not Muslim appeasement. Hopefully the French will remember Charles Martel on the eve of this tragedy and recall why Islam was once banned in France.

    • gerard says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 7:57 pm

      Islam needs to be banned again. Everywhere in the west. We should have no dealings with Islamic countries. Let them collapse. Send “refugees” to Muslim countries.

      • Wellington says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 8:27 pm

        Islam no more needs to be banned than do other totalitarian ideologies like Marxism and Nazism. What does have to occur is that Islam is properly characterized for the gigantic negative which it is and with its deluded followers being looked upon as total losers. Should this occur, the rest will take care of itself. I do wish more people would get this and desist from arguing for the destruction of Western liberty in order to save it.

        • Demsci says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 8:55 pm

          Well said Wellington, I so agree,

          but I like to augment what you say with saying that the organisers of a conference about defending democracies in Jerusalem (which I read about In Times of Israel) emphasize that we conscious Democratic citizens should be even more conscious and repetitive about the positive sides of democracy and enlightenment and it’s potential for more prosperity and happiness. Which potential is far bigger than that of Islam or any other political system.

          It is as if a conscious minority of Western Citizens should create it’s own “democratic Quran” and carry it with them always, if only in their smartphones and heads. Operating from a position of what they are FOR, which is BETTER THAN Islam, which they can explain very succinctly in an elevator pitch to all within earshot.

          Now, the very legitimate but almost only tenure we hear is How Bad is Islam and How Blind are people like Ben Norton to it.

        • gerard says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 9:07 pm

          Allowing Islam doesn’t protect Western Liberty. Quite the opposite. Your position is too pacifist I would say. Tolerating intolerance is suicidal.

        • gerard says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 9:11 pm

          However I would agree that discrediting Islam would be better than a ban. I don’t agree with your idea that banning Islam is somehow against freedom. Islam is against freedom.

        • Demsci says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 10:15 pm

          I absolutely did not say anything about going on allowing Islam. And I am absolutely in favor of intolerance for the intolerant. I find banning Islam, at least unqualified Islam, a good idea. I don’t understand why people read such positions in my post/ stand.

          I only want to augment to other possible approaches the positive approach, I advocate no opposition to all the other possible approaches, I have only one condition; that all approaches that are carried out are supported or allowed by a majority of 51 %.

          And the positive approach is about extolling the good about the Western Democratic system, it’s potential, the good about some spiritual traditions, some strategies to enhance prosperity, happiness. And emphasizing how they are BETTER THAN ISLAM.

          Perhaps that could be one of our slogans: We know so much that is BETTER THAN ISLAM.

        • Demsci says

          Nov 14, 2015 at 10:18 pm

          Correction: I don’t understand why people read some allowing or pacifist positions in my post/ stand.

        • P0rkCh0ps says

          Nov 15, 2015 at 7:23 am

          Unfortunately we won’t be just fighting the muslims and leftists. We will also be up against a fair size of our own citizens that are still deluded by the meme ‘religion of peace’. For some people this meme will stick until the day they die. It will still stick even when they are being dragged from their homes and about to be beheaded.

  60. gerard says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    I can only think of one word that applies to the likes of Ben Norton: Fool.

  61. James says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 7:59 pm

    Another load of stinking, rotten sewage from the foul fount of muslim propaganda, Salon! Many of the 160 corpses are still a slightly warm from life, and this pipsqueak, pompous ass tells us not to blame the murderers, blame ourselves for forcing them to do it to us. Pity this disgusting twerp wasn’t spewing his bilge in 1930’s, justifying Hitler’s genocide to us. Salon should be immediately shut down and the traitors who run it arrested and charged with treason and accessory to mass murder! These vermin must not be allowed to continue their work for the enemy of the human race.

  62. Gaijinman says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    Hairbrained Salon isn’t qualified to assess haircare products… but anyway nobody will cry when this punk gets an ISIS style haircut.

  63. Sam S. Ara says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    What world do people like Ben Norton live in? Complaining that “pundits” (btw, I’m not a pundit, but I’m guessing that lots of other non-pundits like me knew as immediately as I did who/what was behind the Paris attacks!) had the temerity to correctly predict the ideology and origin of the Paris terrorists? Sometimes I’m not sure who represents the greater danger to civilization—the nutters outside the walls, or the ones inside saying that we should let them in.

