We shall see once again in the coverage of this incident that the one thing the UK government and media will want you to know about it is that it has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, and that Muslims in the UK fear an “Islamophobic” backlash.
“BREAKING: Machete ‘Syria revenge’ stabbing in London now treated as TERROR attack,” by Alix Culbertson, Express, December 5, 2015:
A man was stabbed in the ticket hall at Leytonstone station this evening by another man who witnesses say shouted “This is for Syria” as he slashed his throat.
Another three are thought to have been injured.
The Met Police said its counter-terrorism command unit is now investigating the incident.
Police said they used a taser on the suspect as he threatened others with a knife, before they managed to arrest him.
The victim was rushed to hospital in a serious condition with multiple stab wounds, paramedics said.
Frightened witnesses described how their normal Saturday night-out turned into a horror show.
One said the victim was an “elderly” man with a younger female family member while another said the man had a long knife, which looked like a machete.
A video taken by another witness shows a big pool of blood just outside the ticket barrier as police confront the attacker, then taser him before putting handcuffs on him and arresting him.
One witness, who did not want to be named, said: “So as I was going to Leytonstone station was dressed to go to Christmas dinner with people from work.
“As I walked down I just saw a lot of people running but I ignored it and kept walking to get my train, but suddenly what I saw I couldn’t believe my eyes and what I saw was I guy with a knife and a dead guy on the floor.
“I was so scared I ran for my life. After good 10-15 police came and got the guy and arrested him.
“And as he was coming out this is what he said “This is what happens when you f*** with mother Syria all of your blood will be spilled”.”
Evitri Payet said fellow witnesses were shouting at the suspect: “You’re not Muslim.” …
Yes, he ceased being Muslim the moment he did something that made Islam look bad.
David says
It took 3 hours for the BBC to publish a story about it. I was seeing stories on twitter from chinese, ukraine and indonesian news agencies about it and the BBC had nothing, musn’t offend the ‘Religion of peace’!
Don McKellar says
Well, they had to find a spin on it that would be politically acceptable to their moslem masters. That quote at the end seems like a complete fabrication and it makes the story acceptable to print for the BBC.
خَليفة says
I agree Don. I thought that last quote, even if someone actually said it, was just taqyia.
Krampus says
Totally fabricated. Someone needs to subpoena the video from the London Underground of this complete incident and see if people really did say this.
Aardvark says
That quote at the end doesn’t appear on the BBC version, which is titled “Leytonstone Tube station stabbing a ‘terrorist incident'”.
Perhaps even the Beeb are waking up to the fact that we are at war with Islam…
Well, I can at least hope!
worldcitizen1919 says
We are at war with terrorist but not all 1.6 billion Muslims. That would mean civil war on every country on earth.
Budvarakbar says
Hey Worldcitizen – you’re either a putrid lying muslim or a complete fool — open your dam eyes – every country on earth with these retrograde bastards has ‘terrorist attacks ongoing.–
Read up and wise up: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Demsci says
Worldcitizen1919, Islam gives us plenty reason to distruct 1.6 billion Muslims, and they in turn give us precious little to earn our trust.
Demsci says
Typo; I meant Islam gives us plenty reason to distruST 1.6 billion Muslims. And they give us precious little reason to earn our trust despite that.
Aardvark says
Anyway, they were probably shouting ‘Look out! It’s a muslim!”
mortimer says
To Worldcitizen, I recommend you offer yourself the luxury of reading the opinion surveys of Muslims assembled by PEW RESEARCH. They are very revealing.
15% of Muslims (one in six +-) believe in TERRORISM…though few of them are doing it. However, 65% of Muslims want a caliphate and strict Sharia…that’s what ISIS is doing.
Muslims are inconsistent. They want PURE ISLAM, but few are ready to go to war for and lose everything they own and their lives in a war. Most Muslims are ‘hypocrites’ according to Mohammed.
VRWC member77 says
@worldcitizen1919
The official number is 1.3 billion. I get tired of Islamic supremacists like you and the ignorant left pulling ever increasing numbers out of your backside.
Shane says
The lesson to be learned is that jihadis will not be stopped by gun control, as they will use machetes, knives, pipe bombs, and other types of bombs to wage jihad against the infidels. Obama and the left are distracting us from solving the problem of Islamic jihad by talking about gun control and climate change.
