“Donald Trump has caused further outrage,” screams the ever-craven Daily Mail, “by claiming more British Muslims join Islamic State than the Armed Forces” — and good upstanding British subjects are outraged, too: “…as a petition demanding he is banned from the UK hit 525,000 signatures.”
Wow, that Donald Trump is really out of bounds now, right? There’s just one problem: the Daily Mail itself reported the same thing on June 17, 2014, contradicting its claim below that this information dates from August 2014. Newsweek reported it as well. So did the New York Times.
Will there now be petitions to ban New York Times and Newsweek reporters from the UK? Will the Daily Mail ban itself?
“Now Donald Trump claims more British Muslims join ISIS than the Army as number of people signing petition to ban him from UK soars above 525,000,” by Mark Duell, Martin Robinson and Matt Chorley, MailOnline, December 11, 2015 (thanks to Pamela Geller):
Donald Trump has caused further outrage by claiming more British Muslims join Islamic State than the Armed Forces, as a petition demanding he is banned from the UK hit 525,000 signatures.
The 69-year-old US Republican presidential candidate tweeted a link to a magazine article last night that referenced the claim, which was based on figures from England’s first Muslim MP.
Khalid Mahmood, the Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, said in August 2014 that there were about 2,000 British jihadis – a higher number than the Government’s estimate….

Irony Man says
After Jeremy Clarkson punched his producer in the face, it took just 2 days for a petition to allow him to keep his job, to reach over a million signatures. It’s taken over a week for this Trump petition to get only half that amount.
Theodoric says
I think I see where you’re going with that – but who do you want him to punch?
Mirren10 says
camoron. Or may.
Bamaguje says
I wager that far more Brits will sign on to a petition backing Trump.
Many would even insist UK adopts Trump’s common sense Muslim ban.
Simone Fields says
Please everyone – watch Pat Condell’s latest vblog on YouTube about Trump.
Ann says
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107516
Please Brits who follow this and other anti Jihad blogs, send this petition against ‘ further immigration into the UK until IS is defeated’ to all your contacts who are on the same page. The petition is already at more than 460,000 so let’s beat the anti Donald one. Thanks.
duh_swami says
Trump causes outrage among UK Mahoundians…Well someone has to do it.
\If T May bans him now and he becomes president later, banning him will have consequences for UK.US relations.
Let tge Mahoundians howl, that and killing people are what they do best…
Douglas Sydney Australia says
unarmed people
not just people, they have to be a certain type.
Geraldine says
Apparently there’s a counter petition, favouring Trump, that has almost as many signatures on it. But for a chance mention on a news-commentary programme, I wouldn’t have known about it and I still haven’t come across it to sign. So much for the British media.
Michael Copeland says
The counter-petition mysteriously “lost” 30,000 signatures.
Liberty GB 10 December at 12:47 ·
“The online government petition to allow Trump to come to Britain hit 50,000 signatures a few minutes ago, but has just now dropped back to 20,000…..this is a government petition and the government is deliberately interfering with it because they don’t like what they are seeing, which is the sign of a real dictatorship, not a democracy.” ·
https://www.facebook.com/LibertyGBParty
DeMolay says
I can confirm this. When I signed it was at over 46,000 and when I checked the next day it was under 30,000.
Ann says
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107516
Here it is Geraldine. Please forward it to your contacts who are on the same page. It is nearly at 500,000 signatures. We must supersede the anti Trump petition.
JawsV says
This outrage is highly amusing to me as I’ve been saying for 10 years we have to stop letting in the Muslims. But, I’m just a private citizen, so no one knew. This is old hat to me! Yes, stop letting them in, a no-brainer. Never thought I’d see the West committing suicide.
old white guy says
It has been an outrage for me for a long time. in fact I am outraged that any person who has to rely on welfare is even allowed in the country, let alone those who wish to kill us.
John Boston says
Yes, the West is committing suicide, for it will not see the enemy already inside the gates. I honestly don’t know if we can win this war.
duh_swami says
The elite at the top and their numerous henchmen, know the gates of internal jihad are open…They opened them and keep them open….This is treason, but few will call it that and no one will do anything about it…
undrbed cat says
I often contemplate what the FBI director thinks when he knows who is suppressing infomation, so I am impressed by him, since it seems he knows as duh_swami, says that someone opened’ the gates of internal jihad”, and I agree it aids to subversion and is treason.
