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Spain: Three Muslims “set to commit Charlie Hebdo attack” arrested in dawn raids

Nov 3, 2015 6:45 am By Robert Spencer

They were affiliated with the Islamic State. What Charlie Hebdo-like targets they intended to hit have not been revealed.

Spanish police

“Spain terror alert: Three men ‘set to commit Charlie Hebdo attack’ arrested in dawn raids,” by Gerard Couzens, Express, November 3, 2015 (thanks to Lookmann):

POLICE in Spain say they have arrested three Moroccans who were ready to commit a Charlie Hebdo-style terror attack.

The trio, accused of forming part of a group linked to Islamic State, were held during dawn raids in Madrid today….

Interior Ministry officials said in a statement released early today, where it referred to Islamic State by its acronym DAESH: “Police in Madrid have arrested three people of Moroccan origin, living in Spain, accused of forming part of a group linked to the terrorist organisation DAESH.

“According to sources in the investigation, they were prepared to carry out, at any moment, terrorist acts like those that have taken place recently in neighbouring countries.

“The operation is ongoing.”

The arrests are understood to have taken place in Madrid neighbourhood Vallecas and La Canada Real, the largest shanty town in Europe which includes an area controlled by drug gangs who sell to users from around the Spanish capital.

In January four men were arrested in Spain’s north African enclave of Ceuta. Spain’s Home Office minister described them at the time as having a “very similar profile” to the French extremists who killed 11 people and injured another 12 during a January 7 massacre at the offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

In March a Spanish judge revealed chilling details of a telephone conversation between a Spanish immigrant and an Islamic State terrorist after she was arrested trying to enter Syria illegally with her three-year-old boy.

Fernando Andreu remanded Moroccan-born Samira Yerou in prison after she was extradited to Spain from Turkey, saying she had got her son to repeat: “I slit the policeman’s throat’ and “I want to go with the mujahideen to kill” after putting him on the phone to the terrorist.

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  1. Jay Boo says

    Nov 3, 2015 at 6:54 am

    NPR/BBC would call them “refugees”
    Spain and all of the EU should not admit anyone who follows the Islam cult.
    Muslims are inherently disloyal.

    • Roger says

      Nov 3, 2015 at 7:35 am

      Spain has had Muslims from Morocco living in Spain for generations, as well as Algerians.

      Spain controls Ceuta which is a Spanish controlled area of Morocco and is the gateway for Moroccans into Spain.
      A throwback to Spanish imperialism in North Africa.

      These are not refugees but economic migrants as the Moroccans are not fleeing war.

      Not sure how Spain could deport over 10 million muslims whilst their government is far left and their citizens are far left?

      Europeans have pretty much accepted their fate.

      I understand your sentiments though, hopefully the good folk of Europe will open their eyes soon.

      • Jay Boo says

        Nov 3, 2015 at 8:36 am

        No new Muslims is my point.
        I would not go so far as to say that Spain should deport over 10 million existing Muslims. They should however, as I stated not admit anyone who follows the Islam cult.

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Nov 3, 2015 at 10:39 am

          I would not go so far as to say that Spain should deport over 10 million existing Muslims.

          Why not?

        • Joseph says

          Nov 3, 2015 at 1:08 pm

          I agree with J.B. and A.P.F.
          First we have to stop ALL Moozlim immigration.
          Second we have to close and destroy all the mosques that refuse to be monitored 24/7
          Third, Then we can work on deporting any jihadists and their families, friends and supporters.
          Fourth, any new converts that lean towards violence should also be dealt with. How would be on a case by case basis.

          Isn’t there even a single island on this Earth where we can put these so called refugees so they can be dealt with accordingly? Remember the movie “escape from New York” where they put all the violent criminals in one place? No guards on the island they were left to their own devices for survival.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 11:33 am

          “No new Muslims” isn’t going to happen for years. Just look at the West, it can’t even say Islam is bad and must bend over backwards praising it, for God’s sake. So when the West gets around to doing it, in the meantime taking its sweet time, there will be millions more inside the West. And JayBoo, mortimer, Angemon and the rest of the Softies have no ideas on what to do with those millions other than take measures against the tiny minority among them who advertise their “extremism” in ways that become illegal, and “extremism” by that logic apparently supposed to be magically different from the Islam of all of them.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 6:53 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “ And JayBoo, mortimer, Angemon and the rest of the Softies”

          Why are we deemed “softies”? Well, because voegelinian arbitrarily declared that he was “tough” on muslims, and therefore anyone questioning him or his ideas in any way or fashion is a “softy”.

          “have no ideas on what to do with those millions other than take measures against the tiny minority among them who advertise their “extremism” in ways that become illegal, and “extremism” by that logic apparently supposed to be magically different from the Islam of all of them.”

          This is blatantly false and plain absurd – just the kind of slander we’ve grown to expect from voegelinian. Also, for all his braggadocio about our alleged lack of ideas, he offers no alternative, as usual.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 12:26 pm

          I would be alarmed, if I weren’t so wearily jaded by now, at what Alarmed Pig Farmer noticed from one of our resident Counter-Jihad Softies, JayBoo: JayBoo didn’t say “Spain can’t deport 10 million Muslims” — he said it shouldn’t. Very telling Pipesian slip there.

      • Jay Boo says

        Nov 3, 2015 at 8:42 am

        Deportation is unfortunately, not a real possibility.

        • Roger says

          Nov 3, 2015 at 9:04 am

          Agreed. In fact, short of setting up a totalitarian dictatorship, the deportation of millons of Muslims across Europe in today’s PC madness is frankly a ridiculously impossible notion.

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Nov 3, 2015 at 10:41 am

          Deporting 10 million people is not impossible; it is imminently possible from a physical and logistical possibility. You seem to be endorsing the idea that Moslems are now a de facto inegral part of Western Civilization, eh?

        • mortimer says

          Nov 3, 2015 at 11:36 am

          Deporting people based on religion would be discriminatory under all modern human rights codes.