Unfree Occupied Dingdom says
When you are an occupied country all communications must go through The Ministry of Truth before publication. The natives must be kept sedated with lies.
cs says
30 min walk from home, scary shit.
dumbledoresarmy says
I thought at once of all the jihadwatchers I know who have identified themselves as from the UK – and a few I know from London.
Thinking of you.
Remember the Leathernecks!
Might be a good idea for Islamoaware Infidels everywhere – not just in the UK but everywhere else, including Australia, Canada, USA – to forget about texting or wearing earphones while walking about in public places (that is, if anybody who has even halfway wised up to the Muslim Fifth Column is still doing that…) or travelling on public transport. We who know what is likely to happen *must* have our antennae out. Keep an eye open and aware.
Shopping centres and big department stores are very likely targets especially as Christmas approaches…remember the Muslim murder of those poor people in IKEA? Be wary in the kitchenware sections!
Also, check out what the Israelis are doing, and how they are reacting to the Stabbing Jihad (which is also Rock-Throwing jihad, Molotov Cocktail Jihad, Running-Over-With-Cars Jihad [just like the Muslims did to Lee Rigby, before they stabbed him] and every now and again, shooting jihad.
Buy the very best umbrella you can, a long one, sturdily made, with a good solid wooden handle and a metal pointed end. Winter and appalling weather have arrived in the UK I observe, so you have every excuse to carry it.
As far as the stabbing jihad goes, within Israel more and more of the would-be stabbers are getting obliterated by the police and/ or IDF or by security guards before they can get going.
Some Israelis have used guns but others have used whatever they had to hand – selfie sticks, really heavy umbrellas (the kind with serious wooden handles) and something weird called a nunchuk to subdue stabbers. Wham! Wham! Wham!
Also, write to the Mayor of London and asking for UK soldiers to be given The Freedom of the City for the duration…with the right to carry their lawful arms which they know how to use. Tell the mayor and the PM and the police minister and whoever’s in charge of homeland security, and the Defence minister, to go talk to the Israelis, ASAP, and ask for their advice…and **follow the advice when it is given**.
And for good measure, point out, loud and clear, that if NO Muslims were resident in the UK this sort of sh*t would NOT HAVE HAPPENED. Demand that all Muslim immigration cease, immediately, and that all non-citizen Muslims now present in the UK should NOT EVER be granted citizenship, and that the government must get to work on the process of deporting them; and demand that mosques known to be preaching jihad be shut down, permanently.
Got Muslims? Got Jihad.
Fewer Muslims? Less Jihad.
More Muslims? More jihad.
TediNeo98 says
UK…in our town centre here they arrested 3, taking pictures of security cameras and exits at the local shopping centre. This story never made the BBC news…Just to add to your list, Krav Maga training comes in handy too.
I am also grateful for all of my firearms training in Africa.
Shane says
Yes, you make perfect sense, but it is almost impossible to get liberals to change their mind about Islam and Muslims because they have been indoctrinated to believe that the biggest problem in the USA today is right wing Christians who don’t believe in gay marriage and who oppose abortion. Liberals are teaching our youth that Islam is a religion of peace that is no more violent than Christianity, despite the daily evidence that proves otherwise.
cs says
hi, dumbledoresarmy
Yeah, Westerfield is a probable target, but I am more concern with the underground, it is defenseless.
Good luck to us all. The JRCs must be closed ASAP.
JRC = Jihad Recruitment Centers = Mosques & Madrassas who teach proper Islam.
cs says
typo: concerned.
Champ says
Police said they used a taser on the suspect as he threatened others with a knife, before they managed to arrest him.
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They used a “taser”? WHAT! Methinks he should have been shot and killed on the spot!
Krampus says
Regular cops in the UK don’t carry side arms, just tasers, a truncheon and a stab vest.
Budvarakbar says
And don’t the moo-slimes know it
Champ says
Regular cops in the UK don’t carry side arms
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Seriously? How Stupid!
watling says
They also carry the government’s official guide to Muslim appeasement to ensure they give due deference to our future overlords, once the global caliphate has been established.
Don McKellar says
Evitri Payet said fellow witnesses were shouting at the suspect: “You’re not Muslim.”
This is the state we’re at with mainstream media’s deception that they feel compelled to end a story with something like that. Witnesses just saw this raving jihadi stab somebody and their reaction was “You’re not moslem!” ??? WHAT? This seems fake. Would people really jump to try and defend Islam at a point like that? Who is this person quoted? Are they a moslem trying to put a spin on it for the news story and lying?
