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Australia Security Intelligence Organisation top dog calls for self-censorship to avoid offending Muslims

Dec 16, 2015 11:08 pm By Robert Spencer

“Former prime minister Tony Abbott used an opinion piece last week to call for a ‘religious reformation’ within in [sic] Islam. Mr Abbott called for a ‘hearts and minds campaign against the versions of Islam that make excuses for terrorists, saying Islam had not undergone an equivalent version of the Reformation and Enlightenment in Christian nations.” In response, “Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull responded to Mr Abbott’s remarks by cautioning against blaming all Muslims for Islamic State terrorist attacks. ‘I’m not about to run a commentary on Mr Abbott but I’d simply make the observation again that the one thing we need to be very careful not to do – and I’m sure Tony agrees with this by the way – is to play into the hands of our enemies and seek to tag all Muslims with the crimes of a few.'”

Can no one in power think clearly anymore? Is everyone thoroughly brainwashed by Islamic supremacist propaganda? Calling for a reformation in Islam is not blaming all Muslims for the crimes of a few. Islamic doctrine is one thing, and the people who hold it are quite another.

Even worse, however, is Australian Security Intelligence Organisation chief Duncan Lewis’ call for voluntary surrender of the freedom of speech so as not to offend Muslims and to guard against the non-existent but always-feared “backlash.” Which will be first to adopt Sharia blasphemy laws in full? Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada or the United States? It will be a close race.

Duncan Lewis

“Julie Bishop defends ASIO chief Duncan Lewis over calls schooling Coalition MPs,” by Lisa Cox, Sydney Morning Herald, December 17, 2015 (thanks to Jill):

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has defended the right of ASIO chief Duncan Lewis to “speak out” after reports he called Coalition MPs to urge them to tone down the language they used in public discussion of Islam.

News Corp reported on Thursday the director-general of ASIO had angered some MPs after phoning them to tell them some of their remarks posed a potential risk to national security.

MPs critical of the intervention see it as an attack on free speech.

‘

No kidding, really?

But Ms Bishop said on Thursday Mr Lewis was right to share his views if the public commentary was affecting ASIO’s work.

“If the director-general of ASIO has formed a view that the public debate might have the potential to put at risk the work that his organisation is undertaking in countering terrorism, then of course he should speak out,” Ms Bishop said on Thursday.

In an interview with News Corp last week, Mr Lewis said some of the public discussion around Islam had the potential to fuel a backlash against Muslims that would make ASIO’s work more difficult.

It comes after former prime minister Tony Abbott used an opinion piece last week to call for a “religious reformation” within in Islam.

Mr Abbott called for a “hearts and minds campaign against the versions of Islam that make excuses for terrorists, saying Islam had not undergone an equivalent version of the Reformation and Enlightenment in Christian nations.

He said societies “can’t remain in denial about the massive problem within Islam” after terrorist attacks in Paris and the Middle East, the deaths of Katrina Dawson and Tori Johnson in the Martin Place siege last year and Curtis Cheng outside Parramatta police station in October.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull responded to Mr Abbott’s remarks by cautioning against blaming all Muslims for Islamic State terrorist attacks.

“I’m not about to run a commentary on Mr Abbott but I’d simply make the observation again that the one thing we need to be very careful not to do – and I’m sure Tony agrees with this by the way – is to play into the hands of our enemies and seek to tag all Muslims with the crimes of a few,” Mr Turnbull said last week.

“The simple fact of the matter is the vast majority of Muslims are as appalled by these acts of extremism as we are.”

And your evidence for that is…?

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  1. Charlie says

    Dec 16, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    Add to that the fact that ISIS is, in fact, Islam’s Reformation.

    • Kurt says

      Dec 17, 2015 at 12:23 am

      No, ISIS is an adolescent Saudi Arabia.

      A reformation, a good reformation would add the equivalent of a New Testament to the Quran.

      • ECAW says

        Dec 17, 2015 at 4:03 am

        What on earth are you on about? Both the Christian and Islamic reformations went back to their roots. It just so happens that the Christian roots were more benign than 16th century Catholicism but the Islamic roots were more malevolent than the weakened form of Islam existing when the Muslim Brotherhood kicked off the Islamic reformation in the 1920’s.

