In “Charlie Hebdo’s PTSD” at Breitbart today, Pamela Geller discusses what went wrong with a magazine that was once a foremost defender of the freedom of speech:
In the wake of the jihad slaughter of cartoonists at the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo last January, the remaining employees of the magazine have said a number of outrageous, grotesque, and weak-willed statements. This is, of course, forgivable in light of the horrible jihad slaughter of their editorial staff because of a couple of sophomoric and inane cartoons of the humorless Muhammad.
But in the ensuing months, their spineless posturing and not-so-subtle attacks on those of us who still wouldn’t submit were unforgivable. After jihadists opened fire on our free speech event in Garland, Texas last May, Charlie Hebdo staffers pointed their poison little arrows at us. When asked about our cartoon and art event, Charlie Hebdo editor-in-chief Gérard Biard rejected any comparison with his magazine’s work: “The difference between us and these people is that these people are organizing contests, anti-Islamist contests. It’s an obsession … We are not obsessed. We are just obsessed by the news, and by how the world is going on. The difference with Pamela Geller, she is obsessed by Islam. She waits [sic] every morning and thinks, What can I do today to defy these people?”
Not so. I am obsessed with freedom. I wake up every morning and think, “What can I do today to save the Republic?” And the biggest threat to our freedom today is jihad and sharia. The Charlie Hebdo cartoonists and writers were obsessed with insulting people and religion. But I don’t put them down for that. I am in favor of freedom of speech for all. Ironically, our event was in defense of the Charlie Hebdo editorial policies after their staffers were massacred; by contrast, when the anti-censorship group PEN honored Charlie Hebdo, many prominent writers boycotted and denounced the ceremonies, so anxious were they to appease the jihad killers.
Our response was different. Just days after the Charlie Hebdo slayings, American Muslim leaders gathered in Garland, Texas to stand in support of Muhammad and the ideology behind the Charlie Hebdo attacks. That was why we responded with an event in defense of the freedom of speech in the same venue, the same city, the same town – indeed, the same room — where the Muslims who wished to dismantle our First Amendment had gathered.
The post-Garland attacks on us from Charlie Hebdo staffers were pathetic and sad. Charlie Hebdo’s film critic Jean-Baptiste Thoret said: “Comparing this Pamela Geller thing and Charlie Hebdo is nonsense. It’s an anti-Islamic movement, and she said it’s an anti-Islamic movement, fighting against what she called the Islamization of the U.S. Maybe there is just one thing in common: You can’t mess with Texas, you can’t mess with Charlie Hebdo.”
He was wrong. You can mess with Charlie Hebdo. They submitted. They promised the world, the Muslim world, they would never draw Muhammad again. It was all so ghastly. And then after we were shot at, they insulted us — were they sorry we survived?
And now, as we approach the one-year anniversary of the Charlie Hebdo jihad slaughter, the editor of the now-subjugated magazine has made an extraordinarily vicious and ugly statement. “No one questions when Jews are killed,” said Biard. “We are so used to Jews being killed because they are Jewish. This is an error, and not just on a human level. Because it’s the executioner who decides who is Jewish. Nov. 13 was the proof of that. On that day, the executioner showed us that he had decided we were all Jewish.”
I find that deeply offensive and grotesque. He implies some wink-wink systemic and unspoken but understood anti-Semitism, and now he is suddenly calling everyone out on it, as if to say, “Hey, everyone, it’s not OK to kill Jews now that I see what it feels like.”
Why doesn’t Biard point out the glaring disparity in the international media coverage of the Charlie Hebdo slaughter and the Hyper Cacher kosher market slaughter? Same jihadis, same cold-blooded slaughter. The Jews at the Hyper Cacher market didn’t draw cartoons. They died merely because they were Jews, but that attack gets little mention. Does Biard not speak about Hyper Cacher because he is “so used to Jews being killed because they are Jewish”? Did he only wake up to the horror of Jews being killed when non-Jews were also killed?
Charlie Hebdo was once one of the foremost champions of freedom in the entire world. But now its surrender is complete. Biard should shut it down, before he does more offense to the memory of his colleagues who died for principles he does not have the courage to defend.

Vae Victis says
Poor Charlie, How the mighty have fallen.
The torch of freedom slips from their hand, who will take it up?
john spielman says
JIHAD WATCH has taken up the torch of FREEDOM
Jay Boo says
One week after the attack Pope Francis dropped the torch.
