Drawing Muhammad is not illegal under Dutch law or the law of any other Western country. It is only illegal under Islamic law. The Dutch police, in confiscating these cartoons, have become enemies of the freedom of speech and free society, and enforcers of Sharia.
“WATCH: Police Confiscate Mohammed Cartoons At Dutch Anti-Islam Rally,” by Nick Hallett, Breitbart, November 9, 2015:
Police seized “offensive” Mohammed cartoons during a demonstration by the Dutch branch of the Patriotic European Against the Islamisation of the West (PEGIDA) movement in the city of Utrecht this weekend.
The rally, which attracted around 150 supporters, criticised the “Islamisation” of the Netherlands, with demonstrators also expressing their support for the Freedom Party of Geert Wilders, a noted critic of Islamism.
DutchNews reports that police arrested 32 people at the demonstration for a variety of offences including failing to carry IDs, not following police orders and displaying “insulting banners”.
One such banner said the “Koran is poison”, while another claimed “Islamisation is EU-thanasia”.
Video footage emerged of police removing Mohammed cartoons, although their ultimate fate is unknown.
Utrecht City Council had banned the demonstrators from marching through the city so they gathered instead in a park on the outskirts of the city.
The PEGIDA marches started in Dresden, Germany last year as “evening strolls” through the streets every Monday to protest against militant and political Islam. The marches soon grew and spread across the country, but died down again at the start of this year to point where most commentators assumed the movement had petered out.
However, as the migrant crisis intensifies in Europe, especially thanks to German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s relaxed border policies, the marches have started again and are growing….

Mo says
So it begins.
Or rather, continues…
jihad3tracker says
Perhaps one or more of our allies in the AMERICAN counter-jihad herd will see or hear about this, and at the next “anti Islam” demonstration, will display similar items.
WHAT U.S. POLICE AT THE EVENT DO WILL BE VEEEEEEEEERRRRRY INTERESTING. And probably the basis for a landmark 1st Amendment case.
Emma says
So many countries corrupted and betraying their citizens, quite amazing. No ethics just greed
Daniel Triplett says
Perhaps Trump called Geert Wilders to call them all stupid morons for displaying Muhammad cartoons and insulting all the Muslims. “What the Hell are you guys doing taking risks insulting Muslims?”
Radegunda says
As I recall, Trump’s expression was more like “offending everybody.” But his fans still insist that he’s the only one who will fight against the Islamic scourge.
Paul says
I don’t know anything about the nature of the cartoons or if they
did anything to this effect, but they could have produced an image
of a man – any man – and words such as “paedophile” ,”rapist”, “madman”,
“murderer”, “narcissist” etc. beside him. Since the police seized the images
believing them to be of Muhammad then they themselves could be prosecuted
for ‘islamophobia’ for linking such negative characteristics with the ‘prophet’.
Angemon says
That’s a… BRILLIANT slogan!
*sheds tear*
It probably has something to do with the persecution against people daring t speak against the narrative – posting something deemed “xenophobic” on Facebook can cost them their work and children.
PRCS says
A Breitbart commenter sarcasm:
“How can you confiscate a cartoon? …Halt!….’Are you carrying an offensive cartoon?’
…’Yes officer, I’m a cartoonist’
…’Is it loaded?’
…Yes, It’s full of irony
‘I’ll have to confiscate that you know!….Do you have any others?!’
….How many do you want?
Sam says
Sick liberals, socialist and communists. Like cartoons have ever beheaded people. Crazy people. Why don’t they just kill themselves instead of helping Islam?
wildjew says
“I watched Pam prior, and it looked like she’s just taunting everybody,” Said Trump. “What is she doing drawing Muhammad? And it looks like she’s actually taunting people – and it’s disgusting that it happened and everything else. But why are they doing drawing Muhammad? Isn’t there something else they can draw.”
Cunamarra says
They are going to have to ban a great deal more than just pictures of an evil man, if they are going to keep his admirers from pitching fits of rage.
Things like educating girls, celebrating Christmas openly, Equality Before the Law, individual choices in life, women openly displaying their beauty, punishments for murder or rape when the aggressor is Muslim and the victim not, seeing eye dogs, jello, art, music, love, and an infinite list compiled of all things that bring joy, refinement and dignity to this life.
In the cacotopias Islam creates, Islam has a final solution to all these things.
somehistory says
IF the rapist, murderer ever actually existed…if he even lived…there is no one living today who ever saw him. No one knows what he looked like exactly. Since it is okey dokey for moslims to name their children after the evil one, and some converts to evil take on his name, then when someone draws *mohammed, mohamed, mohommad* or however that one chooses to spell the name, how can the police or any moslims be sure it is a drawing of the evil raper of children, murderer of many? Maybe it’s just a drawing of the neighborhood rapist, murderer or wannabe.
