“Patrick Weil, a political scientist who met Hollande and advised him against the decision, said France would become ‘the first democracy in the world’ to enshrine in its constitution the principle of unequal treatment of dual nationals. ‘It introduces the idea of a different penalty for the same act, just because of the random chance of their birth,’ said Weil, who teaches at Yale University in the United States.” Very well. Then strip all jihad terrorists of their passports, or find some other way to acknowledge the fact that by going to fight for the Islamic State or some other jihad group, they have effectively declared war against their homeland, and should be considered traitors, at very least.
Hollande’s plan may be largely symbolic, but at least it has the advantage of being realistic about Western jihadis’ mindset and goals for their home country, which the Left is — true to form — ignoring as they try to make this into a racial issue. “The Vichy regime, which collaborated with the Nazis in the 1940s, stripped thousands of Jews and foreigners of French citizenship during World War II.” This is actually no analogy: the Jews were not waging war against Vichy France or anyone else. They were not leaving French territory to train with groups that had declared their intention to destroy France and murder French civilians inside France, and then returning to do just those things.
“Fury as Hollande calls to strip terrorist passports,” The Local, December 30, 2015:
President Francois Hollande’s call for convicted terrorists to lose their French citizenship if they have a second nationality has triggered uproar among those who see him adopting right-wing ideas that recall dark moments in France’s history.
Ever since the French Revolution in the late 1700s, “le droit du sol” (“the right of the soil”) has been a fundamental principle, giving everyone born in the country the right to citizenship.
But in the aftermath of November’s jihadist attacks in Paris, Hollande announced to an extraordinary session of both houses of parliament that he would seek changes to the constitution so that dual-nationals could be stripped of their French passport.
Patrick Weil, a political scientist who met Hollande and advised him against the decision, said France would become “the first democracy in the world” to enshrine in its constitution the principle of unequal treatment of dual nationals.
“It introduces the idea of a different penalty for the same act, just because of the random chance of their birth,” said Weil, who teaches at Yale University in the United States.
“That people — who sometimes don’t even know they have a second nationality — can be banned is like the return of banishment as a penalty.”
For many in Hollande’s Socialist party, and others on the left of French politics, the move is little short of ideological treason.
“In wanting to steal the thunder of the far right, we risk implementing their programme,” said Cecile Duflot, a former minister in Hollande’s government.
Economist Thomas Piketty, author of the blockbuster book on inequality “Capital in the 21st Century”, wrote on his blog: “To its economic incompetence, the government has now added infamy.”
An ugly history
As well as breaking a legal principle, the measure also touches a raw nerve from France’s history, say critics.
The Vichy regime, which collaborated with the Nazis in the 1940s, stripped thousands of Jews and foreigners of French citizenship during World War II.
Dissenters say Hollande has borrowed from the playbook of the right wing, not least since the treatment of immigrants was one of the few areas where there was clear daylight between the two mainstream parties….

Didymus says
Hollande is morally, militarily, politically and legally correct to evict those who are ultimately enemies of the state .
mortimer says
The mortal enemy of Western civilization is the poisoned ideology of Islam. The two are irreconcilable…oil and water…they do not mix.
Sean says
As an American and a US Military veteran, I completely agree. The only way to combat this type of war is to close your borders and clean your house first. Terrorist are cowards and will not fight face to face or they’ll loose and they know it. People need to understand the times, we are all in, and rights can be taken away or suspended.
Peter Buckley says
From the same newspaper:
http://www.thelocal.fr/20151214/how-can-the-national-front-juggernaut-be-stopped
In other words, the only way to stop the NF is, ironically, for the mainstream parties to start adopting (some of the) NF policies. Either way, the majority ultimately finally finds their voice. It has taken a long time, but it is definitely on its way, not just in France but throughout Europe.
Westman says
The NF must be having some effect. This is a quote from French Prime Minister Manuel Valls: “We must face up to a war, a war against terrorism, against jihadism, against radical Islam..”
Notice the word ISLAM. Without pressure from the NF, there would be no recognition that the slaughter in Paris had something to do with Islam.
