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UC Merced stabber “devout Muslim,” manifesto included “praise Allah,” beheading plan

Nov 6, 2015 10:55 pm By Robert Spencer

“The 18-year-old freshman wrote a numeric list outlining his plans of who he wanted to kill, and how, including beheading and shooting his victims, Merced County Sheriff Vern Warnke told FoxNews.com…’No. 27 was to “make sure people are tied down,” No. 28 was “sit down and praise Allah.”‘”

Then Warnke tells us this had nothing to do with Islam. The capacity for self-deceit and denial is endless, as authorities in the U.S. seem to have an indomitable will to make Islam look good, no matter what the facts of the case may be.

Faisal Mohammad

“Campus stabber’s manifesto included ‘praise for Allah,’ plan for beheading,” by Malia Zimmerman and Hollie McKay, Fox News, November 6, 2015 (thanks to Bulldog):

A handwritten manifesto carried by a California college student whose stabbing spree Wednesday left four wounded bore names of his targets, a vow “to cut someone’s head off” and as many as five reminders to “praise Allah,” law enforcement authorities told FoxNews.com, while insisting that neither terrorism nor religion appear to be motives in the attack.

In the two-page document found in Faisal Mohammad’s pocket by the county coroner, the 18-year-old freshman wrote a numeric list outlining his plans of who he wanted to kill, and how, including beheading and shooting his victims, Merced County Sheriff Vern Warnke told FoxNews.com[.]

“No. 27 was to ‘make sure people are tied down,’ No. 28 was “sit down and praise Allah,’” Warnke said. “I remember seeing four or five times, scribbled on the side of the two-page manifesto, where he wrote something like ‘praise Allah.’”

The manifesto has not been released, but Warnke expects it to be within the next few days.

Mohammad’s intended bloodbath began around 8 a.m.,when he burst into his classroom with an 8-inch hunting knife. Police said it would have continued – and possibly claimed lives – if he hadn’t been interrupted by a construction team, and then shot dead by police.

“There was a gruesome statement he made about wanting to cut someone’s head off and kill two people with one bullet, and he planned to shoot the police,” Warnke said. “He did not have a firearm with him and didn’t seem to have a lot of experience with firearms because he thought he could kill two people with one bullet. He reminded himself in the list to raise the gun slowly. He scripted everything out in chronological order.”

But all law enforcement involved in the investigation, including Warnke, continued to maintain that there is no evidence Mohammed is tied to a terrorist group or was inspired by terrorists.

“There was nothing to indicate he was doing this because of Allah, or because he was going to be rewarded with 72 virgins, or because of ties to a terror group,” Warnke said. “He appeared to be a devout Muslim, on the strong side of the belief.”

The FBI is thoroughly investigating this angle, Warnke said.

“There was nothing on his computer or in his dorm room or in the manifesto to suggest any ties to terrorism or terrorists groups,” Warnke said.

As a wannabe killer, Mohammed was cold and calculating.

Mohammed slashed and stabbed four people, including two students, a student aide and Byron Price, a 31-year-old construction manager who intervened.

“He had a smile on his face, he was having fun, which is more the thing that bothers me,” said Byron Price, who was managing the construction site at the university for his family’s construction company.

Mohammed fled the classroom after he was overwhelmed by Price and another construction worker who was about to hit Mohammed with a ladder.

“He was banking on the fear factor. …His plan went haywire because people fought back,” Warnke said. “He got so befuddled at the activities that happened; it took the script away from him.”…

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  1. Ed says

    Nov 6, 2015 at 11:31 pm

    You will never find this out by reading CNN (Caliphate News Network)
    I always do a CTRL-F and search there for “muslim” or “islam” and find none.
    Even on a piece about ISIS… NONE. A piece on FGM… NONE.
    To the leftist/progressive media, there is no such thing as jihad.

    • Doug says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 3:28 am

      But the media is quick to inundate us with BS stories about Bruce Jenner and other crap to keep us distracted from what’s REALLY going on.

      • The vilest of creatures says

        Nov 7, 2015 at 9:06 am

        You mean CAITLYN JENNER, get it right! lol

        • David Pimentel says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 10:57 am

          No. I’m sure he meant “Bruce”, because any other name falls in the “crap” category.

    • Sh. N. says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 11:23 am

      It seems like there is a time machine which transports some millions of barbars from sixth and seventh centuries to 21st century.
      You cannot imagine how a civilized person can even think about beheading others!
      They have traveled from the deserts of Saudi Arabia in 6th century when they used to slaughter their neighbors and rape their women and rob them. Islam transformed them from local rapers to international rapers. From petty robbers to international looters. Islam developed by string fear to the bones of people in adjacent countries. Not by inviting to peace and humanity. We are in the middle of a massive time quake. We will end up in 600AD with atomic bombs in barbars’ hands or in 2020 with barbars down the drain. All depends on our choices and actions.
      One second late , one century back !

  2. Pere LaChaise says

    Nov 6, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    WE NEED TO ALWAYS TAKE THE SCRIPT AWAY FROM EVIL MOHAMMEDAN TERRORISTS. NEVER SURRENDER, ALWAYS RESIST AND TAKE IT TO THEM SEVENFOLD.

  3. John Johness says

    Nov 6, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    Did Merced County Sheriff Vern Warnke really say ” or because he was going to be rewarded with 72 virgins,” You’ve got to hand it to him. He hasn’t he got a clue what he is talking about but quite willing to give us his “facts”. How do all these public officials get to be experts so quickly on Islam?
    I think there are three dangers in the rise of Islam. First is of course the lunacy of the religion, Second, the fellow travelers of the left who think they are showing tolerance and the third is the stunning ignorance of public officials who are quite happy to serve us ignorant opinions as official facts.
    I doubt in the history of the world – at least that I have read – that such a world wide confluence of violence, useful idiocy and official stupidity has occurred.

    • Rob Porter says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 10:46 am

      John, Merced County Sheriff Vern Warnke is simply a coward. He informed the public of what this Muslim savage, Faisal Mohammad, said and did, even raised the matter of the 72 virgins and then denies that Islam and Mohammad’s Muslim beliefs had anything to do with his murderous conduct. That is insane! This denial has become like a mental illness among Americans police, FBI and CIA. However, it seems little different in Canada where after a Muslim man shot dead an unarmed Canadian soldier while standing duty next to a war monument in Ottawa and then ran into the Parliamentary building to create mahem (and was shot dead) the Royal Canadian Mounted Police report white-washed the man’s Muslim connection.

      • voegelinian says

        Nov 7, 2015 at 12:54 pm

        “John, Merced County Sheriff Vern Warnke is simply a coward.”

        That would be one of the “Esdrujula Elves” — in this case, Timidity (other Elves include Cupidity (greed), and Stupidity). What the Esdrujula Explanation fails to do is account for how relatively intelligent and decent public servants (including in politics and journalism) continue to whitewash the problem of Islam so egregiously. If one does does a little research into the man Sheriff Warnke, one finds no reason to accuse him of any one of the Three Elves noted above. When the Counter-Jihadist is thinking in the Explanatory Vacuum, he will reach in either of two directions to assuage the vexing question we all have (“How can the entire mainstream West be so fucking blind…!!!??” — to put it bluntly): 1) either facile explanations that don’t really explain anything, but merely describe, or worse yet, impute outrageous accusations without evidence; or 2) veering towards conspiracy theory.

        One way to fill that Explanatory Vacuum is to notice that a paradigm shift in worldview has occurred throughout the modern West over the past half century (give or take a decade or two) — with roots going back further, of course. But to begin to do this, the Counter-Jihadist would have to have a rather more sophisticated grasp of anthropology and sociology, and an appreciation for broad movements of fashion of thought & ideas in culture.

        • Avenger says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 1:21 pm

          Doesn’t this fifty year time span coincide with Saudi money flowing into the coffers and personal bank accounts of Western nations and their politicians?
          If the next US Administration can severe this economic payola machine from big business and big government we may have a fighting chance.
          In the mean time we have the Bushes, Clintons, B Dole, Rubio, McCain, Grover Norquist and both left and right Superpacs doing pole dances for their Saudi handlers.

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 12:46 pm

      A close second in history was the period of decades in the 20th century when so many Westerners whitewashed the horrors and evil of Communist Russia, including minimizing the real threat of seditious subversion in Europe, UK and America — and even to the point of creating a dominant culture that demonized those who were trying to sound the alarm (the gold standard being the man that should be remembered as a hero but whom both Left and Right agree is some kind of a boogie man with eternal political cooties, Joe McCarthy).

      Indeed, Diana West, who has done assiduously meticulous groundbreaking research into the problem of what could be called “Anti-Anti-Communism”, has an interesting theory that the whitewashing and Useful Idiocy enablement of Communism throughout the 20th century paved the way for the even deeper and broader manifestation of Denial vis-à-vis Islam.

      • John Johness says

        Nov 7, 2015 at 5:13 pm

        “Useful Idiocy enablement of Communism throughout the 20th century paved the way for the even deeper and broader manifestation of Denial vis-à-vis Islam.”
        Yes but this has been taken a huge step further to include state officials and the Government civil (public) servants. During the Communism period, the Communists were considered the enemy by most officials. The police never made excuses for them.
        This is a truly unique. I certainly get the feeling that Islam will take over and all those fellow travelers, lefties, academics and officials will simply convert.

  4. dajjal says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 12:15 am

    The time has come to boycott universities that admit Muslims.

  5. gravenimage says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 12:22 am

    UC Merced stabber “devout Muslim,” manifesto included “praise Allah,” beheading plan
    …………………..

    Aw–the poor Mohammedan barely got to implement his reign of Jihad terror at all.

    Mohammad, we hardly knew ya…

    • Cecilia Ellis says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 1:10 am

      Graven, you beat me to it with the “devout Muslim” and “praise Allah” references. Notably and as usual, the FBI “is investigating this angle” . . . the predicted conclusion of which will be that this was a random act of stabbing brought on by mental issues resulting from Mohammad’s isolation. We will learn both that he was a good boy who never attended the local mosque and that his family is shocked. Somewhere during the investigative reporting, we will learn that Mohammad was the victim of Islamophbia, culminating in his ejection from a study group. We will also be reminded that Islam is a religion of peace and that Mohammad was traumatized by those who believed otherwise. Imams will be invited to the campus to discuss the true peacefulness of Islam and to urge the student body and surrounding communities to establish programs that educate attendees on the virtues inherent in Islam in order to ensure another young Muslim is not treated with such discrimination that he is compelled to isolate himself from those who misunderstand Islam. In other words, it will be everyone else’s fault.

      I am going to go out on a limb here and state that you, me and other JW readers will be disgusted when and if the final FBI investigative report is released. Then there will be a run on aspirins . . .

      • خَليفة says

        Nov 7, 2015 at 1:30 am

        Take 2 aspirin and be thankful that another jihadi was sent to Janna – which is really hell Muhammed said the majority of those in hell were women, 1 jihadi, 72 women.

        I think most JW readers already concluded this nut was a Muslim; no surprises here.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 1:27 pm

          Well, the houri in Islamic paradise (Jannah) according to Islamic eschatology are not human females who had lived in history, but are newly created by Allah for the express purpose of providing sex for the Muslim men who get translated to paradise. However, that’s an interesting connection I’ve never made — namely, that the Bukhari hadith recording Muhammad’s infamous saying about how the majority of Hell-dwellers are women may be yet another ingenious allusion by Satan (whether literally or figuratively) to the underlying identity of Paradise and Hell — Jannah-wa-Jahannam); since after all, Muhammad didn’t say he was referring to the actual women of history. I.e., it may have been an allusion to the houri of paradise who outnumber men 72 to 1.

        • خَليفة says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 1:46 pm

          Voegelinian – 70 not from earth, AND Muslim can choose 2 of his 4 wives from earth ( that means the other 2 wives go to hell ) there is another Hadith saying every man gets 4 women in Janna. And another which says besides the 72 ( white grapes / virgins ) you get 300 young (pre pubescent) boys who don’t bleed….

          Oh and don’t forget that Hadith also says Muslims penis will be tall like palms trees. ( you can’t see the top of it ) so the women must be pretty large to accommodate a palm tree sized penis.

          The description of Janna seems to be fabricated to appeal to uneducated horny Bedouin to get them to join Muhammed’s cult.

        • dajjal says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 7:03 pm

          Horny, ignorant and stupid Arabs lacking in logical thinking capacity. Houris eat and drink without excreting. How long can that last? The other 70 are Christian and Jewish women taken from the fire.

          Moe was a con man; he promised pie in the sky when you die so he’d never hafta deliver.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 11:57 pm

          Voegelinian wrote:

          Well, the houri in Islamic paradise (Jannah) according to Islamic eschatology are not human females who had lived in history, but are newly created by Allah for the express purpose of providing sex for the Muslim men who get translated to paradise…
          ………………,…,

          Do you have a specific link for this, Voeg? I have pursued this question for some time, and have never gotten a straight answer as to whether these are supposed to be human women or are creatures whose sole purpose is to be eternally raped by dead Jihadists–although I have come to assume it is likely the latter, since the Qur’an says they are “of special creation”.