        An Islamic New Testament? Where is that going to come from? And a good reformation…you think you can order different kinds of reformations? Islam isn’t Amazon.

        • nacazo says

          Dec 17, 2015 at 7:59 am

          agree….Isis is islam’s reformation in progress. Back to the original roots of the rleigion.

        • Shane says

          Dec 17, 2015 at 10:16 am

          Yes, there is nothing like a New Testament in Islam as Jesus was a man of peace and Muhammad was a warlord and misogynist. Both Muslims and Christians are taught to emulate the founders of their religions, which is why Islam can never become a peaceful religion that respects women’s rights.

      • mortimer says

        Dec 17, 2015 at 12:31 pm

        Kurt wrote: “ISIS is an adolescent Saudi Arabia”

        Yes, largely. ISIS is, imho, a Frankenstein’s Monster.

        Soddy Barbaria’s founders behaved almost identically to ISIS as they attacked fellow Arabians beginning in 1744. The Saudi dynasty was launched in central Arabia in 1744. Muhammad ibn Saud, the tribal ruler of the town of Ad-Dir’iyyah near Riyadh, joined forces with the religious leader Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, the founder of the Wahhabi movement to impose a RADICAL FORM of Islam. They persecuted all tribes and imposed Saudi rule and strict, puritanical, Sunnite Sharia law on a largely Shi’ite region.

        10% of the country is still Shi’ite and they are still persecuted.

  2. gravenimage says

    Dec 16, 2015 at 11:23 pm

    Australia Security Intelligence Organisation top dog calls for self-censorship to avoid offending Muslims
    …………………………….

    Another dhimmi demanding that we surrender our freedom of speech to violent, touchy Mohammedans. *Ugh*.

    The moronic Duncan Lewis is also apparently pleased that the number of Muslims leaving Australia to fight with ISIS has’t gone up even more:

    “But while it had been escalating fast, the sense is that we have plateaued a bit.”

    Good God, what a fool.

    “Flow of Australian Islamic State fighters has hit ‘plateau’, says ASIO boss”

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/flow-of-australian-islamic-state-fighters-has-hit-plateau-says-asio-boss-20151216-glp6ur.html

    • Infidel says

      Dec 17, 2015 at 3:50 am

      This is just sick. Australia is doomed. I am truly Tired of defending Christian values in a country of idiots. Let them become
      Dummie dimmies. Hopefully Islam takes over and Austrailia’s Sidney can be called Sidnistan. Destroy all churches and make all women cover themselves. Have girls at the early ages of 8 or 9 register for marriage firstly for Muslim men to get first pick of the beautiful white blond girls and the fat and ugly be leftover for dimmies. Build even more and bigger mosques that are to be build by slaves and kill all homosexuals. Retire the old political figures and replace them with bearded men like achmed and Mehmet. Let the world see the already fragile economy destroy itself a bit more and let it become another Pakistan.

      • Corey says

        Dec 17, 2015 at 9:30 pm

        SYDNEY … Spelt S Y D N E Y … My God does anyone who post these comments know how to spell ?? At least use spell check to make your comments more credible !

      • name* says

        Dec 18, 2015 at 5:46 am

        Fortunately Australia is an island and thus harder to infiltrate.

        Make no mistake, Australians are aware of the dangers of Islam.

        Although peaceful and loving, they will not tolerate having their democracy trojan-horsed by a bunch of idiots.

  3. Don McKellar says

    Dec 16, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    Just another willfully ignorant retard for the woodpile. It’s a BIG pile right now. Instead of educating themselves about Islam and what’s in the texts and how it works, they issue idiotic reactionary statements like this. Somehow dumb sumbitches like this are still in power, endangering the populations they are entrusted to protect. How many more must die before this situation changes???

    • Peggy says

      Dec 16, 2015 at 11:58 pm

      Don’t you think that they can’t all be uninformed and stupid?
      If this the quality of our security then we are all finished.
      This is an old plan being put in place now.