The ones being arrested for having the materials…cartoons or words…should bring this fact to the attention of the authorities.
Cunamarra says
The Idea of him is detailed in their scriptures and if they rape or murder, they are emulating this supreme example. Whether he existed or not, the idea of him remains.
I know that for decades US and Nato forces have been training Islamic nations in military and police weapons, tactics, structure, and procedure with generous exchange programs. Perhaps there has been some reciprocity in this training and the Dutch police are taking lessons from the mutawween of the CPVPV.
somehistory says
But any likeness of an arab…bearded or not…long, scraggly hair or bald as a billiard ball…dark eyes with wild brows…one could very well draw any moslim that one happened to see on the street or in the news…label it *mo hamm ed* and create a riot.
My point is…since no one actually knows how large his nose or ears, how long his hair…since they can’t use math, they can’t know how many c or m or even inches…so rioting and killing because someone makes a drawing and says it’s the rapist of the desert is just plain idiocy. They make trouble over nothing…as Jesus said about the Pharisees…”swallow a camel and choke on a gnat”…they let nothing go by.
Many *portraits* have been painted and then labeled Jesus…but since there aren’t any photos, no one knows which *Jesus* they might resemble.
The moslims and their supporters or those who fear their violence just use the drawing to get their way, to take away the freedom of expression from everyone else.
In court, the artist could say he/she painted a mo ham ed he saw in the news and how could they prove he did not? Of course, it matters not to those who wish to control the rest of us.
vlparker says
What utterly despicable cowards.
Wellington says
Demonstrating once again that running interference for evil, making excuses for evil, cooperating with evil is actually worse than evil itself. Just imagine, for instance, if virtually every Western nation was overwhelmingly ready to read the riot act to the Islamic world, if Islam would be characterized by almost everyone in the West as the spiritual fascism which it truly is. Islam would then be on the defensive everywhere, the West would be calling almost all the shots and the iniquity which is Islam would soon be relegated to complete loser status, where it so deserves to be. And the West would be infinitely safer were this the reality.
Alas, quite the opposite is the case and so the malevolence, the freedom-crushing ideology which is Islam, is given new life time and time again, courtesy of extremely foolish dhimmis in the West. A greater amount of madness, cowardice and stupidity would be hard to find in all of history.
Edwin1683 says
Wellington, you just nailed it 100%. If only the West were standing firm, how different things would be.
voegelinian says
Well, the mainstream West is not standing firm. So that’s what the Problem becomes — the Problem of the Problem: the problem of the West’s persistent myopia to the problem of Islam. It’s those “damn Leftists”, I tells ya…
epistemology says
Spot on Wellington. The Westerners have to become conscious of the superiority of their values and defend them against the barbaric ideas of a stone age religion. It hurts to see human rights infringed in the Netherlands, once the most tolerant country in Europe maybe even in the whole world. The Dutch tolerance used to work fine between Protestants and Catholics but it doesn’t work with Islam, the Nazi-religion. The decline of Europe can make you cry.
You said something wonderful last time, yes I’d love to meet you, too. Hope it’s possible my friend
All the best to you and yours
Sheila Novitz says
Agreed. Very well said. Thank you. But we speak/write into a void. Those who could have done something, have done nothing apart from enabling and collaborating in evil.
abad says
The time has come for the Netherlands to round up every single Muslim on their soil and deport them all back to the Middle East. And close your borders to Muslims.
Muslims
voegelinian says
“The time has come for the Netherlands to round up every single Muslim on their soil and deport them all back to the Middle East. And close your borders to Muslims.”
That time is long past; but the West will drag its heels on this for another few decades — not only in the Netherlands, but in all the Otherlands of the West.
Meanwhile the Chicken Little Wing of the Counter-Jihad says “We don’t HAVE another few decades!!! Muslims are taking over NOW!!!” — even though they usually balk at the idea of total deportation. Once we factor in the reasonable conjecture that Muslims are going to get worse — horribly worse — in the coming decades, the eventuality of their total deportation is not a matter of If, but only of When. Will it be before a few million of us are mass-murdered by Muslims, or after? Silly me, but I would rather it be before… But such a sane, rational, perfectly legal policy of self-defense appropriately contoured to the actual nature & dimensions of this unique enemy will not happen by itself, nor be hastened, in free societies unless more and more people of all walks of life begin to think it. The Counter-Jihad Movement (“such as it is” as Diana West has wryly remarked) logically would be the one locus of the sociopolitical consciousness of the West where such an unthinkable thought could begin to gain traction, and from there to be part of the spearhead in a war of ideas to wake up our fellow Westerners. I say “would be” — if only so many Softies did not abound like vast pleasant hillocks of spongy marshmallow throughout its ranks.
