“”I have no doubt that this pure blood will stain the collar of the House of Saud and wipe them from the pages of history.” The Sunni-Shi’ite jihad threatens a sharp escalation.
“Iran says Saudi Arabia will ‘pay a high price’ for execution of Shiite cleric Nimr al-Nimr,” ABC.net.au, January 2, 2016:
Iran has warned Saudi Arabia it will pay “a high price” for executing prominent Shiite cleric Nimr al-Nimr.
Saudi Arabia’s Interior Ministry said 47 people, mostly suspected Al Qaeda members but also Sheikh Nimr, were executed after being convicted of adopting the radical “takfiri” ideology, joining “terrorist organisations” and implementing various “criminal plots”.
The conservative Islamic kingdom, which usually executes people by public beheading, detained thousands of militant Islamists after a series of Al Qaeda attacks from 2003 to 2006 that killed hundreds, and has convicted hundreds of them.
However, it also detained hundreds of members of its Shiite minority after protests from 2011 to 2013, during which several policemen were killed in shooting and petrol bomb attacks.
Sheikh Nimr, a 56-year-old cleric, was a driving force of the protests that broke out in 2011 in the Sunni-ruled kingdom’s east, where the Shiite minority complains of marginalisation.
The list of those killed does not include Sheikh Nimr’s nephew, Ali al-Nimr, who was 17 when he was arrested following the protests.
The Interior Ministry statement began with Koranic verses justifying the use of execution and state television showed footage of the aftermath of Al Qaeda attacks in the last decade.
Saudi Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdulaziz Al al-Sheikh appeared on television soon after to describe the executions as just.
The execution has angered Saudi Arabia’s main regional rival, Shiite Iran, with the country’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Hossein Jaber Ansari threatening retaliation.
“The Saudi Government supports terrorist movements and extremists, but confronts domestic critics with oppression and execution … the Saudi Government will pay a high price for following these policies,” Mr Ansari said.
The comments came after prominent Iranian cleric Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami — who has close links to Iran’s ruling establishment — denounced the execution and predicted the repercussions would bring down the Saudi ruling family.
“I have no doubt that this pure blood will stain the collar of the House of Saud and wipe them from the pages of history,” Ayatollah Khatami, a member of the Assembly of Experts and a Friday prayer leader, told the Mehr news agency.
“The crime of executing Sheikh Nimr is part of a criminal pattern by this treacherous family… the Islamic world is expected to cry out and denounce this infamous regime as much as it can.”
Iraq’s former prime minister and a prominent politician with ties to Iran, Nuri al-Maliki, said the execution will mark the end of Saudi Arabia’s government.
“We strongly condemn these detestable sectarian practices and affirm that the crime of executing Sheikh al-Nimr will topple the Saudi regime as the crime of executing the martyr (Mohammed Baqir) al-Sadr did to Saddam (Hussein),” said Mr Maliki, referring to another prominent Shiite cleric killed in 1980….
Seminary students marched through the Iranian holy city of Qom to protest against the execution of Sheikh Nimr, the Iranian Mehr news agency said hours after news of the execution was released…

Ralph says
Details about Islam
For years details about Islam have flown under the radar. Until 9/11 that is .The 13 men who flew the planes were all, can you guess? Yes, they were all Muslim.
Yes there is a lot of anger, however I believe it is righteous anger. The key to dealing with anger correctly is as the bible says “be angry, but in your anger do not sin”.
I have nothing but loathing for this filthy, vile, hateful, religion called Islam. Its founder, and false “prophet” Mohamed, was a pedophile, who took a 5 year old girl as his wife, and had sex with her. Muslims men regard women as property; the women trapped in this unholy religion are victims.
The Quran exhorts killing anyone who does not share the insane Islamic beliefs, and anyone who converts to another religion also is to be killed.
The Quran also encourages Muslim men to rape women and , little girls(infidels) aren’t Muslim, even stating that this will bring them closer to their false god Allah. Any of you want to know Allah better?
In their defense though, they don’t eat pork, so I guess their cholesterol levels are healthy (sarcasm). Before anyone rushes to judgment on Ben Carson or Donald Trump, do a little research, Muslims only have one Quran and by its very nature it is RADICAL.
Hateful, vile religion that treats women like things, and encourages rape and murder; Seriously, should be outlawed in America, where we are under US law, and the laws of God, not Shari law.
The “Holy Quran” enjoin all Muslims to do one of three things to “Infidels” (non-Muslims):
1) Convert them,
2) Enslave them, or
3) Kill them.
The first of these seldom occurs in the hands of Muslim terrorists, as they regard non-Muslims as inferior beings, such as swine.
The second is preferable to the first, especially when the victim is a young girl or woman.
The third is preferable to the first and the second when the victim is a man. Per the Quran, the preferred method of killing non-Muslims is to “smite them at the neck” (behead them with a sword or long knife).
And as we have witnessed in recent times, Muslim terrorists in the Mideast have crucified young Christian boys and burned men alive, to include a Jordanian Muslim pilot who was captured when his plane was downed. Coupled with the attack on 9/11/2001, these images have much to do with the reaction of Americans who are not Muslim whenever the subject raises its ugly head.
The non-Muslims didn’t start this: the Muslims did! They have remained relentless in their pursuit of a Caliphate since the 7th century AD.