  4. Peggy says

    Dec 16, 2015 at 11:55 pm

    So what are the Muslims prepared to do in order not to offend us? Is anyone asking them to stop killing us and to boycott any mosque preaching hatred?
    What are they supposed to do to remove themselves from the image of Islam?
    A lot has been asked of us but nothing of them.
    I find it really strange that everyone in public eye is saying exactly the same thing. They are so perfectly in tune with each other it’s frightening.
    Our media, politicians and police command, all preaching the same thing. They can’t all be fooled. There is a lot more to this. It’s a plan on a global scale.

    • Molly P says

      Dec 18, 2015 at 12:28 am

      Spot on Peggy. This insanity is too insane any more not to be a plan! Dozens of leaders, all across the world, with the same message for the people they “lead”. Submit to the Islamic invasion, and like it. It is coming down to a sort of global civil war, I think, though I pray not. Don’t see hundreds of millions of nationalist patriots laying down for the overrun of their countries for much longer, though. Something has to give, and I shudder when I think of what catastrophe could start it…

      • Piggy says

        Dec 19, 2015 at 9:45 pm

        Yes there is a global force behind this and it is being promoted forcefully by the UN. Look up New World Order and you will see that the goal is to create a global bank, a global currency and a global government. Infiltration of moslims is to conquer the west, create civil unrest and bankrupt economies through the welfare system. Once the people rise up then martial law will be enforced. We are all being marched blindly into ant farms and the equivalent of gas chambers. First indication is confiscation of guns – see obama – restriction of free speech, etc. Sorry, my tin hat is sparking….

  5. pdxnag says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 12:04 am

    The incivility of Muslims who practice Islam to the fullest leaves us no choice but to expel them and wall them off from the civilized world. Unless you want to adopt their moral code in full.

  6. Edwin1683 says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 12:15 am

    I am sick of hearing the argument that opposing Islamic doctrine is somehow “playing into the hands of our enemies”. I think NOT opposing Islamic doctrine is playing into their hands.

    That’s like saying that the Allies fighting Nazi Germany made the Nazis stronger. The last I heard, it was because the Allies fought them that the Nazis got wiped out.

  7. citycat says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 12:43 am

    But it is ok for Muslims to offend infidels?
    Is there some Devilish Earthly Entity taking over the minds of such people. There’s getting to be a few of them. I don’t hear the man in the street saying such stuff.
    Such people, who say don’t offend Muslims by not agreeing with Muslims, are turn-coats.
    It is automatic for Muslims to be offended by any contradiction to the word of Allah. But even if one says nothing then Muslims, at some stage, will willfully become offended.
    No other religion does that as a rule, these days.
    Inter-religious chat should be between religions without Islam present because Islam will not even consider any common features between religions.
    Surrendering to fear to appease the bully only bolsters the bully’s ego, and makes matters worse.
    The powers have messed up big time, unless the powers are not for humanity’s best interest at all at all at all

  8. Gary says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 12:48 am

    self-censorship to avoid offending Muslims?

    God wasn’t worried about offending Muslims.

    In fact, He gave them a sign…..

    “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel.” (Isaiah 7:14) written between 701 and 681 B.C.

    Jesus is Lord 😉

  9. efoc says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 1:15 am

    I got very angry when I read this today. And if the DG of ASIO thinks he can do this then he can f**k off (excuse my language).

    Several years ago circa 2010 I applied for a position at ASIO. I got through the first three rounds before being rejected. At one of the rounds we were introduced to a guy who worked there who gave us a ‘glimpse in’ as to what they do etc.

    What was telling was that one of the main threats they watch out for (in his own words) are fundamentalist Christian groups. I don’t recall him saying anything equivalent or comparable to Islamic terrorist groups even though they’re the big elephant in the room. But for him to primarily mention these Christian groups (as insignificant as they are) in light of all the evidence and daily occurrences of Islamic terrorism spoke volumes.

    That’s why I’m not surprised that the DG did what he did today. It’s a sad state of affairs when you get someone this senior in the intelligence community making personal phone calls to politicians to instruct them “how to talk” about Islam. This just shows how pathetically dhimmi-minded and cowardly some officials are. We are going so far to self-censor ourselves and make sure we don’t “offend”. And this all the while that all of the politicians who have said something critical of Islam have done so properly and civilly.

    I guarantee this man has never ready the Koran/Hadith/Sira. Shame on you Duncan Lewis.