“One cannot provoke, one cannot insult other people’s faith, one cannot make fun of faith,” he said. “There is a limit. Every religion has its dignity … in freedom of expression, there are limits.”
linnte says
Dear Dr.Divinity, calling Islam a cult is ridiculous. Here we differ again! A cult is a perverted “break off” of a Standard & recognised religion. Muhammad at the least, had a poor knowledge of the Torah. So which religion is Islam a break off of? Islam is a full blown doctrine of its own, not a cult. And to call Islam a cult weakens the arguement and truth that it must be STOPPED. Cults dissipate and go away. Islam has 1.6 Billion followers and it certainly is not going away. Without recognizing that Islam is a religion (and political ideology) we give less credence to our own cause. Peace brother.
Atheist7 says
Of course Islam is a religion. But it is more than just a religion. It is also a political system that has essentially no separation between Church and State. A system that imbeds itself into your soul and does not allow for divergent or creative thinking. It is a system that essentially divides people into four main classes: Men, Women, Believers and Non-believers. If you are a male believer – you have some rights. If not, you are essentially a slave. When Islam invades a country, it eventually destroys the culture of that country and replaces the original culture with the culture of Islam. Yes, Islam does have many characteristics of Cults – such as blind obedience to a charismatic leader – but to call Islam a Cult suggests that it is minor, short term annoyance. Since Islam is extremely dangerous, it should be given the respect of a worthy adversary.
11B40 says
Greetings:
I get a bit of my TV news from the France24 English language programming. This morning, it broadcast a segment about the first anniversary issue of what’s left of “Charlie Hebdo”. The magazine’s staff expressed its distress at being criticized by the Vatican for its cover illustration, which predictably showed God as a terrorist but not that Allah guy.
“Je suis Charlie” needs to find its inner “Je suis Charles Martel”.
Angemon says
Or, according to Obama, because of random attacks randomly committed against random people.
Rob says
Ditto the collateral damage at the Shabat House in Mumbai.
PrayerWarrior says
This is why Islam uses terror more than any other method. Because it works. The spine in Charlie Hebdo must have been in the staffers who got murdered.
Allan Mandrowski says
Of course that’s why it works. We can probably not really comprehend the devastation that these attacks have caused amongst the surviving staffers.
It’s a shame really, because Charlie Hebdo was relentless in its mockery and satire and one of the only ones doing it to Islam – repeatedly – too.
linnte says
Yes, terrorism works, but the BIGGEST tactic that works the BEST for Islam is not terrorism! It is the claim of “Islam is a peaceful religion” and pulling the wool over non-Muslim eyes, sucking them into believing that statement. Ned, in his above comment said it correctly-Westerners will defend to the death, the Underdog. We have COMPASSION AND TOLERANCE. ALL of my friends believe Islam is being “wronged” by me! They are Leftist Liberals (mostly) and they think I have lost my mind with my recent change in non Liberal attitudes! My best friend called me a Redneck Hippie! Educating them and getting them to see the threat Islam brings to Western culture is nearly impossible, because they refuse to make inquiries into the doctrine of Islam. They are too busy with daily life to even CARE to educate themselves and they feel perfectly content to support Muslims who they feel are being “picked on” by racist, bigoted people. THIS is the greatest threat to America!
cs says
Yes Pam, you got it right, they did not get to start with, not all religions are equal.
Dan Jones says
Butcher Jesus’ Name and all is good… talk about the pedophile mo-ham-(is)-mad and they want to kill
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Wellington says
Proving once again that when the going gets tough the tough get going. Pamela Geller clearly demonstrates that she is still “going” while those at Charlie Hebdo clearly prove that they no longer are “going” at all (rather like South Park).
Well, the very least an entity like Charlie Hebdo should engage in is to announce that until they can criticize ALL religions without fear of lethal reprisal they will criticize no religion, thus implicitly pointing a dagger at the heart of the spiritual totalitarianism which is Islam, a mortal enemy of liberty, ranking right up there with such other mortal enemies of freedom as Nazism and Marxism. The writers at South Park should have done this too once threatened by Islamic Nazis. Neither has and this is why I NEVER watch South Park anymore and why my respect for Charlie Hebdo is also gone.
Meanwhile, the truth tellers, the truly courageous, like Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, are marginalized, criticized, threatened and defamed with regularity. A sin upon the heads of all who participate in this calumny of the standard bearers of freedom, as Geller and Spencer surely are. The sin here extends to very powerful people, some of whom that come to mind go by names like Obama, Cameron, May, Kerry, Francis, Merkel and Hollande.