Don McKellar says
And what the hell is going on with the sound in that video? Why is it so distorted?
mortimer says
Leftarded cultural Marxists protect their ‘pets’…the Muslim, primitives they imported to destroy Western civilization.
Leftards say that it is WESTERN CIVILIZATION that is wrong…NO…rather, WE ARE WORSE than the noble Muslim savages!!! Western countries must commit cultural and genetic suicide to atone for their UNFORGIVABLE SINS…and the sooner the better!
The mental confusion and suicidal madness of cultural Marxists defies description! They should be forced to live in Caliph al-Baghdadi’s utopic Islamic State!!!
Let’s give the cultural Marxists a one-way ticket to ISIS so they can learn what it is we MOST DEPLORE…PURE ISLAM.
mortimer says
ALL Leftards should be forced to wear Orthodox Jewish clothing and be forced to walk through Muslim no-go zones EVERY SINGLE DAY until they repent their egregious, Utopic STUPIDITY!
Leftards refuse to learn the JIHAD DOCTRINE.
Budvarakbar says
“Leftards refuse to learn the JIHAD DOCTRINE.”
Oh – they know it alright — they embrace it — in their putrid mentally disordered sh–t for brains – they think it is working to the liberal’s benefit — the stupid bastards think that the real people wil rise up and throw off the Muslims – heh heh heh — this time the dam liberals will be smashed also!
خَليفة says
It is possible some libtard leaders embrace totalitarianism, hoping that if they help instigate a regime change and or clandestine coup that they will be allowed to stay in power. Obama’s arrogance and Hilary’s scandals put them both in that category.
One can just imagine such a person saying in a state of the nation address to those still living “It was immensely tragic that so, so many lives were lost before I gained the power I needed to stop the violence. I had to do this for the people. If only I had been given these powers sooner, more loves could have been spared.”
Cicero says
This event is not too far from where an acquaintance lives. Leytonstone used to be a pleasant working class neighbourhood with beautiful Victorian houses and tree lined streets.
:
The Muslim population pressure from the London Borough of Waltham Forest to theNorth: the encroachment of the Muslim populace from the London Borough ofNewham to the East : the Muslim population invasion from the Islamic Borough of Tower Hamlets to the South – are all ensuring that the overall East of London is becoming an Islamic ghetto of humongous proportions.
Asa result why even the most dim witted and clueless non – Muslim residents in that area known and talk about the ” islamic fundamentalist s and extremist nest ” growing in yhat neighbourhood.
The ordinary non muslim Londoner is becoming increasingly frightened and angry knowing full wellthat it is only a matter of time before full scale terrorist attacks occur on Against the defenceless citizens of this mighty and beautiful city. They know that all the well publicised anti terror exercises canno prevent these peaceful moderate muslims follwing the hypnotic messages from their holy book
Krampus says
“London Borough of Newham”
*Shudder*
mortimer says
Muslim terrorists will be hitting churches at Christmas, I predict. Christians, this advisory is for you. Please arm yourselves to meet your terrorist visitors in order to save lives. Be prepared or hire armed guards.
I believe the ISIS sympathizers and copycat terrorists will hit several churches this year. It makes me sick to say that, but I will be afraid to see the news on Christmas morning!
ISIS will hit EVERY country in the coalition…many of them haven’t been hit yet, but Canada, Australia, Germany, Spain, Italy and Netherlands should expect ISIS to hit them.
Allan Mandrowski says
If they hit these countries during Christmas they will reap what they sow. Ordinary citizens will radicalise and seek vengeance against these evil people.
mortimer says
Allan wrote: “Ordinary citizens will radicalise” …
I hope not. I pray not. The police are the professionals to bring wrong-doers to justice. We must respond to Islam the right way. It is not wrong to have security. Churches should discuss how they plan to protect their congregants. Such discussions should take place at the top of the church hierarchy and plans should be in place BEFORE tragedy strikes.
Muslims hate churches, because churches teach the doctrine of the Trinity which the Koran condemns in the strongest terms, even though Mohammed clearly did not understand the Trinity AT ALL…he though Mary was part of it.
Allan should remember Jesus said, ‘BE WISE as serpents, but HARMLESS as doves.’ Christians know that is how to respond to Muslim terrorists. GET CONTINGENCY PLANS and SECURITY IN PLACE NOW! However, I don’t believe they will do it.
BlueHawK says
That exact verse came to my mother recently, and seeing how the world coddles, condones these barbarous actions and blames the victims, we have to respond as calm as possible. Especially so in public, or online. We don’t want to give these twisters of everything any potential ammunition against us.