If “the treatment of immigrants was one of the few areas where there was clear daylight between the two mainstream parties”, it is rapidly fading away. The questions the murderous Islamic Jihadists ask, when determining who to kill, have everything to do with who can quote the Quran and nothing to do with political parties.
The liberal “Left” is composed of people who largely have never paid a personal price for the freedom they enjoy; many being marginal contributors to the defense and economy. One can only imagine how few uber-liberals there were at the end of 1944.
dumbledoresarmy says
From the article (reporting the bleating sheep who is trying to stymy *any* practical measures to resist the Jihad):
“That people — who sometimes don’t even know they have a second nationality — can be banned is like the return of banishment as a penalty.”
First, I very much doubt whether Muslims who have another nationality – e.g. Moroccan, Pakistani – are *unaware* of it. Usually they are very much aware of it, given the number of times that they import girl wives from the old country.
Second – “is like the return of banishment as a penalty”.
Is that so awful? As far as I can see, if restricted specifically to *Mohammedan fifth columnists* banishment – Exile For the Term of Your Natural Life – seems like a very workable idea. It was done to Napoleon, why can’t it be done to jihad-waging/ jihad-plotting/ seditious Mohammedan Fifth Columnists, enemy agents of the Ummah or Mohammedan Mob??
Banish the b*st*rds to the Dar al Islam where they or their parents or grandparents came from.
Spot On says
The French must still own a deserted island or two. That would be a nice place for them.
Sean says
Lol, I love it!
Tough decisions needed during tough times.
duh_swami says
Every third terrorist will be shot…the second one jut left…..Stop playing games and ‘get ready to rumble’…Wren you can;t dance and it’s too wet to plow…rumble…..Rumbling is not pretty, but it may be the only way to get the job done…
Sean says
Big bombs for jihadist – blow them all to hell where they came from!
Jan Aage Jeppesen says
It is already law in Denmark.
Denmark Strips Moslem of Citizenship Over Facebook Terror Posts
July, 2015.
A Danish court stripped the citizenship from a Danish-Moroccan bookseller jailed for inciting terrorism, in the first case of its kind in the country.
Sam Mansour was found guilty of supporting al Qaeda and Syria’s al-Nusra Front in posts on Facebook and for his help in publishing books by Abu Qatada, a Jordanian cleric who was deported from Britain for trial at home.
He was sentenced to four years in jail in December, but the prosecution sought to also strip him of his citizenship, possible only because he still has Moroccan citizenship. He now faces possible deportation to Morocco.
“These comments (in Facebook posts) go way beyond the borders of freedom of speech, which the court also agreed,” public prosecutor Kristian Braad Jensen said outside the court.
Mansour told the hearing he would risk torture if he were returned to Morocco, but the court found this to be a matter for asylum authorities, not the justice system according to a court statement.
Mansour will need to serve out his sentence in Denmark before he can be deported, although his attorney, Thorkild Hoyer, said international treaties might forbid his departure.
I believe this is not only the first time Denmark has done this, but the first time any European country has done it, at least in the modern PC age.
An excellent precedent.
Phil says
On 2nd December this year the Australian Senate passed an amendment to the citizenship Act that stripped dual citizens involved in terrorism overseas of their Australian citizenship. It was opposed by the Greens, of course, but they always accede to Islamofascists. Even Labor passed it – they know how unpopular they’ll become if they oppose it.
Laurence says
Under the (past) Harper Conservative government in Canada, something very similar if not identical, was brought into law, and those of us who understood the logical rationale behind it fully supported it. However with the Trudeau Liberal government now at the helm, relatively newly introduced security laws (by Conservatives), which the Liberals do not like and are opposed to, are being changed and repealed.
And who actually knows but the reason for same might simply be because ‘it is 2015’, and time for ‘sunny ways’, or so says Trudeau and his followers. And basically, Canadians are being encouraged to smile and nod their head in assent, and swallow whatever pill the Liberals prescribe no matter how it looks, sounds, smells, feels, or tastes – it is all good, so we are told. It is the same old, tall and fanciful tales being told. And dissenting opinions and arguments (even those well reasoned and supported by facts) are not all that welcome.