    • DiMu says

      Dec 17, 2015 at 8:25 am

      This is appalling and it is endemic throughout the Western elites. Christianity is their number one enemy!

  10. Simon says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 3:06 am

    This comment is specifically for ASIO whom I believe will read this. Just because Muslims have economic power via the petrodollar system and population numbers doesn’t make them benign. Donald Trump is right to speak out. Muslim migration can easily lead us to civil war like what happened in Lebanon and in Syria/Iraq right now. There are no doubt “empire builders” within ASIO who like the idea of having an ever expanding surveillance department. Christians are a problem?? Have you gone insane? Do you want to allow child marriages, FGM, a woman’s testimony being half that of a man’s, four male witnesses required to prove rape, automatic child custody rights to the father at a prescribed age, polygamy ok for the male but if the woman tries it she gets stoned to death (look them up, and don’t be fooled by the disingenuous comments by apologists) (That one is especially for whoever monitors me especially if female) and also homosexuals being thrown off tall buildings etc. All of that comes from what is regarded as AUTHENTIC Islamic scriptures such as Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim and Sunan Abu Dawud, available to all on the internet. Read them!! The “moderates will tell you that they can control extremists, but if you read their scriptures, the moderates don’t have a theological leg to stand on. Muslim youths ARE reading these scriptures. Have some moral courage ASIO you are supposed to be graduates with the ability to think critically! I rest my case.

    • Gea says

      Dec 17, 2015 at 9:48 pm

      Donald Trump does not go far enough. New soldiers for Allah are created in a mosque in your neighborhood every day…and nobody is safe from them…You can never know when your nice peaceful Muslim neighbor may decide to start obeying teachings of Mohamed and behead or shoot you, as Dr. Nidal Hassan did in fort Hood. Islam ITSELF is not compatible with the US Constittion and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and thus does not belong to ANY society that respects liberty, justice and human rights of ALL individuals.

      Anybody who thinks that a pedophile, polygamist, rapist, looter, misogynist, slaver and mass murderer Mohamed is a role model for good person, clearly does not belong to USA or any civilizedj society. All Muslims should be sent for a permanent Haj to Saudi Arabia, Iran or Pakistan and enjoy their “religion of peace”. We do not want them here…

  11. PeterB says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 3:27 am

    This made me very angry when I read this. Could you even imagine the DG of ASIO calling government politicians asking them to tone down their language regarding the Vatican or Catholic church?

  12. Jon says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 4:55 am

    This guy’s gone way past his pay description handing out gratuitous direction to our elected politicians.

    People like ex-PM Tony Abbott are refreshing for their views on Islam and how it needs to reform from within. He’s not saying anything that even advanced moderate Islamic scholars aren’t agreeing with. Even President Al-Sisi of Egypt said exactly the same thing a few weeks ago.

    Christianity went through the Old Testament, transitioning to the New through a blood-soaked history. Do we all have to tolerate a similar transition as Muslims battle out their own disputes with each other and anyone else in the neighborhood?

    We don’t have to kow-tow to Muslim leaders within our own country. Most of them are here by grace of the good will and compassion of Australians who granted them succour in times of conflict in their own countries. Let them work out where their loyalties lie.

    As the Muslim deputy Mayor of Sutherland Shire said the other day to fellow Muslims, ‘ if you don’t like it here, go home. I’ll even pay your fare’ –
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/cronulla-riots-10-years-on-muslim-to-muslim–if-you-dont-like-it-here-leave/news-story/524dd9d3f72691196106daf455d6721d

    View discussion

  13. Michael Copeland says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 5:52 am

    Tony Abbott speaks of “the massive problem within Islam”. Tony Blair said, “there is a problem within Islam”. For Blair the problem is “extremism”. Point by point this neatly matches Islam itself:
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6183-extremism-there-is-a-problem-within-islam

  14. Kasey says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 5:55 am

    Tony Abbott has stirred many Australians into gaining a greater awareness of Islam and the threat it poses to Australian culture and freedoms.Now it has been revealed that the Islamic grand mufti here has, over the past two years consorted with an Egyptian sheikh who is wanted by Egyptian authorities for trial over supporting terrorism and other similar offences. Was that sheikh checking on the progress of Islamism is Australia. Maybe it’s getting to a stage here of “who can you really trust” within the growing Muslim community? Just how many are tacit supporters of jihad is unknown, but what is for certain, the more they are appeased, the more long-term problems will confront ASIO and Australians in general

    • Michael Copeland says

      Dec 17, 2015 at 6:21 am

      “Just how many are tacit supporters of jihad is unknown”.
      All muslims are required to support jihad. One eighth part of their “zakat”, the contribution to the mosque, is REQUIRED by Islamic law to go to jihad. Islam is a doctrine of permanent war against non-muslims.

