It is inconceivable that any Western leader would favorably cite Hitler in any context, but in Turkey, citing Hitler doesn’t bring instant opprobrium. Mein Kampf became a bestseller when it was published there in 2005, and Hitler remains popular. Also, a former classmate says Erdogan used to carry a copy around when he was a young man. Hitler’s antisemitism resonates with Islamic Jew-hatred.
“Turkey’s Erdogan says Hitler’s Germany exemplifies effective presidential system,” Reuters, January 1, 2016:
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, who is pushing for executive powers, cites Hitler’s Germany as an example of an effective presidential system, in comments broadcast by Turkish media on Friday.
Erdogan wants to change the Turkish constitution to turn the ceremonial role of president into that of a chief executive, a Turkish version of the system in the United States, France or Russia.
Asked on his return from a visit to Saudi Arabia late on Thursday whether an executive presidential system was possible while maintaining the unitary structure of the state, he said: “There are already examples in the world. You can see it when you look at Hitler’s Germany.
“There are later examples in various other countries,” he told reporters, according to a recording broadcast by the Dogan news agency.
The ruling AK Party, founded by Erdogan, has put a new constitution at the heart of its agenda after winning back a majority in a November parliamentary election.
It agreed with the main opposition CHP on Wednesday to revive efforts to forge a new constitution….

Christianblood says
And yet America and Nato consider islamo-fascist Turkey as a valuable ally while showing deep hostility to christian Russia. What does that say about America and Nato?
Timothius says
Take a look around! This crap is going on everywhere. I believe the people of this planet should be very afraid. I know it’s scaring me.
Christianblood says
Henry Kissinger shares these legitimate fears and he thinks it may lead to a catastrophic nuclear war with Russia: Read his realistic assessment below:
https://www.rt.com/usa/319115-kissinger-isis-syria-iran/
Ernie says
Christianblood , you are right , of course , but….what about the hot love-affair between “Christian” Russia and Iran? Are the Mullahs suddenly no islamo-fascists any more ? You are quick in accusing the West . Maybe you have a good and honest look in the mirror , Christianblood . You and your comments are very anti- Western and very pro-Putin . Makes me think of a former commentator here on J.W. , who called himself “Justin” .
Ernie says
P.S. Christianblood , what does that say about Russia and Putin ( and YOU!) ?!
Christianblood says
Ernie
Russia is not a communist country anymore so why do you think America/Nato members are trying to encircle Russia? It is because Russia will not bow down to their corrupt Western “LGBT” atheistic secular agenda. On the other hand, Turkey who murdered close two million Armenian and other Christians some years ago is now allied with America and Nato and it goal is to murder more Christians and restore its “islamic empire” and America and the West are allied with them because of their hatred of Orthodox Russia and other Orthodox Christians of the East but I can assure you, they will not succeed in this.
Remember also, America and Nato bombed Christian Serbia and created two islamic states in the heart of Europe so Russia’s relations with Iran cannot be compared with the relations and the alliance that Jihadist-backing America/Nato has with the Turks and with the genocidal Saudi Arabia, Qatar, ISIS, MB, and many other jihadists
Ernie says
Dear Christianblood , what LBGT has to do with all this , I don’t see it . I think that religion and sexual preferences are PERSONAL things , and belong to the realm of privacy , and not to public life . I think that most Westerners don’t hate Orthodox Russia or the Christians of the East . There is rivalry between the big powers , and my opinion is that the United States and the European Union ( and NATO ) have no business in Russia’s back-garden . The propaganda aimed at alienating our populations from each other is not helpful . It creates fear , hate , animosity . The military adventurism of many Western administrations the last 2-3 decades has been criminal and insane . It has created a mess beyond belief and I don’t see an end to it in the near future . If you blame the administrations of many Western nations , I agree with you . But please don’t blame the Western populations for it . Freedom and democracy are dying in the West . Our “leaders” have become megalomaniacal selfserving criminal autocrats . They rule over us . Many people here in the West are unaware of this . If it was you who said many people in the West are living (in) an illusion of freedom , then you are right Christianblood . Have a nice day !
Ex-muslim says
Very well-said “Christianblood”.
I agree with your points. My understanding is that the majority of the peoples in the West and their governments have lost their sense of Christianity and they have deeper respect for islam and muslims
they also disrespect Russians and other Orthodox peoples of the East for their traditional conservatism and consider them as “uncivilized” etc.
