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Germany: Muslims beat Christians after Christmas celebrations: “I’m a Muslim, what are you?”

Dec 26, 2015 7:05 pm By Robert Spencer

This is all the Christians’ fault, obviously. They didn’t show enough solidarity with Islam. Perhaps Fr. Ron Rolheiser can jet over to Berlin and apologize to the attackers on behalf of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles and Christians everywhere who know better than to “provoke” Muslims and “poke them in the eye.”

Potsdamer Platz

“Christians Beaten in Berlin After Xmas Day Celebrations; ‘I Am Muslim, What Are You?’ Shouts Attacker,” Breitbart, December 26, 2015:

Four Christians have been beaten up in Berlin, Germany’s capital city, in the early hours of Saturday morning.

German media reports that four men were leaving the Adagio venue in the bustling Potzdamer Platz area when they were challenged by a man who exclaimed: “I am a Muslim! What are you?” before setting upon the four 20-somethings. He was reportedly assisted by four, older accomplices.

Police are now investigating the incident as a politically motivated attack, and at least five people are thought to have been injured in the melee, including one passer by who tried to settle the dispute.

The injured apparently refused medical treatment, and police records indicated they were from Serbia and Montenegro, and are Orthodox Christians….

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  1. Theodoric says

    Dec 26, 2015 at 7:16 pm

    “one passer-by… tried to settle the dispute”

    – Yes, you greasy Islamophobes, it was simply a theological dispute between Muslim extremists and Christian extremists.

    Muslim extremists: “We Muslims have the right to beat up Christians wherever we find them!”

    Christian extremists: “No, actually you DON’T have the right to beat up Christians wherever you find them!”

    – And who can say which of the two groups is the more extreme?

    • mortimer says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 1:02 am

      What Christian ‘extremists’?

      There is no organized resistance to Islamization. The counterjihad is a movement of volunteers who write about counterjihad. They are like the samizdat movement that eventually brought down the Soviet Union. The Counterjihad will eventually bring down Islam. The fruits of the CJ movement are becoming more and more generally known. We will soon reach a saturation point when public opinion will massively swing to the understanding of Islam as an irremediable, misogynistic Death Cult.

      • Veritas says

        Dec 27, 2015 at 3:19 am

        I believe you. I also believe in Santa Claus.

        • Blurb1000 says

          Dec 27, 2015 at 7:12 am

          Yes, I’m a beliver too. Merry Chr … mas

    • Bob says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 7:44 am

      Are you serious, the Christians were hardly being ‘extremist’ or aggressive!

    • harry says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 3:03 pm

      sodomize the muslim males!!
      Tit for tat is what the muslims deserve
      tit fortat

    • Sergio says

      Dec 28, 2015 at 5:22 am

      LOL. Nice comment. It accurately reflects how the media portrays these wanton religiously-motivated attacks on Christians.

  2. خَليفة says

    Dec 26, 2015 at 7:23 pm

    It’s only a matter of time before some vigilantly groups are formed in Germany, it would be so easy to bate muzzies – Have some guy dressed as a young woman seemingly walking alone, when the muzzies attack the other neo-Nazi fourth reich vigilantes come out of the shadows and go apocalyptic. When the muzzie dogs go down their dying or dead bodies will be sprinkled with bacon bits.

    If the government can’t get things under control and make people feel safe some people will do what they think they need to in order to survive.

    • nicu says

      Dec 26, 2015 at 7:30 pm

      exactly ! and then they wonder how this could happen …

      Gemans a re oppressed : censorship about Muslim Crimes and if they attack you YOU get charged for bodily injury if you defend !

      and still thousands of refugees are waiting on the non – existing borders !

    • Western Canadian says

      Dec 26, 2015 at 8:16 pm

      Your referencing neo-nazi in your post, is unbelievably stupid. In every possible way. Nazi’s in their original incarnation were in bed with Jew and Christian hating muslims, hitler himself expressing admiration for islam prior to attaining power. neo-nazis are NOT welcome in the anti-jihad movement, due to their having a great deal in common with devout muslims. In Germany, those fighting for what’s left of the Jewish/Christian west are smeared in the left wing media etc. by being call hard right,and nazi’s. To have ANYONE be stupid enough to suggest nazi’s are on our side, is beyond stupid to outright criminal. Get your head out of your nether regions, and until then, SHUT THE F@@@ UP!!