          (The only exception to this appears to be the dead Muslim’s wives, which are also available for as re-constituted virgins for his pleasure–although ibn Majah quotes the Houris as taunting human wives that they are only with their husbands for a short time, then the Houris take over in Paradise–presumably the wives are then sent to hell. And I’ve never seen a mention about whether a Muslim gets to eternally keep his sex slaves…).

          But the nature of the Houris also is something most Muslims don’t seem to care much about, either. But this should not surprise–they don’t much care about their earthly victims, so there is no real reason they should care about the ones they anticipate in “Paradise”, either.

          In the same way, I imagine those “pearly boys” are not human underaged males, but rather creatures created for the sole purpose of being eternally violated by pious pedophiles…

        • Jack Diamond says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 12:40 am

          Tafseer al-Tabari, 27/152

          3 – Allaah says describing the women of Paradise, in Soorat al-Waaqi’ah (interpretation of the meaning):

          “Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation.

          36. And made them virgins.

          37. Loving (their husbands only), (and) of equal age”

          [al-Waaqi’ah 56:35-37]

          Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

          With regard to the word “loving (‘uruban)”, Sa’eed ibn Jubayr said, quoting from Ibn ‘Abbaas that it means: they are loving towards their husbands. It was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that al-‘urub are those who love their husbands and their husbands love them.

          With regard to the word “of equal age (atraaban)”, al-Dahhaak said, quoting from Ibn ‘Abbaas, that it means: of the same age, thirty-three years.”

          As for Muslim women in Paradise, here is the speculation at Islam Q&A:
          “One of the best things that people long for in the Hereafter is, for men, the women of Paradise, namely al-hoor al-‘iyn, and for women there is an equivalent delight. By His great wisdom, Allaah has not mentioned what the women will have as the equivalent of al-hoor al-‘iyn for men, and that is due to modesty and shyness. How can He encourage them to seek Paradise by mentioning something that they are too shy and modest to mention or speak about themselves? So He has simply hinted at it, as in the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

          “Therein you shall have (all) that your inner‑selves desire

          [Fussilat 41:31-32]

          “The situation of the believing woman in Paradise will be better than the situation of the hoor al-‘iyn; she will be higher in status and more beautiful. Several ahaadeeth and reports have been narrated concerning that, but none of them can be proven to be sound. But if a righteous woman from among the people of this world enters Paradise, then she will do so as a reward for her righteous deeds and as a honour from Allaah to her for her religious commitment and righteousness. As for the hoori who is one of the delights of Paradise, she has only been created in Paradise for the sake of someone else, and has been made the reward for the believing man for his righteous deeds. There is a great difference between one who enters Paradise as a reward for her righteous deeds and the one who was created as a reward for one who did righteous deeds. The former is a queen and a princess, and the latter, no matter how beautiful she is, is undoubtedly lower in status than a queen, and she is subject to the command of her believing master for whom Allaah created her as a reward.

          Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: Does the description of the hoor al-‘iyn include the women of this world?

          He replied:

          It seems to me that the women of this world will be better than the hoor al-‘iyn, even in outward appearance, and Allaah knows best. ”
          http://islamqa.info/en/60188

          Assuming we are not actually talking about white grapes, St. Clair Tisdall wrote:
          “The idea of the Huris is derived from the ancient Persian legends about the Pairakas, called by the modern people of Iran Paris. These the Zoroastrians describe as female spirits living in the air and closely connected with the stars and light. So beautiful are they that they captivate men’s hearts. The word Hur, by which these damsels of Paradise are spoken of in the Qur’an, is generally supposed to be of Arabic derivation, and to mean “black-eyed.” This is quite possible. But it is perhaps more probably a Persian word, derived from the word which in Avestic is hvare, in Pahlavi hur, and in modern Persian khur, originally denoting “light,” “brightness,” “sunshine,” and finally “the sun.” When the Arabs borrowed the conception of these bright and “sunny” maidens from the Persians, they also perhaps borrowed the word which best described them.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 1:08 am

          Rawdat al-Muhibbeen, p. 243.

          5 – Allaah describes them as pure, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

          “and they shall have therein Azwaajun Mutahharatun (purified mates or wives), and they will abide therein forever”

          ————————————————————————–

          [al-Insaan 76:19]

          Al-hoor al-‘iyn will be wives of the men in Paradise, in addition to their wives from among the people of this world. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

          “So (it will be). And We shall marry them to Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes”

          [al-Dukhaan 44:54]

          “They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes”

          It was narrated from Anas that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The believer in Paradise will be given such-and-such strength for intercourse.” It was said, “O Messenger of Allaah, will he really be able to do that?” He said, “He will be given the strength of a hundred (men).”

          Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 2536; classed as saheeh by Ibn Hibbaan, 16/413; and by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 8106.

          What is proven in the saheeh Sunnah is that the martyr (shaheed) will have seventy-two hoor ‘iyn. The least of the people of Paradise will have two wives, and some will have more than that.”
          http://islamqa.info/en/25843

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 2:59 am

          I may have been incorrect about the houris. One major source of that particular aspect of them is Koran 56:35-36 (the Hilali-Khan translation), where the “We” is Allah’s “royal we”:

          Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation.

          And made them virgins.

          And then Ibn Kathir’s tafsir on these two verses implies that traditional Islamic exegesis interprets these verses as meaning that Allah transforms elderly earth women into young virgins and populates paradise with them.

          “(Verily, We have created them), meaning, in the other life, after they became old in this life, they were brought back while virgin, youthful, being delightfully passionate with their husbands, beautiful, kind and cheerful….”

          http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1655&Itemid=112

          This doesn’t make much sense if each man gets 72 virgins — especially when we factor in Muhammad’s claim that Hell is “filled with women”. It doesn’t add up — literally. I still suspect there is another tafsir tradition arguing the view I originally maintained above; but I can’t find it. If only al-Qortoby was translated into English…

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 9:00 pm

          Thank you, Voeg and Jack.

          I have read all this material previously–it does seem to point to the idea that Houris are specially created f*ck dolls, but is not absolutely conclusive.

          As I noted before, though, pious Muslims don’t seem much to care where they come from, or if they want to spend eternity being raped by dead Jihadists.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 10:09 pm

          Not a fantasy I care to dive any deeper into (i.e. characteristics of houris “if she were to spit in the salty water of the seven oceans, then all the seven oceans would turn sweeter than honey”) but for what’s it is worth the “Nobel Quran Glossary” defines them as not “from the offspring of Adam” (*Definition of Houris (hoors/hur al-ayn) from Noble Quran:
          “Very fair females created by Allah as such not from the off-spring of Adam, with intense black irises of their eyes and intense white scleras”. [Noble Quran; Glossary; Houris])
          http://www.islam-universe.com/noble/glossary.htm What their citations come from I dunno.

      • mortimer says

        Nov 7, 2015 at 1:30 am

        The FBI answers to the idiots in the White House. They no doubt have a good idea about the jihad doctrine while pretending to the White House morons that they don’t.

        The emperor has no clothes on.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 7, 2015 at 3:57 am

        Sadly, Cecilia, you are almost certainly correct.

        When will we start hearing that poor little Mohammad had “mental health issues”?

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 4:03 am

          I stand corrected–this bs has already started:

          http://abc30.com/news/local-forensic-psychologist-says-stabbing-suspect-had-deep-insecurities-/1071074/

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 1:29 pm

          Gravenimage wrote, on November 7, 2015 at 4:03 am: “I stand corrected–this bs has already started” and provided the following link:

          http://abc30.com/news/local-forensic-psychologist-says-stabbing-suspect-had-deep-insecurities-/1071074/

          Graven, indeed it has! I read the linked article, the following three extracts of which validate our predictions:

          “Warnke says we must remember that it’s not right to group all Muslims together, especially when so many are gentle, loving people.”

          “We believe he’s basically an American citizen, (a) student,” said Seyed Ali Ghazvini, Imam at the Islamic Cultural Center of Fresno. “We believe he went through a lot of psychological Cultural Center of Fresno.”We believe he went through a lot of psychological issues and that maybe motivated him to be violent at this stage. We really do not see any connection with his faith or community.”

          “Crow says that people look for solutions to make sure things like this don’t happen again. He says we must have better access to and stop the stigmatization of mental health care, and be careful of how our nature of communication can feed events like this.”

          I am now going to take خَليفة’s advice, the same advice given me at a previous time by Angemon: “Take two aspirins.” Are aspirins addictive?

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 12:05 am

          Yeah, I’m so tired of this crap.

          And Cecelia, you mention another predictable aspect of the article I linked to–the Muslim cleric who claims that this Jihadist had nothing to do with Islam.

          Also, note: Fresno is at least an hour away from UC Merced. This Imam saying he had nothing to do with that specific Mosque in Fresno is completely meaningless.

  6. Edward says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 1:23 am

    [ Faisal Mohammad’s photo ]

    You are seeing a photo of:

    A psychologically stupefied believer after being mentally groomed by the Quran, to achieve all of Islam’s evil objectives.

    • Laura says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 1:47 pm

      Brilliant!

  7. mortimer says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 1:23 am

    Merced County Sheriff Vern Warnke is apparently trying to make sense of what he saw with getting himself in trouble by admitting ISLAM CAUSED THE SITUATION…specifically JIHAD DOCTRINE caused the situation.

    Apparently, Sheriff Vern Warnke does not understand the jihad doctrine. We must ask why he and ALL law officers are not receiving training to RECOGNIZE the JIHAD DOCTRINE. He and other sheriffs have a responsibility to LEARN the JIHAD DOCTRINE and teach it. Robert Spencer’s books are a good source of information.

    Such teaching begins at the political level with politicians taking the responsibility of defending our way of life against SUPREMACISTS, MISOGYNISTS and RELIGIOUS, ISLAMIC HYPER-BIGOTS.

    • خَليفة says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 1:35 am

      That would make complete sense. Sadly the Obama administration has banned teaching such things to all levels of law enforcement and the military.

      Here is a rendering of Muhammed: @:{>

      • mortimer says

        Nov 7, 2015 at 1:49 am

        Thanks. My turn…

        Mohammed with bomb in turban *-O(:~{>

        Mohammed sucking a lemon (((:~{x>

        Source: Muhammad Emoticons http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1581149/posts

        • خَليفة says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 1:49 pm

          Hahaha, thnxs for the link

    • dajjal says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 1:37 am

      Ignorant and bigoted politicians are part of the problem, not part of the solution. To become part of the solution, they must first learn what Islam is and what Muslims do because of it.

      Rub their snouts in the TOC of “The Book Of Jihad” until they begin to absorb some knowledge.

    • quotha raven says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 3:25 am

      To Mortimer, who suggests, ” We must ask why he and ALL law officers are not receiving training to RECOGNIZE the JIHAD DOCTRINE.”

      Asked and answered, Morty: One of the first things the Obama admin did when he got into office was to edit all law enforcement training manuals – right up to and including FBI and CIA manuals – so that the words “muslim” “Islam” “jihad” etc, etc were ERADICATED from the texts. Any reference to Islamic reality or jihad or mo-inspired terrorism was removed.

      I’m sure you remember that, Mortimer, as you are a savvy guy who knows your stuff…anyway, although yours is a rhetorical why, it is true that Obama carried out this editing policy throughout law enforcement manuals, right down to State police, and county sheriffs… Certainly the NYPD was subject to these new training guidelines…and they were later battered and prevented from conducting any infiltration or surveillance of mosques…and this happened quite soon after 9/11.

      Madness, isn’t it? I remember feeling indescribably outraged at the time, and I feel it again today.

      Cheers!

      Quotha R

      • BenDavid says

        Nov 7, 2015 at 4:46 am

        “One of the first things the Obama admin did when he got into office was to edit all law enforcement training manuals – right up to and including FBI and CIA manuals – so that the words “muslim” “Islam” “jihad” etc, etc were ERADICATED from the texts. Any reference to Islamic reality or jihad or mo-inspired terrorism was removed.”

        This actually started to happen before Obama. Secretary Condoleezza Rice initiated all this crap back in 2007, according to Stephen Coughlin in his book Catastrophic Failure. When GW Bush right after 9/11 ensured us that Islam is a religion of peace, what do you expect from a Muslim son Barack Hussein Obama.

        • quotha raven says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 5:08 am

          To BenDavid – Thank you. I didn’t know that. I’ll have to get that book and read it. Speaking of books about failure to cooperate and related, “One Thousand Years for Revenge” is a good read. Offhand, I can’t remember by whom. Cheers! qr

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 1:38 pm

      The recent Jamie Glazov interview with Stephen Coughlin goes into the mechanism of the reason why our public servants tasked with ensuring our safety are not learning about the enemy who means us harm (however, Coughlin doesn’t really delve into the why of this reason, other than to agree with Glazov’s vague complaint about “Leftists”…).

