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Bishop of London: Christian clergymen should grow beards to reach out to Muslims

Jan 23, 2016 10:16 am By Robert Spencer

Great idea, Richard. Maybe also Muslim clergymen could start wearing crosses to reach out to Christians. But of course that will never happen. The “outreach” always and in every case goes one way, and one way only. Richard Chartres here quotes St. Paul: “I become all things to all men that by all possible means I might save some.” But he doesn’t really want to save Muslims, i.e., challenge them with the truth, much less call them to Christianity. He just wants to welcome and “affirm” them, to show what a diverse, multiculti fellow he is.

Christian clergymen in the West are generally confusing appeasement and fear with charity and respect, and instead of recognizing the grave threat to Judeo-Christian Western civilization, they are welcoming in those who would destroy it and shaming and ostracizing those who are trying to sound the alarm. They preach “respect” (which is really just naked fear in clerical robes) in the face of radical, violent supremacism and intolerance, thereby enabling and encouraging that supremacism and intolerance, having completely forgotten that they’re supposed to be playing a prophetic role and calling injustice and evil what they are. They are betting the future of the Church on the success of a chimerical “dialogue” with Muslims that has never accomplished a single thing other than to make the participants feel good about themselves: “dialogue” has not prevented one Christian from being persecuted or one church from being ransacked. They are standing by complacently and abetting the destruction of the West and the Church in the West. They are blind guides.

Richard Chartres

“Vicars should grow BEARDS to reach out to Muslims in their areas, says Bishop of London,” by Katie Louise Davies, Jenny Stanton, and Steve Doughty, Daily Mail, January 22, 2016 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

Clergymen should grow beards to emphasise their holiness to Muslims, the Bishop of London has suggested.

Rt Reverend Richard Chartres said the modern fashion for facial hair should not be the preserve of hispters, but would also be likely to impress those from Eastern cultures where wearing a beard could mark a man out as holy.

He singled out two priests in Tower Hamlets – the Rev. Adam Atkinson, Vicar of St Peter’s church in Bethnal Green, and Rev. Cris Rogers of All Hallows Bow – who have grown bushy beards.

Writing in the Church Times, Rev. Chartres, who himself sports a ‘modest’ beard, said: ‘The discovery that two of the most energetic priests in east London had recently grown beards of an opulence that would not have disgraced a Victorian sage prompted me to look again at the barbate debate throughout Church history.

‘The two priests work in parishes in Tower Hamlets. Most of the residents are Bangladeshi-Sylheti, for whom the wearing of a beard is one of the marks of a holy man.’

He said the desire of the clergy of Tower Hamlets to ‘reach out to the culture of the majority of their parishioners can only be applauded’.

He went on to say that David Beckham – who he describes as the ‘nearest thing to a secular saint’ – has ‘stimulated countless imitators’.

One of the priests praised by the Bishop of London, the Rev. Atkinson told The Telegraph he found having a beard had helped provide a connection with many people in his parish, around 85 per cent of whom are Muslim.

He said he was persuaded to grow a beard by the staff at his local pub, the Hound Dog Barbers on Hackney Road.

He said he had forged new links with people after growing his facial hair.

He explained: ‘It is an icebreaker – St Paul said “I become all things to all men that by all possible means I might save some”.

‘In our area there are three main groups, the poor, the “cool” and the Muslims and beards cover at least two groups reasonably well.’

The second vicar – the Rev Rogers – told the newspaper he was approached by a man who told him he respected him because he had a beard.

The man went on to tell him his beard showed dedication and commitment to something and it showed wisdom….

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  1. Peter says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 10:21 am

    And why not taboo rug burn on your forehead, too? Preach hatred, and you’ll be more closely aligned with your future Muslim overlords.

    • DP111 says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 11:54 am

      Lets ask all women to wear a hijab to reach out to Muslim women.

      This also has the added advantage that it gives them some protection to women from Muslim men.

      • nacazo says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 3:42 pm

        Yes, FGM will help feminists reach out to the islamist. They will become more civilized after hearing they are doing FGM and support their rights to whatever.

        /sarc off

      • JMB says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 4:55 pm

        More seriously how about women’s groups in the churches invite local Muslim women to church activities, a morning tea, a tennis morning or a Bible study or am I in fantasy land?

    • mortimer says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 3:19 pm

      Bishop Richard Chartres wears a ‘George V’-style beard or the ‘George-V-cut’.

      Muslims wear the ‘jihad-cut’ beard which is distinctively Muslim so that jihadists will not accidentally kill one another during battle.

      The ‘jihad-cut’ beard is as much a MILITARY beard style that supports SUPREMACISM as wearing Nazi insignia is a MILITARY style that supports the master race theory.

      Muslims who wear the ‘jihad-cut’ beard are sending the message that they support VIOLENT ISLAMIC SUPREMACISM.

      This is not a reasonable style for Christians or others unless they want to play with the minds of the jihadists.

    • Shane says

      Jan 24, 2016 at 10:15 am

      Maybe he should advocate stoning gays, transgenders, and adulterers to reach out to Muslims! How about killing blasphemers and apostates to reach out to Muslims.

      • Shane says

        Jan 24, 2016 at 10:16 am

        Oh wait, liberals already enforce Islamic blasphemy laws through hate speech laws. Sorry about that!

  2. Chabuco says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 10:22 am

    Non-Muslim clergymen should give fellatio to Muslims to reach out to them

    • Panmelia says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 12:06 pm

      Why not, Chabuco, it would be just as disgusting and humiliating as the suggestion this half-wit batty bishop has made about beards. He should be made the first to cram his gob.
      Yes, let’s kowtow to muslim prejudices, let’s bend over backwards to placate and please them, let’s encourage the further islamisation of our country. We’ve given in to so many demands, why not go all out and suggest British women should wear black bin bags to avoid being felt up by muslim perverts who can’t control themselves. It might have worked in Cologne!
      I can hardly express my outrage at the sheer ignorance and stupidity of this fool and his vacuous suggestions. You’d think he would have learned a lesson after one of our more moronic archbishops suggested a few years ago that we should allow the practice of sharia law in this country. I and many others sent him letters of such ferocity that they probably scorched his own silly beard off his face. He had to apologise for upsetting people.
      We might as well disestablish the Church of England in the UK because it’s neither use nor ornament. It is too dim to see that islam is a threat to this country and the whole world and we should NEVER appease our enemies!!