Well, thankfully, and due in part to pressures from the official opposition Conservative Party, as well as from a very sizable segment of the Canadian populace, combined with the near impossible logistics of actually doing same in such a short time frame (and this might have been the greatest restraint), the Liberals had at least backed off somewhat on their asinine promise to bring in 25,000 Syrian refugees by the end of 2015; however they are still committed to and pressing ahead to bring in that magical number of 25,000 by the end of Feb., 2016. Also, with the ‘rumourings’ of additional greater numbers to be brought in sometime throughout 2016.
Now we shall see what awaits. . . .
ninetyninepct says
In King Justin’s little pea brain, a terrorist is a Canadian is a Liberal vote. He see’s no reason to ban dual passports just because a muslim jihadist has gone overseas to kill Canadians. After all, when wounded, these same liberal jihadists need to come to Canada to get free medical treatment with a provincial health care system. Trudeau sees nothing wrong with that.
There is absolutely no reason for the concept of dual nationality. A person is either one country or another.
The dick brained Liberals are also all over the map with their campaign “promises”. It is so obvious that trudeau promised whatever came to his little day care mind just to grab votes. Now that he is in, he does whatever he damn well pleases and it doesn’t matter who gets damaged or suffers because of his constantly changing targets. Indians voted for him because he promised transparency and support, then he promptly turned around and cancelled the requirement for fiscal responsibility. The every day Native is now back in the dark and the chiefs can now do whatever they want with Canada’s money.
Paleologos says
************* OFF TOPIC *************
Another example of the out of control muslim commander in chief … the most anti-Israel U.S. president in history …
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/12/report-obamas-nsa-spied-on-israel-congress-and-jewish-organizations.php
obama … the muslim manchurian candidate
R/
Paleologos
Sean says
Americans want Obama out NOW!
D.m. Ramos says
Amen & Amen.
Get that traitor out & put him on jail where he belongs
Michelle N says
Don’t do nothing, people bitch. Do something, people bitch. One day you can be a ruler on top of the world and the next stuck in the crapper.
I am so SICK AND TIRED though of people bringing up what happened to the Jews and trying to use that as a tool when discussing Muslim refugees when people speak up against not wanting islamnation taking over or terrorism in their country by those who would wage war be it thru cultural or actually physical violence. Bottom line here, the Jews weren’t doing terroristic activities nor were they trying to conquer nor kill according to their religion so get the facts straight!!! Hollande isn’t talking about doing this to ALL Muslims. He only means the ones that are found guilty of waging jihad against others. Something has to be done about this or else we will be looking at an even higher rise in terrorists activities as well as an even greater strain on western society’s idealism in general.
There’s a saying that goes, “if you can’t hang with the big dogs then stay on the porch!”. We are at war with an ideological belief system that has been at war with others for almost 1400 years. If we keep allowing political correctness to put a strangle hold on us or just sit ideally by while being stuck in our own little world’s consumed by the notion that nothing can or will harm us, then we are signing quite possibly the death certificates of more innocent lives in the present that will be lost to terroristic acts as well as the death certificates for multiple decades of future generations. That’s the blood on our hands that people should be thinking of!
Peter Buch says
Ever since the French Revolution in the late 1700s, “le droit du sol” (“the right of the soil”) has been a fundamental principle, giving everyone born in the country the right to citizenship.
Not quite.
Children born in France (including overseas territories) to at least one foreign parent who is also born in France automatically acquire French citizenship at birth. Children born to foreign parents may request citizenship depending on their age and length of residence (see French nationality law).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
Mike says
The irony of this announcement is probably lost on most liberals across the globe that its actually a left wing socialist government who are proposing these measures and not the ‘real enemy’ that politicians like Clinton would have you believe is the Republican Party.
Who claims socialists were the ‘friends’ of the minority groups when they try to give that impression until they are affected personally by terrorist actions ! Wasn’t the Nazi party a socialist party in the 1930’s also ?