Budvarakbar says
The Koran is a hate book and the same Koran is used from Gibraltar to the P.I.
Dr. Christopher Lee says
I agree, the koran is a book of Hate and should be destroyed.
But, I don’t understand what is P.I.?
Donovan Nuera says
Phillipines? (Moro island in the south end)
Richard says
The question is, or should be, is Islam a religion? What kind of religion prescribes death and dismemberment to all non-Muslims?
Tiredofstupid says
19 hijackers not 13, Aisha was 6 when she was married to mo and 9 when he raped her not 5. If you don’t get the basics right what else are you wrong about? At least you’re not SHOUTING like some.
Peggy says
Minor details. So at the age of 9 you are ready to be raped?
The facts were still correct. A 9 year old child is still a child and any contact like that is rape.
Shane says
The liberal answer to the Muslim problem is to ignore that it is a problem and say that Islam is no more violent and misogynistic than any other religion. We need to elect a conservative president and to elect more Republicans to Congress.
Richard says
More Republicans?? They helped create the morass that now exists in the Middle East. They flame their base, fundamentalist Christians. They want to bomb, bomb, bomb. Bush was responsible for killing 650,000 Iraqis. Why wouldn’t they hate us? The solution? Get out of the Middle East militarily. Bring all weapons and all personnel home. Start educating the populace on what a sick system Islam is.
Peggy says
So you think that the reason Muslims hate us is because of us going in to their country and bombing them? Sure that is a part of it but only a small part.
Islam has tried to eradicate us since it started. They have taken over ME almost entirely and would have taken Europe had we not repelled them and this was all before America was even discovered.
Think about it.
Richard S. says
Islam is the human brain with a serious tumor, depriving it of the ability to think clearly, rationally and compassionately. As with Naziism, it is a cancer, a sickness. This is what happens when a whole lot of people have sick and depraved leaders. The Middle East needs a Thomas Paine perhaps, or a Thomas Jefferson, a Samuel Adams.
Richard S. says
The Muslims hate us because we have a military presence in the Middle East and because we are infidels. Period. Bush and Rubio lied when they said that we were hated because of our freedoms. Baloney. Muslims couldn’t care less about freedom. Islam is antithetical to Western democratic principles.
Peggy says
Not all republicans are useful. Some have sold their souls to the same master as the democrats.
Not much of a choice out there.
Richard S. says
Politics is the art of the possible, not the probable nor the preferable. There is a distinct difference between Republicans and Democrats. Examples: Medicare and Social Security. Voting Rights Act. Rescue from the Republican recession. We voters need to make choices and sometimes that is the lesser of two bads.
Charli Main says
The Arab invasion of Persia resulted in the genocidal murder of millions of Persians and the forced conversion to Islam of the survivors. The Persians have long memories and it looks like payback time is finally on the way.
I believe that the Chinese say—–revenge is a dish best serve cold.
Budvarakbar says
Ha — they are 95% still muslims – and they are THE Aryan race
Renee says
Sure, lets start another conflict, we were running short of conflicts in this mad world.
Budvarakbar says
“Let’s” === “Let us” what the hell do you mean “us”? and since when is there anything “new” about conflicts in the ME?
Wake up — nothing new under the Muslim sun — this Sunni-Shiite conflict has been going on for 1300+ years — where have you been??
Sam Hawkins says
Airdrop 1,000,000 machetes and 1,000,000 hacksaws on the Muslim countries of the Middle East. Monitor the situation as it evolves, then replenish the weapons of whichever side appears to be losing.
Rinse and repeat.
ekbano says
Excellent, give Sam Hawkins a cigar.
Peggy says
Sure, but only after all non Muslims have been evacuated.
mortimer says
10% of Saudi citizens are Shi’ites. They face discrimination and repression. This will end badly for them. They will suffer even more. Most will want to be considered refugees.
Charlie in NY says
They also live predominately near Saudi Arabia’s main oil fields – that’s the real tripwire or Achilles heel if you want to use a more exclusively infidel literary image.
particolor says
And then the Saudis will boot them out and send them West !! OH Dear !! 🙁
DFD says
mortimer says: “…Most will want to be considered refugees.”
Oh my God! That’s roughly 700,000 mor refugees to Europe….
I really hope ypu’re wrong.
Delando Islam
Don McKellar says
Ironically, Obama, a sunni moslem, has empowered Iran during with his disastrous deal and given them 150 billion to rattle their saber with. And when Iran dumps 500,000 barrels of oil a day on the world market, it’s going to punish America’s newfound shale oil independence even more, causing even more bankruptcies. All the big problems in the world seem to lead back to Obama. Have you noticed that? Now why do you think that is?
Godwin says
Obama’s father was a shi’ite, not a Sunni. That is why he gave a special deal to Iran.
Aloha Snackbar says
But he shows utter deference to Saud. Ever see the picture of him bowing to the oil king? Repugnant, unconstitutional. Our president is legal equal to all heads of state. But since at least 1974, the US has been kowtowing to Saud, and the Brits have always supported them against all comers. We are screwed as long as Wahhabis enjoy such exalted status.
jura says
kenya is not shiite but sunni
Njwe says
Kenya is Sunni? What is wrong with you? Kenya, for your info IS NOT a Muslim nation!!!!