      • BlueHawK says

        Dec 26, 2015 at 8:28 pm

        Thank you! Suggesting violence is exACTLY what they want, to goad non-muslims into being the “right wing extremists” they think we are! Defend yourselves, but going vigilante will do nothing to help the cause!

        • Veritas says

          Dec 27, 2015 at 3:24 am

          In other words, submit, don’t rock the boat, accept the violence of Islam and do nothing to provoke them.

          Seems like I heard something like this at Munich.

        • BlueHawK says

          Dec 27, 2015 at 7:37 am

          Veritas says

          December 27, 2015 at 3:24 am

          In other words, submit, don’t rock the boat, accept the violence of Islam and do nothing to provoke them.

          Seems like I heard something like this at Munich.

          Absolutely not what I meant. I meant don’t write out plans of actions, don’t let them think you are preparing to attack. Be vigilant, know everything, everyone that is planning evil for us. Giving away your plans of “defense”, ideas how to deal with such inevitabilities is unwise. Plus being already labeled as :haters”, why give those idiots any potential ammunition to sto the defense of our ways of life before we start. 😉 (wink) 😉

      • خَليفة says

        Dec 26, 2015 at 9:31 pm

        WC Your simple-minded vocabulary and grammatical structures renders your ego transparent.

        You didn’t notice, and I’m not surprised, that I did not indicate any Christian, Jewish, Hindu, et cetera, group would form a vigilante group. Rather, a group that is racist and supremist and prone to violence would form a vigilante group. Oh wait, is that a coincidence that Muslims are racist and supremist and prone to violence? Why do Shiites and Sunnis kill each other?

        And you didn’t notice that I neither condoned nor condemned such vigilantism – I merely stated that it’s only a matter of time before it occurs.

        Hitler was a Christian, an evil and perverted one with only one ball, but God fearing and he didn’t drink alcohol. There is evidence to suggest it was only after the grad mufti of Jerusalem, who was given an allowance by the 3rd Reich, suggested exterminating all the Jews that the Nazi party went into full extermination mode. That and other factors…

        • Semeru says

          Dec 26, 2015 at 11:07 pm

          خَليفة says
          There is evidence to suggest it was only after the grad mufti of Jerusalem, who was given an allowance by the 3rd Reich, suggested exterminating all the Jews that the Nazi party went into full extermination mode.

          Bullshit. The fact is the Grand Mufti met Hitler when the extermination was already in full swing,

          A great deal of evidence indicates that the decision to murder all the Jews of Europe had been taken sometime during the prior six months. The implementation of the policy, indeed, had begun immediately after the invasion of the USSR on June 22, when Einsatzgruppen squads began rounding up and shooting Jews by the thousands as troops advanced into the USSR.

          On July 31, Reinhard Heydrich of the SS had received a directive to prepare “the total solution of the Jewish question,” The construction of death camps in Poland had already begun

          Full official record: What the mufti said to Hitler

          GRAND MUFTI:
          The Grand Mufti began by thanking the Fuhrer for the great honor he had bestowed by receiving him. He wished to seize the opportunity to convey to the Fuhrer of the Greater German Reich, admired by the entire Arab world, his thanks of the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially the Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches.

          Here is the full document of what was said

          http://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/

          He did not say say anything about the fate of the millions of Jews—most of them Polish and Soviet nationals—who had already come under Hitler’s control. What he wanted, and did not get, was the authorization to proceed immediately to a revolt against the colonial powers in the Middle East and a war against the British and the Jews in Palestine.

        • Wellington says

          Dec 27, 2015 at 12:16 am

          While Hitler was baptized a Catholic, to call him a Christian is a distortion of the first order. Hitler despised Christianity and this is made abundantly clear from his Table Talk. He looked upon Christianity as a religion for the weak, as a belief system that was antithetical to his ideas of Aryan supremacy. He did have a sense of a higher power that had delegated him to do great things but the Providence he believed in bore little to no relationship to the Judeo-Christian conception of God.