      • PRCS says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 2:12 pm

        Cram his gob!

        Heh.

        • jean mccandless says

          Jan 23, 2016 at 6:54 pm

          I agree stupid man cant he see the danger they pose its people like him that are stopping people from going to church

      • Marcus says

        Jan 27, 2016 at 8:13 pm

        The question I often ask myself is why is the Queen the Defender of the Faith? Does that include ALL faiths, or is it just the Christian Faith. Why then doesn’t she call in the PM and tell him to introduce laws that are more compatible with Christianity and to stop non-Muslim immigration. Non-Muslims only have an average of 2 children, whilst Muslims make babies like it is the new rule. With a very short time, the UK IS GOING TO BE MUSLIM.

        • ECAW says

          Jan 28, 2016 at 6:03 am

          Marcus – As I understand it the monarch is still the defender of the faith, meaning the Protestant faith although I think Catholics can now marry into the Royal Family. Prince Charles did once say that he wanted to be the defender of all faiths, which rather defeats the original point.

          Regarding what the queen should tell the PM to do, foreigners often seem to have an exaggerated idea of her power, which is almost none, being only a constitutional monarch. It is the PM who tells her what laws are to be passed. Unfortunately it will take many more atrocities, perhaps even something approaching civil war before the PM puts forward some sensible curbs on Islam and Muslims.

    • martin marprelate says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 3:56 pm

      Many of today’s priests and clergy would not find this to be an unwelcome form of outreach.

  3. ECAW says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 10:27 am

    Yes, he’s deeply embarrassing, and made to appear all the more foolish by Robert Spencer’s succinct summing up.

  4. sammy says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 10:31 am

    So this clergyman puts physical appearance before the Gospel. An indication he must be in the wrong job,”fashionister”would be far more appropriate in his case.

    A poor apology for a follower of Jesus, who did not compromise Gods ways for mans.

    • ICH says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 10:45 am

      well said sammy

      this dude is a lost puppy

      “vicar” or not

  5. sammy says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 10:40 am

    btw Facial hair to any Muslim is a mark of his maleness and manhood, which indicates a major difference between men and woman, who are viewed as unequal properties of men, who can be beaten into submission if they disobey their husbands. Men after all as the Quran states, have a degree over women, who are viewed as tilth, to be used as and when the passion dictates.

    • Tim says

      Jan 25, 2016 at 1:36 pm

      I’ve been to the Middle East. In Muslim countries, it’s mainly the fundamentalists and the clerics who wear beards. The majority of regular Muslims are shaven. It’s a sign of piety first and foremost.

  6. Angemon says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 10:49 am

    Vicars should grow BEARDS to reach out to Muslims in their areas, says Bishop of London

    Rabbis have been growing beards for centuries now – how’s that been working out for Jews?

    • Linde Barrera says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 12:31 pm

      To Angemon- Very good point about rabbis, beards and Jews.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 3:40 pm

      Spot on as well, Angemon.

    • abad says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 8:56 pm

      Rabbis keep their beard clean and neat.

      Muslims don’t.

      Next stupid question please…………..

    • Kema says

      Jan 24, 2016 at 1:17 am

      Very very perfect observation.

  7. Rev g says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 10:53 am

    There is tradition regarding beards and holy men, especially in some Jewish and Orthodox Christian sects.
    My own long hair and trimmed beard are just personal choice. If anyone accused me of reaching out to muslims with it I would go back to clean-shaven and high-and-tight just to disprove the notion.
    Islam is not friendly to my beliefs.

    • gabi says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 11:54 am

      Please, the Orthodox Church is not a “sect” – the Orthodox Church lives for 2000 years since Christ and St. Paul and never changes it’s dogma or tradition! You may say the rest of Christian churches are sects, but NOT the Orthodox one (if you want to be very-very scrupulous)! And yes, the Orthodox clergymen wear beards also for 2000 years! So what? What matters the beard? This is not the point; the point is the Bishop of London (and every Christian man) should wear Christ in his heart&actions, not a beard on his face!

      • rev g says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 12:27 pm

        Despite your protestations, the Orthodox church in whole or as represented by its hierarchal member churches, are sects. The word sect comes from the latin secta, meaning an organized religious body or organization, from Latin, meaning a course of action or way of life.
        http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sect

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 3:43 pm

        The word sect is not intrinsically pejorative–any more than is the word denomination.

    • Christianblood says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 12:33 pm

      Rev g posted

      (…There is tradition regarding beards and holy men, especially in some Jewish and Orthodox Christian sects…)

      That is true. Orthodox monks/clergy/ascetics, Jewish holy men,Hindu holy men and even Animistic Shamans in traditional cultures grow beards but in Protestant and Roman Catholic clergy in the Western world, beards are frowned up on. Can’t understand why? I remember a number of years ago local Orthodox people (in Eastern Europe) making fun of Catholic & Protestant clergy/missionaries there accusing them as nothing more than secular office workers and unspiritual sacrilegious pointing their clean-shaven faces and their worldly manners etc.

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 3:47 pm

        There is nothing intrinsically holy–or its opposite–about the wearing of beards. It is just facial hair.

        If one’s conception of religious commitment and holiness is based on how often one visits one’s barber, that conception is pretty shallow.

