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Independent: Quran doesn’t sanction sex slavery, slaves have to consent

Feb 16, 2016 10:43 am By Robert Spencer

This is a standard-issue Islamic apologetic piece from the Independent, replete with the usual ingredients: a great deal of whining about “Islamophobes,” vicious ad hominem attacks against them, and a slyly selective presentation of the facts at hand, designed to mislead. Note also Mariam Hakim’s repeated equation of “Islamophobic extremists” with “Islamist extremists,” and “ISIS” with “Islamophobes,” as if they were two sides of the same coin. This equation is not new with Hakim; it goes back years among Leftists and Islamic supremacists, and is designed to demonize all opposition to jihad terror. In case anyone hasn’t noticed, it is also ridiculous: there have been 27,000+ jihad terror attacks worldwide since 9/11; how many violent attacks by “Islamophobes”? More below.

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“The truth about Muslims and sex slavery – according to the Quran, rather than Isis or Islamophobes,” by Mariam Hakim, Independent, February 16, 2016:

Like many myths about Islam, the Quran and Muslims, I’ve always heard the worst from Islamophobic extremists and Islamist extremists alike. They tend to share pretty much the same language, online content and perpetuate the same awful narratives about Muslims and their supposed religious practices.

As time wears on I’m starting to see these similarities are unavoidable – particularly online where it is rife. For example, this video of a female Muslim ‘scholar’ saying that men can have sex with female prisoners of war to ‘humiliate’ them has been shared widely on right-wing news sites and social media.

This narrative has been spread in the wake of recent sexual assault allegations in Cologne and reports of Isis fighters raping and selling sex slaves. It’s mainly been promoted by Donald Trump supporting anti-Muslim bigots, far-right extremists and people who’ll easily believe anything bad about Muslims.

Notice how Hakim focuses on who spreads this narrative, as if that were evidence of its falsity, but makes no effort to refute the substance of the case the “female Muslim ‘scholar'” actually made for sex slavery. Hakim’s points below do not address what that “scholar” said.

Those sharing the video usually make unfounded claims that the ‘North African/Arab’ men accused of the Cologne assaults were motivated by a ‘Muslim background’. The video has been used as proof of a culturally ingrained mindset that all Muslims apparently possess, as well as claims that the Quran supposedly endorses raping women, in particular female slaves.

It’s worth noting the video has also been shared by Muslims who have strongly refuted and ostracised the scholar, reacting with disgust over this extreme view.

And they are right: rape and sexual violence is not permitted in Islamic texts. It is of course something that causes harm to other humans, which is not Halal (permissible) and, in early Muslim communities, rape was a crime punishable by death.

However, seeing as this myth isn’t about to go away with a few online condemnations, what scripture is being cited by extremists and has it been distorted? After all, there are billions of Muslims across the globe that aren’t going round capturing women to rape as sex slaves.

The main reference cited is Chapter 23:1-6 in the Quran. It reads:

“And successful are the believers who guard their chastity … except from their wives or those that their right hands possess.”

The reference is about sexual relations, which are forbidden with any woman unless she is a spouse or ‘those their right hands possess’. To be clear, this means a concubine, bondmaid or a slave, but intercourse has to be consensual. Rape is forbidden as it is violent, and Islamic texts legislated for the proper and honourable treatment of slaves.

Hakim quotes a Qur’an passage that does indeed sanction sex slavery — 23:1-6. She could also have adduced 4:3, 4:24, 33:50 and 70:30. But her argument is absolutely absurd. The captives of the right hand, she admits, are concubines, bondmaids, and slaves, but then says “intercourse has to be consensual.” Note that she doesn’t quote any passage from the Qur’an or Hadith to buttress her argument here, because there is no passage she could quote. The very idea of being a bondmaid or slave is that you must do what you are told to do, and have no right to refuse consent. That’s what being a slave means.

Moreover, in Islamic law, even wives don’t have the right to refuse consent if their husbands want sex: a hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “If a husband calls his wife to his bed [i.e. to have sexual relation] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning” (Bukhari 4.54.460).

And: “By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel’s saddle” (Ibn Majah 1854).

So would Mariam Hakim have us believe that under Islamic law, a wife cannot refuse sex but a slave girl can?

Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected.

Furthermore this is not an entitlement. Concubinage and interpersonal relations with various bondmaids/slaves was already occurring at the time the Quran came about and subsequent passages list restrictions as a starting point to help to bring about the end of slavery. In any case, marriage was encouraged (Chapter 24:32) with slaves.