  64. jp says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    I hope this deluded little fruit loop goes to Syria and gets beheaded. I really do. The fewer helpful idiots the better.

  65. Don McKellar says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 8:17 pm

    WHOA!

    HOLD ON A MOMENT WITH FURTHER COMMENTS!

    First look into his eyes — DEAD SHARK EYES!

    Yes, I didn’t see it at first. At first he was just an annoying twerp, but now I’ve examined his eyes. Compare them to the eyes of virtually every jihadi. They all have the same look. Dead shark eyes. This is a remarkable phenomenon we’ve all seen and many have noted. Dead shark eyes are the signature look of devout moslems, no matter their ethnic background. And we’re seeing light blue dead shark eyes.

    Ben is a moslem.

    Really, he is a moslem jihadi on stealth jihad. We are all assuming he’s some leftist nut because of his ethnicity and initial appearance. He is working to advance Islam as surely as the terrorists at CAIR.

    • Don McKellar says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 8:21 pm

      The Dead Shark Eyes phenomenon has to do with some sort of chemical change that occurs in the brain washing of Islam. Though those of a religious bent believe it is demonic possession, I as an atheist don’t follow that line. However, it is certainly recognizable and truly merits some sort of scientific study. A meta study of photographs of Islamic supremacists and jihadis would be a remarkable thing. And a follow up with a few physical examinations if that were possible, and chemical analysis of the blood.

      • Don McKellar says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 8:23 pm

        Actually I guess they’re green dead shark eyes.

        I can’t look anymore. It’s too disturbing. Please move onto the next story, Robert.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 10:02 pm

        Don, I don’t think Ben Norton is a Muslim.

        But he *is* a *Hard-Leftist*–not a suicidally foolish but well-meaning “Kumbaya” Liberal, who just desperately wants to believe Islam is a religion of peace, but someone who actually hates the free West and believes we deserve to be punished by Muslims.

        That makes him just about as evil as the Jihadists, and accounts for his dead shark eyes.

      • Mo says

        Nov 14, 2015 at 10:09 pm

        @ Don McKellar

        “WHOA!
        HOLD ON A MOMENT WITH FURTHER COMMENTS!
        First look into his eyes — DEAD SHARK EYES!
        Yes, I didn’t see it at first. At first he was just an annoying twerp, but now I’ve examined his eyes. Compare them to the eyes of virtually every jihadi. They all have the same look. Dead shark eyes. This is a remarkable phenomenon we’ve all seen and many have noted. Dead shark eyes are the signature look of devout moslems, no matter their ethnic background. And we’re seeing light blue dead shark eyes.

        Ben is a moslem.

        Really, he is a moslem jihadi on stealth jihad. We are all assuming he’s some leftist nut because of his ethnicity and initial appearance. He is working to advance Islam as surely as the terrorists at CAIR.”

        You have got to be kidding me! Declaring someone a jihadi just on the basis of how their eyes look in an online photo?! Do you not hear how ridiculous that sounds? Or are you insane?

        Don’t you know that people troll this site looking for ANYTHING they can use to discredit this site in particular, Robert himself, and the entire counter jihad movement?

        If you want to advance outrageous theories like this, create a blog of your own and do so there. (But don’t link JW to it.)

        For goodness sake, don’t damage the work being done on this site by doing it here! Have at least that bit of consideration!

    • MKG says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 11:12 pm

      Hi Don, that was the first thing I noticed, the cold dead eyes of a man without a soul.
      I don’t think he is a jihadi. I think he represents something far more dangerous. Hadjis will try to kill you, and can be killed in return. This man would have you kill youself from within.
      Stay sharp Don.

  66. Edward says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 8:18 pm

    Typical liberal gobbledegook talk to mask the serious crimes of the one’s they enabled!
    Liberalism and Islam are fused together like Siamese twins. They know each other’s secretes!

    • cs says

      Nov 14, 2015 at 8:28 pm

      That is all we have been doing. but they have a free ticket to violence and rape. FED UP.

  67. Jay Boo says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    In the video of the attack, a Frenchman asks repeatedly “What is happening” as the murderous Muslim assault is occurring. That is understandable.

    Salon has no such excuse for their willful ignorance after the murder of all those innocent French children.

  68. gerard says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    ” embrace universal, secular, and modern values.”
    These “modern values” are precisely what allowed Islam into Europe. Catholic Europe resisted Islam.

