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Turkish Religious Affairs top dog: Islamic State causes as much damage as “Islamophobic” Muhammad cartoons

Dec 23, 2015 8:30 am By Robert Spencer

Let’s see. The Islamic State has murdered thousands upon thousands of people. Cartoons of Muhammad don’t kill anyone. Some Muslims decide to commit murder because of Muhammad cartoons, but if they decided to exercise some self-control and try to understand the lineaments of a free and pluralistic society, no one would get hurt at all over these drawings. That fact, however, has been determinedly and deliberately obscured, or willfully misunderstood, by countless numbers of people on both the Left and the Right, people who should know better: pundits, politicians, columnists, church leaders, and more, who have declared that if bloodthirsty jihadists will commit murder over cartoons, then it is up to us to stop drawing cartoons, and we are responsible for the bloodshed if we don’t stop. They have forgotten the nature of human responsibility, if they ever knew it. They have forgotten that the only one responsible for one’s own actions is the one who chooses to take those actions. They are capitulating to violent intimidation and bullying, which will only lead to more violent intimidation and bullying.

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“Damage by ISIL no less than Prophet Muhammad cartoons, says head of Turkish Diyanet,” Hürriyet Daily News, December 21, 2015:

Damage done by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) militants is no less than the damage caused by that wrought by “Islamophobic” drawers of “intolerable cartoons,” Mehmet Görmez, head of the Turkish Religious Affairs (Diyanet), has said.

“Today, the damage caused the networks, distant from any belief, reason and wisdom, who engrave the name [of God] on their so-called flags is no less than the [damage caused by] cartoons –intolerable by any means– by the pioneers of Islamophobia,” said Görmez on Dec. 21 in his message on Mawlid an-Nabi, the Islamic anniversary of the birthday of Prophet Muhammad, which is on the night of Dec. 22 this year.

ISIL’s flag has God written on their black flag.

Muslims are the ones to present Prophet Muhammad’s guidance to the whole world, Görmez said.

“However, I regret to say that the biggest problem of Muslims today is that they have lost the status of being an example and cannot deservedly represent of our prophet’s message of grace and mercy,” he said….

What? That’s their biggest problem? Not “Islamophobia”? You’re slipping, Görmez.

 

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  1. pdxnag says

    Dec 23, 2015 at 9:28 am

    The commands to wage war on free people found in Islamic texts mock the faux claim that Islam is Peace(tm). Let them wage war on the Koran.

    • mortimer says

      Dec 23, 2015 at 12:33 pm

      Sharia permits the murder of anyone who verbally opposes Islam, since they are at war with Islam:
      “There is no indemnity obligatory for killing a non-Muslim (harbi) at war with Muslims.” -Reliance of the Traveller, o4.17, p.593

      K.33.57 “Cursed they will be. Wherever they are found, they are seized and slain.”

      “We have already discussed killing the person who, with intent, curses the Prophet, belittles him or slights him in any way. The judgement in this case is clear.” – Qadhi Iyaadh in ash-Shifa, Volume No.2, Page No. 27

      “A’li ibn Abi Talib reported that Nabi (saw) said “Whoever curses a prophet kill him. Whoever curses my companions beat him.” (TABARAANI, DARAQUTNI)

  2. Adrian says

    Dec 23, 2015 at 12:21 pm

    “Muslims are the ones to present Prophet Muhammad’s guidance to the whole world, Görmez said” according to the article…

    Notice how Görmez says “…to the whole world”.

    The world is sick of this “guidance” from deluded halfwits; nobody wants it

  3. mortimer says

    Dec 23, 2015 at 12:38 pm

    Sharia law punishes verbal warfare against Islam MORE severely than military warfare. Why?

    The logic is that MOHAMMED’S EXAMPLE was often to forgive warriors and let them live, whereas Mohammed SOMETIMES forgave critics of his DEATH CULT.

    Since Mohammed is dead, he can no longer decide to spare verbal critics of Islam…SO THEY MUST ALL BE EXECUTED. Any Muslim may kill them acting as a vigilante.