Jay Boo says
Muslims don’t hate churches.
Obama is funding churches to take ‘refugees’ in.
Muslims will probe and do reconnaissance.
Vengeance is never a solution however it would be false to claim that it is not a deterrent. Even the threat of counter attack can be a deterrence. For example the threat of mutual assured destruction between Russia and US keeps both sides at bay.
Judi says
Almost all synagogues, community centres and Jewish schools here in the UK have “Fort Knox” like security arrangements. This is what happens when muzzrats are allowed to run amok. Thank you Tony Blair&Co!
Krampus says
Hopefully, before said terrorist lets off a single round, wouldn’t it be lovely if the people lynched the fucker and strung it up whilst forcing the cops to stay away for their own safety.
mortimer says
No, Krampus. We don’t need your fascism here. People like you were condemned at Nuremburg.
Krampus says
Fascism? For wanting to string up a jihadist hell bent on killing innocent folk??? You jest no?
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Beetlebum says
Mortimer. You just made a really bizarre comment towards krampus. Are you against lynching violent jihadists?
Christianblood says
The best protection against ISIS and other islamic terrorists are not the politically-correct, clueless and ignorant government police forces in the Western world but groups such as Mafia, Biker gangs and similar groups can offer some great protection against ISIS and other islamic terrorists because islamic terrorists and their sympathizers are REALLY SCARED of such groups. Actually a Mafia insider just said the same thing last week: Read it below: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/74380340/mafia-insider-says-mob-will-protect-new-yorkers-against-islamic-state
Ex-muslim says
C.B.
Great idea and I agree. Muslims are really afraid of any type of gangs or vigilantes and they understand that the police is ineffective and ignorant.
May be millions of Westerners have to die in the hands of muslim killers in their own countries before they finally wake up and i don’t even see this happening. The peoples and the governments of the Western world are so clueless, so ignorant and so stupid and that it is very likely that muslims will take over many Western countries in the very near future.
cynical1 says
Don’t kid yourself.
The mob and bikers do deals all the time with cartels who are every bit as bad as ISIL.
Scumbags who would sell their mother for a buck.
Christianblood says
cynical1
No one is saying the mobs and bikers are saints but no doubt in my mind that they will over a better protection than the traitorous, politically-correct robotic police in the Western world and muslim jihadists and their sympathizers are really scared of them. I believe mobs and biker gangs and similar groups are the only hope to safe people in the West from muslim jihadist killers and their sympathizers.
Budvarakbar says
Christmas – the December 25th version is on a Friday this year!
BlueHawK says
Ack, the day of prayers, mosque contacts… usually the day of more attacks. NOT good.
Jay Boo says
The only thing that has kept true Muslims at bay so far and moderate Muslims from publically instigating their brothers of nothing to do with Islam is the obvious vulnerability of mosques.
Once hell breaks loose and a mosque is hit in retaliation Muslims will be enraged and insist on a counter attack to try to intimidate against copy cat attacks.
2016 is likely to be bloody.
Jay Boo says
Muslims have already been probing church attacks.
We cannot expect any help from secular humanists because many of them will be applauding the attacks on churches.
PrayerWarrior says
Looks like the stabbinfada has come to London. And I’m being serious by saying that. The vicious stabbing attacks going on in Israel where guaranteed to spread elsewhere if they went on long enough. No doubt the San Bernardino attacks emboldened this one, even as the Paris attacks emboldened the San Bernardino attacks. The pace is picking up.
Krampus says
It’s been that way in Londonistan since the mid 90’s thanks to Labour.
Ex-muslim says
Any muslim who is following the directions of the evil islamic cult of death can be very deadly and very dangerous.and the best thing is to be on guard whenever those islam-following cultists are around you because you never know when they will suddenly attack you in a (sudden jihad syndrome) fit of an islamic anger. The sad thing is that people in the West think that islam is the same as any other religion or that islam is the religion of peace. Can you imagine the murdered coworkers in S.B organized a generous “baby shower” for the jihadist couple who murdered them several months ago. That is how anyone who is following islam can be a very dangerous evil. Personally, I don’t go an eat islamic restaurants because if they learn I am an ex-muslim they will put poison in my food or even attack me inside the restaurant so I never go there. That is how muslims can be dangerous
and given the opportunity they can do this to any infidel that is around them.
Krampus says
Everyone was shouting “you’re not Muslim”???
