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UK: Muslim rape gang found guilty of sexual grooming of 14-year-old non-Muslim girl

Dec 21, 2015 4:31 pm By Robert Spencer

The judge said they treated his court with “contempt and arrogance.” Of course. They don’t consider themselves bound to respect the laws or legal system of unbelievers, “the most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6). They consider what they did to be perfectly justified: according to the Qur’an, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50). The Qur’an says:

O Prophet! We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have paid their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses of those whom Allah has given you as spoils of war (33:50).

Qur’an 4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general. The Qur’an says that a man may have sex with his wives and with these slave girls:

The believers must win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or those whom their right hands possess, for they are free from blame. (Qur’an 23:1-6)

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“Muslim Rape Gang Found Guilty of Abusing White Girl,” by Liam Deacon, Breitbart, December 21, 2015:

Eleven of fifteen Muslim men charged in May with the sexual grooming of a 14-year-old girl have been found guilty, after the judged said they treated his court with “contempt and arrogance”.

The girl was “raped in car parks, parks and churchyards” in the small town of Keighley, near Bradford in the North of England, the court has previously heard.

“In 40 years of practice, I have never seen a dock that has been as insolent and disrespectful as this one. I have the poorest of opinions about the defendants”, blasted Judge Roger Thomas QC at Bradford Crown Court, where the verdict was passed.

In a unanimous verdict following a seven-week trial, ten of the men, aged between 19 and 63, were found guilty of rape and an eleventh was found guilty of sexual activity. One defendant was also found guilty of raping a second under-age victim in 2009.

The court has heard how she was called a “little white slag” and a “white bastard” as she wept on the floor and was raped by five men in succession on one occasion.

The jury also heard that the girl was passed around the men by a “nasty” 17-year-old drug dealer named Ahmed Al-Choudhury, who was described as the “ring leader” of the Muslim rape gang.

He allegedly first raped her in a churchyard when she refused to continue making drug deliveries for him when she was still a virgin. Mr. Choudhury was not one of men standing trial, however, and is thought to have fled abroad.

The eleven defendants will be sentenced on February 5, along with a twelfth defendant, Khalid Mahmood, 34, who previously pleaded guilty to five counts of rape.

According to the Sun, Judge Thomas praised the police, saying: “This has been a very considerable exercise for the police.

“The victim was missing from home and school so often – it seems to be accurate that police and other agencies were doing their best to try to exercise some control over the victim.

“They were met with an unhappy young girl who was in a vulnerable position and unable to take their help.”…

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  1. ICH says

    Dec 21, 2015 at 4:43 pm

    I wish Dexter was real

  2. BlueRaven says

    Dec 21, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    Fking animals. A 63 years old raping together with an 18 years old a 14 years old girl, and they think they are all king-shit. Sick fking animals.

    I hope you can read this Obama – this is what Islam does to anyone’s brain. If they weren’t Muslims, they would been disgusting like I am. There goes my proof, that Islam makes people mentally sick.

    • Carolyne says

      Dec 22, 2015 at 8:16 am

      I think Obama is aware of the laws of Islam, being one of them and all….

  3. worldcitizen1919 says

    Dec 21, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    This is just another example showing that Islam is not for today’s society and its laws such as shariah and holy war must give way to the modern era.

    Rape is common to all societies and cultures universally and it is not the fault of the Quran just as child sexual abuse by Catholic priests who groomed children for sexual gratification known by the Church and covered up, is not the fault of the Bible.

    “15 Whoso doeth right, it is for his soul, and whoso doeth wrong, it is against it. And afterward unto your Lord ye will be brought back.”

    Excerpt From: Pickthall, Marmaduke. “The Meaning Of The Glorious Quran.”

    • Paul says

      Dec 21, 2015 at 6:16 pm

      Were the violent abrogated verses included in Pickthall, Marmaduke.
      “The Meaning Of The Glorious Quran”?

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Dec 21, 2015 at 8:33 pm

      Not “glorious”.

      ACCURSED.

      Mr Bahaii sand-thrower, please cease and desist from all further attempts, in this forum, to promote and defend the very same vile cult of which your own is the deemed-heretical offshoot, and whose orthodox adherents mercilessly persecute your fellow-cultists (Bahaiis) wherever they can get at them (most notably, in Iran, but not only in Iran).