        • Christianblood says

          Jan 23, 2016 at 5:29 pm

          gravenimage

          It may so in the West but in the Orthodox East and in many other religious traditions holy men are expected to grow beards and it signifies detachment, disconnectedness to the mundane issues of world and deeper dedication to the inner spiritual life. Please watch these holy men. One is Hindu, the other Christian and both renounced the world, experienced the mystery of God in a personal way and grew beards:

          Christian holy man
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhGEcwBtVS8

          Hindu holy man

        • Arona says

          Jan 24, 2016 at 5:51 am

          The Only upshot will be
          ONE HINDU AND ONE CHRISTIAN HEAD DETACHED FROM TRUNK…Duh!

      • abad says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 9:01 pm

        Let me guess.

        It’s a Roman (heritage) thing – amIright?

        🙂

        • DFD says

          Jan 24, 2016 at 3:43 pm

          abad says “It’s a Roman (heritage) thing – amIright?…”

          Indeed, you may say that we are by civilization Romans, and by culture Christians. Please don’t point out that that the two terms are synonymous, I am sure it’s obvious what I am saying. And so as not to be offensive, I acknowledge there’s a bit of Greek and Judean heritage as well.

          Delando Islam

  8. Stipe says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 10:59 am

    He should read book “The Bridge on the Drina” by Ivo Andric.

  9. Dan Jones says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 11:01 am

    I am so sure they will stop killing infidels if we grow a beard…

    More End Time News At:
    http://www.shininginthedark.com/?page_id=4526

  10. grace says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 11:08 am

    And women should grow big hairy monobrows????

    • Carolyne says

      Jan 24, 2016 at 10:28 am

      I’ve noticed among Muslim women who just wear that headscarf thingy that they have mustaches. These are really hairy people–both sexes.

  11. Neil Jennison says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 11:21 am

    Fucking Muppet!

  12. Marty says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 11:23 am

    The Anglican Church is steadily abandoning Christianity in favour of any
    anti conservative movement. Notably socialism & islam.
    As an atheist I regret this, since Anglicanism has served the UK well for
    those people who feel they need organised religion.
    The previous Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, showed his
    ignorance/contempt for English law, when he proposed incorporation
    of sharia law into UK law.
    A developed nation with a proud history is prostrating itself before an
    alien third world heathen ideology which has given the World nothing, beyond
    perfecting the slave trade.

    • Christianblood says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 8:49 pm

      Marty wrote

      “The Anglican Church is steadily abandoning Christianity in favour of any
      anti conservative movement. Notably socialism & islam.
      As an atheist I regret this”

      Thank you Marty, you are a person of conscience. There are many atheists who are now realizing that the fact that they can’t fight islam with atheism and the best way to stand up for Western civilization is to revive and resurge Christianity in the West. Have you thought about that?

      • DP111 says

        Jan 24, 2016 at 8:54 am

        You make a valid point. One cant rebut Islamic doctrine with atheism. The antidote is Christianity – the founding faith pf Western civilisation.

  13. Adrian says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 11:32 am

    No, what Christian clergymen should really grow is a set, and speak the truth, for once!

    • Kepha says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 7:48 pm

      Speaking of which, William Tyndale, Hugh Latimer, and Nicholas Ridley all had pretty strong sets and beards as well! Then again, they lived in the 1500’s, too.

  14. Free Bacon 4 All says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 11:42 am

    The next thing will be the clergymen should start having sex with goats!!!! Is this man kidding or is he insane????!!!

    • DFD says

      Jan 24, 2016 at 3:50 pm

      You need to ask? Obviously insane – oh dear, that means he could be a Muslim….

      Delando Islam

  15. Cecilia Ellis says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 11:49 am

    “Clergymen should grow beards to emphasise their holiness to Muslims, the Bishop of London has suggested.”

    And the wives of Anglican vicars should don hijabs . . . to emphasize their holiness to Muslims . . .

    “The man went on to tell him his beard showed dedication and commitment to something and it showed wisdom….”

    Just like Osama bin Laden . . .

    What a disgrace to the 2000 years of Christian heritage that honors truth and courage inspired by the Holy Spirit! The Bishop of London has relinquished his role as a shepherd who protects his flock. As such, he now enables the tyranny of a supremacist, violent ideology to pursue its ravenous, uninhibited destruction of courage in the face of evil. Resistance to evil is obedience to God; anything less merits complicity. Chartres, among others, should resign.

    • JMB says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 5:12 pm

      It is Sunday morning here in Sydney, most Christian churches, including ours will be struggling just to keep their doors open. 98% Of white Australians will not be in a church, they will be seeking the many pleasures of this world, sports, coffee shops, going to the beach, recovering from last night’s drinking binge or just taking it easy.The churches here seem to be totally unable to reach out to the “unchurched: Australian population, how will we ever be able to reach out the the Muslim invaders? I don’t think our outreach to anyone will be helped by our pastors growing beards.
      Last Friday, every mosque in Sydney (There are many of them) would be very well attended, most of them would have been full to capacity. Is there a message in this for the rest of us? Yes, if we had had a strong Christian church either here or in the UK no politician would have even thought of allowing the Islamic influx.
      In the meantime the Church must have a lot on it’s agenda, let me think, Child sexual abuse, the gay marriage debate, appointment of feminist lesbian pastors and now dialogue or should I say compromise with Islam.

      • Cecilia Ellis says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 8:13 pm

        JMB, when I first read the article, one image continued to permeate my thoughts as I read the quoted statements of Chartres: 21 Coptic Christians beheaded on Libyan shores. That image remained with me as I posted my original comment. Upon reading your reply, I was reminded of the ISIS video capturing their martyrdom and the crimson-red flow of their blood mixing with the Mediterranean Sea . . . a beach scene. How sad that we know the name of the Bishop of London, but we do not know the names of those 21 Christian martyrs.

        Unless I missed it, I do not recall that they engaged in “dialogue” with their executioners; instead, they conversed with their God . . . our Lord. It was not their failure to have bushy beards that cost them their lives; it was the Name of Jesus, the last Word on their lips and in their hearts. Those 21 are the true vicars, the true holy men, and every five minutes around the world, another Christian man, woman or child joins their ranks. As Robert Spencer says, “‘Dialogue’ has not prevented one Christian from being persecuted.”

