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Germany’s ambassador to the Vatican: “Islam…is part of the solution”

Jan 19, 2016 9:20 am By Robert Spencer

Annette Schavan says: “There are warmongers who embrace religion. But that does not mean that religion promotes war. Religion has the great power to bring peace.” It doesn’t seem to occur to her that there is not a single unified entity called “religion,” or that different religions actually teach different values. She assumes that whatever is labeled “religion” teaches peace, and that anyone who commits violence in the name of “religion” must be importing his violent impulses from elsewhere, not deriving them from the teachings of “religion.”

She also says: “People are upset by the numerous attacks and wonder, ‘Should we equate these images of violence with Islam?’ One gets the impression that Islam is part of the problem. But that’s not true. It must become clear that it is part of the solution.” That is a fine assertion, but that’s all it is. Where have we ever actually seen Islam be part of the solution? Our expectations have become so low; if Islam were really a Religion of Peace that had been hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists, we could realistically expect to see a genuine mass Muslim movement against jihad terror comprising a significant segment of the Muslim population worldwide, dedicated to an honest reinterpretation of the Qur’an and Sunnah so as to mitigate their capacity to incite violence. Instead, there is an avalanche of pro-forma Muslim condemnations of terror by groups such as CAIR, which has ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, plus just a handful of Muslim individuals and groups who actually take a stand against jihad activity in all its forms, but have no significant following among Muslims. Many of the latter group, moreover, also deny that there is anything in the Islamic texts that needs reforming.

So we have yet to see Islam be “part of the solution,” but Annette Schavan and her colleagues are betting the future of Europe on the hope that it will “become” part of that solution, any day now.

Annette Schavan

“Germany’s Vatican ambassador: ‘Islam is part of the solution,'” DW, January 17, 2016:

Germany’s ambassador to the Vatican, Annette Schavan, still sees religion as a peacemaker, despite wars and terrorism. In an interview with DW, she calls for more interfaith dialogue and respect between all religions.

Deutsche Welle: After the New Year’s Eve harassment incidents in Cologne, a highly charged atmosphere with regard to migrants has developed in Germany. How do people in Rome assess the events in Germany?

Annette Schavan: The Vatican knows about all the new attempts to exploit religion as a justification for violence. Germany is viewed as a country that does a lot for refugees. The pope has explicitly commended this in his New Year’s speech.

Can religion today still serve as a peacemaker or has it already become a driving force behind wars?

There are warmongers who embrace religion. But that does not mean that religion promotes war. Religion has the great power to bring peace. People are upset by the numerous attacks and wonder, “Should we equate these images of violence with Islam?” One gets the impression that Islam is part of the problem. But that’s not true. It must become clear that it is part of the solution.

The pope has called on all Christians to take in refugees. In the current situation, does that sound like utopian neighborly love?

Germany has set an excellent example with its “culture of welcome,” which is still not a thing of the past. Of course, many people are anxious. That is exactly what the terrorists want. They do not want a culture of welcome for refugees. One of the things the refugees are fleeing is the terrorists. If we consider integration and welcoming culture to be utopian, then the terrorists have achieved a great deal….

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  1. Daniel Triplett says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 9:31 am

    Germany is ripe for a Revolution, with traitors to the State such as this woman and Merkel publicly hanging from the gallows in the Cologne Square.

    • Skeezix says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 12:14 pm

      With the mayor who told victims they need to ‘stay at arms length’ from crowds hanging next to her.

    • Ex-muslim says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 7:34 pm

      Unbelievable!

  2. Caroline says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 9:42 am

    I wonder how bad things will have to get before the stupid leftards wake up. By the time they do, it will be too late for the rest of. us. Merkel had her vision and it entailed German changing to accommodate the invaders.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11849468/Refugees-will-change-Germany-Merkel-says-as-government-releases-4.4bn-to-cope-with-crisis.html

  3. David M says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 9:43 am

    And she’s part of the problem.

    • Nonblvr says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 1:02 pm

      Off the subject a bit but I had to look at the picture a few times to convince myself this was a female. Perhaps one of the new sexes being touted in the western world??

    • Michael Casmer says

      Jan 20, 2016 at 9:32 pm

      She looks like The “Church Lady” on Saturday Night Live. Satan perhaps?

  4. Stephen Lee says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 9:55 am

    All Germany Ambassadors, leaders, educated ones Must Read the whole Koran clearly before u commit n oblige to Islam n Muslims.

    Can u prove to us that Allah n Mohamed loved all mankind n all sinners in the whole of Koran n hadith ????

    .

