This is being greeted with the usual howls of outrage and victimhood. Trump’s a racist. Trump’s a Nazi. Trump’s a bigoted Islamophobe.
I am no fan of Trump, but is what he said here really so outrageous? No one has some natural right to enter the U.S. Trump is suggesting a temporary measure, and in view of the intelligence failures involved in Tashfeen Malik’s passing background checks from both the FBI and DHS, and the stated plan of the Islamic State (ISIS) to embed jihadis among the refugees, and the fact that two of the Paris jihadis were recent arrivals into Europe as refugees, it is prudent to call a halt and try to devise some genuinely effective vetting measures — although that will be impossible as long as Obama’s policy of denying the reality of jihad continues.
Must our commitment to “multiculturalism” and “diversity” override any concern for national security? Are our elected officials so afraid of being charged with “racism” and “bigotry” that they will remain committed to a program that very likely will result in the entry of more jihad killers into the U.S.? How many Americans must be killed before we consider the security aspects of immigration and the refugee crisis?
Trump’s recommendation is unworkable in practice, but unless some reliable way can be discovered to discern jihadis trying to enter the country, the entry of Muslims into the U.S. will continue to provide an opportunity for jihadis to enter. The Islamic State has explicitly instructed its operatives entering the US to appear “moderate” — don’t wear a caftan, don’t carry a Qur’an, don’t wear a beard, don’t go to mosque. Even if there were any sanity in the Administration’s approach to this threat, which there isn’t, the efforts of ISIS members to conceal their allegiances and intentions make vetting well-nigh impossible.
Those who are saying that this is a religious freedom issue are missing the point, probably deliberately. The problem is not with the religious aspects of Islam, but with the political, supremacist and authoritarian aspects of Islamic law. I will never support Trump for President, even were he to knock on my door, get on one knee, and ask for my vote. I could never support a candidate who advocates kowtowing to violent intimidation and submitting to the Islamic supremacist war against the freedom of speech, as he did after the jihad attack on our event in Garland, Texas. But the national security aspects of Muslim immigration should be considered, and those who are calling Trump a Nazi tonight should kindly think of some alternate plan to deal with those aspects.
“Trump: Ban all Muslim travel to U.S.,” by Jeremy Diamond, CNN, December 7, 2015:
(CNN)Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday for barring all Muslims from entering the United States.
“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on,” a campaign press release said.
Trump, who has previously called for surveillance against mosques and said he was open to establishing a database for all Muslims living in the U.S., made his latest controversial call in a news release. His message comes in the wake of a deadly mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, by suspected ISIS sympathizers and the day after President Barack Obama asked the country not to “turn against one another” out of fear.
Trump’s comments are likely to roil the Republican presidential race, forcing many of his opponents for the nomination to engage in a debate over whether there should be a religious test to enter America.
But his proposal was met with enthusiasm by many of his supporters, who showed their approval via social media as well as at his rally on Monday night.
“I think that we should definitely disallow any Muslims from coming in. Any of them. The reason is simple: we can’t identify what their attitude is,” said 75-year-old Charlie Marzka of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
Moreover, the Muslim travel ban will likely do little to dent Trump’s own popularity among Republican primary voters. The billionaire businessman has dominated the GOP contest for months despite repeated controversies that would likely sink other White House hopefuls.
“Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine,” Trump said in a statement. “Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life.”
Trump’s campaign added in the release that such a ban should remain in effect “until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”
The release pointed to an online poll from the controversial Center for Security Policy, which claimed that a quarter of Muslims living in the U.S. believe violence against Americans is justified as part of a global jihadist campaign. Critics have questioned the reliability of the organization’s information. It also pointed to a Pew Research poll, which the campaign declined to identify, which the campaign claimed points to “great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population.”…

Isabellathecrusader says
You know, I was thinking about why CAIR hasn’t gone after Trump in court yet and then I realized, he can afford for them to try and shake him down because he has more money than Nihad and Dougie will ever see in their lifetime. But that didn’t stop Nihad from whining about “how wrong he bin’ done”. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/cair-trumps-remarks-on-muslims-outrageous-581835331766
Tell someone who CAIRs.
wildjew says
They are afraid of Trump. I don’t think it is about money.
dlbrand says
wildjew said: “They are afraid of Trump. I don’t think it is about money.”
Indeed, wildjew–They fear both his ability and his courage to recognize facts when he sees them; state those facts, irrespective of the absence of Political correctness in so doing.
Isabellathecrusader says
Nobody complained about keeping Nazis out of America during WWII. But then I guess political correctness lived in Germany at that time.
Leonidas says
TO DEFEAT ISLAM:
1)Demand the LIBERATION OF MUSLIM WOMEN from muslim male bondage imposed by the Koran ,(k 4:34,K2:223),from forced child marriages,wife beating (k4:34)and from the Burka( K 24:31,K33:59-mobile cloth prisons that banish females from society)!Ban clitorectomies, nose mutilations, death by stoning and apply the death penalty for “honor killing”of women(Bukhari2,23,413) !Grant to muslim women divorce and children custody and support, when they are abused by their muslim husbands !Demand Respect,Equality ,Education , Integration and Human Rights to ALL WOMEN IN in ALL Muslim lands ,which they deserve ,as the women gave birth and nursed all the Humans2)PROTECT THE APOSTATES from Islam,the “BLASPHEMERS” of Islam, HYPOCRITESand ADULTERERS FROM DEATH ,commanded by the Koran (K 4:83 ,Bukhari 9.84.57,58-52:260) and punish all muslim Countries that implement these barbaric islamic laws!3)DISCREDIT THE KORAN,as a distorted copy of the Old Testament(mainly Deuteronomy,book of Enoch-on description of Hell-,Βοok of Thomas , Talmud etc)written in Arabic not by Allah before Eternity (K 85:22k 10:37),as the muslims are taught to believe,but by Muhammad to suit his desires( per wife Aisha) is ,then after his death ,written down by his scribe Zaid and rearranged arbitrarily in chapters from longer to shorter ones on order by the first Caliph(successor)!The Koran is full of repetitions,ambiguities,lies,contradictions,but the more recent ,longer ~70%violent Medina part, abrogates the earlier, shorter ~30% merciful Mecca part(K 2:106, Buhari)! It commands violence(K 48:29)and it is totally void of Morality and Love !It accuses Jews and Christians of heresy, of “having strayed from the right path” (K2:79,K3:64-82K90:6,K3:32)deserving death(k2:191,K8:7,k9:5,9:29,9:123)!. It commands the muslims to ritualistically pray five times daily cursing the Infidels (Google: translation of Muslim daily prayer)and never to leave islam by killing the Apostates and those who criticize the Koran or Muhammad (k5:33-34)and never to be friends with Jews(k5:60)Christians,Infidels (k 2:109,3:28,5:51,5:57)for they may tempt them to leave Islam and to terrorize (K8:12)and kill the Infidels(k9:5) ,if they refuse to convert to islam or pay tax = jizya(K 9:29) as dhimmies(semi slaves)!The Koran commands ,that wives must be beaten for disobedience (k 4:34)and that ALL WOMEN are inferior to males (k 4:34,2:223)and are destined to go to Hell(unless their husbands say in the Last Day that they are.. pleased with them!).Women must never tempt men by showing their curves or skin,so the women of the orthodox muslims are forced always to hide and wear full body loose clothes like mobile prisons ,the Burkas and Nikabs (K 4:34),when outside their house ,even in the stifling summer heat!The Medina Koran ,which imposes polygyny, misogyny and preaches hate against Jews,Christians,infidels and intolerance and terror against all other Religions ,is incompatible with our Freedoms,Human Rights, Gender Equality,Democracy and Constitution and must be banned by the US Supreme Court and the UN worldwide from the Mosques ,as a HATE BOOK!4)DENOUNCE MUHAMMAD ,as according to contemporary witnesses in the “Hadith”and ” Sira”,he was a mass murderer,torturer,pedophile ( wife Aisha was 9 years old, he was licking the penis of his toddler grandson Hasan per Bukhari witnesses),rapist,liar, plunderer ,slave trader and a terrorist (k4:56). He imposed Islam by the sword ,getting 1/5 of the booty from all raids for himself,and added several verses in the Koran to suit his sexual desires (per wife Aisha). He decapitated the captive ~800 men of the jewish Qurayza tribe ,raped the same night Safiya the wife of the slain jewish chief,enslaved the surviving women and children and exiled the other two jewish tribes and the Christians from Arabia confiscating their property,because they refused to convert to Islam. He ordered jihad for World Conquest, that still continues !.Therefore ,Muhammad ,”The Perfect Man of Islam”(K 33:21,68:4)was a brutal , bloodthirsty and savage warlord, who deserves no reverence ,but our stern condemnation and revulsion for his crimes shaming ALL muslims ,who have him as an example!
5-DENOUNCE ORTHODOX ISLAM as a violent ,totalitarian ,misogynistic , genocidal,barbaric ,political ideology of Arab male supremacism , disguised as a religion, incompatible with our Freedoms, Gender Equality ,Human Rights and Democracy, that fights by jihad and soft jihad to subjugate the entire world !
6-STOP MUSLIM IMMIGRATION TO NON MUSLIM COUNTRIES!