      “the Quran directly commands us to commit terrorism, so why are we afraid of it?”

      Ragab Hilal Hamida, Member of Egyptian Parliament, 2006
      http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/48066/cracks-islamist-curtain-jamie-glazov

  15. Michael Copeland says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 6:08 am

    The “versions of Islam that make excuses for terrorists” all have the same origin – the Koran and the life of Mohammed.
    A “religious reformation”?
    Islam is ironclad reform-proof. It is watertight.
    Many share the wish to reform the Koran. It will not happen. It is not permitted.
    The Koran is part of Islamic law.
    The Koran itself says it is “perfect”:

    “The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. There is none who can change His words.” 6:115.

    To “reform”, or change any verse is to deny it. One who denies any verse has to be killed. The killing can be performed, penalty-free and vigilante style, by anyone “since it is killing someone who deserves to die” (Manual of Islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveller” o8.7(7), o8.4). The Manual is available as a free download.

    Martin Luther’s reformation was of the non-Biblical practices of the Roman Catholic Church. He did not reform the Bible.

    Muslims are INSTRUCTED what beliefs to hold. They do not get to choose. Islam is not Pick Your Own.
    “ It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair.”
    Koran 33:36, part of Islamic law (with death penalty for denying it).

    • Frank Hepple says

      Dec 17, 2015 at 6:43 am

      The truth at last! Bravo!

  16. Aussie Infidel says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 6:13 am

    Mr Abbott didn’t say that we should blame all Muslims for terror attacks. But Mr Turnbull is using the opportunity to make the point (once again) that most Muslims are ‘moderate’ and ‘peaceful’, and that only a few extremists commit such attacks. But how does that even begin to solve the problem? The mullahs then know that Turnbull is ignorant of Islamic ideology, and plan further atrocities. By ignoring the ideology that drives the jihadists, others will only surface again somewhere else.

    I agree with ASIO Director Duncan Lewis that he can’t guarantee there will be no attacks against Australia – no one can – to suggest otherwise would be plainly stupid. That ASIO has foiled a number of planned attacks is also creditable. But if Mr Lewis believes that suppressing public discussion of the Issue, will somehow make his job easier, he is very naive. What does Duncan understand about the Islamic imperative to conquer the world for Allah? Has he read the Quran? Has he studied the history of Islamic expansion? Or does he too believe that these attacks only involve ‘a few militants who follow some perverted version of the Quran?’ What version are they refering to? Keeping kafirs ignorant is exactly what the mullahs want. The fewer people who are convinced that something is rotten in Islam, and that Islam is at war with all non-Muslims, the fewer will change their minds at the next election – and so perpetuate the status quo. We need to get rid of the politicians who are aiding and abetting the Islamic cause, and bring the militant imams to book; not allow them extra time to plot and plan more attacks. And if criticism of their sacred ideology ‘offends’ them, that’s just too bad. Their ideology also offends us!

    Contrary to Mr Lewis’ claims, our former PM is right. If we remain in denial about the problems within Islam, and make excuses for terrorists, how are we ever going to prevail. Our enemy has no qualms about targeting us – and is doing so in every way it can.

    “The Prophet said, ‘war is deceit’!” (Bukhari 52:269).

    • Michael Copeland says

      Dec 17, 2015 at 6:25 am

      Memo for Mr. Turnbull:
      “For ninety-eight per cent of the time they are entirely peaceful”
      “Who are?”
      “Crocodiles”.

  17. Singh the Sikh says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 7:00 am

    The Jihadists and islamists have the kaffir/western world in a real bind, and must be loving it. Jihadists have been spectacularly successful in using their brethren, the greater Muslim population, as a buffer against counter-jihadist maneuvers.