Islam cannot succeed with its freedom-crushing, equality under-the-law denying, goals without help from dhimmis aplenty. Right now Islam has such allies in full measure. Doubt this? Well then, just imagine if the West was now led by a host of Winston Churchills. If so, Islam would be on the defensive everywhere in the West, where it most surely deserves to be. Alas, the reality of our times says, actually shouts, quite otherwise. Churchills are almost nowhere to be found, someone like Geert Wilders in The Netherlands being a rare exception here. All the West suffers for this. Guaranteed the West will continue to suffer.
Meanwhile, Muslim fascists aplenty are enthusiastic. It’s understandable they would be.
Ima Freeman says
One of my favourite commentaries from Robert, and another excellent synopsis from Wellington. Haven’t seen a long comment like that from you in a while. Always welcome. Happy New Year to all!
Westman says
Well said, Wellington.
gravenimage says
Excellent post.
Madge Hirsch says
Why don’t you actually try reading the anniversary issue of Charlie Hebdo before spouting off this crap. It is choc full of criticism of Islam. Or maybe you can’t read French? That is certainly the impression that Ms Geller gives. As another commentator points out all she has done is quote the sentence in The Times of Israel rather than look at Biard’s editorial in full. If she had bothered to read it in full she would not have thrown out her unwarranted antisemitism accusations. Charlie were wrong in what they said about the Garland jihadi attack but she is equally wrong in what she has written and most of the comments on this thread show a complete ignorance of what is actually happening in my country.
TheBuffster says
Two thumbs up on your comment, Wellington, and I wish I had more thumbs.
Linde Barrera says
For those JihadWatch.org readers and commenters who do not get emails from WND, I am very happy and proud to state that Ms. Pamela Geller received the Woman of the Year Award from that organization. Congratulations! Brava!
Mo says
@ Linde Barrera
“For those JihadWatch.org readers and commenters who do not get emails from WND, I am very happy and proud to state that Ms. Pamela Geller received the Woman of the Year Award from that organization. Congratulations! Brava!”
Well deserved!
Linde Barrera says
Hi Mo- Thanks for acknowledging my comment rgearing Pamelia Geller. I love your moniker. Is it short for “Missouri”, “Modell’s” or “Mangoes and Okra”? ?
gravenimage says
I had not heard that, Linde–thanks so much for passing on the information!
Well deserved indeed!
Linde Barrera says
To gravenimage- Hope you and your family are doing very well. I am continuing to pray for your mother-in-law and all my JW commenters, even Rezali Mehil. I read what Rezali posted about you and your husband “Dennis” several days ago on another article. It was ridiculous. I still think Rezali Mehil is actually a male but comports as a female to get sympathy. Best regards, graven.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Linde–much appreciated. And Happy New Year to you and yours!
WhatsUpDoc says
Problem is not with the IS its the French people. They are a confused bunch. People were running out of buildings because they were scared. Next day they lit candles at the site of shooting and a stampede started because people were scared. Its ok and normal to be scared but the next they showed up under police protection in a photo opt showing banners ” we are not afraid “. They proved to the world that they are coward.
Islam_Macht_Frei says
Wearing a “Je Suis Charlie” button or shirt would be embarrassing at this point. If you want to display the spirit of the dead journalists and the murdered magazine, a more fitting etiquette would be:
“Islam, Muhammad, Allah – va niquer ta mere.”
Matthieu Baudin says
Yes, it would have been more dignified and honest if they had just packed up shop permanently rather than participate in a drawn out dance with the devil. The plaque should have read: ‘This is where Charlie died – January 2015’.
Mo says
Oh, wow. That is disgraceful and embarrassing! I did not realize they had caved to this extent. I could understand those who witnessed the attack wanting to lay low for a little while, just to have time to heal from such a trauma. But to then go on the offensive and actually attack those who are on their side?! What disgusting, craven cowardice!
Tom Paine says
I guess Ms. Geller didn’t read the article she cites when she criticizes Biard’s comments on Jews. In fact, Baird does bemoan the lack of media attention that the slaughter at the kosher butcher received.
“The editor of Charlie Hebdo said in an article set to come out Wednesday on the anniversary of the deadly terror attack on the French satirical magazine that while the killings launched a global debate on the role of religion and free speech, no one bothered to explain to the world why Islamist attackers also went after a kosher supermarket.”