        At this stage, one wonders how Chartres, as well as other prominent religious leaders, can garner any respect within the Christian arena while refusing to address the blatant evil inherent in Islamic canonical texts.

        • JMB says

          Jan 24, 2016 at 5:09 am

          Thank you Cecillia Ellis (Above) and dumbledoresarmy (below) for your replies. I always appreciate a response to my comments, encouraging or otherwise. It has been a long day here attending to an unwell family member and as such time prevents me from giving any further response but you have both raised many interesting issues.
          This whole debate about Islam needs to be taken to the wider public and community, but we are not allowed to say anything negative about Islam here in Australia or in most western nations.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 11:58 pm

        So? Where were *you*? You state “It is Sunday morning here in Sydney, most Christian churches, including ours will be struggling just to keep their doors open..”.

        You say ‘ours’. You belong to a Christian congregation? Were *you* in church?

        I think your claim that only two percent of Australians attend church is somewhat exaggerated. On what is it based? Did you just pull the figure out of the air, or can you give a link to some hard data?

        Operation World says that *regular* church attendance in Australia has been running at about 10 percent. I’m not sure whether that was ten percent of the pool of ‘persons who tick the Christian box’ or ten percent of the total number of people in Australia.

        *I* was in Sydney for many years and during that entire time I often attended church *twice* on a Sunday…besides a bible study group on Fridays. Our church was *packed full* of mostly students and young adults (who then became young parents). It was an evangelical Anglican congregation with a succession of fine preachers. It’s still thriving, with two or three services a day.

        So be careful with the gloom and doom. The church has been pronounced dead-beyond-rising on many previous occasions.

        As for comparisons with church attendance vs mosque attendance…. you *are* aware of the apostasy law of Islam?

        A Christian who in the modern western world doesn’t attend church – or who falls away from the faith entirely and chooses another faith or declares themselves atheist – is in NO danger of being pursued and murdered by assassins from among his / her former co-religionists.

        No-one is told “be in church, OR ELSE”.

        And given, on top of that, all the competing pursuits on offer, one must conclude that in places like modern Australia the people you *do* see in church these days are the people who are making a deliberate decision to be there, people who are “going against the flow” of the Zeitgeist. In other words – despite the well-publicised antics of persons such as this Bishop in London – there *is* a solid core of believers in the modern western world, people who are in church worshipping because they actively *choose* to be there, rather than because of mere fashion or because of compulsion.

        But a Muslim who comes under suspicion of having left Islam – which suspicion might arise, if said Muslim didn’t rock along to a mosque every now and again – is in very real danger of getting killed, because of the apostasy law of Islam. And if not killed outright, then threatened, harassed, ostracised, thrown out of their family home, rejected and divorced by their spouse…

        If there were NO apostasy law, how many Muslims would remain in the Allah Gang?

        Of course, the ‘pull’ factor that no doubt keeps many in Islam (and lures many criminals and losers to its ranks) is that in many ways Islam shamelessly panders to, sacralises and unlooses a great many of humanity’s basest and most ugly urges – lust, rage, hate, greed/ covetousness (wanting to take other people’s stuff), the desire to lord it over and dominate and *abuse* other people…. So long as the ‘designated prey” (i.e. non-Muslims, and deemed-insufficiently-Islamic or wrong-sect Muslims) are targeted for robbery, rape, torture, murder, etc, it’s all good to go…

        A thief who encounters the Christian gospel is told to repent, STOP thieving (period) and get an honest job so s/he can start working…and not only earn a living but start giving to those in need. A thief has to stop being a ‘Taker’ and become a ‘Giver’.

        Whereas a thief who encounters Islam …well, he can follow the example of Mohammed’s banditti ‘Companions’…and go off to Syria and join the Islamic State and rob the Christians and Yazidis to his heart’s content, knowing that his ‘robbery for allah’ is fully approved of and blessed.

  16. Westman says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 11:50 am

    Grow a beard and be loved by Muslims who have been commanded not to take infidels as friends. How can Clergy be so uninformed? Bolt down the candlesticks.

    I found myself reflecting upon why the Europeans are governable under Democracy and were cooperative enough to form the EU and why Muslim countries are ungovernable under Democracy. I might be off a bit but here is a few thoughts:

    Though personally an Agnostic, I’m thinking that it was the Christian influence, learning from the tragedy of unproductive wars, and the development of science that led to adequate food and prosperity. These factors allowed the conditions for civic law and the increased freedom of self-government.

    For Islam, civic laws and innovative thinking for oneself, bida, is prohibited which stunted scientific inquiry and still delays adoption of Western science and education. Islam was born in a zero-sum economy and adopted tribalism and theft as the means of economic improvement, hence Muhammad’s caravan robbing and the destruction and enslaving of other societies.

    A gradient of slavery and theft is at the core of Islam from the personal hogging of streets on prayer rugs to sex slaves taken from infidels. Islam is unique in that the “war” enemy, the infidels and particularly Jews, are permanently demonized in the ideology’s scriptural cannons and the war never stops until all worship Allah. The infidels are always permissible targets for exploitation in any way possible.

    Islam prohibits self-rule under man-made laws(Democracy) nor promotes the self-control of Muslim men when interacting with infidels. Democracy is impossible under Islam. It is an excercise in herding cats.

    • Panmelia says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 12:38 pm

      Westman, you know the truth. Unfortunately,so many millions here and in Europe have no idea of what islam is capable of, and will carry out if not opposed with all our strength, NOT appeased. This ignorance is due to vapid politicians repeating the lie “islam is a religion of peace” for years on end and being complacent about the threat it represents.