Mark says
I hope it’s the first but not the last country to do this.
Sean says
Right Mark,
I pray the trend continues throughout the world.
Singh the Sikh says
Countries like Denmark did not provide a safe haven to Muslims from torture for them to one day turn against the state and take part in seditious activities that endangers other citizens. In such a case, the defence that a revocation of citizen will put defendant at risk of torture is invalid. One cannot be allowed to hide behind risk of torture argument or use it in such cynical manner . Traitorous actions are a good enough reason to revoke citizenship without a second throught.
nacazo says
Ask a muslim in Worcester MA
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/12/29/worcester-islamic-center-host-meet-muslim-event/PxmMwNSKNXXmHvzyIKNsJP/story.html
billybob says
I wish someone with an account there could paste a link to Robert’s previous article on this topic. It listed all the questions he would like to ask. If I ever went to one of these events, I would bring that list with me.
pdxnag says
The allies of the Jihadis should also lose their claim to citizenship, even if they do not have formal dual citizenship.
It is those who stand in the way of the Islamic conquest that are the victims of this assault. The Islamo-Fascist allies of Hitler are the same today as before, only much more dangerous today. They will eventually kill or expel anyone describable as an Islamophobe, a more expansive goal than just attacking Jews – see Koran 9:29.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/blogging-the-quran-sura-9-repentance-verse-29-part-2
Sean says
The Koran is a “junk book” which contradicts itself and the fools who read it are seriously confused and twisted. My neighborhood doesn’t allow any Muslims to move in nor walk down our streets and it will stay that way. I laugh every time a bomb is dropped on Muslims from France, England, United States and Russia. Nice to see the Australians fighting against the Muslims as well. Jiahidist with never win. They’re just teenage punks who don’t even know who their inbred parents are – cockroaches!
Judi says
Sean – where do you live? Sounds like my kind of place.
Sean says
I’m in a rural area in southern CA. Neighbors are old school and trust is earned, not handed out.
Champ says
My neighborhood doesn’t allow any Muslims to move in nor walk down our streets and it will stay that way.
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I’ve never heard of such neighborhood policies, and I’ve lived in SoCal all of my life. Perhpas you live in a community with certain cc&r’s and a HOA that doesn’t allow muslims to move in? Anyway, I would like to live in your community, too! 😀
Sarita says
“Patrick Weil, a political scientist who met Hollande and advised him against the decision, said France would become ‘the first democracy in the world’ to enshrine in its constitution the principle of unequal treatment of dual nationals. ‘It introduces the idea of a different penalty for the same act, just because of the random chance of their birth,’ said Weil, who teaches at Yale University in the United States.”
^^I looked up Patrick Weil in Wiki, and apparently his entire career (authorship, posts he has held, teaching) has been based solely upon defending the rights of immigrants. My question is, why is he defending traitors though? And that is what he’s doing, defending traitors.
mortimer says
Should traitorous, revolutionary ‘immigrants’ have preference over the security of those who are native, indigenous French men and women?
Timothy says
To answer your question mortimer, no they should not. If these with dual citizenship be found to be traitorous and revolutionary be they born in France or not, they could be tried and jailed. It would be better for France to expel them altogether since France has no death penalty.
petey says
Yale, wasn’t that the university where screaming girl confronted the house master squacking about her safe space. Apparently she was distraught over the idea that someone would dare wear a Halloween costume without consulting her sensitivities. What does that tell you!!! Id tell the Yale guy to tabernac, calise est de (as the Vandoos would say)
mortimer says
The problem is ISLAMIC DOCTRINES, rather than ‘jihadists’. Those doctrines are: 1) the jihad doctrine 2) the taqiyya doctrine 3) the kafir doctrine 4) the Islamic apartheid doctrine (al Walaa wal Baraa).
The solution is for the politicians to realize the problem is hidden within Islam, as the flower is hidden inside the seed, the oak within the acorn, and as the chick is present in the egg.