When political correctness is abandoned and these facts are discussed openly daily and become widely known ,millions of muslims especially WOMEN ,with our support ,will ABANDON ISLAM to join Humanity and the miserable ,barbaric empire of Islam with its Jihad will implode and collapse the way the oppressive Soviet Union did in 1989!
wildjew says
If Trump were consistent on Islam, I would be a Trump supporter but he is not consistent.
I am looking for leadership and consistency from Trump. Banning Muslims from immigrating to U.S., great! Negotiating with Islamic savages whether it be Iranian Islamic savages (remember Trump said he would have negotiated “a better deal” with the murderous, criminal, apocalyptic Iranian regime?) or with so-called “Palestinian” savages is inconsistent. It is hypocritical. Either Trump believes Islam is at war with us or he doesn’t. BTW, Mr. Trump said he saw thousands of Muslims celebrating 9/11. He probably saw images of “Palestinians” celebrating in Ramallah, Gaza, etc.
gravenimage says
Wildjew wrote:
If Trump were consistent on Islam, I would be a Trump supporter but he is not consistent.
………………………
Sadly, this is quite true, Wildjew. Here’s the other Trump story on Jihad Watch today:
Trump: “‘Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.’ These are foolish people.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/12/trump-oh-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-speech-these-are-foolish-people
dumbledoresarmy says
looks to me like all the American jihadwatchers here present need to contact the man.
Briefly politely and in very plain language state where you agree with him, and where you *disagree*, and why.
State that he must uphold freedom of speech – that is, the freedom to criticise, question, reject and yes, *mock* and *make fun of* Islam (exactly like any other set of ideas) – and that you would support a ban on all further entry of identifiable Muslims into the USA because…Got Muslims? – Got Jihad, and you’re *tired* of playing Muslim Roulette (“Will this one or that one Go Jihad?”
Give it a go.
Because this Enfant Terrible *has* at least broached the possibility of a self-defensive action – **ending Muslim immigration** – that others, for example the redoubtable and erudite Hugh Fitzgerald – have been proposing here for YEARS. He’s the first politician type to publicly float the idea. Don’t let that idea drop out of the public eye. Keep it there. Let him know that lots of people think *that* idea is a goer, and then some.
No matter what else happens, **the idea is now out there**, and people are talking about it. Make sure *you* talk about it.
Wellington says
Trump is eminently correct here but this will have liberals in hysterics and RINOs aplenty denouncing him.
Let the game begin. Release the hounds. A pure viewing pleasure indeed.
jihad3tracker says
Hello again Wellington —
At this very moment I hear the released hounds bounding over my vast estate’s moors — alarming the livestock, waking drunk gamekeepers abed with libertine wenches.
It is a pity that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes’ creator, is not alive to pen a new episode about our present events, appropriately titled “The Fall Of Foreign Enemy”.
Wellington says
Sir Arthur would be most welcome right now, jihad3tracker.
Pig Jizya says
I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets a nice spike in his poll numbers. We’ll see.
Pig Jizya says
I think there is an enormous amount of people (like us) who are much less visible and vocal then us who are sick and tired of the Obama Islamization of America. The pendulum had swung so far into delusion and denial/appeasement of the Islamic threat that Trump’s comments seem on the surface more “outrageous” then they might have in times when sanity had prevailed. For large numbers of people this serves as a welcome thrust of the pendulum back in the other direction.
Like I said I think we will see a large bump in the polls and perhaps this guarantees Trump the nomination. The RINOs squawking against him are most certainly all receiving monies from the Muslim Gulf States. This move by Trump outs that Muslim financial support and further solidifies that he alone is the clear choice for real change.
Wellington says
A spike in the polls? Yes, I agree with you, PJ. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. The net effect of Trump’s campaign is to demonstrate just how far so many common folks really are cogently and viscerally removed from all the establishment figures out there.
Jack Diamond says
My favorite reaction: “Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, in a signed message, tweeted, “This is reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive. @RealDonaldTrump, you don’t get it. This makes us less safe. -H”
This makes us less safe. Hill-arious.
Jack Diamond says
runner-ups– Chris Christie: “This is the kind of thing that people say when they have no experience and don’t know what they are talking about. We do not need to resort to that type of activity nor should we,” Christie said on the Michael Medved radio show. “What we need to do is to increase our intelligence activities. We need to cooperate with peaceful Muslim Americans who want to give us intelligence against those who are radicalized.”
former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush tweeted that Trump is “unhinged.”
Obama’s deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes reacted to Trump’s call Monday on CNN, calling it “totally contrary to our values as Americans” and pointed to the Bill of Rights’ protection of freedom of religion and pointing to the “extraordinary contributions” Muslim Americans have made to the U.S.
“But it’s also contrary to our security,” Rhodes told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on “The Situation Room.” “The fact of the matter is ISIL wants to frame this as a war between the United States and Islam, and if we look like we’re applying religious tests to who comes into this country, we’re sending a message that essentially we’re embracing that frame and that is going to make it very difficult to partner with Muslim communities here in the United States and around the world to prevent the scourge of radicalization that we should be focused on.”
–Partnering with Muslim communities here and around the world to prevent radicalization is working so well. Our security measures and intelligence activities have failed us. Keep the damned killers and plotters out, this makes us more safe. Islam does not belong in America (despite the ‘extraordinary contributions’ Muslims have made to it–from 9/11 on down).
dlbrand says
Yes, Indeed, JD.
Excellent post (as I noted elsewhere).
I stand with Trump.
blitz2b says
@JD… “(despite the ‘extraordinary contributions’ Muslims have made to it–from 9/11 on down)”
I’d say the contribution of Muslims to America is earth shattering…. Literally! I mean their contribution tho alter the New York skyline was tremendous…. Wouldn’t you say…. Have Americans forgotten?
It seems that every time there is an atrocity committed by a Muslim on the name of Islam, the slate is wiped clean and they are given yet another chance until the next disaster for Allah, then rinse and repeat, and rinse and repeat…
dlbrand says
blitz2b said: “…. New York skyline …. Have Americans forgotten?
It seems that every time there is an atrocity committed by a Muslim on the name of Islam, the slate is wiped clean and they are given yet another chance until the next disaster for Allah, then rinse and repeat, and rinse and repeat…”
Well stated, my friend, blitz2b.
Therefore, as I have stated elsewhere here, choose your Candidate. Throw-in all your full support behind him or her.
And in so doing, unless, that Candidate is Trump or someone who agrees with him on this issue, you will throw-in in full support of the above stated next and following “rise and repeat” Muslim-friendly opportunities, “until the next disaster for Allah, then rinse and repeat, and rinse and repeat…”
Lee says
Well said. Clinton is so blinded by her mad ideology she doesn’t realize she’s merely confirming Trump’s point. In admitting “This makes us less safe” she’s saying any perceived criticism or concern about Islam or Muslims will see yet more jihadi activity from them, with attempts at mass-murders, bombings etc.
Naturally, a group of people who turn to massacres of civilians when their feelings are hurt cannot be admitted to *any* civilized country.
Jay Boo says
Well said
dlbrand says
Roger that.
ThisObamaNation says
Common sense is uncommon. Watch people condemn Trump for saying what we have all been thinking but haven’t had the guts to suggest. Of course all Muslim immigration should come to a screeching halt. Muslims can’t be trusted and they can’t be vetted. Muslims pose a grave danger to the public safety and our National Security. I will go one step further and advocate that the Muslims already in this country should be unapologetically deported or placed under surveillance.
dlbrand says
ThisObamaNation said: “Common sense is uncommon. Watch people condemn Trump for saying what we have all been thinking but haven’t had the guts to suggest.”
Yup, in a word.
As I stated above, I stand with Trump.
roger Woodhouse says
Trump of course is right.It will happen here in the UK eventually but only after thousands of innocent people are killed.At the moment though political correctness rules.The tide is changing.France is moving towards such action.The British are as usual slow to react.The left still dominate the narrative.
Aardvark says
JD said “I will go one step further and advocate that the Muslims already in this country should be unapologetically deported or placed under surveillance.”
The cheap and more effective option is deportation – surveillance would be expensive and unreliable. But this is the next logical step after stopping the influx. I would like to see ALL civilised Western countries take these two vital steps.
The alternative is unthinkable.
dlbrand says
Amen, Aardvark. Well stated.
Everyone Else says
Good for Trump! The hatred in Islam has to be confronted. Robert, please give his thinking time to evolve.
underbed cat says
I agree, with each comment Donald Trump is letting slip comments that he is aware that jihad is islam based and so is islamic terrorism..this has to be said that is what we know,….yes, I do think he knows.
And the question or comment I would love Trump to ask his critiics on CNN , OK Chris, Coumo ,what do you know about islam and sharia.? You will get that it is peaceful and not all muslims act I would guess would be the standard comment.,.. Does the interviewer not know about permissiible lying or misdirection..to spread islam because that is found in the doctrine….it is the devout muslim who is a jihadi, you call it radicalized, muslims call it devout.
dlbrand says
“Good for Trump! The hatred in Islam has to be confronted. ”
Yes, indeed, Everyone Else.