Christianblood says
Ernie
LGBT is one of the secular postmodernist agenda being pushed by America and the West. Fortunately Russia and other Eastern Orthodox countries rejected this morally destructive agenda that the West is pushing in order to destroy Christian morality in Eastern countries like they did in the West. The West’s whole agenda is to destroy traditional Christian morality everywhere and replace with postmodernist moral relativist worldview.
Avenger says
Ernie, what about the US love affair with Muslim Pakistan, the Pakis can’t wait to use their nuclear Arsenal against the oldest democracy on earth- India.
It also looks like your wonderful USA is also whoring for the mullahs in Iran. How shocking is that? The USA’s idiotic foreign policy pushed the Soviets and then the Russians to make alliances with Iran.
It was Britain and the US who pushed for turkey becoming a NATO member. It’s the centuries old containment policy both countries have used against Russia which only empowers and spreads Islam throughout the world.
Christianblood is totally correct, the West does nothing when Erdogan murders his own Kurdish citizens but even a hint of Assad using chemical weapons (he didn’t) then we want to set up no fly zones in Syria along with arming and financing ISIS.
Ernie, who buys the oil ISIS exports? It’s our NATO butt buddy Turkey.
The USA needs to keep its nose out of the Middle East. Because of the stupidity of both the Democrat and Republican Administrations we now have millions of louse infested Muslims overwhelming Europe.
Ernie says
Well Avenger , I’m a Dutchman and living in the Netherlands , so your assumption of me being American is wrong . And I completely agree with your comment . I just wrote something back to Christianblood , just above your contribution here you’ll find it . I hope that you’ll read it . Have a nice day Avenger . Ernie
DFD says
Christianblood: “….What does that say about America and Nato?”
It says about the leaders of America & Nato everything that needs to be said
I say:
Delando Islam
EmHotep says
Christianblood you are wrong … You cannot fight against islam with another religion.. How do I know, I am writing from Turkey and your words means nothing but another version of islamic arguments.
Ernie says
Dear EmHotep , you are right ! Sunnah or shiah islam , islam is a fascist totalitarian system , always hungry for blood ! Both factions are equally brutal and cruel .
Christianblood says
EmHotep
You Can’t fight evil and barbaric Islamic fascism with spineless, atheistic
secular “humanism”.
Southeuropean says
Yes u can. Democracy and human rights is the modern achievement worth to die for. Those qualities are in direct opposition to the message of the Old Testament and The Quran and to some extent compattible with the New testament. In fact history teaches us that the most efficient remedy to one religious fascism is not another religion,but the progressive revolutionary ideas.
ECAW says
In that case perhaps you can explain to us why progressive revolutionaries are everywhere allied with the religious fascism of Islam.
Southeuropean says
ECAW I m not counting as revolutionist the corrupted liberal hypocricy or utopists spillover politicians who are just a rusted shadow of the old glory of progressive humanists.
ECAW says
Sorry, but I do not understand that..
Southeuropean says
I m saying that most of the nowadays leftists are made of “the piss” of their ancestors-the progressive revolutioneries. This,having in mind that they r corrupted and illiterate fantasers. So,do not make a paralel between these men and great humanist ideas.
ECAW says
Who are or were the original progressive revolutionaries you speak of and why would their ideas counter Islam?
Southeuropean says
Ok. Now we could debate for the whole day,but just to mention Washington or Voltaire, Cromwell or even Marx. Not any of them is perfect,just like not any man is perfect,but our values do come from the 5 centuries of struggle for the human rights and justice and our societes have been inspired by such ideas.
ECAW says
If you mean enlightenment type values I’m with you. I grieve for the way in which “liberal” has come to mean something like the opposite to what it meant even 30 years ago. But I don’t see it making a comeback any time soon – not soon enough to see off the menace from Medina anyway.
Good luck to you with it anyway.
Southeuropean says
Thank u. It will take different alies to fight islamofascism and primitivism.
Christianblood says
Southeuropean
A religious warrior sacrifices himself for his god and religion but a secular warrior has nothing to die for and that is why tens of thousands of American and Western soldiers who served in Iraq and Afghanistan are committing suicide as a result of “PTSDs”.
Renee says
He need not say more about himself. He is a dangerous man and Europe is now making deals with him because they do not want to send boats back with thousands of immigrants. Good luck Europe, in 2016.
Christianblood says
Renee
islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and many other islamik jihadist groups are very dangerous to the whole world and yet America is baking those same islamik jihadist groups to overthrow yet another secular Arab dictator and unleash
a huge religious genocide against religious minorities in Syria and elsewhere in the M.E.