Yet the same people shout, Christians were Crusaders, Hitler was a Christian, Brevik was a Christian, Westbro Church members are christian terrorists, George Bush is a christian and said the word “Crusade” blah blah blah…..
Cicero says
The turkish man at the end of the report who states that witnesses to this horrific unprovoked attack on an elderly defenceless Englishman repudiated the attacker stating he is not muslim, is only practising taquiyya .
Instead of moving to protect the non – muslim from this mortally wounding assault their first instinct is to go into a hypnotic trance of denial droning on about terrorist attackers are not “true” muslims.
Muslim say one thing ( lies) to the non muslim audience and speak the truth amongst their muslim “bros”. Its the truth folks!
BC says
Hitler was not a Christian, you should read about him before you make stupid comments. He despised Christianity as weakness, though he admired the totalitarian aspects of the RC church
Krampus says
I was referring to liberals who call Hitler a christian.
I know hitler wasnt a christian.
Why was it so hard for you to completely misunderstand my post????
ms says
The shout “you are not a Muslim bro” is highlighted by the MSM, suggesting it has nothing to do with islam.
“Bro” says a lot here, a Muslim is considered a brother, even while he is committing murder.
But I gave up from Britain. The more aggressive Muslims get, the more white British defend them. I am not sure if incidents like these, or even hundred times worse, would sound an alarm loud enough to wake up Europe.
Krampus says
It’s East London slang, “Bro”, the Cockney’s of East London are all but ethnically cleansed from the area, having been forced into Essex or further. The ones who stayed have an entirely new slang and an Americanized/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Jamaican way of speaking.
Bring back the Cockney’s please.
cs says
You need to go to Dagenham to get the Brit cockney now. In Newham there are only 20% white native brits I gather.
Coastliner says
How dare you say that ‘white British defend them’? The majority of ordinary Britons loathe this cancer that has been forced upon us! Only the traitorous leftists and distorted media defend this vermin. You are obviously reading garbage put out by the mainstream.
Ex-Protestant says
I feel that the ‘left’ and ‘right’ labels are incredibly outdated and the “I am X so I think Y” mindset needs to be challenged. Economically I think like a Communist but I have no time for the political Islam which is terrorising Europe.
Human-rights campaigner Maryam Namazie is along the same lines. If you haven’t seen her talk on Islam posted on YouTube this week I urge you to see it.
Bill Maher would also fit in that bracket. He’d probably have been arrested had he spoken about Islam on British TV in the way that he did on HBO.
I can’t bring myself to vote for Jeremy Corbyn. The Conservative Party turned West-Central Scotland into an unemployment blackspot and attack the poor at every opportunity so I could never vote for them.
No politician represents me, or the tens or maybe hundreds of thousands who are like me. We have been dumped by a political system that places the block vote of religious extremists ahead of the rights of the individual to think, speak and act in a reasonable but honest manner.
The Labour, Conservative, LibDem and SNP parties will cause the rise of the far-right in Europe again, sooner rather than later. I expect the second half of the 21st Century to make the first half of the 20th look tame in comparison.
Charli Main says
Unfortunately, I believe you to be absolutely correct. The refusal of Muslims to integrate into and adapt to the society that has give them a home, will give rise to a steady increase in extremist organisations. Just how long will people put up with an alien culture, that openly declares that it their intention to destroy yours and impose their religion, culture and laws on you. ?????
Sadly, all those non-Muslim immigrants who are grateful for the chance of a new live in their host country will be swept into the coming maelstrom.
cs says
Yeah, but she is the type of person who highlights Israel as part of the problem and not part of the solution, for instance. I am fed up of this type.
TheDane says
Oh yeah! The coward dog IS a moslem alright! What nasty, evil people they are, these moslem bastards! They are a disease that is eating up Europe!
Baucent says
One thing to commend is that the British Police have already called this a terrorist attack. That’s something the US Police and FBI might learn from. If the San Bernadino Police were investigating there would be questions firstly as to whether the man was mentally ill or perhaps a disgruntled Underground worker.
Krampus says
This was a very surprising act on behalf of the UK government, unlike the FBI who are still unbelievably to this day looking for a motive for the Christmas party massacre in California.