          Which country will take 10 million deportees? Saudi Arabia won’t even take Syrians.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 3, 2015 at 1:56 pm

          It is possible, JB – at least for those who can be deported, i.e., foreign citizens.

        • KrazyKafir says

          Nov 3, 2015 at 6:33 pm

          No deportation means the eventual autonomous region followed by a demand for their own country. Think Kosovo

        • Jeremiah says

          Nov 4, 2015 at 5:37 am

          1. Close the Borders and hold elections.
          2. Turn back the Jihadis (those who look like Jihadis without passports, without families and inn possession of the Koran or those caught lying).
          3. Put the rest in Internment camps for observation and processing for at least a year. Genuine refugees don’t mind that. I was one once.
          4. Deport the criminals already on the wrong side of the border.
          5. Close down all mosques, Islamic schools and anything that is remotely connected to the Brotherhood.
          6. Then start rounding up anybody else who is still unemployed and not interested in working.
          7. Bring lying politicians to justice. Place them in jail so they never threaten the nation again.
          8. Bring back capital punishment because we will need it.
          9. Re-educate lawyers so that they know law was meant to serve men rather than men serving laws. No longer accept lengthy court cases.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 12:11 pm

          Roger says

          November 3, 2015 at 9:04 am

          “Agreed [that total deportation is impossible]. In fact, short of setting up a totalitarian dictatorship, the deportation of millons of Muslims across Europe in today’s PC madness is frankly a ridiculously impossible notion.”

          Of course it would be madness to think it could be done tomorrow morning, for fuck sake. Are all of you that short-sighted you can’t see that in free societies change happens? For a good 150 years before the final Abolition of slavery in the West (and in much of the non-Western world, thanks to Western colonialism), lone individuals, then small groups, agitated for the dream of abolishing slavery. And during those long decades of persevering, there were countless voices telling them it was “impossible”, “not realistic”, “never going to happen”, etc., just as the Counter-Jihad Softies do now with regard to pushing the goal of total deportation.

          The PC MC that currently hinders honest condemnation of the Islam of all Muslims and hinders an honest appraisal of the alarming dangers Muslims following their Islam represent (including their taqiyya deception which tries — all too successfully most of the time — to fool us into thinking the majority of Muslims are peaceably assimilable and not in fact waging a multi-tiered war against us which involves our mass-murder already — or have you all forgotten 911 already?) is not going to last forever. PC MC is the current worldview dominant throughout the West, but it’s a fashion of thought, and fashions come and go. However doggedly the PC MCs are hanging on to their “respect” for Islam and for Muslims as a reflection of their White Guilt and anxiety to avoid succumbing to “bigotry” and “racism”, this mass neurosis of Denial cannot last forever – mainly because the problem is going to get worse and worse, hideously, catastrophically so, in a shit-hitting-the-fan train wreck sort of way. Muslims will metastasize so horribly in the coming decades that even a sufficient number of Western PC MCs will wake up. But, sadly, it’s also reasonable to conclude they won’t wake up until after a few million of us are mass-murdered by Muslims (approximately in the time of the grandchildren of those reading my comment), and after one or two Western countries (e.g., France and/or Germany) falls to Muslim control with all its attendant horrors of honest Sharia application. At that point, if it’s not too late, the West (except for a small minority of die-hard Leftards) will agree to total deportation as surely as a family agrees to destroy part of their home with a thousand gallons of forcefully streamed water and a few walls axed to pieces by robust firefighters, in order to save the rest of their home, their family, and their neighbor’s home which could have caught fire if no (or only limp-wristed) measures had been taken.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 7:08 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Of course it would be madness to think it could be done tomorrow morning, for fuck sake.”

          That’s not what Roger said, was it?

          “Are all of you that short-sighted you can’t see that in free societies change happens? ”

          For change to happen ideas need to be discussed and analyzed so they can stand on their merits, improved, or thrown into the trash-bin of history. And you already made quite clear that whatever it is that you suggest – in this particular case, your seditious “total deportation” nonsense – is to be taken as gospel rather than discussed and evaluated on its merits. If anyone here is against change that would be you, because you’re interested in pushing a totalitarian system that punishes change.

          “ For a good 150 years before the final Abolition of slavery in the West (and in much of the non-Western world, thanks to Western colonialism), lone individuals, then small groups, agitated for the dream of abolishing slavery. And during those long decades of persevering, there were countless voices telling them it was “impossible”, “not realistic”, “never going to happen”, etc., just as the Counter-Jihad Softies do now with regard to pushing the goal of total deportation. ”

          Ah, here it is: the disingenuous false equivalence with the abolitionist movement. What you leave out is that the abolitionist movement fought to grant everyone the same rights, not to take rights away from people. Again, for the nth time: foreign citizens can be deported. National citizens can’t. What part of that concept do you fail to grasp? And, of course, you’re unable to accurately represent the people you deridingly call “softies”. The so-called “softies” aren’t running around saying “impossible”, “not realistic”, etc – they’ve asked you to provide the skeleton of your idea, i.e., to explain how it can be achieved, both legally and logistically. If someone said to you “that’s not realistic” what you do is say “why not?”, and rebut their arguments to why it’s not realistic. You, on the other hand, are limited to run around from topic to topic like a headless chicken, whining about the “softies”, and comparing your assault oh the rights given to citizens with the struggle of the people who fought to give rights to citizens.

          You want to push your seditious “total deportation” nonsense? Then do so by engaging in discussion with people who tell you it can’t be done, find out why they say so and use facts and logic to rebut their arguments. I’m telling you this because your strategy of insulting those who don’t take your words as gospel isn’t working.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 12:15 pm

          I wrote:

          “(approximately in the time of the grandchildren of those reading my comment)”

          The key word there is “approximately”, needless to say — give or take a generation or two… and hardly relevant, except to sophists, to the protracted emergency my wider context is discussing.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 12:31 pm

          Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          November 3, 2015 at 10:41 am

          “Deporting 10 million people is not impossible; it is imminently possible from a physical and logistical possibility. You seem to be endorsing the idea that Moslems are now a de facto inegral part of Western Civilization, eh?”