        • Western Canadian says

          Dec 27, 2015 at 11:13 am

          “Hitler was a Christian, an evil and perverted one with only one ball, but God fearing and he didn’t drink alcohol.”

          Another fantastic example of your ignorance or dishonesty, either or both, and profound in all cases. hitler was not a Christian, he loathed and despised Christianity, and sought to destroy it, first in Germany. Bible and cross replaced by his pathetic book and a sword, military members prohibited from wearing their uniforms while going to church…. He lamented Christianity keeping islam out of Europe, as he admired islam and thought it better suited to the German people,.

          Your simple minded ignorance is exceeded by your equally simple minded dishonesty.

          “You didn’t notice, and I’m not surprised, that I did not indicate any Christian, Jewish, Hindu, et cetera, group would form a vigilante group. Rather, a group that is racist and supremist and prone to violence would form a vigilante group.”

          What race is islam again? Your stupidity is showing again.

        • MKG says

          Dec 27, 2015 at 4:48 pm

          While you guys are beating eachother up over whether Hitler and the Nazis were Christians please identify for me any other country in recent history that has gone to war with crosses on their tanks and planes, or who have Gott Mit Uns, “God with us” stamped in their belt buckles.
          Inconvenient truth? It doesn’t matter now. What matters now is whether Christians will step up to the plate and fight for the ground their standing on. It will take more than banging away at a keyboard on social media.

        • Joseph says

          Dec 28, 2015 at 1:29 am

          MKG,
          Sorry to bust your bubble but that marking that looks like a cross is not the Christian cross. See for yourself
          http://www.schwimmwagen.ch/english/tacticalSigns_E.html

          What you are looking at is the “Balkenkreuz” or to put it simply, another version of the iron cross.,
          Any WWII buffs out there to explain it better?

        • MKG says

          Dec 28, 2015 at 2:16 am

          That’s right Joseph, a variation of the Iron Cross, introduced in the early 1800’s in Prussia as a medal for valor, but a cross none the less. And the Gott Mit Uns on the belt buckles? Anybody care to explain?
          The Germans were a very Christian nation who had the crap beat out of them in WWI and then lead down a dark road only to have the crap beat out if them again.
          Thanks for the link Joseph. Stay Sharp.

      • Semeru says

        Dec 26, 2015 at 11:29 pm

        West Canadick says

        neo-nazis are NOT welcome in the anti-jihad movement, due to their having a great deal in common with devout muslims

        What a load of poppycock

        I posted above about Marwa Ali El-Sherbini who was stabbed by Alex Wiens

        I forgot to mention that Wiens “voted NPD (a neo-Nazi party) because he said it was the only party that would ensure that Germany would be free of foreigners”, the judge said.

        • Western Canadian says

          Dec 27, 2015 at 11:20 am

          Smearu says that… Who cares what he says… Organizations that work very hard to keep nazis out, in England, are still smeared as being nazis, for the simple reason that those oppose islamice immigration and the resultant explosion in crime…. Just because some left wing reporter/judge/priest throws the term around, doesn’t mean it fits.

        • Semeru says

          Dec 28, 2015 at 9:29 pm

          Western Canadick

          Smearu says that… Who cares what he says

          Whatever, no matter what I say, the NDP still remains a neo nazi party

          The National Democratic Party of Germany is an extreme right political party in Germany espousing German nationalism. It was founded in 1964 as successor to the German Reich Party (German: Deutsche Reichspartei, DRP). Party statements also self-identify the party as Germany’s “only significant patriotic force”.

          The party is usually described as a neo-Nazi organization,] and has been referred to as “the most significant neo-Nazi party to emerge after 1945”

          Western Canadick also says

          Organizations that work very hard to keep nazis out, in England, are still smeared as being nazis, for the simple reason that those oppose islamice immigration and the resultant explosion in crime…. Just because some left wing reporter/judge/priest throws the term around, doesn’t mean it fits.