Atheist kaffur says
I agree with you. Isis and others like it can’t be allowed to win. Erdogan is trying to change the constitution to allow for an executive president. Recipe for fascism in the Islamic and western world. In the Islam world the repression of the human spirt is almost complete and in the west only the illusion of freedom is delivered.
Ernie says
Atheist kaffur , now Russia is a shining example for FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY…( puke ! ) . Do you believe that , or : when did you fall on your head ?
Ernie says
Sure Christianblood , that danger to the world is coming from Putin pampered Iran aswell . But you deliberately turn a BLIND EYE to THAT . Hypocrisy !
Avenger says
Hey Ern, I bet Putin doesn’t take a dime from the Saudi’s or Qatar.
The Bushes and Clintons roll in their payola and bribe money.
Saudi’s help fund one of the nations largest conservative Super Pacs and have given money to the Jebster.
How hypocritical is that!
Open your mind Ernie, without Russia’s help, Damascus would be in ISIS control.
We all agree here on JW that Russia is not a bubbly progressive democracy, they are however, shouldering the burden of containing ISIS and supporting a close ally. I doubt that Obama would cover Israel’s back when in need.
Southeuropean says
We will be doomed if the old rivalry between the democratic powers prevails as a priority. The last time when the agressive islamofascism has made epohal victory was the time when the pope was in an argue with the protestants and the orthodox Christians. That was the time od the sultan Suleyman.
mortimer says
Anyone who admires Hitlerism is a mortal danger to surrounding countries and the people of the country.
Turks should take a crash course in the results of 15 years of Hitlerism!
There will be a repeat performance for Turkey, after which modern Turkey will be further dismantled and divided among various ethnic nations.
Yohanan says
Hitler admired Ataturk and Erdogan admires Hitler.
On Hitler’s admiration for Ataturk, Google brings up the work of the German historian Stefan Ihrig, who is currently a Polonsky Fellow, at Van Leer Jerusalem Institute http://www.stefanihrig.com/#!about/c66t
Ihrig’s most recent books are:
Atatürk in the Nazi Imagination (Nov 2014), and;
Justifying Genocide: Germany and the Armenians from Bismarck to Hitler (forthcoming 2016).
See his interview in the Armenian Weekly – Edward Kanterian. “Hitler, Ataturk, and German-Turkish relations: an interview with Stefan Ihrig”. Armenian Weekly. Oct 30, 2015. http://armenianweekly.com/2015/10/30/hitler-ataturk/
EmHotep says
WRONG…
Ernie says
Dear EmHotep , WHY do you think this is wrong ? Can you please explain ?
Pig Jizya says
And Mein Kampf has less Jew Hatred in it than the Q’urine.
mike ryan says
How’d that work out for Ol’ Shitler, huh, Erdogan?
Jay Boo says
Our Hitler loving NATO “ally” is flooding Germany with Jew hating Muslims.
IQ al Rassooli says
Jay Boo
There are only a few hundreds of thousands of Jews in Western Europe BUT MILLIONS of Muslims who hate Christians just as much because Christians believe Jesus is Son of Allah (Mushrikoon)
The Gladiatorial Games in Europe will begin this year of 2016 between Europeans & Muslim INVADERS!
It is not a matter of IF; it is a matter hopefully of WHEN
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
mortimer says
The Munich games have begun already! The 800,000 invaders are stirring things up in spite of winter and having nothing. The streets are filled with police and troops.
Merkel’s MADNESS!
Michael Copeland says
Total Confrontation 2016
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6648-total-confrontation-2016-al-qaeda
Joseph says
@ IQ al Rassooli
MILLIONS of Muslims who hate Christians just as much because Christians believe Jesus is Son of Allah (Mushrikoon)
Sorry but you are wrong, Christians do NOT believe Jesus is the son of Allah. Allah is Satan and Jesus is the Son of GOD the Father.
Using Allah this way is a covert Islamic trick to strike up similarities between two diametrically opposed ideas. Islam is a political ideology, not a religion.
I’m not knocking you I am just pointing out a fact.
Joseph, Christian and proud of it! ! ! !