Undaunted says
Based on lots of research done by the trainers at the “Street Survival Seminars”, attended by thousands of cops every year across the country since 1980, the best way to defeat an attacker with an edged weapon is to grab the attacker’s knife-hand at the wrist with both of your hands and hang on tight. While holding on tight; kick him, head-butt him, bite him, slam him into walls and bounce him off tables, whatever you can do to inflict pain on him ~ or her ~ until he or she drops the weapon or is unconscious or dead. If you’re watching someone do this to an attacker, you can come up behind the attacker and clang something hard off his or her head, get him or her in a nice choke-hold and take the attacker to the ground and when he or she is unconscious, restrain him or her in some way. If you look at the link below, there are a few more thoughts that could be helpful.
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2010/10/hioh-silver.html
But the deal is this if you don’t understand it already: you need to get a good pistol and train with it… unless all you’re going to do is pray. I’m ready for the pious outrage coming from those of you “prayer warriors” who leave your survival and that of your loved ones up to others with courage and resolve and a pair of balls… figuratively speaking, of course. Really, if all you’re going to do is pray and.or shiver in fright, then don’t buy a pistol. Send me the money and I’ll buy me that slick Walther PPQ 5″ I’ve been eyeing. If you do buy a pistol, that’s the one I’d recommend if you have the money: the Walther PPQ in 9mm. I prefer the 5″ barrel for added accuracy but the 4″ barrel is fine. That’s $650.00 to $700.00 plus extra mags and a shit-load of +P HP. If you can’t swing that, get the S&W Sigma in 9mm for around $350. And get extra hi-cap mags as well. You don’t need to get bigger calibers like the .40 or .45. Trust me. A +P 9mm HP is just as deadly as any of the “macho” rounds. Once you’ve made the decision and the purchase and have some good training, which isn’t all that involved or tough, then you’re ready… almost. You need to know the laws in your jurisdiction pertaining to concealed carry and justifiable homicide; at least those laws and it wouldn’t hurt to know about so-called Duty to Retreat laws in your area as well as the doctrine of Competing Harms and how it’s interpreted in your locale. I’d never recommend that someone just by a gun and then go out and “be prepared” and then “shoot to kill” anybody who represents a threat. A good long look at my blog will offer insight into all those issues.
For the edged-weapon attack we’re discussing here, if there are not police officers around and the totality of circumstances leads you to believe that if you don’t act right away with deadly force that someone will be killed by that person with the edged weapon, you can then choose (or not) to do one of these two things:
1) If the attacker has a hostage, take careful aim and shoot the attacker in the head; above the ear- or eye-line is best. When he or she falls, the hostage will probably move quickly away. You can, if you choose, approach the downed attacker and see if he or she is still alive. If the attacker is not dead and still constitutes a threat to you and/or those nearby your options are to move away and keep him or her covered with your pistol until the police arrive to take control. If the attacker again becomes a threat, shoot him or her again until he or she ceases his or her threatening actions. Or you can shoot the attacker again until threatening movement stops. Then restrain him or her.
2) If the attacker does not have a hostage but is still close enough to you and/or others to constitute a deadly threat ~ which is any distance inside 21 feet ~ then shoot the attacker in the center of mass, chest or back, usually. The training standard these days is that you shoot until the treat is stopped so that may be more than just the once-famous “double-tap”. Yes, I did say to shoot the attacker in the back if that’s the target you get. You have no duty to warn, no legal requirement to tell the attacker to put up his or her hands, drop his or her weapon and “assume the position.” None. Actually, the cops don’t have that requirement either. You can just shoot without warning, even in the back. The attacker should have thought of dying that way before he or she went on his or her little temper tantrum.
So, those are the basics. I can’t decide for you, you have to make up your own mind.
Undaunted says
Oops; I forgot to add that third option, and I’m sure there are more, which others can think and act upon, of course.
3) Run away from the attacker, etc..
abad says
At some point he UK will have to deport every Muslim on their soil.
Muslims simply do not belong in the UK.
jura says
The problem is: there have to be 2 sides for a succesful deportation:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/03/pakistan-sends-deported-migrants-back-to-greece-eu
Krampus says
Not sure how this would’ve helped the Londoners attacked? Pistols are illegal in the UK and most Londoner’s are pretty street wise and used to random acts of violence. This was a surprise attack, not much good you can do when some nutter stabs you in the back. Plus it took 5 or more cops to take this guy out and they even used a stun gun, plus they were wearing body armor and could’ve charged him but stood back.
I seriously doubt that the average civilian is gonna take out a hostage taker with a head shot or confront a fanatical knife man whilst themselves are unarmed.
Sorry, but you’ve been watching too many Hollywood movies.
Undaunted says
Yeah; I don’t know what I’m talkin’ about. It could only be the way you said.