          Well it is obvious you have not been visiting this site so long, other wise you would have noticed that Robert Spencer is also guilty of smearing he two main groups that where opposing islamization in the UK. and implying that they are nazi EDL and BNP

          As I have said before, I completely disavow all racist and neo-Nazi ideas. I also disavow all race-based approaches to the jihad threat, for the reasons explained above, and will not work with the VB or the BNP.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/01/vlaams-belang-allies-with-british-national-party

          I did not go to England planning to meet with the EDL, I did not make such plans there, and I did not meet with them….…I will not work with racists, fascists, neo-Nazis, etc.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/09/libelblogger-charles-johnson-of-little-green-footballs-digs-deeper-adding-new-lies-to-his-original-o

        • Western Canadian says

          Dec 28, 2015 at 10:52 pm

          I have been reading and posting here for year, unlike you, and yes, I am familiar with the trouble that ANY antijihad group will have, keeping the thugs out…. This board has problems with thugs who advocate killing all muslims, including children, and those who hate any religion or belief system, other than there own;…. you might have seen some of that, from your own keyboard.

      • Avenger says

        Dec 27, 2015 at 11:55 pm

        You’re correct on ripping this noodle writer WC! He or “it” posts on other anti-jihad websites as a woman (Carolyn) and sometimes on this site (I think) as Ramirez.
        This stealth jihadi stated that Arab Christians are as insidious as any Muslim and should be exterminated along with ISIS in both Syria and Iraq, then “It” goes on and posts that the Hagia Sophia is a “ugly” building and that Erdogan should destroy it.
        This guy foments readers to state bigoted and violent replies which could be used against this website later. Stay clear of this jerkoff!

        • Western Canadian says

          Dec 28, 2015 at 6:09 pm

          Not a single word in your sick and twisted post, is even close to the truth. I have been posting here for years, and any, repeat, ANY viewing of my posts, shows you to be a sickening liar. I have never posted anything that even vaguely resembles your sick minded fantasies. Feel free to shove your head back up where it spends most of its time.

        • Avenger says

          Dec 28, 2015 at 11:18 pm

          @Western Canadian
          Take a deep breath, I wasn’t implying any of my post towards you. It’s for the guy who suggests dressing up a dude as a chick and setting a trap for a Muslim rapist. I’m actually agreeing with you.

        • Western Canadian says

          Dec 29, 2015 at 7:04 am

          Oh, OK. Your first sentence, does sort of point to be being the ‘noodle.

    • particolor says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 4:28 am

      Well ! I read all of that and all I can say is.. What a Waste of Bacon Pieces ! 🙁 I could have used them in the Fried Rice !!

    • TH says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 1:08 pm

      The vigilantes don’t need to do any killling of attacking of human beings. All they need to do is to kill a number of pigs and rub the doors all al the mosques with the dead pig meat, leave some pigs heads around the place, and there will be mayhem. No muzzie will ever enter the mosques again.

  3. Singh the Sikh says

    Dec 26, 2015 at 7:53 pm

    This ‘turn the other cheek’ mantra by the likes of Fr Ron has reached ridiculous proportions. A Muslim will simply break your jaw.

    • Tatonka. says

      Dec 26, 2015 at 8:37 pm

      You have a point there brother, if Christians start breaking jaws as well then there will be no peace in sight for anybody.

      • James says

        Dec 26, 2015 at 9:05 pm

        I’m sorry. Do you believe there is peace in sight? Honestly. War looms.

      • Singh the Sikh says

        Dec 26, 2015 at 9:57 pm

        No, it wouldn’t do for the rest of us to fall to the same level as Muslims, but no need to bend down and offer you arse to them on a platter, in the name of tolerance, while they show none. There are non-violent ways of resisting. Stop unfettered immigration for once. Deportations and revocations of trouble makers. Punish hate speech.

        No one needs or wants an implosion of violence except islamists, so why play in their hands.

      • Veritas says

        Dec 27, 2015 at 3:27 am

        How right you are. Just ask the Japanese and Germans if retaliation taught them anything. You cannot reason with those who refuse to learn.

      • TheDane says

        Dec 27, 2015 at 6:46 am

        I am a Christian, and I say: Give them War! God has also said that we should outroot evil among us, and nowhere in the Bible does it say that we are not allowed to defend ourselves against occupants that come to steel and rob our country and homes, decapitate, kill, molest women and children, take sex-slaves, burn people of other faiths over at slow fire, etc, etc, etc! They are demon-possessed animals!

