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Moderate Malaysia: Man seeks court’s help to renounce Islam

Feb 18, 2016 7:32 am By Robert Spencer

He wants to leave Islam in order to marry his Hindu girlfriend. That’s his business, and only his business — or at least it should be that way. Because of the strictures of Islamic law, however, he is entangled in legal difficulty, because Islamic law forbids Muslims to leave Islam, and even in “moderate” Indonesia, that makes conversion to another faith nigh impossible, or wrapped in miles of red tape.

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“Man seeks court’s help to renounce Islam to marry Hindu girlfriend,” by V. Anbalagan, The Malaysian Insider, February 18, 2016 (thanks to David):

A food caterer is seeking help from the Federal Court to compel the National Registration Department to remove Islam as his religion and his Muslim name from his identity card, so that he can get married to a non-Muslim.

Mohd Shariff Abdullah (Mahendran), 35, has filed three legal questions to obtain leave from the apex court to have merit of the case heard.

Lawyer Robin Lim, however, said the legal questions cannot be revealed until the court makes a ruling whether to allow Shariff’s leave application.

Shariff’s case is similar to that of Lina Joy’s which went before the Federal Court in 2007.

Lina, a Malay-Muslim, wanted to embrace Christianity to marry her boyfriend, but NRD insisted she produce a conversion (out) certificate from the Shariah court, which she did not possess.

Her lawyers had argued that the department need only consider the baptism certificate from the church to facilitate the change in name and religion.

In a majority verdict, the Federal Court rejected her appeal and ruled that “a person who wanted to renounce his/her religion must do so according to existing laws or practices of the particular religion”.

Lawyer S. Nithiyawathi, who appeared with Lim, said Shariff was still a bachelor and could not marry a Hindu woman until his religious status was resolved.

On October 30 last year, the Court of Appeal dismissed his appeal, as well as that of his step-brothers, Mohd Jefrey Mohd Baser, 32, Mohd Jass, 28, Mohd Naser, 22 and their mother, Jamilah Jan Vasanthegokelam, 56.

A three-man bench, chaired by Datuk Mohd Zawawi Salleh, ruled that evidence on record revealed that NRD’s decision to retain the religon and Muslim names was correct in law.

“It cannot be categorised as unreasonable, perverse and illegal for us to interfere,” Zawawi said of the unanimous ruling.

Lim said with the exception of Shariff, all others have decided against appealing the Court of Appeal ruling.

In 2013, the mother and the siblings filed a judicial review in the High Court and named NRD and the Home Ministry as respondents.

Jamilah wanted to be identified only as Vasanthegokelam, Shariff as Mahendran, Jefrey as Saiprasad Pillai, Jass as Jagath Kishore Pillai and Naser as Yuthesh Pillai.

Facts revealed that Shariff was born to father, S. Ghanasan, and Vasanthegokelam who were Hindus.

The mother in 1982 remarried a Muslim, Mohd Baser a/l Kalakan, and they have three children, Mohd Jefrey, Mohd Jass and Mohd Naser.

The appellate court was told that the mother went to NRD in 1983 to change her name from Vasanthegokelam to Jamilah Jan.

She returned to the department in 1985 to replace her identity card, using the same name.

In early 2013, she came to the department to remove her name and the word “Islam” in the identity card, but was refused unless she produced a conversion certificate from the religious authorities.

The court was also told there was evidence that Jamilah and the children converted to Islam and practised the faith after she had married Baser.

Lim, however, said there were no records of their conversion to Islam.

He said Jamilah did not produce any conversion certificate to the department in order to be classified as Muslim in her identity card.

Lim said Shariff was converted to Islam and given a Muslim name when an application for his identity card was made.

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  1. ECAW says

    Feb 18, 2016 at 8:00 am

    Off topic. For some time now I’ve been trying to bring light to Craig Considine’s darkness, or at least to warn his readers. Things were just getting interesting here:

    https://craigconsidinetcd.com/2016/02/15/pluralism-and-the-najran-christians-how-prophet-muhammad-went-beyond-toleration/

    but he’s started “moderating” my comments. Anyone fancy picking up the argument?