    While it is true that not all Muslims are blameable, a good number of them a culpable in one way or another, as many willingly form a protective wall around Jihadists, based on a shared ideology. The greater Muslim population do not carry out terrorists acts, yes, but they are an integral part of the problem since they get in the way of addressing the problem, both unwittingly and wittingly, by acting as human shield of sorts. Come to think of it, Islamists have perfected the use of human shields in various forms.

    This is the bind: the greater muslim population in western countries have become a protective shield for the Jihadists. Yet, more Muslims are allowed into western countries. With the influx, the buffer becomes bigger and stronger. To boot, it’s more than likely that terrorist elements slink in with the ‘refugees’.

    In other words, Muslim immigration is patently bad idea. Not only does it increase the risk of allowing terrorists in, it also strengthens the terrorists protective shield, by dint of increased numbers. It’s a win-win situation for the Jihadists.

    Neither Duncan nor this government fully understand the threat, which makes them unfit for the job.

  18. sidney penny says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 7:35 am

    “The Australian has revealed Mr Lewis phoned Coalition politicians to urge them to use the soothing language favoured by Malcolm Turnbull in their public discussion of Islam.”

    Oh my god where is Australia heading? Cannot Australian politicians speak the truth?

    “Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says it is “appropriate” for ASIO director-general Duncan Lewis to “speak out” if the debate on counter-terrorism in Australia is concerning him.

    The Australian has revealed Mr Lewis phoned Coalition politicians to urge them to use the soothing language favoured by Malcolm Turnbull in their public discussion of Islam.

    In what is thought to be an unprecedented intervention in politics by a head of the spy agency, Mr Lewis is said to have told the MPs that their more robust comments risked becoming a danger to national security …

    Labor frontbencher Catherine King said it should be up to Mr Turnbull and not the head of ASIO to “pull Liberal Party backbenchers into line”.

    “We do know, the head of ASIO has said this publicly, that if you use inflammatory language, if you go and attack people within the Muslim community in the way in which some members have done, it is sending a very powerful and wrong message,” Ms King said on Sky News.

    “We are in positions of great authority and people listen to us, and you do need to be cautious with your language.” “

  19. sidney penny says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 7:46 am

    “The simple fact of the matter is the vast majority of Muslims are as appalled by these acts of extremism as we are.”

    And your evidence for that is…?

    Well Robert you know the answer is there is no evidence.The Australian Prime Minister like all Western leaders just make things up to sound political correct.

    There is absolutely no programs in any mosque or school (religious or otherwise) that each Muslims or converts to Islam that Muslims should reject a supposedly twisted version of Islam.

    Also that teaches that there is a system in Islam that anyone who misrepresents Islam by promoting violence against innocents, is called to account and is excommunicated.

    So let us ask the Australian Prime Minister,how does he work out the simple fact that the vast majority of Muslims are as appalled by these acts of extremism as we are.Let us remember he is also a lawyer,so he will understand argument ,debate and logic.

    • mortimer says

      Dec 17, 2015 at 12:41 pm

      Sidney penny wrote: “the vast majority of Muslims are as appalled by these acts of extremism as we are….evidence?”

      15% of Muslims support terrorist groups. 85% either don’t say or prefer to impose Islam peacefully through stealth or they don’t care much.

      To say they are ‘appalled’ is an exaggeration!

  20. Peter says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 7:56 am

    New name:

    Australian Unintelligent Appeasement Organization

  21. DiMu says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 8:30 am

    Not all Aussies are PC…..

  22. duh_swami says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 9:11 am

    What happened to your manhood you cowards…Should we all just surrender? We can roll over, belly up and beg the jihadists not to hurt us…Have you lost your mind as well as you manhood? PHHHHT

  23. Emjay See says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 9:38 am

    Why can’t migrants who come different countries accept they are visitors and become integrated with the laws and religious (or none) rules and assimilate. Instead they WANT that which they left in their own countries.

    A religion to us whose early beginnings where Christian accepted the changes with the Christian offshoots (NOW) why cannot our visitors?