Davegreybeard says
@Krampus
“Sorry, but you’ve been watching too many Hollywood movies.”
We do things a little differently out here in The Colonies, Krampus.
Undaunted was primarily addressing those free men and women who are fortunate enough to be able to exercise their God given right to self defense with a firearm.
Which is not you, apparently.
Krampus says
I have a ccw. I carry a firearm.
But i dont buy into his hollywood “die hard” l.
Undaunted says
Wow. You bought a gun and have a CCW. But, apparently you don’t train for that worst-case-scenario waiting up the street for you. For what, then, are you trained? And, really, what the hell good are you?
You don’t know me, nor how it is that I acquired the information I share at my blog and/or here from time to time. You’re just a smart-ass who thinks it could only be that I’ve watched too many movies.
Either man up and catch up… or shut the fuck up.
Undaunted says
DG, I just don’t believe some of these people… but I have to because the manifest themselves before my very eyes.
And, yeah; what you said.
Undaunted says
So, Krampus; a couple more thoughts for you and then I’m off to the gym for a workout.
1) Nobody who’s serious about pistol-craft calls a pistol a “firearm”. So, I imagine your “firearm” is a Brown Bess.
2) If your wife or similarly loved person is held by an attacker and you won’t act with your “firearm”, as suggested in my first post here, because you didn’t have the will or the courage to even train to save her life so you don’t have the will or the courage to actually give saving her life a shot ~ literally ~ what are you going to tell her as she twitches on the ground, bleeding out because you thought it was just cowboy bullshit to train for the attack she just suffered?
Krampus says
“Pistol craft” LOL. We never used that expression in the military.
Undaunted says
Well, we didn’t use it in the military when I served, either. So, it must have a different source and application, eh?
I’m wasting my time here. Keep your powder dry, Krumpass.
mortimer says
Robert Spencer wrote: “he ceased being Muslim the moment he did something that made Islam look bad.”
Sadly, this is what the elites want the public to think and the public is falling for it! But Muslims don’t think that. And Western elites speak for Islam, not having bothered to UNDERSTAND THE JIHAD DOCTRINE or to read the Islamic source texts. Western elites speak out of quasi-complete ignorance of the JIHAD DOCTRINE.
The teachers of Caliph Ibrahim al-Baghdadi spoke to journalists angrily defending the Muslim credentials of the leader of ISIS and by extension ISIS itself:
Caliph Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, who is the ISIS chief and the caliph of the Islamic State, is the first Islamic Studies PhD from a Muslim background who has no idea about Islam.
Al-Baghdadi, who has obtained BA, MA and PhD degrees in Islamic studies from the Islamic University in Baghdad, has been condemned as a person who knows nothing about Islam, and as the head of an organization that has nothing to do with Islam.
The professors from the Islamic University of Baghdad, however, do not agree. They taught the caliph and believe his credentials and doctrines are sound.
“If a person who has a PhD in Islamic studies and does nothing but study the Islamic scriptures knows nothing about Islam, then who does?” questioned al-Baghdadi’s main teacher from the Islamic University, preferring to remain anonymous since the fatwa against ISIS and its chief puts his reputation into jeopardy.
“The wine-sipping Muslims, those hedonistic adulterers will tell the world what true Islam is? Obama and Cameron know more about Islam than the faculty of Islamic studies at the Islamic University in Baghdad?” the professor bellowed with rage, while talking to a journalist.
Another professor who had taught al-Baghdadi in BA said off the record that the Isis caliph was an ardent student.
“He had this obsession with Islamic studies. I used to tell him to go out and have some fun sometimes. But his idea of fun wasn’t too human friendly,” the professor said. “In any case he was a top student. One of the best I’ve ever had. Had the entire syllabus on his finger tips – to be honest, he knew more about Islamic studies than most of the professors.”
“While you can question whether they are humans or not, there is no doubt that ISIS, including Abu Bakr (al Baghdadi), are indeed bona fide Muslims,” concluded the ISIS caliph’s PhD professor.
jura says
Caused by Climate Change.
No Fear says
The cops in the UK are not allowed to carry guns. What a shame. A single shot would have dealt with this problem, whether the stabber was a Mohammedan or not.
Robert_K says
Reply to: Perhaps even the Beeb are waking up to the fact that we are at war with Islam…
From the BBC’s coverage I’m led to believe that we are perhaps not at war with Islam but with the BBC.