That puts his comments about Jews getting killed in context. Baird seems to exhibit a typical French snobbery in not supporting Ms. Geller’s activities but, judging from the latest issue of CH, the Hebdo staff hardly seems to be backing off its anti-clerical position, especially with an image of God (Allah) on the cover bloodstained and carrying a AK47 with the caption “One Year Later: The Assassin is Still on the Run.”
ECAW says
God is not an assassin, only Allah. It is deceptive of CH and of you to conflate the two.
linnte says
Whoa, ECAW! Have you read the Old Testament? God is even worse than an assassin, he indeed encouraged his people to slaughter other people. The Old Testament and the Qur’an have a lot in common when it comes to non-believers. You may not LIKE hearing this sad truth, but it is true never the less! I am thankful God repented and brought about the Son of Man, yes?
Atheist7 says
Both the Koran and the Bible have a lot of really bad stuff. The difference is that many Jews and Christians don’t read their own holy texts and if they do read it, they don’t take it seriously. But those that do take the Bible seriously can give Panned Parenthood nightmares and try to get Creationism taught in school – but in general, they don’t kill anyone – except perhaps for a few abortion doctors. I suspect that most Muslims also do not read their own holy books – but those that do – also read the bad stuff and then they implement it. If you insult Jesus to a Christian, then you are a rude, bad person. If you insult Muhammad to a devout Muslim, you are a rude, bad, dead person.
linnte says
True. Except, Western Muslims ARE reading their books, but their Qur’an has been Westernised and softened (which is a punishment of death according to Muhammad), so they really have no clue what the Arabic says. If I was a millionaire, I would have coppies of the Qur’an I am reading-printed in 1920- printed up and I would distribute them to American Muslims(especially the ones who have converted from Christianity). They’d do one of two things- leave Islam or become Jihadists.
ECAW says
Berk! I can’t be bothered.
linnte says
Silly you! Hahahahahaha! But I understand! The Qur’an is the MOST boreing “holy book” I have ever read. Muhammad just keeps reiterating the same old stories over and over again with the occasional nasty tidbit of stuff to be gleaned and remembered. It is really a book of perhaps 20 pages without the same old shit reiterated. Even the Sunnah/Hadith is boreing. If you want a plot to follow, the Torah is the book to read hahahahahahah!
Atheist7 says
Check out Bill Warner. I am going through some of his stuff now, and he claims to have books on Islam and Mohammad that he has rearranged into a chronological order so that the “life” of Mohammad makes more sense. https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_11?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=bill+warner&sprefix=bill+warner%2Cdigital-text%2C138
He is very much to the point and is easy to follow.
linnte says
Thank you!
Champ ✞ says
Question: “Why did God condone such terrible violence in the Old Testament?”
Answer: The fact that God commanded the killing of entire nations in the Old Testament has been the subject of harsh criticism from opponents of Christianity for some time. That there was violence in the Old Testament is indisputable. The question is whether Old Testament violence is justifiable and condoned by God. In his bestselling book The God Delusion, atheist Richard Dawkins refers to the God of the Old Testament as “a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser.” Journalist Christopher Hitchens complains that the Old Testament contains a warrant for “indiscriminate massacre.” Other critics of Christianity have leveled similar charges, accusing Yahweh of “crimes against humanity.”
But are these criticisms valid? Is the God of the Old Testament a “moral monster” who arbitrarily commands genocide against innocent men, women, and children? Was His reaction to the sins of the Canaanites and the Amalekites a vicious form of “ethnic cleansing” no different from atrocities committed by the Nazis? Or is it possible that God could have had morally sufficient reasons for ordering the destruction of these nations?
More here: http://www.gotquestions.org/Old-Testament-violence.html
Atheist7 says
Champ, Taken from your own reference we have:
“Second, God is sovereign over all of life and can take it whenever He sees fit. God and God alone can give life, and God alone has the right to take it whenever He so chooses. In fact, He ultimately takes every person’s life at death. It is not our life to begin with but God’s. While it is wrong for us to take a life, except in instances of capital punishment, war, and self-defense, this does not mean that it is wrong for God to do so. We intuitively recognize this when we accuse some person or authority who takes human life as “playing God.” God is under no obligation to extend anyone’s life for even another day. How and when we die is completely up to Him.”
The reasoning here is very telling: God can do no wrong. God can engage in infanticide and genocide as he sees fit. God can kill animals, children, and whatever he wants. (almost sounds like Mohammad)God has no respect for human life or for life of any form for that matter. And I do not have respect an entity that does not have respect for life.
linnte says
This is, to me, the same exact excuse Islam uses to defend the past. An all powerful, omnipotent and omnipresent being has no need to cause suffering.