I know. I am Kenyan. Am there right this minute. And Obama ain’t ours. He is your’n. If he was ours, he would at least be republican.
Don McKellar says
You’re buying the lies coming out of Iran recently. Which arab news commentators seized on.
In fact:
1) Kenya is 74% sunni moslem, where his father comes from.
2) No shia moslem would bow to the sunni king of Saudi Arabia as Obama infamously did.
3) Indonesia where he first went to school which is 99% sunni moslem. He was enrolled as moslem in a sunni moslem school there.
4) Why does he stubbornly insist that Assad must go, when Iran supports Assad, and sunni moslems all say he must go?
5) Why did Obama support the sunni moslem brotherhood in Egypt?
One of the most important things to remember when trying to get to the bottom of things with moslems is that it’s all lies and deception coming out of their mouths. The only way you can really know what’s going on is to look at the facts look at their actual actions and deduce them logically.
Don McKellar says
If you want to know why he gave Iran the nuclear freedom it wanted on a silver platter, it is because they are the ones pushing hardest for Israel’s destruction.
GuntherL says
Kenya is 6-11% muslim, not 74%.
gravenimage says
Don meant that of Muslims in Kenya, 74% are Sunni.
Njwe says
KENYA IS 80% CHRISTIAN!!!! YOU AMERICANS GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT.
A BIT OF READING WOULD BE A GOOD INVESTMENT.
AM KENYAN. I AM IN KENYA RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
gravenimage says
Most Muslims in Kenya–including those of the Luo tribe–are Sunni.
But Obama has been keen on furthering Islam in general–including Shia Iran.
This is similar to Muslims in the West, who cheer the expansion of Islam, even if it is Shia regarding a largely Sunni growth–we see this all the time with Muslim troll Rezali Mehil, even though she is Shi’ite–or even orthodox Muslims in the US regarding Black Muslims, who they do not otherwise even consider to be Muslim.
The general rule of thumb is that Muslims always prefer to see growth of their own specific sect, but if *any* Muslims are making inroads on the Infidel, they applaud it. The figure they will sort things out later, when the West has become more Islamized.
Iran itself has tended to modify their criticism Sunni states, even when they are oppressing or murdering Shia, since Sunnis represent the majority of Muslims and Iran wants to curry influence with them. But it takes little to tip any intersect issues in Islam into mutual bloody internecine savagery.
Rezali Mehil says
Salaam Graven…
Happy kuffar year to you .. you have set the wrong tone to begin it with …but then one
should not expect any less from a woman who has no children and has to spend a lonely Christmas and new year with no one other than hubby Dennis …consoling her soiled ears with the new wider earrings that Dennis gave you as a Christmas present…and eating jaffa oranges to boot.
You say “Muslims cheer the expansion of Islam, even if it is Shia regarding a largely Sunni growth–we see this all the time with Muslim troll Rezali Mehil, even though she is Shi’ite”.
Please do NOT speak for me … I can do that for myself… I have a degree from a British Degree… I speak and write in many languages …unlike your (one and only) Unglish (US English).
Also I am not a troll… I am a commentator …who gives you the right to label me as such… unless and until Mr Spencer decides not to allow me to comment … I have the right (like you) to exercise my opinion on matters that gravely concern me, my sect and my gender in possibly one of the most important and defining moments of my religion.
For the record …my belief is that Islam and only Islam holds the keys to entering Jannat (paradise to you) …peoples do it in different ways ..and JW only deals with the Jahid element … but I concentrate on cupped hand Dua.
The more Islam there is ..the more peoples will concentrate on cupped hand Dua…and that can only be better for the world as a whole.
Do not think for a moment that Sunni-Shia jostling for position will only be confined to the ME …no it will take place around the Duniya… and over time kuffar will have little choice but to side with one of the other …you cannot sit back and watch …your leaders and our leaders will not allow it.
So I implore you …cup your hands …ask Champ , Mirren, DDA and Joseph…ask Dennis, ask Wellington to join you in welcoming your selves in the shia world of marvels…dua yourselves into spiritual oblivion …lose your kuffar identity and join the path to Allah SWT and Muhammad SAW remember Ali (RA) is his friend.
More Later …
Rezali
Jay Boo says
The world “pays a high price” for not revealing the shameful life and bloodstained footsteps of the satanic verse quoting pretender from Mecca.
Sam Hawkins says
I don’t mind Islamics like Rezali being allowed to post on JW, in fact I welcome it because it gives us insight into their mindset. However, this vicious personal attack on a respected JW commenter should be deleted IMHO.
gravenimage says
The appalling Rezali Mehil wrote:
Salaam Graven…
Happy kuffar year to you .. you have set the wrong tone to begin it with …but then one
should not expect any less from a woman who has no children and has to spend a lonely Christmas and new year with no one other than hubby Dennis …consoling her soiled ears with the new wider earrings that Dennis gave you as a Christmas present…and eating jaffa oranges to boot.
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My husband’s name is not Dennis–I don’t know where this Muslim troll got this from, any more than the odd comments about my pierced ears. But “Dennis” is urban slang for a good guy, so this is appropriate in that regard.
And no–we have lovely California-grown oranges here.