  5. Michael Copeland says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 9:59 am

    The EU awarded Merkel their European Prize Coudenhove-Kalergi, named after the “grandfather of the EU” who, in the 1920s, envisaged the engineered extinction of white ethnic Europeans in a new Pan-European State with the elites (such as himself) in charge.

    “The man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear …..The Eurasian-negroid race of the future…. will replace the diversity of peoples and the diversity of individuals.”

    Merkel seems to be enthusiastically, and in breach of EU law, bringing this prospect into being.

    http://libertygb.org.uk/news/europe-down-pan
    http://www.westernspring.co.uk/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-the-genocide-of-the-peoples-of-europe/

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 7:54 pm

      Wait–I though “diversity” was supposed to the Leftist “holy grail”?

      Besides, any person of reasonable intelligence should understand that character has *nothing* to do with race. Neither does class.

      This also gives the lie to the idea that the EU is just like, say, the United States. Instead, it had from the beginning a much darker vision.

      These morons won’t achieve some sort of “post-European” Utopia–they are just opening the gates to the barbarism of Islam.

      What fools these dhimmis be!

  6. Adrian says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 10:00 am

    only partly true: an HONEST EXAMINATION of Islam is part of the solution.

    more myopic wishful thinking from today’s social engineers…

  7. Tom W Harris says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 10:00 am

    Yeah…she means “part of the final solution.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 7:54 pm

      Spot on.

  8. ICH says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 10:02 am

    As soon as you see her you had to know how she would think.

    She has that “look”

    • Edwin1683 says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 12:06 pm

      You are so right, she does have that characteristic self-hating Westerner look.

      How would you best describe it? A mixture of earnestness, dimness and self-righteousness?

      • Edwin1683 says

        Jan 19, 2016 at 12:44 pm

        Add in, mulishness, as shown by that lower lip.

        (She’s actually thinking “Damn, it’s a tough job trying to enlighten the peasants but I AM making 500 grand a year so I guess I’ll stick it out”.)

  9. DFD says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 10:02 am

    “Annette Schavan … calls for more interfaith dialogue and respect between all religions.”

    She forgot to call for sunshine during the day and rainfall during the night. And that woman is an ambasador? On the other hand, given the poope’s statements, his Quran kissing (http://tinyurl.com/gwf4wd5) and Muslim like praying in a mosque… One can only quote Daffy Duck: “Oh brother, now I’ve seen everything!”

    Delando Islam

  10. mortimer says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 10:12 am

    Danish University Researcher Tina Magaard claimed Islam is the most warlike religion.
    Danish researcher Tina Magaard, Ph.D. concluded that Islam is the most warlike religion. After three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, Tina Magaard concluded that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do. She stated that ‘Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions. The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.’

    Annette Schavan is typical of Western élites. Unlike the scholar Dr. Tina Magaard, Western élites have done no reading of any foundational Islamic source text, and yet, at the same time they claim with breathtaking arrogance to be experts on Islam.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 12:59 pm

      There is an additional important point, which Tina Magaard may not have known.
      The Koran, QUITE UNLIKE THE BIBLE, forms part of Islamic law.
      One who denies any verse has to be killed.
      Anyone may, penalty-free, perform the killing vigilante-style.

  11. Bill says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 10:22 am

    Gee, she sounds just like the Pope . . . . willfully blind to a harsh reality. In the meantime Christians of all denominations are being marginalized and slaughtered across the globe in the name of Islam. The Pope has little to say about it and does even less to stop it.

  12. Angemon says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 10:44 am

    Don’t you know it? Islam is the religion of peace:

    • Reno Earl says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 1:28 pm

      The video is now in my Moslem bookmark folder.

    • dlbrand says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 3:47 pm

      Excellent.

      It covers the bases, for darn sure. North, east, south and west of Islam and all points in-between.

    • Cecilia Ellis says

      Jan 20, 2016 at 10:52 am

      Brilliant reply, Angemon . . . brilliant! Thanks for the video. Once again, you’ve made my day.

  13. Myxlplik says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 11:01 am

    I think a lot of what you see is violence associated with a degradation in social cohesion, which is inherent in any Multicultural/Multiethnic setting. A best case scenario is one where the groups share religious values, but there will still be self segregation of neighborhoods/cities, which in the context of Europe is ethnic cleansing of the native population, but like I said this is a best case scenario.

    Add a religion like Islam, and the odds of this Multicultural setting being able to cooperate long term drops to virtually nil.