In fact, slavery was never endorsed by Islamic texts; rather it was something inherited from pre-Islamic cultures (pre-600s) that needed to be voluntarily and gradually weeded out of society through manumission, which was highly encouraged (Chapters 24:32-33 & 16:71). Islamic texts list a plethora of avenues to free slaves, as it was seen as a highly virtuous act. It’s difficult to find any references on how to make slaves out of people; rather the focus is always on ending slavery.

Conveniently this is something the extremists ignore, and this example further enforces the point that religious illiteracy is a root cause of extremism. Islamophobic extremists as well as Islamist extremists (like Isis) who promote and validate sexual violence through unspecific passages in the Quran – or without context – do so to justify their own violent mindsets.

Also, references in Islamic texts about slavery don’t apply any longer for a modern age given that slavery has been officially banned internationally since 1948. There is widespread consensus across all nations on this, including Muslims ones. There’s no desire among ordinary Muslims to drag humanity backwards into slavery, especially when there was a clear agenda in key Islamic texts to eventually eradicate it.

Here is another egregious falsehood. All the sects and schools of jurisprudence teach that Sharia is the immutable and perfect law of Allah, over and above any manmade law. Now Hakim would have us believe that Muslims have readily set it aside in favor of manmade laws dating back to 1948. Yet imams to this day routinely assert that Sharia is supreme above all human laws.

Human trafficking and modern sex slavery is, after all, not just a ‘Muslim’ issue, it’s even happening right under our noses in the UK by all sorts of perpetrators. Therefore let’s promote those devout Muslims like Zainab Bangura who work hard to empower victims of Isis’ sexual violence and slavery, as well as those women seeking justice for having been forced into sex slavery elsewhere in the world.

The majority of sane, law-abiding Muslims do not seek to impose themselves on others by force or aggression. They don’t even need me to explain passages in the Quran as they’re not interested in keeping a female slave to rape or ‘humiliate’….

It’s the insane, lawless ones I am concerned about.

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  1. Muhammad Bear says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 10:49 am

    “It’s mainly been promoted by Donald Trump supporting anti-Muslim bigots, far-right extremists and people who’ll easily believe anything bad about Muslims.”

    They’ve mentioned me four times in a single sentence. Impressed!

    • mortimer says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 4:10 pm

      RULINGS ON SEX SLAVES PUBLISHED BY ISIS

      “Question 4: Is it permissible to have intercourse with a female captive?

      “It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with the female captive. Allah the almighty said: ‘[Successful are the believers] who guard their chastity, except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are free from blame [Koran 23:5-6]’…”

      “Question 5: Is it permissible to have intercourse with a female captive immediately after taking possession [of her]?

      “If she is a virgin, he [her master] can have intercourse with her immediately after taking possession of her. However, is she isn’t, her uterus must be purified [first]…”

    • Rev g says

      Feb 18, 2016 at 3:16 am

      Too true. I think most women are anti-rapist, most children are anti-pedophile, as are most decent people of course, and most of us are anti-murderer as well. Are we all bigots because of this?
      The informed person who is anti-islam knows what the religion expects regarding treatment of non-muslims. How can we be expected to not harbor I’ll will in that regard?

  2. ICH says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 10:51 am

    She seems shady as they come.

    You have to wonder if she would still tout the same garbage
    if some pack of scrubs is raping her

    • mortimer says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 11:01 am

      Mariam Hakim would spout the same Islam-à-la-carte if randy, young Muslims attacked her, but they would tell her that their interpretation was better than hers. No Sharia court would be able to convict them.

      • mortimer says

        Feb 16, 2016 at 11:09 am

        The randy Muslims would probably tell Mariam Hakim she was dressed like a whore with a low neckline (in the picture above) and with her face and hair uncovered. They would tell her she provoked them by flaunting herself.

        • Jay Boo says

          Feb 16, 2016 at 12:25 pm

          Let’s hope that she carries around a transcript to read to and ‘educate’ Muslim rapists about Islam’s view on obtaining consent from sex slaves.

      • nomoreislamicstate says

        Feb 16, 2016 at 1:08 pm

        In case you want to know what Sharia says about proving rape: http://www.blindfoldnation.com/index.php/2016/02/09/sharia-law/

        • Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
        • A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
        • A woman’s testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man’s.

    • Rev g says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 11:55 am

      But it isn’t rape, rape is not condoned in Islamic texts. It is merely men having sex with female slaves that the right hand possesses. The slaves are not entitled to any say in the matter.

      • mortimer says

        Feb 16, 2016 at 12:09 pm

        Rev g is correct: ‘rape is not condoned in Islamic texts’…as it is not mentioned.