Jihad is a self-assured, fully grown Islam…an ideology with the courage and lucidity to go all the way to its ultimate conclusions and final implications…world conquest for Allah! Destruction of the evil kafirs! Repression and exploitation of women!
Islamism is Islam in all its logic and in all its rigour.
Jay Boo says
We need less PC crime fighters and much more “Slime” Fighters in this battle.
If a (non-Muslim) committed terrorist acts against citizens of an Islamic country he or she would not have to worry about loss of citizenship or even what to eat for breakfast the following morning.
Sean says
Muslims are using different countries rights to infiltrate. They just cry “religious rights” anticipating back off. Jiahidst are making living free very tough for all Muslims.
Sam says
Well, as Robert says the truth about Islam will prevail eventually. However, it will take a long time with Islam getting all the help it can get from all these socialist idiots all over the world. We just have to be vigilant for our own security and keep on talking about Islam. In fact good or bad there is a lot of mention of Islam (surprise) in liberal media than before. That is still good news.
billybob says
What encourages me is seeing all the informed comments about (the negative aspects of) Islam in the comments section of every news article on a related topic. It is just amazing to see. Especially articles about the San Bernardino massacre or even previously – about “Clock Boy Mohammad” drew so many well articulated comments on every angle. People know what is going on, and it is going to become increasingly harder for people like Obama to say stupid things like “Islam is a religion of peace.” He’ll get laughed out of office.
atheist kufar says
It might be the first democratic country to revoke citizenship from those holding two but I am sure it wont be the last. Beside it always take the first to initiate something good.
AP says
Sweden’s First Month Of ‘Islamic Multiculturalism’ – Rapes, Acquittals, & Severed Heads
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-29/swedens-first-month-islamic-multiculturalism-rapes-acquittals-severed-heads
Mark A says
Francois Hollande is showing some backbone here. I didn’t expect that from him and I’m glad to see it. Let’s hope it continues.
Let the leftists moan.
salim says
Good and sensible thinking from Hollande, which is unusual for him and other European leaders. Sadly, Europe reached the point of no return many years ago, it is now beyond repair. Our grand children will see a Europe that is more like Syria and Iraq, which were civilised Christian countries in their time.
America is the last hope for the western world because it hasn’t yet reached the point of no return. With the right policies against islamisation, America can survive. What puzzles me is that America is actually going on the footsteps of Europe, as if Europe was a good example. I am in Europe and remember how it all started: sense of guilt and shame about history and political correctness, which are recipes for death. I just hope the Americans refuse to swallow that lethal pill.
Geraldine says
Why all the bleating about a few terrorists’ citizenships being reduced from two to one? There are thousands – probably hundreds of thousands – of migrants who have deliberately reduced their citizenships from one to none by throwing away their documents.
ballotcode says
Enemies of the State? Get rid of them!
scherado says
“It introduces the idea of a different penalty for the same act, just because of the random chance of their birth,” said Weil, who teaches at Yale University in the United States.
“That people — who sometimes don’t even know they have a second nationality — can be banned is like the return of banishment as a penalty.”
I’m having trouble with both sentences. With respect to the first, can someone tell me what “act” is being referenced?
dajjal says
The act is terrorism. The sentence should be Guillotine, regardless of single or dual citizenship. One does not export his rabid dogs to infect other nations.
Statesmen with balls, spines & brains would expel and exclude terrorists: both active and potential, leaving no Muslims infesting their nations.
Havoc says
Of course, revoke their citizenship – what are we, fools? But revoke the citizenship of those terrorists with only French citizenship, too!
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The West owes Islam/Muslims absolutely nothing. Deport them all. Close the mosques.