      You are dealing with people who know every nauseating detail of the Religion of Blood and War and are totally repelled by it.

      We know what Mohammed did, said and approved…including the bedding of poor little nine-year-old Aisha, and the enslavement and rape of Rayhana, and the enslavement and rape of Safiyya (after he had had her husband tortured to death; he raped her **the very same day**, may his name be erased). We know how he sent the assassins after Abu Afak and Asma Bint Marwan and Kab bin Ashraf and we know about the poor old woman whom he had ripped apart by two camels. He makes us vomit. We detest and despise him, and his death-worshipping cult of blood and war. We know what *he* thought was ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ and we know it doesn’t bear any relationship at all to what most of the rest of humanity regards as right and wrong. We know that Muslims feel entitled to seize and rape the *wives* of non-Muslim men…yes, they take **other men’s wives** and they (the Muslims) think that raping another man’s wife, kidnapping her and raping her, is not adultery. Because the Muslims, who are accursed and deceived, think that the marriage vows of non-Muslims need not be respected. PUKE. SPIT. Bloody Islam sacralises **adultery**…stealing another man’s wife…if that wife and that other man are not Muslims. ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ PFFFFFT. Islam doesn’t know the meaning of right and wrong.

      Go away and stop making excuses for a crime syndicate that is mixed up with a full-on human-sacrifice cult that thinks murder and rape are acts of *worship* and please their hideous ‘god’, who is no god but a demon.

      • Ashley says

        Dec 21, 2015 at 11:53 pm

        Wish there was a “like” button!

        Excellent rebuttal!

      • Kepha says

        Dec 22, 2015 at 10:02 pm

        Good one, dear DDA. Late in life, my dear father felt admiration for the Bahai fiath; but then pointed out that it carries with it a lot of baggage from its Twelver Shi’ite Muslim roots. He knew enough about Islam to be repelled by its love of war.

    • Western Canadian says

      Dec 21, 2015 at 8:52 pm

      If and when the west manages to trip over the concept of JUSTICE, criminals like you will be facing charges for your vicious and dishonest efforts to justify what the koranimals are guilty of, as you are just as guilty, and just as criminal as they are. You sicken and disgust any decent human being.

    • Ashley says

      Dec 22, 2015 at 12:10 am

      SCAT!

      Yes…there is no denying that priests raped children. The difference is that the scandal has been exposed, and the Archdiocese needs to clean house and fork up funds to the victims.

      What do the girls get for their ordeal when Islam is in the mix?

    • Westman says

      Dec 22, 2015 at 1:28 am

      I’ll be kinder and address the fundamental problem which was honestly stated by Worldcitizen:

      “This is just another example showing that Islam is not for today’s society and its laws such as shariah and holy war must give way to the modern era.”

      You are very correct about the first part – Islam is not for (is detrimental to) today’s society. However you seem to be unaware that it is unable to cause that, “its laws such as shariah and holy war must give way to the modern era”, because Muhammad sealed off future prophets by declaring himself and the Quran to be the last word of Allah. Without authority from “Allah” Muslims cannot change the cannonized ideology which includes justification for sexual slavery, “holy” war, and a host of attrocities.

      To make matters worse, Muhammad said anyone leaving Islam should be killed; which is the main reason few leave the fold. Imagine how many more Christians there would be if leaving Christianity meant any Christian is licensed to kill the Apostate?

      I would like to hear any scenario or method of which you can perceive that will bring about the conformity of Islam to the modern world. Our “leaders” are certainly unable. Give it a shot?

      • Kepha says

        Dec 22, 2015 at 10:08 pm

        The modern world is all that superior? Evolutionary materialists, in the names of social justice, liberation, and a host of other little manufactured gods killed roughly 170,000.000 in peactime in the 20th century alone.

        The kinder, gentler modernist also weeps rivers of tears over some axe murderer on a death row somewhere–or even a steer going to a slaughterhouse–yet would brutally execute a child simply for being inconvenient to the sexually irresponsible with no due process of law at all, and call it “a woman’s right to choose”.

        Again, after reading the Old Testament through for the umpteenth time, I’m just primitive and superstitious enough to think that our Western civilization is heading for its own version of the Babylonian captivity, or worse.

        • Westman says

          Dec 23, 2015 at 12:18 am

          In spite of all the hedonism, America will pull together when they actually believe their freedom and self-determination are at risk.