So too the reason and source of that hatred–Book of Allah, sunnah of the “prophet”.
Vadim says
it is not racism or discrimination, it is called self-preservation instinct
dlbrand says
Vadim said: “it is not racism or discrimination, it is called self-preservation instinct.”
Which, of course, Vadim, is “racism or discrimination” of the most pitiful, pathetic, and petty kind.
John Johness says
His statements are going to force the issue. The liberals will have to make a statement of some kind. This will trap them to a recorded public opinion. They should think very carefully – but of course they wont. That is the beauty of the chattering class. Then here will be another massacre.
Islamists will have plenty more attacks as – I assume from their writing – they don’t actually care about all this press rigmarole, as it is all in the Koran and foretold – “maktub” as they use to tell me.
dlbrand says
“The liberals will have to make a statement of some kind. This will trap them to a recorded public opinion.”
And so too, the Republicans.
vlparker says
Trump said we should ban muslim immigration to the US until we find out what is going on. I disagree with him on two counts. First of all, we already know what is going on. It is called jihad. If he hasn’t figured that out by now he is obtuse, just like 99% of the Washington insiders. Secondly, muslim immigration should be halted in perpetuity. As Robert stated, it is the political aspect of islam that is the problem. It is a subversive ideology that cannot coexist with the US Constitution. So we would not really be banning people on religious grounds, we would be banning them on grounds of sedition. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Why is that so hard for Ted Cruz to understand? I have problems with all of the candidates, major problems with most of them. Most of them are unworthy of the legacy of freedom they have inherited from the Founding Fathers. They would sell out this country in a heartbeat. But even the ones that seem to get islam up to a point still can’t see the whole picture. ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood have the same goals, just different tactics and time frames. They need to stop focusing totally on ISIS and focus on islam and sharia.
Michael Copeland says
“I am a traitor to America because my religion requires me to be.”
Samir Khan,
US citizen, Al Qaeda member, formerly of North Carolina and New York City.
See “Sedition” at LibertyGB:
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6244-sedition
dlbrand says
Indeed.
Still we refuse to believe it–as was so with Ali Muhammad and Nidal Hasan, so it is with this good Muslim’s assertion: it dun’t mean diddly!–we refuse to let go our cling to our “inflatable” imaginary Muslim “ally and friend” doll.
don vito says
Mega Kudos
Rob says
Have just abandoned BBC World feeling nauseous.
The front man Adnan Nawaz (no prizes) was almost foaming about Trump and his go to expert was the spokesman for CAIR.
Really you couldn’t make this stuff up.
26 miles across the Channel is France, where they have just started a programme of shutting Mosques.
Where’s the outrage about that BBC?
What politicians, spinners and established new outlets don’t get is that joe public is privy to a host of information from multiple sources and makes a much more informed decision about world events.
Also by ignoring the horrendous problems caused by open border migration the powers can’t be surprised that across Europe the right is making a resurgence. .
mortimer says
At least one Muslim in six is a terrorist sympathizer. This should alarm every country. But how do you find the sympathizer? It would take lie detector tests to find them because they cannot be spotted by the eye and even their closest relatives and spouses cannot detect JIHAD-TERRORISM in them…or so they tell us after each tragedy. (“I’M SO SHOCKED!”, they say.)
We must start deprogramming Muslims out of Islam, since its source texts preach a war of extermination and genocide against non-believers. This sort of bigotry has no place in the modern world, because we have nuclear weapons and a GREAT JIHAD could lead to total annihilation.
Islam is too dangerous. It’s nitroglycerine.
dlbrand says
Therefore, yet another Sahih hadith tells us, the Messenger of Allah said, “I am Muhammad and I am Ahmad … I am the gatherer at whose feet mankind will be gathered.”
(Sahih Muslim, By Imam Muslim, Rendered in English by ‘Abdul Hamid Siddiqi, Islamic Book Service, Fourth Edition, 2005, Vol. IV. Book of Pertaining to the Excellent Qualities of the Holy Prophet [May Peace be upon him] and His Companions, P. 64,65, #2354.)
Therefore, Sahih hadith likewise tells us, Allah’s Messenger said, “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people till they testify that La ilaha illallah wa anna Muhammad-ar-Rasul-Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.)”
(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Translated by: Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Darussalam, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, 1997, Vol. 1, Book of Belief, p. 66, # 25.)
Tafsir al-Qurtubi provides, “…The Prophet, may Allah bless and grant him peace…, he said, ‘Take your practices from me.’”
(Tafsir Al-Qurtubi, Classical Commentary of the Holy Qur’an, Translated by Aisha Bewley, Vol. I, Dar Al-Taqwa, Ltd. 2003; P.405.)
And added to the above, this:
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
We must start deprogramming Muslims out of Islam…
……………………
Mortimer, you say this all the time, but have *never* explained how you think this would work. Why would pious Muslims listen to the “filthy Infidels”?
Mathew Solo says
This is I found…A Pew Research Center survey conducted in 2014
“According to our best estimate, Muslims make up just less than 1% of the U.S. adult population.
That survey also found that a majority of U.S. Muslims (63%) are immigrants.
Nearly all Muslims in Afghanistan (99%) and most in Iraq (91%) and Pakistan (84%) support sharia law as official law. But in some other countries, especially in Eastern Europe and Central Asia – including Turkey (12%), Kazakhstan (10%) and Azerbaijan (8%) – relatively few favor the implementation of sharia law.
Roughly seven-in-ten U.S. Muslims (69%) say religion is very important in their lives. Virtually all (96%) say they believe in God, nearly two-thirds (65%) report praying at least daily and nearly half (47%) say they attend religious services at least weekly. By all of these traditional measures, Muslims in the U.S. are roughly as religious as U.S. Christians, although they are less religious than Muslims in many other nations.
When it comes to political and social views, Muslims are far more likely to identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party (70%) than the Republican Party (11%) and to say they prefer a bigger government providing more services (68%) over a smaller government providing fewer services (21%).
A Pew Research Center survey conducted in 2014 asked Americans to rate members of eight religious groups on a “feeling thermometer” from 0 to 100, where 0 reflects the coldest, most negative possible rating and 100 the warmest, most positive rating. Overall, Americans rated Muslims rather coolly – an average of 40, which was comparable to the average rating they gave atheists (41). Americans view the six other religious groups mentioned in the survey (Jews, Catholics, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and Mormons) more warmly.
Republicans and those who lean toward the Republican Party gave Muslims an average rating of 33, considerably cooler than Democrats’ rating toward Muslims (47). Republicans also are more likely than Democrats to say they are very concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism in the world and to say that Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence among its believers”
Michael Copeland says
The surveys are interesting and quite informative, but they do not affect Islam.
Islam is not defined by surveys, or by what “the vast majority of muslims” feel.
Islam is defined by its source texts. They are not subject to polls.
dlbrand says
Well said, Coup —“Islam is defined by its source texts.”
dajjal says
Look up my profile on Disqus and follow me. See where I have been debatng Sven The Bold, poleaxing him with the fatal facts repeatedly and how he constantly rejects them. Sven, like most LibTards, has very effective fact shields, impervious to penetration.
They can not comprehend, even consider the fact that Islam is defined by Qur’an and exemplified by sunnah.
Aardvark says
“they prefer a bigger government providing more services”
Yeah. More benefits! I can see why mohammedans would prefer that.
John Johness says
So the responses from various Muslim leaders ( although every Sunni is a leader) are a study in logical fallacies:
1.”But there are 1.7 billion Muslim people in the world. If we were all bad, then the world would be uninhabitable.”
2. “Let the U.S. take guns more seriously and ban them.”
3. “play into the Islamic State group’s hands by alienating Muslims”
4. “to suggest that Muslims shouldn’t be allowed in America is quite ridiculous.”
5. “This is an attack on religious freedom”
6. “When Muslim people go to America, we actually contribute to the country’s GDP.”
This is courtesy of the Washington Post survey of Islamic heavies around the world. The common thread is that not one of these leaders actually discuses or refuted Trump’s logic. viz we can’t tell the Islamist loonies from the other Muslims.
They can’t refute it and they can not see any reason to. The truth is the Qur’an and everything else is just politics.
This is the true power of the USA and the West – the ability to openly discuss facts. Islam will never get that.
Jon says
That’s why Trump’s got the runs on the board these days.
Attacking Islam and denying entry to Muslims is not anti-religious at all. Islam is no longer a religion pure and simple, if it ever was. It’s been shown to be a political ideology and that’s what Trump is addressing.
Savvy Kafir says
Vetting is impossible. And we have no obligation to allow people who hold an enemy ideology to live among us — in the U.S., in Europe, or anywhere in the civilized world.
Alex says
That’s a good idea by Trump but how do you enforce it? Some muslims are converts and having a middle eastern name doesn’t make you a muslim (example: christians and druze).
A religious test, maybe?
Jaladhi says
But I bet you can’t find a middle eastern Christian or Jew having Mohammad or similar in his name. So starting with a Muslim sounding name is a good first step!
Michael Copeland says
“Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine” – Trump.
Allen West explains: “they are doing exactly what this book says”.
“Between us and you animosity and hatred forever” Koran 60:4 (part of Islamic law).