Sean says
Exactly. Outside Muslims DO NOT have rights in other countries. Who the hell do the think they are? Like they’re untitled. Governments need to revoke citizenships & and refuse entry. Otherwise dont bitch when the bombs go off.
epistemology says
I wish they would confiscate their passports even if they only have French citizenship. But to make somebody stateless is forbidden by EU law. They should make an exception for these terrorists, they’re no human beings. Somebody who isn’t human doesn’t need a passport.
gary says
It’s a sad day when common sense is debated…
Baucent says
Hollande as a socialist is something of a revelation. His robust military intervention in Mali was surprising as was his airstrikes in Libya and Syria. You can’t fault his crisis leadership in the post Paris terror attacks. He clearly has a steel will to defeat Jihadists where it threatens French interests.
madmemere says
Hollande has the right idea, in this case; but- – once he confiscates their passports, he needs to deport them back to the sand dune of origin.
Mike Proulx says
Holland is starting to sound like Donald Trump only the French have started to figure out what the Hell is going on.
It’s just amazing how the main stream media twist what Trump said, he suggested that we stop all Muslims coming in the US until the authorities get their act together. The vetting process is full of holes by the sounds of it.
No one is against helping victims of war and abuse, but many are against letting murdering fanatics into their country, that is not being racist, it’s called guarding your borders
Wake up America’s were being invaded.
Paul says
Reading most of the articles on Jihad Watch the leftists are just as much the enemy as the muslim terrorists as they are the ones who allow this problem to grow!
Kepha says
Take it easy, Socialist France. We Americans also treat natural-born and naturalized differently, and have always done so. For example, you can’t become President if you’re a naturalized citizen–although if you meet certain age and length of residence requirements on both Constitutional and state levels, you can serve in Congress or get sworn in as a judge.
Also, a naturalized citizen can lose US citizenship for a number of reasons, including serving in a policy-level position in a foreign government or serving as foreign head of state.
You can also lose US naturalization if you’re a serious troublemaker, too–so don’t expect any criticism from Uncle Kepha if you de-naturalize a few Muslim terrorists. We’ve probably already done it. I know we’ve denaturalized a few Chinese-origin gangsters.
This being said, for my fellow Americans, Uncle Kepha is also a firm believer in immigrants’ rights. I’ve got no quarrel with foreign-born neighbors who played by the rules to end up as my countrymen; and I also think that applying the Due Process Clause to illegals who get caught is a sensible idea as well. If I haven’t signed on with any immigrants’ rights organizations, it’s because those groups also play the evil game of using “immigrant” and “undocumented alien” as synonyms, thus insulting the millions of legal immigrants living in the US as either naturalized citizens, citizen wannabes in waiting, or as long-term law-abiding sojourners.
Go for it, Monsieur le President! T’row da bums out! (Dat’s ‘Murkin, folks.)
Matthieu Baudin says
Now that he is a war time leader, President Hollande has to think hard about available options to defend the people. Many will be unhappy with any policy changes that discriminate in any way, but there is no going back to the failed inaction of the past.
Angemon says
Oh, what a bunch of whining f***tards. Hollande is abiding by the rules and is not proposing anything illegal, so take your complaints and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.
“Banning” them is “like the return of banishment as a penalty”? Oh, for f***’s sake, do you think before speaking?
First thing’s first: “le droit do soil”, or jus solis, – the principle that one’s citizenship is tied to the place of birth – is NOT something exclusively French, or created by French people. It goes back to the Roman Empire, and probably before that. Second, most of Europe, with France being the notable, bases its citizenship laws in jus sanguinis, the principle that citizenship is passed down by kinship – one of your parent is Italian, therefore you have Italian citizenship, even if you’re born in Jamaica. You know why that is? Because there’s more to being French, or German, or British, or Italian, or Spanish, or Portuguese, or Austrian, etc, than being born in a place. Countries have an associated language and culture, and citizenship is granted to someone born from one or two parents on the ground that the child will be raised in accordance to the language and culture. Sure, that doesn’t always happen, but that’s the idea behind it.
It’s funny how the people being outraged at the removal of citizenship from people who are traitors – there’s no other way to put it – on the grounds that “It introduces the idea of a different penalty for the same act” are the same people who support “hate laws”, something that, lo and behold, hands out different penalties for the same act. It’s even funnier that “banishing” traitors to go and live – or die – somewhere else is portrayed in a bad light, considering the penalty for treason.