IQ al Rassooli says
Joseph
Obviously you have NOT read Muhammad’s Quran which EQUATES their Allah with the God of the Bible hence it is irrelevant (as far as Muslims are concerned) what Christians believe but what 1.5 billion Muslims believe
Muslims are Equal Opportunity HATE mongers; all human beings (80% of current none Muslim humanity) almost equally~
All Christians Buddhists Hindus Jews Agnostics Atheists etc
I am rarely wrong for the simple reason i NEVER state anything I cannot back up to the hilt
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
Joseph says
However you stated that ” Muslims who hate Christians just as much because Christians believe Jesus is Son of Allah (Mushrikoon)”
The key words are “Christians believe”
This Christian does not believe Jesus Christ is the son of Allah, but the Son of God the Father.
Yes Muslims believe Jesus was only a prophet too, but then again my mind is clear and I know what he IS.
Joseph says
@ IQ al Rassooli
Sorry now I get the semantics. The Muslims think that Christians believe **their** Allah has a son.
Again sorry, boy do I hate written communication.
PrayerWarrior says
This is why Turkey hasn’t been kicked out of NATO.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20151231.aspx
[quote] Two decades of cuts in defense spending are causing Germany major problems that just keep getting worse. Normally the government keeps quiet about this sort of thing. But when the government is compelled (in this case by the November 13 terror attacks in Paris) to send troops abroad the extent of the decline in combat readiness becomes apparent. The most recent example was the German decision to send some of its 198 jet fighters to join the air campaign against ISIL (al Qaeda in Iraq and the Levant) in Syria. Even many Germans were surprised when it was announced that only six of the older Tornado fighters could be sent. Questions were asked and the government admitted that all those years of budget cuts had left it with few jet fighters in shape to go overseas and fight. [quote/]
NATO is a shell that has been depending on the US for too long. To quote Lyndon Johnson, they’d rather have Turkey inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. This was the same strategy the Roman Empire used with its barbarian problem, and it will end the same way.
خَليفة says
Erdogan would be a good place to start playing whack-a-mole, he pops his head up often.
I think Erdogan fancies himself to be the caliph ( خَليفة – successor – that’s my name too ) of the new caliphate, al-bhagdadi is just a technical complication. As much as erdogan would like to be the caliph, I doubt he will ever achieve his dream.
Dave J says
The mutual admiration between Nazi leaders and Islamic leaders is telling. Their strategies and ideologies are different but both share a Supremacist and Totalitarian view of the world. The Nazis threatened the world and were defeated, Islam threatens the world and is relatively unopposed, primarily because of their disguise as a “religion” and their tactics of infiltration and deceit.
Reading “Modern Day Trojan Horse” by Sam Solomon reveals that under Islam immigration is regarded as a sin unless it is to spread Muslimism, in which case it is a duty. Hijra has 3 parts, I’dad (preparation) and Tamkeen (consolidation, establishment), followed by Jihad (destruction of the host country). This is aided by Zakat (payments to Universities and Media to ease the introduction of Sharia).
So none of this is accidental, innocent or unplanned. I view this effort as more dangerous than Nazism and much more likely to succeed in the long term. Instead of teaching our children to write out Koranic verses or wear hajibs for a day we should be educating them on the long process of Islamic expansionism, starting with Thomas Jefferson’s translation of the Koran and his successful war against the (Islamic) Barbary pirates.
Edwin1683 says
Excellent post, Dave. I think you are right that Islam is more likely to succeed in the long term than Nazism was. When you factor in the demographic trend (higher Muslim than non-Muslim birthrate), it is very frightening indeed. The West will have to fight hard.
Dave J says
The West had to fight all-out against Nazism and Imperial Japan and it was a near thing. The current situation is worse – we had our Pearl Harbor and our reaction was muddled, wrongheaded and confused (did anyone call the Japanese a nation of peaceful intent or excuse the Nazis because “its their culture”?).
Demographics are working against us and the enemy has new tools like social media, the Internet and oil money. If the demographics were confined to their home countries that would be one thing, but we invite them in, subsidize their living expenses and suppress any criticisms by our citizens. They respond by pushing for their agenda, undermining our schools, building more Mosques and having multiple wives with multiple offspring. Its the “Master Race” theory replaced by the “Greatest God/Religion” and the “Best of People”.
History repeating – or just rhyming in a very familiar pattern?
Demsci says
Dave, you IMO correctly made the case of danger/ threat coming from an essentially totalitarian ideology. Whose followers are growing relatively hard and migrating into democratic countries. And yes, their expansionism and might are very real.
But…. a danger/ threat to what exactly? I mean, what IS OUR ideology? I think it is about our constitutions, laws, tenets, values. We too should cherish and know well our ideology, just like them.