More:
You say “Muslims cheer the expansion of Islam, even if it is Shia regarding a largely Sunni growth–we see this all the time with Muslim troll Rezali Mehil, even though she is Shi’ite”.
Please do NOT speak for me … I can do that for myself…
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And this is exactly the stance this “Rafidite dog”–the Sunni term for Shia–has taken.
More:
I have a degree from a British Degree…
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I think this line aptly illustrates Rezali Mehil’s “erudition”…
More:
I speak and write in many languages …unlike your (one and only) Unglish (US English).
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No one refers to American English as “Unglish”–where did she get this? Besides, I read and speak German, as well, so this is inaccurate in any case.
More:
Also I am not a troll… I am a commentator …who gives you the right to label me as such… unless and until Mr Spencer decides not to allow me to comment … I have the right (like you) to exercise my opinion on matters that gravely concern me, my sect and my gender in possibly one of the most important and defining moments of my religion.
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Of course I can opine that the sickening Rezali Mehil–someone who flogs the idea of child rape and all the other barbarism of Shari’ah law–is a troll.
And the implication that Robert Spencer automatically bans trolls is quite false. He has noted many times that allowing Muslim thugs to comment here exposes the Islamic mind set and is *very* illuminating.
I concur–Rezali Mehil herself has exposed the barbarism of Islam here many times.
More:
For the record …my belief is that Islam and only Islam holds the keys to entering Jannat (paradise to you) …peoples do it in different ways ..and JW only deals with the Jahid (sic) element … but I concentrate on cupped hand Dua.
The more Islam there is ..the more peoples will concentrate on cupped hand Dua…and that can only be better for the world as a whole.
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Jihad is, of course, only the most gaudy horror of Islam–but Shari’ah law, which all pious Muslims seek to impose, is also horrifying. Shia Iran oppresses non-Muslims, tortures free-thinkers, hangs gay people, and stones women to death.
This is what they want to do to all of us.
More:
Do not think for a moment that Sunni-Shia jostling for position will only be confined to the ME …no it will take place around the Duniya… and over time kuffar will have little choice but to side with one of the other …you cannot sit back and watch …your leaders and our leaders will not allow it.
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More threats of Muslim violence in the West.
And this would be like taking sides between the Nazi Brown Shirts and Black Shirts–they are both barbarians and wish us ill just as they do each other.
Once again, this is just Rezali Mehil hoping to get civilized Infidels to do her dirty work for her fellow Shia against her Sunni enemies.
More:
So I implore you …cup your hands …ask Champ , Mirren, DDA and Joseph…ask Dennis, ask Wellington to join you in welcoming your selves in the shia world of marvels…dua yourselves into spiritual oblivion …lose your kuffar identity and join the path to Allah SWT and Muhammad SAW remember Ali (RA) is his friend.
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None of the good Anti-Jihadists here would fall for this suicidal stupidity–why do trolls like Rezali Mehil even bother with this witless Da’wa?
Peggy says
First you hurl insults and then expect people to take the rest of your post seriously.
Maybe Robert Spencer should ban insulting comments but we live in a democracy and freedom of speech prevails. You have the right to be insulting but expect to be ignored eventually.
Nothing wrong with you defending your religion. You can have it and be enslaved by it but you have no right to impose it on anyone else and should not be defending anyone doing it just because they are of the same religion. By endorsing your religion and trying to spread it, you show that you do agree with all of it and we can safely assume that you agree with spreading it any way you can.
Thank you for coming on here, showing us how “tolerant” and “civil” you are. You as an example of Islam definitely works wonderfully as a deterrant for it.
CogitoErgoSum says
Evil always seems to have a way of bringing about it’s own destruction. It will be interesting (but also very dangerous to observers) to the watch the conflict between these two particular evils as they try to destroy each other and bring about their own destruction in the process.
CogitoErgoSum says
Correction: “it’s” should be “its.” I hate when I do that.
marty@kol.co.nz says
Frankie Zappa’s apostrophe!!!!!
Jack Diamond says
Maliki in 2013 called for the direction of the Qibla to be changed from Mecca to (Shi’a) Karbala (where Hussein was martyred). That tells you something. The Iranians liked to call the Saudis British agents, or worse, accuse the al-Saud family of having Jewish origins, the animosity (“wipe them from the pages of history”) is such that the first target of a future Iranian nuclear weapon might not be Israel at all.
2016 will continue to be “interesting times” but all such fissures in the “Camp of Islam” benefit Infidels.
Westman says
Iranian dictatorship ranting is incessant about one thing or another. Just change the names and places and it’s the same rant, like some crow with a limited song. Delusionally, the song is everybody will pay a high price for offending the dictatorship; the dictatorship being the right hand of Allah. No need to ask; the vomit spews forth from its pus-bag to the musical chant of, “Death to (fill in the offender here)!”.
What does the dictatorship really want? Mecca, Jerusalem, and domination of the region. And what nations keep Iran from getting them? America and Israel.
Iran’s dictator has always wanted SA under his control and one execution of a shiite cleric will change nothing; it only reinforces the accurate brutal image of Islam.