That the “ban Trump from U.K.” petition has signatures number of signatiure that at first concerned me, then I realized that the U.K. has a “huge” population of muslims, enough to suppress and worry their “leaders”, who have for prevention of protest and sudden jihad have silenced the many citizens who are concerned from speaking without getting arrested for hate crimes. If Loretta Lynch didn’t send a chill, no one could.
It show however,Trump is unraveling the protection of an insidious ideology.
In my neigborhood I saw a mpac labeled car, at another house young bearded men many nice vehicles, coming and from one house, once a tunic dude visitorat the house next to it, rental trucks, strange confluence of weird… worrisome fear.
el cid says
The old story–It’s “Islamophobic” to quote the Muslims if the quote reflects badly on their image.
It’s “Islamophobic” to state facts if the facts reflect badly on the image of Islam.
Outrageous! 🙂
Adrian says
Trump-hater Brits: Ready…. Shoot…. Aim !
quick, send in all your foot-bandages….
Myxlplik says
I can’t wait to watch the debates, Trump has so many honeypots set up it’s going to be interesting.
Jay Boo says
Surreal groveling
Let’s not hold Muslims accountable and criticize them — for murdering our fellow citizens because that will cause them to want to murder us.
KnowThyEnemy says
I have been hearing about this petition page from the moment it was launched and as of two days ago it had ~530,000 signatures. Today it has 557,000 signatures (See this link). It means that only 27000 additional people signed it in the last 36 hours. Apparently the majority of activists signed it early on and now the only people signing it are the latecomers.
What are the chances that the petition will gather more than 600,000 signatures?
What this tells us is that there are ~600,000 active Muslim activists and Muslim-apologists in the UK! Interestingly, there is a link to a map on the petition page that shows where the signatures come from. In other words, the darker areas are where these activists are based at.
I don’t know what to do with all this information but I thought I should present this analysis just in case others know how to use it.
Angemon says
Not that the mail, being a tabloid, cares about consistency or facts.
Sally says
Trump really speaks to the sort of Yankee doodle snobby brits love to hate.
By the same token it appears America also needs to come to terms with the archetype for once and for all.
Matthieu Baudin says
There must be a mass outbreak of ‘Lemmingitus’ to the west of the English Channel.
More Ham Ed says
A must-watch NEW Pat Condell video:
We Want The Truth
B&C USSA says
Only the people of the book(Jews & Christians) are offered the choice of dhimmitude, all other infidels have 2 choices: convert or die.
Ralph says
In 2011 Sunni Muslims accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third year in a row.
Over 5,700 incidents were committed by Sunni Muslims, responsible for nearly 56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of 12,533 fatalities.*
Another 24 percent of the fatalities are on Shi´a Muslims. So in 2011, Muslims were responsible for 94 percent of the fatalities in terrorist attacks. Since 2011, with ISIS on the scene, the number of the fatalities –victims of the Muslim terrorist attacks- sharply grew, together with Muslims´ share in the world terrorism that is steadily closing in on 100%.
In 2013, according to the US Department of State, a total of 9,707 terrorist attacks occurred worldwide, resulting in more than 17,800 deaths and more than 32,500 injuries. In addition, more than 2,990 people were kidnapped or taken hostage. Information about perpetrators was reported in source materials for 32 percent of terrorist attacks in 2013.
And of these 32 percent, or 17,800 deaths, only three Muslim terrorist groups, namely the Taliban, ISIS and Boko Haram, were responsible for 5,655 fatalities, or for 31.76 percent! That means that 31.76 percent out of the 32 percent of terrorist attacks which had reported information about the attackers were perpetrated by only three Muslim terrorist groups, out of a good 50 more that exist in our turbulent world!
Muslim terrorists can be proud: their share in world terrorist attacks is now close to 100%.
Seems there is not a single country where Muslims would not show their true colors… But no! There is such a country. It’s one of the most developed countries on Earth, and its democratic nature is recognized worldwide, a true ally of the USA and a member of NATO. However, with all this, there was not a single terrorist attack perpetrated by Muslims in this country. Moreover, there was not a single, even minor, riot, disturbance or protest, no matter how many citizens of this country support cartoons of the prophet Muhammad published in some Danish newspaper or in a French magazine.
The name of this lucky country is Japan.
Of course, Japan achieved this by some super effective integration policy, through using the most advanced technologies and assigning billions of yen on the building of thousands of mosques and Islamic schools all over Japan, banning pork in all public places, introducing separate hours for boys and girls in swimming pools in all public schools, and Japanese male doctors do not dare touch their female patients, Muslim women get immense social aid each time they have a child, Shari´a courts were introduced in the judicial system of Japan, and the Koran is considered a Holy Book in Japan…
No, nothing of the kind. What Japan did to avoid problems related to Muslims was much simpler and cheaper; Japan is practically closed to Muslims.
