ROME — A decision to cover up nude statues from Roman antiquity during a visit by President Hassan Rouhani of Iran has drawn ridicule and scorn in Italy — much of it directed at the Italian government — and spurred a debate about the national identity.
The statues, in a corridor leading to a grand hall in Rome’s renowned Capitoline Museums, were encased in tall white boxes ahead of a news conference that Mr. Rouhani held on Monday with Prime Minister Matteo Renzi of Italy. One of the statues was the “Capitoline Venus,” a Roman copy of a legendary fourth century B.C. work by Praxiteles; some of the other sculptures were of ancient Greek and Roman gods, dressed minimally, if at all….“The problem is that those statues — yes, those icons of classicism and models of humanism — are the foundation of European and Mediterranean culture and civilization,” the columnist Michele Serra wrote in La Repubblica. To conceal them, he wrote, “is to conceal ourselves.” To not offend the Iranian president, he wrote, “we offended ourselves.” — from the New York Times, January 27, 2016
Quickly seizing the opportunity to spend some of Iran’s newly-released 100 billion (including two billions which were for accumulated interest on Iranian accounts in American banks that had been seized decades ago and were now, under the nuclear deal, to be returned) dollars, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani made a triumphal progress through Italy and France this past week.
At his first stop, Rome, Rouhani met the Pope, gave a joint conference with Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi at the Capitoline Museums, and attended a state dinner in his honor. The dinner was notable for one thing — it was likely to have been the only dinner that the Italian state has ever given in its entire history at which wine was not served. This was, of course, in extreme deference to Muslim sensibilities.
Even more astounding was what was done, for the same eager-to-please reasons, to the artistic heritage of Italy. President Rouhani was invited to address the press, side by side with Prime Minister Renzi, at the Capitoline Museums. The Capitoline Museums are full of Roman statues, many of them nude or lightly draped figures. But here again the Italians did not wish to offend, and so they covered those statues up with white oblong boxes, shamefully and shamelessly hiding what an Italian journalist rightly described as “icons of classicism” that were the “foundations of European and Mediterranean culture and civilization,” in order to curry favor with some big-spending Iranians. Those white boxes would make Art History exams even harder. Apparently Hassan Rouhani did not even have to ask that this be done; the Italian government yielded proleptically to what it anticipated would be Iranian demands, on matters both of cuisine and of culture. No wine, no naked bodies.
Such cravenness did not pass without critical comment in Italy, but no one in the government – including Prime Minister Renzi – managed to figure out who might have given the order to hold the wine and bring the boxes. It was, or so Italian officials claimed, a real puzzlement. In any case, plenty of contracts between Renzi and Rouhani, about all kinds of things, but mainly for oil and gas infrastructure, worth billions, were signed, and a good time was had by all.
In France, however, it was a very different affair. French President François Hollande let it be known that there would be wine at the lunch he was giving for the Iranians, and when they objected, he suggested that Rouhani could be offered breakfast – even in France wine is not served at breakfast – instead. That offer was now turned down by the Iranians, and they had to make do on their own. And there have been no reports of any cover-up of statues at the Louvre or anywhere else. Yet, mirabile dictu, the Iranians turned out to be just as eager to sign contracts with the refractory French as they had been with the submissive Italians, including one for 114 planes that was, all by itself, worth $7.5 billion, with many others signed or in the pipeline.
There must be a moral here somewhere. Perhaps it should go something like this:
Don’t play the dhimmi. Don’t give in, and see where it gets you.

fido says
All of Europe has scewed itself. France’s pathetic little “stand” is way to little way to late. Grab a rug you pc socialist idiots and bend over – azzes in the air – and start memorizing your qur’an. Eurabia is forming up…you can’t deny the numbers, it’s now just a matter of time.
nacazo says
They may want to consider shipping their “nude” works of art somewhere where they will not be destroyed, that is outside of Eurabia.
Budvarakbar says
All works of art and all Christian art and symbols — all the cathedrals will be turned to mosques
Kolga says
Or dust.
Laura says
Or, perhaps the Italians were just trying to prevent the rape of their statues….since the mohammadans can seem to control themselves at the sight of skin!
Laura says
can’t! sorry!