Budvarakbar says
““We strongly condemn these detestable sectarian practices and affirm that the crime of executing”
Sectarian??? — Bullshiite — it is straight out of the Koran
خَليفة says
Maybe Iran will do the world a favor by nuking Mecca and killing all the Saudi royals where ever they are. Allah will protect the Kabbah, and neither will anyone else. Then the Sunni will wipe out all Shiites, loosing countless numbers in the process. The surviving Sunnis will become disolussioned after the initial lust for revenge and realizing no one will ever be able to do all 5 pillars of Islam since the kabbah is obliterated. They slowly abandon Islam, go back to school and learn a trade and get a regular job. The world free of Islam becomes a nice place once again.
Well, I can dream can’t I?
خَليفة says
Allah will NOT protect the kabbah…and neither will anyone else…..
iPad text so tiny, I hate trying to edit ……
خَليفة says
…Allah will NOT PROTECT The kabbah nor will anyone else..
iPad hard to edit on, text too tiny for my poor old eyes, fingers too fat….
Don McKellar says
Imagine the likelyhood of a moslem theocracy nuking its spiritual home? Imagine the shia clerics bowing down and praying in the direction of the sacred city that they just destroyed. Destroying the tomb of the prophet for which they owe everything to. How likely do you think that is? Think about it for 2 seconds.
If Putin, for example, came to the (correct) conclusion that it is the only way out of this nightmare and turned mecca into a lake of radioactive glass, what do you think would happen in the brains of all those moslems, sunni AND shia, who bow down and pray to that place five times a day? Their brains would implode. Islam, as it exists today, would be no more as it is now “touchable” and no longer divine. It would force the massive reform which Islam desperately needs — if it cannot be eradicated all together. Not that Putin would do such a thing — even though such a move would also save Russia’s oil-based economy.
خَليفة says
You are right Don.
I was just dreaming Iran would act irrationally in revenge of SA executing a Shiite cleric.
salim says
Mecca was attacked, set on fire and destroyed several times before, not by kuffar but by Muslims, and the Kaaba was destroyed. Thousands of pilgrimage were killed. This was done by the Ummayads Caliphate and also by the Baramika who removed the black sone and kept it with them (in the eastern of Arabia) for 20 years. We are not sure if the black stone of today is the original one. Anyway, all that is left of the black stone are small pieces in metal cast.
It is often forgotten that Muslims never in their history reached the level of zealous they reached today. Immediately after Mohammed’s death, Muslims abandoned Islam and were forced into it by Abu Bakr at the price of hundreds of thousands of lives. What we see today is unprecedented and very scary.
Jack Diamond says
Saudi bad dreams:
“The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. People go to Hajj (Pilgrimage) to rub their hands on stones and not to worship Allah. We swear that if we occupy it we will destroy the Ka’ba that is worshiped”–Islamic State tweet.
“Islam is not the religion of peace, but the religion of war!… Āl Salūl (Saudi Arabia) and the rulers of the Arabian Peninsula are not people of war nor do they have the patience for it. Rather, they are people of luxury and extravagance, people of intoxication, prostitution, dances, and feasts. They have become accustomed to the defense of the Jews and Crusaders for them and their hearts have drunk humiliation, disgrace, and subservience.” — Caliph Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi
“Since Britain handed over the power to Al Saud hundred years ago they continued their bloodshed, murder and looting. The Saudi hands are drenched in the blood of Muslims and are hostile to Islam. They were behind the massacres committed by the Zionist entity in southern Lebanon and the wars waged on Gaza.” –Ayatollah Khatami
Westman says
A more primative version of Mekka:
http://nativepakistan.com/wp-content/uploads/Rare-Photos-of-Mecca-Rare-photo-of-Kaaba-Mecca-in-1953-Old-Rare-Photos-pictures-images-of-Mecca-Makkah.jpg
What a difference a little oil can make…
خَليفة says
Must watch videos about Kaaba
The end has clip in Arabic with English subtitles
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ifUS_WrY3Q0
Why face Mecca to pray? Business opportunity.
References sura 2:115
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mgKUwpvycqk
References Sura 7:31
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MFZfqBAIPJw
gravenimage says
Don, I know many Anti-Jihadists have expressed this belief, but I’m afraid I think it would make little difference if Mecca *were* destroyed.
I don’t think it would end Islam at all–Muslims would just “find” some remnant of the black rock and set the whole thing up again as soon as the radiation cooled (or knowing the state of science in the Muslim world, probably well before that).
Muslims world-wide would continue bowing to the hole in the ground, and they would just have a new “grievance” against the Infidels.
And as noted, Muslims *themselves* have targeted and damaged Mecca, the Kaabah, and the Hadj pilgrimage.
It would take more than just the destruction of a site–no matter how significant–to end this vile creed.
KnowThyEnemy says
IMO it would take the destruction of the ideology itself. It would take destruction of Islam as belief-system. But that is not going to happen until the lazy non-Muslims overcome their greed and cowardice, and start pointing out that Islam is from the devil and is harmful and poisonous!
We still have a long way to get there!
Paladin says
“How can we blame the joooooooz for this?” Said both Iran and Saudi spokesman.
salim says
Murdering 47 prisoners in one day is a crime against humanity on a large scale. We know Saudi Arabia is evil and has been doing this since the days of Ibn Saud. However, we didn’t know that the Western leaders are so coward to condemn an atrocity on this scale.