  14. Jay Boo says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 11:03 am

    Islam is nothing completely new.
    Islam is an excuse adorned with a veil of religion.
    Shameless people grasp at such an excuse.
    It is a pathetic excuse for avoiding any accountability.
    Islam is not a religion, it is a carpet kissing pig bath of lies and disgrace.

    Islam is truly a pig bath.
    So is Muhammad.

  15. Linde Barrera says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 11:37 am

    This Germanic dunce, Annette Schavan, said ” Of course, many people are anxious. That is exactly what the terrorists want.” Who in their right mind cares what the terrorists want? Rule #1 coincides exactly with Job #1– protect the innocent, and do whatever it takes.

  16. Solomon says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 11:41 am

    Islam is indeed the solution. It’s a solution to the question “How do I destroy my country in the most violent way in the shortest period of time?”

  17. Westman says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 11:54 am

    Frau Annette Schavan: “One gets the impression that Islam is part of the problem. But that’s not true. It must become clear that it is part of the solution.”

    This is a flat-out delusion. Islam is the mold that created, allowed, and preserved the brutal attitudes that would separate her enamored non-thinking apparatus from the rest of her person.

    Islam could be part of the solution only if highly reformed, a reformation which Muhammad, or his creators, made impossible by declaring the religion complete and advocating death for anyone who reforms it.

  18. Marty says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    I’m sure her grandfather said “Nazism is part of the solution”.
    Islam starts openly where Nazism did not dare to openly go,
    or HItler would never been elected.

  19. Sam says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    I am sick of these socialist idiots in Europe. They deserve ISLAM.

    • DFD says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 2:12 pm

      Sam says “I am sick of these socialist idiots in Europe. They deserve ISLAM.”

      Marvellous. Has it ever occurred to you that you are on the same list as we are? Have a look “your” president, he spent his childhood in Madressas. Here’s a bit of info: In the middle ages a Jesuit priest/teacher said the following: “Give me the boy ’till the age of seven, and I will you give you the man.” BTW, in Islam it’s the father’s faith. More, the head of your security services, CIA, a gentleman by name of Brennan is a Muslim, converted to Sunni Islam in Saudi Arabia (that means Wahhabi Islam).

      And you have a lot more of these. I envy you for your second amendment – but don’t fool yourself because you are armed. So are they, and often better than you, fully automatic AR’s, RPG’s etc.; no further than 50km (~30mi) from the mosques. Be certain.

      If you think that mutual hatred, contempt and snottiness is good for you, than you are a Taqyian’s wet dream. Al Masud would be delighted about your post.

      *Alternative*: Let’s stick together, and believe me, we will have to. Every man will count, in one form or another, according to their abilities. And the longer it takes, the more messy it will be.

      Think about it, don’t be on their team, be on ours.

      Salute and
      Delando Islam!

      • Myxlplik says

        Jan 19, 2016 at 3:04 pm

        Right on about that, the only thing that has more or less saved the US from the Islamic Multicultural nightmare is the dumb luck of having had Spain conquer South and Central America rather than the Caliphate. Many Americans like to sit on our high horse about the Islamization of Europe, but avoiding the worst of it so far has been dumb luck for sure.

        I emphasize SO FAR.

        Myx

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 19, 2016 at 8:03 pm

        We are *all* targets of Islam, and we are all headed down the same foolish road of dhimmitude and “political correctness”–it is just that some are farther down that road than others.

        We all have to pull together–I don’t want to cede *any* part of our civilized culture to the barbarians. That so many of our own “leaders” are enabling this insanity is grim indeed–but it should not lead us to give up the fight–just the opposite, in fact,

  20. Jack Diamond says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    It’s like watching a really bad horror movie, “don’t open the door! don’t open the door, you idiot!”
    There is no talking to these people, they are committed ideologues. It’s their power and influence that needs to go. This is Eurabia and its been the goal (of the European Union) for decades, not the day before yesterday. “Of course, many people are anxious. That is exactly what the terrorists want.” Refusing Eurabia is giving in to the “terrorists” not common sense and self-preservation of life and limb and wife and daughter and an entire civilization which clearly eludes people like the utopian elitist Annette Schavan.

  21. Westman says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    The Catholic church is not the only Christian church enamored with Islam.

    The LDS Church (Mormons) literally accepts Muhammad as a Prophet:

    Excerpt from the lds..com site, article “A Latter-day Saint Perspective Of Muhammad”

    “As early as 1855, at a time when Christian literature generally ridiculed Muhammad, Elders George A. Smith (1817–75) and Parley P. Pratt (1807–57) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles delivered lengthy sermons demonstrating an accurate and balanced understanding of Islamic history and speaking highly of Muhammad’s leadership. Elder Smith observed that Muhammad was “descended from Abraham and was no doubt raised up by God on purpose” to preach against idolatry. He sympathized with the plight of Muslims, who, like Latter-day Saints, found it difficult “to get an honest history” written about them. Speaking next, Elder Pratt went on to express his admiration for Muhammad’s teachings, asserting that “upon the whole, … [Muslims] have better morals and better institutions than many Christian nations.”