    • Sam S. Ara says

      Nov 15, 2015 at 6:15 pm

      ….so if we “embrace universal, secular, and modern values” will the Islamists also do so? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure Islamists aren’t much interested in anything “secular,” much less universal or modern (except modern weaponry, of course)…

  69. Jay Boo says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 8:25 pm

    Put bullet holes in a Qur’an and Muslims will claim it as a terrible offense.

    French children — well not so much

    That is what the Qur’an teaches.

    • underbed cat says

      Nov 15, 2015 at 10:38 am

      Jay Boo says: “Put bullet holes in a Qur’an and Muslims will claim it as a terrible offense.”

      “French children —-well not so much.” “That is what the Qur’an teaches”. ….Excellent comment, thank you Jay Boo, for phrasing it this way..it is perfectly true and shows the insanity of Islam.

      For those debating Ben Norton’s faith, just ask him…not sure, maybe or maybe not but it was my first private thought. I agree the eyes were somewhat a window..but more importantly to get the information about the ideology out for the public for whom he has influence.

  70. Badbob says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    Stupidity is strong in this one

  71. Jupe77 says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    WTF! I’m so pissed I think might spontaneously combust!

    We should all be allowed to carry guns, muzzys and people with Middle Eastern backgrounds excepted. If our governments are unable or unwilling to protect us, it’s gonna come to a point where we’re gonna have to protect ourselves. Especially in Europe with that huge influx of “migrants”, I think it’s just a matter of time until people start taking matters into their own hands. If the people in that theater had had guns, I’m pretty sure there wouldn’t have been so many killed or injured. No one wants to live like that, but we’re not living in the 90s anymore.

  72. Ham sandwich says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 9:09 pm

    We need some like and dislike buttons on here.

  73. Ruth peterson says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    Just goes to show, even with the evidence of terrorized and murdered Parisians and visitors all over the streets, restaurants, theaters, and sports events in Paris, you still can’t put sense into a fool’s head aka this sissy Salon writer, Norton. As a fool, he’s chosen willing blindness.

  74. gravenimage says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 9:55 pm

    Any time there is an attack on civilians in the post-9/11 West, demagogues immediately blame it on Muslims. They frequently lack evidence, but depend on the blunt force of anti-Muslim bigotry to bolster their accusations.
    …………………………

    Um…right. Ignore those cries of “Allahu Akbar!”, and the open admission of the arrested terrorist that he was acting in the name of ISIS.

    What are you going to believe–your own lyin’ eyes, or the insistence of the “politically correct”?

    Then the appallingly cognitively dissonant Ben Norton goes on to claim that not only is there no Jihad threat, but that it is all the fault of the West.

    Even more bizarrely, he takes the prevalence of Jihad terror attacks in Dar-al-Islam to be–somehow–not proof of Muslim violence, but of lack of Infidel caring.

    If we were really good people, we would not complain of Muslims murdering us–after all, people in the Middle East deal with this all the time.

    That means he thinks we should just live with this savagery.

    What is notable, though, is that while there are a few dhimmi tools in the comments section, even given that this is far left-wing Salon, a good number of the comments place the blame for this terrorist attack squarely on the Muslims savages who actually carried it out.

  75. Sam Hawkins says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    Hey Ben listen to me. I’m gonna give you a break. I’m gonna give you a break! When I punch through this computer monitor to grasp your windpipe and throttle you… if you can survive without oxygen I promise not to shoot you also.

  76. Islam_Macht_Frei says

    Nov 14, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    So if the Klan were to lynch a Black guy tomorrow, would Norton insist that we withhold comment and “look at ourselves?’

  77. sheik yer'mami says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 12:20 am

    This is the guy who sucked the bong juice!

  78. Aron says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 12:31 am

    THE LEFTISTS NEED PERESTROIKA- BUT GO ON WITH PROPAGANDA FOR GLOBAL JIHAD

    The Left liberals of Political- Media Industrial Complex, are stepping up the Propaganda War even as the shaky foundations of their premise they built the Forts of Political Correctness are crumbling with escalating Jihad attacks.

    They are sustaining this Orwellian Bubble with lies and plain distortions of Doublespeak.