          Fortunately, WWII ended before we became the absolute killer of nations. We were bombing German and Japanese civilian cities to ruin. All restraints had been exhausted. If Japan and Germany had not surrendered we would have continued until all resistance stopped even if it was total genocide. That is the destruction of which we proved we are capable.

          When I said modern I meant the scientific developments that have given us temporary prosperity and relative safety. This long period of no real sacrifice has created the uber liberal attitudes that make the country weak, fooling new generations into believing that competing civilizations and ideologies will allow it to continue without aggression.

          I don’t like some of the things done for convenience, like ending pregnancy, but this is not a theocracy and it shall never be one, whether Islamic or any other. Religionists have tried to inject a POTUS into the White House to enforce their own agenda and it failed. The fastest growing religion in the world is secularism, employing freedom and self determination, not Islam or any other. This is the reality.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 22, 2015 at 4:23 pm

      More from the repellent apologist “worldcitizen1919”:

      This is just another example showing that Islam is not for today’s society and its laws such as shariah and holy war must give way to the modern era.
      ……………………………

      Why don’t you take that up with pious Muslims–rather than the decent Infidels here at Jihad Watch?

      Of course, he will not.

      More:

      Rape is common to all societies and cultures universally and it is not the fault of the Quran just as child sexual abuse by Catholic priests who groomed children for sexual gratification known by the Church and covered up, is not the fault of the Bible.
      ……………………………

      This apologist acknowledges that Shari’ah and JIhad are indecent in the modern world (actually, they were always indecent)–then claims that this has nothing to do with the Qur’an. This makes no sense.

      More:

      “15 Whoso doeth right, it is for his soul, and whoso doeth wrong, it is against it. And afterward unto your Lord ye will be brought back.”

      Excerpt From: Pickthall, Marmaduke. “The Meaning Of The Glorious Quran.”
      ……………………………

      This is Qur’an 41:46.

      But this apologist will not tell you what “right” and “wrong” are in Islam–“right” includes raping sex slaves:

      “The believers must win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or those whom their right hands possess, for they are free from blame.”

      Qur’an 23:1-6

      And “wrong” includes withholding compassion from Islam’s victims:

      “The fornicatress and the fornicator – flog each of them with a hundred stripes; and do not let pity for them hold you back from carrying out God’s law.”

      Qur’an 24:2

      Pretending that “right” and “wrong” mean the same things to pious Muslims and to decent Infidels is nothing but the most disgusting Taqiyya.

  4. Robeaver says

    Dec 21, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    Look forward to the sentence, hope it’s at least life,

  5. Matthieu Baudin says

    Dec 21, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    “…’The victim was missing from home and school so often – it seems to be accurate that police and other agencies were doing their best to try to exercise some control over the victim… They were met with an unhappy young girl who was in a vulnerable position and unable to take their help…”

    Though the overall verdict is good news, hopefully the comments (above) by the judge concerning the welfare agencies and police roles won’t set a pattern of whitewashing the apparent criminal neglect in scores of other cases yet to come before the courts.

    Still, a victory’s a celebratory achievement, time to break out the lemonade and chocolate, for at last some of the truth is displayed, out there in bold print, for all the world to see.

  6. Alan Fontana says

    Dec 21, 2015 at 6:05 pm

    Their executioner should be female.

    • Tiredofstupid says

      Dec 21, 2015 at 6:21 pm

      They won’t be executed, they will be sentenced to 2 or 3 years in a muslim controlled prison where they will be honored and celebrated and will be out in a few years when they will continue to rape little white girls while the multi-culti politicians will continue to pretend to do “something” and ignore it.

      • Paul says

        Dec 21, 2015 at 6:29 pm

        Sadly, too true.

    • Arthur says

      Dec 21, 2015 at 9:59 pm

      With so many attempts at multiculturalism in the UK, perhaps they should adopt a punishment drawn from the culture of the guilty.

      For example, Muslim 16:4131 might make a beautiful example and possibly showcase the glories of following Mohammed and even might be seen as a deterrent for future similar crimes by others.

      They were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died. Muhammad had two killers put to death, not in the way of “an eye-for-an-eye,” but in a more agonizing manner.

      • Arthur says

        Dec 21, 2015 at 10:01 pm

        …except for the part about the sun. That may not be practical considering the weather in the UK…

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 22, 2015 at 4:31 pm

        That would never be a penalty for pedophilia and rape of unbelievers, which is perfectly Halal.