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/new-glazov-gang-stephen-coughlin-on-catastrophic-failure

  8. citycat says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 1:55 am

    “Praise Allah”-
    the constant needy mantra to confirm, against one’s natural judgement, that the unnatural and unnecessary despicable acts of violence and murder are justified.
    “Praise Allah”- a peer pressured war cry of the silenced mind.
    “Praise Allah”- a make shift morality for the troops of Islam.
    And the koran really needs looking at by all sorts of experts-
    to officially confirm the nature of the koran.
    But you don’t need a weatherman, unless you’ve been brainwashed, mindbent, emotionally conditioned, etc etc

  9. dlbrand says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 2:14 am

    One more good Muslim being just that, thus living by “The Book,” thus living by the sunnah of the so-called prophet.

  10. Doug says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 3:23 am

    So…this mudslime just started stabbing folks for no reason, didn’t ask them if they were followers of Allhaha, Mohammerhead, or nuthin’. WOW, now that’s a cult to which I want to belong. Where do I sign up? Oh, wait, I’d have to remove my brain, wouldn’t I?

    Nevermind.
    I like my brain, we’ve had a close relationship since I was a fetus.

  11. Dave J says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 3:59 am

    Oh dear what could the matter be,

    Oh dear what could the matter be,

    My son is so long at the fair (school).

    Whenever I hear of explosions, swords and stabbings I think of Islam.

    And this has proven correct about 90% of the time.

  12. Michael Copeland says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 4:13 am

    “His plan went haywire because people fought back,” said Warnke.
    See the brave fourteen-year-old, “I Fought Back”, at LibertyGB
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6653-i-fought-back
    Self-Defence: Where Do You Stand?
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5442-self-defence-where-do-you-stand

  13. Michael Copeland says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 4:22 am

    Here is a pocket-sized 8-line memo to Print-Your-Own and carry.
    Can someone send it to the Sheriff?

    WHAT ISLAM INSTRUCTS FOR NON-MUSLIMS

    KILL the non-muslims wherever you find them. 9:5
    Allah is the ENEMY of non-muslims. 2:98
    Allah does NOT LOVE the non-muslims. 30:45
    Between us and you animosity and hatred forever 60:4

    The Koran is part of Islamic law.
    Its teachings are “universal and trans-time”.
    One who denies any verse has to be killed.
    The killing can be done penalty-free by anyone.

    The Sheriff’s Department could find Churchill informative:
    Churchill on Islam, Print Your Own wallet cards
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6066-churchill-on-islam-wallet-cards&rct

  14. duh_swami says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 4:28 am

    What was the study group studying and why did Mohammad get kicked out?
    Was he upset because the group rejected his da’wah and refused to praise Allah? When do we hear from study group members about that?

    • quotha raven says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 5:12 am

      To DuhSwami – My question exactly. Wondered if maybe they kicked them out because he tried to convert them. I have a lot of questions about and for the study group! Cheers! qr

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 1:57 pm

      The Study Group was discussing how Islam is a wonderful religion of peace that teaches only sugar & spice and everything multiculturally nice. Faisal kept insisting they had it all wrong: “Islam is JIHAD against the Unbeliever until they submit to Allah and His Prophet — or until they Islamic rule if they are a People of the Book — and if neither of these…” he made a cutting motion across his throat.

      “No, no, no, Faisal, you don’t know your own Islam. Have you been radicalized on the Net again? Please, have some more Lebanese pastry and calm down — let’s all hold hands and sing Kumbaya…”

      “KUMBAYA???” Faisal interrupts, getting to his feet, breaking the Circle. “That is a polytheistic song!!! That is Jahiliyya, that is Shirk — punishable by death, Alhamdullilah…!!!”

      “Don’t be so silly, Faisal. You have been learning the wrong Islam. Please, let us show you what true Islam is — come on, everybody, group hug…”

      Faisal starts quoting Surat-at-Tauba (condemning them all to Hellfire in the next life, and to being killed in this life). The Study Group doesn’t know what that is, of course (it’s not part of the “true Islam” they know).

      “Faisal, what you’re saying now sounds hateful and intolerant; you almost sound like a Christian now. We’re afraid you should take a time out and leave the Study Group. We welcome you to return when you’re not so angry anymore — maybe it would be good for you to go to your mosque and seek advice & counseling from your priest.”

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 1:58 pm

      Woops typo — “or until they Islamic rule if they are a People of the Book ” should be:

      “or until they submit to Islamic rule if they are a People of the Book “

  15. BC says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 4:36 am

    Mohammed slashed and stabbed four people, including two students, a student aide and Byron Price, a 31-year-old construction manager who intervened.
    “He had a smile on his face, he was having fun, which is more the thing that bothers me,” said Byron Price, who was managing the construction site at the university for his family’s construction company.
    This is the same as the people you see stoning people to death, they are enjoying it.
    Nothing to do with Islam of course.

  16. Angemon says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 6:47 am

    “There was nothing to indicate he was doing this because of Allah, or because he was going to be rewarded with 72 virgins, or because of ties to a terror group,” Warnke said. “He appeared to be a devout Muslim, on the strong side of the belief.”

    Let’s see if I can follow this “logic”: Faisal Mohammad was a “devout Muslim, on the strong side of the belief”, i.e., he’s a strong believer in a religion that tells its followers that the only way to reach paradise, where 72 virgins and the sexual prowess of 30 men await them, is to kill and die for allah, and there’s no apparent reason for his actions, but Mr. Warnke assures us there is nothing to indicate he was doing it for the nookie?

  17. Sam says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 6:51 am

    This JIHAD is not discussed anywhere but here at JW as what it really is. At work my young co workers were all in agreement that bruce brutality against blacks had to be stopped. I can not get a conversation start about Islam, Jihad, ISis brutallity things like that. American people do not want the truth. USA became a socialist country where the state does the thinking for the citizen with the help of the media. We are not doing good at all as a nation. 2016 election will not do anything as Hillary may very well elected.

    • quotha raven says

      Nov 8, 2015 at 9:38 am

      I have similar difficulties, Sam, in engaging regular Americans in any serious discussion about the nature of Islam and the function of jihad. When I try to encourage any discussion, I can almost hear the minds snapping shut.

      I have a friend whom I’ll call “little Suzy Sunshine” – a lovely woman, really, but she has told me she’d prefer not to think about the nature of jihad or Islam or any of the rest of it. She focuses exclusively on, is *fixated* on the “moderate muslim majority” – her PCMC notion, you know, the “muslims who just want a sandwich” a super popular concept that Voeg will abhor, as I do. I tell her I don’t want to talk about that “majority”, that they are not the ones who interest me, primarily. When I tell her I am interested in keeping track of those who want to destroy and dominate Western civilization, that I find jihad more critically important, Suzy Sunshine resists and defers and deflects and dodges and, finally, admits she’s more comfortable with her head buried in the sand.

      What does one do with such people? I have contemplated “ignorance is bliss” but I still cannot wrap my mind around the new age concept that “thinking makes it so.”

      Cheers! qr

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 8, 2015 at 8:50 pm

        And unfortunately, Quotha, even that “majority” of Muslims in the West who are supposedly not apt to wage violent Jihad still support the imposition of Shari’ah law here.

  18. William R Nicholson says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 7:18 am

    Maj. Media Is so clueless they’ll probably blame the rampaging knife wielders attack on a break-up with a non-existent girlfriend ! I’ll bet there are no legit claims that this guy had any true girlfriend as most women don’t believe it’s good to date someone with an ax or knife in his hand.

  19. vlparker says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 7:53 am

    Of course we all know that allah and beheading have nothing to do with islam.

  20. Georg says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 9:37 am

    Allah has nothing to do with religion.

    War is peace.

  21. Tom Washburn says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 10:10 am

    I have a friend in Israel who recently said that Islam should be allowed as a terrorist organization. Notice, he did not say “hamas”, “hizballah”, “isis”, or any other group. He said Islam in general. I told him that I would vote for him!

  22. JUST wONDERING says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 10:54 am

    Cool knife Mohammutt how would you like to bring it to the White House?

  23. abad says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    Dead. Shark. Eyes.

    He should be deported.

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 2:02 pm

      He should have been deported before he tried to kill people (he was only stopped by sheer luck of opportunity) — but the Counter-Jihad Softies want to wait until after we get killed.

      • Angemon says

        Nov 7, 2015 at 9:10 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “the Counter-Jihad Softies want to wait until after we get killed.”

        Where, voeg? You’re not ascribing the “softies” something they never said because your favorite method of debate is “s***-flinging like a monkey”, are you?

  24. Lenny Thetruth says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    I don’t have a hard time believing that he wasn’t doing this slaughter for Jihad. Yes, he was a devout Muslim and they did provide him with the mental tools he needed to do this, but he was batshit crazy. When I hear the arguement against guns on campus, I will think about this guy. I don’t like the idea that whenever there is violence, it continues till a policeman shows up.

    People don’t just pick up a weapon and kill. Nobody would be left. There has to be a reason for doing this, but it’s one of those mental problems we can only diagnose after the fact. Did he read all the problems Islam has caused, and just wanted to join the “party”? Did he lose touch with reality and forget about the sanctity of life? Did some girl just embarrass him and he was angry? We have to guess, because nobody in authority wats to believe the obvious. Somebody preached hate. Small minds tend to follow shallow minds.

    Then, there is the political decision here, to deflect these actions from Islam. It is no coincidence he tried to use a knife to do the killing, as outlined in the koran. In all fairness to muslims, we know they don’t like to fight. Killing is okay, but if you fight, you may get hurt and then you would be forced to cry in public. So, instead, you use a knife and sneak up on people. Or you use a bomb. And, if you do die in the process of these killings, those you kill will be your servants in the afterlife.

  25. Rich says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    There are NO lone wolves in Jihad –Pamela Geller..
    Muslim student in California Stabs Victims While Smiling, Following Muhammad’s Teachings..
    A student who ‘smiled’ as he stabbed four people inside a classroom at the University of California, Merced, before he was killed by police has been identified as Faisal Mohammad. This “smiling stabber” had a reason to smile while he was stabbing, which is a dead giveaway that Faisal Mohammad is a fundamentalist Muslim.

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/11/muslim-man-in-california-stabs-victims-while-smiling-following-muhammads-teachings/

  26. voegelinian says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 3:10 pm

    Once again, a Western mainstream representative (and how much more mainstream can you get than the Sheriff of a county in California?) officially denies any connection between Islam and an act of violence by a Muslim who himself imbued his plan and execution of the plan with Islamic rhetoric and symbolism.

    And following that, once again we see Counter-Jihadists understandably express their frustration at this myopia — not only because it is folly irrationally disconnected from a reasonable interpretation of the facts; not only because it contributes to the climate of cluelessness and useful idiocy that continues to endanger all our lives; but also because it has been happening all over the West for years, every time a Muslim explodes, stabs, shoots, or beheads.

    Then, following their frustration, the Counter-Jihadists begin to thrash around in the Explanatory Vacuum, with predictable reactions: “Warnke must be a Leftist” or “Warnke is a coward” (the Timidity explanation — or any one of other Esdrujula Elves — Cupidity, Stupidity, or Rigidity) or various rumblings and premonitions budging the compass needle in the direeection of conspiracy theory of one sort or another.

    The first step out of the limitations of this Explanatory Vacuum, which exerts pressure to seek an explanation either too facile (the Esdrujula Elves, or “those damned Leftists”) or too extreme (conspiracy theory) would be to become aware of the massive fact that untold numbers of non-Leftists also bend over backwards to respect Islam and Muslims. The second step would be to shake off the tempting — but ultimately specious — habit of assuming everyone who bends over backwards to respect Islam and Muslims is either stupid, greedy, or cowardly; when it’s fairly evident that many who do so are not any of these things (or at least not to the degree that would the massive Westwide effect which, to our dismay, we keep seeing all around us ever since 911, and even getting worse the more that Muslims explode).

    The third step would be to cultivate, or remember, an appreciation for broad phenomena of sociology, anthropology, and trends of culture: terms like “worldview” and “paradigm shift” and “fashion of thought” should be used, as a sign that we are trying to understand this massive phenomenon in ways more sophisticated than through merely browbeating individuals with insults or lurching toward conspiracy theories.

    Practicing these three steps leads us to the mirror image, so to speak, of the famous dictum of the Art of War (“Know thine enemy”); where he it is, or should become, the dictum of a new Art of the War of Ideas: Know thy friend — where our “friend” is our own fellow Westerners who persist in whitewashing the problem of Islam, but who cannot all be dastardly Leftists with horns and tails. Indeed, when we look more closely at the matter (and when we get out once in a while) we see that it seems that most of the Westerners who persist in whitewashing Islam are indeed “decent moms and pops like the rest of us” — another mirror image. If cogent and if true, this is hopeful, for that means that a critical mass of the West is amenable to persuasion on this matter over time, even if they currently seem rather stubborn in their pleasantly deluded shibboleths of multiculturalism.