Theodoric says
To defend our freedoms from the vile religion of the vile “Prophet” Muhammad:
We first need to DRAW the vile “Prophet” Muhammad, so we don’t forget what he looks like:
https://drawthevileprophet.wordpress.com/category/the-vile-prophet-muhammad/
Jeremiah says
The Netherlands took the brunt of religious persecution in the 16th century with half a million Christians killed. The enemy was a theocracy and the result of winning was peace and prosperity. The Dutch should be ashamed of allowing some of its citizens to turn their backs on their ideals, their flag, their security and their common sense. four hundred sixty years ago the revolution started in a small city, Den Briel, Op 1 April 1572 verloor Alva zijn bril. Now the Dutch need their own glasses to see the danger they are in. They should see that they may lose thousands of lives now or millions later or they may finally be exterminated as a Christian culture after all. This is the clear choice. After 1572 the battle lines were drawn. Patriots versus Traitors. Again there are those who will not salute the flag. They are mainly in the mosques. Will the Netherlands be a shining example for freedom now as it as in 1572?
Wellington says
Making it all the worse, Jeremiah, is that so much of what transpired in the 16th century was in violation of the Christian theological blueprint, as I think William the Silent, among others, understood quite well at the time. By contrast, the rot now occurring in The Netherlands is very much in fulfillment of a drastically different theological blueprint, one which is a mortal enemy of freedom as Christianity in theory never has been. And I assert all this as one who is not religious in the least but also as someone who views Islam as spiritual fascism to the core of its malevolent being.
Steven says
Mr. J. , the police in The Netherlands are low adjucated generally , it is probable that the police never have seen the muhammed cartoon of Mr. Westergaard , the cartoons were not shown on tv but in an extremely short moment
Mike says
When you think about it for a while, the inescapable conclusion is that Islamofascists work just like bullies. They continuously push the boundaries, hoping that others retract, “to keep the peace”.
This is what the Dutch police are cooperating in.
Want to end creeping Islamofascist tyranny in the West? Get the police, prosecutors, law, etc on board, then demonstrate every Friday, waiving Mohammad cartoons. Videotape everything. Anyone attempting the slightest unprovoked violence gets 5 years in jail, plus deportation if possible, NO EXCEPTIONS. By the third week and 50th arrest, you’ll be able to fly Mohammad cartoons from a flagpole in front of your house without even fear of spraypaint.
The basic problem is that there’s no enforcement of non-Islamofascists’ rights.
Dave J says
Once the police start enforcing Islamic law and confiscating or making illegal everything Muslims do not like, the battle is over and Islam has won. This seems to be the case already in most of Europe.
Because the police have a duty to keep the peace they have, by threats of violence from the Muslims, been tricked into enforcing Sharia. Aren’t we supposed to stand up to bullies?
Voytek Gagalka says
“Police… confiscate (and) arrest (those) displaying insulting banners”.
When Dutch police will show similar rigorousness in arrests and confiscation of banners produced by all those angry Mohammedans, like: “Islam will dominate the world”, “Behead those insulting Islam (Muhammad)”, “Freedom go to hell”, “Punish those who insult Islam”?
mortimer says
Voytek asked when Dutch police “will show similar rigorousness in arrests and confiscation of banners produced by all those angry Mohammedans”???
It seems the Dutch police are ENFORCING the will of the angry Mohammedans: they are helping them to 1) conquer the world 2) sending freedom to hell 3) punishing those who insult Islam.
sidney penny says
“Behead those who insult the prophet of Islam”
http://michellemalkin.com/2012/09/15/hey-look-its-the-return-of-the-behead-all-those-who-insult-the-prophet-signs/
I’ve been reminding you since news first broke of the jihadi attacks on our embassies and consulates that the Religion of Perpetual Outrage will find aaaaaany excuse for a riot. And they’ll manufacture anaaay excuse to recycle their centuries-old call to behead the infidels who dare to breathe, speak, draw, write, or think the wrong things about Islam and Mohammed. In 2007, my column titled “Behead All Those Who Insult Islam” alluded to their favorite bloodthirsty mantra. And I’ve pointed you many times to the infamous London Islamo-goons calling for the beheading and slaying of cursed insulters of Islam during the manufactured Mo cartoons riots.