We could even identify what our counterparts for Most Important Guiding Texts to the Quran are, to begin with; the constitution, universal human rights etc. But sometimes it looks like many of us are only ABI’s; Anything But Islam.
The most important question could be; should we be “downing” the ideology of the enemy or should we be “upping” our own? Maybe we fail in the latter. We take our ideology so for granted, we don’t cultivate it. shout it proudly from the rooftops any more.
This while IMO our ideology is so much better than theirs. With so many better results! And oh, Hitler didn’t do such a great job either, I read, not even in the years before the war! In comparison at least England and America, even in depression, performed better than Germany then.
ECAW says
This could embarrass those in the EU who want Turkey to be admitted, if they were embarrassable.
Our Dave’s one of them I believe.
Mind Slutter says
During WW2 were millions upon millions of true believer Nazis “immigrating” to join the other millions of settler gang-bangers in a truly messed up disarmed multi-cultied consumer market disgrace. It looks like we have been acting stupid for so long now that we have actually become stupid.
jura says
Kick Turkey out of NATO!
Matthieu Baudin says
The poor old NATO member states will just have to carry the Erdogan Albatross around their necks.
Dennis says
If Erdogan thinks Jews are going to stand for references to Hitler as a positive role model, he may just find himself blown up into smithereens. I would guess his personal guards are wetting themselves when he speaks.
PrayerWarrior says
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/02/world/europe/turkeys-erdogan-seeking-a-more-powerful-presidency-cites-hitlers-system.html
[quote] ISTANBUL — Turkey issued a statement on Friday saying that comments by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan — in which he cited Hitler in response to a question about whether a strong presidency was possible in Turkey — had been misinterpreted.[quote/]
Oops! That got out into the West. Time for some taqiyya.
Gea says
Many EX-Muslims, including a Turkish poet, had warned us that Islamic IDEOLOGY is worse than Nazism because it also condones pedophilia, polygamy, rape, misogyny, looting, slavery, mass murder because Mohamed did all those vile things.
Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al Husseini, spent WWII in Berlin, egging Hitler on to hurry up extermination of Jews in Europe and come to exterminate Jews living among Muslims. This monster also recruited Muslims in Bosnia for 2 SS divisions to fight in the Eastern front.
in 1946 Mufti of Jerusalem was the highest Nazi criminal whom the British and french let go free untried and unpunished. He went to Cairo and then to Iraq to rile up Muslims mobs to murder Jews. Erdogan is no different except that there are still 17,000 Jews reminded in Turkey as they are too old to leave.
Nazism and Islam are two supremacist totalitarian and imperialistic ideologies which do not belong to any good society.
PrayerWarrior says
According to “A Safe Haven: Harry S. Truman and the Founding of Israel,” the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Mohammad Haj Amin al-Husseini, was under house arrest in Paris and because of world pressure was expected to be extradited to the Britain for prosecution for war crimes. But he simply dyed his hair and shaved off his beard and had himself smuggled to Cairo where he received the protection of King – wait for it, here it comes – Farouk!
He hung around Cairo long enough to be the puppet master behind Jamal al-Husseini, a relative and the leader of the Arab Higher Committee that opposed the UN’s progress in recognizing the new state of Israel. The Arab Higher Committee had proposed that only a small number of Jew be allowed into Palestine with ‘minority’ (i.e. ‘dhimmi’) status, and that the Grand Mufti be the head of whatever Arab statement emerged from the UN negotiations. The UN representatives then asked about the Grand Mufti’s collaboration with the Nazis during the war and Jamal al-Husseini said that the Grand Mufti had only done that “to get something out of them in case they were victorious.” That is the kind of argument that is only acceptable to an Arab. Fortunately, the UN representatives – at that particular time and place – did not accept it.
PrayerWarrior says
“Arab statement” should be Arab state. Wish we had an edit function.
Arthur says
Erdogan is idolizing a man (Hitler) who destroyed his own country (Germany). This must be especially alarming to Turks who do not wish to see their country destroyed. Based on the last election June 5, 2015), 41% of Turks want to see their country destroyed. This must be especially alarming to NATO allies pledged to defend Turkey.
Benedict says
Turkey needs to answer for the one million Armenians killed by them. This is genocide.
Angemon says
Without giving another example – of course, the goal was to ride the coattails of the Holocaust, not a serious discussion about political systems, now that he has the caliphate at his doorstep.