    • Kepha says

      Feb 18, 2016 at 4:58 pm

      Considine is a fool who is wise in his own conceits.

    • billybob says

      Feb 18, 2016 at 6:41 pm

      ECAW – you have given excellent rebuttal, and got the typical reaction. Supporters of Islam simply cannot deal with criticism of Islam. They will usually deflect the conversation to talk about either Christians or Jews. You will NEVER get a direct response from them – because, of course they have no answer.

  2. ICH says

    Feb 18, 2016 at 8:06 am

    ISLAM is the fasted growing religion hahaha

    Hmmm I wonder why

    • JIMJFOX says

      Feb 19, 2016 at 7:33 am

      Simple- it is the most powerful brainwashing system ever devised and once ‘in’ you CANNOT get ‘out’, on pain of death- apostasy. Since the process begins at birth, children are given no choice and must pretend to believe even if they don’t.

      It is NO LAUGHING MATTER.

  3. Jerry in Minneapolis says

    Feb 18, 2016 at 8:40 am

    As an atheist I find it repugnant that any religion holds this much power in society. That Santa Claus/burning bush/throat-cutting nonsense needs to stay in its proper place, with the fairy tales and fiction of life. People and cultures that embrace religious delusion to this extent are rarely better than their religion allows, and man, isn’t islam good proof of that!

    If we let “nice” muslims into our neighborhoods and nation(s) they will import their violent and ignorant ideology too. And that ideology will continue to inspire muslims to kill and destroy us for islam. We have enough problems in America and Europe without throwing Islam’s madness into the mix. I say it’s time to hunker down, secure our boarders, and create a new patriotic zeitgeist here in America for freedom and democracy. No more trying to appease barbaric Islam with soft bigotry and denials. If western leaders are willing to grant equity to islam’s murder and hate then it’s fair we infidels be granted parity for human rights and good morals.

    Fewer muslims=less islam=peace and freedom.

    • Atheist7 says

      Feb 18, 2016 at 9:26 am

      Atheist Jerry, Just to expand a bit on you post. In Islam, human rights and good morals are not really involved. It is only obedience to Allah and Muhammad that matters. Fortunately, both Jews and Christians have rejected the violence of the Old Testament, but Islam, with its dual nature, can mask as peaceful, while carrying out Jihad – either peaceful or violent.
      In the United States today, if you see a collection of people you usually cannot tell their religious background. They could be Jews, Christians, Atheists, Cultists (Scientologists, Mormons) or whatever – with the exception of Muslims. You can tell Muslims by their appearance and they effectively force their culture on the rest of us. Whereas Jews tent to be religious on Saturday, Christians tend to be religious on Sunday; Muslims tend to be religious every day – thus creating a significant disruption on our society.
      With Jews and Christians, Atheists can force a separation of Church and State. With Islam, we cannot. Criticism of Islam is severely punished – resulting in an end to free speech, an end to freedom of inquiry, and the end of scientific progress.

      • Ned says

        Feb 19, 2016 at 8:02 am

        The Old Testament and punishment was directed solely to the Jews and no one else. Jews could also perform sacrifices for forgiveness and to minimize punishment. The whole point was God wanted to point out they were sinners and the hope that they might accept Jesus when He came. Jews rejected Jesus because they wanted their Messiah to free them of Roman oppression and this was not the purpose of Christ. Christ was eternity minded. Jews also did not like the popularity and clarity He brought to Judaism and teachings so they plotted his death. The punishments given by God for the Jews indicates how righteous and holy He is and gives Christians all the more reason to be appreciative of His death for OUR sins. The “wages of sin is death”. I gave the Christian perspective on this..

    • Mo says

      Feb 18, 2016 at 6:52 pm

      @ Jerry

      “As an atheist I find it repugnant that any religion holds this much power in society.”