  7. vlparker says

    Dec 21, 2015 at 6:18 pm

    Was the judge POd because they raped the girl or because they were insolent and disrespectful? Does the judge expect rapists to be polite?

    • Michael Copeland says

      Dec 22, 2015 at 3:08 am

      British judges, like senior clergy and most politicians, are woefully ignorant of Islam and its tenets. The subject was never touched on when they were being educated. Worse, politicians have “people we can go to” about Islam. Of course, they are kept unaware of taqiyya.

  8. citycat says

    Dec 21, 2015 at 7:00 pm

    Now if infidels did the same with a Muslim girl the Muslim community might sort out the infidels, or use it as a propaganda tool for the Islamic drive.
    Infidels are seperated by various differences, religions, class, etc
    Muslims are more cohesive.
    Muslims are fully aware of their situation in the high street, mall, etc, and are fully aware of the infidels lack of awareness of Islam that is smiling with brainwashed disguised contempt upon the infidel who is purchasing from said Muslims.
    Generally speaking.

    • Carolyne says

      Dec 22, 2015 at 8:45 am

      I believe a judge in the UK did give a Brit more time for raping a Muslim girl because it hurt her sensibilities more than a native Christian girl.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 22, 2015 at 4:36 pm

        Yes–this appalling story is here:

        “UK: Child molester gets longer sentence because victims were Muslim”

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/uk-child-molester-gets-longer-sentence-because-victims-were-muslim

        Notice that the perp here is Muslim–just like in the case above.

        This sends the message that Muslim men should go on assaulting young girls–but should just target the “filthy Infidels”.

  9. abad says

    Dec 21, 2015 at 7:04 pm

    The UK needs to start deporting these subhumans. They simply do not belong in the western world at all.

  10. Joseph says

    Dec 21, 2015 at 7:32 pm

    Maybe Obama would like to give these guys a room in the W.H., right next to his daughters and (cough, cough) wife.
    See how much he loves Islam then.

  11. David says

    Dec 21, 2015 at 7:42 pm

    The UK needs a death penalty for these SAVAGE muslims who persist in raping little girls. I’m certain there is a long list of men lining up just to PULL THE SWITCH on these savage and barbaric animals!

  12. Western Canadian says

    Dec 21, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    We can only hope that when this sub-animal vermin (truly devout muslims who live and rape and steal and murder by the koran) start doing the same things in the US, that the decent citizens show the rest of the world how to deal with sub-animal child raping muslims. And it does not consist of inviting them over for tea and crumpets.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Dec 22, 2015 at 2:53 am

      They started some time ago. They are “hard at it” as we write.
      See their faces in Colorado, Tennessee, and Minnesota at “Child Sex Gangs” on LibertyGB
      http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5676-child-sex-gangs

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 22, 2015 at 4:44 pm

      It’s already started here, Western Canadian:

      “Muslim Rape Gang in Rhode Island”

      http://pamelageller.com/2015/10/muslim-rape-gang-in-rhode-island.html/

  13. madmemere says

    Dec 22, 2015 at 2:56 am

    May the Honorable Judge Thomas give ALL these heathens a sentence of “life in prison”, without parole and refuse any and all appeals.

  14. RICHTHOFEN says

    Dec 22, 2015 at 3:55 am

    At least 30 years must be handed down to each, with immediate deportation with sentence to be served in the state to which deported. If they claim to be British, then exile them – up to them where they go, then. However – just wait and see – the sentences will be pathetically apologetic and £000s of public money will be spent on appeals – they will be back polluting our streets within a couple of years – that is how pathetic British law and kow-towing to islam has become – driven and controlled, of course, by the EU(SSR) and their appeasing, capitulating, non-qualified Court of Human Rights – and our Quisling Camoron has caved in to their every demand – We must get out of the corrupt EU now!

  15. Sergio says

    Dec 22, 2015 at 5:51 am

    At least in Argentina, rapists get raped in prison. I don’t know if this is also the case in the UK. However, bearing in mind what I have read in the British newspapers, I am afraid that these rapists will be welcomed as pious and exemplary Muslims by the British inmate population, which is overwhelmingly Muslim.