      It is the duty of all of us to inform ourselves about islam and its direct offshoot islamism. A good start is to read Robert Spencer’s books. Another useful book is “The Islamist”, the biographical account of a muslim boy who promoted jihad in 90s London and belonged to hizb ut tahrir before he became disillusioned with their violent creed. It’s a shocking read. Because of the failed policy of multiculturalism this ghetto boy had no idea that Britain belonged to the British people whose ancestors had created it through the labour and suffering of the white working class. No, he thought it was a political playground for his perverted religion to gain influence and eventually for islamics take over the State – Head of State the Queen, Parliament, Downing Street, the lot. They still stand around in the street now, shouting about the black flag of islam being hoisted over our government buildings.
      They have no idea that ordinary British people like me (who know the truth about them) would give their lives to prevent that happening. We have a spineless government as well as ridiculous bishops.

      • Panmelia says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 12:44 pm

        Corrections to above: “The Islamist” is an autobiographical book, written by Ed Husain.

    • Linde Barrera says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 12:58 pm

      To Westman- Excellent and succinct comments about the disgustingness of Islam. What really hurts me to my core is how millions of Muslims buy into the disgustingness of Islam.

      • Sam says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 2:02 pm

        “What really hurts me to my core is how millions of Muslims buy into the disgustingness of Islam.”

        Maybe they are disgusting themselves? If not all maybe majority?

    • Wellington says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 1:52 pm

      I agree. Westman. Christianity and Judaism place a great deal of emphasis on the dignity and worth of the individual and this works wonderfully well with such things as democratic tenets and independent thinking. Islam, by contrast, looks upon its adherents as slaves of Allah and those who are not adherents as something even worse. Can’t build free societies and independent thinkers with a theological blueprint like that——and taking a look at the Islamic world today overwhelmingly confirms this hypothesis. Unfortunately, much of the Christian clergy and not a few rabbis have gone into stupid mode about Islam and this can only work to the benefit of Muzzies and not free peoples.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 3:50 pm

      Excellent post, Westman.

  17. John says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 11:59 am

    Women too?

  18. oebele bruinsma says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 12:09 pm

    The ultimate stupidity of clergymen is beyond belief.

  19. Janeatte says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    Let Jesus wear short robe and belt of explosives and bomb on his head and reach Muslim and said I am Jehadist

  20. jayell says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 1:26 pm

    OK. So they should grow beards to appease the muslims. So they should also simultaneously wear turbans to appease the Sikhs, do their hair in dreadlocks to appease the Rastafarians, refuse to eat beef and wear Indian garb to appease the Hindus, wear the hats with the ‘sideburns’ to appease the Hasidic Jews in North London (there are still loads of them, unless the muslims have driven them out?), wear some kind of odd symbol round their necks to appease the Druids (there’s a string Welsh community in London)…..

  21. somehistory says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 1:27 pm

    James 4:4 says anyone making himself a friend of the world is making himself an enemy of God.

    Just imagine how God…the One they profess to worship…feels about this *reaching out* to the most gruesome group that would gladly kill these clergymen…beards or not.

    Having a beard is one thing. Growing one to impress those who hate Christians…Jesus said anyone hating his brother is a murderer…and are killing Christians in an effort to wipe Christianity off the earth…is worse than stupid.

    85%…they are already surrounded by their human enemy and do not know it.

  22. BillWhit says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 1:32 pm

    Sounds like a Cowardly Bishop to me! If this comes from the Catholic Church, well, it would not surprise me! Replacement Theology is also big in some churches, denying what the Bible say, and trying to tell people that Homosexuality, bestiality, and other sick acts, that the Bible calls SINS and Abominations, are fine today, that God accepts those kind of sick, perverted acts today! Those churches will only get you in HELL, just like Islam will get you in Hell, where Allah/Satan awaits his followers and Sinners!

    • Frank says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 11:26 pm

      Hey, we in the Catholic Church have more than our share of loony clergy, but I think I’d have to do some serious research to find a recommendation as vacuous as Bishop Chartres’. It strikes me as not so much cowardly as utterly superficial, to the point of sheer stupidity. Pray for that bishop, rather than condemn him.

  23. gerard says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 1:33 pm

    Why doesn’t this clown just exchange all the crosses for crescent moons and replace the bible with the koran and be done with it?!!!

    • Sam says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 1:56 pm

      Agreed %100!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • jayell says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 2:33 pm

      They already did that at an Appeasement – SORRY!!! – ‘Community Cohesion’ service at the Parish Church in Waterloo, London, about a year or two ago. They read from the Qu’ran and (I believe?) actually prayed to ‘Allah’. A local prominent female muslim (with ‘opinions’, so it appeared) apparently had a lot to do with organising it. The vicar involved thought he was being very clever. I don’t recall seeing any report of a similar follow-up event in a mosque. Now, there’s a funny thing!!

      • gerard says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 5:06 pm

        Brave German Woman against Islamic prayer in Protestant Church! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqWUZSNrVcE

    • DFD says

      Jan 24, 2016 at 4:08 pm

      gerard says “Why doesn’t this clown just exchange all the crosses … be done with it?!!!

      Gerard, please, don’t give him any ideas.

      Delando Islam

  24. Desmond says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 1:52 pm

    Dhimmi idiot!

  25. mortimer says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    Richard Chartres should calm down and ask what is the meaning of the ‘jihad beard’.

    I’ll tell him: the ‘jihad beard’ is a MILITARY STYLE, rather that refers to MURDERING DIRTY KAFIRS during jihad.

    The reason Muslims have the clipped upper lip is DISTINGUISH them from dirty kafirs, rather than a symbol of ‘holiness’.

    The joke’s on Richard Chartres! He is woefully uninformed on Islam and yet he passes himself off as an expert. How can that be?

  26. mortimer says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    The clipped mustache is a sign of CRUELTY…not about holiness.

    The clipped mustache is the sign of a KILLER…just as wearing Nazi insignia is the sign of a killer and an apologist for the MASTER RACE THEORY.

    The Islamic beard and CLIPPED MUSTACHE is the sign of a KILLING JIHADIST and a JIHAD SUPPORTER.

  27. Michael F Poulin says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    All because Henry VIII wanted to dip his wick in his girlfriend and shitcan his wife. A church born of adultery can only produce adulterous offspring. Bishop John Fisher, pray for us!