        We will have to pick up arms to survive, you need to understand that!

  4. Wellington says

    Dec 26, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    Thank you again, Angela Merkel. My God, what a silly person you are despite all your degrees and thus proving that no amount of education is a guarantee against foolishness and stupidity.

    • خَليفة says

      Dec 26, 2015 at 9:34 pm

      Hahaha *sob sob for Germany*

  5. Ex-muslim says

    Dec 26, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    Islam is an evil and hateful cult death filled with violence, ignorance and jealousy. The only language that muslims understand is toughness and resolve and every thing they see in the Western world is the opposite of that and that encourages them to even be more violent and more evil. The more politically-correct, the more weak and the more anti-Christ Western peoples become the more violent persecution will muslims unleash against Christians in the islamic lands and even against Christians who live in the West. Right now, muslims started persecuting ex-muslims and other Christians who are living in Germany, Sweden, UK, Norway and many other EU countries. Right now Christians cannot live among the muslim refugees who live in European refugee shelters all across the EU and this persecution of Christians in the EU and in North America will only increase as there are NO peoples that are countering this arrogant islamic aggression in the West.

    • mortimer says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 12:50 am

      How can we deprogram Muslims in your opinion?

      • particolor says

        Dec 27, 2015 at 4:38 am

        Too Easy Absolutely STOP ALL WELFARE ( JIZRA To Them ) !! And only supply Food Tickets !!
        Arrest them for Consorting if 3 or more gather !
        Immediate Deportation for Attacking a Native Citizen in any form
        And NO Free Lawyers…

        • Ex-muslim says

          Dec 27, 2015 at 10:49 am

          particolor & mortimer

          Very well said indeed particolor!

          And to that I will add: make fun of their evil cult, draw cartoons everywhere and exposing it for what it is which is a cult of hate, death, ignorance, barbarism, darkness, jealousy, aggression, supremacism and evil.

        • St. Michael Defend Us says

          Dec 27, 2015 at 11:59 am

          Stop the food tickets, also. If you keep feeding them, they multiply.

    • Oppressaphobe says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 5:28 pm

      Ex-muslim,

      Wow, you covered all the bases in your description: jealousy, supremacism, barbarism, darkness.
      People are hesitant to say the truth and you have authority too. I hope you keep speaking up.

  6. mortimer says

    Dec 27, 2015 at 12:49 am

    This is the beginning of the great jihad within Germany. It will end badly after savage fighting.

    The Muslims have thrown down the gauntlet. Kum-by-yah singing will not help Germany.

    Germans will either fight for their country or lose it to the savages.

    • particolor says

      Dec 28, 2015 at 10:58 pm

      I can just see Merkel now in a Medieval German Helmet and Spear !! 🙂 🙂 Rueing what she caused !

  7. mortimer says

    Dec 27, 2015 at 1:08 am

    The San Bernardino attack was at a CHRISTMAS PARTY.

    The Berlin attack was the day following CHRISTMAS. See the connection.

    Muslims will attack at Christmas because for them the Incarnation is evil and they want to wipe its celebration out. There will be more attacks every year until the war takes place all year…against Christianity in every country.

    • Oppressaphobe says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 5:33 pm

      Yes I see the connection and have been trying to make that point. This year, 2015, they have made a huge dent in our joy of our holidays. I worry about the psychological impact they are successfully having on Christians. They do psychological warfare and we are not savvy to this type of warfare. We don’t even believe we are in a war at all–we’re just celebratin Christmas like we always have but something is different this year. Then add in Las Vegas to boot. That’s why I was so suspitious of the LV attack.

  8. Champ says

    Dec 27, 2015 at 3:32 am

    “I’m a Muslim, what are you?”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I’m NOT a muslim, why are you?

    A muslim is a follower of ‘prophet’ muhammad: probably the most notorious and vilest criminal who ever lived.

    So of course I’m not a muslim. Again, why are you?

  9. Mark A says

    Dec 27, 2015 at 4:19 am

    A Christmas present from Angela Merkel.