Well, they’re baaaaaack.
voegelinian says
As Stephen Coughlin notes, these various inflammatory outbreaks of Muslims over the years appear to be orchestrated by the OIC, in order to produce responses & reactions from the West favorable to the spread of Islamic shariah in the West. And that’s exactly what happens every time. The only thing the OIC could not have banked on is just how willing the West would be to bend over to receive Islam up its rear end — more so than the OIC’s wildest dreams. (Note, for practical purposes, “OIC” = all Muslims, minus the ever unspecified multitudes of Muslims exempted by the Counter-Jihad Softies (e.g., the “Muslims who don’t know their Islam” or the “Muslims too afraid to apostasize” or the “Muslims who are lax and don’t really care about Islam”, etc.).
Georg says
Where can I file a complaint with the Dutch police for the Koran insulting me?
sidney penny says
Here is someone who tried.
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/tcqp/index.htm
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/tcqp/chii4.htm
The Calcutta Quran Petition
The Koran, also spelt as Quran, the so-called religious book of the Muslims the world over.
It is a Book which incites violence, disturbs public tranquility, promotes, on ground of religion, feelings of enmity, hatred and ill-will between different religious communities and insults other religions or religious beliefs of other communities..
Non-Muslims have to learn to knock out Islam’s ideological fangs which are rooted in the Quran.
The Book has verses which preaches cruelty, incites violence and disturbs public tranquility.
The book promotes religious enmity, hatred and ill-will between different religious communities.
The book insults other religions or religious beliefs of other communities.
While the Koran abounds with saying which incite violence, insult the religious beliefs of other communities and even exhort the Muslims to kill and murder non-Muslims, the problem is aggravated by yet another fact which has been true in the past and is universally true in our own times that unlike other communities Muslims are, and even fresh converts tend to become, highly orthodox people and follow the sayings of the book with a fanatical zeal with the result that whichever country has their sizable number amongst its population can never have peace on its soil.
This was said in 1985 and it is still true today 2015
The offending expressions contained in the Koran and quoted above are not so offensive in their translation in which they are so quoted as they are in the original verses in Arabic or in Urdu, the very sound of whose inimitable symphony not only sends the Muslims to tears and ecstasy but arouses in them the worst communal passions and religious fanaticism which have manifested themselves in murder, slaughter, loot, arson, rape and destruction or desecration of holy places in historical times as also in contemporary period not only in India but almost all over the world.
gravenimage says
Sharia in the Netherlands: police confiscate Muhammad cartoons at freedom rally
……………………….
So much for freedom.
We’ve seen this before, where Infidel police enforce ifso facto Shari’ah law. *Ugh*.
Curt Lehman says
I live in Blaine, Minnesota, USA, and I will be goddamned that this will happen here. It is a good way that people, other than me, will get hurt or worse, while exercising my God given natural rights to free speech, which is defended by the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
gravenimage says
Curt Lehman wrote:
I live in Blaine, Minnesota, USA, and I will be goddamned that this will happen here.
…………………..
Alas, Curt, this is *already* happening in beautiful Minnesota:
“Minnesota Muslims brutally honest: ‘We want Shariah’
http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/minnesota-muslims-brutally-honest-we-want-shariah/
Blaspheming the ‘prophet’
Then the questions turned to Islamic blasphemy laws and the controversy with people depicting the Muslim “prophet” Muhammad in cartoons.
“How does that whole thing make you feel?” the interviewer asked.
“That really pisses me off, you know what I mean. I mean, they know it is a button to push,” said the young man in the baseball cap.
“It makes me angry,” said the man in the sunglasses. “Everyone gets like the big freedom. And then, they don’t see that, the freedom that they’re getting is causing a problem. And causing hatreds for other people.”
Would it be better if we made it illegal in America to make fun of the prophet Muhammad?
“Definitely yeah,” he said.
“So in a way, they kind of deserve whatever happens to them?” he is asked.
“Yeah, yeah, every action has a consequence,” the young man in the ball cap said.
“Do you think we should make a law that makes it illegal?”
“That would be better, yeah, that would be better,” said the man in the plaid dress shirt. “To stop, you know, aggression.”
‘I was so upset, so mad’
Then came another Somali man with a beard and a jacket. He was more animated than the others.
“I was so upset, and I was so mad. They insulted our religion. They insulted our prophet, and we couldn’t take it,” he said, shaking his fist and flailing his arms.
“And you shouldn’t be allowed to do that?” the interviewer asked.