  4. Sam says

    Dec 23, 2015 at 3:03 pm

    According to Muslim logic, everything is wrong but the religion of peace. And the point can never be honestly discussed. What a crazy cult this Islam is. Anyone who thinks that we can win against Islam by logic and understanding is delusional also. Evil must be defeated by brutal force.

  5. Lucretius says

    Dec 23, 2015 at 3:21 pm

    Disturbing Muslim safe space is WORSE than slaughter [2:191]. But Görmez makes slaughter equal to and maybe even worse than lampoons. He’s really slipping!

  6. No Fear says

    Dec 23, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    Nazi SS did less damage than those who drew cartoons of them. How dare anyone draw a cartoon of a murderous cult.

  7. Jack says

    Dec 23, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    MEHMET GORMEZ when you and Erdogan wonder why your country is not truly accepted as a part of Europe, even though you jockeyed a place in NATO, don’t think too hard. Firstly, any fool can tell you that this cartoon does not resemble the Mohammed at all. Do you know how I am certain of this fact? Mohammed did not allow any representation of him to be created during his lifetime. Therefore, the image of Mohammed is lost to the annals of history. It’s possible the Erdogan looks like Mohammed and then we would have to decide on a fatwa. So, if a cartoon has caused you sleepless nights, I recommend you get on the direct line to the White House, CAIR, and the Muslim Brotherhood and demand the image of Mohammed on the wall of our Supreme Court be sanded down and erased forthwith! If You or Erdogan (representing Turkey) don’t do this you are HYPOCRITES and defy the Quran.

    • Wellington says

      Dec 23, 2015 at 3:52 pm

      One small correction, Jack. Turkey came into NATO in 1952. At that time, thanks to Ataturk (though he died in 1938), it was essentially Muslim in name only. The Turkish military was completely secularized. As an example, if a Turkish officer’s brother (not the officer himself but merely a close relative like a brother) made a pilgrimage to Mecca, that officer was dismissed from the military. For decades thereafter Turkey was a valuable and relatively reliable ally of the US. Unfortunately, those days are long gone and Turkey’s usefulness to NATO is virtually gone too, though I have to wonder in general if NATO itself hasn’t outlived its purpose.

  8. Matthieu Baudin says

    Dec 23, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    “…They have forgotten that the only one responsible for one’s own actions is the one who chooses to take those actions. They are capitulating to violent intimidation and bullying, which will only lead to more violent intimidation and bullying…”

    And this ‘moral equivalence’ nonsense, coming out of Turkey, demonstrates once more a preoccupation with the diminished status of Islam on the world stage. The suffering of individuals on a massive scale is not the primary focus at all.

  9. Angemon says

    Dec 23, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    “However, I regret to say that the biggest problem of Muslims today is that they have lost the status of being an example and cannot deservedly represent of our prophet’s message of grace and mercy,” he said….

    Are you kidding? We see muslims raping and killing non-muslims, and living at their expenses – what’s that if not representing muhammad accurately?

  10. Sabri S. says

    Dec 23, 2015 at 10:13 pm

    Hogwash!….Isis was created by the us, funded by the us,
    And ignored by the us…stop us agression, drone attacks,
    And military occupation in muslim countries worldwide!!
    No intelligent person is fooled….only the dumb bigots…

    • Wellington says

      Dec 23, 2015 at 10:25 pm

      Muslim aggression has been existent for 1400 some years. Also, if the Islamic world had its act together, the US wouldn’t have to intervene in Muslim lands from time to time, but an Islamic world that has its act together is oxymoronic in the extreme.

      Islam is a burden to all the world. It is fascistic and parasitic. It also produces a victim-oriented mentality that is nauseating and continuous. Wise up. Screeds like yours fool only fools.

      • Sabri S. says

        Dec 24, 2015 at 1:08 am

        Wellington….read and learn current events.
        Name one muslim Country that is militarily occupying
        A non-muslim country…crickets… driving foreign troops
        Off their land is the cause…islam is the solution!

        • Champ says

          Dec 24, 2015 at 3:00 am

          “…islam is the solution!”

          And shit smells like roses …

        • No Fear says

          Dec 24, 2015 at 3:19 am

          “Name one muslim Country that is militarily occupying a non-muslim country”

          The nation of Islam is currently occupying many non muslim countries using immigration as a weapon. Every Western nation has muslim migrants. Many of them want Sharia law in the Western nations where they have settled. Many of them despise non muslim values.