    LDS First Presidency statement, Feb 15, 1978, excerpt:

    “The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God’s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.”

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 8:07 pm

      Mormonism did indeed disturbingly model many of its tenets on Muhammed–most notably polygamy and death for apostasy.

      But LDS thankfully gave up the latter very early on, and the mainstream church also gave up the former well over a century ago.

      Mormonism has evolved–Islam has not.

      • Jeremiah says

        Jan 19, 2016 at 8:22 pm

        Christianity does not evolve. Christianity is contained in the Bible. Those who wish to add to it or change it, also change the explanation of God’s love to suit themselves. LDS and the Vatican feel that they need to add to the Bible without fully understanding Love. The Catholics and Mormons would be shocked at the rationalization that has taken place. They should study the Bible for themselves and they are not encouraged to do so . . . that should be the first clue.

  22. jura says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    Oh yeah, it is solution…. final solution of the infidels question.

  23. gerard says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 12:49 pm

    Islam is the problem.

  24. abad says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    Schavan is just another Ivory Tower Liberal parroting liberal ideology about Islam being the Religion of Peace(TM).

    In short, she is incapable of doing her own thinking.

  25. Dave J says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 1:19 pm

    “Islam is part of the solution” is true only in the sense that Islam is the problem and the problem will be solved when Islam is eliminated forever.

  26. Wellington says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    Not only is this woman invincibly ignorant but she demonstrates a much larger problem, that being why any knowledgeable Christian (ah, perhaps there’s the rub, i.e., “knowledgeable”) would have virtually any good thing to say about Islam, which scorns the Trinity, denies Jesus was crucified, considers Christians polytheists, has Jesus coming back at the end of the world and throwing all the Christians into Hell for deifying him, refers to Christians (and Jews) as “the vilest of creatures” {Sura 98:6} and on and on and on like this, contra so much of Christian dogma, actually quite insulting of Christian dogma?

    By contrast, other major faiths such as Hinduism and Buddhism do not scathingly criticize in their religious texts and traditions what Christians believe. Judaism does not see Jesus as Christians do but neither does it clearly and deliberately scorn and repudiate with animosity aplenty Christian doctrines as Islam does. It’s perfectly understandable why a Christian would respect religions such as Buddhism, Judaism and Hinduism, even though disagreeing with their theological blueprint, but for a Christian to say that they respect Islam makes no sense whatsoever to this agnostic. None.

    • Westman says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 2:51 pm

      I think you’ve hit on the problem, Wellington – ignorance. It is difficult to understand why any Christian church would praise an ideology that directly denies the divinity of Christ and persecutes Christians until you realise they are quite ignorant of Islam’s ideology and have lazily drunk the Taqiyya.

      See the Mormon Church accolades, above. It’s amazingly ignorant.

      • Wellington says

        Jan 19, 2016 at 3:22 pm

        I did not know that about the Mormons, Westman, and so thank you for enlightening me here. And yes, ignorance is very powerful, very powerful indeed. A great ally of Islam though.

    • epistemology says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 5:10 pm

      This dumbass has no idea what sense is. Yes knowledgeable is the the keyword, she prefers ignorance to knowledge. Here’s her story: Schawan a good friend of Merkel’s BTW used to be minister for education and had to leave office translates to dishonourably discharged, because she had cheated on her doctoral thesis, it hadn’t been original but she had copied from somebody else’s thesis. So she had to go, even her buddy Miss Piggy couldn’t keep her in office. As a minister for education she once said she didn’t want teachers to wear headscarves as they represent the state but she could imagine headscarf wearing women in her staff. Same as Hillary who’s listening to Huma’s advice. Schawan obviously got demoted but not for talking nonsense about headscarf women she got demoted because of her cheating. Obviously she hasn’t become any wiser. An ex-minister for education who’s unable to learn. A nice figurehead for German education.

      I don’t know what her thesis was about, but I can tell you for sure what it was not about theory of knowledge.

      All the best to you and yours my friend, take good care

      • Wellington says

        Jan 19, 2016 at 6:29 pm

        Thanks for details about this silly woman, epistemology. And I relished your reference to Merkel as “Miss Piggy.”.