    • wallace says

      Dec 22, 2015 at 10:38 am

      Sergio, i am so happy to let you know that our Muslim convicts are very well looked after in the U.K while doing a bit of prison Dawa.In several Cat A prisons non-Muslims are being forced to pay “jizya”. If sniffer dogs are used in cell searches Muslim prisoners are given fresh clothes and bedding. Muslim sex offenders, of which there are quite a few , are asking to be exempt from a prison treatment programme because the idea that “criminals should not have to talk about their offence” is a legitimate Islamic position. Tax payers money has been well spent in rebuilding prison toilets so Muslims do not have to use them while facing Mecca.Any other concerns will be quickly dealt with i am sure.

      • Kepha says

        Dec 22, 2015 at 10:14 pm

        Straining at gnats and swallowing camels–as the Messiah himself said.

  16. Baucent says

    Dec 22, 2015 at 7:27 am

    Note the racist element to the crime. She was targeted specifically because she was white. So there there is a seething racial supremacist motivation along with the lust.
    I hope the Judge dishes out a very long sentence for these low lifes, then deports them to Pakistan.

  17. Napoleon Bonaparte says

    Dec 22, 2015 at 7:57 am

    Viking Trance – Smart Dog Video (right-wing atheist artists)

  18. bigduv says

    Dec 22, 2015 at 9:35 am

    To all – When you are answering, agreeing with, or criticizing someone, please state who you are commenting about.

  19. Emjay says

    Dec 22, 2015 at 11:05 am

    Might I suggest readers visit their Public Libraries and see if they can read The Anatomy of Violence: The Biological Roots of Crime by Adrian Raine in Saturday’s Times Review and the The Observer

    The Anatomy of Violence by Adrian Raine – review
    A surprisingly entertaining study of genetic disposition to crime poses challenging moral questions
    Is rape an act of hate? Why are you 100 times more likely to be killed on your birthday? Might a casual Mars Bar prompt you to commit murder? And why should you steer clear of men with long ring-fingers? These and other equally intriguing questions are posed here by Adrian Raine.
    The book is subtitled “The Biological Roots of Crime” and the larger part of it is an extensive and, despite the grim subject, entertaining account of the physiological factors that may have a role in antisocial behaviour. Some, Raine argues, are evolutionary in origin. Rape, for example, may be an aspect of an instinctive male drive to reproduce his genes as widely as possible (the correct interpretation of the “survival of the fittest” criterion). In support of this disturbing hypothesis, he cites the fact that a statistically high number of rape victims are attacked at their peak reproductive age. And yet, of course, at this age women are also likely to be at their most attractive, though Raine also suggests that rapists do not necessarily pick victims for their sexual allure. Most rapists come from the socially disadvantaged backgrounds, a fact which is also, rather unconvincingly, pressed into service in the evolutionary theory (undominant males allegedly having to cheat the system in order to spread their genes). But social disadvantage surely promotes a sense of inferiority, which seems at least as likely a catalyst for crimes like rape.
    Raine has spent three decades researching a subject that may have serious implications for criminal justice and crime prevention. He describes his own conversion to respect for biological determinism from an initial flirtation with the theories of RD Laing, who argued that psychotic states were induced purely by deficiencies in familial environments. The studies cited by Raine range widely. Examination of the prefrontal cortex – an area of the brain exclusive to humans and responsible for emotional control – indicates that it malfunctions in violent criminals. More recondite researches suggest that disruptive schoolboys have lower resting heart rates and women deficient in iron during pregnancy may have children with higher than usual levels of manganese in their system, which, in turn, apparently predisposes them to greater aggression.
    Raine gives due weight to psychological and social elements in the cocktail of factors which may tend to violence. Countries such as Denmark and Japan, where income equality is high, have lower murder rates – as do those where fish consumption is high. In addition, it seems the Beatles were right and that all you need is love, as cultures that place a greater value on love than financial success (though where these paradises are located remains unclear) also have lower rates of violent crime. And in one of many droll case studies we learn of the “Twinkie defence”, when the sugar rush supposedly induced by a brand of cake was successfully used by lawyers acting for the man accused of the murder of gay US politician Harvey Milk. Parents keen on restricting children’s sugar intake will be confirmed in their resolution.
    As Raine points out, the research raises big questions. If our actions are caused by physiological factors beyond our control, where does that leave free will and how does that affect the penal system? If we can anticipate violent adult crime by screening children for conditions such as a low resting heart rate, should we then monitor them to avert later catastrophe? If a genetic disposition that tends towards criminal outcome is detected, should that person be denied the right to have children? Is early vitamin B deficiency a sufficient defence against murder? The moral position is challenging.
    Raine gives examples where genetic dispositions have had both positive and negative outcomes owing to differing social environments. Long ring-fingers in men indicate higher than usual testosterone levels, but this of itself does not lead to aggressive behaviour. It simply adds to the likelihood. And Raine is careful to point out that such anomalies can also have a role in acts of unusual courage, even heroism.
    The book makes fascinating reading, though I could have done without the jaunty, hail-fellow-well-met style. “Don’t you sometimes find that Christmas is just a bit too much?” “Killing is one thing. Striking your wife across the face is another.” Indeed. And in case you’ve not yet worked it out, you are more likely to die on your birthday because the rate of infanticide at the time of birth is alarmingly high. The Anatomy of Violence is a sobering reminder that for all our cultural pretensions, we are also at the mercy of our biological systems. The potential for violence is an aspect of our humanity – a potential easily aroused.