Champ ✞ says
Atheist7, likewise, your answers are very telling as to why you’ve chosen to be an atheist.
Are you also a pessimist? …who sees the glass half emply? I ask because you’re choosing to overlook the enormous love, *goodness* and mercy of God. But of course this is your choice.
I, on the other hand, have chosen to see God this way …
Question: “Who is God?”
Answer: Who is God? What is God? How can we know God?
Who is God? – The Fact
The fact of God’s existence is so conspicuous, both through creation and through man’s conscience, that the Bible calls the atheist a “fool” (Psalm 14:1). Accordingly, the Bible never attempts to prove the existence of God; rather, it assumes His existence from the very beginning (Genesis 1:1). What the Bible does is reveal the nature, character, and work of God.
Who is God? – The Definition
Thinking correctly about God is of utmost importance because a false idea about God is idolatry. In Psalm 50:21, God reproves the wicked man with this accusation: “You thought I was altogether like you.” To start with, a good summary definition of God is “the Supreme Being; the Creator and Ruler of all that is; the Self-existent One who is perfect in power, goodness, and wisdom.”
Who is God? – His Nature
We know certain things to be true of God for one reason: in His mercy He has condescended to reveal some of His qualities to us. God is spirit, by nature intangible (John 4:24). God is One, but He exists as three Persons—God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (Matthew 3:16-17). God is infinite (1 Timothy 1:17), incomparable (2 Samuel 7:22), and unchanging (Malachi 3:6). God exists everywhere (Psalm 139:7-12), knows everything (Psalm 147:5; Isaiah 40:28), and has all power and authority (Ephesians 1; Revelation 19:6).
Who is God? – His Character
Here are some of God’s characteristics as revealed in the Bible: God is just (Acts 17:31), loving (Ephesians 2:4-5), truthful (John 14:6), and holy (1 John 1:5). God shows compassion (2 Corinthians 1:3), mercy (Romans 9:15), and grace (Romans 5:17). God judges sin (Psalm 5:5) but also offers forgiveness (Psalm 130:4).
Who is God? – His Work
We cannot understand God apart from His works, because what God does flows from who He is. Here is an abbreviated list of God’s works, past, present, and future: God created the world (Genesis 1:1; Isaiah 42:5); He actively sustains the world (Colossians 1:17); He is executing His eternal plan (Ephesians 1:11) which involves the redemption of man from the curse of sin and death (Galatians 3:13-14); He draws people to Christ (John 6:44); He disciplines His children (Hebrews 12:6); and He will judge the world (Revelation 20:11-15).
Who is God? – A Relationship with Him
In the Person of the Son, God became incarnate (John 1:14). The Son of God became the Son of Man and is therefore the “bridge” between God and man (John 14:6; 1 Timothy 2:5). It is only through the Son that we can have forgiveness of sins (Ephesians 1:7), reconciliation with God (John 15:15; Romans 5:10), and eternal salvation (2 Timothy 2:10). In Jesus Christ “all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9). So, to really know who God is, all we have to do is look at Jesus.
http://www.gotquestions.org/who-is-God.html
It’s important to have the whole picture of God when making a decision to believe in Him, or not. Not an incomplete picture of who God’s true character — as you appear to have.
linnte says
Champ t , I believe in one Spirit who is neither male nor female but has all those qualities. I believe that God inhabits all things. I believe that the life force that causes things to be alive, is God. This God of mine has no name and needs no name. Naming God is only necessary for people who need to differentiate between their God and others. I believe God inhabits the whole Universe and causes the movement of the energy which is the Universe. I continually rejoice in the presence of God and am grateful for all I have, because of God. The word God is not a name, but a title. I do believe Jesus was a body of a man who had for his short 33years, God inside him. I think the goal of humanity is to become perfected and eventually, we will not need our flesh to be alive-we will be Spirit, like God and Jesus is the goal to work toward. 🙂
Atheist7 says
Champ, there is no point in us wasting time sparing back and forth on the God issue. As I see it, you believe in God or you do not. Many brilliant people are believers – such as Francis Collins. With the Christian God, you can turn it off most of the time, do creative work, and then go back to it for a while for the benefit of meditation. This gives you strength. With Islam, religion takes over your soul as you pray 5 times a day and seriously inhibits creative thought. Did you ever wonder how many Nobel Prizes were won by Jews and how many were won by Muslim Scholars. And then consider the number of Jews and the number of Muslims in the world.