    Once we get this far, we can begin to examine the behavior of this Friend: what more precisely are they doing when they continue to indulge their reflex spasm to defend Islam? And why? I continue to maintain that the primary motivation afoot here is a fear of “bigotry” and “racism” (where the sneer quotes indicate an irrationally and anxiously Orwellian perversion of actual bigotry and racism — which indeed should be eschewed by all good men and women) — a fear, in turn, which wouldn’t make sense unless these PC MCs who indulge this racialized Islam and Muslims. Over the years, I have noticed that the best the Counter-Jihadists can come up with to refute this primary tendency (that is, when the Counter-Jihadist actually notices it is a significant factor and doesn’t, like Angemon, deny its existence, or like gravenimage, dismiss its primary importance) is to repeat the mantra “Islam is not a race” (often couched as a rhetorical question, “What race is Islam again…?”). The mantra by itself is good enough; but it evidently isn’t up to the task of grappling with a neurosis as deeply entrenched as PC MC is. It also glosses over the fact that whenever a person’s attention is adverted to Muslims in nearly any context, they indeed see people who “look ethnic” — a repeated experience which even if only subliminally reinforces the racialization of the issue in which PC MCs routinely indulge.

    Etc.

    Further reading:

    Color-Blindness
    http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2011/03/color-blindness.html

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 3:27 pm

      P.S.: I.e., Sheriff Warnke is making the logical (albeit irrational) connection between Islam and all Muslims (or at least, that vast majority of Muslims Who Just Wanna Have a Sandwich). In his mind, we reasonably conjecture (I added “we reasonably conjecture” in order to fend off the snipping terrier Angemon who will expend time and 100 words needling me about whether I’m “reading minds again”), the thread connecting Islam to all Muslims is connected so tightly and surely, that to discover any given Muslim being inspired by Islam to hate and violence would, inexorably, lead us to the profoundly uncomfortable implication of Muslims in general. So the best way to head that thought crime off at the pass is to not think it, and immediately deny it whenever it bubbles up as a rhetorical question.

      Further Reading:

      A shift from Islam to Muslims
      http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/10/a-shift-from-islam-to-muslims.html

      • voegelinian says

        Nov 7, 2015 at 3:30 pm

        Note: I must think about why I added the parenthetical remark (“albeit irrational”) — since I myself connect Islam to all Muslims (if anyone other than Angemon wishes to weigh in and palpate this in a spirit of fair discussion rather than mean-spirited sophistry as he is wont to do, I’m all eyes).

        • Champ says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 6:13 pm

          voeg wrote:

          “if anyone other than Angemon wishes to weigh in and palpate this in a spirit of fair discussion rather than mean-spirited sophistry…”

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Double Standard and Lying Alert!!

          Most of what voeg writes toward other posters is “mean-spirited”, so he has zero room to talk, in that department. I even laughed-out-loud at voeg’s glaring double standard–again.

          Secondly, voeg is lying about Angemon …

          Angemon does not engage in “sophistry”. That accusation is completely false and beyond absurd.

          Lets look at the definition of “sophistry”:

          soph·ist·ry
          ˈsäfəstrē/Submit
          noun
          the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.

          I see mohammedans using this tactic, but not Angemon. Not even in his responses to voeg–where Angemon remains truthful, fair, and spot on.

          Once again, voeg is lying about Angemon: one of many examples of how mean-spirited voeg can be.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 9:37 pm

          Champ posted:

          “Double Standard and Lying Alert!!

          Most of what voeg writes toward other posters is “mean-spirited”, so he has zero room to talk, in that department. I even laughed-out-loud at voeg’s glaring double standard–again.”

          Indeed, Champ. Recently, voeg called people here “fucktards”. Why? Because they don’t “get” the “problem of Islam and the problem of the problem”. And how did voeg arrived to that conclusion? Because people here aren’t tripping over one another to act like his cronies and toadies. No, people here have the gall to think for themselves and even *gasp* question what he says. And he simply can’t have that, even if it means astroturfing support and calling it 100% organic grassroots.

          “Lets look at the definition of “sophistry”:

          soph·ist·ry
          ˈsäfəstrē/Submit
          noun
          the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.
          ”

          Ironically, that’s a mainstay of voeg’s tactics – it’s the reason why he goes around from topic to topic telling just how terrible the people he deridingly refers to as “softies” are – they don’t agree with what he says? that means they want to get people killed because of their “ethic narcissism”.

          “I see mohammedans using this tactic, but not Angemon. Not even in his responses to voeg–where Angemon remains truthful, fair, and spot on.”

          🙂

        • Angemon says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 9:26 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Note: I must think about why I added the parenthetical remark (“albeit irrational”) — since I myself connect Islam to all Muslims (if anyone other than Angemon wishes to weigh in and palpate this in a spirit of fair discussion rather than mean-spirited sophistry as he is wont to do, I’m all eyes).”

          And here is voegelinian, showing he’s available for “fair discussion” by making a nasty, unsubstantiated remark about other user (when did you ever explained why anything I write is “sophistry”?) and refusing to discuss with said user. What could be more fair than refusing to discuss?

        • Jay Boo says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 10:06 pm

          Note to reply voeg
          I forgot to hit reply and by the time I posted my comment it posted to ‘newer comments’ but no offense should be taken by voeg since he often comments about others at random.

        • Champ says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 11:41 pm

          Angemon wrote:

          Recently, voeg called people here “fucktards”.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Whoa talk about mean-spirited!! …wow voeg continues to show his true colors and they aren’t pretty.

          Angemon, if this is his opinion of everyone, then why does he choose to remain on JW? …to torment everyone? Things that make you go hmm …

        • quotha raven says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 12:58 am

          to Champ, who sez “…then why does he choose to remain on JW? …to torment everyone?”

          I find Voeg engaging and amusing, especially when he occasionally busts out of the exhausting scholastic style he usually employs…his ideas interest me. Oh, no. I wouldn’t shut him up ever, anywhere, anytime! He’s passionate in his sweet, defensive way, and he’s my idea of a real asset here.

          Cheers!

          quotha r

        • Angemon says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:27 pm

          Champ posted:

          “Angemon, if this is his opinion of everyone, then why does he choose to remain on JW?”

          That I do not know, but I suspect that it’s for a similar reason to the one that drives muslims to go en masse to the West: people there are not following their ideology, and they *will* change it, one way or another.

        • Champ says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 1:30 am

          I COMPLETELY disagree with you, quotha raven …

          You may find voeg “amusing”, but I do not. He’s an abusive bully whose been banned at least 5 times in the past now, and he deserves to be banned again. Permanently …

          Voeg has hit a new low–even for voeg–by posting a Youtube video, on this same thread, where he and Godless are smearing Angemon. No now he’s using Jihad Watch as a platform to further his abuse and lies against Angemon, and hes taken it to a **whole** new level. A new low.

          Amusing? Hardly! This is sick.

        • quotha raven says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 1:57 am

          to Champ – Perhaps I’m just a little more laid back than some. I’m really not at all into banishing or gagging anyone, and I haven’t got any skin in the game of Voeg and those whom he offends and insults. My emotional energy does not extend that far.

          I like some of those people for their own input here, and the thing with Voeg is not something I’m really interested in, specifically because it is conducted on such a personal level amongst the combatants! I tend to compartmentalize and prioritize, and I don’t have the interest or knowledge to support or prosecute anybody here. And I cannot simply forget some very smart things Voeg has said, so I’d never throw him under the buzz. Cheers! quotha r

        • Angemon says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:34 pm

          Champ posted:

          “Voeg has hit a new low–even for voeg–by posting a Youtube video, on this same thread, where he and Godless are smearing Angemon. No now he’s using Jihad Watch as a platform to further his abuse and lies against Angemon, and hes taken it to a **whole** new level. A new low.”

          What can I say? Apparently I’m important enough for him to try to discredit – I guess if not for me he’d be pushing American muslims off a plane over Sudan 🙂

          He willingly and willfully refuses to go, for example, after a prominent muslim, or a prominent muslim apologist, or a politician like Keith Ellison,. No, his priority (only?) target is an anti-islamic poster on a website dedicated to exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts.

          Priorities, priorities…

        • Godless says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 9:02 am

          Angemon said “He willingly and willfully refuses to go, for example, after a prominent muslim, or a prominent muslim apologist, or a politician like Keith Ellison,”

          Voeg wrote this in 2008 “k) Keith Ellison (Muslim Congressman from Minnesota): Ellison officially supports the Obama campaign. Meanwhile, Ellison has been a friend of Nihad Awad, co-founder of CAIR, for decades, and received support during his own bid for his Congressional seat from Awad. Furthermore, Awad in 1994 expressed his unequivocal support for the terrorist group Hamas whose members before 1994 murdered Israeli civilians. Ellison’s troubling connections and associations are more numerous, as can be gleaned from this story on his attendance at a November 2006 meeting of Muslim-American clerics, some of whom themselves have connections to Islamic supremacism that is antithetical to Western democracy.”

          http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-and-mccain-lesser-of-two-evils_30.html

        • Angemon says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 3:06 pm

          Godless posted:

          “Voeg wrote this in 2008”

          He wrote a LOT more about me, Wellington,Jay Boo, Mirren10, gravenimage, and especially about Robert Spencer. Did voeg create a blog dedicated to Keith Ellison? No, he created a blog dedicated to defame Mr. Spencer. It’s clear what voeg’s – and, by proxy, your – targets are, and it’s not Keith Ellison or any other muslim or non-muslim islamic apologists.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 9:38 pm

          Angemon wrote about me:

          “He wrote a LOT more about me, Wellington,Jay Boo, Mirren10, gravenimage, and especially about Robert Spencer.”

          Angemon is too kind; but really, I can’t possibly hold a candle to his monstrously prodigious output obsessively fixating on me over the past 2 years in hundreds of posts in which he pesters me and nitpicks me because, apparently, he’s offended by my more robust stand against Muslims.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 10:47 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Angemon is too kind;”

          I spoke the truth.

          “but really, I can’t possibly hold a candle to his monstrously prodigious output obsessively fixating on me”

          The guy who routinely goes out of his way to talk about me and ascribe me falsehoods, even before I post on a topic, is accusing me of “obsessively fixating” on him? The guy who emailed people and demanded them to come after me is accusing me of obsession? The guy who, by his own admission, went on PalTalk to complain about me, and is producing videos with the intent of discrediting me is accusing me of obsession? Projection, thy name is voegelinian! Plus, my replies to you are a minor part of my overall posts in JW. You know this because I’ve told you so. And you haven’t given anything else to prove the contrary. Ergo, you’re willingly lying. You are a liar.

          “over the past 2 years”

          Again with that claim? Shouldn’t be hard for you to find one dating back to 2013 – you know, on the account of my “monstrously prodigious output”. I’ve been asking you to do so since what, January- February?, and you still have nothing to show to back your claim.

          “in hundreds of posts in which he pesters me and nitpicks me”

          Which is your double-speak to “reply to you” and “question you”. Not really sure why you think that your posts should have some sort of special status exempting them from criticism, but your remark is dully noted.

          “because, apparently, he’s offended by my more robust stand against Muslims.”

          Like I said, you routinely go out of your way to ascribe falsehoods. This is just another example of it.

          It is, however, ironic that the person who tries to carve a niche for himself by saying “some people want to genocide all muslims, but I say we merely need to deport them” is criticizing someone else on the account of their “softness”.

          Anyway, back to what I said – rather than going after islamic apologists or politicians, you went out of your way to make a video aimed at discrediting me. Good to see that in the fight against jihad you have your priorities set up – why bother going after islamic apologists when you can simply go after counter-jihadis? Much safer to go after the people who *won’t* kill you if you lie about them, right?

      • Angemon says

        Nov 7, 2015 at 9:23 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “In his mind, we reasonably conjecture (I added “we reasonably conjecture” in order to fend off the snipping terrier Angemon who will expend time and 100 words needling me about whether I’m “reading minds again”)”

        It’s sad that you need to go out of your way to say you’re only “conjecturing”, even though you offer no evidence to back it, because you don’t want another user to ask you about your mind-reading capabilities. In essence, you’re saying you *know* what was going on in his mind but you’re calling it “conjecture” so you can escape valid criticism.

        • Godless says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 10:21 pm

          Voeg and I both agree that Angemon’s dogged obsessiveness to have the last word can be useful for attacking Muslim apologists (and Voeg tells me in the past he has read Angemon doing good this way in comments). Should people like Angemon get pushed out of the backdoor of the CJ, because they keep nipping at the heels of their allies? Voeg and I still think Angemon is useful, sort of like a caged guard dog to be taken out only when needed. I have discussed this with him. We think Angemon should be like a Terrier locked in a crate in the basement and when we take him out to sic him on the Muzzies, we need to keep him muzzled so that he doesn’t start snapping at the heels of his own allies in the CJ.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:23 pm

          voeg’s mouthpiece posted:

          “Voeg and I both agree that Angemon’s dogged obsessiveness to have the last word”

          My “dogged obsessiveness to have the last word”? It may appear that way to you and your master because facts are to you, as well to islamic apologists, what sunlight is to vampires.

          “be useful for attacking Muslim apologists (and Voeg tells me in the past he has read Angemon doing good this way in comments).”