Bukkdem Jizheads says
Very droll!
gravenimage says
You aren’t wrong, Laura–here’s a Mohammdan fondling and *masterbating* on a fashion mannequin:
Budvarakbar says
Do not be too smug — the US is on its 2nd term of an actual Islamist – stupid bastards
Gungadin says
Yes, stupid voters electing him the first time was bad enough but to see him reelected by the same stupid voters made me want to BARF. Thank God we will be rid of the SOB and his Islamic loving ways come next election. That flushing sound you hear is America going down the toilet under his “leadership” and our Congress sitting on their hands doing nothing to curtail his actions.
Sandra Lee Smiths says
No they aren’t; they’re HELPING him do it, by providing all the laws and financing he wants in order to do it!
gravenimage says
The whole of the West is in deep trouble–none of us can afford to be smug.
Dom107 says
Islamism is like diabetes.We have to be eternally vigilant !! It is
insidious and tends to get worse in time unless aggressively treated!!
????
Richie says
The next step will be for these statues to be destroyed, lest the sight of them forces helpless Muslim men to rape women
Karen says
Yes, it might incite them to rape. I wonder what makes them ‘go’ in a public swimming pool, as in Germany recently. I’m sure they must have been incited to act in such a disgusting manner, including men, women and children.
Rob says
Surely the Italians could take the Iranians into their meeting via a back entrance?
That would send a subtle message.
‘Sire the front hall is too lewd and lascivious for your gentle gaze and we have accommodated this by taking you through a special access way’.
‘We know it is signposted ‘Janitor’s Cupboard’ that simply indicates its exclusivity’
‘BTW We’ve found a cute little 4 year old for your temporary marriage tonight. Great for a bit of thighing and sodomising. All haram isn’t it?’
Tom W Harris says
He said “back entrance,” heh heh, heh heh.
DFD says
Tom W Harris says “He said “back entrance,” heh heh, heh heh.”
LOL! Good one, well spotted.
Aardvark says
Yes, mohammedans are reportedly very fond of the back entrance…
Rob says
or should that be halal?
SoCalMike says
The more I read about Euroscum, the more nauseated I get.
What loathsome despicable things!
nacazo says
The Americoscum in some halls of power in Washington are not too far behind. Yes thise bending backwards for cair (muslim brotherhood in America).
DFD says
nacazo says “… Yes thise bending backwards for cair (muslim brotherhood in America).”
Yes, in many US towns theythe schools take the kids into mosques where they learn to pray like Muslims, learn that Allah is God, learn to speak the words of acceptance etc.
I am sure Islam has nothing to do with that….
Charlie in NY says
As they now say, “When in Rome, do as the Persians do.”
Wellington says
Very clever.
gravenimage says
Yes–Bill Maher–who has been at least somewhat savvy about the threat of Islam–said on his show last night re this sickening bit of dhimmitude, “When in Rome, one should remember the saying *When in Rome…*”.
Ellie says
The leftists bankrupted European countries by manipulating trade laws and deals that would eventually allow the elitists to buy up bankrupt companies and send the jobs overseas. This is how the leftists have grow so rich on both sides of the Atlantic. Take away the wealth and centralize it in their own greedy hands.
The Europeans, out of economic desperation, signed away their rights to govern themselves. The leftists knew what the next step would be.
They are now flooding the west with people from areas of the world that have no regard for life or liberty. The leftists hate western culture. They hate the people who love freedom and are accustomed to a higher standard of living than the rest of the world. They want domination of all of it! That has ALWAYS been the leftist goal. If it means wiping out a whole culture then so be it.
These atheistic fools have no idea who they are playing with. The mullahs of Iran have no intention of sharing their world dominating agenda with anyone! It now appears that Europe will be part of the caliphate. They will next bow to the Iranian dominated caliphate in order to save their lives.
The leftists in the US are doing the same thing to the American economy. They have forced the US into a “global economy,” manipulating trade and centralizing the wealth into the hands of a few elitists. They are regulating what is little is left of the wealth to death while having the politicians that they own use tax dollars on worthless projects. Tax dollar are also being used by the billions to import strictly fundamentalist Muslims into the country by the hundreds of thousands. Over 680,000 green cards issued to Muslims alone during the past 5 years. How? Through the UN managed Refugee Resettlement Program.