Our primary mission here should be to stop the spread of Islam. Unfortunately, to do that it may be necessary to explore why people believe what they believe. Why a persons religion is usually determined by the religion of their parents, and how it is possible for a person to lose their humanity under the influence of an evil religion.
Champ ✞ says
Hi, Linnte,
Thank you for writing and sharing your thoughts and perspective …
But Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” — John 14:6
And “Got Questions” offers a succinct yet thorough teaching regarding Christ’s claim:
Question: “Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?”
Answer: The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).
John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!
Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.
In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.
The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.
http://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html
Be blessed, my friend! 🙂
linnte says
Thank you Champ. I know all these scriptures. And I know the “consequences” of being a non-believer. Let me work out my own salvation with fear and trembling, as I am actually on the “fence” right now.
Blessings!
Western Canadian says
“Atheist7 says
January 7, 2016 at 1:16 pm
Both the Koran and the Bible have a lot of really bad stuff. The difference is that many Jews and Christians don’t read their own holy texts and if they do read it, they don’t take it seriously. But those that do take the Bible seriously can give Panned Parenthood nightmares and try to get Creationism taught in school – but in general, they don’t kill anyone – except perhaps for a few abortion doctors. I suspect that most Muslims also do not read their own holy books – but those that do – also read the bad stuff and then they implement it. If you insult Jesus to a Christian, then you are a rude, bad person. If you insult Muhammad to a devout Muslim, you are a rude, bad, dead person.”
You are not qualified to comment on the Bible, and your smearing Christians for killing abortion racketeers is not appreciated, either. Those who take the Bible seriously support women who are trying to avoid killing their children, and frankly, you are disgustingly ill informed.
linnte says
It’s all about freedom of speech in America, Western Canadian. Dont assume that because someone is a Pagan or Atheist they don’t know the Bible. There is no secret meaning that only Christians can know- if that were the case there would never be any converts! As for abortion? It has happend in every country since the beginning of time when women first began to conceive. I suspect even Muslim women have abortions too, simply because they are women. It is not for me to tell my neighbor what to do with her body. I am just supposed to LOVE her, peroid.
Atheist7 says
Western Canadian. Why do you totally miss the point of my post and instead attack me because of my religion? You are an intelligent person and should be better than that. I suspect that you are the type of person who will be completely devoted to the religion of your parents and then defend that religion against all other with all the power of your mind. You play the “my God is better than your God” game and – in this case – you are correct. Christianity is superior to Islam for the simple reason that Islam destroys your Soul! I suggest that we join forces to defeat the common enemy, and then, if we win that battle, we can spar later.
Atheist7 says
High Western Canadian, I saw your post on Planned Parenthood and I see that you are really upset with that organization. Could you send me any references as to why Planned Parenthood is so bad?
Western Canadian says
Oh, and by the way, the founder of what was later renamed ‘planned parenthood’, was an advocate of racial eugenics, and regarded hitler as very forward looking. You ignorant ass.
Jay Boo says
Meanwhile
Muhammad, his companions, his followers over the past 1400 years, his example that guides 1.5 billion Muslims today is HIJACKING Islam.
Robeaver says
NO, it is normal Islamic function. This site new to you??
gravenimage says
Jay Boo is a long time commenter here. He is being sarcastic.
Aussie Infidel says
Jay Boo, Islam has NOT been highjacked! Islam is what is written in the Quran (and the Sunnah), which has remained virtually the same since its beginning. Islam became a problem when its psychopath prophet Muhammad, turned from being a simple proselytiser to a bloodthirsty, fanatical warlord. While there are ‘moderate Muslims’, who for one reason or another, don’t follow the Quran and the example of its prophet as rigidly as their more militant ‘brothers’, there is no such thing as ‘moderate Islam’. That is simply Muslim propaganda designed to fool gullible Westerners – and from the number of people who regurgitate this erroneous nonsense, the mullahs have largely succeeded. Read the Islamic scriptures for yourself, particularly some of the Quranic references often quoted on this site. If you don’t have a Quran, you can acces a number of different translations on websites such as – http://www.quran.com.
Check out the following for a start:
On freedom of speech
“It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error.” (Q33:36).
On freedom of religion
“There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut (idolatry or rebellion against God) and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.” (Q2:256). This verse is often quoted by dawah proselytizers, but it is abrogated by the following verse and many others.