        In Sharia law, there is no punishment of or mention for the rape of a kafir. There IS HOWEVER a punishment if a MUSLIM has sex with a SLAVE and lowers her VALUÈ. The rapist must merely COMPENSATE the owner for the LOSS OF FINANCIAL VALUE of the slave.

        Raping kafirs must be proved in Sharia court and since a kafir cannot accuse a Muslim, there is no case, no trial and no crime. A kafir woman would be punished again for making a complaint and perhaps murdered in a Sharia country. Her family would try to get her out of the country immediately.

      • Darryl Kerney says

        Feb 16, 2016 at 7:15 pm

        this is how lefties twist meanings,
        to them words are “flexible” and they are the only one’s who know the proper way and time these flexible “meanings” are to be employed, they will completely miss the point trying to argue dialectics with you (which they probably don’t even know they’re doing), rather like someone arguing with you about what color the car is that’s about to run them over….

      • Carolyne says

        Feb 17, 2016 at 12:04 pm

        Slavery is a well-established activity in Muslim countries and even they sometimes bring their slaves with them to Western countries. There have been cases in the US where imported slaves have escaped and their slave-holders prosecuted. It is a Koran and Mohammed approved right of a Muslim man to rape any slave or infidel woman he may wish and it is happening in Western Europe every day of the week, while their governments blame the women who are raped, just like the Koran does.

        Even though slavery was reluctantly officially outlawed in 1962, as well as Oman in 1970, and oddly, Mauritania in 1905, 1981, and again in August 2007. although that was only to please the west and slavery is widely practiced in those countries as well as others to this day. It is customary in some Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to import Filipino women as domestic servants and then enslave them.

        Raping enslaved women is to a Muslim as apple pie is to an American. It is enshrined by Mohammed’s words as recorded in the Koran. This idiotic woman who wrote the article has no knowledge or denies the truth she, on the off chance, might know about Islam. She is herself a slave to a depraved so-called religion.

        • Carolyne says

          Feb 17, 2016 at 12:08 pm

          I should have said in the second paragraph that “Slavery was reluctantly officially outlawed in Saudi Arabia in 1962.”

        • mortimer says

          Feb 17, 2016 at 2:12 pm

          Carolyne wrote: “This idiotic woman … might know…”

          I agree she probably DOES KNOW everything written here and more that she is pretending not to know.

          It’s despicable prevarication, but taqiyya is part of verbal jihad. Mariam Hakim is therefore INTENTIONALLY trying to deceive the dirty kafirs about Islamic slavery.

          It’s so sad they think Islam can be defended with lies…that will work for only so long before all the Leftarded cultural Marxist DENIERS catch on and stop accepting whoppers like the ones Mariam Hakim is shovelling.

          One more time, here’s what Mariam Hakim is claiming : “under Sharia law, a sex slave must consent to sex before her owner can rape her”.

  3. Matthew24 says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 10:55 am

    Islam: The Crown Jewel of Political Correctness

    • Dacritic says

      Feb 17, 2016 at 9:30 am

      What else is new with Muslim apologists.

  4. mortimer says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 10:57 am

    Robert Spencer wrote: “So would Mariam Hakim have us believe that under Islamic law, a wife cannot refuse sex but a slave girl can?”

    There’s the point. It is absurd of Mariam Hakim to assert that a slave has MORE rights than the ‘free’ Islamic woman. Is she not feeling any regret for claiming that?

    In her haste to defend Islam as a modern code of ethics, Mariam Hakim has had to ignore Islamic history and practices going back to Mohammed and the ‘rightly-guided caliphs’.

    Mariam Hakim practices cafeteria Islam or Islam-à-la-carte. She picks what is to her taste and rejects whatever offends her modern ideas.

    However, the free sexual abuse of women of Mohammed and his ‘pioneers’ (the Salafs) will not go away by the say-so of Mariam Hakim nor will young Muslim men stop learning of those abusive sexual practices and SEEK TO IMITATE THEM!

    Randy, young Muslim men will interpret the hadiths and Sira and Koran according to what satisfies their lust.

    • Westman says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 11:38 am

      Mariam should author a book on Islam to prove the religion of peace defends her notions. An accurate title could be “Hakim’s Hokum”.

      How about the Independent hosting a debate between Hakim and Spencer? That should uncover her agenda and shallow doctrinal support within a minute or two.

      • mortimer says

        Feb 16, 2016 at 11:53 am

        Westman wrote: ‘Mariam should author a book on Islam’

        Lesbian writer Irshad Manji wrote such books and is now in hiding. She nearly got killed trying to peddle her ideas in Indonesia and rushed out of the country.

        The same will happen to Mariam Hakim, but she may have to learn that when the death threats come in. I predict she will soon be silenced by the vigilantes.