        Take care, my friend, in a Germany which seems to have lost its collective mind on a scale approximating the loss of this imperative collectivity back in the days of Adolf, though for a polar opposite reason and thus tending to confirm Winston Churchill’s assessment of the Germans, to wit, “that they are either at your throat or at your feet.”

        • epistemology says

          Jan 19, 2016 at 8:43 pm

          exactly, spot on

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 8:12 pm

      And more than scorn, Islam condones violence, oppression, enslavement, rape, and murder of Christians. Any Christians who don’t know this are fools. Alas, there are all too many of them…

  27. Rob says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    Sure, if the Bible need beefing up in the areas of permissible rape, subjugation of women, summary execution of prisoners and permissible lying, then the Q’ran would be a first ‘go to’ source.

  28. Dave J says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    Animosity to all others is the creed of Islam.

    It does not deserve the term “religion” or the advantages and protection that flow from that label. It’s just a bunch of juvenile male fantasies about power over others, particularly women and children, written down and passed on for the next generation of perverts.

  29. nacazo says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    Hold on you mean critics of the poor ambassador! There was a transcription error. She meant “Islam is part of the final solution”. As a German, she should know.

    /sarc off

  30. Pong says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    The fact that she is an ambassador tells a lot about present situation in Germany. Her Ph.D was revocked due to plagiarism. People, not involved in a research, don’t understand the severity of such a thing. Simply put, it is pure theft. It is a crime, which is panishable like any theft. Being a party member in high position, she’s got away with a slap on the wrist and appointed ambassador. A proven crook – an ambassador of a country. Tells a lot about the country.

    • Westman says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 5:19 pm

      Pong, I was unaware if this so I did some searching and read about it. She was going to sue the University in 2013 but I can find no indication that she ever did. Apparently, the evidence sustains the charge. Please let us know if there was ever a suit, and the outcome.

      • Pong says

        Jan 19, 2016 at 8:45 pm

        She dropped the case as a result of a backdoor deal with the partu.p

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 8:14 pm

      Also frightening is that she was German Federal Minister of Education and Research from 2005 to 2013.

      • Angemon says

        Jan 20, 2016 at 1:30 pm

        Speaking of Germany:

        http://newobserveronline.com/white-war-refugees-not-allowed-in-germany/

  31. Gene says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 3:48 pm

    “It must become clear that [Islam] is part of the solution.”

    Still working on that Jewish problem, are we?

    • abad says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 7:57 pm

      Apparently.

      Hitler sang the praises of Islam, too.

  32. BlueRaven says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    It amazes me how these clowns get to these key positions and sprout about loud something they are clueless about. In this case this freaking Frau about Islam. I think other German Frauen are very similar – Merkel and the mayor of Cologne.

    The problem that Islam is never taught in the schools for what it is. The problems about Christianity are discuss on a daily bases. Islam for most people is only about prickly roses. This is the real flaw in our education system. No wonder this freaking Frau is as loop sides as a Muzzi straight out of Macca.

  33. Russell Kirk Was Right says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    There has to be some kind of special Darwin award for such a sniveling Eurotard.

  34. Cameron says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    The Aztecs would sacrifice captured enemy warriors to their gods by tearing open the victims chest, slicing out the heart and removing it so that the heartbeat would squirt blood metres into the air. The Aztecs had a “religion of peace too”. Maybe the sacrificial murder of many thousands is a solution to some imagined problems of Western Civilization.

    The Imperial Mongols were very multicultural. It didn’t matter what your ethnicity or belief system was, everyone was subject to the Great Khan and the hierarchy below the imperial family. It was ‘The will of Heaven” that justified their rule over all peoples at any cost. They were very “tolerant” of diversity and to focus on the millions of lives lost in the Imperial Mongol conquests is racist and Mongolphobic.

    The religion of Islam…

  35. Champ says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    “Islam…is part of the solution” ???

    What a preposterous statement — since islam is a very dangerous ideology and will never offer humanity any “solutions”. How absurd & idiotic!

    And the Vatican/Pope, along with Rick Warren, are all part and parcel of the evil Chrislam movement:

    http://www.exposingchrislam.com/

    • Westman says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 6:22 pm

      Champ,

      I didn’t realize that Rick Warren had cozied Saddleback Church up to Islam. Considering his popularity and the size of his mega-church it’s a very dangerous position to take. Mega-churches can get sunk by anything associated with their founders, such as happened with Jimmy Swaggart and Ted Haggard.