          This comment by Alarmed Pig Farmer is like a drop of precious manna to one who has crawled through the desert of Jihad Watch Softies praying for a morsel of bread or a drop of water to soothe my parched lips and aching hunger for a sign, just a sign, of actual anti-Islam (= anti-Muslim) robustness; crying out in the wilderness and when not usually receiving no answer from the empty wastes around me, being buffeted, chided, insulted, or pestered with sophistry by the FOPs, the Friends of Phillip (Jihadski).

        • Angemon says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 7:15 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “This comment by Alarmed Pig Farmer is like a drop of precious manna to one who has crawled through the desert of Jihad Watch Softies praying for a morsel of bread or a drop of water to soothe my parched lips and aching hunger for a sign, just a sign, of actual anti-Islam (= anti-Muslim) robustness; crying out in the wilderness and when not usually receiving no answer from the empty wastes around me,”

          Don’t forget to add that the desert you claim you’re in is one of your own making: you went out of your way to insult those who supported you out of your friend circle. Especially when you emailed people and demanded them to come and bully me and PJ into silence, and tried to publicly shaming those who didn’t.

          “being buffeted, chided, insulted, or pestered with sophistry by the FOPs, the Friends of Phillip (Jihadski).”

          Translation: the “Friends of Philip” had the gall to question voeg’s words, therefore they must be painted in the worst possible light. Dissenting opinions are bad in voeg’s dystopian future.

      • voegelinian says

        Nov 5, 2015 at 11:29 am

        “Not sure how Spain could deport over 10 million muslims whilst their government is far left and their citizens are far left? ”

        You don’t need to be far left to balk at total deportation; you can even be in the Counter-Jihad and balk at it — and even oppose it as a sociopolitical meme to be pushed, even going to the lengths of attacking the fellow Counter-Jihadist who recommends pushing that meme — as I’ve learned to my weary dismay over the years in this prodigious slice of the Counter-Jihad here at Jihad Watch comments,

        • Jay Boo says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 11:55 am

          Deportation is not gonna happen

          The US and EU governments have not even set up a way to keep new Muslims from arriving. The only realistic way to achieve and justify deportation would be in a blitzkrieg approach so that Muslims would be out before the dust settled and in the case of an all out blood bath war as justification.

          However, just for the sake of argument, if the US and EU adopted a new intolerant theocratic religion that could be used to justify the expulsion on religious grounds, then deportation would be feasible as a moral imperative based on claims of having no other choice doing the will of this new religion’s god figure.
          That is not likely to happen either.

        • Roger says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 2:20 pm

          Voge

          You need to reply with intelligent answers rather than insults.

          I understand your anger though.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 6:48 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “you can even be in the Counter-Jihad and balk at it — and even oppose it as a sociopolitical meme to be pushed, even going to the lengths of attacking the fellow Counter-Jihadist who recommends pushing that meme”

          voegelinian,

          Can you give us examples of where people are “attacking” their “fellow” “Counter-Jihadist” who recommends pushing that meme?

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 6, 2015 at 11:19 am

          Roger says

          November 5, 2015 at 2:20 pm

          Voge

          “You need to reply with intelligent answers rather than insults.”

          I have done both on this comments thread. Roger’s “rather than” implies I have only done insults. It’s almost as though when certain people reads a text that contains both what they perceive to be insults and an attempt at a reasonably intelligent argument or point, those certain people become blinded by the insult and can no longer see anything else in the text. A most curious response. And why is it that invariably it’s the Softies (and the FOPs) who react that way?

          I understand your anger though.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 6, 2015 at 1:38 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “I have done both on this comments thread. Roger’s “rather than” implies I have only done insults. It’s almost as though when certain people reads a text that contains both what they perceive to be insults”

          Give it up, voeg – it’s not what Roger “perceives” to be insults, you *admitted* you insulted others here. Roger told you “reply with intelligent answers rather than insults” and you replied “I have done both on this comments thread“.

          “and an attempt at a reasonably intelligent argument or point”

          You mouthed off at Roger because you didn’t like what he had to say about deportation. You did not make an intelligent argument, you were rude, foul-mouthed and didn’t address what he actually said.

          “those certain people become blinded by the insult and can no longer see anything else in the text.”

          Maybe you should try what GI suggested you many times before: don’t insult others. Addressing what they say rather than what you ascribe to them would help as well, but baby-steps – start by learning to accept that different people with different life experiences have different opinions and that reacting like you do is frowned up by adults.

          “A most curious response. And why is it that invariably it’s the Softies (and the FOPs) who react that way?”

          Ah, here it is – you don’t like voegelinian insulting you and ascribing you falsehoods, therefore you’re a “softy”, and/or related to Philip Jihadski, who hasn’t posted in months. He must have left quite an impression on you…

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 6, 2015 at 11:21 am

          Curses on these draft text boxes. My response to Roger’s odd response contained a paste of his at the end I didn’t intend to retain.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Nov 3, 2015 at 8:46 am

      “…the Muslim has an attitude of enmity and hatred of the kaffirs [non-Muslims] in his heart and will not take them as friends and love them, because doing this contradicts the faith of islam. It is permitted to make an outward show of friendliness towards them, but he should hate them inwardly.”
      Islam QA from comments at Daniel Pipes’s website.
      http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5968-islam-instructs-hatred-muslims-speak

  2. sile Draper says

    Nov 3, 2015 at 7:04 am

    Ha! This news item not on the BBC! No surprises there.

  3. Roger says

    Nov 3, 2015 at 7:40 am

    bbc.com/news/world-europe-34709324

    Off topic

    Turkey’s Gulen has just been issued an arrest warrant by Erdogan. Gulen, you will remember, is in exile in the US and runs the Muslims of America Islamic camps throughout the USA.