A few have tired to reign in the RRG with little support from either party. This is a well planned Islamization program that is being kept under wraps in order to complete the program. Unless Americans wake up the US will look just like Europe in only a few short years.
Jay Boo says
No one needs to get hurt.
Muslims are victims of Islam who desperately desire just to be understood.
When they slash, burn, murder, rape and plunder, it is their way of flailing about in a calling out for help.
.
Let’s help Muslims of planet earth break free of their Islam beast and learn to respect humanity.
It is time for the world to join hands and expose Islam’s slimy freak and his sock puppet Allah.
The coodinated worldwide mock Islam and Muhammad month long feast is coming.
Sharpen your pencils.
Dom107 says
The most hopeful view of the future is that there will be a mass movement of Muslims becoming ex Muslims and there is some evidence that a certain amount of that is happening.There is a rather beautiful ex Muslim whose name I forget.A highly intelligent and courageous lady who now lives in USA.I think she took part in a debate in Oxford University and frankly wiped the floor with the muslim apologist she was debating with.
May there be many more but it might be an idea to change your
to John Smith to avoid detection or misunderstanding in the growing migrant crisis????
DFD says
Ellie says “…. (1) The mullahs of Iran have no intention of sharing their world dominating agenda with anyone! It now appears that Europe will be part of the caliphate…. (2) They have forced the US into a “global economy,” ……….. (3) Tax dollar are also being used by the billions to import strictly fundamentalist Muslims into the country by the hundreds of thousands….. (4) Over 680,000 green cards issued to Muslims alone during the past 5 years ………. (5) This is a well planned Islamization program that is being kept under wraps in order to complete the program. (6) Unless Americans wake up the US will look just like Europe in only a few short years.”
About (1): You got that right, about the Caliphate, wrong! Think 30 years war in Germany, the Muslims have no idea what they are in for. If you want to know what awaits them in Germany, let me know.
About (2): You got that the wrong way round. The US was and is, by now in conjunction with the EU, promoting the “global economy”. Actually, isn’t either, it’s the major corporations in these – and their lobby power.
About (3): Yep!
About (4): Indeed, BTW, how many green cards has your govmnt issued to Christians from the ME? More than one hundred? 150? 200?
About (5): Correct. I am writing about that, it’s about money – a lot of it.
About (6): “…in a few short years.” God, you’re a patient one. Or just optimistic? Incidentally, it already looks like it in many ways. That the US media reports more freely, and frequently in an exaggerated manner about Europe, whilst not reporting or downplaying US affairs, doesn’t mean it’s true.
If we westerners don’t stick together, we will all be dealt with one by one, be sure of that. Ask the people of Yathrib. After Mohammed had them deceived and divided by an individual named al Masud, they were slaughtered and enslaved. The remaining population was subjugated, that means Islamized. Then he renamed the place into Medina. Incidentally, he is buried there, and not in Mecca.
Wellington says
Subservience to evil invariably prolongs malevolence and thus is arguably a greater menace than evil itself because of the duration factor.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
“There must be a moral here somewhere. Perhaps it should go something like this:
Don’t play the dhimmi. Don’t give in, and see where it gets you.”
See also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump:_The_Art_of_the_Deal
13pr108 says
The name “Rouhani” is very nice: of the atman/rou/soul.
Maybe Iranians can revert back to path of Zoroaster sahib ji.
This might make material and spiritual prosperity easier for everyone.
Who can argue with always possessing “good thoughts, good words and good deeds” ?
David says
Does everyone (at least every SANE person) see the loonacy in this? Covering up some of the greatest art works produced by civilized humans? Simply to please some obviously deranged lunatic? From a group of savage, barbaric 4th world backwater nut balls???
This is ridiculous!
Dom107 says
Ass kissing seems to be a European obsession now.David Cameron of the UK is the current champ.We used to ass kiss the USA but at least we got some US dollars,business and defense out of of it.Ass kissing the Mozzies will only get us Shariah law.Than you David,thank you Angela.As for the Italians those heroes of WW2. Well what do you expect !!!?????
DFD says
Dom107 says “….”
Agree 100! I gather you’re Brit. So please sign the petition to ban sharia from the UK. Link: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107864
We need lots of signatures and have barely a month left. Pass the link to anybofy you can think of.