Charli Main says
With the help of David Ali Cameron, Saudi Arabia was elected on to the and is now a leading light in the United Nations Human Rights Commission.
Saudi Arabia on the UNHRC is a good definition of a sick joke.
Peggy says
And then when you country is being criticized for human rights violations by SA it brings the joke to a whole new level again.
Australia was critisized in that department. How bad must Australia be? This is more than an insult. It smacks of provocation but then who takes SA seriously?
shoehorn of africa says
Escalate away! With Allah on their side, they’re sure to knock each other out.
Linde Barrera says
I just pray and hope that the person who is president of the US at the time Iran attacks Saudi Arabia (if that happens) doesn’t say to the king of Saudi Arabia, “Your majesty, I guarantee to send US troops to defend you and the House of Saud against those Iranians if they attack you first”. I for one (out of many) do not want to see our young men and women in active military duty have to be sent to any more Islamic countries. Let them fight each other. “War is deceit” said Muhammad. And he is so right. The US and the coalition countries need to tell the leaders of the Islamic countries that they all agree with Muhammad, they are not getting involved, and the Islamists will just have to fight it out among themselves. End of story.
Westman says
That contract is already in force as the price of having 5 (Five!) US air bases and one unnamed CIA drone base in Saudi Arabia. There is a similar Naval arrangement in Bahrain. It’s all about keeping the Royals in real civil power rather than the Imams and holding off Iran.
Most of the large-scale historic wars between Muslims(on Muslims) have been between Muslim Aristocracy(like Royals) and the Ulema(Cleric/scholar Class).
Reno Earl says
My financial adviser has the Iran – Saudi melt down scenario in the mix. Suni – Shiite conflict has impact on certain markets besides oil price. Already in short or long mode in various areas. Sad but true, a conflict like this moves various markets.
Wellington says
Sound statement, Reno Earl. Best to prepare accordingly.
And again can be seen how the completely effed up Islamic sphere of mankind has deleterious effects in sundry ways upon the rest of the world. Damn Islam for this. What a burden to all the world it is. Macrocosmically speaking, it is the ultimate pain in the ass on earth.
Wellington says
Any Persian worth his or her salt should want to be a Zoroastrian over being a Muslim. Islam brutalized ancient Persian culture and made Persia just another appendage of Arab imperialism. Besides, Zoroastrianism is not only native to Iran but is an enlightened religion, easily so, compared to Islam. Iran would be far better off with Magi than with mullahs. Were I of Iranian stock, knowing what I do, Islam would serve as a massive intrusion and insult to my ethnicity and heritage.
Jay Boo says
I wonder if some Persians secretly long for a separate identity from Mecca when they refer to Allah and say “Khoda Hafez” instead of “Allah Hafez”,
Maybe that is too much to expect.
خَليفة says
Muslims are not supposed to wear mustaches? Why? Because the Persians did.
Seems odd that Allah would tell them not to change their facial hair, and then tell them not to have mustaches – you can’t do both – such is the dualism in Islam.
Clearly, Islam iwas made by dummies for dummies.
jewdog says
I read that the State Department was concerned that this was going to exacerbate sectarian tensions. Good! Please pass the popcorn.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Muslims killing other muslims? Here’s to that!
Edward says
“”I have no doubt that this pure blood will stain the collar of the House of Saud and wipe them from the pages of history.” – ABC.net.au
“Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man – Genesis 9:6
It’s God’s vengeance not Iran’s!
Hmm, self annihilation!
Muhammad discarded the book of Genesis and Deuteronomy; his greatest mistake.
“It is mine to avenge; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them.” – Deuteronomy 32:35
King Sobieski says
Never before in world history has there been such a perfect convergence of factors enabling an all out Shia/ Sunni ( Wahabbi ) war . This seems to have been fascilitated by the actions and inactions of the Obama administration . The Iranian Shia want control of the Holy lands and Obama wants to give them the resources to accomplish this , by ignorance or intent .
2016 will be a very interesting year .
(Dr.) Sandy Kramer says
In the Islamic civil war, please bear in mind that there is no “good guy/bad guy” dichotomy. Both Shia and Sunni Muslims are “bad guys”. It’s not zero sum and the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” does not apply. The most rational posture is “a pox on both your houses”, or as the Marines say: “Kill them all and let allah sort them out”. Semper fi !!!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
‘Semper Fi!’ is right Dr.
It’s worth noting, I think, that when you watch islam addressing their differences, all you hear/see is ‘blood, blood, blood’…
See: When you bypass the Renaissance, the Enlightenment and every other era of human learning, then brag about it? ‘Blood’ is all you can say.
All I wanted for Christmas was to watch muslims destroy each other. It’s a little late, but I’ll take it.
Sam says
Aha! Those Jews again. Lets boycott Israel!
Edward says
Are you trying be funny? The Jews are God’s chosen! The Holy Scriptures affirm their place in humanity and you nor I cannot change that fact. Jews have been the proverbial
scapegoats for all that ails humanity.As stewards of the world we are the problem, so let’s use our God given gift, our brains to get out of this perpetual convoluted mud!
gravenimage says
Edward, Sam means that *Muslims* are always blaming Israel and the Jews.