“Oh my God, big time, yes!” he answered.
They were then asked if they understood the motivation of people who struck back violently against such depictions of the prophet.
“Yeah, I understand totally where they’re coming from, yeah,” said the young man in the ball cap.
‘Is it right to kill someone who insults the prophet?’
“Yes,” said the bearded man with the animated personality. “Because when you, every day you face frustration. And you know, every day you have, uh, you’re mad, or somebody says that, and you feel hate your soul. You could do anything you wanted. If you committed suicide, you don’t care, because your heart, your heart is telling you, ‘I don’t want to live no more,’ because you couldn’t take that much hate. Or you, you kill someone.”
The interviewer got even more pointed with a reference to Pamela Geller, who hosted the cartoon contest in Garland, Texas, earlier this month that was attacked by two Muslim men.
“Is it right to kill someone who insults Muhammad?”
“Yeah,” said the woman in the pink hijab. “Because she is just, she had her religion, I understand, but she shouldn’t pick on the prophet, you know.”
“So you understand why people would want to attack her?”
“Yeah,” the woman stated.
…..
And sadly, it’s not just aggressive Muslims–Infidel authorities in Minnesota have been enabling Shari’ah, as well:
“Univ of Minnesota tries to censor speech, ban Charlie Hebdo event poster”
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2015/04/30/univ-of-minnesota-tries-to-censor-speech-ban-charlie-hebdo-event-poster/
Of course, this is not just happening in Minnesota–police have also targeted Anti-Jihad protesters rather than the Muslims threatening them in San Francisco, Berlin, and London.
DeKadt says
I’m a Dutchman, and I can expand a bit on this. Although Holland is the home country of probably the most known islam critic, Mr Wilders, and right now, his party the PVV -or Freedomparty-, is leading all the polls in support, getting 25 to 30% of all votes for the next election next year, the anti islam movement in a organised form, is still young in Holland. Pegida is a German movement but getting a foothold in Holland. Support is growing but in the press, supporters of any anti islam movement is quickly branded as nazi’s a/o far right.
Even though most supporters are everyday Dutchmen and -women. Criticising islam is enough to be harassed by police or banned to hold demonstrations. Islam seems to get a pass as it hides behind the veil of religion. Something like that. It seems the Dutch authorities have decided that criticising islam is wrong. Every time islam gets bashed, the authorities step in. It’s been the same with Mr Wilders courtcase a few years back. He was aquitted, but not before the Judge explicitly mentioned that islam was not on trial.
It stands to reason, that now again, protesters against islam in general will be arrested or frustrated in their actions against this ‘religion’. It seems that the political elites and it’s counterparts, the judicial system, have made their minds up that islam, as a politcal doctrine, is not to blame here. What people do with the islamic commands is one thing, but islam as whole is NOT at fault. And that is why demonstrators are being harassed by police and politcians.
We still have a way to go before mainstream media and politics in general start seeing/facing the facts on islam: as a political doctrine with a complete set op blueprints for a totally different society, far removed from anything resembling democracy and a civil, tolerant society, where the rule of impartial law leeds the way. We must keep on marching.
voegelinian says
“What people do with the islamic commands is one thing, but islam as whole is NOT at fault. And that is why demonstrators are being harassed by police and politcians. ”
It’s a bit more complicated than that. Or, to put it another way, that is only half of the reason why mainstream Western authorities tend to suppress excessive criticism of Islam (where “excessive” is, of course, relative).
In a nutshell, there are two reasons that, when put together (as they are in the incoherent minds of anxious Politically Correct Multiculturalists, who abound throughout the West), seem to be paradoxical:
voegelinian says
(To be continued…)
voegelinian says
Two reasons why anti-Islam demonstrators are harassed by police and politicians (who, needless to say, are PC MCs (Politically Correct Multiculturalists):
1) the PC MCs are afraid of Muslim violence – it’s the “hornet’s nest theory”. Semi-consciously, PC MCs regard Muslims as a volatile, inflammatory demographic ready to blow like a powder keg at any public shows of anything vaguely anti-Islam. So, when non-Muslims do anything that might disturb that “hornet’s nest” too much, the PC MC authorities seeks ways to curtail that, in order to prevent the inflammation of Muslims. The reasonable person may ask: Why don’t the PC MC authorities curtail & curb the Muslims? Well, that leads us to #2:
2) PC MCs are deathly afraid of being “bigoted” and “racist”. And since they perceive any negativity directed at Muslims to be a species of “bigotry” and “racism”, they do their utmost to avoid – or prevent – such negativity.