          Why the past tense? I post nowadays as I always have. I mean, I have less time to reply to islamic apologists because I think it’s important to shed light on the rubbish voeg spreads about me on a daily basis, but that’s it. Anyway, someone has to pick up voeg’s slack – we certainly can’t count on voeg to debunk the usual bullcrap islamic apologists try to get away with ever so often. Not when he’s too busy going out of his way to deride people like Robert Spencer, Raymond Ibrahim, Hugh Fitzgerald, plus an untold number of anonymous commentators.

          “Should people like Angemon get pushed out of the backdoor of the CJ”

          Here we see voeg’s DNA – the desire to impose ideological supremacy, the desire to decide what the CJ movement is and who gets to be called a CJ. It’s not enough that there’s a group of people from all walks of life who fundamentally agree on one thing. No, he, and only he, should get to decide the requirements needed so one can call themselves a Counter-Jihadi. And, spoiler alert, those requirements include unconditional support of whatever it is voeg thinks. See, his “logic” goes like this:

          1) – He’s tough on muslims.
          2) – We know 1) because he tells us so.
          3) – If you disagree with any of his ideas and actions then you’re not though on muslims, you’re a “softy”, and you’re part of the problem and not part of the solution. Therefore, you get pushed out the backdoor.

          “because they keep nipping at the heels of their allies? ”

          Where did I exactly “nipped at the heels” of anyone, let alone “allies”? Voeg’s issue with me is that he can’t face facts and open discussion of ideas – I questioned him a few times on a couple of issues and he became obsessed with me, the people who agreed with me, and the people who he feels they should be white-knighting him but aren’t. And seeing how he willingly ignores valid criticism and opts instead to engage in slander and character assassination, I’d say my criticism is right on target.

          If by “allies” you mean you and voeg (and there’s no evidence that you’re talking about anyone else but the two of you), lol, no – as I’ve pointed out several times, voeg doesn’t think of anyone here as being his ally. Either you’re with him or against him – there’s no middle-ground. And seeing how he regularly lashes out at people who consider(ed) him as an ally, it’s easy to see that he thinks of “allies” the same as muslim rulers think of “dhimmies” – they’re useful for providing support but certainly not equal with him, and their status can change depending on their whims. As for you, and seeing how you came to be here, and what you do here, there’s exactly 0 (zero) evidence that you ever thought of me as an ally, so rebutting your insane, unsubstantiated accusations against me is not, in any sane logic, “nipping at the heels” of an “ally”.

          “Voeg and I still think Angemon is useful, sort of like a caged guard dog to be taken out only when needed. I have discussed this with him. We think Angemon should be like a Terrier locked in a crate in the basement and when we take him out to sic him on the Muzzies, we need to keep him muzzled so that he doesn’t start snapping at the heels of his own allies in the CJ.”

          This only goes to support what I’ve said many, many times: voeg is quick on the draw when it comes to deride and undermine people in the CJ movement but he makes himself scarce when it comes to confronting islamic apologists – like i said a few paragraphs ago, someone has to pick up voeg’s slack. Hence why he needs someone else to “sic on the muzzies”.

          The thing is, you have literally no saying in what I say and do. Feel free to remain in your echo chamber, patting each other’s back and telling yourselves how right you are and how wrong others are. Or come here and place your twisted mind and logic on display for everyone to see. That you even think about “muzzling” someone tells us everything we need to know about your stance on free speech – it’s no different than the stance of muslims or their non-muslim apologists: other people can say whatever they want just as long it’s what you want to hear. Otherwise, you need to be “muzzled” and “locked in a crate in the basement”. Plus, you lack even the most basic level of respect and courtesy for other human beings – your dehumanization of me is no different, in nature, than the dehumanization of Jews in pre-WWII Germany and non-muslims in muslim-majority countries.

          tl;dr: you two creeps have (again) shown how execrable you are. Plus, you simply don’t get what drives the CJ movement, but for whatever reason you feel entitled to say what defines it and who gets to be called a CJ, and any dissenting voice is to be silenced, one way or another.

        • Champ says

          Nov 7, 2015 at 10:49 pm

          Hmm, are “Godless” and “voeg” one in the same? Methinks so. They write *very* similar to one another.

          But Marc would know for certain …

        • quotha raven says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 12:25 am

          To Champ (nice to see ya back)), who sez “…Hmm, are “Godless” and “voeg” one in the same? Methinks so. They write *very* similar to one another. But Marc would know for certain … ”

          et al re Voegelinian and Godless.

          Champ, you dog! LOL. Actually the same thing occurred to me, esp because of the writing style similarity…it’s as though Godless is making a conscious effort not to duplicate the writing style of Voeg…My first reaction was a visceral one: Oh. Voeg has invented for himself the friend or supporter he used to whine a bit about in terms of lack of same’s availability here. (Sorry about my own nightmare syntaxt, etc,jumbled style in prev sentence. )

          I thought it was at once a little sad and quite juicy.And who knows? Maybe Godless is somebody totally else!

          I can’t resist jumping in after ten years of repeated exposure and tangential playful involvement in the more gossipy side of JW comments..some may even recall that I was Voeg’s “lap dog” no…”sock puppet”! …briefly. It was an unsuitable position for me, so I didn’t last long.)))

          Cheers! quotha r
          P.S.Marc might not know. It’s poss to have more than one email address, hence several subscriptions in different names to JW. Non?

        • Angemon says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:25 pm

          Champ posted:

          “Hmm, are “Godless” and “voeg” one in the same? Methinks so. They write *very* similar to one another.”

          They do. There’s even posts where Godless goes full voeg (as in, his posts are indistinguishable up to grammar and speech patterns – you know, voeg’s usual “Angemon does such and such, and thinks such and such”), and clumsily and hastily changed that after I pointed that out. Which prompted me to inquire Godless about it, and eventually voeg spoke about it:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/france-radical-prisoner-on-the-run-after-getting-temporary-leave-from-prison-shoots-policeman-in-the-head#comment-1308385

          As I said, it makes no difference to me whether they are one person or two and one is parroting the other’s speech. Of course, since voeg is not one to lose a perfectly good chance to tarnish someone he hates with a burning passion, he decided to create the narrative I thought Godless was his sockpuppet. He presented no evidence to back that, but you know him – why present evidence when he can simply repeat a lie until people believe him?

        • Jay Boo says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 12:00 am

          Hi champ
          In the above comment Godless says

          — “Voeg and I both agree”
          — “and Voeg tells me”
          — “Voeg and I still think”
          — “I have discussed this with him. We think”

          This is LAUGHABLY amateurish beyond words which proves that a voegelinian inspired intellectual arrogance trips over its own feet.

        • Champ says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 12:21 am

          Hi, Jay Boo,

          Exactly! So you see them as the same person, too.

          Good list. And voeg isn’t even trying to hide the fact that he and Godless are One.

          And these phrases:

          1) “dogged obsessiveness to have the last word”

          2) “get pushed out of the backdoor of the CJ, because they keep nipping at the heels of their allies?”

          3) “sort of like a caged guard dog to be taken out only when needed”

          4) “be like a Terrier locked in a crate in the basement and when we take him out to sic him on the Muzzies”

          These phrases sound very much like something voeg would write. Wow how pathetic: defending yourself, by pretending to be someone else.

          And voeg’s final remark–against Angemon–is *pure* unadulterated PROJECTION:

          5) “we need to keep him muzzled so that he doesn’t start snapping at the heels of his own allies in the CJ.”

          Oh please, #5 is what voeg is famous for! …a.k.a. this Godless clown.

        • Jay Boo says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 12:30 am

          So true Champ with all those examples you listed.
          It won’t be long before Godless slips up and writes “asymptotic, or mountain of data.”

          I am concerned that when voegelinian looks in the mirror and the mirror talks back in agreement that he assumes it validates his tenuous opinions.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 12:30 am

          Godless wrote:

          Voeg and I still think Angemon is useful, sort of like a caged guard dog to be taken out only when needed…
          ………………………….

          Good grief. Godless–with all respect–this is an appallingly dismissive and condescending way to talk about your allies, whatever your specific disagreements might be.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 12:51 am

          Champ says

          November 7, 2015 at 10:49 pm

          Hmm, are “Godless” and “voeg” one in the same? Methinks so. They write *very* similar to one another.

          *******

          Very interesting speculation from Champ. In fact, when Godless first came into JW a couple of (a few?) weeks ago, Angemon made insinuations that she was my “sock puppet” (then of course he denied that later, and now refers to her as “voegelinian’s mouthpiece”).

          Anyway, Champ’s comment provides the perfect segue for an unprecedented thing I’d like to do now in JW comments. I’d like to provide a link that will take the clicker to a YouTube video which shows me and Godless in a Paltalk chat room actually having a conversation (about 10 minutes).

          When Godless first came into JW, I had to explain to Angemon and his friends that Godless was a real person I had met in Paltalk chat — in their sections which have many different anti-Islam rooms (usually in the “Human Rights” section). We are doing this also hopefully to entice Jihad Watch commenters to try Paltalk voice chat out in some of the anti-Islam rooms that are here. Talking in real time on mic is a great way to augment one’s conversation — there are nuances you can’t convey in pure visual text, for one thing.

          In this recording we did just tonight`, you will see and hear me and Godless in a chat room I created there called “The freedom to insult Muhammad”.

          Enjoy!

        • Angemon says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:28 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Very interesting speculation from Champ. In fact, when Godless first came into JW a couple of (a few?) weeks ago, Angemon made insinuations that she was my “sock puppet” (then of course he denied that later, and now refers to her as “voegelinian’s mouthpiece”).”

          And, of course, no evidence to back that narrative. As for Godless being here for “a couple of (a few?) weeks”, that’s just false:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/06/muslim-clerics-those-who-insult-muhammad-have-no-right-to-live#comment-1254638

          “When Godless first came into JW, I had to explain to Angemon and his friends that Godless was a real person I had met in Paltalk chat ”

          Nope. You did that months after he reared his ugly head, and after I pointed out several times the similarities between your posts. I believe if not for my insistence you’d be parading Godless as a grassroots example of random support for you rather than the engineered Astroturf he really is.

        • Champ says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 1:40 am

          voeg’s smear campaign against Angemon is sick and disgraceful! And whoever Godless is needs to have his/her head examined for being willing to take part in this Youtube video. Shame on you, too!

          And how dare voeg use **Jihad Watch** as a platform to further his abuse and attacks against Angemon.

          Wow voeg has achieved a new low. Disgusting.

        • samhuntington says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 1:50 am

          Another paltalker here…uh Godless and voegelinian (aka Mecca or 54) are definitely different chatters. Regulars on paltalk know em and love em. Don’t get the discord here but love the website. Keep up the good work JihadWatch!!

          SamHuntington

        • Godless says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 6:27 am

          Champ said “And voeg isn’t even trying to hide the fact that he and Godless are One.”

          Then Champ said “And whoever Godless is needs to have his/her head examined for being willing to take part in this Youtube video. Shame on you, too!”

          If I am a sockpuppet then why are you addressing me?

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 2:43 pm

          I posted my comment about SamHuntington (and thanking him!) sort of in the wrong place (this comments layout is ill-suited to the more complicated trees of replies and counter-replies that can accrue in a normally robust comments thread, and far better layouts exist in other discussion forums out there on the Internet). It should go in this sub-thread I’m at now (I think…)

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/uc-merced-stabber-devout-muslim-manifesto-included-praise-allah-beheading-plan/comment-page-1#comment-1321623

        • Champ says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:45 pm

          Godless asks:

          If I am a sockpuppet then why are you addressing me?

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          To play along with your pretense that you’re a separate individual, that’s why …

          Got delusions-of-grandeur much?

        • Champ says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 6:25 pm

          Here’s a thought …

          voeg probably used two separate computers to create that Youtube video, along with two separate monikers on Paltalk: voeg and Godless.

          This is a possible scenerio, and very simple to accomplish …

          My husband and I each have separate computers; so I wouldn’t put it past voeg to use two computers–or perhaps two separate Paltalk accounts–to create the two individuals, on Paltalk, that are presented in his stupid video (above).

          This is **completely** within the realm of possibility, especially where voeg is concerned. In fact, it’s more than likely that this is what voeg has actually done to further his silly games.

          When you examine the exchanges on that video, one person could *easily* pretend to be having a converation with someone else, so voeg hasn’t proven that he and Godless are separate AT ALL.

          I still maintain that voeg and Godless are the same person. Yeah voeg hasn’t proven a thing–except to demonstrate just how far he’ll go to try and deceive everyone.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 9:19 pm

          Champ posted:

          “Here’s a thought …

          voeg probably used two separate computers to create that Youtube video, along with two separate monikers on Paltalk: voeg and Godless.
          ”

          If I may, Champ, I think it makes no difference whether or not voeg and Godless are one and the same person. Godless is here because of voeg and to follow his orders, parrot his speech and lash out at whomever he points his finger to – i.e., it’s voeg doing all the work behind the scenes, one way or another, Godless is here to lie (mostly about me) and say all manner of stupid crap that would cost voeg whatever reputation he thinks he still has. Like when Godless accused me of editing my posts when anyone with an account here should know it’s not possible to do so (hence why we often see voeg replying to his own posts to correct typos).