        • Westman says

          Feb 16, 2016 at 2:09 pm

          Mortimer, could you imagine the debate when the subject of polygamy comes up? After that she could write an article entitled, “The Joy Of Being The Fourth Wife”.

        • Dacritic says

          Feb 17, 2016 at 9:57 am

          Irshad Manji is a joke. First, she seems to be unable to differentiate between the problem being the ideology (Islam) and it being the adherents (Muslims). When we say Islam is the problem, the Left would freak out and say, “…but…but…not all Muslims are like that!” Yes, that is why we say it is the ideology that is the main problem. Irshad Manji, on the other hand, says the problems with Islam today is “Muslims”.

          Secondly, she claims that it is not necessary for Muslims to believe Muhammad as a prophet. My jaw dropped hearing that. This just takes the cake. What is Islam if not for Muhammad?

      • PRCS says

        Feb 16, 2016 at 12:06 pm

        Hakim’s Hokum

        Good one.

  5. mortimer says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:06 am

    Here’s a small clue about rape for Mariam Hakim…

    Koran 48:29 is a verse that clearly and unmistakably, perhaps even deliberately, contradicts the Golden Rule.

    Koran 48.29 “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
    Those with him are VIOLENT (ashiddaa’) against the unbelievers (kufaar),
    Compassionate amongst themselves.”

    Rape is sexual violence against the kafirs…Allah commands violence against the kafirs. If the kafirs are ‘harbis’ (those resisting Islam) their ‘honor’ is not protected, so raping ‘harbis’ is ‘mubaa’ (licit). There are practically no ‘dhimmis’ in the world today, so virtually ALL kafir women are ‘harbis’ who may be ‘humbled’ by rape.

    Whether Mariam Hakim agrees with the logic or not has no bearing on whether the young men have exactly that interpretation in their minds.

    • mortimer says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 11:13 am

      I personally believe that since Mariam Hakim is going against normative Islamic interpretation of ‘modesty’ and the standard Islamic idea of protecting ‘honor’, she will eventually receive death threats and go into hiding.

      Irshad Manji tried to modernize Islam and is now protected by Israeli security guards.

      • PRCS says

        Feb 16, 2016 at 12:14 pm

        is now protected by Israeli security guards

        Got a link?

  6. Nimrod says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:13 am

    We keep seeing these people with zero authority within mainstream Islam claiming to tell us what Islam says about things.

    The answer to this should always be the same: hey, that’s great, now go convince all the mullahs at al Azhar university of that. Good luck.

    That’s always my answer.

    Then again maybe we have another one of those interesting Islamic word definitions such as “consent” being redefined to mean exactly the same thing as “doing what the slave master tells you to do”.

  7. Stephanie says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:13 am

    A slave must consent to being raped. Lolz This woman is the one who is insane for even writing such garbage! She knows what her beloved Muhammed did to captured women! And approved of his followers doing the same, even down to whether or not to ejaculate in captured women, and what to do if they had a husband already. The sick bastards. It’s just like their excuses for child-bride Aisha….Oh, it was an “honor” for her, oh it was a “great romance”….all lies, as the poor little girl hyperventilated before being forced to let Muhammed penetrate her and her hair fell out from the ‘thighing’ and sexual molestation she suffered for years before the actual penetration. Disgusting pigs!

    • mortimer says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 12:00 pm

      When Aisha was eighteen, she poured poison down pedophile Mohammed’s throat under the instructions of her father Abu Bakr. Her father came to bury Mohammed under Mohammed’s bed in the middle of the night.

      Is Islam a conspiracy from start to finish or what? Nothing a Muslim says may be trusted due to the doctrine of taqiyya. Muslims mistrust one another more than anyone because of taqiyya.

    • Nimrod says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 12:42 pm

      Yes, it’s ridiculous. This seems very much like the Orwellian phrases Freedom is Slavery, Slavery is Freedom.

    • Hindu American says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 3:56 pm

      But, in a perverse way this clueless muslima is right. After all, the slave does have a choice – get raped (by consenting to it) or die. Hakim’s female ancestor chose the coward’s way out and lived on to enjoy the experience.

      After all, that’s how her ancestors created lineages of compliant, sadistic muslims.

      • mortimer says

        Feb 17, 2016 at 2:19 pm

        Agree with HA: “that’s how her ancestors created lineages of …Muslims”

        All the Muslims in India and Pakistan are descended from Hindu women raped invading Persian and Arab Muslims. Does that make the Pakistanis proud or ashamed?