These two vectors are paradoxical and exert a centrifugal force psychologically on the PC MCs; and the resultant strain only causes them to redouble their Denial.
DeKadt says
I can agree with what you wrote, Voegelinian. It is indeed a paradox. The PC-MC’s are indeed torn between two lines of thought. It is a fact dat islam-critique is crushed as much as possible for the fear of being labeled ‘racist’. Of course, what islam has anything to do with race is beyond me (and many others).
Criticizing islam is criticizing a doctrine, a ideology, an idea. Things like religion, culture and way of life are spinoffs from this, but can never be the main focus. The main focus should always be on what lies behind this. And that is in this case the three main components comprising islam: the koran, the hadiths and the sharia. These three components are the backbone of islamic thought, of islamic doctrine and islamic history.
To scrutinize and critcize this, can not in any way be seen as racist. The problem with the PC-MC’s, is that they forget that western civilisation was built on freedom of thought, on individual freedoms and the right to doubt, criticize, reject, oppose and or refuse. These freedoms were obtained through struggle, revolution and even war. Especially in Europe. No continent has seen so much bloodshed as Europe. In over 2000 years, Europe has fought its way to what we have today. But the PC-MC’s are betraying this glorious history as I write this.
In a way, one can accuse the PC-MC’s of betraying everything that has been realised in the last centuries. In my view, the PC-MC’s are a just as big a danger for Europe as is the islamic migration to it (around 40 million right now)..
voegelinian says
DeKadt wrote:
Criticizing islam is criticizing a doctrine, a ideology, an idea. Things like religion, culture and way of life are spinoffs from this, but can never be the main focus. The main focus should always be on what lies behind this. And that is in this case the three main components comprising islam: the koran, the hadiths and the sharia. These three components are the backbone of islamic thought, of islamic doctrine and islamic history.
To scrutinize and critcize this, can not in any way be seen as racist.
Well, that’s all well and good, but the fact is, the entire Western mainstream insists on doing so — and they burden this racialization of the issue with the grandiose project of protecting a billion Muslims they see as perpetual Brown Victims of White Racism. And they aren’t doing this because they are malevolent — nor because they are abject idiots (though it is tempting to glibly presume the latter). I.e., the issue is not really Islam per se, but Muslims. For the PC MCs, the excessive criticism of Islam (thought, doctrine, history) is like poking at a spider web, immediately connected to the billion Muslims who huddle in the corner forever threatened by a white Western “backlash” lest the Enlightened Westerners (the PC MC mainstream) continue to make sure that never happens, by interdicting any thought crimes (let alone behavior) on the part of Islam-critics.
Since our main concern as a Counter-Jihad is a war of ideas directed against our own Westerners in order to persuade them to wake up (a Civil War of Ideas that must remain civil), we must “Know our Friend” as much as we “Know our Enemy”. So this persistent myopia in the Counter-Jihad about the rampant racialization of the issue by our Friends (the Western Mainstream), and about their motive (as DeKadt said in his response to me – “Of course, what islam has anything to do with race is beyond me (and many others)” — indicating an incomprehension of this dynamic), means we aren’t really grappling adequately with this Problem of the Problem.
Or, as the Real Problemers (and their darker cousins, the Conspiracy Theorists) would do, short-circuiting the whole issue: “the Western Mainstream aren’t our Friends at all — they are enemies as bad or worse than the Muzzies! Time to hunker down and wait for Global Civil War!”
Hence the rhetoric of DeKadt:
In my view, the PC-MC’s are a just as big a danger for Europe as is the islamic migration to it (around 40 million right now).
On one level, one can say the PC MCs are a danger for Europe, but on another level — the level that imputes some kind of Machiavellian machinations to the PC MCs — it is a potentially disastrous miscalculation.
DeKadt says
“I.e., the issue is not really Islam per se, but Muslims. For the PC MCs, the excessive criticism of Islam (thought, doctrine, history) is like poking at a spider web, immediately connected to the billion Muslims”..
Well, it’s the old chicken or the egg problem. What came first? Islam or the muslim? Of course the muslim. So, going on from there, we must confront the muslim. But that’s just the thing isn’t it? How can we do that in a world in which the post WW2 generations have been taught that pointing a finger to a specific ethnic or religious group is a no-go? Anybody doing that will be labelled a racist quicker then he can blink an eye. The PC-MC’s and the mainstream press/media are just waiting for these signs. They’ll jump on every chance to squash any attempt in that direction.