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 9:19 pm

          Champ says

          November 8, 2015 at 6:25 pm

          Here’s a thought …

          voeg probably used two separate computers to create that Youtube video, along with two separate monikers on Paltalk: voeg and Godless.

          This is a possible scenerio, and very simple to accomplish …

          *************************

          Yes, that is a thought; I’ll grant Champ that. Otherwise, it’s so preposterous one would reasonably conjecture she’s trolling. Anyone can listen to that recording and judge for themselves that Godless is an actual, different female person.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMnii0QTtLE&feature=youtu.be

          We’ll be posting another recording tonight (hopefully) in which at least two other Paltalkers will be participating. Then Champ can have another “thought”.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 10:37 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “it’s so preposterous one would reasonably conjecture she’s trolling.”

          Much of what you say is preposterous – by your logic, I guess it’s safe to conjecture you’re trolling. Which would actually explain… well, everything.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 9:29 pm

          Voegelinian posted:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMnii0QTtLE&feature=youtu.be
          …………………………….

          Voegelinian and Godless Girl are obvious both intelligent people–incidentally, I never thought they were one and the same person–but I wish they spent even half their time opposing Jihad as they do here on spatting with other Anti-Jihadists–particularly Angemon, at this specific point.

          Sadly, this very much reminds me of “Jihad Watch Watch”–where Voegelinian–then posting as Hesperado–ran a blog over a period of *years* that excoriated Robert Spencer for every picayune misstep, real or imagined,

          There is nothing wrong with debating and disputing with your colleagues–arguing solutions and pointing out areas of disagreement–but if you spend all your time in the trenches biting the ankles of your allies rather than fighting your common enemy, one might begin to question the usefulness of this approach.

        • Champ says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 10:34 pm

          vindictive wrote:

          Otherwise, it’s so preposterous one would reasonably conjecture she’s trolling.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Me, “trolling”? ..lol!

          Nah. This is vindictive-voeg’s area of expertise.

          Just more boring projection from the internet bully …

        • Champ says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 11:09 pm

          Angemon wrote:

          “If I may, Champ, I think it makes no difference whether or not voeg and Godless are one and the same person.”

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Angemon, I agree that whether or not voeg and Godless are the same person makes no real difference at all, when compared to the flagrant lies hes written against you. That *does* matter. Which is what provoked me to comment in the first place.

          It was more of an observation, and side issue, for me, that these two might be one in the same person–since I noticed such a similar style in their writing. I’ve been away from JW for a couple of months now, so I was surprised to learn that others had thought the same about these two, as well. I was more struck by how similar they sound.

          AND I find it hard to believe that *anyone* would come to voeg’s defense after all of the nasty things he’s written toward others, either here, or on Jihad Watch Watch. Made more sense to me that they’re the same person. But really, who cares? I get it.

          To be clear, voeg’s lies and internet bullying are what matter to me most, not the true identity of voeg and Godless.

          Take care!

        • Angemon says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 1:45 pm

          Champ posted:

          “I’ve been away from JW for a couple of months now, so I was surprised to learn that others had thought the same about these two, as well. I was more struck by how similar they sound.”

          Which was why I kept pointing them out until voeg had no other choice but to explain it. And still he’s trying to lie about it – the narrative is still not set in stone.

          “Take care!”

          You too, and best regards for you and your loved ones, especially the young’uns 🙂

        • Champ says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 7:33 pm

          Thank you, Angemon. And I wish you and yours the very Best! 🙂

      • Champ says

        Nov 9, 2015 at 10:37 pm

        voeg wrote:

        “I can’t possibly hold a candle to his monstrously prodigious output obsessively fixating on me over the past 2 years in hundreds of posts in which he pesters me and nitpicks me because, apparently, he’s offended by my more robust stand against Muslims.”

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        What a mendacious load of rubbish, from voeg, aimed at Angemon …

        And, once again, I must issue a projection alert against voeg, and in Angemon’s defense–due to the fact that it’s the other way around, and narcissistic voeg is the one who *obsesses* over Angemon.

        The proof lies in the fact that voeg not only writes mean-spirited remarks about Angemon here on Jihad Watch, but most notably, on voeg’s own blog: The Hesperado–which is completely separate from Jihad Watch. And just *yesterday*, voeg took outrageous liberities and posted a childish Youtube video *here* on Jihad Watch attempting to discredit Angemon with more of voeg’s lies–and Godless participated, too!

        Angemon has never taken such *obsessive* measures against voeg–so I repeat, the accusation, leveled at Angemon, is a complete and total LIE, and true only about voeg, himself.

        And, of course, there’s the matter of the other blatant projections offered here by voeg …”pesters me and nitpicks me”. These are things that voeg regularly engages in toward Angemon, and other posters, as well.

        Lastly, it is my firm belief that if voeg completely stopped posting (I can dream, can’t I), then Angemon would NEVER make mention of voeg again. There would be no reason to. Angemon has merely been tireless in his commitment and efforts to confront voeg on his BS. Something only a few others on Jihad Watch care to undertake.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 10:53 pm

          Champ posted:

          “Lastly, it is my firm belief that if voeg completely stopped posting (I can dream, can’t I), then Angemon would NEVER make mention of voeg again. There would be no reason to.”

          Indeed, Champ. I believe that the opposite wouldn’t happen, if PJ serves of any indication – Philip Jihadski hasn’t posted in months and still voegelinian brings him up every so often, much like muslims and islamic apologists bring up the Crusades to make up for their shortage of arguments and play the victim.

        • Champ says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 11:13 pm

          Good point, Angemon. True, just recently I read a comment from voeg where he made a nasty remark about PJ–on another thread–even though PJ hasn’t been posting for several months. Now *that’s* obsessive. Good grief.

    • Angemon says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 9:15 pm

      voegelinian posted:

      “Angemon, deny its existence, or like gravenimage, dismiss its primary importance”

      And, as usual, voeg offers no explanation or evidence of what he claims about my and GI. Facts and debate are to him what sunlight is to vampires.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 8, 2015 at 12:26 am

      Voegelinian wrote:

      Over the years, I have noticed that the best the Counter-Jihadists can come up with to refute this primary tendency (that is, when the Counter-Jihadist actually notices it is a significant factor and doesn’t, like Angemon, deny its existence, or like gravenimage, dismiss its primary importance…
      …………………………..

      I have actually written here about the role of “political correctness” and the widespread fear in the West of appearing bigoted, “Islamophobic”, or “racist” many times–I have never, in fact, denied the primary importance of this phenomenon as an impediment for otherwise decent people in opposing the threat of Islam–far from it.

      Voegelinian, if you take issue with something I have said and wish me to define or defend my position–or to try to convince me that my position is incorrect–that is fine. But to accuse me of taking positions I never have done is just calumny.

      If you are going to attack your fellow Anti-Jihadists–something I find of questionable usefulness at the best of times–at least make you do so accurately.

      • quotha raven says

        Nov 8, 2015 at 1:18 am

        to Gravenimage – You’re right. And I’m a bit generalistic in my defense of Voeg. I just tend to ignore that which I find offensive or boring or wrong (unless I take a deep breath and respond) and every now and then, Voeg comes along with a real nugget of info or insight! Cheers! quotha r-

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 1:44 am

          Hi, Quotha. I agree–Voegelinian often has insight and important points to make. But he also regularly insults his allies here–often quite gratuitously.

          This does not help him make his points–nor, I’m afraid, does it win him many friends.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 2:34 pm

          quotha raven and gravenimage apparently can’t see how condescending they sound.

          “Voegy is a nice boy when he behaves himself, but most of the time he’s a bad boy…”

          Nor do they see the contradiction (if not hypocrisy) involved — they are judging me according to some standard whereby I do the “wrong” thing according to them sometimes (most of the time?) and then I sometimes do the “right” thing; and yet they are wrinkling their noses at me for doing the same thing they are doing.

        • quotha raven says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:29 pm

          Oh, my goodness, Voeg! Tsk, tsk! Seriously – R U nuts? I can’t speak for gravenimage, but I suspect she is no more “wrinkling (her) nose” in judgment, seasoned w/ hypocrisy, than I am!

          “…“Voegy is a nice boy when he behaves himself, but most of the time he’s a bad boy…” Now, who the hell said that, may I ask? I certainly did not, and I don’t recall seeing it anywhere before you stick it up here in unattributed quote marks.

          What I said, actually, is that from time to time you offer valuable nuggets of knowledge and insight,and I wouldn’t gag you anytime, anywhere, anyhow! And gravenimage agreed with me! What is it about “credit giver where credit due” that you don’t understand?

          You are dissembling with those quote marks and behaving like a roaring tithead!

          Cheers! qr

          p.s. I’m begtnning to see exactly where Angemon is coming from. I think I’m almost there.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:41 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “quotha raven and gravenimage apparently can’t see how condescending they sound.”

          It’s hard to see that over the brightness of how right they are. It’s also irrelevant – unless, of course, you’re placing your “personal sensitivities” higher than the “horrible problem Islam presents to us to grapple with”…

          “they are wrinkling their noses at me for doing the same thing they are doing.”

          Tu quoque, logical fallacy, etc. In any case, I don’t recall gravenimage or quotha raven going out of their way to insult and deride specific posters here, which is what you do that on a regular basis, so your comparison is preposterous.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:55 pm

          Voegelinian wrote:

          quotha raven and gravenimage apparently can’t see how condescending they sound.

          “Voegy is a nice boy when he behaves himself, but most of the time he’s a bad boy…”
          ……………………………………

          Actually, Voegelinian, this completely mischaracterizes my position–and that of Quotha Raven.

          And your including quote marks in the above–as if it were actually something I said!–is misleading. I never said this, and never would say or imply such a thing.

          I have *always* treated you and your ideas with respect–even when I have disagreed with you on some particulars.

          In fact, you are the one who has held that if someone disagrees with you in any way that they are somehow ‘betraying” you.

          More:

          Nor do they see the contradiction (if not hypocrisy) involved — they are judging me according to some standard whereby I do the “wrong” thing according to them sometimes (most of the time?) and then I sometimes do the “right” thing; and yet they are wrinkling their noses at me for doing the same thing they are doing.
          ……………………………………

          There is nothing hypocritical in my stance. I respect most of your views, and have always said so. Even when I have disagreed with you, I have always treated you and your views respectfully, and have taken your ideas seriously.

          I have often said that I don’t believe that your attacking your fellow Anti-Jihadists is useful either in your getting your points across–I think this thread illustrates that all too well–or in fostering alliances in the Counter Jihad.

          I think your points about “political correctness” and fears about being considered “Islamophobic” and “racist’ are quite important–but like so much of the rest of your analysis, it has now gotten lost in invective and ad hominems on this thread.

          I have never been hypocritical about my believing that this is terribly counter-productive, but always perfectly open and honest about it.

      • voegelinian says

        Nov 8, 2015 at 2:22 pm

        Thanks Sam! SamHuntington is a guy who has been quite active on Paltalk for a long time, and in my perspective he’s one a small number of Counter-Jihad people there who are appropriately tough on Islam and on Muslims – he really gets it. His previous nickname was “Vlad the Impaler” lol (I can count the number of those who really get it on fingers of the right hand of a Muslim thief…).

        Sam and I disagree about certain things, but we agree on the more important things. Every group has disagreements. Every two people on God’s green earth has disagreements. The question is not whether one has disagreements or not, nor is it whether one has non-negotiable issues or not (sometimes the Jihad Watchers who wrinkle their noses at me sound like they want the Counter-Jihad to be like Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood…) — the question is what are the core issues that the movement should agree on, and what are the peripheral issues about which there can still be disagreement. Just because I am assertive about it and I sprinkle my pov with sardonic, wry barbs against others now and then, doesn’t mean I don’t welcome robust discussion about what constitutes the core issues. It’s a shame that so many on Jihad Watch apparently put their personal sensitivities higher than the horrible problem Islam presents to us to grapple with.

        Anyway, Godless and I will be making further short recordings. I refer to the YouTube recording of our audio conversation we had for 10 minutes on Paltalk last night to which I posted the link in another comment here on this thread –

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMnii0QTtLE&feature=youtu.be

        One or more of these future recordings will hopefully also include Sam and other sterling Paltalkers who haunt the anti-Islam section of Paltalk – among them hopefully Apologist, Pigglet, Polaterality, Ninety Foot Tall Adam, Jasmyn, DKman, and a few others (woops, my list there went beyond the “fingers of the right hand of a Muslim thief” I mentioned above – someone get Angemon on the phone to call me out on my inconsistency and my “lie”…!  ).

        • Jay Boo says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:06 pm

          Just a general cautionary comment on internet acquaintances.
          Impressionable people in particular should always avoid meeting up in person with seemingly suave commenters who illicit obsessive control freaky tendencies.
          Always choose a well lit public, let the other person have the last word and most importantly, have a very detailed exit strategy firmly in place.

        • Jay Boo says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 pm

          a well lit public place

        • Champ says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:28 pm

          Brilliant, Jay Boo!! ..spot on and funny, too! 😀

        • Angemon says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 5:38 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “the question is what are the core issues that the movement should agree on”

          And, of course, you think you’re entitled to decide what those core issues are.