Linde Barrera says
Hi dear gravenimage, I saw what the disgusting Rezali Mehil wrote about you and your excellent response to “her”. (I have said it before and I say it here now, I think Rezali Mehil is a man parading as a female.) I would rather die than become a Muslim and I am pretty sure most JW commenters wouldn’t become Muslim either. So Rezali can go shake her bracelets somewhere else. Islam is an evil and heinous ideology and Allah does whatever Muhammad (the raping, murdering, slave taking narcissist) wants. Graven, I am still praying for your mother in law.
gravenimage says
Thank you so much, Linde. A Happy New Year to you and yours!
Rezali Mehil says
Salaam Linde,
This muslimah has not had a gender change …so pls …stop it.
Graven’s MIL is always dreaming of her last days being in Egypt…of once again being in the land of the Pharaohs, to which she had given many dedicated years of her study.
Graven however is being extremely cruel by not letting her go …her hate of Islam in Egypt is greater than her love for her MIL…she SHOUTS her down…
Stop it you old h*g ..can you not see the state of my ears already …besides they don’t sell jaffa oranges there …
Her poor mum keeps “mum” to keep the peace ..she hides her tears…she does not want Dennis to get an earful (no pun intended).
Linde… I think it would be mighty Christian of you to not broach Graven about this subject ever again …you know how sensitive she is…
More Later …
Rezali
gravenimageg says
Rezali Mehil seems to spend an unhealthy amount of time engaged in bizarre and twisted fantasies about me.
I suppose this really should not surprise, given the nature of Mohammdans.
gravenimage says
And look–the Iranian Muslims *are* already blaming the Jews for this–as though they had any influence in Saudi Arabia…:
“Iranians blame US, Israel for Saudi execution of Shi’ite cleric”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/iranians-blame-us-israel-for-saudi-execution-of-shiite-cleric
Phil says
I`m fed up with nutters talking about god, any god, as if it was something real. It`s just such laughable nonsense that there is a god and shows how gullible and flawed the human mind is still even in 2016. Reality rules and thats evolution. This nonsense that a god made us is what divides us and should be left in the history books as an example of how ignorant we used to be.
The religious cult of islam is the worst by far and has not changed in around 1400 years. How can the world make progress in human rights and equality with this barbaric cult infecting society?
Champ ✞ says
Question: “Is God real? How can I know for sure that God is real?”
Answer: We know that God is real because He has revealed Himself to us in three ways: in creation, in His Word, and in His Son, Jesus Christ.
More here: http://www.gotquestions.org/is-God-real.html
Sam says
Well. We all wish Islam would destroy itself but it does not. Most likely scnerio is Obama brings in all minority shiites to America from middle east with the help from Germany’s Merkel and peace talks will start with Israel on a two state solution with John Kerry. Hillary also wins thanks to the infighting idiot Republicans.
Man I was trying to be funny but now I am depressed.
DFD says
sam says: “Man I was trying to be funny but now I am depressed.”
You are depressed? Think about us poor Europeans. We are governed by Merkel, Cameron, Hollande & Co. Believe me, most of us are suffering by now from PEST, that means Post Election Stress Trauma.
Rgards and
Delando Islam
Peggy says
If Europeans voted for the right candidates you wouldn’t have this problem.
What do you expect when most people vote for the main parties.
UK has other options, France has other options, The Netherlands have other options. There are people out there to vote for.
Why not enough are voting for them?
I feel the same way here in Australia too. We have other options but most people are so used to voting for either Labor or Liberal and there is no difference or not enough of a difference between them. Until more people wake up we will continue to sleepwalk to our destruction.
James says
If you think it is a good thing, think again. The first country to suffer tension in the middle east is Israel. Easiest target to prey on when panic levels are in peak.
Reno Earl says
Bombard pro Sharia law websites with commentary on how Moslem law provides for this kind of behavior from the Saudis. No hate speech. Remember they just gave women voting rights.
Back home amp up energy production from coal and other sources to get ready to give Middle East the energy middle finger. Get survivalist quantities of popcorn and seats at the tube and watch the sad action. One of the long financial plays mentioned in a previous post involves the popcorn industrial complex.
Donovan Nuera says
If you say “Nimr-Nimr-Nimr”, one can sound like actor William Ames from “Charles in Charge” with his catchphrase “Neener-Neener-Neener!” snarky retort!
Edward says
I guess somebody or an external source (?) used Muhammad to finagle with the Holy Scriptures…..eliminating Christianity’s creation account. Allah didn’t go for the “Created in God’s Image” concept. For Allah wants it all….controlling humanity totally. For if the Christianity creation account concept was recorded in the quran today…..Islam wouldn’t be existent today nor would the Saudi dilemma be news worthy either!
http://www.iqrasense.com/allah/islamic-viewpoint-on-god-made-man-in-his-own-image.html
“Islam does not agree with this statement. Allah (SWT), God, has attributes which belong to Him alone, such as His being the Creator, the Provider, the One God, etc.”
If Mohammad’s spirit is still viable, he would be probably be complaining “the devil made me do it”! Kinda snarky huh!
Edward says
My comment continues:
“Islam does not agree with this statement. Allah (SWT), God, has attributes which belong to Him alone, such as His being the Creator, the Provider, the One God, etc.” “These are characteristics which a created being cannot acquire.” Such is the case by which is quoted in this last sentence.