Officially, immigration to Japan is not closed to Muslims. But the number of the immigration permits given to the applicants from Islamic countries is very low. Obtaining a working visa is not easy for adepts of Islam, even if they are physicians, engineers and managers sent by foreign companies that are active in the region. As a result, Japan is “a country without Muslims”.
There is no reliable estimate on the Japanese Muslim population. However, claims of thirty thousand made by some researchers are without doubt an exaggeration. Some claim that there are only a few hundred. This probably amounts to the number of Muslims openly practicing Islam. Asked to give an estimate on the actual number of Muslims in Japan, the ex-president of the Japan Islamic Association Abu Bakr Morimoto replied, “To say frankly, only one thousand. In the broadest sense, I mean, if we do not exclude those who became Muslims for the sake of, say marriage, and do not practice then the number would be a few thousand.”
One of the leaders of the Muslim community in Japan, Nur Ad-Din Mori, was asked: “What percentage of Japan’s total population are Muslims?” He responded, “The answer at the moment is: One out of a hundred thousand.”
Japan’s population is 130 million people, so if these Muslim leaders are correct, then there must be around 1300 Muslims. But even those Muslims who obtained immigration permits and lived many years in the country have very poor chances of becoming Japanese citizens.
Japan officially forbids exhorting people to adopt the religion of Islam (Dawah), and any Muslim who actively encourages conversion to Islam is seen as proselytizing to a foreign and undesirable culture. Too active “promoters of Islam” face deportation- and sometimes even a jail sentence.
The Arabic language is taught by very few academic institutes; I could find only one such institute: The Arabic Islamic Institute in Tokyo. But even the International University of Japan in Tokyo does not offer courses on Arabic or Islamic languages.
Importing the Koran in Arabic is practically impossible, and the only one permitted is the “adapted” version in Japanese.
Until recently, there were only two mosques in Japan: Tokyo Jama Masjid and Kobe Mosque. Now, the total number of Muslim praying sites in Japan is counted in some 30 single story mosques and about a hundred apartment rooms set aside for prayers.
And Japanese society expects Muslims to pray at home: no collective “prostrating” in the streets or squares; in Japan, for such “shows” the actors can get pretty high fines, and in those cases Japanese Police consider “serious”, the participants can be deported.
Quite often, Japanese companies seeking foreign workers specifically note that they are not interested in Muslims.
There is not even a trace of a Shari´a Law in Japan, and halal food is extremely difficult to find in there.
The Japanese tend to perceive Islam as a “strange and dangerous religion” that a true Japanese should avoid, and the recent murders of two Japanese nationals, Haruna Yukawa and Kenji Goto, by ISIS have not contributed to any improvement in the opinions of the Japanese on this matter.
And the most interesting thing in the Japanese approach to Muslims is the fact that the Japanese do not feel any guilt for such a “discriminatory” approach to Islam, and they evidently do not think they should apologize to Muslims for the negative way in which they perceive their religion. Arab gas and oil- yes, and Japan maintains good relations with Arab exporters. But Islam – no, and Muslim immigration– neither. Islam is something that is suitable for others, not for Japan, and therefore the Muslims must remain outside.
And Muslims in Japan do not riot, they do not brand the Japanese “racists”, they do not burn cars, smash windows, behead Japanese soldiers for having been in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else on Earth – and not a single Japanese has been victim of a Muslim terrorist attack on Japanese soil in the last 30 years.
Maybe Europe and the USA should look at the Japanese model of dealing with Muslims more closely?
Elton says
Sounds like a very racist country and obviously bigoted towards political correctness. I think I’ll move there.
JAS says
Millions of Americans agree with Donald Trump about musllims. In fact, anybody with at least two grey cells to rub to gether would have to agree. Muslims are Ignorant, backward, barbaric, primitive savages. Most people know that and support Trump, all but the bureaucrat/political/leftist/media scum. They are bought and paid for sycophants.
JAS says
Mr Trump is saying exactly what the majority of US voters want to hear, and THAT is why he is going to win. Americans are not as conditioned to accept rule by our betters as are the Brits. PC bureaucrats and PC news media are distorting the campaigns to fit their preferred narrative. If it were actually up to the voters, Trump would be the next president without a doubt.