          Name ONE Islamic contribution to modern science, art, literature, medicine.

          {crickets chirping}

        • Wellington says

          Dec 24, 2015 at 11:41 am

          No Muslim country, Sabri, is militarily capable enough to occupy a Western nation. I might add that virtually any modern military equipment any Muslim country possesses is of Western origin, so non-productive are Muslim lands. And do you think that but for Western technology any oil would be extracted from Muslim countries fortunate enough to have petroleum deposits? Look at any modern technology any modern Muslim country has and you will readily see that the Islamic world had to borrow it from the non-Muslim world which is so much more productive than the Islamic world. Even you must acknowledge this when you look at things like planes, cars, trains, radios, TVs, computers, modern medical technology, satellite technology, refrigeration, air conditioning, telephones, et al. The Islamic world has had virtually nothing to do with these inventions and developments.

          Muslim countries for centuries have produced almost nothing and the so-called glorious medieval period is way overblown To the extent there was achievement it was due a great deal to borrowing from others like Byzantines and Sassanians or by Muslims who were for the most part quite secularized. After Muslim clerics really got a stranglehold on Muslim societies from around 1200 A.D. onwards, the Islamic sphere of mankind went into desultory, non-productive mode which is where it remains to this day. Islam does terrible things to the mind, not the least being the crushing of free and independent thinking. Muslimthink not only disallows thinking outside the box but it even prevents a great deal of intelligent thought within the box.

          Go ahead and prove me wrong with what I have asserted. Give it a shot. Damn, I’d be ashamed to be a Muslim. Islam not only stifles technological development but it has contributed NOTHING to true freedom and real equality under the law. My God, what a dismal record Islam has produced for century after century after century. Pathetic.

        • bernie says

          Dec 25, 2015 at 12:20 am

          Sabri: here’s a quote from an American observer.

          “Yes, our drone strikes do sometimes accidentally kill innocent people, and yes, this does undoubtedly create new enemies for the West in general and for the U.S. in particular. However, we would not need to use a single drone in Afghanistan or anywhere else, if there were not a death cult of devout, extremist Muslims who are making life miserable for millions of innocent people, and posing an unacceptable threat of violence against open, pluralistic societies.”

          Amongst the groups he alludes to, one can think of ample examples such as ISIS, al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al-Shabbab, al-Nusra, Hezbollah, Jemaah Islamiah, al-Shayef and Hamas. One can also think of numerous terrorist attacks such as 9/11, the Beslan School Massacre in Russia, the Madrid train bombings, the London bus bombings, the Boston Marathon Bombings, the attacks in Ottawa, Canada,the Mumbai Massacre in India, the recent atrocities in Paris, France and California, U.S., the attacks against innocent shoppers and students in Kenya, the Boko Haram attacks and murders in Nigeria, the terrorist bombings in Bali, Indonesia, the ISIS atrocities in the Levant and North Africa, the bombing of the Russian airliner, and plenty more. That doesn’t even include ones which have been prevented.

  11. citycat says

    Dec 23, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    No surrender on all fronts is the normal way to deal with a bully.
    Give in once to keep the peace and the other foot will follow through the door.
    Islam has given religion a bad name. It has drawn attention to not only its own atrocities but those of other religions, albeit they’re in the past, sticky mud has been thrown, all is exposed- is that in the Bible?- There’ll come a time when all sins(?) will be known. Something like that, foreseeing the internet?
    Communication is a weapon.
    You can get arrested for using or carrying such a weapon.

  12. G179 says

    Dec 24, 2015 at 3:40 am

    When he says damage, he means damage to the image of Islam. To him, it’s the only thing that counts.

  13. bernie says

    Dec 25, 2015 at 12:41 am

    citycat: it’s true that certain groups such as the KKK and the Westboro Baptist Church, as well as some Jewish zealots, traduce the Christian and Jewish faiths. However, such groups have mostly been marginalized and strongly scrutinized and condemned by the majority of mainstream Christians and Jews. Islam needs more of that kind of reform.

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