      How dare you lump all religions into the same category as though they teach the same things or its followers behave the same? Take your ignorance and anti-religious bigotry elsewhere.

      “That Santa Claus/burning bush/throat-cutting nonsense”

      You ignorant fool. Can you show me who worships Santa Claus as a god? And how DARE you compare Yahweh with Santa Claus or “throat cutting nonsense”?

      ” needs to stay in its proper place,”

      What place is that? And says who, you? Be gone, you bigot.

      • JIMJFOX says

        Feb 19, 2016 at 7:35 am

        Ah, “bigotry”– the weasel word for speaking the truth! Last refuge of the religious fanatic.

  4. pdxnag says

    Feb 18, 2016 at 9:16 am

    If he cannot leave Islam free from public and private threat within Indonesia then Indonesia should be forced to leave the United Nations — like most members of the OIC.

    • pdxnag says

      Feb 18, 2016 at 9:18 am

      Opps, I meant Malaysia, but it all seems such a blur of Islamic hate every which way one looks.

  5. Westman says

    Feb 18, 2016 at 10:30 am

    Tell me again about Islam’s “no compulsion in religion” thingy. It appears that you can check in any time you like, but you can never leave

    • JIMJFOX says

      Feb 19, 2016 at 7:36 am

      Hotel California- well quoted!

  6. Nimrod says

    Feb 18, 2016 at 2:44 pm

    Hmmmmmm… Maybe the sharia court can’t give him a “conversion out” certificate without a corresponding “order of execution” certificate?

  7. gravenimage says

    Feb 18, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    Moderate Malaysia: Man seeks court’s help to renounce Islam
    …………………………

    And in Malaysia any native Malay is considered Muslim by birth–no matter what.

    Usually conflating Islam and race is bs–but here are Muslims actually enforcing religion and race.

    • Mazo says

      Feb 18, 2016 at 6:16 pm

      Thats because all Malays were Muslims cravenmirage. After the Malacca Sultanate all Malays became Muslims and everyone after that was either Muslim or born to apostate parents.

      • Champ says

        Feb 18, 2016 at 6:33 pm

        Oh please you’re the “craven” one here ..MAZO!

        You’re constantly defending islam, and only a coward–like you–could defend the indefensible.

        You’re a lost cause serving an evil cause: islam. Congratulations.

      • gravenimage says

        Feb 18, 2016 at 6:44 pm

        The meretricious Mazo wrote:

        Thats because all Malays were Muslims cravenmirage (sic). After the Malacca Sultanate all Malays became Muslims and everyone after that was either Muslim or born to apostate parents.
        ………………………….

        Mazo wants to pretend that Malays being Muslim is simply an observation–but it is not. The fact is that all ethnic Malays in Malaysia are by law Muslim as defined by Article 160 of the Constitution.

        One need only look at the suffering of Lina Joy–a Christian Malaysian who has tried for years to have her conversion to Christianity recognized. She has been unable to marry her Christian fiancé because it is illegal in Malaysia–as it is anywhere under Shari’ah–for an Infidel man to marry a Muslim woman.

        An apostate has by law to go through the Shari’ah courts–which are not only unlikely to grant one’s leaving Islam, but five states in Malaysia have laws that outright forbid apostasy.

        “Malaysia: Those who leave Islam face fines, whippings and death sentence”

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/malaysia-those-who-leave-islam-face-fines-whippings-and-death-sentence

        • Mazo says

          Feb 18, 2016 at 8:05 pm

          Thats called apostasy, moron. The Malay’s traditional religion is by now Islam because the Malacca Sultanate led all Malays into becoming Muslims centuries ago, their established religion is Islam and all Malays are born to Muslim or apostate parents. Its something caled an ethno-religious group, cravenmirage.

          All Italians are presumed Catholic unless stated otherwise. All Serbs are presumed Orthodox unless otherwise. If you don’t know the definition of ethno-religious group then shut up.