See “Islam Instructs Hatred: Muslims Speak” at LibertyGB:
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5968-islam-instructs-hatred-muslims-speak
dlbrand says
Indeed.
So too: http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2015/12/except-for-their-different-religions_5.html
dajjal says
Noter my bullet list of Isdamnic commands in my reply to the Trump bashers. Their accursed creed is so foul, so inimical to liberty that it can not and must not be tolerated. Islam is the nearest analog to vampirism. Stake it!
Felix Quigley says
Robert says it is not personal. However on Lou Dobbs Pamela diverted from this historical statement by Trump. This is a problem. It is absurd to say Trump is against free speech. It is his essence.
Katowice says
His own personal free speech may be his essence, but the ability for western society to engage in free inquiry is clearly not a principle Trump takes seriously, or at all respects. That’s a problem.
gravenimage says
Felix Quigley wrote:
It is absurd to say Trump is against free speech. It is his essence.
………………………
Only when it comes to his own freedom of speech–not when it comes to others’, or when it comes to defending our right to freedom of speech:
Trump: “‘Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.’ These are foolish people.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/12/trump-oh-freedom-of-speech-freedom-of-speech-these-are-foolish-people
Carl says
This Trump bashing has to stop!
You need to decide whether you are going to get behind the ONLY candidate doing anything about Islam. The ONLY candidate who is DESTROYING political correctness and giving America back its free speech. Or whether you are a traitor to your own cause who will stand by and let the Islamists take over.
Trump spoke out against Sharia law in this speech. He made it clear that he is the only one addressing the Sharia law issue. He pointed out what percentage of Muslims want to impose Sharia law. He (mostly) gets it and he is prepared to take a stand. You will never find a better candidate.
Michael Copeland says
“What percentage of Muslims want to impose Sharia law” is, alas, a distraction. It nourishes hope that Western culture may exercise a beneficial influence. Not so.
Islam has rules: they are called “the Sharia”. Fouad Belkacem of Sharia4Begium explained:
“Sharia is Islam, and Islam is Sharia. They are the same.”
Choice over “wanting” Sharia is not available: the Koran (part of Islamic law) makes it clear:
“It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should have any choice about their affair.” 33:36
Sharia is to be obeyed even if the muslim hates it:
“Fighting is ordained for you, though it is repugnant to you;” 2:216
Revered scholar Maududi expresses it in his ideal Islamic state:
“In such a state no one can regard any field of his affairs as personal and private. Considered from this aspect the Islamic state bears a kind of resemblance to the Fascist and Communist states.”
So, thanks for the interesting percentage material, but there is no mileage in it.
Islam is not defined by percentages: it is defined only by its source texts.
We must hope Trump can get this, or have someone explain it to him.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Dr Ben Carson MD should address Sharia too. He had the courage to talk about limits of split loyalty, so why no this?
dlbrand says
Well said, Carl.
Jaladhi says
When Muslims can’t live peacefully in any country they migrate to, this is the response long time overdue!! Trump did it and he is being demonized as usual but it is ringing a bell with the “silent majority” of US citizens!!
One has to ask all these idiots condemning Trump – show us a country where Muslims have gone and live peacefully without causing problems for the original inhabitants of the country? I bet they can’t name one but several where they are creating mayhem – USA, UK, Europe, Australia, NZ, India, Thailand …. a long list!!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
It had to come to this, sooner or later there had to be serious questions about Moslems. But Trump is alone on this one, the only politico talking sense. This morning Rudy Guiliani made a false statement, asserting that there is no reasonable basis for criticizing Islam, most are peaceful and should be appreciated. Yet there *is* a reasonable basis for not liking Islam and Moslems, and it stems not from a religion test but a belief system test. For example, I dislike anybody who believes I can be killed, imprisoned or subjugated for the sin of not being a Moslem. I also dislike anybody who thinks a woman is half a man, and I dislike anybody who prefers to have Sharia law in this country. Equality before the law. The battle lines were drawn when the Attorney General threatened criminal prosecution for anybody who criticizes Islam, when it is the most criticizable of all belief systems.
Also, where is it written that we can’t be selective on who we let in? What do we owe anybody from Syria, Iraq, Pakistan or the rest? We don’t owe them anything. So let the fake vetting begin. When the next mass murder hits, the politesse will fade away, and we’ll be left to figure out to do with the Moslems we’re stuck with now. One is too many if you accept the principle of law and freedom.
don vito says
Good points all!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
One has to ask all these idiots condemning Trump…
One to ask is Chris Christie. As governor he countenanced a state judge who ruled based on Sharia law in a serious wife beating case. Trump should bring that up, for it indicates how Moslems can pervert and harm a host nation.
Jaladhi says
Our media refuses to understand simple truths about Muslims, Islam and jihad!! Giuliani made the ridiculous statement(he says he has been studying Islam/Quran since 9/11, perhaps some Muslim is teaching him about Islam). Again Christi is also in the same mols – looking for votes but he is not going anywhere!1
Jack Diamond says
It’s finally on the table, as it were. Though it will be a few more attacks before the outraged Republicans and Democrats (having fainting spells and needing smelling salts)
get around to doing their duty. I think it will become clear the American public is very supportive of this idea and how out of touch from them are the media and political establishment. Ordinary people get it that Islam is a clear and present danger because they have common sense. The elites? Well, they’ve been “radicalized.”
Kasey says
Everyone should read this. For our children’s sake and OUR future.
Here is an excellent post that ALL people should read for our children’s sake and our future. This writer is an Historian who offers an accurate assessment of the root of the problem the world faces today and likely well into the future..
Syria has had a civil war for almost 5 YEARS.
Why all the “refugees” NOW, and why so all of a SUDDEN and why in such VAST NUMBERS?
With an Honors degree in History and as a lifelong student of the subject, I smell a rat.
This is a highly organized, well oiled, mobilized invasion of Muslims and Jihadists into the Western World. It’s been in their plan for a long time. Momar Gadhafi predicted, and explicitly stated, that Muslim domination of Europe would happen without a conventional war – and he said it 30 years ago.
95% of these economic “refugees” (many who have cell phones) are men between the fighting ages of 20 and 40. Very few are women and children, from everything I’ve seen.
It’s so odd that the 5 wealthiest Arab States, including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait, are taking “no refugees” thanks and feel quite self righteous about it. No guilt what so ever? They are even laughing at us.
Ask yourself: why would Germany, Belgium, Holland, France, Sweden and others want to destroy their own cultures from within? It doesn’t make any sense! ”
[Those “politically correct” leaders who don’t understand Islamic ideology’s true aims are sucked in through ignorance]”
If this keeps up, Europe will be burning daily within a very short few years, if not months. Civil war in the streets between civilizations. Muslims vs Kafirs – that is to say, everyone who is not a Muslim.
Unfortunately, the reality is that Muslims are just not like any other immigrants. They don’t want to assimilate; they want to set up separate enclaves and implement Sharia Law.
Another problem is that while the civilized West rightly abhors violence, conversely Muslims daily display their love of violence. They live it and embrace it. In many Muslim countries are public be-headings and stoning to death for adultery, for example. It’s a part of their culture, precisely because Islam is – dare I say it – a death cult.
Islam is a supremacist, totalitarian, bigoted, lethal and fascist political ideology masquerading as a religion. It literally means “submission”. The Quran MANDATES death for blasphemy, for adultery, for apostasy, for family honor, for being gay, Jewish or a Kafer, as well as ten other “crimes” many of which are not even considered to be so in the West. Death for drinking alcohol or taking illegal drugs, for example. [Islam is the real problem rather than each individual Muslim, but en masse, a catastrophe for the West]
Why let in vast numbers of these brainwashed people, especially men of that age, when past experience has already demonstrated the tragedy, not to mention the financial, social, and political costs of rampant multiculturalism in Europe. Ordinary citizens are against this immigration but strangely, their governments are not!
Someone or some organization pulling some strings here is what I see. Is this invasion part of the New World Order’s plan to depopulate the planet? Maybe there’s not even any such an organization, but it’s all over U-tube and other social media.
The major media are implicit in selling gullible citizens of the West the righteousness of the “refugees” cause and openly siding against Western culture. One drowned child’s picture in the right places sparks outrage and sympathy world wide for the movement and resettlement of vast numbers of Muslims.
However the implementation of Sharia Law, No Go Zone ghettos in most countries in Europe and Muslim rape gangs go unreported.
In radical Islamist countries, honor killings, be-headings, stonings, cutting off limbs, whipping and torture, paedophilia, child bride marriages, rape and misogyny go unreported DAILY and are dismissed as culturally ingrained.
Where is the indignity and the outrage over people doing this every day to their own populations?
Yet a staged picture a drowned baby on a beach sparks a world outcry because his father placed him in a dangerous situation?
Muslim birthrates are 8.0 children per family, while Europeans average 1.4.
When these current millions bring in their multiple wives, children and extended families (85% of whom live on state benefits – England’s experience), you can multiply their number by at least 10x, maybe 20x or even more.
By 2050, Europe will be Muslim dominated just by demographics alone.
When their numbers are sufficient, they will legally vote in their own kind and then Sharia Law.