      If something happens which forces his congregation and other Evangelist churches, to look at the Islamic doctrinal denial of Christ’s divinity and Islam’s naming of Christ as the last days exterminator of the Jews, he will be in real trouble.

      It’s astounding that Warren’s congregation is so uninformed about the actual Islamic view of Christ. It’s even more astounding that Warren didn’t do his homework.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 8:22 pm

      Yes–very dangerous stuff, Champ.

      And Westman, Jihad Watch had a recent article on the witless Rick Warren:

      “Marco Rubio campaign advisory board on religious liberty includes Rick Warren, supporter of Hamas-linked ISNA”

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/marco-rubio-campaign-advisory-board-on-religious-liberty-includes-rick-warren-supporter-of-hamas-linked-isna

  36. Davegreybeard says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    @Westman
    “I think you’ve hit on the problem, Wellington – ignorance.”

    The problem is much more difficult than simple “ignorance.”

    It is, as Wellington stated earlier, it is “invincible ignorance.” Which is like willful stupidity, and it cannot be cured by stating the facts, no matter how artfully or skillfully they are presented.

    Such “invincible ignorance” is not worth the time or energy to attempt to refute. People so infected must be defeated and removed from any position of power or influence.

    The only positive use for debating such people is as a foil, so that perhaps others listening may be educated.

    Unfortunately we are beset with swarms of “invincible ignoramuses” in positions of power.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 8:25 pm

      Yes, Dave–not just simple ignorance, but willful ignorance.

      Simple ignorance can be easily cured with more knowledge–willful ignorance is a lot more intransient.

  37. Germanicus says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    Yet another has-been and disgraced pol trying to “re-invent” herself by hitching her wagon to the forces of Islam and Allah’s new Messenger on Earth, Angela Merkel.

    As briefly noted by Stephanie above, Annette Schavan had a PhD in “theology” which was withdrawn by the university after finding extensive and fraudulent plagiarism throughout her thesis (see quote below).

    Schavan was federal minister of education in Germany when her PhD was withdrawn. She had to resign but was later handed the Holy See appointment.

    The surprising appointment of a disgraced has-been as ambassador to the Holy See indicates that Schavan is seen as a reliable and capable consigliera for the pro-Islamic faction around Angela Merkel. Schavan never married and – like Angela Merkel herself – has no children.

    “As a doctoral candidate, she systematically and deliberately presented intellectual efforts throughout her entire dissertation that were not her own,” [a university spokesman] said. Large sections of the work, he continued, had been taken from elsewhere without adequate attribution. As such, she was guilty of “intentional deception through plagiarism.”

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/education-minister-schavan-has-ph-d-revoked-in-plagiarism-scandal-a-881707.html

  38. Wiser Monkeys says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    Of much more concern has to be Federica Mogherini, the EU’s so-called “High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy” (or more plainly, the EU’s Foreign Minister). A member of the Italian Communist Party until it dissolved in 1996, she graduated after writing a thesis on politics and Islam.
    Was acquainted with the Palestine Liberation Organization in the past, and you can see her snapshot with Yasser Arafat here:
    https://mazzetta.wordpress.com/2014/07/02/federica-mogherini-e-amica-dei-terroristi-e-ostile-a-israele

    Distinctly warm on Arab states and cool on Israel, she made this foolish statement just two days before the Tunisian beach terror attack in June 2015:
    “Islam belongs in Europe … political Islam should be part of the picture.”
    She was no doubt also involved and happy when the EU decided on its disgraceful policy of specially labelling goods from Israeli settlements.

    Oh, and almost forgot: her total salary and expenses package costs around $450,000 per year.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 8:26 pm

      There are, sadly, plenty of dangerous idiots to go around.

  39. Dan Jones says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    Its a setup for a one world government & religion

    • Champ ✞ says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 8:37 pm

      Precisely!

  40. gravenimage says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    Germany’s ambassador to the Vatican: “Islam…is part of the solution”
    ……………………

    Only if Annette Schavan’s idea of a “solution” is the mass rape of German girls in the streets.

    More:

    Germany has set an excellent example with its “culture of welcome,” which is still not a thing of the past. Of course, many people are anxious. That is exactly what the terrorists want. They do not want a culture of welcome for refugees. One of the things the refugees are fleeing is the terrorists…
    ……………………

    Let’s parse this. Why would the terrorists not want a “culture of welcome” for ravening Mohammedans? They simply assume–probably quite rightly, given Ambassador Schavan’s incoherent nattering here–that Germany may well be dhimmi enough to ignore even mass rape in their streets and continue to welcome the rapists in.