Kind regards
DFD
DP111 says
We are Refugees, if You Please
billybob says
That was really good! Almost shocking, as a matter of fact. I wonder if the Leftists would even get it?
grace says
Ha ha. Thanks. Will post this on uncensored seen.life and send to friends. They will love it.
Gungadin says
EXCELLENT !!! This should be forwarded to everyone !!! WELL DONE !!
Sam says
Wonderful! This is exactly what is happenning all over the world thanks to the religion of peace.
F******islam and enabling liberals!
DFD says
Brilliant. Will distribute it.
Thanks
gravenimage says
Grimly brilliant. Thanks for posting this, DP111.
WorkingClassPost says
Those boxes are not very artistic for the visit of such an aesthetic.
Couldn’t they have found a neat little off the shoulder burka or whatever it is that the blokes wear, to cover the offending naughty bits?
pdxnag says
In contrast they would not have been offended if there was instead an auction being held for a naked 9 year old sex slave Christian girl on display.
billybob says
Yea!
gravenimage says
*Very* true. Some Infidels just assume that Muslims are “prudish”–but the fact is they are fine with rape, pedophilia, and sex slavery.
Angemon says
Funny how it was Hollande, not Renzi, who made Rouhani “an offer he couldn’t refuse”…
Sally says
What, no Boeings?
patsw says
Today it’s a woman’s breast. Tomorrow it will be the cross.
Dave J says
We must not offend the delicate sensibilities of the rapists, murderers and en-slavers with the sight of other people enjoying wine and art. They can attack real women with abandon but a naked stone statue gives them the vapors?
The two-faced little Nazis. Don’t be late – submit now!
grace says
And how will they cater to our cultural ways if we go there? Oh that’s right, they are extremists and they don’t.
Richard P, Sweden says
How good of France. Why did Italy let its and all western civilizations culture be treated like that? Strange.
There are a lot of surrendering to islam in our time. Not the least so in Sweden.
Claiming islam and Christianity have the same God a parish – Nacka, Stockholm – in Sweden plans to build a mosque in direct connection to an existing modern church using money from a testimony given to the church for the project.
It was declined by 7 votes to six. Some 30 million SKR needed. The vicar anwered to claims that the new mosque (there are lots already) would invite members in different extreme muslim organizations like Hizb-ut-Tahrir with links to Tanzee-e-Islami and members of an antisemitic organization led by Yusuf al-Qaradawi :
– ” Yes, I know, a writing pointed out that there were such links, but the muslim community denies they have such values. ”
He has collected 5 million. Intends to go on to collect to fulfill the project. He will get money, presumably from some private giver, the community, the State or Saudi-Arabia.
Evasive attitudes like in Italy and as by the vicar in the mentioned parish in Sweden is too common nowadays in the western world.
The western world must not let islam grow. Hope that the US will not one day say like the swedish Prime that: – ” This could not have been predicted. ” – about the rapidly growing numbers of muslim men into his country.
gabi says
So, why should Christians understand and take care of Muslims, but Muslims are not supposed to understand Christians and take care of them too? Mirror, boys & girls, quid pro quo! (for Muslims: this means “I give so that you will give”, is in Latin and means: RECIPROCITY!!)
vicki says
No such thing as treat others as you would treat yourself in Islam. It is only treat fellow Muslims as you would yourself.
DFD says
gabi says “…, quid pro quo! (for Muslims: this means “I give so that you will give”, is in Latin and means: RECIPROCITY!!)
Dear Gabi,
Nice one. But don’t bother them with with Latin. More than half of them are illiterate to begin with. Never mind Latin. That’s pearls before the swine.
gravenimage says
Because there is no Golden Rule in Islam, nor even a sense of quid pro quo. There is a reason this phrase comes from Latin, and not Arabic. Islam is a one-way street.
dumbledoresarmy says
CAN one imagine – just imagine – what the late great Oriana Fallaci would have had to say about *this* display of dhimmitude from those who presume to govern her nation, her beloved patria?
To get the taste of this awful story out of your mouths – and I am thinking especially of any Italians here present, who if they are Islamo-aware, must be simply *furious* – here is the incomparable Fallaci, author of two unforgettable – indeed, two simply *scorching* books, “La Rabbia e L’Orgoglio’ and “La Forza del Ragione”.