Europe as we know it will be lost forever. Two thousand years of civilization will be destroyed by the same fanatical bearded, bigoted, brutal, belligerent …… who are now slaughtering their own kind and blowing up ancient and irreplaceable world heritage buildings, monuments, books, manuscripts and other historically significant art treasures in Iraq, Syria and other conquered territories.
Australia should not get sucked into this quagmire of political correctness just to show how polite, civilized, & politically correct we are
Marty Skinner [Historian}
dlbrand says
And to the above, answer fools on the Right and on the Left, “blah, blah, blah; twittle–lee–dee and bumble-bee.”
We got it, over and out.
don vito says
That rat you smell, is a King Rat, I hope you continue to “listen” to your nose.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
It had to come to this, sooner or later there had to be serious questions about Moslems. But Trump is alone on this one, the only politico talking sense. This morning Rudy Guiliani made a false statement, asserting that there is no reasonable basis for criticizing Islam, most are peaceful and should be appreciated. Yet there *is* a reasonable basis for not liking Islam and Moslems, and it stems not from a religion test but a belief system test. For example, I dislike anybody who believes I can be killed, imprisoned or subjugated for the sin of not being a Moslem. I also dislike anybody who thinks a woman is half a man, and I dislike anybody who prefers to have Sharia law in this country. Equality before the law. The battle lines were drawn when the Attorney General threatened criminal prosecution for anybody who criticizes Islam, when it is the most criticizable of all belief systems.
Also, where is it written that we can’t be selective on who we let in? What do we owe anybody from Syria, Iraq, Pakistan or the rest? We don’t owe them anything. So let the fake vetting begin. When the next mass murder hits, the politesse will fade away, and we’ll be left to figure out to do with the Moslems we’re stuck with now. One is too many if you accept the principle of law and freedom.
ROBERT WOOTON says
ISIS is the bad guy according to the press, the political class and the apologists. If one reads the history of the Islamic conquest, (God’s Crucible: Islam and the Making of Europe, 570-1215 by David Levering Lewis and other books) one sees that the behavior of ISIS in all of their actions and statements are identical to what Mo and his thugs practiced and preached. ISIS is Islam. Some call Islam a religion of peace but the law of Islam, the Koran, is actually two books with no chronological order. When Mo and company were week in numbers he advocated peace and cooperation. When he had the upper hand it was all out war, looting, rape and slavery. The Koran has passages that advocate both but the latter, the violent and oppressive passages, are more perfect and therefore to be followed whenever possible because those passages are the latest revelations, the last words from God.
Our state is steered by a class of clowns and fools who believe this will all go away like unions, hippies and whatever else has lost favor in society. But Muslims are obligated to follow the Koran and Mo’s life because he represents God. There is no middle ground or room for negotiation. Either we capitulate and convert or we fight to the death. Charles Martel (Charles the Hammer) ended the Islamization of Europe and the subsequent backwardness and barbarity. Who will do the same for us? Until now there has been no candidate that will speak truth, show courage and draw a line. Until Trump.
dlbrand says
Amen, RW. Amen.
dajjal says
Damn poor vision and clumsiness!!
Allah commands: ….
dajjal says
The key to that continuity of practice is aquidah. Its the content of their damnable belief system.
Only Allah has the right to be worshipped.
Only Allah has the right to legislate.
Only Allah has the right to rule.
Infidels have no rights; their blood and treasure are halal.
Akkag cinnabdsL
fight them until
fight those who until
fight the disbelievers nearest you
kill them wherever you find them.
Allah promises: eternity of winebibbing & wankihoo.
Allah threathens: eternal torment.
Allah promises: extra credit for any step taken to injure or enrage kuffar.
What part of that shit do they not smell??? Jihad continues from generation to generation because stupid Muslims believe that crap.
Toleration of their presence in Dar ul-harb is treason to the nation and the whole human race. Yer either one of the orcs or one of us.
Our politicians must b e made to comprehend and confront the fatal facts listed above.
Jack Podolski says
If IS This murdering is some kind of disease?
Do we quarantine the area?.how is it spread? Who carries it
How do we study it to save our lives? What are it’s symptoms and elements.
Moslem? Arab? Christians,mullahs,Imams.
Everything needs to stop to handle this now. It’s destroying are fiber and using up
Tremendous resources.
We clearly know it comes with Islam.
Let’s really look at it totally without decit
And importance as if our very lives and our families are at stake and make no mistake they are.
David Scoltock says
How do you enforce this? How do you seperate an asian muslim from a hindu or sikh? What about white muslims?
It’s a moronic statement designed to get easy support form morons.
Myxlplik says
First of all don’t believe anything the Left says on this matter. Instead, let’s enjoy La Pen’s victory in Fance as the first wave ushers these morons out of power in the Western world.
Ex-muslim says
Exactly!
Actually you could be beheaded in Saudi Arabia for publicly displaying a Christian Cross. Donald Trump is the best of the best. No one like him in the Western world (except Geert Wilders) who have the guts to speak the obvious as he does.
God bless him!
dlbrand says
Ex-muslim said: “…. you could be beheaded in Saudi Arabia for publicly displaying a Christian Cross. Donald Trump is the best of the best. No one like him in the Western world (except Geert Wilders) who have the guts to speak the obvious as he does.
God bless him!”
Amen, my Friend. And God bless you for exercising the inimitable courage it takes to be an “Ex-muslim”.
God bless you.
Angemon says
Yeah, it’s not like we can read their books and listen to what they say to figure out the “why”… sarc./ off
Katowice says
With every additional speech, Trump appears more and more like a mere populist noisemaker. His “policy” pronouncements are cheap attempts to pander, and don’t speak highly of his ideological maturity or information base. We’re at the whim of his polling firms and advisers if he’s the candidate. People want this against what will certainly be the most coordinated media assault in US political history?
dajjal says
When they take down Trump, Cruz is ready to pick up the shards, then the real media barrage will begin. The establishment can not tolerate Cruz.
dajjal says
Trump read the Unholy Koranus & hadith? Trump read Isdamnic law? Dream on, it will never happen.
Rosewood11 says
I am 100% in favor of Trump’s statement. If you are muslim and you leave the U.S. to travel to a muslim country, you’d better be prepared to stay there for the duration of these hostilities. Those who say this wouldn’t have stopped the San Bernardino murderers are “dead wrong.” He would not have been allowed back in, and she would not have been here to begin with.
I will go Mr. Trump one better: Round every one of them up, and send them back to their country of origin. If they are “U.S. citizens,” revoke their citizenship, and send them to the country of their family’s origin–black or white, doesn’t matter. If they are white American idiots, then send them to Guantanimo!!!
Medina says
Muslims are unable to stop being who and what they are…and sadly we’ll see their terror here again.
dlbrand says
Dr. Divinity said: “Trump is saying what the American people want to hear and mostly speaking the truth as He sees the possibility of …”
http://kaylaluky.bandcamp.com/track/lonesome-ranger
Rob Porter says
Rosewood, what ‘Donald Trump is advocating reflects almost exactly what Franklin Graham said today.
dlbrand says
Amen Rosewood11, damn right.
Get used to it Jihad Watch readers and commentators. The Republican Party has spoken and they stand in defense of the Muslims; resisting them is, doing less than welcoming them, embracing and defending them and their right to practice their “religion” among us; as Paul Ryan, speaking for the Party, asserted, is flat not who we are.
Therefore, choose your Candidate. Throw-in all your full support behind him or her.
And in so doing, you will do the same—unless, of course the Candidate you stand with is Trump: because Trump, for starters, calls for banning all Muslim from entering U.S. until we find out the source of their hatred for us; he calls, amongst other things, for monitoring of mosque—for the followers of Muhammad in our nation.
Trump’s imperfection acknowledged. But so too are his steps, at the minimum, in the right direction, with respect to dealing with the danger Islam and the adherents to it present to our nation.
If he wrong-steps, I’d fight him, but when he right steps, I laud and support him.
Jack Diamond says
and now we have Huma Abedin weighing in:
“I’m a proud Muslim — but you don’t have to share my faith” to know “my disgust,” Ms. Abedin, the vice chairwoman of the Clinton campaign, wrote of Mr. Trump’s proposal.
“Trump wants to literally write racism into our law books,” she continued. “His Islamophobia doesn’t reflect our nation’s values — it goes far enough to damage our country’s reputation and could even threaten our national security.”
Once again, as she has told Hillary, keeping Muslims and Muslim killers out of America threatens our national security and “makes us less safe.” And it’s racist! Muslims are now a race.
Jack Diamond says
It is self-evident it would make us safe, safe from the not so ineffectual jihad in San Bernardino or the not so ineffectual Boston Marathon jihad and the many many more to come after the call from the caliphate to kill us so we are not safe in our own beds.
Fundamentalism, as you call it, needs no fuel. In fact, recognizing the war against us and doing what self-defense requires will begin to earn us some respect from those “international alliances”–who have no problem banning and prohibiting in their own countries. Tunisia had no problem shutting down mosques after the slaughter of tourists on their beaches. Have we shut down one lousy mosque here? Not even the 9/11 mosque in Virginia; not even that rats nest breeding terrorists in Boston, let alone the whole Muslim Brotherhood spider web allowed to flourish here. Our “international alliances” only understand the language of strength or weakness. Being perceived as weak (and stupid) is what does all the damage.