  24. Chris says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 9:45 am

    Some years back (in the mid-’90s) , I rang ASIO about something. I got their number from the Yellow Pages and called them. A woman answered and said “hello”. I asked “Is this ASIO?” She hesitated and then replied “I can’t tell you”. I said “I got your number from the phone book”. She said “I still can’t tell you”. True story. Fantastic.

  25. Jim Peters says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 11:49 am

    Good luck reforming Islam. There is no supreme religious leader in Islam. Just a bunch of clerics scattered all over the place who pose threats to the entire population including each other.The only thing Muslims agree on is the need to kill westerners. They are really good at internecine fighting when there is no one else to demonize. In other words, they can’t get along with one another long enough to do any religious reforming. Brute force will be the only solution. Lets get to it.

  26. mortimer says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 11:59 am

    Australian Security Intelligence Organisation chief Duncan Lewis says:

    ‘SUBMIT YOUR FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION TO MUSLIMS AND YOU WILL BE SAFE!’

    This is a paraphrase of Mohammed’s challenge: ‘Aslim, taslam’ (surrender to us and you will safe!)

    Duncan Lewis is obtuse about free speech: IT IS PRECISELY WHEN WE LOSE OUR FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION THAT WE ARE NOT SAFE! WE ARE ADMITTING WE ARE DEFEATED.

    Lewis’ call to not criticize Islam is an admission that he hasn’t the resources to defend Australians who criticize Islam and that Australians overseas will be used as targets for revenge killings! All of that is true.

    Mostly, though, Western elites find freedom of expression inconvenient and would rather take the easy way out.

  27. mortimer says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 12:02 pm

    Translation of Duncan Lewis’ doubletalk: “IF YOU SAY THAT ISLAM IS VIOLENT, THE TERRORISTS WILL KILL US.”

  28. Mo says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 12:26 pm

    “Mr Abbott called for a ‘hearts and minds campaign against the versions of Islam that make excuses for terrorists, saying Islam had not undergone an equivalent version of the Reformation and Enlightenment in Christian nations.”

    Their is no “equivalent version” of any reformation in Christendom, because Christianity has NEVER had any open ended commands for believers to slaughter unbelievers.

    What a shame. I thought Australia was one of the few sane places left on the planet.

    • Annak says

      Dec 17, 2015 at 12:45 pm

      No sane places anymore.
      The most insane place in the “free ” West is GB :
      ( or just under Sharia so hardly free )

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3361640/Saudi-millionaire-cleared-raping-teenager-telling-court-accidentally-penetrated-18-year-old-tripped-fell-her.html

    • Aussie Infidel says

      Dec 17, 2015 at 6:28 pm

      Mo, You are right in part. There were the witch hunts of course, and the little matter of the Inquisition (I recently visited the Inquisition museum in Cartagena, Columbia – what cruel bastards they were). However, there are no calls for violence against unbelievers in the NT, and the violence in the OT is largely historical – or as some put it – ‘descriptive rather than prescriptive’. Furthermore, as you say no Christian priests or Jewish rabbis urge their congregations to kill those who do not subscribe to their respective faiths – but Muslim imams do – in almost every mosque in every country in the world. As the Ayatollah Khomeini said, “The only solution is for the whole world to submit to Islam!” … and … “The only thing a Muslim fears after Friday prayers, is Allah!”

      Unfortunately, here in Australia, while our constitution guarantees freedom of religion, it does not guarantee freedom of speech (as in your First Amendment). The closest we come to that is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, but that is not a legally binding document. To make matters worse, we have iniquitous Human Rights legislation, which Mr Abbott promised to repeal, but backed away from because of pressure from the ethnic communities (particularly the Muslims), and his own back bench. And believe me, there are some dhimmis on the Right as well as the Left of politics down here. I also know many Christians – even some who describe themselves as ‘evangelicals’ – who will not speak out against Islam because “as Christians we should turn the other cheek.” I have no religious beliefs, but I can’t imagine that their Savior would have intended that they should not defend themselves and their families against a ruthless, murderous foe, or commit cultural suicide. They are almost as bad as the Leftists & Atheists who have branded me a “racist” and a “bigot” for my stance against Islam.