  4. Bill Bobbs says

    Nov 3, 2015 at 9:26 am

    Imagine a world without this sort of headline. Imagine a world without war. You’d think CNN and MSNBC would be in to that idea. But there’s a catch: Islam must go! This from interesting post.

    “without Islam we would now be living in a world almost without war. The impossible dream of world peace would actually be within reach if it were not for the existence of Islam. Human progress has made the resort to war almost unthinkable to everybody but Muslims. That’s why just about every war today is either between Muslims or waged by Muslims on the rest of the world. Curious that we never hear about this from the one-world types at the BBC”

    Rest of post at http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2015/11/islamophobic-world.html

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 3, 2015 at 1:31 pm

      This is *very* true, Bill. There’s an ugly on-going civil war in the Congo, Russia’s incursions into Ukraine, Mexican and Colombian narco conflicts, a small Maoist insurgency in India, a smattering of local clashes in parts of Africa, and sporadic saber rattling from North Korea.

      Not to make light of any of these conflicts, but that’s about it–really, the world is more peaceful than it has ever been throughout history.

      Except for Islam–which is leaving an increasingly bloody swath across the world.

  5. Jeremiah says

    Nov 3, 2015 at 10:34 am

    At least take down their mosques. There have to be consequences.

  6. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Nov 3, 2015 at 10:37 am

    Has Spain announced how many young Moslem men it will take in as part of its “responsibility” of helping to solve the “Syrian” “refugeee” “crisis”? That place has the most experience in dealing with Moslem takeover and occupation, and so should lead the way.

  7. mortimer says

    Nov 3, 2015 at 11:29 am

    Muslims need to be deprogrammed out of Islam and governments need to create a curriculum to do so.

    • el cid says

      Nov 3, 2015 at 11:36 am

      Yes, it’s been done before. It as called the “Inquisition”.

      I’m afraid that that is the only way to go, and unfortunately, this kind of surgery hurts everyone.

      Spain never recovered from the last one.

      • Covadonga says

        Nov 4, 2015 at 9:02 am

        Please, learn about the Black Legend.

        • ECAW says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 2:55 am

          Here is a blog post by the appalling fool Craig Considine using the Black Legend to attempt to whitewash Islam (he is willing to use anything he can lay his hands on to do so). Fortunately the commenter gennyliv turned up with some real knowledge to expose his dishonesty:

          http://craigconsidinetcd.com/2015/10/11/why-celebrating-columbus-day-is-like-celebrating-isis-day/

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 3, 2015 at 1:35 pm

      Mortimer–with all respect–when has such “deprogramming” *ever* worked? Why would Muslims listen to the “filthy Infidels”, any way?

      We have beaten Islam back before–many times, in fact–but it has never been by “deprogramming” Muslims.

      • Roger says

        Nov 3, 2015 at 3:21 pm

        We need a combination of re-education, de-programming via the schools, media and Universities to brainwash everyone back to normal.

        And the hammer will be this, ending Saudi influence within the west; deportation of all radical muslims engaged in sharia revolution; revocation of citizenship for those muslims fighting overseas and a military alliance with Russia.
        Lastly we need to offer generous voluntary deportation packages and offer limited years to stay in the west for refugees.
        Then we can go about returning them to syria and iraq afghanistan etc once a total war has ended fighting these jihadists….and I mean total war, gloves off

  8. gravenimage says

    Nov 3, 2015 at 1:21 pm

    Spain: Three Muslims “set to commit Charlie Hebdo attack” arrested in dawn raids
    ……………………………..

    While many Infidels were affirming “Je suis Charlie”, all to many Muslims were screaming “Je suis Kabouly!”–in other words, identifying with the savage murderers.

    More:

    They were affiliated with the Islamic State. What Charlie Hebdo-like targets they intended to hit have not been revealed.
    ……………………………..

    The Spanish publication that seems most likely is conservative paper La Razon, which reprinted Charlie Hebdo’s cover on its front page, with the prophetic caption “We are all Charlie Hebdo”. Also possible is Ara, which had a cartoon image on its cover with duct tape obscuring it. El Periodico did not feature a cartoon image, but did have a photo of a memorial candle with caption “Je Suis Charlie”.

    http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/in-this-photo-illustration-the-front-covers-of-spanish-news-photo/461172220

    Since La Razon is based in Madrid, and is the only publication I know of that actually reprinted Charlie Hebdo’s work and a cartoon of the “Prophet”, I imagine they were the target.

    • Eve says

      Nov 3, 2015 at 2:44 pm

      It wouldn’t be the Catalan-based “Ara” newspaper, that I’m almost 100% sure about. All Catalan newspapers display almost intolerable dhimmitude when it comes to islam. It has something to do with the current pro-independence tsunami going on in Catalonia, and which aims at showing everybody how inclusive, anti-racist (what race is islam?) and anti-xenophobic Catalans are. It’s a bit similar to what has been going on in Sweden for many years now, and I doubt islamic terrorists would be so stupid as to bite the hand that gladly feeds them in so many respects. As to “La Razón” being the target, this would probably make much more sense, simply because they’re much more outspoken about this issue than most mainstream newspapers.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 6, 2015 at 12:18 am

        Agreed, Eve. And thanks for the view on the ground in Spain.

    • ECAW says

      Nov 4, 2015 at 4:05 am

      gravenimage – off topic – you draw cartoons don’t you? Are these worth a go (I can’t draw)?

      1. Cocktail party. A ring of people are standing in a circle (resolutely) facing outwards. In the middle of the circle is a ferocious looking tiger….

      “It’s an elephant”
      “No, it’s a pussy cat”
      “No, it’s a unicorn”…..

      2. A map of Europe and Turkey. A hand (you know whose) holds a scimitar extending from the Dardanelles up into the heart of Germany.