DP111 says
If we don’t clamp down on Muslim immigration, then reverse it, the US will, in the fullness of time become Islamic. There will be no freedom of speech when that happens, There will also be little hope that freedom on any form will emerge from a nation under sharia.
Therefore, for the sake of survival, I would not mind that freedom of speech is restricted while Islam is at war with the West.
Its not unusual. In WWII, freedom of speech was restricted, and people understood why this was necessary.
pdxnag says
Sedition, and advocacy of sedition, is not protected speech under the first amendment. Islam is inherently seditious.
Michael Copeland says
Yes. See “Sedition” at LibertyGB:
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6244-sedition
dlbrand says
DP111 said: ” If we don’t clamp down on Muslim immigration, then reverse it, the US will, in the fullness of time become Islamic. ”
Yup.
And that is precisely–irrespective of the route taken there and the speed traveled at en route–where both Parties are taking this nation.
gravenimage says
DP111 wrote:
Therefore, for the sake of survival, I would not mind that freedom of speech is restricted while Islam is at war with the West.
……………………………….
I’m not sure I understand what freedom of speech you want to see restricted, DP111. Given how things are right now, if any speech were restricted it would be *being able to speak the truth about Islam*.
Matthew says
OK, to avoid the complications of assessing whether or not someone is a Muslim or not simply restrict entry (refuse to grant visas) to anyone coming from a Muslim-majority country.
JMB says
Would such a ban have included the sort of person (refuse to use word man) who has since become your President. As in he had an openly Muslim father in Kenya which has a very large Muslim population, has an Islamic name and was educated at an Islamic school in the worlds most populist Muslim nation. (Indonesia)
Of course their will be outrage about Mr Trump’s call, but give people a bit of time to think about it and it will make a LOT of sense.
Reg Smith says
We’ll said Donald Trump. A lot of people here in the UK share your sentiments
dlbrand says
Reg Smith said: “We’ll said Donald Trump. A lot of people here in the UK share your sentiments.”
Amen.
Ralph says
HEY OBAMA FORGOT ABOUT THIS LAW……Islam, by law, is prohibited from US immigration!
The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of Aliens to the US and remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by “force, violence, or other unconstitutional means.” This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States, but this law is being ignored by the White House. Islamic immigration to the US would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the US government, the Constitution, and to the Republic. All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life’s guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the political correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from entering the US because Islam is a religion. Whether it is a religion is immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with any “organization” that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited.
underbed cat says
Thanks for finding this law, Ralph I learn alot everyday from the commenters on JW, when the knowledge about sharia law, the related doctrine, the seditious nature of islam, gets out, the realization will be it has already in place to subvert our government. I hope it is not to late.
Myxlplik says
I’ve been watching Trumps speeches, if his opponents think they can defeat him with the typical leftist sound bite dribble in a debate, they are screwed.
He’s sly as a fox, a lot of what he says and does which appears to be off the cuff is actually a honey pot he’s laying for his challengers. Not all of it though, he’s actually pretty rude at times, but that’s just a cultural thing about New Yorkers, which I’ll accept as Multiculturalism
Jim Peters says
Since this law was changed several times, most recently 2003, does anyone know the outcome of those changes? From a quick reading of the changes, I see no negation of the original barring of certain unwelcome immigrants and those not thought to assimilate into the American culture. However,there was the elimination of barring based on ideology in 1990 and signed by Bush the elder. Any lawyers out there?
JAS says
Do you expect Hussein Obama to actually stand up for America? It ain’t ever gonna happen. He’s not even thru with his fundamental transformation of the USA… We still have hope!
Screeminmeeme says
Is there anyone who can imagine that during/after WW2 America would NOT have denied immigration to Nazis? There weren’t that many of them, but there are over a billion Muslims in the world, and considering that a conservatively estimated 10% are jihadists or in support of jihad, it means that there are over 100 million who believe that their mandate is to conquer the entire world, including America.
What’s it going to take for Americans to wake up and smell the sharia? An entire city nuked by a suitcase device? An attack on the Superbowl? Or simultaneous attacks on soft targets all over the country?
The real and present danger of Islam cannot be overstated, and I fear that any wake-up call loud enough to rouse us out of our politically correct slumber, will come too late. If only Robert Spencer’s cogent and compelling lessons on Islam could reach every American. If only they were willing to listen.
Michael Copeland says
Support of Jihad is, of course dangerous to USA, and it is not optional.
“Jihad means to war against non-Muslims” and is “a communal obligation”
(Manual of Islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveller”, o9.0, o9.1).
Sharia is to be obeyed even if the muslim hates it:
“Fighting is ordained for you, though it is repugnant to you;” 2:216
The purpose of the fighting to kill is to make Islam the only system:
“Fight the non-muslims and kill them until Islam is the only governance” Koran 8:39.
The Manual is available as a free download.
Jack Diamond says
Just had O’Reilly tell us the vast majority of Muslims do not believe in jihad and that Muslims cannot be kept out of America by reason of their religion but those (the few) who believe in jihad can be kept out. I’d like him to tell us what he thinks jihad is and what it is for and where it comes from. That Jihad is not only a core doctrine of Islam but is inseparable from the meaning of Islam (the religion) does not compute with him, nor that every true Muslim must believe in Allah’s laws, shari’a, or that Islam means submission not choice. But why should he know anything about Islam in order to talk about it? It’s just a few crazies out there…
dlbrand says
Jack Diamond said: “Just had O’Reilly tell us ….”
Indeed And along with it, how we need the “Moderates” to win this war–of course we need them (their protection, their cease “fire” for our pay), and they need our jizyah.
’bout all I could stomach of him.
Jim Peters says
“Operation paperclip” let a lot of Nazi scientists in i.e. Werner Van Braun et al after WWII. Governments do all kinds of things behind our backs.
red rose says
Omama the worst president this country has witnessed! He won’t allow the innocent Middle Eastern Christians entry America, but he’s allowing Muslims in the hundreds of thousands entry knowing they want to end our freedoms and lives. When will this nightmare end?!?
Oliver says
How many Americans must be killed before we consider the security aspects of immigration and the refugee crisis?
The above is from the 3rd paragraph of this post.
THE ANSWER IS ONE, OR AT MOST TWO OR THREE.
HOWEVER=–AND THIS IS A BIG HOWEVER– THEY MUST BE ( EITHER) POLITICIANS OR RELATIVES OF HIGH RANKING POLITICIANS.
Common people don’t count.
That, unfortunately, is the way that governments work. (At all levels).
j_not_a says
Is it really”bigoted” to view muslims, all muslims, with a suspicious eye?
Excerpts from article:http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/30061/
Regarding Faizal Shazad the wouldbe Times Square bomber and his views on loyalty and US citizenship:
‘The defeat of the US is imminent and will happen in the near future”, he told the court shortly before his sentence was announced.
A little additional anecdotal testimony, courtesy of one ‘ecil man’ posting on Mr Spencer’s jihadwatch website, July 8, 2005, at 7.52 am, in a discussion of Islam and lying: “Actually I have a friend who was raised a moslem in Pakistian. He no longer believes in god period. But he stated to me any non-moslem who thinks he can be friends with a moslem is a fool. Never believe what they say. To lie or deceive a nonmoslem is a great honor…”.
‘A defiant Faisal Shahzad warned Americans “the war with the Muslims has just begun”, as he was sentenced Tuesday to life in prison for a botched attempt to bomb New York’s famed Times Square.
‘Shahzad, a US citizen who lived in Connecticut and started what resembled an ordinary American family before embracing jihadist militancy (’embracing jihadist militancy’ – sic: when, oh, when, will a mainstream journalist simply write – ‘before embarking upon combat jihad’?) pleaded guilty in June to the May 1 bombing attempt.
‘A Pakistani-born US citizen who tried to set off a car bomb in New York’s Times Square in May has been sentenced to life in prison.
‘The 30 year old Muslim obtained US citizenship in April 2009 but said Tuesday it was only a ploy.
“Didn’t you swear allegiance to this country?” Judge Miriam Goldman Cedarbaum asked him.
“I sweared, but I didn’t mean it”: Times Square bomb plotter tells us how a devout Muslim approaches his oath of citizenship
‘The son of a Pakistani air force officer, Shahzad came to the United States to study at the age of 18 and in 2009 became a naturalised American citizen.
And now we all know exactly how much that US citizenship,,,,,, meant to this Muslim, and what it likely means to many, many others just like him. That is: nothing.
Nothing but a temporary pose during the preparation of an act of Jihad. For as Hizb ut Tahrir, and others, openly tell us, a Muslim is supposed to give no loyalty or friendship to anything else but the Ummah; certainly not to any Infidel nation-state. – end of excerpts
Any state or country who ignores or downplays this very crucial reality of the muslim mindset does so at their great peril as has been seen time and time again. The ones lucky enough to be born and raised in the west only to turn jihadist against the country who has given them every opportunity for a better life they could ever dream of having in any of the existing islamic crapholes in the world.