    And the idea that the “refugees are fleeing…the terrorists” does not quite hold up when it is the “refugees” who are robbing, molesting, and raping German girls.

    It seems rather more that in most cases the “refugees” *are* the terrorists…

  41. Jeremiah says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    The Vatican is not the solution. Catholics are. The Vatican has always been willing to bend values to survive (or even grow). Catholics are uncomfortable with that. The Bible does not change.

    The Vatican had a doubtful relationship with Hitler while Catholics were sacrificing themselves for world freedom that would see the Papacy continue to pretend to be a political power. The Papacy had been trying to hedge its bets.

    There comes a time when world leaders like the United Nations and the Vatican have to stop the carnage of Christians and tell the truth. Already the Papacy is hedging its bets;

    Being on the side of Islam is a bit of deja vu for historians who remember the self-serving stance of the Vatican in the past. Catholics deserve better leadership.

  42. worldcitizen1919 says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    The main reason I believe why we don’t see a mass uprising of Muslims against violence is because worldwide Muslims have no CENTER. There is no central Islamic authority to unite Muslims against terrorism.

    Then they are separated into Sunni and Shiah. Where’s the leader of the Muslim world?? This is a huge problem. America has clout as the leader of the free world but where is there an equivalent to bring Muslims together.?

    If Muslims had a centre to turn to worldwide then they could do things like create an interpretation of the Quran for today. But different sects follow different ‘scholars’ and they can’t agree amongst themselves.

    There is so much disunity in the Muslim world how can one even dream of them coming together against terrorism?

    Islam COULD be a part of the solution if they could unite but that’s highly unlikely.

    So we fight the terrorists & maybe temporary ban on immigration is reasonable

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 8:44 pm

      “worldcitizen1919” wrote:

      The main reason I believe why we don’t see a mass uprising of Muslims against violence is because worldwide Muslims have no CENTER. There is no central Islamic authority to unite Muslims against terrorism.
      …………………………….

      You hear this often, but it is absolute rot. There is no single “center” among, say, Protestant denominations–and yet Protestants are not engaging in terrorism all over the world.

      The same could be said of most Buddhist sects, as well.

      Those who consider themselves vaguely “spiritual” have even less of a center–but they are not engaging in mass terrorism, either.

      The fact is that Muslims have a center, all right–the violent texts and tenets of Islam. That is why there is not only so much Muslim terrorism, but that it is all done in the name of their foul creed.

      More:

      If Muslims had a centre to turn to worldwide then they could do things like create an interpretation of the Quran for today. But different sects follow different ‘scholars’ and they can’t agree amongst themselves.
      …………………………….

      The closest things to centers Islam has is Al-Azhar university for Sunnis and the Ayatollah of Iran for Shia. The thing is–unsurprisingly–both confirm the vicious tenets of Islam and the violent model of the “Prophet”.

      More:

      There is so much disunity in the Muslim world how can one even dream of them coming together against terrorism?
      …………………………….

      When Muslims come together it is usually *for* terrorism. And why not? This is perfectly in line with all the diktats of this violent and supremacist creed.

      More:

      Islam COULD be a part of the solution if they could unite but that’s highly unlikely.
      …………………………….

      Unite–you meas as in a Caliphate? Oh…wait…that isn’t working out too well in the anti-terrorism department, is it?

    • DFD says

      Jan 20, 2016 at 2:51 pm

      worldcitizen1919 says “If Muslims had a centre to turn to worldwide then they could do things like create an interpretation of the Quran for today. But different sects follow different ‘scholars’ and they can’t agree amongst themselves.”

      I hate to tell you this, but the Quran is exactly what it is, a declaration of war upon ALL mankind, nothing less. Thos “different sects” merely differ about the implementation of the basic doctrine. That is the Quran, which merely confirms Mohammed’s wishes. As even his wife A’isha once sarcastically remarked.

      Simple answer in a nutshell:
      Delando Islam

  43. Nimrod says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    Surprise! Turns out that she’s an ignorant neo-Marxist. Who could have guessed?

  44. Dracula says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    “Of course, many people are anxious. That is exactly what the terrorists want.”

    I see this often: A highly confused understanding of terrorism as an instrument of political coercion. A lot of people seem to think the goal of a terrorist is to inspire fear for its own sake like a particularly dangerous teenager on Mischief Night springing out from the bushes in a monster costume to give passerby the spooks.