          “Just because I am assertive about it and I sprinkle my pov with sardonic, wry barbs against others now and then”

          Ah, is that how you’re trying to present your unwarranted insulting of other users on JW for daring to disagree with you? Talk about polishing a turd…

          “doesn’t mean I don’t welcome robust discussion about what constitutes the core issues.”

          Hmmm, let’s see: you

          a) – refuse to have your ideas examined and discussed on the open marketplace of ideas and let them stand or fall on their own merits

          b) – go out of your way to insult, deride and discredit those who disagree with you or your ideas

          But hey, that doesn’t mean you’re against discussing what constitutes the core issues, it just means that things will be fine, just as long as no one tries to disagree with what you say.

          “It’s a shame that so many on Jihad Watch apparently put their personal sensitivities higher than the horrible problem Islam presents to us to grapple with. ”

          You mean, you put your personal feelings before discussing the best course of action to take against islam, as anyone who tried to discuss your seditious “total deportation” nonsense with you can attest to.

        • Mirren10 says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 7:23 pm

          Voegelinian, by posting this bathetic ‘conversation’ from Paltalk has really shot himself in the foot.

          I’ve seldom listened to a more childish, spiteful, meretricious, and mendacious attempt to discredit someone, except possibly in a drunken conversation between two women slagging off an ex husband/boyfriend.

          The fact that voegelinian has done this has, in my eyes, stripped him of any credibility he has occasionally had.

          I should have thought that if this meandering ‘conversation’, punctuated by constant ‘ums’, ‘ah’s’, and ‘er’s’; had actually been listened to with any degree of self-criticism by either of these ego driven fustilards, they would never have dreamt of exposing themselves so embarrassingly.

          Voegelinian should stick to the written word. Even though his comments are frequently long winded, convoluted, and embarrassingly pretentious in style ( he needs to take a leaf out of Robert Spencer’s book), that is as nothing compared to this ten minutes of drivel which consists of how mean Angemon is, punctuated by ums. ahs, and ers from the witless ‘godless’.

          He’s now threatening us with more of the same. No thanks.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 9:48 pm

          Mirren10 posted:

          “I’ve seldom listened to a more childish, spiteful, meretricious, and mendacious attempt to discredit someone, except possibly in a drunken conversation between two women slagging off an ex husband/boyfriend.”

          Note to self: look through the comment section and look for the aforementioned video. P.S.: prepare snacks.

        • Champ says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 8:10 pm

          Spot on summation of voeg’s *ridiculous* video, Mirren10! …I completely agree.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 8:52 pm

          Mirren10 says

          November 8, 2015 at 7:23 pm

          Voegelinian, by posting this bathetic ‘conversation’ from Paltalk has really shot himself in the foot.

          *******************************

          Mirren’s denigration of our little recording is pretty much what I predicted the FOPs would do — as though our little recording was intending anything grand anyway. It was just a little introduction to what Paltalk is like, with a bit of casual cheeky commentary. Lighten up for fuck sake, and Mirren, get that zucchini out of your ass.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 10:33 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Mirren’s denigration of our little recording is pretty much what I predicted the FOPs would do — as though our little recording was intending anything grand anyway. It was just a little introduction to what Paltalk is like, with a bit of casual cheeky commentary. Lighten up for fuck sake, and Mirren, get that zucchini out of your ass.”

          I sometimes think that people’s hearts are like deep wells. Nobody knows what’s at the bottom. All you can do is guess from what comes floating to the surface every once in a while. – Haruki Murakami

        • Champ says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 9:28 pm

          Once again, “vulgarity” reveals his true colors toward Mirren10, and they *aren’t* pretty. Get lost creep.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 9:42 pm

          And here we are, debating the merits or lack of same of chat rooms, and whether two posters might be one and the same or not–meanwhile here is a Jihadist who has stabbed innocent victims and dreamed of beheading them.

          We have *deadly* serious enemies here–we do not have the luxury of spatting among ourselves–even for those of us who would be so inclined.

        • Mirren10 says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 8:26 am

          ”And here we are, debating the merits or lack of same of chat rooms, and whether two posters might be one and the same or not … ”

          With respect, graven, I don’t believe voegelinian’s actions here, and our reactions to same, are as petty as you imply.

          Voegelinian has done something which *I* consider to be, not petty ‘spatting’, but totally reprehensible. Not only has he geed up someone from another forum to come here and harass Angemon, but he has used the other forum to spitefully denigrate Angemon (not at all successfully) and then has the brass neck to link to it on here.

          I don’t consider such ego driven spite to be mere spatting, but something which is not only viciously mendacious and unfair, but which reveals voegelinian’s real agenda here. He is not concerned with fighting jihad, but only in denigrating, Angemon in particular, but also anyone else who disagrees with him. I think it’s contemptible.

          ”We have *deadly* serious enemies here–we do not have the luxury of spatting among ourselves–even for those of us who would be so inclined.”

          Yes, we do have deadly serious enemies, and I agree we need to concentrate on that, but at the same time, Angemon has the right to defend himself from voegelinian’s bombastic attempts to paint him as a liar, and speaking personally, I don’t feel that by commenting on the contemptible behaviour of voegelinian, I am engaging in ‘spatting’. On the contrary, I believe voegelinian’s behaviour needs to be exposed for what it is.

          Speaking for myself, I no longer see him as any kind of ally, at all.

        • Mirren10 says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 9:12 am

          I said,

          ”Voegelinian has done something which *I* consider to be, not petty ‘spatting’, but totally reprehensible.”

          I forgot to mention voegelinian’s pathetic and childish behaviour in sending private emails to people here, demanding we come to Jihad Watch, and ‘defend’ him. Enough said.

        • Champ says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 4:05 pm

          Mirren10 wrote:

          With respect, graven, I don’t believe voegelinian’s actions here, and our reactions to same, are as petty as you imply.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          My thoughts exactly, Mirren10. In fact, I agree with all of your comments, word for word! Brava!

          Like you, I consider any responses and/or confrontations to voeg completely reasonable and fair, due to voeg’s egregious offerings on this thread (and I’m not even counting the years of egregious offerings on other threads, too).

          To ignore voeg’s behavior is to enable his abusive smear campaign only further. I consider voeg to be an internet bully, and only cowards placate bullies and/or give them a pass. I was raised to stand-up to bullies, so it isn’t in my DNA to placate them with compliments mixed in with weak, “now, now, voeg, I didn’t say that”. Those kinds of namby-pamby responses only enable mean-spirited bullies like voeg. This guy needs to be kicked to the curb ..like yesterday!

          If I were Robert (and of course I’m not), then he would banned again, and again ..until! Robert needs to play whack-a-mole with this clown and not allow him free reign to abuse others on his forum. I mean freedom of speech is one thing–which I fully support, but even free speech requires certain boundaries in place–especially where abuse is involved. You don’t give an internet bully access to *your* forum, you set boundaries. And Robert has banned many-a-bully, oh yes he has. And this internet bully needs to be shown the door–again!!

          Voeg has taken **huge** liberities here, and it will only continue and get worse.

          As to the true identity of Godless vs voeg, it really doesn’t matter. And I agree that this is a small issue. I never thought otherwise. The main problem is voeg’s internet bullying …

          Here’s a guy who frequently writes derogatory things about people here on Jihad Watch, on his own blog: The Hesperado, where he bashes them by name. Also, for a while he had another blog: Jihad Watch Watch, and that went beyond the pale. Ok, then he comes back to Jihad Watch and abuses us some more!! Hello! He needs to GO! This is sooo obvious, and he needs to be banned another 5 times, I guess, until he’s gone for good. You don’t cave in to bullies and allow them to continue their abuse just because ..”it won’t work, they’ll only come back again”.

          Why is voeg getting another pass? Other people have been banned for lesser offenses, and yet voeg is allowed to remain? In my opinion, this isn’t fair …

          And it’s especially unfair to Jihad Watch, and to those that support Robert’s hard work!

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 4:39 pm

          Voegelinian wrote, replying to Mirren:

          Lighten up for fuck sake, and Mirren, get that zucchini out of your ass.
          ………………………………..

          Your reply here–and Angemon’s and Champ’s–hadn’t appeared when I posted my last comments.

          This is appalling–you are fretting that people aren’t showing you enough respect, and then you post something so dismissive, vile, and crude to a respected poster here.

          Champ is quite right–this ugly vulgarity has *no* place here. And the Murakami quote from Angemon is quite salient.

        • Champ says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 4:56 pm

          Graven wrote:

          And here we are, debating the merits or lack of same of chat rooms, and whether two posters might be one and the same or not–meanwhile here is a Jihadist who has stabbed innocent victims and dreamed of beheading them.

          We have *deadly* serious enemies here–we do not have the luxury of spatting among ourselves–even for those of us who would be so inclined.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Actually, Graven, my primary focus has been on voeg’s egregious and *unacceptable* video, attempting to discredit Angemon–along with voeg’s lies about Angemon. My initial comment on this thread demonstrates that this *is* my chief concern.

          Yes, the true identity of voeg vs Godless is pointless when measured against enemies that would kill us in a heartbeat. I agree. In fact, this could be stated about **any** dispute or controversary between posters.

          But for you to highlight any effort I’ve made regarding the true identity of these two isn’t fair, as it falls short of the truth concerning my chief complaints about voeg. So, since you felt it necessary to highlight only this part of my conversations is, in my opinion, not entirely honest and fair.

          I agree that the true identity of these two is NOT an important issue. Hey it’s unimportant just on the face of it, so there was no need to point out our enemies. It was really just a side issue, for me, from the get-go.

          And to measure this issue against our deadly enemies, and how unimportant it is compared to this, is also unfair, since all conflcts between posters, at any given time, pale in comparison to our enemy.

          So, to be clear, my main issue is NOT the true identity of these two. Never was my chief concern. My main concern is voeg’s internet bullying with these video’s. This much should have been obvious and clear, especially to you, when you consider *everything* that I’ve expressed in writing on this thread.

          Our chief aim on Jihad Watch is, of course, standing against and fighting our enemy: islam and company.

          That said, other issues do arise, and that has always been the case here on Jihad Watch.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 10, 2015 at 12:49 am

          Mirren10 wrote:

          He is not concerned with fighting jihad, but only in denigrating, Angemon in particular, but also anyone else who disagrees with him. I think it’s contemptible.
          …………………………….

          It’s long been notable that Voegelinian spends far more time slandering his fellow Anti-Jihadists than in opposing Jihad itself, Mirren. He’s become completely unhinged about Angemon–and I think his vile words to you on this thread now put him beyond the pale.

          More:

          speaking personally, I don’t feel that by commenting on the contemptible behaviour of voegelinian, I am engaging in ‘spatting’. On the contrary, I believe voegelinian’s behaviour needs to be exposed for what it is.

          Champ wrote:

          But for you to highlight any effort I’ve made regarding the true identity of these two isn’t fair, as it falls short of the truth concerning my chief complaints about voeg. So, since you felt it necessary to highlight only this part of my conversations is, in my opinion, not entirely honest and fair.
          …………………………….

          Mirren and Champ, I suppose I should have been clearer–I was not twitting either of you, just bemoaning Voegelinian having hijacked yet another thread over his own petty concerns and spats rather than focusing on the Jihad threat. He has done this many times.

          As I said, I think he has some good points to make at times, but his manner to others here has just become completely toxic.

        • Champ says

          Nov 10, 2015 at 1:44 am

          Graven, thank you for writing and for clarifying what you meant, in your previous comment, which I *completely* agree with. And I want to apologize for misunderstanding what you meant. Take care.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 10, 2015 at 1:12 pm

          Hi, Champ. Sorry I was not clearer. I think Voegelinian’s behavior towards other posters–always dismissive and often rude at the best of times–has finally gone completely beyond the pale with his appallingly crude comment to Mirren.

          Besides this nastiness, I hope you and Mirren are both well.

        • Mirren10 says

          Nov 10, 2015 at 8:05 pm

          Champ, thanks for your comments.

          Good to see you back !

        • Champ says

          Nov 10, 2015 at 8:09 pm

          Thank you, dear Mirren10! 🙂

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 12, 2015 at 4:45 pm

          Yes–good to see you posting again, Champ.

    • Champ says

      Nov 9, 2015 at 10:53 pm

      voeg wrote:

      “I can’t possibly hold a candle to his monstrously prodigious output obsessively fixating on me over the past 2 years in hundreds of posts in which he pesters me and nitpicks me because, apparently, he’s offended by my more robust stand against Muslims.”

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      What a mendacious load of rubbish, from voeg, aimed at Angemon …

      And, once again, I must issue a projection alert against voeg, and in Angemon’s defense–due to the fact that it’s the other way around, and narcissistic voeg is the one who *obsesses* over Angemon.

      The proof lies in the fact that voeg not only writes mean-spirited remarks about Angemon here on Jihad Watch, but most notably, on voeg’s own blog: The Hesperado–which is completely separate from Jihad Watch. And just *yesterday*, voeg took outrageous liberities and posted a childish Youtube video *here* on Jihad Watch attempting to discredit Angemon with more of voeg’s lies–and Godless participated, too!