  20. Walter Sieruk says

    Dec 22, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    Those six Muslims who composed the gang of thugs who raped the young girl are despicable. Furthermore,their brutal and vile actions of heinous evil that happened not in Pakistan but in Great Britain. This is the outcome of the British government being to kind yet so foolish to allow so many Muslim enter into England. Maybe Donald Trump does had a good idea about putting a stop of Muslim immigration into the United States until the US government officials involved in the protection of American citizens are be able to handle the topics of the problems different kinds of Muslim violence and the threats and dangers of Islamic terrorism.

  21. Falsafa says

    Dec 22, 2015 at 3:47 pm

    to the general public who may be reading this blog and the comments provided above by this motley crew of Islam haters: There is no way that such horrific crimes can be condoned by any religion including my own. The comments expressed above are pure slander and bigorty – their hate blinding them to any logic and reason.

    http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.ch/2011/01/facts-about-rape-in-islam.html

    • Kepha says

      Dec 22, 2015 at 10:24 pm

      Perhaps, Falsafa, you’re a decent person with whom I’d gladly share a kebab and a cup of tea (or beef jiaozi, from the end of the Islamic world I know best). I followed your link, but saw nothing that protects the Kufr woman or girl Ior boy, for that matter). Suppose one of these rape gang members, speaking Urdu or Pashto or Bengali, tells you, “Look, we’re in unjust, racist, imperialist Britain; migrating to plant Islam there. The Kufr girl was ‘what my right hand possessed’. How was I wrong to enjoy her?” How would you or one of the ‘Ulema whom you cite reply to him?

      • Falsafsa says

        Dec 23, 2015 at 3:12 pm

        likewise Kepha – no one is kufr, all persons are equal in terms of human rights and those that justify their evil deeds like the ones described this article should have their head examined but not before being brought to justice. Any bunch of lunatics can justify anything using any scripture. Any reputable scholar of Islam would clearly state that this is evil a crime and is strctly against religious teachings.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Dec 23, 2015 at 7:49 pm

          No one is kufr all persons are equal. So much for Islam! So much for shari’a! Congratulations on your own personal Islam, the rest of us have to deal with Islam
          as the Muslim World understands it

          If “no one is kufr” why is so much of the Qur’an and Sunnah concerned with the kaffirs then? Why is Islam all about distinguishing between the house of Islam and everyone else? Why is there no equality of law for non-Muslims under shari’a? How do you explain 48:29: “Muhammad is God’s Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” 58:22: “You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they be their fathers, sons, brothers or kindred.” Not to mention 5:51 forbidding friendship with Jews and Christians or you are apostate. What is the legal penalty for apostasy?

          “Islamic faith is based on the separation of Muslim and kafir and that the kafir is an enemy of Allah forever until he embraces Islam discarding his kufar, Allah has forbidden the believers from pledging any allegiance to the kuffar or showing them any affection even if they were their fathers, brothers, children, kinsmen or their spouses as stated in 58:22.”

          “One of the basic principles of belief in Islam is that we must believe that every Jew, Christian or other person who does not enter Islam is a kafir…and regarded as enemies of Allah, His Messenger aand the believers, ands that they are the people of Hell.”
          –Islam Q&A

      • Falsafa says

        Dec 23, 2015 at 3:37 pm

        likewise Kepha – Any reputable scholar of Islam will tell you exactly what is in the reference provided. these men are evil and should be brought to justice….there is no such thing as a kufr person…all mensch have inaliable rughts regardless of race color or creed amd again any reputable scholar of Islam will state that. These evil men should have their head examind but only after they have been brought to justice!