  10. TheDane says

    Dec 27, 2015 at 6:40 am

    “Politically motivated attack”?! Try “religiously motivated”! One day, probably too late, it will perhaps dawn on Merkel the Stupid that these devils are entering to create a Caliphate and to kill all Christians! Shame on that crazy woman! I cannot fathom that the Germans put up with her? They should jail her and throw her in a dungeon and throw away the key.

  11. Lynne says

    Dec 27, 2015 at 7:25 am

    The media keeps saying radical Islam. When did it become radical ?

    • Dacritic says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 9:29 am

      “Radical” means fundamental, or root, similar to what you have in mathematics with radical numbers. So radical Islam means going back to the root of Islam. The media is not wrong in this case.

      • Western Canadian says

        Dec 27, 2015 at 4:00 pm

        Not wrong, but unfortunately, the word is no longer understood.

        A ‘radical Christian or Jew will build a school or hospital, or volunteer in them if they are of average income and resources. A radical muslim will burn both down, preferably with a huge number of innocent victims inside.

  12. J Smith says

    Dec 27, 2015 at 9:26 am

    The citizens of Germany need a 2nd Amendment.

    • Oppressaphobe says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 5:05 pm

      Hey, why not?

      Why don’t they just make a big push for the 2nd, and then let the ‘peaces’ fall where they will!!!

      Great idea-I’m hope some germens are listening, then the French, the English, the swedes and there’s your answer—: Courtesy of the red white and blue!!.

      • Oppressaphobe says

        Dec 27, 2015 at 5:15 pm

        Wanna know another good solution?

        Well I’m gonna tell you anyway. POPULATION CONTROL

        That right! If they want to overtake us by population, then put a TWO CHILDREN LIMIT ON ALL FAMILIES IN THE UNITED STATES!!!

        The green crowd can’t possibly argue with the logic and nobody worthwhile to our liberty is having more than two children anyway.

        Now you just have to talk all these baby killers to have their children, PAY THEM HANDSOMELY for their child, adopt those children out and we could have a million more Americans in 20 years.

        Of course, no politician is going to do something so common sensical. No, we’re gonna wait till its a crisis, we’re gonna build camps to hold all the Americans that just won’t go along with the islamization thing, then when we can’t afford to wage the WAR ON PATRIOTISM any longer, maybe they’ll come up with a halfway intelligent solution.

        Our politicians no longer think for themselves–RARELY DO THEY HAVE ANY GOOD IDEAS AND THAT’S THE PROBLEM. WE NEED SOLUTIONS AND THEY AREN’T GIVING US ANY.

  13. duh_swami says

    Dec 27, 2015 at 9:30 am

    I
    . a Muslim, what are you?

    I’m not a Muslim of a Christian, my name is Dajjal, and I have been looking for you a long time…

    :Look on the web for legal to catty self defense hand weapons….

  14. Dacritic says

    Dec 27, 2015 at 9:30 am

    When people shout, “I am Muslim!”, I don’t understand how this can be seen as “politically motivated”.

    • Western Canadian says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 4:03 pm

      The self proclaimed elites are very good at retaining their blindness and deafness.

  15. abad says

    Dec 27, 2015 at 10:40 am

    I am hoping that Merkel is unable to sleep at night and unable to look at herself in the mirror.

    She has destroyed Germany in the name of “Muslim tolerance” and before you know it, there will be no more Germans left courtesy of Muslim Jihadis.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 12:04 pm

      You’re being optimistic. People like Merkel are pious and pompous in their willful ignorance, and quite satisfied with themselves. And this is the one who publicly stated that multiculturalism is a failure. Too bad she didn’t take her own advice.

  16. Oppressaphobe says

    Dec 27, 2015 at 1:33 pm

    Without getting into history, however distorted it might be, we can easily observe that Islam has much in common with the Nazis.

    THEY ARE BOTH AUTHORITARIAN

    NEITHER ELEVATES THE INDIVIDUAL (unless its the top dogs)

    BOTH EMPLOY VIOLENCE TO MAINTAIN POWER

    NEITHER ESPOUSE INDIVIDUAL SALVATION OR RELATIONSHIP TO A HIGHER POWER OUTSIDE OF THE STATE

    Many other similarities between these two very immature and backwards ideologies.