Jim Horn says
The creator of the cult of Islam, Mohammed established the contract of the Dhimma whereby Christians and Jews could be “protected” and not be forced to convert to Islam. There are two key parts of this Dhimmi status that you need to know:
First, is that the dhimmis must pay protection money every year to keep from being tormented or killed. To the Mafia it was just that – simple protection money – the Arabs call it the jizya tax.
For this present situation where people are attacking Donald for asking that the USG suspend issuing visas to Moslems until they figure out what is going on, Republican leaders are attacking Donald which is what the Moslems want.
The Dhimmi is obliged to not only serve but to protect Islam at all costs. House Speaker Paul Ryan stepped up to the plate like a perfect little Dhimmi servant of Islam to protect Islam’s interests (continue issuing visas to Moslems at all costs) while attacking Donald.
xxxChurch100 says
Mark Durie’s book ” The 3rd Choice ” contains excellent history on the contract of Dhimma .
The books’ name ” The 3rd Choice ” is the offer of Dhimmitude given by Islam to those who do not 1. Convert or 2. Are be-headed.
A most informative read .
Unfortunately the war we now find ourselves in, but refuse to acknowledge , will likely come down to these choices for many people .
Regards
eduardo odraude says
Yes, Durie’s Third Choice is one of the contenders for absolute best intro to Islam.
gravenimage says
Yes–and excellent and important book.
gravenimage says
“and” should be “an”.
dlbrand says
“The Dhimmi is obliged to not only serve but to protect Islam at all costs. House Speaker Paul Ryan stepped up to the plate like a perfect little Dhimmi servant of Islam to protect Islam’s interests (continue issuing visas to Moslems at all costs) while attacking Donald.”
Indeed, my Friend. And Ryan did so speaking on behalf of the Republican Party, leaders and patrons.
Annak says
Very workable. It is for the gulf states.They just refuse to let in any refugees as they are savages and they are not ashamed of saying so.
And Trump should first publicly apologise for insulting Pam Geller before he went ” anti-Jihadist” as would have made an even bigger and believable man out of him.
Gunner55 says
If Trump is not the Republican Party, I can not vote for that Party. That does not mean that I will ever vote for a Democrat. But if the country is going to burn no matter what politician wins then I will not participate.
dlbrand says
Gunner55 said: “If Trump is not the Republican Party, I can not vote for that Party. That does not mean that I will ever vote for a Democrat. But if the country is going to burn no matter what politician wins then I will not participate.”
Indeed my Friend.
I find it applauding the furor with which the Left and Right are, like starved lions that just scented fresh blood a-flow, latching on to Trump.
Shaking, tearing, as it were, at their prey.
So too, like mad men and women in a frenzy, feeding him—head, shoulders, arms, legs and cracking bone after cracking busting bone– into the running thresher.
You won’t find me in that damned Islam-cowed crowed–You will find me standing for Trump, and to best of my ability, beating away the lions and the wolves dashing in for the kill, and the vultures, already swirling overhead eager to get to the carcass.
Mr. Trump, by having made the above- cited call, has asked that we now take time to find out the source of the hatred in Muslims for those in our nation and elsewhere who are and wish to remain Non-Muslim and non-subjects to Islam.
If that challenge is allowed to come to fruition, it will take us directly to the so-called “sacred” Islamic text: it will take us directly into the pages of Qur’an, the pages of sira, the pages of regarded Islamic tafsir, and into the volumes, chapters, pages and lines of ahadith.
And for that, those cowed by Islam, in their frenzy, feed Trump to the shredder.
eduardo odraude says
Here’s a National Review article that makes a counter proposal to Trump’s temporary stop to Muslim immigration:
http://www.nationalreview.com/donald-trump-muslim-immigration
James says
Trump is the only one who has the guts to tell the truth. Islam is institutionalized evil! If we haven’t figured out that we have to keep the wretched murder cult out of our country by now, we are screwed. There is absolutely nothing good, or even neutral about it. It is like sleeping with a puff adder under your pillow hoping it won’t kill you if you are nice to it. Keep the murder cult OUT!
John Johness says
This seems to be getting better by the day. All the “objective” journalist are coming out with emotional opinion pieces. No one seems to be able to just report it. It has to have a ‘moral outrage’ tag preferably at the beginning. As to any journalist actually analyzing it, they are too fogged by their own “disgust” to be able to do that.
So from what I can see, it all hinges on “Muslims will be upset” – to a varying degree.
From that we get: ISIS will be happy and our forces overseas are compromised. No proof, no nothing.
That is about the depth of it all.
I keep looking for analysis and argument/discussion – nothing so far. I’d be interested if anyone finds any.
Bernard says
If a plebiscite was presented to the indigenous peoples of both the USA & UK as to whether all Muslims of foreign birth should be repatriated to their country of origin, the result would be a resounding yes.
What would be the ‘tipping point’?
When it gets far worse.
rock says
What about Japan? No Muslims are allowed to become citizens in Japan. Not a bad idea, huh?
gravenimage says
Dear rock, I’m not sure why this myth persists. While it is not easy for any alien to gain Japanese citizenship, there *is no ban on Muslims*. While Japan is not close to any part of Dar-al-Islam, there is a small but growing number of Mosques in Japan, as well. They haven’t had a lot of Jihad activity there so far, but that is likely to change as the Muslim population grows.
HV says
“Israelis are banned by every country in the Middle East, where’s the outrage?”
“Carter banned all Iranians from entry during the Iranian crisis!”
Here’s the question:
If I offered you a bowl with 100 grapes in it and told you 2 were laced with a deadly poison – would you take any at all until you know it’s safe?
David says
Muslim immigration has basically destroyed Europe. Over 1400 English girls were raped by Muslims in the relatively small city of Rotterham. That’s the answer to the question as to what 15,000 Muslims can do. Burglary rates are throught the roof. Robberies are rampant. Rapes are rampant in the reported statistics and probably there are a lot that aren’t reported. While I wouldn’t have said what Trump said, we can;t allow more Muslims here.
James says
All sorts of buffoons and idiots are jumping on Trump for this horrible crime… but so far, every criticism and every indignant comment has reinforced my belief that Trump is dead right on this muslim immigrant thing, no muslim should be allowed to enter our country, ever, under any circumstance. Islam has convincingly demonstrated to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear that it is the enemy of me, my country, and everything I hold dear, so I feel righteous as a saint in hating it and wanting to protect my family and my nation from its medieval barbarism and hopeless primitive savagery. The more the lefties attack Trump for daring to say it, the more I support him. I was not a fan of his until he said the unmentionrable…. no muslims in the USA!
E Ward says
How about stopping ALL immigration for five years. Remember, we have an unsecured border to the south. This would give us time to beef up all our borders, vet
E Ward says
How about stopping ALL immigration for five years? Remember, we have an unsecured border to the south. This would give us time to beef up all our borders, vet possible immigrants, and stop the momentum ISIS or any other terrorist groups might be gathering.
gravenimage says
This is the spam I just received from Nancy Pelosi’s office:
Did you see this email? It’s very important — please read it.
I was proud of Mansoor on my team for calling on grassroots supporters to denounce Trump.
Sadly, Trump is not our only problem. Hateful policy has become the new normal for Republican Presidential candidates, and Congressional Republicans are backing them up.
That’s why I need to your help right away. I’m asking people of every faith to join me and denounce the hateful rhetoric from Donald Trump and the Republican Party.
Thanks,
Nancy
–Original Message–
I’m an American and also a Muslim.
Today, I’m asking all Americans of every faith to join me to denounce Donald Trump’s hate speech.
His plan to shut Muslims out of America has no place in our Democracy.
His prejudice against Muslims is reckless, dangerous and racist.
Trump doesn’t understand what makes America great.
We are a nation of different faiths, but we share a common belief that our differences only make us better, and together — we can build a stronger America.
That is the greatness of our nation.
Will you stand with me and other progressives in denouncing Trump’s hateful comments?
Every day, Muslims in America like myself are working hard to strengthen our communities.
Muslim Americans own businesses. We are leaders in communities, teachers in local schools and members of the Armed Forces. We are fathers, mothers, sisters and brothers. And we are your neighbors.
Simply put: We are Americans.
And as an American — I think it’s time we said NO to the hate.
Join me to denounce Trump’s Muslim prejudice.
Thank you,
Mansoor Khadir
Northeast Field Director, DCCC
………………………….
Apparently Nancy Pelosi finds Trump’s words “hateful”–but it seems she does not feel the slaughter of fourteen innocent Californians to be hateful at all.
And let’s check out Khadir’s email:
Note his referring to America as “our Democracy”–even though Muslims *at best* consider democracy something to be used to wage stealth Jihad and impose Shari’ah–the more avid reject it even in the short run.
Then he refers to fears over Muslim violence as “racist”–even though Islam is not a race and Muslims come in all races.
Then he says “our differences only make us better, and together — we can build a stronger America”–is she also including those Muslims whose “differences” include slaughtering Infidels, as was the case with her coreligionists in San Bernardino?
What he describes as the “greatness of our nation” sounds a whole lot like surrender to Islam.
When he says, “every day, Muslims in America like myself are working hard to strengthen our communities”–is he talking about American communities, or just the Islamic Ummah? Certainly, the witless Nancy Pelosi will not think to ask.
dlbrand says
Good job, GI.