So in my view (and in the view of all the serious anti-islam/anti islamic migration politicians, thinkers, writers), the only way to confront muslims is NOT to attack them head on but bypass this trap, and go for the thought behind the muslim: islam itself. That is why the growing anti-islam establishment in Europe stay away from directly pointing fingers to muslims, but grab on to the islamic doctrines instead. That is the only feasible and reasonable way of tackling this enormous problem.
The only way to ‘awaken the masses’ in Europe is to point to the islam, the doctrines, the laws. That’s the fountain head. Come crunch time, it all comes down to how Europeans (and other western societies) see the threat which is endangering their future and that of their children and next generations. Europe is a lot of things, but one thing it is not (and never has been) is islamic. Even countries such as Spain, where islam stayed for many centuries, all muslims where pushed back, thrown out or converted.
The mass immigration of muslims in Europe started in the sixties en seventies when the European economy was looking for cheap labor, and parallel to that, was looking to safeguard the steady import of Arabian oil for it’s industries. I.e, Europe struck a deal with islamic countries on this, exchanging it’s (young, mostly jobless and increasingly restless) workforce for oil. All these corrupt and failed islamic states, all dictatorships, thus could ‘outplace’ a large workforce, not only defusing a growing danger within their own borders, but also generating new income from all these millions working in Europe, who in turn were sending millions of monies back to the home countries.
This is the root cause of the large muslim population in Europe today, now growing into an existential danger for European civilisation as a whole, due to the total economic implosion in Africa and the islamic revolutions in the Arab world.
Muslims come from different countries, different cultures, different backgrounds. They differ in many ways. Pakistani’s, Moroccans, Ethiopians, they differ in many ways as Fins, French and Hungarians do. The only thing binding them in one way or the other is: islam. And it’s doctrine is universal: make the world islam. So that is why we must focus on pushing back islam. Islam is a existential danger for the west. That’s the message the western masse’s should hear. They should (learn to) fear islam. Especially women. That’s why criticising islam should be at the forefront in every discussion.
voegelinian says
“So in my view (and in the view of all the serious anti-islam/anti islamic migration politicians, thinkers, writers), the only way to confront muslims is NOT to attack them head on but bypass this trap, and go for the thought behind the muslim: islam itself. That is why the growing anti-islam establishment in Europe stay away from directly pointing fingers to muslims, but grab on to the islamic doctrines instead. That is the only feasible and reasonable way of tackling this enormous problem.”
Yes, I’ve noticed that’s been the unofficial tactic of the Counter-Jihad (such as it is) for years. The problem is that it doesn’t seem to be working in terms of its intended effect. As carefully as members of the Counter-Jihad try to avoid saying anything remotely “racist”, the PC MC mainstream invariably accuses them of “bigotry” or “racism” anyway. There must be a better way of engaging the issue on this level than 1) anxiously walking on eggshells lest we trigger the irrational hypersensitivity of our PC MC cultural masters; 2) merely pretending it’s not there; or 3) repeating the mantra “Islam is not a race” for the umpteenth time – all of which, apparently, are not working. It seems to me one way of beginning to find a way to reconfigure the Conversation in this regard would be to really face head-on the PC MC’s need to racialize, analyze it, talk about it, air it out.
“The only way to ‘awaken the masses’ in Europe is to point to the islam, the doctrines, the laws. That’s the fountain head.”
You see, the problem with this, is two-fold, both reasons directly & intimately connected to each other:
1) [Muslims are an essential part of the problem – for they put Islam into bloody practice, when they are not lying about it (which is another way to put Islam in to practice: taqiyya). If Muslims didn’t put their Islam into practice, there would be no problem of Islam.
2) Because of #1, if we only focus on the problem of Islam itself (texts, history, doctrine, sermons, etc.), we are forever leaving the door open to the inevitable taxonomic parsing which reinforces the TMOE meme (viz., that the problem is a “Tiny Minority of Extremists” and not “most Muslims”).
While it’s certainly preferable to widen out the “Tiny” in that meme to a “Small” or to an “Alarming Number Even Though It’s Still Relatively Small” (thus we have the Daniel Pipes Formula of 15%, which even Zuhdi Jasser has amplified to “between 20 and 30%), such attempts to divide the Muslim world into Dangerous and Harmless Muslims all operate without adequate grounding in evidence, and when our lives are at stake, and when tens of millions of Muslims in the coming decades will be roiling and percolating throughout various Muslim countries, we cannot afford to play Muslim Roulette by assuming so glibly that millions upon millions of Muslims are not dangerous or do not enable the dangerous Muslims swimming among them in ways we cannot adequately discern through standard measures of surveillance. Indeed, in the future, to adequately surveil the metastasizing numbers of Muslims coursing through the veins of the International Body Geopolitic of the West would require a strangely selective police state specifically and exclusively focusing on Muslims – which would be just as “illegal” as total deportation for those Counter-Jihad Worry Warts (aka the “Softies”).