Charli Main says
No–no—no he wasn´t Muslim, HE WAS ASIAN !!!!!!!!!!
the renegade says
what is ironical is that after every jihadi attack it is the muslims that end up getting more protection and also sympathy against greasy islamophobes like us..
arab oil money seems to have purchased all the politicians in the west particularly those affiliated to military industrial complex….
divide and conquer. Now let the british try fighting this in their own back yards.
Stephandian says
What an obnoxious evil cult these people follow. Brainwashed by their parents from birth. I trust not a one of them – they have never given me a reason to do so. They are so arrogant they believe we will submit to their barbaric belief system.
Ian Hill says
Corbyn – Livingstone and others encouraged this by providing an “excuse/reason” for such atrocities.
Beetlebum says
Corbyn’s finsbury park address reminded me of George Galloway.
Marty says
As Corbyn revels in his victory at a by election, won with corrupt postal voting,
he celebrates it in the best possible way.
“Jeremy Corbyn took part in a vigil outside a Finsbury Park mosque last night following an attempted arson attack in which a petrol bomb was thrown over its gates.”
That many mosques have not ben destroyed in the UK, shows how passive the
Brits have become.
I don’t encourage criminal violence, but any Leftist would encourage the burning
of churches if Pakistan were subject to massive white British colonisation.
We need a new Churchill.
BC says
Why are US commentators talking about machete. I have watched the videos and no machete was in evidence, I have owned machetes I know wht they look like.Neither the BBC or the Independent has mentioned a machete
DeMolay says
This story became acceptable for picaro on once the Twitter hashtag #youaintnomuslim appeared and all the Marxist left jumped on it. The focus and narrative of the story shifted. How some random apologist shouting that makes any difference is beyond me. London’s East End has been turned into a combined Marxist left / Islamic hell hole.
DeMolay says
*publication
BC says
BTW the identity of the attacker has not been given out so we do not know if he is in fact a Muslim. He might be one of those who objects to the UK being involved in attacking IS.
Jumping to conclusions is not worthy of you Robert
ArcherVonBehren says
This makes no sense at all…everyone knows islam is a religion of peace. I think what actually happened is he was filing his nails, he tripped and accidentally slashed a few people as he fell. The ranting about Syria must have been down to a misunderstanding due to his foreign accent. The police tazered him because they where Islamaphobic bigots. That makes far more sense than him being a terrorist.
Lol. You gotta love it really because even though it is plain as day to the man on the street the media will spin this to shift the blame away from Islam we all know that the problem really is ISLAM.
Beetlebum says
And the comment “youre not a muslim bro” is being treated as a religious hate crime
Sergio says
He shouted: “This is for mother Syria”. The UK hates Christianity. Now they can enjoy Islam.
Lioness says
Solution: bring more Muslim refugees into the UK, after all this terror attack had nothing to do with… you know what.
Myxlplik says
Oh, hey everyone it’s another wild Mohammedan, we should import more. Then we’ll be the Multicultural paradise we always dreamed of.
DP111 says
Muslim immigrants are the most unique immigrants in the world.
No immigrants anywhere anytime, are so desperate to get into Christian countries, as they are. They will beg, cheat, forge, hike over mountains, cross dangrous seas, and barge through barbed wire, to get into the country, knowing full well that the country they want to get into, does not want them. They have no shame or sense of personal honour.
Once inside using lies and crookedness – they always lose their passports but never their iphones, they start to cook up plots to destroy the country that gave them sanctuary – bombs, knifings and bullets. Or Benefit fraud Jihad.
Charli Main says
That’s because they are not refugees or asylum seekers. They are INVADERS on Hijra, attacking the target country and like all invaders, they will NEVER stop coming until they win or are driven out.
Angemon says
I’m going to go on a limb here and say the guy was not one of Assad’s followers but someone whose allegiance lies with the islamic state.
Margaret Lauren says
Hardly a “stabbing”–it was a vicious hacking with a horrendous weapon–a machete, an obvious attempt at that jihad favorite, beheading. Even in apprehending this walking rubbish law enforcement pulled punches that put their & other citizens’ lives in danger–tasering. Let’s see if the courts still have enough sanity to put this criminal away forever.
? says
One said the victim was an “elderly” man with a younger female family member while another said the man had a long knife, which looked like a machete.
Always attacking the ones who can’t defend themselves are Muslims….
Bosch Fawstin says
If the first thing that comes to your mind as an innocent human being’s neck is slashed is “You ain’t no Muslim, bruv”, then you ain’t no human, bruv.