    • Jack Diamond says

      Dec 23, 2015 at 12:04 am

      All these sources are Islamic, in fact these stories of Muhammad and his companions are recounted proudly (whereas many Muslims today are ashamed of them and deny them at all costs).

      Muslim soldiers had sex with captured females. This is called rape. Captured women and children were considered booty, or spoils of war (the title of a chapter of the Qur’an). The Islamic army was largely financed by selling slaves. Sura 4:3 “Marry women of your choice, two three four; but if ye fear ye will not be able to deal justly with them, then only one or a (captive) that your right hands possess that will be more suitable.” Sura 23:16 says “abstain from sex except those enjoined to them in the marriage bond or the (captives) whom their right hands possess.” That which your right hands possess “ma malakat aimanukum” refers to slaves. “Some of the Companions of the Apostle were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, “All all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess”. That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.” (Sura 4:24). Get that? Sex with captive wives in the presence of their husbands (their marriages were magically abrogated). Islam allowed sex with captive women, this is how Muhammad’s men understood it, this is how ISIS understands it. Is that slander and bigotry or an Islamic fact? Are these the actions of a man of God?

      Muhammad took the Jewish woman Safiyah for himself after killing her father and husband at Khaybar. She spent that night in his tent after being forced to marry the murderer of her family. Think about that. “Abu Ayyub passed the night girt with his sword, guarding the Apostle and going around the tent until morning The Apostle saw him and asked what he meant by his action. He replied, ‘I was afraid for you with this woman, for you have killed her father, her husband and her people.” (Ibn Ishaq Sirat 516-517).

      According to Tabari (vol 39, 194) Muhammad had a slave girl Mariyam (the Copt) “he used to visit her and ordered her to veil herself but he had intercourse with her by virtue of her being his property.” Muhammad had sex with a slave who had no choice in the matter. Is this a man of God? Slavery is deeply embedded in Islam because Muhammad allowed it and shari’a sanctions it. Muhammad is al-insan al-kamil, the ideal man, and uswa hasana, the model of conduct for Muslims. What Muhammad said and did are sunnah. “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision.” (33:36). Rape. Slavery.

      Do you want to argue with Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim concerning he consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was 9 years old? Is that slander and bigotry or an Islamic fact? Is that the act of a man of God? We are just scratching the surface on “horrific crimes” condoned, commanded, and carried out in the name of Allah and Muhammad by those following piously the core texts and teachings of Islam. Deal with it.

      • Falsafa says

        Dec 23, 2015 at 3:54 pm

        Jack – here are several analysis on the topic of Aisha from scholars of Islam – as you will recognize after listening that the practices at that time were normative applying to jews and christians as well so lets not try to judge the 6th 7th century norms with 21st century standards… same applies to and such…when was slavey abolished in the western hemisphere? mid to late 19 century! So I am dealing wih it – question is are you?

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FM4IuDVFL3s
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=StISnUEVkaM

        • Falsafa says

          Dec 23, 2015 at 3:55 pm

          correction….same applies to slavery and such….

        • Jack Diamond says

          Dec 23, 2015 at 7:52 pm

          Since you don’t bother addressing the Islamic sanctioning of rape–of captive women and of slaves–I assume you are conceding the point. Good, because it is irrefutable. This is not something “historical” and consigned to the distant past, it is, like Jihad itself, ongoing till the Day of Judgment. It is part of the “war” doctrine of Islam (the kaffir is even called a “harbi”). What you have to explain is how the Seal of the Prophets, the ideal man, the model of conduct for mankind, allows the rape of captive women and takes part in it himself? Think about what you are admiring and worshipping. Thug Muslim men grooming and gang raping kaffir girls or waging “rape jihad” in places like Sweden, feel absolutely justified based on examples from Islamic history, from stories of the “best of Muslims”, from Qur’anic doctrines of hate and enmity toward disbelievers (al baraa), from clerics telling them we are at war with Islam (meaning our women become “war booty”).