“And whoever desires other than Islam as religion – never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.” (Q3:85).
On freewill
“Then is one to whom the evil of his deed has been made attractive so he considers it good [like one rightly guided]? For indeed, Allah sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. So do not let yourself perish over them in regret. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of what they do.” (Q35:8).
On following Muhammad
“Say, [O Muhammad], “O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death.” So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided.” (Q7:158).
“There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.” (Q33:21).
On infidels
“Those who have disbelieved our signs, we shall roast them in fire, wherever their skins are cooked to a turn, we shall substitute new skins for them, that they may feel the punishment: verily Allah is sublime and wise.” (Q4:56).
“And when the inviolable months have passed, then kill the polytheists (Christians) wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” (Q9:5). One of the verses in the so-called ‘sura of the sword’.
“O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.” (Q9:73).
Those verses are just a very small sample of the tenets of this violent, supremacist ideology, which will not tolerate any criticism – and hence the attack on Charlie Hebdo.
gravenimage says
See my comment above. Jay Boo is being sarcastic here.
linnte says
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Everyone Else says
True
mortimer says
Charlie Hebdo have become irrelevant to the defense of freedom, because when the going got tough, they criticized freedom of speech…it was after all THEIR OWN freedom of speech they cared about and now…not so much.
They have walked away from the fight for freedom of speech. Geller has not.
Charlie Hebdo is a bunch of cowards who turned and ran at the whiff of gunpowder. After their grandiose words, its disappointing. They all have let down their martyr ‘Charb’ and they let down the Westerners who counted on them.
Who in France will join Geller and Spencer in the fight for freedom?
ICH says
awesome Mortimer !
gravenimage says
Pamela Geller: Charlie Hebdo’s PTSD
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I do understand Charlie Hebdo staff’s fear–but *not* their throwing those who continue to stand for freedom under the bus.
Meanwhile, here’s a Vatican spokesman throwing Charlie Hebdo under the bus while whitewashing the savagery of Islam:
“Vatican spokesman: Islam teaches ‘non-violence in the name of God’”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/vatican-spokesman-islam-teaches-non-violence-in-the-name-of-god
Lots of dhimmitude and moral cowardice to go around, I’m afraid.
Here’s the pointless new Charlie Hebdo cover, showing “god” as a violent assassin, while giving the Muslims who actually committed the atrocity a pass:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jan/06/charlie-hebdo-anniversary-cover-disrespects-all-faiths-vatican-newspaper-says#img-1
ich says
good post graven
the cowering god pic is pathetic
gravenimage says
Thanks, Ich. I concur.
JIMJFOX says
RESPECT…. for superstitious, unproven, farcical beliefs. ALL religion, all lying-in-their-teeth politicians, all conspiracy theorists, all Creationists, all anti-vaccers, anti-science and all other loonbags.
The most abused word in ANY language…. RESPECT.
Western Canadian says
An excellent example of ignorance, hatred and bigotry on your part, jimjfox. We all really must RESPECT you for your input.
Creole Gumbo says
This is confusing!
Just 5 minutes ago on the AM news a story cam out stating that CH just released a cover with a drawing of Mohammed and a statement that they will not be suppressed.
Can anyone shed any light on this gross discrepancy in reporting?
ICH says
from graven image
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jan/06/charlie-hebdo-anniversary-cover-disrespects-all-faiths-vatican-newspaper-says#img-1
as long as we remain vigilant we should be ok
Im moving to the boonies !!!
Kathy Shaidle says
Yeah, I actually echoed Pamela’s last paragraph here, in “Do the Rest of Charlie Hebdo Need To Die?”
http://takimag.com/article/do_the_rest_of_charlie_hebdo_need_to_die_kathy_shaidle/print
steve says
What would be a great story was if the Charlie Hebdo office crew all got AK 47s and went out and shot up a few mosques in retaliation. Now that would be some news and maybe worth a few cartoons!
ECAW says
Excellent idea!
(I didn’t say that)
ICH says
I am betting prior to the Moe cartoon they thought they were so cutting edge.
Then the crap hit the fan and the bottom of their shoes !
I am sure they did not expect to be killed over it.
So now they have to be brave for real and 5 likes on Instagram does not help them.
As a Canadian we do not have access to guns but I sure see why we need them.
Its not just paranoia. Islam is eroding the world bit by bit.
Probably why most people would rather not hear about it.
steve says
Learn to make guns and bows and arrows for that matter.
nacazo says
In the anniversary issue of Charlie Hebdo, I interpret the guy running with the kalashnikov to be Mohammed.