  29. Matthieu Baudin says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 8:17 pm

    A sure sign of a man bereft of new ideas but who has found himself at the top of a national security organisation. Censorship of plain speech by law abiding citizens is a fine idea if you want to throw away the baby with the bathwater. If he wants to hold his own tongue still, that’s one thing, but to expect a whole population to stop thinking and speaking honestly is a moral capitulation.

  30. shoehorn of africa says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    Bring back Abbott! The main reason his ambitious colleagues knifed him is they wanted to get their noses in the trough at the Paris Carbon Consumathon, but Tony wasn’t going to attend because Climate Change is Absolute Crap. In fact he repealed the previous govt’s CO2 Tax, which he was elected to do in 2013.
    He may not be the full bottle on Jihad and Sharia but is on a steep learning curve, whereas Turnbull brings all the leftist baggage into the leadership.

  31. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Dec 17, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    Re: ” Islamic doctrine is one thing, and the people who hold it are quite another.”

    REALLY, ROBERT? HOW SO?!

    I know almost everything about islam (unfortunately; although it’s members never cease to amaze and sicken me with creative new atrocities) simply because it has its core (the Qur’an, 2 sahih and 4 less-so ahadith, the Sirat, and the 4 Sunni and 1 Shia maddhab fiqhs of sharia) and that’s it!

    They cannot add to it, nor “reform” any of it; islam cannot and will not ever change, in any way, because it’s the “perfect” word of allah, and the metaphoric so-called “gates of ijtihad” (interpretation) have been closed for centuries!

    Surah Al-Ma’idah 5.3 informs Muslims that Allah has PERFECTED Islam. Can perfection be improved? Can perfection be reformed?? If genocidal conquest is perfect, how can it be eliminated as a sacrament of Islam???

    Surah Al-An’am 6.115 informs us that “none can change his words”. Surah Al-Kahf 18.27 confirms the immutability of Allah’s words: the Qur’an. Surah Yunus 10.64 confirms the obvious. Surah Ar-Rum 30.30 tells us that Islam cannot be changed. Exactly what part of this is not clear to liberals? Islam is the perfected wart of Allah and cannot be reformed. It is immutable.

    Surah Al-Anfal 8.39 commands Muslims to wage war against pagans until resistance ceases and only Allah is worshiped. Surah At-Taubah 9.29 commands Muslims to wage war against people with scriptural religions until they are subjugated and submit to annual demands for extortion. Both commands are without chronological or geographic limits. They are permanent in duration and global in scope.

    Muslims are admonished in Surah At-Taubah -.38-39, that they will suffer a “painful torment” if they do not join the Jihad. Muslims are promised, in Surah At-Taubah 9.111 and Surah As-Saff 10-12 that he will admit them to his celestial bordello if they join the Jihad.

    Jihad is the Muslim’s get out of Hell free card! If he does not play that card, he meets Allah with a defect: hypocrisy. (Sunan Ibn Majah Vol. 4 #2763)

    The minimum Jihad quota is once each year. If Jihad is not performed in a year when it was possible, all with knowledge of the imperative are sinners, liable to eternal damnation. (Reliance of the Traveller O9.1, Hedaya 2.140-141, The Book of Jihad pg. 18)

    Muslims are commanded, in Surah Al-Anfal 8.57, to treat vanquished foes harshly so as to strike terror into those behind them. They are commanded in 8.60 to maximize the power of their army so as to terrify thereby prospective victims.

    Muslims are promised, in Surah At-Taubah 9.120, that acts of terrorism will be rewarded with extra credit towards an upgrade in the celestial bordello.

    Muslims are warned, in Surah Al-Baqarah 2.85, that they cannot select the parts of the Qur’an they like and reject the rest.

    Islam can be easily studied and known in its entirety, by anyone. It will never change!

    So, when Western people won’t educate them *selves* about islam because our culture defers all thinking to those “authorities” we PAY to do our thinking and research for us, while they secretly know full-well that the salesmen in charge will always sell us all out, they ARE CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT INFANTILE DELINQUENT TRAITORS TO RATIONALITY AND CIVILIZATION!

    Sura 4:89 says if any muslim tries to leave islam, the other must murder them for it. And terrorism is intrinsic to islam, for all muslims to adhere to against all infidels forever.

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