    They are asking you to believe that Al Qaeda is Not Islamic Extremism- simply because it is now fighting a regime in Syria and so is actually ‘etthno-separatist, nationalist’ !
    Even the ‘genocide’ against Yezhidis is not Islamic Genocide but Ethno- Nationalist against dissident separatist yezhidis.
    The attack on Paris is not Islamic Extremism but retaliation of ‘a foreign State for French air force bombing its territories’!
    There is No Danger from Mass Muslim Migration save ‘the danger of Right wing exploiting a single Syrian Refugee among the attackers in Paris’.It is ‘drawing wrong conclusions’ as Merkel tells us- about any such danger.

    The crippling and sheer scale and staggering frequency of Global Jihad attacks- must not be given higher priority than the Leftist Causes like Student Debt or Poverty alleviation. In fact it is a ‘ploy’ of right wing to ‘distract’ our focus from such Real Issues- the Jihad of Islam is not an issue at all!

    We can see this is Propaganda and Misinformation working on mass minds to internalize the Cognitive Dissonance of the Left elite.
    Put in pub language – they are mind fucked and mind fucking us!
    This Global Psychological Disconnect with Reality of Islam and Jihadis and Cognitive Dissonance that is required to sustain this Orwellian world with Double Speak is now the greater problem than Jihadis themselves.

    • Roderick MacUalraig says

      Nov 15, 2015 at 2:57 am

      “Put in pub language…”

      Well said. I like plain talk, sailor mouth plain talk.

  79. ethel mertz says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 1:05 am

    Would Mr. Norton pose this same challenge to the victims in the Mumbai attack? No, because they are not Westerners. How about the victims in the Bali Indonesia attack? Nope, not Westerners. Or, how about the parents of the Nigerian school girls who were kidnapped, sold into sex slavery or forced into marriage to these deranged animals. Would he tell them to look in the mirror? Nope. Mr. Norton is a clown. A spoiled pampered faux intellectual. He couldn’t even wait for the smoke to clear and the bodies to chill before blaming the victim. He better get right with the right wing folk because that’s who’s going to save is soft ass from getting thrown from a tall building, because he looks like that kind of guy….wink wink.

  80. thedon01 says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 1:15 am

    Who the fuck is Ben Norton? Get real these terrorists are Muslim, any commentator who called it, was right to call them Muslim.

    Ben Norton who sat there full of himself and comfortable with his own total ignorance, hoping for some forlorn and stupid reason that it was not Muslims was totally wrong.

    What a total bigot this gut Norton must be, when faced with the full facts he is in total denial, must be a lot of hate for his own kind in there, what sickening self loathing.

    How many more do we harbour in our community, leeches, parasitic traitors, who will expect us to forgive them and protect them when this Islamic tide turns bad.

  81. Doug says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 3:43 am

    THIS is the kind of response I’d expect from the French Surrender monkeys!!!

  82. G. Mason says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 3:48 am

    The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim

    The Beltway Snipers were Muslims

    The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim

    The Underwear Bomber was a Muslim

    The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims

    The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims

    The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims

    The London Subway Bombers were Muslims

    The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims

    The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims

    The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims

    The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims

    The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims

    The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims

    The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims

    The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims

    The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims

    The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims

    The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims

    The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims

    The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims

    The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims

    The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims

    The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims

    The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

    And NOW Nov 14th 2015 The French multiple bombings were MUSLIMS!

  83. Geoffrey Southard says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 4:09 am

    Phobia(def.)-noun
    1.a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

    Islamaphobia is mislabeled. It is not a phobia. It is not an irrational fear. It is completely rational.

    The vast majority of the “people” traipsing across the world today committing acts of terror are Muslims following the teachings of Islam. Is it irrational to fear them when they have been responsible for:
    1. Hijacking jets and flying them into our buildings, driving explosive laden cars and trucks into buildings, blowing airplanes filled with innocent noncombatants out of the sky, taking over school buildings filled with children and then killing as many of them as possible. The list goes on.
    2. Randomly shoot innocent people.
    3. Randomly knife innocent people.
    4. Randomly blow up planes, trains, buildings, bridges, people.
    5. Behead, crucify, immoliate(burn), shoot, blow up and otherwise kill their captives and innocents who don’t follow their perverted belief.
    6. Wish to forcefully impose their laws on defeated peoples
    7. Wish to forcefully impose their religious beliefs on defeated peoples

    Irrational fear? No, I think they have earned the right to be feared and to be singled out as a serious threat to the security of both the world and the United States.

    I posted these comments exactly one week to the day prior to the Paris massacre. Of course you may want to add the latest Beirut suicide bombing and the Russian jetliner to the list.