      Angemon has never taken such *obsessive* measures against voeg–so I repeat, the accusation, leveled at Angemon, is a complete and total LIE, and true only about voeg, himself.

      And, of course, there’s the matter of the other blatant projections offered here by voeg …”pesters me and nitpicks me”. These are things that voeg regularly engages in toward Angemon, and other posters, as well.

      Lastly, it is my firm belief that if voeg completely stopped posting (I can dream, can’t I), then Angemon would NEVER make mention of voeg again. There would be no reason to. Angemon has merely been tireless in his commitment and efforts to confront voeg on his BS. Something only a few others on Jihad Watch care to undertake.

  27. Jeff says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 4:15 pm

    Feed him to the hogs.

  28. Roger says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    It ain’t “terrorism” unless the folk doing the terror are connected to an established terror organisation….according to the authorities and media.

    Otherwise it’s classified as work place violence etc. So basically any lone wolf attacks carried out by muslims will be considered to be the work of a mad man.

    BUT god forbid a white “christian” nazi goes on a killing spree the press will go into a frenzy.

    Incidentally there are some pretty strict knife carry laws on the books but this didn’t stop this attack.

  29. somehistory says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    We’ve been reading that LE are on the lookout for *lone wolves* as, supposedly, these are the terrorists that are on the increase. And this guy…alone when he acted…might fit the profile, except that he has no *ties* to a terror group, so therefore, his religion, his belief in satan as his god, his believing that he will get the 72 when he reaches that perverted place he wished to be, has *no connection* to his actions.

    A group starts with one getting together with another until they have at least three people. What is the *reasoning* behind the sheriff saying that because he acted alone to murder…according to his laundry kill list…that islam had nothing to do with his *reason* for killing? Supposedly, al queda, al nusra, isis, and all the other *groups* don’t have islam as a *reason* …just radical thoughts…..they’ve been *radicalized.*

    Radical thoughts about what, exactly? The moslims, like this guy, who murder innocent people and make a kill list with words about their false god and their belief in the beast, are doing it because of the reasons they give…islam demands it. Like sharks have demands from their constant need to eat…kill and eat. moslims have that constant need to follow through on the demands of the beast.

    Denying it won’t make it go away.Saying that a shark isn’t always hungry, won’t keep it from biting a leg or an arm off it it is able. The terrorists are much like sharks and will keep committing such acts of terror..

    Leaves fall for a reason…sharks eat for a reason…and islam is the *reason* moslims kill.

  30. Larry A. Singleton says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    Why did they kick him out of the study group?

  31. Dave de La Rond says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    His name is Faisal Mohamed ?one look at him and you know all you see is death and evil. Imagine this Skumbag and his family board a plane,Good chance first that they’re all on Welfare and second they want to destroy our way of life.

  32. Jay Boo says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    “As a wannabe killer, Mohammed was cold and calculating.”

    Too bad voegelinian seems more interested in proving falsely that others are too simplistic minded to see the link between Islam and Muslim behavior, or leading us all down his rabbit-hole full of unsupportable convoluted over-think where we are not (permitted to criticize the Left) than he is at condemning poster-boy Muslims like Mohammed who act in full accord with Islam.
    ———————————————-

    voegelinian said,
    “The first step out of the limitations of this Explanatory Vacuum, which exerts pressure to seek an explanation either too facile (the Esdrujula Elves, or “those damned Leftists”) or too extreme (conspiracy theory) would be to become aware of the massive fact that untold numbers of non-Leftists also bend over backwards to respect Islam and Muslims. The second step would be to shake off the tempting — but ultimately specious — habit of assuming everyone who bends over backwards to respect Islam and Muslims is either stupid, greedy, or cowardly; when it’s fairly evident that many who do so are not any of these things “

    • Angemon says

      Nov 7, 2015 at 10:17 pm

      Jay Boo posted:

      “Too bad voegelinian seems more interested in proving falsely that others are too simplistic minded to see the link between Islam and Muslim behavior, or leading us all down his rabbit-hole full of unsupportable convoluted over-think where we are not (permitted to criticize the Left) than he is at condemning poster-boy Muslims like Mohammed who act in full accord with Islam.”

      Voeg has his priorities and we have ours. His just happen to be being openly hostile to counter-jihadis. And with some of the people he’s hostile to it’s literally “damned if they do, damned if they don’t”:

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/university-of-california-merced-smiling-muslim-stabs-four-people#comment-1320375

  33. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 10:09 pm

    ACCORDING TO THEIR LOCAL NEWS, THE COPS AND FBI HAD THIS GUY ON THEIR WATCH-LISTS AND EVEN THE UC MERC DEAN WAS TOLD IN ADVANCE!

    http://www.mcntvnews.com/was-law-enforcement-and-uc-chancellor-aware-of-threat-by-terrorsitsextremists-to-attack-uc-merced/

  34. Andrew H. says

    Nov 7, 2015 at 11:25 pm

    I’m trying to figure out who is more crazy – Muslim Jihadists who follow the rules in the Koran to commit murder or Americans who deny that Jihadists have anything to do with Islam. We need to get rid of both, of course one way or another – the good old fashioned gallows would be fine..

  35. Nasty_Feet_Tall_Adam says

    Nov 8, 2015 at 1:39 am

    Champ, Godless Girl and voegelinian are not the same person. I too am on paltalk with these people and know them. Come to the Human rights section of Yahoo and voegelinian has a room where you can dialog with him.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Nov 8, 2015 at 11:53 am

      Who cares.

      • Godless says

        Nov 8, 2015 at 8:46 pm

        “Who cares”

        All the people who were accusing Voeg and I of being the same person.‪

        • Jack Diamond says

          Nov 8, 2015 at 10:33 pm

          I meant a lot more than who cares if you are or aren’t the same person.
          Who cares about the honor of getting to “dialogue” with this self-important
          pompous individual? Who cares about this incessant feud that is boring most us to tears
          (hands anyone)? Who cares about his fan club or gang coming in here to cover his back or whatever this is about? That’s what I meant by who cares.

          Yeah you proved you are two different people. I hope you will be very happy together.

        • Jay Boo says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 12:14 am

          I suspect that Godless’ real moniker is Miya

        • Champ says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 12:14 am

          Jack Diamond stated it best …”who cares”, is right!

          The true identity of voeg and Godless is, at best, a side issue for me …

          Of greater importance, to me, is the fact that “voeg” is an INTERNET BULLY. He’s taken his vendetta against Angemon too far–by lying about him, and attempting to smear Angemon on that idiotic Youtube video …offering.

        • Godless says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 2:37 pm

          You all are just bitching about the existence of the video. Nobody has even attempted to address one of the multiple valid points made in it.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 3:28 pm

          Godless posted:

          “You all are just bitching about the existence of the video.”

          If you can’t comprehend the reactions your actions elicited you’re beyond help. But I think you do. Hence why you’re dismissing what others said as “bitching” – why bother addressing something you know beforehand you can’t rebut?

          Anyway, this is JihadWatch, not AttackOnAngemon – take voeg’s (and your, by proxy) petty vendetta elsewhere.

        • Champ says

          Nov 9, 2015 at 7:18 pm

          Godless wrote:

          “You all are just bitching about the existence of the video. Nobody has even attempted to address one of the multiple valid points made in it.”

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Godless has just demonstrated that she is not only Godless, but heartless and soulless, as well.

          If she cannot understand–or even comprehend–just how wrong and inappropriate it is to post this video: which attempts to discredit Angemon, then it’s fitting to state that she is in fact as I described above.

          As to no one bothering to address the “multiple valid points made” in this video: there are none. Zero.

          The vendetta that voeg, and Godless, have against Angemon is NOT welcome here on Jihad Watch. Take it elsewhere–like back under the rock that the two of you crawled out of. Get lost.

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 8, 2015 at 8:46 pm

      Nasty (or “Ninety”) did not mean Yahoo — he meant Paltalk. I know him well from Paltalk. He must have had a “senior moment” 🙂 …

    • Champ says

      Nov 9, 2015 at 12:01 am

      Nasty_Feet wrote:

      Champ, Godless Girl and voegelinian are not the same person. I too am on paltalk with these people and know them. Come to the Human rights section of Yahoo and voegelinian has a room where you can dialog with him.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Uh-huh. Please focus on what I find most important here …

      To be clear, what I find most important is the fact that “voeg” lies about other posters and he’s a nasty internet bully, and the majority of my comments on this thread bear this out. I consider it odd that you aren’t focusing on these other comments–which reveal my chief complaints about “voeg”.

      And I have ZERO interest in dialoging with that guy. No thank you. I read enough of voeg’s nonsense here. That said, anymore I avoid reading most of his comments as much as possible.

  36. andrew sapia says

    Nov 8, 2015 at 6:55 am

    I said it to myself out loud while driving and listening to the radio. College student stabbing spree, I said he’s got to be a jihadi. I thought he probably targeted Jewish students, not sure if that is correct.

  37. R Cole says

    Nov 8, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    If you can. Fight back!!

    Why let someone with a box cutter destroy everything you’ve got!!

  38. dumbledoresarmy says

    Nov 9, 2015 at 6:34 am

    Here’s the best bit of the article. Something to think about, long and hard.

    ‘Mohammed fled the classroom after he was overwhelmed by Price and another construction worker who was about to hit Mohammed with a ladder.

    “He was banking on the fear factor. …His plan went haywire because people fought back,” Warnke said. “He got so befuddled at the activities that happened; it took the script away from him.”…”.

    YES.

    “His plan went haywire because people fought back”.

    Yep. Now…time to scale up.

    The Ummah and every subsidiary part of it is all about lies, deceit, and bullying. When it encounters a bold, sudden, determined and intelligent counter-attack, it tends to buckle and bolt.

    This creep was dreaming grandiose dreams of human-sacrificing terrorised Infidel victims to infernal allah.

    But what happened instead? A couple of brave and tough construction workers who just happened to be in the vicinity interrupted his little killing spree before he could get properly started, then there’s a ladder about to be brought down *hard* (and note – a ladder can function both as a shield against a knife, and as a *weapon*), and then…the cops arrive and…just like at Garland, Texas…BLAM! Exit jihadist…*and* without having managed to slay anybody, so, pffft, ::epic fail::

    • Mirren10 says

      Nov 9, 2015 at 8:46 am

      Excellent comment, dda.

      “He was banking on the fear factor. …”

      Indeed. In microcosm, this is what *all* the ummah are banking on. That the West will be too fearful to fight back. We see this in the pusillanimous behaviour of our ‘governments’, but the actions of, not only these two brave construction workers, but others in similar cases, show that when *ordinary* people stand against them, they turn tail and run. A lesson for all of us. Lan Astaslem !

      I’m reminded also of the courageous behaviour of Todd Beamer, ”let’s roll”. Time for all of us to ”let’s roll”.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 9, 2015 at 10:12 pm

      “His plan went haywire because people fought back”.
      ……..,…………………..,

      Exactly, DDA and Mirren.

      This is what the Jihad attacker on the French train was counting on–until brave Infidels shut him down. This was what the Jihadists on United 93 were counting on–until the victims fought back, and bravely prevented the Jihadists driving the plane into the Capitol of the White House.

      This is what has happened many times in Israel, where alert Israelis foil Jihad terror attacks.

      May there be much, much more of this.

  39. gravenimage says

    Nov 10, 2015 at 12:45 am

    Mirren10 wrote:

    He is not concerned with fighting jihad, but only in denigrating, Angemon in particular, but also anyone else who disagrees with him. I think it’s contemptible.
    …………………………….

    It’s long been notable that Voegelinian spends far more time slandering his fellow Anti-Jihadists than in opposing Jihad itself, Mirren. He’s become completely unhinged about Angemon–and I think his vile words to you on this thread now put him beyond the pale.

    More:

    speaking personally, I don’t feel that by commenting on the contemptible behaviour of voegelinian, I am engaging in ‘spatting’. On the contrary, I believe voegelinian’s behaviour needs to be exposed for what it is.

    Champ wrote:

    But for you to highlight any effort I’ve made regarding the true identity of these two isn’t fair, as it falls short of the truth concerning my chief complaints about voeg. So, since you felt it necessary to highlight only this part of my conversations is, in my opinion, not entirely honest and fair.
    …………………………….

    Mirren and Champ, I suppose I should have been clearer–I was not twitting either of you, just bemoaning Voegelinian having hijacked yet another thread over his own petty concerns and spats rather than focusing on the Jihad threat. He has done this many times.

    As I said, I think he has some good points to make at times, but his manner to others here has just become completely toxic.

    • Mirren10 says

      Nov 10, 2015 at 9:39 am

      Dear graven, thanks for clarifying what you meant; my apologies for misunderstanding your point.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 10, 2015 at 2:04 pm

        Sorry I wan’t clearer, Mirren. And Voegelinian’s appallingly crude insults to you were *completely* uncalled for.

        Apart from this, I hope you’re doing well.

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