          What kind of God would permit rape, Falsafa? Did Muhammad not have sex with Rihanna, hours after beheading her husband? Is that different than the ISIS fighter raping a Yazidi girl and telling her he was “doing worship”?

          The problem with Aisha, as I’m sure you know, is that it is not a mere historical episode from the 7th century we can dismiss as some outdated custom no longer relevant.

          That is the BIG difference between Islam and things in the Hebrew Scriptures that are limited to their historical context and no longer relevant to Jews or Christians today.

          Islam is what Muhammad said and did. Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old child (he was 53) who had been playing with her dolls on a swing before he called her in. Muhammad is the example of conduct, he is the reason one of the first things Khomeini did in the new Islamic Republic of Iran was lower the marriage age to…nine. Muhammad is the reason for child marriages (and child abuse) up and down the Muslim world. How many young girls have been damaged physically and emotionally from this? Countless. That you want to deflect the matter with a tu quoque argument (“you do it too!”) only reinforces that you find something wrong with it. Does the Prophet of God not know enough to have sex with a child? Why is it wrong now if it wasn’t wrong to him then? Is he not the arbiter of morality?

        • Jack Diamond says

          Dec 23, 2015 at 8:04 pm

          Islam Q&A: Marrying a young girl before she reaches the age of adolescence is permitted in sharee’ah; indeed it was narrated that there was scholarly consensus on this point. “And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise.

          {65:4} In this verse we see that Allaah has made the ‘iddah in the case of divorce of a girl who does not have periods – because she is young and has not yet reached puberty – three months. This clearly indicates that Allaah has made this a valid marriage.”

          It is understood that Iddah (stipulated waiting period) is required if sexual contact has occurred within the marriage. A woman who has not been used for sex should not have to observe any Iddah. This is a clear indication marrying pre-pubescent girls and having sex with them is sanctioned by the Qur’an. The Qur’an in verse 33:49 states that no ‘Iddah is prescribed for a woman who has not had intimate contact with her husband.

          Tabari 14/142 “The interpretation of the verse “And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise”. He said: The same applies to the ‘idaah for girls who do not menstruate because they are too young, if their husbands divorce them after consummating the marriage with them.”

          After CONSUMMATING the marriage with them (those too young to menstruate). Like Aisha. So no more games. Admit you have a problem and seek help.

          Islam also affirms polygamy, a great cruelty towards women. Islam also allows husbands to beat their “disobedient” wives (4:34) another opening to great cruelty towards women. Christianity permits none of this by the way. The Jews and Christians never permitted marriage before a girl had attained maidenhood. “It is not only fornication, but also the giving in marriage prematurely, that is called fornication; when, so to speak, one not of ripe age is given to a husband, either of her own accord or by her parents. (Clement of Alexandria, IX.-Fragment of the Treatise on Marriage, Early Church Fathers – Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume II).

          Where does slavery still exist today? Muslim Africa. The Islamic State. Saudi Arabia only formally made slavery illegal in 1962. 1962! Under pressure from the United States. It still goes on by other names there. Who invented the slave trade in Africa and ran the great slave markets? The Arab Muslims. Who populated the harems?
          While Christians were at the forefront of the movement to abolish slavery in the West (look up Wilberforce) it is not possible to abolish it from Islam because slavery is permitted in shari’a. So the Islamic State (and Boko Haram has joined it) have slavery as part of instituting the full shari’a. And what is the source of this slavery in Islam? Muhammad who had slaves, traded in slaves, had sex with slaves. Does that makes slavery worship, Falsafa? Slavery, good or bad? Moral or immoral?

    • ballotcode says

      Dec 23, 2015 at 1:38 am

      Then why has Sweden become the rape capital of Europe with a disproportionate number of offenders being Mohamedan? This seems to be a trend.

  22. Kepha says

    Dec 22, 2015 at 10:11 pm

    Naaaaaa. The lions and tigers want horsemeat, or perhaps pork, not man-sized cockroach.

  23. ballotcode says

    Dec 23, 2015 at 1:33 am

    Choudhury
    Must run in the family.

  24. Oliver says

    Jan 9, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    I have a question-for those in England.

    In British prisons, are child/under age (of victim) abusers/rapists kept in the general population (of the prison).?

    And do the prisons have (like those in the US) a sort of scale of crime, with child/under age rape being the lowest; wher eother prisoners try to upgrade the prison by killing the pieces of useless shiit?

    Asking

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