      Caption…The Migrant Crisis.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 6, 2015 at 12:18 am

        Thanks for the ideas, ECAW.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 6, 2015 at 12:21 am

        I should add that I’m more of an illustrator than a cartoonist.

        I have done cartoons, but the pithy one panel political cartoon requires its own specific skill set. It’s related to what I do, but not precisely the same.

  9. Eve says

    Nov 3, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    I live in NE Spain, and I wish I could say there’s some kind ofdebate in the public arena concerning the muslim cult. Unfortunately, there isn’t. People don’t know their ABCs when it comes to islam, a situation which is made much worse by the simple fact that fluency in English is really scarce and the overall level of foreign language proficiency is, not to mince my words too much, simply abysmal. As a result of this, there is very little access to foreign sources, be it books or websites, from countries which have been experiencing the muslim problem for longer than we have.

    In spite of our long history of submission to islam, and of our geographical closeness to Morocco, the truth is that the muslim phenomenon is a relatively recent occurrence in Spain. The party currently in power is conservative, but its NWO policy when it comes to immigration doesn’t differ one iota from that of left-wing parties. They’re all on the same boat as far as this issue is concerned. As for the people, there’s a dim awareness that muslims get much more in welfare benefits than your average working John Doe, but very little is said about it, as political correctness is rampant in the country. Only a very small minority are actually aware of what’s going on, and why, and many of us keep a low profile for fear of reprisals.

    It’s really a shame that, having been under the muslim yoke for centuries, Spain doesn’t seem to have learned anything from its history. The wishy-washy version currently taught in school textbooks would have you believe everything was nice and rosy under islamic rule, and that muslim conquerors came to tale the peninsula out of medieval darkness. The generally abysmal level of our educational institutions (I should know, I’m a teacher myself) doesn’t create an atmosphere conducive to critical thinking, either.

    A bleak outlook indeed, I know, but as real as it can be.

    • eduardo odraude says

      Nov 3, 2015 at 5:45 pm

      Eve,
      Are you a good writer in Spanish? Perhaps you could translate this website into Spanish:
      http://www.quotingislam.blogspot.com. The content there is finite — it does not change every day — the website just contains a number of the core Islamic texts that non-Muslims should know, with minimal comment. The texts have links to university websites, so people can verify the quotes.

      Or maybe translate some other website?

    • Wellington says

      Nov 3, 2015 at 6:40 pm

      Thanks for that information, Eve. In short, what you provided about Spain could be said of so many other Western nations where far too many of its citizens who have roots going back generations, if not centuries, are unconscionably apathetic and insouciantly ignorant respecting what the one major faith which is spiritual fascism in its theological blueprint intends for all the West.

      I think it could be asserted with significant accuracy that sheep can actually do more harm than wolves. Sure going on right now whereby ignorance and indifference to Islam, and certainly exculpation of it by Western dhimmis aplenty, is the ultimate threat to the West in our era rather than the monstrosity itself. Yes, looking the other way at evil, not properly identifying it and taking it on, is worse than evil itself. Ayn Rand drove home this point relentlessly.

    • Angemon says

      Nov 3, 2015 at 7:05 pm

      Eve posted:

      “A bleak outlook indeed, I know, but as real as it can be.”

      That in itself is a beginning, Eve – the first step to handle a problem is assessing the situation. While it’s not much of a comfort, Spain’s not the only country where the average Joe on the street has no clue about what islam teaches and what it has in store for non-muslims. Although I’d consider Spain a case of its own. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Spain lacks a strong national identity. What I mean by that is that you have Basques and Catalans lobbying for independence, despite centuries of living under one flag.

      • Eve says

        Nov 4, 2015 at 6:35 am

        You’re totally right concerning the Spanish identity crisis. After Franco’s 40-year rule, the pendulum has swung wildly to the other side, and the Catalan and Basque separatist movements have rocked, and are still rocking, the boat on a daily basis. Displaying the Spanish flag is automatically and unanimously interpreted as a sign of fascism in this country, and the word “patriot” is almost totally taboo.

        I’m a Catalan myself and I was once (long ago) in favour of independence. I now realise that, like so many other people, I was brainwashed into believing that all of our problems were Spain’s fault and that an independent Catalonia would be akin to paradise. Not so. What’s even worse, as a direct result of our efforts to show how inclusive and “diverse” we wish to be, do-goodism and political correctness are rampant in Catalonia, reaching levels which can only be seen in soon-to-be-totally-destroyed Sweden. As a result, many of those aware of what’s going on, and why, tend to keep a low profile for fear of reprisals (either that, or not many people are aware of anything at all).

        • Angemon says

          Nov 4, 2015 at 6:49 pm

          The lack of a common national identity to rally around is a disadvantage but it’s by no means a game-breaker – islamic supremacism would do to Catalunia the same it would to to Spain, i.e., the same it has consistently done to what was once the “Center of the Christian World”: replace their existing identity and history with an identity dependent on islam and islamic history. From that point of view, Catalans, Castilians, Basques and Galicians should consider islam to be Franco’s language policies on steroids and applicable to every walk of life.

          As for Sweden, the problem with its elected leaders is that they know better. Some Swedes think it might not be a good idea to being in hundreds of thousands of foreigners without knowing if they’d assimilate and take Swedish values like freedom of religion, equality before the law regardless of gender, race and social status as their own? Well, their leaders simply know better, and they’ll prove how wrong their critics are by opening the floodgates and rubbing foreigners in their faces. What could possibly go wrong, right? It’s suicidal madness on a scale not seen since the fall of the Roman Empire.

          Still, the war is far from over. So-called “extreme right-wing” parties focused on preventing islamization keep popping up despite the inherent bad publicity. Individuals can join them or simply spread what they know about islam. There are plenty of resources to pick from. For example, at least one of Robert’s books was translated into Spanish:

          http://www.amazon.es/pol%C3%ADticamente-incorrecta-Islam-cruzadas-Ensayo/dp/849683607X/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1446680764&sr=1-2

          There are many treasure troves of information about islam on the internet, but language may be a barrier.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Nov 4, 2015 at 2:31 am

      Eve

      Welcome!

      you are yourself native Spanish? Or are you an expat living in Spain?