“The Rage and the Pride”, and “The Force of Reason”.
If you have never read them, move heaven and earth to get hold of them, and read them.
Here is a link that will take you to a site where you can read the *whole* of La Rabbia e L’Orgoglio, in either Italian or English.
http://italian.about.com/library/fallaci/blfallaci01i.htm
Reread the posted story, a story of an Italian governing class hastening to prostrate itself before the ‘allah gang’, the mohammedan mob.
BUT THEN read “La Rabbia e l’Orgoglio”. All of it. Out loud. *Especially* if you are Italian or have Italian friends.
And *if* you have Italian friends, send them the link.
In fact, the best thing that Islamoresistant Italians could do for themselves, right now, would be to organise a few public readings of this piece, in Italy; preferably in front of instantly-recognisable monuments whether Christian, pagan or secular.
gravenimage says
Yes, DDA–the late Oriana Fallaci is marvelous, and a feisty antidote to this kind of cringing dhimmitude.
MTMLA says
It is ALWAYS the west, the non muslims bending and making changes to avoid offending muslimes while the muslimes do not deviate at all not to avoid offending non muslims even in our countries and they make demands and threats to do things that are contrary to our culture in OUR COUNTRIES. The whole islam offends me, the women wearing hefty bags offends me, men with their asses up praying in the middle of OUR western streets offend me and the list goes on. When in the west muslimes should adopt our ways.. or better not even be here.
ninetyninepct says
The ities are afraid to “offend” Iran. Being offended is simply a feeling, an opinion. I really don’t give a shit if Islam or muzzies are offended. Just like I don’t care if they feel cold or hungry or if the have the shits.
I DON’T CARE.
Now that the sculptures are covered they might as well be blown up. Better to be destroyed than to have statues of Italian ass kissers shown in public.
Walter Sieruk says
Not to get off the topic ,yet thing about jihad suicide/homicide bombing It is , most likely , performed by a male Muslim/ jihadist who is as deluded as he was dangerous and deadly. That is he is under strong delusion, in this case strong Islamic /Koranic delusion. Nevertheless, being under delusion is no excuse for doing evil. That he was deluded so deluded that he must of thought of his murderous bombing as a “martyrdom operation.” This Muslim who was also a jihadist must have had really believed that he would obtain for himself a paradise with many virgins, houris, in it for him if he died for the cause of Islam in the jihad as a “martyr.” As the Koran teaches in, for example, in 44:54. 55:56. 78:31. That jihadist /Muslim found out the hard way that he was taught total falsehood from the Koran. For after he died in committing that jihad attack he had a very harsh reality check. For instead of finding himself in any kind of paradise, with or without virgins, he found himself tragically suffering in the fires of an awful place that the Bible call hell. As the Bible teaches that a murderer “shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” Galatians 5: 21. In addition, those Muslim clerics, such as the imams who indoctrinate this story of a doctrine from the Koran of a lustful paradises of the flesh with many virgins into the hearts and minds of others. The Bible explains and warns about such false religious teachers who ingrain such a religious /story lust filled place of the flesh in to the beliefs and thought of other. For of such false teachers the Bible in Second Peter 2:18. reads “For they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh…” Moreover, the Bible also warns against listening to and believing in unproven and invalid religious stories. No matter just how enticing those religious stories may be. As the Bible warns against giving “heed to fables…” First Timothy 1:4. As for the jihadist with his Islamic pipedream in the Koranic story /doctrine of a place with virgins, such a man is in great contrast to the Christian who had the reality of Second Peter 1:16. Which reads “For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ…” [K.J.V.]
gravenimage says
Hugh Fitzgerald: No Need To Play The Dhimmi
…………………………
No, there was no need–but many Infidels are *eager* to do so.
This Mohammedan never should have been taken to a museum in the first place. What was the point–to point out what Muslims will target for destruction in the near future, just like the Bamiyan Buddhas?
More:
ROME — A decision to cover up nude statues from Roman antiquity during a visit by President Hassan Rouhani of Iran has drawn ridicule and scorn in Italy — much of it directed at the Italian government — and spurred a debate about the national identity.
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I’m *glad* it has drawn scorn–that’s exactly the reaction decent Westerners *should* have.