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 3:57 pm

      Despite its beginnings, the Church of England (Episcopalian or Anglican Church) has done a great deal of good over the centuries. But a church is only as good as its current adherents, and all too many C of E clergy today are fools eager to appease the ugliness of Islam.

      But *not all*. There are some staunch Anti-Jihadists who recognize the evil of Islam, such as Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali.

    • Kepha says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 7:56 pm

      Sorry, Michael, but Henry VIII knew that his father had become king because he won the Wars of the Roses, which happened because an English king died without a male heir. There was a lot more at play than Henry’s being oversexed. And consider that Catherine of Aragon was getting old after giving Henry only Mary Tudor.

      Further, don’t sell me on Clement VII being such a fine and holy upholder of marriage. He’d bet on the French against Charles V of the Holy Roman Empire and Spain, then found Charlie’s army occupying Rome, with Charlie himself demanding that the Holy Father be sure that nothing untoward happened to cara Tia Katerina’s interests in England.

  28. Champ ✞ says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    Bishop of London: Christian clergymen should grow beards to reach out to Muslims

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Of course doing this would be an act of *dhimmitude* and cowering to evil islam …

    But for a Christian this is also *legalism*, and Jesus HATES legalism:

    “Why Jesus Hates Legalism”

    So, what is legalism? Legalism is an attempt to gain favor with God or to impress our fellow man by doing certain things (or avoiding other things), without regard to the condition of our hearts before God. At the root of legalism is the sin of pride, because the legalist thinks that he is able to commend himself to God by his own good deeds. Invariably, he is only looking at externals, not at his heart. Also, the legalist’s pride motivates him to exalt himself in the sight of others by his outward behavior, again neglecting to see the corruption of his own heart. Thus legalism denies human depravity and exalts human ability. As such, it is opposed to the gospel of God’s grace. That’s why both Jesus and Paul clashed with the legalists.

    Jesus hates legalism because it does not deal with the condition of our hearts before God.

    Christianity is primarily a matter of the heart. Everything flows from a heart relationship with God, who transforms our hearts when He regenerates us. The Jewish religious leaders seemingly were seeking after God, but in reality they were self-seeking. They didn’t see themselves as sinners in need of a Savior. They saw themselves as good people because they kept the Law. But in reality, they didn’t keep the Law because they didn’t apply it on the heart level. Thus, Jesus in effect said that if they would be as careful about clean hearts as they were about clean hands, then they would be what they ought to be.

    Excerpt here: https://bible.org/seriespage/lesson-57-why-jesus-hates-legalism-luke-1137-54

    Excellent essay by Steven J. Cole, pastor of Flagstaff Christian Fellowship, Flagstaff, Arizona.

    • gerard says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 5:21 pm

      Yes and of course Islam is nothing but legalism. There is no heart in Islam. What normal father would kill his own daughter because she didn’t want to wear a bin bag? Islam destroys humanity.

      • Champ says

        Jan 23, 2016 at 5:38 pm

        Spot on, Gerard.

  29. Tom says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    I am growing very weary of this discussions.

    I normally don’t use profanity but in the case of Muslims, I will make an exception

    I have to take a simpler route: tell them to FUCK OFF.

    • gerard says

      Jan 23, 2016 at 5:15 pm

      The nation is cowed. Your honest response is hen’s teeth in the Media et al and public discourse. But then these days you can be arrested for “slandering the Prophet of Islam”.

  30. Adrian says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    “Rt Reverend Richard Chartres said the modern fashion for facial hair … would also be likely to IMPRESS those from Eastern cultures where wearing a beard could mark a man out as holy.”

    This the problem with our suburban Church – they are more concerned with MAKING AN IMPRESSION rather than being a witness to the Truth.

  31. mike ryan says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 3:53 pm

    Why shouldn’t this yutz just yammer out the shahada and be done with it.

  32. gravenimage says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    Bishop of London: Christian clergymen should grow beards to reach out to Muslims
    ……………………

    Why don’t they just go all the way in their outreach to Muslims and convert to Islam? Damn idiots.

    More:

    He singled out two priests in Tower Hamlets – the Rev. Adam Atkinson, Vicar of St Peter’s church in Bethnal Green, and Rev. Cris Rogers of All Hallows Bow – who have grown bushy beards.
    ……………………

    Note that the Rt Reverend Richard Chartres doesn’t tell you what *else* is going on in the heavily Islamized Tower Hamlets–including threats and beatings of both Infidels and “insufficiently Islamic” Muslims who dare to breach Islamic norms?

    One man was left partially blind and with a dislocated shoulder after being attacked by a Muslim mob for smoking in public during Ramadan.

    A young gay man was attacked and permanently paralyzed.

    There is huge pressure on girls–Muslim and non-Muslim–to wear the Hijab.

    Does the witless Reverent Chartres believe that forcing girls to veil would be “reaching out to Muslims” as well?

    “Police ‘covered up’ violent campaign to turn London area ‘Islamic'”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8570506/Police-covered-up-violent-campaign-to-turn-London-area-Islamic.html

    • Panmelia says

      Jan 24, 2016 at 9:18 am

      Yes, it’s typical of our PC UK police to deny, lie and avoid “upsetting the muslim community”. Such is the cowardice and stupidity of those who are supposed to protect the innocent and vulnerable. It’s been going on for more years than I care to remember.
      Donald Trump was right when he said there were ‘no-go’ areas in the UK, but naturally he was howled down by our media and politicians. Their mantra is “Deny, Deny, Deny, and if that’s not working – LIE”.

  33. Mike says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    Lots of religious Jews have beards.
    That worked out really well in terms of Islamist outreach.

    PASS

  34. Champ says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    Robert Spencer wrote:

    Maybe also Muslim clergymen could start wearing crosses to reach out to Christians. But of course that will never happen.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    So true!

    • Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

      Jan 24, 2016 at 12:44 am

      Oh yeah? It looks like it already has happened: the “My Pillow” guy is an imam who, to reach out to Christians, has adopted kafir facial hair and jewelry:

  35. Infidela says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    Hi everyone

    I’ve been thinking that people who while not being muslims are pro-Islam are like those people in the west who supported communism during the 1930’s when Stalin was sending dissidents to gulags in the Soviet Union. Sam Harris calls them regressive leftists, but you know I think that they should be called Islamic fellow travellers. You should tell people that I’d rather be an Islamophobe than be an Islamic fellow traveller.

  36. Michael Warden says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    The ONLY way I would reach out to a muslim would be to get my hands round his throat. Once upon a time, children, there was an English town called Luton. See what happens when a team from Britain First walk down the High Street :

    http://www.britainfirst.org/

  37. Nimrod says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    I guess everyone in WWII should have worn hitler mustaches in an effort to reach out to the Nazis.

    This guy is yet another idiot who thinks that meaningless superficial gestures will somehow solve fundamental conflicts of ideology.

    An ideology like “kill the infidels” repeated and reinforced many times in scripture will not be solved by much of anything, much less superficial BS.

  38. Edwin1683 says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    Well, in their all-important job of impressing people, they’ve got the “cools” and the Moslems covered. What about their “third main group”, the poor? The best thing they could do for them would be to stand up against the Islamization of their neighbourhoods. The poor are surely the ones that bear the brunt of Moslem abuse on a daily basis, as the elites are far away in the wealthier areas. Fat chance they’ll ever do that!

  39. Macker says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    How about they all sing The Muslim National Anthem™ to reach out to the Mohammedans:
    الجميع بعقب اللعنة!
    بعقب! بعقب! بعقب اللعنة!

  40. Jack says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    If the Rt Rev Bishop wants to mimic the outward appearance as if its Halloween, to ‘reach out’, go for it. You should insist on joint prayer once at the Mosque and once at the Church.too. You will quickly discover If the Imam is sincere. TIP: they want you to change They have no iota to change. You’ve =s already begun to change and they already =started. As the Bishop of Mosul about =]x === == =====…..]ihadists or everyday Muslims in Mosul The penalty for apostasy

  41. Freddy S. says

    Jan 23, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    Let us reach out to Muslims by following the Islamic prophet Mohammed who married a 6-year old child and raped it at age nine. Sarcasm off.

  42. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 12:10 am

    This bishop needs to be sent, ASAP, three books written by a fellow Anglican, a parish priest – and formidably-erudite scholar and linguist – in Australia, Rev Dr Mark Durie.

    “The Third Choice” Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom”, its companion booklet “Liberty to the Captives” and “Which God?”

    Since his Diocese is full of Muslims, and his congregation *do* need to know how to 1/ survive without becoming Dhimmi in their mindset and 2/ evangelise Muslims and pastor ex-Muslims who are now Christians, he also needs Durie’s other book “Liberty to the Captives”.

    He’d do more good, instead of waffling on about beards, to provide *every* parish within his diocese with those three books.

    He should also be advised to watch some episodes of Fr Zakaria Botros’ TV show, which boldly – and even humorously – exposes and critiques the many absurdities of Islam, whilst also unashamedly presenting the Christian faith.

    If he was *really* serious about evangelising Muslims Bp Chartres could *invite* Fr Botros to come to England and give some ‘how to do it’ seminars for London-based Christian clergy – all denominations, Catholics, Anglicans, other Protestants. Now *that* would be something to see!

  43. BC says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 3:44 am

    I have always thought that clergymen are not very bright

    • billybobbyjoe says

      Jan 24, 2016 at 4:17 am

      That`s religious blindness for you…we have the religious cult of islam (pigs be upon it) and the muslims who have such a distorted view of the world and this vicar with a typical christian distorted view of the world coming up with a lunatic idea calming the allah (pigs be upon him) worshipers.
      The sooner we leave this religious nonsense in the past the better. Apart from being just plain laughable nonsense that a god, any god created us in 6 days and the world is square and only 5000 years old etc etc. It`s funny how christians love to “forget” all the things that science has proved complete laughable bullshit in the bible. It`s religion that divides us in such a big way and has caused too much death….it`s insane madness what is happening all around the world because of religion.

      • rev g says

        Jan 24, 2016 at 9:40 am

        Actually, I think that contempt prior to investigation, or with only simple-minded investigation, creates many of the problems.
        Simple-minded investigation of islam has led the media to their false conclusions. Your own simple-minded investigation of religion, as evidenced here, is easily as false. But have a nice day anyways.

  44. Mark A says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 3:49 am

    The Anglican Church is imploding under the weight of its constant attempts at political correctness.

    If Anglicans think that have their priests growing beards will entice Muslims to the Anglican church, they’re wrong. If Muslims do find their way to the pews in Anglican churches, it won’t be to listen to these particular bearded guys in the pulpit.

    More likely the pulpit will be taken over by bearded, fire-breathing imams who deliver the Islamist message, consider these Anglicans to be dhimmis and treat them accordingly.

    These Anglican priests would do well to consider Sura 9 as an indicator of how their Muslim neighbors really look at them.

  45. sidney penny says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 3:58 am

    Why worry about outreach:just convert to Islam.

    and it is not the beard,it is what is inside the head that matters.

  46. Frank says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 4:01 am

    Wonderful! Fantastic outreach with the beard. If the Bishop really wants to make inroads into Tower Hamlets, he should direct his Priests to start marrying and having sex with 9 year old girls.

    Just in time for the Shrove Tuesday fundraisers. What fun.

  47. Joel says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 4:04 am

    Yet another product of the Progressive, multi-cultural re-education camps that pass for universities in the UK.

  48. Mark says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 8:39 am

    Pease view share and give a thumbs up to the following documentary. https://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y. It really exposes the trechery of Islam. The west needs to have more children. In the west raising children has become an expensive and time consuming hobby. Children used to add to the familys income.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Jan 25, 2016 at 4:57 am

      Mate, you say “children used to add to the family’s income”.