          There are ethnicities like Albanians which have several traditional religions and they are pluri-religious ethnicities. Malays aren’t one of them.

        • gravenimage says

          Feb 18, 2016 at 11:21 pm

          More dishonest crap from Mazo:

          All Italians are presumed Catholic unless stated otherwise. All Serbs are presumed Orthodox unless otherwise.
          ……………………….

          Catholicism does not prevent anyone from leaving that faith; nor does any Orthodox denomination.

          Italy does not have laws on the books declaring that all native Italians are Catholic and are prevented from leaving that faith. Nor does Serbia saying that no one may leave Orthodox Christianity.

          In fact, there are no laws preventing apostasy anywhere in the West.

          The idea that the oppression we find in Muslim Malaysia is practiced by every ethnicity that is majority one faith or another is utterly false.

  8. sidney penny says

    Feb 18, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    “Moderate Malaysia: Man seeks court’s help to renounce Islam”

    Robert Spencer you are losing your touch.It is ……

    “Moderate Modern Malaysia: Man seeks court’s help to renounce Islam”

  9. mortimer says

    Feb 18, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights specifically protects the right to change ones religion. Malaysia is a signatory of it and pressure will come from the UN for them to comply.

    Eventually, Muslim countries will have to give in and the exodus from Islam will become a stampede.

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 18, 2016 at 11:24 pm

      Mortimer, I don’t think I’d count on the Islamophilic UN putting pressure on any Muslim country to end their human rights abuses. They’re to busy issuing condemnations of democratic Israel.

  10. dumbledoresarmy says

    Feb 19, 2016 at 3:21 am

    This man in Malaysia – who was born to practising HIndu parents, his mother only converting to Islam after she married his Muslim stepfather – who wishes to return to and practise the HIndu faith of his father has to face the fact that in Malaysia, as things presently are, he will not be allowed to.

    And his half-brothers, whose mother has decided to return to the HIndu faith she practised before marrying their Muslim father, should be free to choose which faith they follow, too. Why should they be compelled to be Muslim forever and ever, with no hope of leaving it, merely because their father followed that religion??? One is not born with a particular set of religious practices pre-coded into the DNA!

    He and his mother and brothers, all of them wishing to practice Hinduism and be known as Hindus rather than Muslims, should have written off Malaysia as a dead loss and voted with their feet… migrating to majority-Hindu India. There they could have shucked off Islam like a dirty old rag and vanished into the 800 000 strong mass of Indian HIndus.

    • JIMJFOX says

      Feb 19, 2016 at 7:39 am

      Don’t you mean 80,000,000 strong??

      • JIMJFOX says

        Feb 19, 2016 at 7:40 am

        Or is it 800,000,000?

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Feb 21, 2016 at 12:13 am

        Yep. Meant to write 800 000 000. Should have used words too – 800 million. And was going from memory, so made another error – in fact it’s 900 000 000. 900 million.

        Deepest apologies to our Indian readers for making such a silly mistake. Poor eyesight also doesn’t help with proofreading.

        A pity this comments system doesn’t have an ‘edit’ function.

  11. Florida Jim says

    Feb 19, 2016 at 10:17 am

    I support him. Muslims cannot stand to have Christianity known a religion of love vs a religion based on hatred. Muslims teach three year old’s how to hate and murder Jews on national TV….do you want them near you? Confusing makes the koran look liberal as needed but down deep it is a religion of pure hatred of everything free people despise. It is run by ignorant Imam’s for ignorant followers who are terrified the people will learn of Christianity and love.

  12. Mark says

    Feb 20, 2016 at 8:17 am

    This 1 hr documentary will cure any guilt trips someone may have about the crusades. https://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y The next ½ hr documentary show what is likely behind the religious power struggles for the past 1000yrs plus. The last 10 min is good entertainment.
    https://youtu.be/xasfYpvVMM0
    The last 10 min is good entertainment. https://youtu.be/Jl5CuCmePBw
    These videos need to be shared as widely and rapidly as possible

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