    It’s nothing like that. Terrorism is just the geopolitical scale of bullying and extortion. They have a defined goal and want something from governments and their constituents and choose violence to intimidate others into compliance. The aim of Jihadi terror is to cow kuffar into submitting to the Shari’a and the gradual erosion of their culture with Islam standing alone and triumphant. If the “fear” of terrorism inspires a nation to take active measures confounding Jihad, then the terrorists have not somehow “won” a victory just by making their targets afraid. They’ve lost in the most objective sense to accomplish their conquest; they’d get the opposite of what they’re after. It would represent a frustrating backfire.

    How anybody can make it in the world to where they have a public platform and think that terrorism is just the spiteful endeavor of instilling fear for no constructive purpose is an enigma. There is no ISIS operative hanging out in a vulnerable locale today thinking that even if they lose all their territory at least they scared the infidel into vaporizing them from above.

  45. Liam says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    This woman is a complete fool. Enough said. Poor Germany. They are allready screwed.

  46. keith says

    Jan 19, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    … evil never wins… it won’t and it can’t, for it’s the anomoly in the face of humanity… and notwithstanding the evil-doers themselves, we are, in the end, hard-wired for goodness… evil never wins…

    • Nimrod says

      Jan 19, 2016 at 11:15 pm

      Evil does win if good men and women stand by and do nothing.

  47. sidney penny says

    Jan 20, 2016 at 12:00 am

    2 super paragraphs which says it all.

    “Where have we ever actually seen Islam be part of the solution?”

    “Our expectations have become so low; if Islam were really a Religion of Peace that had been hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists, we could realistically expect to see a genuine mass Muslim movement against jihad terror comprising a significant segment of the Muslim population worldwide, dedicated to an honest reinterpretation of the Qur’an and Sunnah so as to mitigate their capacity to incite violence.

    Instead, there is an avalanche of pro-forma Muslim condemnations of terror by groups such as CAIR, which has ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, plus just a handful of Muslim individuals and groups who actually take a stand against jihad activity in all its forms, but have no significant following among Muslims. Many of the latter group, moreover, also deny that there is anything in the Islamic texts that needs reforming.”

  48. PJG says

    Jan 20, 2016 at 1:44 am

    European elites arranging the annihilation of their own race.
    I’m unable, try as I may, to get my head around this idea.

  49. dajjal says

    Jan 20, 2016 at 2:32 am

    Islam was contrived for the purpose of propagating and perpetuating warfare ‘cuz Moe got his income by his spear through plunder and extortion.

    The facts in this pdf file should be fatal to Islam:
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/227418623/Islam-s-Mercenary-Mission-Updated

    Christianity was hijackled by the Roman Empire and had a reformation. Islam is evil by design and can not be reformed. it must be eliminated; it is the problem, not part of the solution.

  50. ConnectingDots says

    Jan 20, 2016 at 11:48 am

    Does Annette Schavan look like Hillary Clinton?

    She certainly shills as much for sharia as Clinton does.

  51. DP111 says

    Jan 20, 2016 at 1:24 pm

    Churchill

    In each case civilisation is confronted with militant Mahommedanism. The forces of progress clash with those of reaction.

    The religion of blood and war is face to face with that of peace. Luckily the religion of peace is usually the better armed.”

    Nota bene: when Churchill used the phrase “the religion of peace”, he meant Christianity.

  52. DP111 says

    Jan 20, 2016 at 1:25 pm

    Annette Schavan says: “There are warmongers who embrace religion

    Poor Annete. She has swallowed the Taqiyya, hook, line and sinker.

  53. DP111 says

    Jan 20, 2016 at 1:28 pm

    The pope has called on all Christians to take in refugees. In the current situation, does that sound like utopian neighborly love?

    Christ also advised his disciples, “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents

    • Herman says

      Jan 20, 2016 at 5:23 pm

      The pope completely lost touch with reality…
      (talking about a wolf in sheep’s clothes)

  54. Herman says

    Jan 20, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    Who needs enemies when you have ‘friends’ like these idiots…
    merkel, this one (forgot her name already) and the rapefugees-appeasing mayor of Cologne…?

  55. خَليفة says

    Jan 20, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    I have to take the sides of Muslim on this story – that is one woman who should, by law, be required to wear a full on burka.

  56. Reno Earl says

    Jan 21, 2016 at 11:04 am

    The ambassador looks like the older brother of slimy David Brock who is now in Hillary’s camp. LMAO so hard can’t even get to substantive crapping on its silly ASSumptions. Saw one of those really disgusting, but funny, ISIS goat bumper stickers in the parking lot at the Mormon temple.

    • Cheap One says

      Jan 21, 2016 at 3:12 pm

      So twisted and funny. The poor goat is really getting abused. Are goats, like captured women, covered in Muhammad’s teachings?

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