  8. Stephanie says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:21 am

    So, basically her attitude is those filthy whore kaffirs that got captured wanted it! Ah, isn’t that always the Muslim way? Guess they let themselves get captured, taken as slaves, and raped, therefore they consented. Voila, Islamic logic. Just like if you wear something cute you’re asking for Muslim males to grope and rape you. Smh.

  9. zulu says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:22 am

    the comment section is interesting. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-truth-about-muslims-and-sex-slavery-according-to-the-quran-rather-than-isis-or-islamophobes-a6875446.html

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 3:41 pm

      Thanks, Zulu–many of the comments are refreshingly Islamosavvy and call Mariam Hakim out on her bs!

  10. mortimer says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:25 am

    Here’s A PERFECT EXAMPLE of Islam-à-la-carte…Mariam Hakim said, “The majority of sane, law-abiding Muslims do not seek to impose themselves on others by force or aggression.”

    However, jihadists DO ‘seek to impose themselves’ and Islam on others by force or aggression. That is what we are discussing…rape and slavery in jihad. Most kafirs today are ‘harbi’ kafirs…those resisting Islamic subjugation.

    I would respond that ‘The majority of sane, law-abiding Muslims’ do not act like Mohammed who committed violent jihad every six weeks in the last years of his life. Most Muslims never commit jihad, but obey all the national laws and stay out of jail, and pay their mortgage and car off.

    The FACT that Muslims do not behave violently like Mohammed (by practicing jihad) shows they do not believe Mohammed is a good role model, they are unsure Islam is true and therefore do not practice foundational Islam, but a water-down version of Islam…as does Mariam Hakim. Her Islam is a modernized, lax version of Islam that is ‘bida’…innovation…and therefore she could be ‘punished’ by more Salafist Muslims for her laxity.

    • Westman says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 2:36 pm

      Right on, Mortimer. Hakim needs to spend some time in the ME so she can realize that the true believers in Sharia are not so modern. I don’t even buy into the notion that the majority of world muslims are moderate. I believe most “moderate” Muslims are in, and came to, the West for two reasons: A more prosperous life, and, to get away from the fundamentalist Islam that kept them from a prosperous life.

      It’s no secret that the Muslim immigrants to the West in the past 40 years don’t spend much time at the Mosque. These more recent immigrants may be another story.

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 8:48 pm

      Mortimer and Westman, you are assuming that Mariam Hakim is just innocently ignorant–I think it more likely that she is slinging Taqiyya here.

    • Pong says

      Feb 17, 2016 at 6:20 am

      Motimer.
      “The FACT that Muslims do not behave violently like Mohammed (by practicing jihad) shows they do not believe Mohammed is a good role model, they are unsure Islam is true and therefore do not practice foundational Islam…”
      No, it doesn’t. Jihad in koran isn’t just killing, it is to spread and support islam, which includes supporting those who do it by violent means.
      They are sure that islam is true. After all, it says they are the best of people. To give moslems any benefit of doubt is a soft version of what islamic apologetics do.

  11. Nikko says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:28 am

    A better understanding of muslims : A radical will cut off your head while moderates hold your feet.

  12. Russell Kirk Was Right says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:28 am

    Wow, she sounds credible. If that golden picture of her face is any indicator of her fecund intellect, I’m guessing she’ll win the world over to the greatest system of law and morality to ever hit planet earth.

  13. K. says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:38 am

    “… harm to other _humans_, which is not Halal (permissible)”

    This is the keyword here. Unbelievers are not humans in Islamic view. Hence she can say a thing like that without even blushing. This same method of “doublethink” permeates everything Muslims say about their creed.

    • Darryl Kerney says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 7:40 pm

      exactly, when muslims and apologists say islam condemns murder of Innocents they speak a HALF TRUTH,
      because islam says that non muslims are Not Innocent, but they always seem to leave that part out.

  14. mortimer says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:42 am

    Historical Proof that Rape of Kafirs is Mubaa

    Khalid ibn Walid became the greatest general of early Islam under Mohammed and then Caliph Abu Bakr. During the great Arabian Apostasy War, Khalid was sent to suppress rebellion against the caliphate and force former Muslims to pay taxes. Khalid arrested the rebel Malik, declared him a rebel and an apostate and ordered his execution. Thereupon, he raped Malik’s widow, Layla bint al-Minhal. This rape created controversy, though it is what Mohammed did himself. Some officers of his army believed that Khalid killed Malik to take his wife. Once back in Medina, Khalid was called by Caliph Abu Bakr to explain himself. ‘Umar told Khalid: “You enemy of Allâh! You killed a Muslim man and thereafter took his wife. By Allâh, I will stone you”.