And note: unlike the Italians, the French for once stood strong on refusing to kow tow to Shari’ah norms:
“Lunch between the French and Iranian leaders is CANCELLED after President Hollande refused to take wine off the menu for his meeting with Muslim counterpart Rouhani”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3419814/Lunch-French-Iranians-CANCELLED-President-Hollande-refused-wine-menu-meeting-Muslim-counterpart-Rouhani.html
Of course, covering up the great works of Western civilization is *much* worse than just taking wine off the menu would have been.
More:
One of the statues was the “Capitoline Venus,” a Roman copy of a legendary fourth century B.C. work by Praxiteles; some of the other sculptures were of ancient Greek and Roman gods, dressed minimally, if at all….“The problem is that those statues — yes, those icons of classicism and models of humanism — are the foundation of European and Mediterranean culture and civilization,” the columnist Michele Serra wrote in La Repubblica. To conceal them, he wrote, “is to conceal ourselves.” To not offend the Iranian president, he wrote, “we offended ourselves.”
…………………………
*So true*. Here is this iconic work:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Venus_capitoline.JPG
More;
Quickly seizing the opportunity to spend some of Iran’s newly-released 100 billion (including two billions which were for accumulated interest on Iranian accounts in American banks that had been seized decades ago and were now, under the nuclear deal, to be returned) dollars, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani made a triumphal progress through Italy and France this past week.
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If Infidels actually believe they are apt to *make* money in dealing with ravening Muslims, most of them are in for a rude awakening. For the most part, dealing with Muslims, besides all of its other dangers, will do nothing but *impoverish* Western Infidels. That Europeans, who are hemorrhaging money over Muslim immigration and the resulting sky-rocketing crime and terrorism rate, should surely understand this by now.
This is what Muslims *always* demand–that Infidels in their lands observe Shari’ah law–and that Infidels dealing with Muslims in their *own* countries be forced to do the same.
DFD says
Robert Spencer says “…for 114 planes that was, all by itself, worth $7.5 billion”
My God! What type/kind of planes. I am not to sure I want to know.
Robert Spencer says
I didn’t write this piece. Hugh Fitzgerald did. Contrary to Islamic supremacist fantasy, we are two different people.
DFD says
Robert Spencer says “… I didn’t write this piece. Hugh Fitzgerald did. Contrary to Islamic supremacist fantasy, we are two different people.”
Apologies, I didn’t know that. But please be so kind and note: I am most definitely not an ‘Islamic supremacist’ – on the contrary. That’s why I often sign with:
Delando Islam
Regards
PS: The thought of selling them 114 planes is still scary, at least to me…
Western Canadian says
They would definitely be war-planes, probably the latest single seat fighter/bombers… The total price would include spare parts, weapons, support, training, and other efforts to support the machines.
Judi says
The spectre of jihadis running wild with drills and hammers in the Capitoline museums, smashing all the statues to pieces as they have done to ancient artefacts in Syria and elsewhere could soon become a reality.
Dom107 says
This is the ultimate expression of islamo-fascism destroying anything past or present not conforming to their hateful creed. Islam is the UKs fastest growing religion.,increasing ten times faster than the general population.This must be accounted for by the high birth rate of the muslim population as there are not that many converts.The general population continues to show a decrease in religious belief and activity and an increase in more vocal activity of secularists/atheists/rationalists so that is where the final battleground will ly. Small countries like Republic of Ireland and Denmark could very easily be swamped if they allow open access to their countries which they can’t stop being members of the EU.The EU now will have millions more Muslims who will get EU passports within 8 years and have freedom of movement anywhere in the EU.This is a extremely worrying prospect especially for the young freedom loving people of Europe.My advice to the UK which now has a chance to get out to vote
LEAVE in the coming referendum which will be their final chance to avoid the continuing disaster of the leadership of France and Germany who have so glaringly mismanaged their own immigration policy and have and will suffer terrible turmoil and terrorism in the years ahead.
Mark says
Please view and share the following video, it shows the danger of Islam. https://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y This next video is also worth watching. It deals with the credibility of Christianity. https://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y
The West has replaced children with consumer products. Child rearing has become a costly time consuming hobby. The time may be coming when having enough children to support us will be the only retirement security we will have.