Islam’s adherents have always cherry picked passages from the Holy Scriptures that in fact has been beneficial in strengthening their beliefs. At times, ignoring whole Christian tenets to highlight their justified evil causes being mandated by the quran.
Islamic scholar Ibn al-Qayyim who said of Allah: “He is All-Knowing and loves those who have knowledge; He is Merciful and loves those who show mercy; He does good and loves those who do good; He is the Concealer and loves those who conceal;” (that would happen be the concealment the absolute TRUTH)
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Lacking knowledge of what is written in Psalm 8:3-8 reveals the true ignorance of all Islam’s adherents:
“When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, The moon and the stars, which You have ordained; What is man that You take thought of him,
You make him to rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet, All sheep and oxen, And also the beasts of the field, The birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea, Whatever passes through the paths of the seas.”
In conclusion:
When man is conceived in God’s Image it is a gift given to us a token of LOVE and not a badge of god like honor….,
“And the son of man that You care for him? Yet You have made him a little lower than God (Himself), And You crown him with glory and majesty!”
‘Out of LOVE’, all of God’s human creations ‘MATTERS TO HIM’!
Edward says
My error: (that would happen be the concealment the absolute TRUTH)
Should be : (that would happen be the concealment of the absolute TRUTH)
Good night everyone!
Richard says
Allah (God, to some) has attributes attributed to him (it) by mere mortal men and women. Allah is a figment of human imagination. We haven’t a clue whence we came, Bronze age creation myths to the contrary notwithstanding. We do know that earth’s time (and therefore ours) is limited. People believe what they want to believe. Hardly anything can change that. What we also know is that truth, freedom and justice are the products of science and reason. Religion continues to be an obstacle in the way. Some hardy souls are capable of escaping the grip of superstition and vain hope.
Edward says
gravenimage says, “but only Islam is out to kill you.”
Oh its you again……say something intelligent so I will consider what you spew!.
Richard S. says
Please forgive my feeble mind because I have difficultly comprehending some of these things. As I understand it, the Qur’an was dictated by the angel Gabriel, to the illiterate Arab nomad, Muhammad, over a 24-year period and then Muhammad, from memory, dictated what he was told by Gabriel to scriveners.
God gave Moses two tablets containing the Ten Commandments. The tablets have since been lost. Doesn’t God know where they are so that he could help someone find them?
God impregnated a virgin, Mary, so that a son could be born. Why didn’t God simply bring Jesus into the world the same way he did Adam? Make a man out of a pile of dust.
Why did God give Joseph Smith golf tablets to translate into the Book of Mormon? Why not just give Smith the tablets in English and let him keep them? Why take them back and create all sorts of uncertainty?
Edward says
Richard wrote:
“What we also know is that truth, freedom and justice are the products of science and reason.”
I agree with your thoughts, these two important endeavors establish reasonable benchmarks in the material sense.
In the spiritual realm, in the immaterial sense LOGOS has been the transcendental (unseen) source that gave us these benchmarks that we should use for in our (seen) material realm…..humanity!
LOGOS definition: The Word of God or principle of divine reason and creative order, identified in the Gospel of John with the second person of the Trinity incarnate in Jesus Christ.
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Rich ponders upon these questions:
“As I understand it, the Qur’an was dictated by the angel Gabriel, to the illiterate Arab nomad, Muhammad, over a 24-year period and then Muhammad, from memory, dictated what he was told by Gabriel to scriveners.”
Yes, Muhammad read the Holy Scriptures for nearly a ¼ century before he wrote his personal supposedly tenets in the quran. He and some other wannabe founders of new religions read and of course plagiarized some passages and players named in the Holy Bible….this has been always done to fit their personal agendas!
“God gave Moses two tablets containing the Ten Commandments. The tablets have since been lost. Doesn’t God know where they are so that he could help someone find them?”
Interestingly you should ask that…..they say the Ark of Covenant is located in Ethiopia! More should be done to confirm this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Our_Lady_Mary_of_Zion
“God impregnated a virgin, Mary, so that a son could be born. Why didn’t God simply bring Jesus into the world the same way he did Adam? Make a man out of a pile of dust.”
The ”Word of God” achieved the conception….God chose Mary….His Son had to be born from a LOVING mother.
Btw, An Islam apologist, well known here at JW, has a stupid concept of Mary’s conception; that “she had sex with a gray haired god”. This guy’s account should anger many Christian’s, but considering the source from which it came from it is not important….avenge is not ours, but it’s God’s! It’s God decision to repair an error like the antagonists we hear from!
Richard S. says
Spiritual doesn’t exist. There is zero credible proof for it. This is why those who believe in it are defensive. It is an article of faith, which is simply the firm belief in something based on hope and conjecture, evidence of a gullible and untrained mind.
gravenimage says
More witless moral equivalence. You may believe all faiths are equally absurd, but only Islam is out to kill you.
Richard S. says
I agree about Islam. It is Naziissm dressed up in religious garb. The world, including Muslims, need to come to grip with what it actually is. Most of the other religions are harmless, though some of their zealots find justification for killing others. Fundamentalism is the chief culprit, the refuge for weak minds.
Jeremiah says
Eliminating the Shiite threat will all cost us a lot once we become realistic and admit that we are in trouble. The longer we wait the more it will cost.
Angemon says