    Abu Bakr dismissed the complaint by deciding that raping the wife was licit on the grounds that Malik had left Islam. This shows that Mariam Hakim’s ideas were rejected by Abu Bakr and that raping kafir women at war with Islam is normative Islam, rather than an aberration, since Mohammed’s most important companion permitted and continued Mohammed’s rape practices.

    • mortimer says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 11:47 am

      This story shows that rape of Muslim woman is punished by stoning, but the rape of kafir is not punished at all.

      • Darryl Kerney says

        Feb 16, 2016 at 7:49 pm

        it’s no wonder today’s “liberals and lefties” ETC are so entranced with islam, it is exactly like the twisted way they “think”, they find equivalence wherever they wish it to be, they twist meanings and concepts into whatever shape they Feel like, they consider anything “exotic” to be superior and that i think is what fascinates them, it isn’t logical or rational or sensible at all, and they love it.

      • Carolyne says

        Feb 17, 2016 at 12:23 pm

        But the rape of Moslem women is punishable by death by stoning if the woman cannot produce four male witnesses to the rape. However, it is the woman who is stoned to death, not the rapist.

  15. Robert Crawford says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:47 am

    Having seen imams declare that slavery is still permitted by Islam, I simply count the linked article as nothing but lies.

    • K. says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 12:18 pm

      That’s exactly what I said 2 comments above. They don’t regard unbelievers as humans, so they can say all these things sounding right to the outer world, but inside they mean it only to apply to relations inside the creed.

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 3:43 pm

      True, Robert–that she is condoning *slavery* in the first placerenders her glowing view of that state utterly without credibility.

  16. Maddy Bradbury says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:48 am

    It must have been hell to have been an infant in Ayatollah Khomeini’s household and world in Iran. Khomeini wrote that infants could be used for sex activities. A male could “thigh” the male infant and could also attempt anal sex, whether it was painful and/or injurious to the child or not. A female baby could be made to consent to vaginal sex and or anal sex. If her genitals were damaged during these sex acts, it would be acceptable, as she would later simply be relegated to a separate category of womanhood as she matured. This advice was doled out by an Islamic religious leader who was following his “God’s” rulings on human sex. This wasn’t his personal view of sex; this was the Quran’s view. Is this what we must look forward to in the USA in the future? A demagogue who is also a religious maniac with an evil soul? Oh….but I forgot…..we’re just Islamaphobes…..right.

  17. Northern Virginiastan says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:51 am

    The Independent is a leftist UK rag like The Guardian. Don’t forget that the masochistic Robert Fisk writes for The Independent.

  18. Richie says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 11:51 am

    “slaves have to consent”?

    Is that in of itself a contradiction?

  19. Linde Barrera says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    Pardon me while I barf at this woman’s writing! I suggest revising the Jimmy Buffet song “Wasting Away Again in Margaritaville” and replace it with “Wasting Away Again in Taquiyaville”. ??

    • JeffS says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 12:34 pm

      Or the Eagles “Taqiyya Sunrise”.

      • Muhammad Bear says

        Feb 16, 2016 at 12:57 pm

        And “Hotel Caliphate”

        • Rev g says

          Feb 16, 2016 at 2:55 pm

          I thought it was “Houri Camel-for-ya”. Not everyone has sex slaves.

        • gravenimage says

          Feb 16, 2016 at 3:45 pm

          “You can check out any time you want but you can never leave”–describes Islam to a tee.

  20. Atheist kaffur says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 12:10 pm

    Total nonsense and rubbish. Slaves have to consent! Nonsense! that is why they are slaves they don’t consent but are forced to be slaves at the threat of death. The death part is left out of the equation..

  21. Tiredofstupid says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 12:15 pm

    The majority of sane, law-abiding Muslims do not seek to impose themselves on others by force or aggression. They don’t even need me to explain passages in the Quran as they’re not interested in keeping a female slave to rape or ‘humiliate’ This quite true-and all 247 of them agree that they do not want to impose themselves by force-Taqqiya works almost as well.

    • Carolyne says

      Feb 17, 2016 at 12:28 pm

      Are you sure 247 is the correct number? I would have thought maybe 30-40.

  22. Jay Boo says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 12:17 pm

    When a piece of truth does not fit into their elaborated puzzle, they get their pruning shears on the double.

  23. Keith says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    Now there is a debate I would like to see, Mariam Hakim and Anjem Choudhury. Should be interesting I wonder if he would demand that she dresses in correct Islamic manner before he debated her. Not that it would matter one way or another he would wipe the floor with her.

  24. ECAW says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    Consenting slave girls and jokey beatings.

    Islam deserves a Disneyworld type theme park to showcase its surreal beliefs and characteristics.