    GS

  84. BC says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 4:25 am

    Who is this fool? he should go to Gaza and persuade Hamas to cease indoctrinating children with hatred for infidels and Jews in particular, or why not go to Quatar and persuade them that their country is not ‘unsuitable’ for migrants. That is only two things he could do.

    • Drdon says

      Nov 15, 2015 at 9:32 pm

      This guy is a nut case . Typical liberal , socialist , progressive , communist , what ever you want to call them . The assault would have been short lived if the public had been armed . We see the same thing in our country with no gun zones , just plain stupid .

      • Richard Kowalski says

        Nov 16, 2015 at 4:26 am

        This guy sounds like any of the European leaders…

  85. John Collignon says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 4:26 am

    Rich kid liberal fagism is ruining this country

  86. kw says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 7:16 am

    Salon
    This article is absolute garbage and an insult to any thinking person. Lets rip this troll to pieces

    1. “Actual evidence, on the other hand, shows that less than 2 percent of terrorist attacks from 2009 to 2013 in the E.U. were religiously motivated. In 2013, just one percent of the 152 terrorist attacks were religious in nature; in 2012, less than 3 percent of the 219 terrorist attacks were inspired by religion.”

    This is completely not true, but the E.U. is not the region where one should concentrate – in the ME all terrorist actions were motivated by islam in the period noted – in S,E.Asia all terrorist actions were motivated by the islam – In Oceana all terrorist actions were motivated bt islam over the period noted.

    There were several attacks be muslims in Germany and France which were downgraded to murder but these were in principal terrorist activities. Similarly in Scandinavia several attacks made by muslims were downgraded to simple murder/rape charges but should, imho, be ungraded to terrorist actions.

    Usually lone wolf actions are downgraded to criminal but even then then several muslim terror activities ie murder of Jewish school kids etc. have been recorded. The figure of < 2% is rubbish and I will have to check what these clowns did to reinterpet the figures – but this number does not accord with a listing of relevant criminal activities or published reporrts by police personel in the field.

    2. "As soon as the news of the attacks broke, even though there was no evidence and practically nothing was known about the attackers, right-wing pundits immediately latched on to the violence as an opportunity to demonize Muslims and refugees from Muslim-majority countries."

    Not correct – it was some time before islamists were held responsible and this was even af
    ter ISIL laid claim. The analysis has followed, to a large extent, the pattern udertaken after the Russian A321 dissappeared over the Egytian skies – even now the specialists are working out what was done and then blame will be apportioned. The claim that right wing ppeople jumped on muslims in quite untrue, and is simply a disgusting effort to use to deaths of 140 odd people for Salons benefit.

    3."The list of right-wing demagogues who chimed in reads like a Who’s Who of leading reactionaries. In a disgrace to the victims, the shout chorus of conservatives exploited the horrific attacks to distract from and even deny domestic problems. They flatly told Black Lives Matter activists fighting for basic civil and human rights, fast-food workers seeking liveable wages and union rights, and students challenging crippling debts that their problems are insignificant because they are not being held hostage at gunpoint.

    More insidiously, when evidence began to suggest that extremists were responsible for the attacks, and when ISIS eventually claimed responsibility, the demagogues implied or even downright insisted that Islam — the religion of 1.6 billion people — was to blame, and that the predominately (although not entirely) Muslim refugees entering the West are only going to carry out more of such attacks…."

    These statements are pathetic beyonfd belief – but the real question is … why does the Salon publish such mistruth and get away with it???

  87. WCM says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 7:31 am

    One of Salon’s many Pajama Boys.

    • Laura says

      Nov 15, 2015 at 11:53 am

      This guy is one of those described in the recent news article that spoke to the “new man” who doesn’t know the need for a gun…was it in the NYTimes? A few weeks ago…

  88. Fernando says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 8:30 am

    Yes, big bird is the one to blame, you liberal scum.

  89. pongidae rex says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 8:40 am

    The problem is not Muslims or even Islamists. Muslims have not changed their religion, or its violent tactics, in 1600 years. The problem is the unprecedented collapse of Western governance into politically correct magical thinking that has resulted in openly suicidal national policies on immigration and so-called ‘human rights’..

  90. mezcukor says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 8:42 am

    Salon is trash. It is a disgusting and super bias to the left Newspaper.