voegelinian says
Woops — major typo in my last response to DeKadt, in my last paragrah:
“and when tens of millions of Muslims in the coming decades will be roiling and percolating throughout various Muslim countries,”
should be:
“and when tens of millions of Muslims in the coming decades will be roiling and percolating throughout various WESTERN countries,”
mortimer says
This is an atrocious thing to happen in Holland where the Dutch suffered so much from fascism.
The sad truth is that Islam is THEOCRATIC FASCISM that Holland doesn’t need, especially after hundreds of years of sectarian fighting of its own!
The Dutch police are out of line to suppress freedom of expression and should be charged and prosecuted and fined! That will stop them from repeating this sort of behavior.
Roger says
Next demo should have everyone wearing clothes with screen prints of mohammed. Then what the cops gonna do? Strip everyone naked? Arrest everyone?
voegelinian says
If so, the demonstrators could have Mohammed tattoos on their bodies.
Peter Hyatt says
City of Copenhagen issued ultimatum:
http://analysistomorrow.blogspot.com/2015/11/city-of-copenhagen-issue-ultimatum-to.html
Sheila Novitz says
There goes Holland. A terrible shame. Geert Wilders and millions of like-minded people cannot win – not when the government and police have obviously given up. I love Holland and have had marvellous times there, but will not ever return. Another wonderful, free country falls to Islam – exactly the way Islam planned it. Quite rapidly the rest of Europe will fall. Our cowardly, lazy, ignorant Western politicians are to blame.
gravenimage says
Exactly the same thing has happened with the police in Germany, Britain, and the United States.
This is appalling–and very dangerous. But I am not going to write off all the people of all these nations as well–and neither should you.
The mere fact that brave Dutchmen and women were holding such a rally–the sickening dhimmi reactions of the police notwithstanding–should hearten us.
Emmett says
So when do we start the TAKE YOUR MOTOONS TO SCHOOL WEEK and watch the public school nomenklaturas heads explode. Visualize all of the students turning in motoons of their own or ones copied off this and other web sites, for an entire week or even month. Of course the local nomenklatura would threaten all kinds of penalties and punishments,but hope fully a form letter sent by the parents particapating in this anti-jihad action would stop these commissars in their tracks. By the way, this form letter should be written by an attorney like, David Yershammi or one of similar caliber. The letter would inform lawsuits would be filed against local and state boards if any student or parents rights are violated. Lets brainstorm this and come up with some good ideas and watch the fireworks.
Alakanuk says
Get ready to be swamped with ‘the scum of humanity’. Your future generations will curse you for the plague you will probably avoid but they will have to endure.
Any statement highlighting the filthiest ethical and social norms possible yet hallmark of Mohammadan cultures are bound to be understatements. They ‘operate in perpetual bad faith’ (pun intended) both individually and collectively as it is ‘the divine dictate’ of the supreme being whether they consult their pedestrian scriptures or the precedents set by the so claimed last regent and messenger of Allah. The brainwashing and indoctrination begins as early as possible, from parents, family, ghetto and the pulpit. Taqqiya, kitman or lies, fabrications concoctions are divinely sanctioned methods for the adherents for their spiritual evolution and gaining brownie points from Allah. Devoting ones life to bring about the apocalypse is the highest purpose.
Your liberal democratic set ups with no checks plus your politicos tilting towards appeasement provide for the most comfortable breeding ground for these morally bankrupt ungrateful rabid beings seeking vengeance for being born. Atleast 70% are inbred – every generation more retarded than the previous one. The health, happiness or any other parameters of good life for their own children is of no concern but to overwhelm the host nation with sheer numbers is the priority.
Great nations like Persia were laid bare within few years by sheer force of power. Even greater unbroken civilisations like India have been pushed back centuries fighting these cretins having lost almost half their country which is now Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh while struggling to deal with those within in remaining territory – in just seventy years the population of Mohammadans rising to almost 20% from 8%, all through inbreeding large scale.
The real pain will start when your own disenfranchised idiots along with the unscrupulous opportunists will be poached and you will find them praying five times a day for your and your nation’s annihilation.
In short you are facing the biggest existential challenge to your nation, race and culture ever. And it is sad that you don’t recognise it. Most are indifferent and clueless and a good chunk busy promoting it.