      Either way, but the answer to this question is even more important if you are a native Spaniard – *how* then did *you* work out that Islam was dangerous? What brought you to Jihadwatch? HOW did you find us?

      A few thoughts, re. resources.

      I think that “Fitna”, the short film made by Geert Wilders, has been either dubbed or subtitled into Spanish, as also into a number of other languages. Find it – I am sure it is still out there on the internet *somewhere* – and circulate it.

      I am not sure about “Submission”, the film for which Theo Van Gogh sacrificed his life. He helped Ayaan Hirsi Ali to make it, and as a result, a Muslim assassin murdered him, exacting the sharia punishment for ‘blasphemy’. It might be possible to dub or subtitle ‘Submission’. It is not a long film, and it clearly exposes Islamic misogyny that is based on core Islamic texts.

      There is also a film called “Islam: What the West Needs to Know”. I don’t know whether it’s been subtitled in Spanish – but it *ought* to have been.

      Some years ago Mr Robert Spencer went through the Quran chapter by chapter, verse by verse – “Blogging the Quran”. *That* has been translated into Spanish; you might look for it and get the link.

      Post scriptum: Spain’s great author, Cervantes, was pretty clear-headed about Islam; I understand he wrote plays that were critical of Islam. Are you familiar with those?

      • Eve says

        Nov 4, 2015 at 7:00 am

        Thanks for your feedback. I’m a native Spaniard myself, but I lived in English-speaking countries for 8 years straight when I was younger; beyond improving my English, this has caused me to alter the way I approach issues in general. What I mean is that Spain does not have (and has never had, I’d dare say) the debating and arguing skills to be found in Anglo-Saxon and Germanic societies. It’s simply not part of our culture, I’m afraid. Not that it can’t be taught to a certain extent, but my experience as a teacher tells me that it doesn’t come naturally.

        My first approach to islam came about 6 years ago, once I became aware that many muslims in Spain were getting what appeared to get far more than their fare share in terms of welfare for very little in return. I’m naturally curious, and the fact that I am fluent in several languages gave me access to a wealth of resources. The ones you mention for sure, many of which have been indeed translated into Spanish, as they’ve become classics on their own. But my case is quite an exceptional one. Spain needs to get over its own post-Franco identity complex once and for all, in a process not too different from Germany overcoming its nazi past, and embrace a set of values which, far from being old-fashioned or right-wing, are the very foundation of our crumbling European civilisation. Lack of linguistic fluency is certainly a handicap, but the inability to think critically, to question, to argue, is a far more serious problem, and the very reason, I believe, why Spain appears to be so impervious to what is more widely accepted in other countries regarding the muslim problem.

        To answer your question about Cervantes – yes, he’s got a number of short plays critical of islam – and he should know, as we was a prisoner of war under muslim custody for 5 years of his life. Unfortunately, the study of such plays is a minority thing and, whenever I’ve read anything about them, it’s always been something neutral and aseptic.

        To finish, I’d like to point out that I’ve put my two cents’ worth to disseminate knowledge about islam: the editor of a digital newspaper was once kind enough to lend me a column on which I published about 20 articles about the topic. I still write here and there, but I do think that, whilst disseminating the truth is extremely important, people must also be willing to go through a very difficult sould-searching process to accept some of these uncomfortable truths – and that doesn’t come easily, that’s for sure.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Nov 4, 2015 at 5:32 pm

          Eve

          Thank you so much for sharing your story.

          I observe you describe yourself as “naturally curious”.

          That’s really interesting. Because *that* – CURIOSITY – is I think one of *the* marks of those persons, wherever they are, who – right across the modern west, and also in countries beyond the west – form what I sometimes think of as “the Order of the Phoenix”. The people who are forming the *beginning* – the vanguard – of the resistance to what might be called the Third Jihad.

          And maybe that gives us a hint…maybe what we need to be trying to do is to awaken, or reawaken, *a healthy and natural curiosity* in our fellow citizens, wherever we are. Let’s try to make them *curious*…and *then* point them in the right direction.

          Have you *read* Cervantes’ Islamocritical plays? (I must confess I haven’t…not sure whether they exist in English translation). But since he’s one of your Historical National Authors, they must be sitting in libraries somewhere, buried in dusty volumes of “Complete Collected Works”. Dig them out and read them and then, if they look like they might help to shift people’s perceptions, photocopy the scripts and circulate them! Or just nip out any juicy ‘quotable quotes’ and start circulating those on social media…”This is what Cervantes said about Islam”.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Nov 4, 2015 at 7:19 pm

          Eve

          I don’t know how long you’ve been reading here, so I don’t know whether you’ve encountered *this*, by a very erudite person who uses the nom de plume “Hugh Fitzgerald”.

          He’s writing about people like you, and people like the other ‘regulars’ here and at other counter-jihad forums, and in the organisations and political parties that are just beginning to spring up all over the place (one of the first in the ‘new wave’ being, I think, Geert Wilders’ PVV).

          He wrote it in 2008 – *seven* years ago.

          An essay called “The Unsung History Boys”.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/06/fitzgerald-the-unsung-history-boys

          “The keenest and most aware, in every part of the Western world, are now engaged in one vast, but not collective, History Lesson.

          “Those in this class are necessarily a class of autodidacts, given the failure of our governments to instruct us, and given the near-total monopoly over academic departments and courses on Islam by those engaged not so much in instruction as in apologetics…

          “So here we are, now rediscovering the history of India, even if we are not Indians, and perhaps learning more about it, reading more sympathetically about what Muslim rule did to India, than many Indians who, to prove their lack of parochialism, their freedom from “communalism,” overlook the real history, and continuing menace, of Islam in India.