  91. Andrew says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 9:39 am

    Wow, what utter idiocy. How do people like this form opinions on Islam without knowing a single thing about Islam?

    So, you say most of the attacks were driven by separatism. Would you care to elaborate? separate from what and become what?

    the screams of allah Akbar also mean nothing right. Someone please tell this moron that nearly all conflicts in the world are related to rejecting man – made law, and installing a theocracy based on sharia law.

    I cringe when I read this guys article……such idiocy. He leans on the fact that their are 1.6 billion muslims in the world as though that makes Islam something good. Islamists routinely do this, “so you are saying 1.6 billion people are terrorists”. no you inbred turd. I’m saying that 1.6 billion muslims in the world want to live under a theocracy called Islam, and enforced by sharia law. They all believe that God said that Muslim men are superior to all other beings. and by the way that is not demonizing muslims, that is accurately describing the muslim faith.

    • underbed cat says

      Nov 15, 2015 at 11:09 am

      I agree Andrew…! …especially your reference to separatism and “Would you care to elaborate?”

      Yes,” the screams of allah Akbar also mean nothing right.”, really makes you wonder how that can be ignored.

  92. Mike says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 10:15 am

    I wonder if he is a grad student at Mizzou. ….

  93. fidobite says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 10:50 am

    I can only conclude that norton here is simply a muslim himself spewing taqiya. No intelligent non-muslim could actually be this stupidly self-deluded, could they?? Oh, wait, yes, I guess the libtards are this ignorant. Nevermind.

  94. William Pollack says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 10:52 am

    Is Ben Norton truly this naive and ignorant? Most ridiculous article I have read recently. He is void of reality but typical for the Huffington Post.

  95. Lioness says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 11:06 am

    “Not religiously motivated”? Screaming Allahu Akbar before an attack must be very secular. And yes, we demagogues blame terrorism on muslims because strangely the muslims are always behind those attacks.

  96. m says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 11:11 am

    Hey what % of people killed by terrorism in the last 10 years have been done by this radical strain of Sunni Islam that is the core belief of ISIS? How about that Ben? Islamic terrorism isn’t the only terrorism. But Islamic Terrorism kills at a higher rate when applied. Ben you are a fool who thinks all extremes are equivalent. People like you are very comfortable standing up to some right wing crazy conservative with some backwards view. But you apply a different tone when addressing ignorance in the Muslim world because you don’t want to feel like a bigot. And it is way worse.

    When you talk about the low percentages of terrorists incidents that are religiously motivated are you also accounting for the number of people killed? I mean does Charlie Hebdo or the recent Paris attacks each count as 1 incident compared to some right wing nutjob who does something idiotic but no one dies? Equal weight?

    Ben I know you are trying to be innovative and try to look at this from a unique angle and think “taking a hard look at ourselves” will make some process but you are just a P.C. fool.

    Reforms needed to combat extremist Islam need to come from within the Islamic community. And how about this Ben- what upsets the average muslim more- an insulting drawing of Muhammed or the slaughter in Paris? Most will say the former.

  97. Terry says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 11:13 am

    Will this idiot still believe this when they use his corpse to level the foundations under a new mosque?

  98. Biff Kress says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 12:03 pm

    Liberalism, once, more, at work, proving how blind, inept, incompetent, self-serving, Diversity-Driven Agenda-ized MORONS that they truly are! My biggest fret over the Muslim Re-Location Wave? Young Boy Blunder, the new President of Canada, conveniently parked just to our North, increased his quota of Muslim Male Trash 5-fold. Terrific-any time you see a Mooselim Male on the American Side of Niagara Falls-start quaking in your boots, ’cause they’re not going to be in your area taking photographs of Mother Nature at work.

  99. Truth Seeker says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 12:31 pm

    It is unfortunate Still People have not understood Islamic Terrorism. It is different from other type of Gangster Operations, where once the gnster is caught or killed it ends there. in Islamic terrorism, the Frontliners are nothing. Many even opt for suicidal Terrorism. But those Vacancies get filled or even overfilled up.
    That shows, people behind the Curtain Play the Role. Frontliners are only , Not Brains. Wherefrom the Motivation comes from? It is because of the Ambition to get the Reward of Janaah (Islam’s Paradise).
    Catching and punishing few front liners won’t get an end to the problem.
    So long as People behind the scene who give, money, weapons, manpower etc go unchecked, these sort of problems of various magnitude will occur in future too.