      Yes, in pre-industrial agrarian societies. So: you are proposing to dismantle all our western cities, do away with suburbia, and put us all back onto the country estates, most of us as illiterate farm labourers?

      You are proposing for all of the western world to throw out every scrap of its technology and go go back to, oh, the technology and living conditions of 1400 AD? Or 1700 or 1800? NO more tractors, back to the ox-drawn or horse-drawn plough? NO more bulldozers, everything has to be done with pick and shovel.

      Or do you *really* want the modern west to go back to the days when children were used as chimney sweepers, or worked 12 hour or 18 hour days in factories, or down coal mines?? (And died because of lousy working conditions or because – being kids – they slipped up, or got over-tired and went to sleep and got munched by the machinery). Yeah, let’s go back to the good old days when children aged 5-15 could be sent off to the factory, up the chimney or down the coal mine to bring in some money for the family!! (Like the semi-slave child labourers all over the Third World slums even today…?) And then we’ll all have a dozen kids so each kid, earning a pittance, can collectively add up to a subsistence wage to feed the family…just? Back to the days when children were PROFITABLE….

      And people used to have lots of kids, too, because they could never be sure how many – if any – would survive infections, childhood diseases, etc. You might give *birth* to a dozen kids…and rear, oh, maybe four or five if you were lucky….Look at Bach’s family. Exactly how many of his famously large family actually reached adulthood?? Not many. Indeed, not many were in fact alive under his roof together at any one time; not a few of them died within their first few months or year of life. *The* big drop in family size in the West happens at about the same time as improved public health measures – sewage, cleaner water – resulting in a drop in infant mortality. People mysteriously started having fewer kids – four or five rather than litters of fifteen or sixteen – at round the same time as their babies stopped dying like flies.

      The reality is that in a modern urbanised industrial and post-industrial society, the majority of people *cannot* live on a farm and have a dozen kids to use as unpaid labour. A quite small number of dedicated farming families do exist – people for whom it’s a real vocation – but even when they have four or five kids, most of those kids have to go to the city and do adult-type city jobs, because they are not in fact needed and cannot be paid. My parents were farming people. Not one of their eight children – yes, they had eight, but not in order to breed a cheap/ unpaid work force, good god, they weren’t *thinking* like that! – is making a living on the land, today. Not. one. Just. not. possible. Two are raising (much smaller!) families on portions of the original farm but their primary source of income is external and non-agrarian in origin.

      And in the cities, we don’t send kids down the sewage pipes and we don’t need chimney sweeps (or if we did, we have equipment that can clean the chimneys without needing to send some wretched little kid up there in the soot, wrecking their health). And I doubt you’d get much support for sending 8 and 10 year olds down coal mines…or into any other kind of mine.

      Reality is, the best you can hope for, in the modern urbanised societies of the west, is for people to have two or three or maybe four kids…the most that they can reasonably afford, under modern living conditions… and NOT as an insurance policy, not as a utilitarian”means to an end”, not as ‘cannon fodder’ or anything else, but in order that those children may be socialised by the experience of growing up with one or more siblings. To create *community*, or at least, to teach the art of *living* in a community. And then some of those kids will become the medical doctors, the scientists, the engineers, the skilled people (at all levels) that are needed to keep our complex post-industrial society working. Not cheap child slave labourers working for nothing or for a pittance to try to keep the birth family afloat, but adults getting an adult’s wage for an adult’s work.

  49. Ziggy says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 9:51 am

    Living in Tower Hamlets, I LONG to hear the news of Chartes’ retirement.

  50. Tommo says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 10:03 am

    This is the bishop who allowed one of his clergy, Rev Lucy Winkett to stage a protest at her church, St James’s, Piccadily against the security barrier on the Israeli border with Bethlehem. Palestinian activists were encouraged to make comment on a wall specially built for the purpose in front of the church. Many of the comments were so obscene and racist that they had to be removed. Inside the church debate between Muslims and other leftist Jew haters were allowed to express their opinion openly. If this was the ‘meaningful’ exchange of views between Muslims and Christians desired by the Anglican church, then it failed miserably and bought the church and the bishop into serious conflict with the public.

  51. Oppressaphobe says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 2:52 pm

    “The better to cut your head off my dear,” says the wolf.

    Outreach? Maybe they mean reach out, grab that beard and cut that head man!

    Stupid infidel!

  52. Nina Hirsch says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    The issue is that they could all be wearing Geoffrey Beene suits, it does not, nor will ever change the basic and violent tenets of those who belong to Islam. It is like Neville Chamberlain x 25, the constant acquiesing to the enemy, will not save, it will assure the dangerous and the conniver of victory, and not even done covertly! Men of God? No, men of absolute stupidity, who prove to be stumbling blocks to the truth.

  53. Matthieu Baudin says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    I shaved off my nice bushy beard some time ago so that I wouldn’t be confused with those intolerant zealots. Honestly, the personal sacrifices are endless.

  54. Peggy says

    Jan 24, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    The Vicar of Dibley would really funny with a beard. His statement is as much of a joke as that would be.
    He mustn’t foget to get circumcised too.

  55. SuchindranathAiyerS says

    Jan 25, 2016 at 12:50 am

    Large numbers of present day Englishmen are probably Moslems in Anglican clothing anyway. The practice of Englishmen devoting themselves to Beer and delegating their procreative duties to Moslems is obviously far more wide spread and long standing than Prince Charles, or Rotherham, or Manchester, or Leeds, or New Port, or London might indicate. This is probably why Britain has always desired and encouraged the inward immigration of Moslems (rather than Hindoos) whether Arabs or Pakistanis in copious quantities. The genetic under pinnings of the British Parliament’s outrage against Mr. Donald Trump are evident at the first glance.

    • ECAW says

      Jan 25, 2016 at 2:37 am

      Don’t be silly.

  56. Kathy says

    Feb 26, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    Rather than growing a beard, maybe they should just grow a pair!

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