    The funny thing is how the liberals embrace Islam and the oppression of women.

    They say that they hate Nazis, but they want the government to control speech and political correctness to rule the day.

    The above discussions about whether Hitler was a Christian or not are very interesting but I think the take away needs to be that he acted, of course, more like Islam so anything else is almost irrelevant, however interesting.

    • Wellington says

      Dec 27, 2015 at 3:35 pm

      Islam does indeed have much in common with Nazism. Both are totalitarian ideologies, the one secular, the other spiritual. The main difference is the grouping of human beings that Nazism and Islam single out for second class status or death. Nazism based the grouping on ethnicity while Islam does so on belief. I would add that Marxism, yet another totalitarian ideology, bases the grouping on the socio-economic element, i.e., the middle and upper classes.

      I proceed on the assumption that any ideology or institution that singles out certain groups of people in this earthly life for second class status or death is, ipso facto, evil. By this calculation Islam most assuredly is evil. No doubt about it. The only wonder of it all is that more have not figured this out by now, though I am encouraged by the fact that an increasing percentage of mankind is “getting” this. ‘Bout time.

      • Oppressaphobe says

        Dec 27, 2015 at 5:00 pm

        Where I would disagree is that Islam is spiritual. Islam is certainly not a ‘typical’ spiritual ideology. It espouses a political agenda, not often paired up when the media covers islam. But ask a devout muslim if they have a political agenda that they seek. In the West we are used to separation of church and state and so we think of government as politics and religion as spiritual. Not so in Islam.

        And again, I flabbergasted by the liberals tolerance of a religion that seeks to impose its will on the political agenda. Wow!

        • Wellington says

          Dec 27, 2015 at 8:39 pm

          Yes, Islam is not a typical spiritual ideology but I would contend that it is a spiritual ideology nonetheless. I would ask where is it written that 1) a religion cannot also be a political ideology; and 2) that it cannot be malevolent?

          Islam is the odd-man out among major faiths but that it is a major faith there can be no doubt, as Robert Spencer himself has asserted on numerous occasions. All those attempting to deny Islam religious status are proceeding from a losing proposition from the get-go. Islam is a religion, is a spiritual ideology, is also a political ideology, is additionally a totalitarian ideology and is wicked.

          Does mankind have a major problem on its hands because of this? You bet it does. But knowledge is power. In dealing with Islam the more that is known about this profoundly troubling religion the better.

  17. Oppressaphobe says

    Dec 27, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    Tough sledding ahead guys!

    In learning about Islam, shouldn’t that include their history? If white America has been forced to acknowledge their history of slavery, repudiate it (civil war and civil rights), why would it be “islamophobic” just to talk about the history of Islam? And did we error in not teaching it properly? I’ll bet you as we speak the history books are being adjusted so that Islam looks better.

    In the case of Native Americans (of which I am so I may speak) their reputation proceeded them. I grew up hearing about savage Indians. Now, I’m sure history books are much kinder to them than a generation ago.

    However, it drives me crazy to hear about how the Europeans mis-treated the Indians because there are so many actual accounts written that survive and nobody denies that they would take little babies and smash their heads against the trees-I’m sorry this is a historical truth. Now sure, Europeans were more or less interloping, but some probably wanted to live peacefully among the Indians. But to excuse all behavior and blame it on the Europeans is distorted.

    Native americans don’t excessively protest and white americans don’t protest being blames for slavery but oh islam, I don’t think they would like to deal with THEIR HISTORY and I sense a huge CAIR movement in the courts would ensue if we started to talk about their history of aggression over hundreds of years!!

  18. Angemon says

    Dec 29, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    German media reports that four men were leaving the Adagio venue in the bustling Potzdamer Platz area when they were challenged by a man who exclaimed: “I am a Muslim! What are you?” before setting upon the four 20-somethings. He was reportedly assisted by four, older accomplices.

    Police are now investigating the incident as a politically motivated attack, and at least five people are thought to have been injured in the melee, including one passer by who tried to settle the dispute.

    What political party did the assailants belong to? And how did they knew their victims belonged to another party?

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