  25. abad says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    Hakim is totally out of line – she is not wear hijab while defending her faith.

    Five demerits for her.

    LOL

  26. Wellington says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    I’m reminded here of what the great Claude Rains, playing an English diplomat, said in the film Lawrence of Arabia, to wit, that a person who tells lies merely hides the truth but a person who tells half lies has forgotten where they put it. I believe Mariam Hakim long ago forgot.

  27. Western Canadian says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 1:30 pm

    This foolish woman would fail miserably plying herself as a prostitute on the street, but instead has opted for another form of prostitution. The variety practiced by the lowest of male and females within our culture at the present time. Prostitutes who are willing to dress up any lie about islam (and other crimes against humanity), in return for careers, social status among fools like themselves, as they produce drivel such as her pathetic article…. She is a prostitute of the worst kind, one who lies for a living, which is much lower and more damaging to the culture she infests than the older form of prostitution.

  28. Yaffle says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 1:51 pm

    Oh dear, the Independent is about to fold. What a pity!
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/11/independent-owner-considering-closing-national-print-titles

  29. DaveJ says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    Dear Independent: Well thanks for clearing that up. I’m sure that all the women groped and raped in Cologne first gave their consent, as did the 10 year old boy viciously raped in a public swimming pool by a Muslim “refugee”.

    When the deceitful defenders of Islam are women it makes it even more incredible.

    Remember all the “moderates” are reading the same exact teachings as the “extremists”.

    BTW, Bill Warner at politicalIslam.com has a good explanation of why many of us are afraid to know about Islam, even after 1400 years of war, the massacres of millions and the enslavement of so many women and Christians. After enough abuse the abused can start to defend the abuser.

  30. jb says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    People need to REALIZE that ISIS is TRUE Islam how women are treated and liberal feminists inviting this are DUMBEST PEOPLE in world.
    Listen to 2 exmuslim women discuss islam REAL LIFE oppression of women, beaten by husband, molested if not covered, is like cancer conquest
    Its long so can fast forward
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/radiofpc2015/2016/02/16/live-up-to-freedom
    and
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/radiofpc2015/2016/02/09/live-up-to-freedom

    Four women are raped by ISIS fighters and then stoned to death in Mosul
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3447570/Four-women-raped-ISIS-fighters-stoned-death-Mosul-punishment-committing-adultery.html

  31. gravenimage says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 2:20 pm

    Independent: Quran doesn’t sanction sex slavery, slaves have to consent
    ……………………..

    Well, *this* is grimly hilarious. Outside of the silly BDSM community, you don’t find slaves consenting to anything. That is, indeed, the whole nature of slavery.

    • Carolyne says

      Feb 17, 2016 at 12:34 pm

      Yes, her article seems to imply that a slave is a slave by consent. How odd she doesn’t realize the dichotomy in that.

      “Before I’d be a slave, I’d be buried in my grave……”

  32. Western Canadian says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 2:51 pm

    If you go to read the article, please do stay to read the comments!!! The article is being savaged (pun intended), as it should be. The occasional devout muslim or ‘all churches are evil’ louts show up, but the tout is taking a well deserved beating!!! There is still hope! (and if and when there is a turn around, ‘reporters’ available to the highest or most PC bidder, will be hauled into courts of law.)

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 3:47 pm

      Yes–over all very heartening!

  33. Angemon says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    Like many myths about Islam, the Quran and Muslims, I’ve always heard the worst from Islamophobic extremists and Islamist extremists alike. They tend to share pretty much the same language, online content and perpetuate the same awful narratives about Muslims and their supposed religious practices.

    Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. The so-called “islamophobic extremists” (and I’d love to hear Mariam Hakim’s explanation of what an “islamophobic moderate” is – is is something like a slight pregnancy?) are the people who point out at what the islamic clerics, if not everyday muslims, say and go “look, these people are telling islam is such and such. Death penalty for apostasy, the lack of rights to women, the persecution of minorities – those values are incompatible with out core Western values, and we need to make sure we don’t bring in people who wish to impose them on us”.

    In any case, the head of ISIS has a PhD in islamic studies. What are Mariam Hakim’s credentials?

    Also, references in Islamic texts about slavery don’t apply any longer for a modern age given that slavery has been officially banned internationally since 1948

    Would you be so kind as to refresh my memory, Mariam – when did Saudi Arabia and Yemen officially abolished slavery?

    The majority of sane, law-abiding Muslims do not seek to impose themselves on others by force or aggression.

    Now, now, Mariam – that’s not the same as saying they reject the existence of sex slavery in islamic orthodoxy, is it?