          “Here we are, even those who until a few years ago hardly knew about the Ottomans in Europe, realizing why the Serbs need to be protected from Muslim demands, either by “Bosnians” or by Albanians…

          “Here we are, all over the world, the unsung History Boys.
          And we are learning a lot. And passing it on….”.

          If you haven’t read it, do. And then…translate it into Spanish, and circulate. Hugh won’t mind.

          There’s a bit more, of interest, at the comments thread where Hugh *first* posted that poignant essay or call to arms.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/pakistani-education-minister-jihad-an-integral-part-of-curriculum.html

          Post scriptum: Several other books that I whole-heartedly recommend, and that could also do with translation into Spanish. If an ‘official’ translation cannot be arranged, then at least people could translate key chapters or parts of chapters.

          1/ Ex-Muslim (now a Christian) “Sam Solomon” has written a book called “Al Hijra: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration”. He’s also written a booklet called “The Mosque and Its Role in Society” (that is, in an Islamic society). Both are nice and short and easy to read, and packed full of information, with references back to the classic Islamic texts so people can see he’s not making anything up.
          ‘
          2/ Australian scholar Rev Dr Mark Durie, who is brilliant, and studied under the *very* astute Dutch scholar, the late Hans Jansen, has written “The Third Choice: Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom”, with a companion booklet intended primarily for pastoral use by Christians among former Muslims and among non-Muslims who have lived as de facto or de Jure Dhimmis – “Liberty to the Captives”. His other book “Which God?” is also of critical importance – it can help naive Jews and Christians understand that when Muslims say ‘we worship the same God” this is a totally false and indeed destructive claim, and it can help *other* people, whether atheist, Hindu or Buddhist, to understand that Christians and Jews are *not* the same kind of thing as Muslims…that, indeed, Judaism and Christianity are diametrically *opposite* to Islam. these three books by Durie can be bought online, in paperback, His scholarship is rock-solid, and his style is lovely and clear. I think they would be fairly easy to translate.

          3/ The Christian charity, ‘Barnabas Fund’, puts out a set of booklets about Islam. The best one is called “What is Sharia?” It’s only about 8 pages long. Among other things, it lists “Five main areas in which Sharia is incompatible with human rights”. I don’t know whether they have done a Spanish version – you could write to them, and ask.

          Their founder, Patrick Sookhdeo, who is a convert from Islam to Christianity, has also done a booklet called “Is the Muslim Isa the Biblical Jesus?” It is *excellent*. It makes all the same points that Durie does in his book “Which God?” but in a much briefer format. In just 22 pages it covers all the relevant points, with plenty of references to the Muslim and Christian texts, to show how they differ. A good one to share with any Christians you know, or with anyone who claims that Christianity and Islam are ‘the same’.

          Both booklets can be bought from the Barnabas Fund website, dirt cheap (in Australian money, they cost me about a dollar or two dollars a pop). Buy a sackful and then keep handy, to circulate as opportunity arises. Ask Barnabas if they have Spanish versions; if not, you could offer to do a translation for them.

          And finally, for good measure, I’ll share another Hugh Fitzgerald classic, just in case you haven’t yet run across it. It was written *ten years ago*, and it is now – with Muslims in vast numbers rapidly flooding into Europe – eerily prophetic, and also unendurably poignant. Indeed, it’s agonising to read. (And then there’s the accompanying Comments, in which readers piled in to list all the things that *they* loved that were threatened by Islamisation).

          “What’s At Stake”.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/05/fitzgerald-whats-at-stake.html

          Read it. When you’ve finished, get out a hanky, wipe your eyes, grit your teeth, *translate it into Spanish*, and send it on its travels anew.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 6, 2015 at 12:26 am

          Good for you, Eve. Have you considered joining Stop the Islamisation of Europe (SIOE)?

    • Covadonga says

      Nov 4, 2015 at 8:59 am

      Hello Eve, being a Spaniard too, I wanted to point out a few things.

      First you mention something about “our long submission to Islam” Well, not quite, our peninsula is the only place that was *almost* completely invaded by muslim armies (as you know because of a treason among the Visigoth kings) and completely reversed the situation, the only time it happened in the history of Islam. A lot of the population fled to the Central North area (at the time Duchy of Cantabria and Asturias, the borders weren’t the current ones). From there is my family, the area beyond the Cantabric mountains that they never conquered.

      A burned area was created as defense (all the people living there were taken to the mountains and the land was burned behind) in order to create a buffer zone, between this unconquered area in the North, and the rest of the peninsula. It worked, after repelling the first attacks, they were able to retake much more terrain than what they were able to hold. It took three generations, to be able to hold onto the first land to the south of the Cantabric mountains, the folks that migrated there, were the famous “Foramontanos” (We could translate it, as the people from the plains — The Mountain’s Outsiders) Were the same people who fled to the North, fleeing the conquest, including the ones who lived in the buffer zone.

      They returned to their land, which from then onwards was called Campos Goticos, (Goth countries, or lands) But they found themselves pretty vulnerable to attack in the open plains, no longer under the mountain’s defense. So they began building castle after castle, Castile, The Land of Castles, was born. 🙂

      Albeit at the time just a condado, eventually would become a very successful kingdom, and the most active in the Reconquist

      Castile developed from the Cantabrian and partially Vasque area; the land to the West of it, parting from Asturias, become the kingdom of Leon.

      In your part of the peninsula took a while to have the area liberated, they called Charlemagne for help, they accepted to become part of the Carolingian empire in exchange for their liberation. So he did, and the Marca Hispanica was born (he took just the NE part of the peninsula)

      The reconqusita never was stopped until the moment that the Christian kingdoms were strong enough, to no longer fear for their survival. The Islamic areas paid money to them.

      The situation continued stable until much later on. During 1212 the muslims tried to reverse everything bringing huge amount of soldiers from abroad, but they were stopped in the Navas de Tolosa battle.

      When Isabel of Castile took the throne, wanted to end with an absurd standstill, and took the last areas in the South.