Atheist says
I am an Atheist, born as “Muslim” .. I am a critic of Islam and I support most of the ideas that Mr. Spencer Presents. However the Question is .. what is really the definition here of “Muslim” .. it is not like banning “Iranian” as one of the fellows mentioned here .. “Islam” is not a nationality. Most of the time you can’t distinguish between a Muslim, Christian , Bahai just by name. What about People like me who are Atheists left the middle east because I can’t find myself compatible with the life style there and moved to Canada .. will I be considered a Muslim according to Trumps proposal?.. I ran away from Muslims to be Considered a “Muslim here”!. Adding to that from we have to differ between “Islam” as Radical Ideology and Muslims. People born on certain ideology doesn’t mean they understand it or follow it fully .. they just inherited it. Most of the Muslims have no clue what Islam and they just want to have a normal life like anyone else.
dlbrand says
“Atheist, born as “Muslim”
By your assertion that you are an atheist you assert your rejection of Islam.
Therefore, that makes you an apostate of that faith and no Muslim.
The problem we face is the doctrine in the books Muhammad allegedly brought and fathered. And with those that hold that in those books sacred.
By your assertions, you clearly reject the way, doctrine, and teachings of Islam, and therefore, you are no Muslim and are welcomed in our nation.
Greg Smith says
Robert – I wish you had left a link to an article explaining your issue with Trump! You alluded to something I’m unaware of. Please explain.
gravenimage says
Greg, Donald Trump has excoriated Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller for daring to stand up for freedom of speech in the face of Muslim threats of violence:
Here’s what he said about the Garland show:
“…I watched Pam prior, and it looked like she’s just taunting everybody. What is she doing drawing Muhammad?…And it looks like she’s actually taunting people — and it’s disgusting that it happened and everything else. But why are they doing [sic] drawing Muhammad? Isn’t there something else they can draw?”
And
“I mean it’s disgusting. Isn’t there something else they could be doing? Drawing Muhammad?…They can’t do something else? They have to be in the middle of Texas doing something on Muhammad and insulting everybody? What is she doing? Why is she doing it? It’s probably very risky for her — I don’t know, maybe she likes risk? But what the hell is she doing?”
In other words, Trump does not believe we should be allowed to say anything negative about the violence of Islam–because violent Muslims don’t want us to. He believes we should acquiesce to these threats and demands.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/10/whats-wrong-with-donald-trump/
Girlie says
We stopped all immigration from the 1920’s to the 1960’s to find out who was here already and to ensure that those who have come here will assimilate. In the 1920’s we had many Italian communists that were shooting and bombing people and places. This lead to us stopping all immigration. We should absolutely do it again. Deport all illegal people back to their country of origin and charge their country monetarily with whatever costs their people have incurred here through welfare, schooling, etc. If that nation cannot pay in money, then they pay in produce, product or owe us.
Donald Trump fan says
Donald Trump said to BAN ALL MUSLIMS immigrating into the USA or seeking refugee status. What is wrong with that? It makes perfect sense. After all, radical Muslims pose as “peace loving Muslims”, hence, it’s impossible to differentiate the radical Muslims from the peace loving Muslims. Hence, since it is, we can no longer allow any Muslim to seek refugee status or visas, coming into the USA. The Muslims who drove a plane into the World Trade Center were seen as “peace loving muslims.” The Muslim couple who slaughtered 14 people and injured 21 in San Bernardino, were seen as “peace loving Muslims.” Get over your ignorance please. Wake up. NO MORE MUSLIMS shall enter the USA. Stay out until our government gets their sht$$ together and figures this out.
JawsV says
It’s official: The United States is suicidal. Shocking to see all these politicians coming out of the woodwork to denounce Trump. Bunch of craven weenies.
Trump’s statement is old hat to me. I’ve been saying for 10 years we have to stop letting Muslims and their Jihad ideology into our country. Way ahead of you, Donald!
awake says
Trump was wrong on Garland. That said, he clearly does not support the suppression of free speech.
His proposal on Muslim immigration and their entry to the U.S., or lack thereof, is common sense, unremarkable and has been a popular sentiment here at JW for at least a decade.
The lack if honesty regarding his statement, coming from both sides of the political aisle, is nothing short of reprehensible. A pause on all Muslim immigration until we get a handle on how to vet properly? His qualifier was unnecessary in my estimation and it did not go far enough, yet it was offered in the statement and is being ignored by the entire media world.
What really is the difference between Trump’s statement and the Safe Act passed by the House? The latter limited temporary denial of visas to Syrian refugees, whereas the former is an obvious improvement on that narrowly focused legislation.
It is unfortunate that there is a personal squabble, and an all too quick call to throw out the baby with the bath water. Such is life.
Trump is the only viable candidate for a multitude of reasons.
David-Paul Newton-Scott says
Cut and pasted
First of all, it’s important to underline that Congress can exclude or admit any foreigner it wants, for any reason or no reason. Non-Americans have no constitutional right to travel to the United States and no constitutional due-process rights to challenge exclusion; as the Supreme Court has written multiple times, “Whatever the procedure authorized by Congress is, it is due process as far as an alien denied entry is concerned.”
What’s more, while the president doesn’t have the authority that Obama has claimed, to let in anyone he wants for any reason (under the guise of “parole”), he does have the statutory authority to keep anyone out, for any reason he thinks best.
Edward says
‘Trump: Ban all Muslim travel to U.S.’
“No one has some natural right to enter the U.S. Trump is suggesting a temporary measure, and in view of the intelligence failures involved in Tashfeen Malik’s passing background checks from both the FBI and DHS, and the stated plan of the Islamic State (ISIS) to embed jihadis among the refugees, and the fact that two of the Paris jihadis were recent arrivals into Europe as refugees, it is prudent to call a halt and try to devise some genuinely effective vetting measures — although that will be impossible as long as Obama’s policy of denying the reality of jihad continues.” – Robert Spencer
“ it is prudent to call a halt and try to devise some genuinely effective vetting measures —.”
Robert’s word of a not-often abided to virtue, of being “prudent” may knock-out the hell of the PC and the existence of the most maligned expression label given to a prudent human being…….islamophobic!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prudence#Prudence_as_the_.22mother.22_of_all_virtues
An example of valuable word’s of PRUDENCE/WISDOM:
Proverbs 22:3 A prudent person foresees danger and takes precautions. The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.
Proverbs 13:16 Every prudent man acts with knowledge, But a fool displays folly.
Proverbs 12:16 Fools show their annoyance at once, but the prudent overlook an insult.
Amos 5:13-14 Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. Seek good and not evil, that you may live; And thus may the LORD God of hosts be with you, Just as you have said!
Perhaps, Donald Trump could greatly benefit himself or for that matter ourselves too, if we could refer to the OT’s book of Proverb’s and/or the book of Wisdom often. Their contents are a prudent fit for a profoundly wise person; a person famed for wisdom.
Repeating a thought: By practicing our affirmed prudence it will absolutely trump (no pun intended) anything that our enemies spews out maliciously in order to always justify their evil agendas!
A double whammy to this idiotic PC movement and to the islamophopia label; just by abiding by the virtue of prudence!
Edward says
May I suggest that we keep in our minds the words from the prophet (Amos 5:13-14) “Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. Seek good and not evil, that you [WE] may live.”
Robert Spencer’s Jihad Watch has kept that valuable advice active for over 12 years and is keeping it as its continued projected mission for our beloved America’s survival!
Good Bless America’s Sovereignty!
underbed cat says
I thought I read Obama had removed any visa or travel requirements for the country of Saudia Arabia?
Meaning it would not be scrutinized to any extent…no documents needed. That Farouks wife flew into Ohara airport, is very interesting, I think it is a major hub….. and the surrounding towns with many learning centers if you get my clue.
Edward says
Hmm, your comment should be forwarded to prudent minded people, so they can in turn discover more libelous evidence. You know, your discernment on this matter could bear helpful fruit!
Jack Diamond says
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/01/obama-ends-post-911-restrictions-on-saudis-entering-us
Carter Burger says
Just as a point of order, Jimmy Carter did the same thing in 1979 with Iranians after the hostage crisis started. I’ve searched and searched the internet, but have yet to find a single democrat that attacked him over it. https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261062/carter-banned-iranians-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield
JAS says
Trump has it right again. All you gotta do is stay awake for a couple days to see that muslims are dangerous to your health and to the health of your children. I can’t see what is so wrong with his suggestion, it makes perfect sense. The muslim mentality is no different than any other fatal disease. It needs to be kept out of our country.
Jae M says
This in shocking news: Canada’s Prime Minister Trudeau said the Shahada (the prayer that converts you to a Muslim) shortly before becoming Prime Minister. At the time he was touring mosques in every city he visited and even a known extremist linked mosque. YIKES!!!! Now he is virtually mimicking the play cards of Obama’s Administration. https://youtu.be/ENBVnY0CaOo
dumbledoresarmy says
I’m puzzled. When I click the link that says “Older Comments” I can’t see ANYTHING. I get the article and below it a blank Comments box.
Jack Diamond says
I don’t even see an Older Comments link.