  34. somehistory says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    Does she have fever with her fits?

    She has served up enough rotten bologna to feed all who might believe her lies.

    Again with the dictionary of islam…No words mean what they really mean when uttered or written by the devout servant…*slave*…of satan the devil and his wild and evil beast of islam.

  35. gravenimage says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 3:53 pm

    Like many myths about Islam, the Quran and Muslims, I’ve always heard the worst from Islamophobic extremists and Islamist extremists alike. They tend to share pretty much the same language
    ……………………………..

    I’m so tired of this. This is like saying Hitler and Churchill were alike because the described Fascism in the same way.

    Moreover, look a the false conflation between “Islamist extremists” and “Islamophobic extremists”–one group of “extremists” are enslaving Infidel women and beheading journalists and aid workers; the other group of “extremists” is pointing out that they do so…

  36. BlueRaven says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    She is an Afghan Muslim, what do you expect if not deception. No surprises there.

  37. SoCalMike says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    So good to see so many readers see through the bogus lie equating Islamic Jihadis or the more innocuous sanitized term “extremists” with the completely bogus term “Islamophobes.”
    It’s not a phobia when they declare religious war on you and the 4 corners of the earth beheading and gang raping with theological, legal and cultural sanction.

  38. Richard says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 5:39 pm

    Mariam Hakim and all apologists for Islam should realise that truth does not depend on the narrator but stands alone on the strength of its evidence. And to deny the truth is falsehood and lies.

    The truth is that Islam permits non-Muslim women to be taken as slaves and raped. To deny that is a lie.

    To say that slavery predates Islam does not justify slavery sanctioned under Islam. Emancipation and freedom also predates Islam. Far from enlightening society it fixes it for all time to the barbarity of the 7th century despot, Muhammad.

  39. Darryl Kerney says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    “….Islamophobic extremists and Islamist extremists alike. They tend to share pretty much the same language, online content and perpetuate the same awful narratives….”
    BUT !!!
    she fails to mention that
    1 – the Islamophobic extremists are AGAINST those awful narratives,
    and hope to prevent them being imposed on us
    2 – the Islamist extremists are FOR those awful narratives and hope to impose them on us.

    apparently she is unable to see the difference.

  40. gravenimage says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    On this article’s page in the Independent you can find a link to this bald-faced piece of Taqiyya:

    “The Prophet Mohammed had British values – so the only way to combat extremism is to teach more Islam in schools”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-prophet-mohammed-had-british-values-so-the-only-way-to-combat-extremism-is-to-teach-more-islam-a6717066.html

    The author is one Sajda Khan, an infamous Muslim apologist.

    The only good thing is that a lot of the commenters know this is bs.

  41. Nimrod says

    Feb 17, 2016 at 12:50 am

    You know, I had a bunch of sharia sex slave girls once. Since I couldn’t have sex with them without their consent I never seemed to get much action since they always said no. They also refused to dress in the sharia-compliant topless manner (permitted but not required) like I asked.

    Well shucks. This sex slavery thing was obviously not working out too well. Can’t really get em to do anything without their consent.

    After not too many days they all left because, well, you know, it’s not like I could hold them against their will without their consent or anything.

    So I guess I must technically own some sex slave girls somewhere but I have no idea where they are anymore. I told them to keep in touch but I guess they didn’t consent to do that.

    So I’m not really sure how this Islamic sex slavery thing is supposed to work exactly cause you know they have to consent to everything and, uh, they’re kinda not here now. Are they, like, supposed to come back at some point out of a sense of Islamic duty or something?

    Uh, maybe Allah, who wills all things, will make them come back and do what I want or something? Is Allah unhappy because I haven’t been praying properly maybe? Maybe a dog or pig invalidated my prayers or something because there certainly aren’t any sex slave women around to invalidate my prayers.

    I’m having trouble figurin this out. I better go read this article again… I must have missed something.

  42. Baucent says

    Feb 17, 2016 at 5:26 am

    She’s not living in the real world that is Islam today. And wandering around muslim neighbourhoods of most European countries, in the clothes she is photographed in would likely attract some unwelcome advances from her co-religionists.

  43. duh+swami says

    Feb 17, 2016 at 7:53 am

    It;s O)K squeeze what your right hand possession any time you want as hard as you want…You don’t need her permission, she is your possession…

    Submission to slavery and consent are not quite the same thing…

  44. tesa says

    Feb 17, 2016 at 10:19 am

    get rid of the hard copy,the hard copy is the spirit or attitude that comes to those that follow any religion,so ban the hard copy or change the hard copy so that it gives a good spirit and thus a good attitude.

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