  100. Mike says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    This guy went to Mizzou

  101. Robert says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    The key words here are “religiously motivated”. If the guy was recently fired, they call it “workplace violence”. If the victim was a family member, they call it domestic abuse. If you look at the rape epidemic in Sweden, it is a problem with Islamic immigrants who are taught that by their religion that women’s only purpose is to satisfy male lusts. They may not be motivated to rape by their religion, but it encourages the behaviour. Also, Islamic immigrants make up a small fraction of the population. The correct way to analyze the violence would be on a per capita basis, not to say that Islamic violence is only 2% of the violence in a country with a 5% muslim population.

  102. Beefburger says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    “It was probably not the Amish”: Bill Maher urges liberals to wake up about Islam after Paris attacks http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/it_was_probably_not_the_amish_bill_maher_urges_liberals_to_wake_up_about_islam_after_paris_attacks/

  103. Beefburger says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    “It was probably not the Amish”: Bill Maher urges liberals to wake up about Islam after Paris attacks

  104. RC says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    Salon Sodomites are profoundly mentally ill–they are doubling down on their insane promotion of Islamic terrorism.

  105. Peter1589 says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 5:14 pm

    Indeed a hard look at the moral crimes since the 60’s would indeed show why God has sent liberal idiots to run wester nations so they will be stupid enough to permeate their societies with a tribe of Agar’s kids to punish us for the crimes of sex, drugs and rock ‘n roll. Read Isaiah 10 for an exact example of God’s viewpoint of what He thinks about our sins.

  106. Tim Ray says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    and folks are wondering why the campus has become marching morons…..read a bit of history sir…ROTFLMAO https://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/list-of-islamic-attacks-against-america/

  107. Jae M says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 9:53 pm

    He is insane. There is a great denial of truth in that generation. If this was the dirty thirties and Al Capone had shot up 150 citizens on the streets, this guy would be saying “let’s not blame the Mafia, let’s take a hard look at ourselves”
    Seriously, this guy probably has no idea how ridiculous his argument is.

  108. David Hayden says

    Nov 15, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    Words! Words! Words! Seriously read the words of the Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira (biographies of Muhammad). Lots of words there. Read them and sift out the meaning. I’m not sure which is worse: the murderous massacres perpetrated by Islamic jihadists at a rate of almost 2,000 a year since 9-11 or Salon’s lack of understanding the words which provide meaning into motivation of supremacist Islamic jihadists. I hope your education is worth the effort.

  109. dajjal says

    Nov 16, 2015 at 2:32 am

    3:151, 8:12,39,57,60,65,67, 9:5,29,38, 39,111,120,123, 33:26,27, 47:4,49:15, 59:2,13, 61:10-13; Sahih Bukhari 1.7.331 & 4.52.220.

    Allah’s imperatives, threat and promise: Go to war and enter paradise; sit at home and enter the fire. Where ya wanna go? Salon’s authors and readers ‘think’ with their anal sphincters. I do not read their farts.

    The Noggers worried about gettin shot by pursuing policemen would have no worry if they were not engaged in criminal activfity. The demanding ne’r do wells bitching about low wages should have got degrees and real jobs. None of them will have any worries after Muslims behead them or blow them to smithereens.

  110. Polako says

    Nov 16, 2015 at 10:17 am

    It’s funny because I found this from two years ago (sorry of someone already mentioned it). http://www.salon.com/2013/11/17/meet_the_catholic_extremists_who_could_shatter_the_church/
    It seems Salon is more than happy to talk about Catholic extremists and not separate them from their religion, but with Muslims, oh no no no.

  111. Plutarchus says

    Nov 16, 2015 at 10:36 am

    THE MORE THINGS CHANGE

    the more they remain the same. Just as the America-hating, anti-Western Left blamed the Cold War on the West’s “inordinate fear of communism,” so now they are blaming Islamophobia (inordinate fear of Islam) for Islamic jihad. Do they ever get anything right?

    http://www.apollospeaks.com

  112. Valentina says

    Nov 20, 2015 at 6:39 pm

    According to Salon, the Muslims can do no wrong – not even when Islam proves itself to be the most violent, intolerant “religion” time and time again. Anyone who doesn’t have a problem with that needs their head checked. People on the far left have this misguided notion of tolerance. Who says we should tolerate everything? Like the saying goes – if you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything. And this insane devotion to political correctness will be the death of this country. It’s cultural suicide.

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