      After some time trying to integrate the islamic population, and finding out that for the most part was impossible, they were deported.

      They were subsequently deported in the different kingdoms by stages.

      This was hardly a history of submission; but very much the opposite, a history of victory against all odds. They were an immensely powerful empire when they suddenly arrived.

      Regarding your comment about the lack of debating and arguing skills, I am a bit puzzled, for sure you cannot be talking about intellectuals now or in other times. If you are talking of the general public, well they are way more aware of what islam entails than most people I know outside the peninsula. Take this example, read the comments here in El Mundo.

      http://www.elmundo.es/espana/2015/11/03/5638491b46163f12028b4572.html

      There are many sites where you’ll see people perfectly aware of what is going on.

      Regarding your comment about Cervantes, he wasn’t a prisoner of war, he was sold as an slave, kidnapped from a ship, where he traveled as a civilian passenger. France at the time, was an ally of the Ottoman empire, they had a “nice” business going kidnapping people, and selling them to muslim owners. Cervantes was sold in Argel.

      Fortunately he was liberated after some years, and could participate in the Lepanto battle, against these sob ottomans.

      BTW, in my case I was aware of what Islam is (with pretty much all implications), since I was a kid. Because of historical reasons. If there is a country in Western Europe, besides Portugal, who is aware, is ours.

      Even if not much is taught in schools any longer. Is part of our legacy, you know, since then… people know for what this stands:

      “Santiago y Cierra España!” 🙂

      • Jeremiah says

        Nov 5, 2015 at 6:17 am

        Thank you. That’s the missing link I have been looking for. Not that I am referring to muslims as the missing link.

  10. eduardo odraude says

    Nov 3, 2015 at 5:38 pm

    Someone should write a song of farewell to free speech. The song should refer to a few dozen cases of self-censorship in response to Islamic death threats, as well as to actual examples of Muslim violence against “blasphemers” and critics of Islam. See this list of news stories for example. quotingislam.blogspot.com. The audio track of the song should be put on a youtube video, and when each news story is referred to, a link to that news story should run across the screen so people can click on it.

    Or maybe this is a bad idea. It might demoralize non-Muslims and make them self-censor all the more…

    • Jeremiah says

      Nov 3, 2015 at 5:55 pm

      True. We can also champion the truth in a more aggressive way. We can involve the masses in referendums against sharia law and referendums against deception by politicians. Instead of accepting dishonesty in politicians, they should be held to a higher standard. Dishonesty affects everybody who voted for and against a politician for the term of the office. Deception is not just a trick to get a job. It should be clearly unconstitutional. There should be severe penalties for dishonesty as an elected representative. Push for those penalties. Electoral Fraud should also be covered in the Constitution. Buy more guns and ammunition. Be prepared. Just Do It!

  11. Jeremiah says

    Nov 4, 2015 at 5:42 am

    Thank heaven for the Police in Europe. In America, Obama is doing everything to discourage them. But why not start fighting Islam?

  12. voegelinian says

    Nov 5, 2015 at 12:45 pm

    Jay Boo says

    November 3, 2015 at 8:42 am

    Deportation is unfortunately, not a real possibility.
    Reply

    Roger says

    November 3, 2015 at 9:04 am

    Agreed.

    Prior to that ready agreement, I noticed a PC MC spasm, very subtle (and of course, it would sail by undetected by the asymptotic radar of the typical Jihad Watcher), from this Roger fellow:

    Spain controls Ceuta which is a Spanish controlled area of Morocco and is the gateway for Moroccans into Spain.
    A throwback to Spanish imperialism in North Africa.

    While this is technically correct in a kitmanesque sort of way, what it fails to note is amusingly startling — namely, the far worse, hideously evil imperialism of Muslims who invaded, conquered, occupied, the Iberian peninsula (Spain), horribly oppressing them in the process, for nearly 800 years (during which time, of course, the nascent Spanish and European allies fought valiantly to re-take their land). The original “throwback” reflected by Ceuta, thus, in fact accurately should refer to Mohammedan imperialism, not Spanish. One telltale sign of vestiges of PC MC in a Counter-Jihadist (if indeed Roger is one at all) is an excessive criticism of our legacy of Western colonialism. And this vestige, in turn, may well be behind Roger’s peremptory dismissal of total deportation.

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 5, 2015 at 12:47 pm

      A couple of typos in my hastily typed comment:

      1) the quoting of Roger ends at “Agreed.” The rest is my comment

      2) the “them” in my phrase “evil imperialism of Muslims who invaded, conquered, occupied, the Iberian peninsula (Spain), horribly oppressing them in the process” of course refers to the natives, the nascent Spaniards

      • Roger says

        Nov 5, 2015 at 2:16 pm

        A bizarre and inaccurate reply, you completely twisted my words.

        So if I mention spanish imperialism which ended late last century and not muslim imperialism, which ended centuries ago im somehow not part of the counterjihad movement?

        Yep, got it……

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 5, 2015 at 11:45 pm

          Straw man.

    • Angemon says

      Nov 5, 2015 at 7:40 pm

      voegelinian posted:

      “namely, the far worse, hideously evil imperialism of Muslims who invaded, conquered, occupied, the Iberian peninsula (Spain), horribly oppressing them in the process, for nearly 800 years (during which time, of course, the nascent Spanish and European allies fought valiantly to re-take their land). The original “throwback” reflected by Ceuta, thus, in fact accurately should refer to Mohammedan imperialism, not Spanish.”

      Far from me to question the great, all-knowing wizard, but the great, all-knowing wizard apparently doesn’t know how Ceuta came to be in Spain’s possession. Ceuta was an important trading post in North Africa. For a series of reasons – described in great detail in Nigel Cliff’s book “Holy War”, for those interested – the Portuguese conquered it in 1415. A couple of centuries later, Ceuta later sided with the Spanish side in the War of Portuguese Restoration and was eventually given to Spain.

      Also, voeg, tu quoque is a logical fallacy. You do know that, right?

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