ECAW says
No, Charlie Hebdo’s Mohammed always looked like this:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/charlie-hebdo-surrenders-will-no-longer-draw-muhammad
steve says
The living in submission and shame is what will happen to those who give in to the evil called islamism that wishes to stamp out our western culture and our way of life not just our freedom of speech. It’s like that old neil young song said (although I know he’s a diehard liberal) “it’s better to burn out than to fade away” and I’ll take that as referring to living and dying for freedom by whatever it takes. I will put away my charlie hebdo buttons and magazines for when they are ready to be heroes again!
linnte says
I am so ENJOYING this Site! It is such a RELIEF to hear similar feelings, and only with the rare snarky remark. <3
ECAW says
OK, so you’re new. I take it back but I will say this only once…the genocidal violence in the Old Testament was time and place specific and it all ended thousands of years ago. On the other hand those in the Koran are open ended and aimed at anyone who simply doesn’t believe in Allah. That’s you and your kids, and more importantly me and mine. To equate the two is like equating an extinct volcano with a live one.
Welcome to JW.
linnte says
Excellent point! And it is ALWAYS good to set me straight on incorrect blah that I may type. Thanks! I knew that the Qur’an is open ended, meaning it is meant for today. That’s why it is so dangerous! Very glad you all are here though, so I can learn!
Western Canadian says
The old testament, at most 300,000 deaths commanded. For a limited time in the over 3,300 year history of the Jewish people. Islam, 270,000,000 butchered, plus those raped, made into slaves, and ground into dust, over 1400 years, being added to every single day. And you compare the two. Brilliant.
linnte says
One murder is not as horrific as 300000? The number of murders is a moot point. Especially if you are a christian who believes that killing is evil. It’s ALL evil. The difference between Islam and the Old testament is nil. God, back then was an angry nasty guy. Especially considering he is omnipotent and can do whatever he wants. HE WANTED to kill all those people. BLAH on him!
Kevin North says
We are all dead without Pam Geller. I don’t understand the hatred of Jewish people that I see world wide. It is caused by hate training from birth. I seriously doubt 35 million people are more threatening than 1600 million psychos bent on martyrdom for their cause. The peace loving people of the world just want to live in peace. Islam will not allow this. We are in for dark times ahead. Thank you Pam Geller for being a bright light in this nightmare. Also, you are so hot. I mean just wow.
linnte says
You are correct about people being conditioned from birth to resent and hate Jews. Many people still hold the dearh of Jesus as a good reason to hate them. Rediculous, because his death and sacrifice was the plan all along. I personally do not like Netanyahu (sp) because he has continued the opression of the Palestinian people. Yes they are Muslim, but they are people too. Also, the Federal Reserve Bank is owned and run by Jews who completely know and understand the condition of rhe world economy, but they just simply don’t give a damn about the common person. I resent and am angry at our countries inability to get RID of the Federal Reserve and create our own currency. It would bring real value to our money. Have you ever wondered why our country is involved in the Middle East in the first place? Each country that we have been fighting in has its own currency and does not belong to the World Federal bank! Libya included. The goal is a One World Government, exactly like Islams goal is. And that current heinous philosophy stems from the Jewish bank owners of our money. Odd isn’t it? That Hitler wanted world dominion and the Jews and Muslims do too? And America has its fingers in that One World Government idea too. These are facts you can look up, on the internet to see if they are true. Just look up the Fed Reserve bank. As for the Jewish people as a whole, I don’t know why others still hold a grudge against them. They are in the same boat as the rest of us. One of my best friends is Jewish. (I know that is an over used stand, but in my case it is true). Jews have been here in America and living the same lives as the rest of us, fighting for freedom and equality since the inception of this country. It’s time Americans let go of all racial enmity and started rejoicing in our differences. Except Muslims Hahaha! Their Doctrine is anti-freedom and not compatible with Western Culture. I for one an grateful for this melting pot of a country!!!
linnte says
I mean, the Jews who want a One World Government & Banking system are the Fed Bank owners, not inclusive of all Jewish people. Just to clarify that statement.
Bindon Blood says
The left is no more trustworthy or rational than Islam. I wouldn’t expect anything else from them. They are ,were, mainly concerned with tearing down organised and decent society. They got that in part. Now they don’t like it. They played their part in the rise of these monsters by constantly trying to bring down all that could and should have encouraged resistance to Islam. Funny old world.