What makes Obama think that the Islamic State is looking to him for legitimacy? Where did he get the idea that any Muslim looks to any non-Muslim to legitimize his understanding of Islam? The Qur’an calls Muslims “the best of people” (3:110) and unbelievers “the most vile of created beings” (98:6). Does Obama think that if he refrains from acknowledging the Islamic roots of jihad terrorism, that some young Muslim who is considering joining the jihad will think again and turn away? “Oh yes, I was going to travel to Syria to join the Islamic State until I heard Obama say that they were un-Islamic.” Ludicrous.
In reality, most Muslims worldwide get their understanding of what is legitimately Islamic and what isn’t from Muslim clerics, and there are many, many Muslim clerics who support jihad terrorism. The idea that refusing them legitimacy is behind Obama’s refusal to call them “Islamic terrorists” is just a dodge, and plays into the hands of groups such as the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), which makes ongoing efforts to ensure that Westerners are unaware of how jihadis use Islamic texts and teachings to justify what they do.
From Obama’s speech Wednesday at the Islamic Society of Baltimore:
Which brings me to my next point: As we protect our country from terrorism, we should not reinforce the ideas and the rhetoric of the terrorists themselves. I often hear it said that we need moral clarity in this fight. And the suggestion is somehow that if I would simply say, these are all Islamic terrorists, then we would actually have solved the problem by now, apparently. (Laughter.) Well, I agree, we actually do need moral clarity. Let’s have some moral clarity. (Applause.)
Groups like ISIL are desperate for legitimacy. They try to portray themselves as religious leaders and holy warriors who speak for Islam. I refuse to give them legitimacy. We must never give them that legitimacy. (Applause.) They’re not defending Islam. They’re not defending Muslims. The vast majority of the people they kill are innocent Muslim men, women and children. (Applause.)
And, by the way, the notion that America is at war with Islam ignores the fact that the world’s religions are a part of who we are. We can’t be at war with any other religion because the world’s religions are a part of the very fabric of the United States, our national character. (Applause.)

jihad3tracker says
That “legitimacy” canard has been used by him and his minions for a couple of years.
It is one of the dozen or thereabouts phony excuses for refusing to speak truthfully about Islam.
Democrat stooges and leftist media types think it is a legitimate pushback but no one else is fooled.
Shane says
Obama and the left are on the side of the Islamists; there is just no other explanation for their treason.
mortimer says
80% of mosques in America promote jihadist literature…so they put the lie to Obama’s belief that Muslims don’t support ISIS.
A random survey of 100 representative mosques in the U.S. was conducted to measure the correlation between Sharia adherence and dogma calling for violence against non-believers. Of the 100 mosques surveyed, 51% had texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% had texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% had no violent texts at all. Mosques that presented as Sharia adherent were more likely to feature violence-positive texts on site than were their non-Sharia-adherent counterparts. In 84.5% of the mosques, the imam recommended studying violence-positive texts. The leadership at Sharia-adherent mosques was more likely to recommend that a worshipper study violence-positive texts than leadership at non-Sharia-adherent mosques. Fifty-eight percent of the mosques invited guest imams known to promote violent jihad. The leadership of mosques that featured violence-positive literature was more likely to invite guest imams who were known to promote violent jihad than was the leadership of mosques that did not feature violence-positive literature on mosque premises.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
One must question how any self-respecting mosque could make itself not Sharia compliant. To do that requires ignoring the Ko-Ran and the Hah-Deaths, which is apostasy, a capital crime. This 19% of mosques must be shut down; to paraphrase Prez Hussein, honest religion is who we are.
Keys says
@Mortimer-
I accept your statictics, but where did you get the survey results from?
I am thinking of risking my life by writing a letter to the editor of our local paper to refute the recent comments of 2 college profs. I could us them, but need he source. Thank you.
Stephen says
Obama is the Biggest muslim brotherhood Liar in the whole History of United States.
He had admitted that he was a muslim.
U can see the fruits of the tree in Obama Islaministration for the 8 years. This year is his last year.
Cynthia says
Islam is not a religion. It is a political force. Wake up. They will use… our Constitution… against us.
Mathew Solo says
Absolutely
Champ says
Cynthia, I agree that islam is not a religion, per se. It’s more a political movement intent on world domination, but with a religious facade. And islam’a religious facade consists of a false god: allah, a false prophet: muhammad, and muslims/mohammedans: followers of muhammad. So islam does have religious elements, even though they are inspired by evil: satan.
Behind this religious facade is the real driving force: world domination by any means possible: jihad, lying, the works!
balam says
You are absolutely right. Islam is not a religion but a CULT OF HATE AND PREJUDICE.Muslims are not MONOTHEIST but MONO PAGAN DEIST,with Allah being their pagan god which had three pagan daughters.
Michael Copeland says
Islam is “an ideological political movement”.
Anjem Choudary
Georg says
“I have an IQ of 5ive!”
-Andy Choudary
Wellington says
I disagree, Cynthia. Islam, I would vigorously argue, is most definitely a religion but a malevolent one which is ALSO a totalitarian political ideology. As I have rhetorically asked before at JW, where is it written that a religion has to be good? Hey, how about Satanism?
Certainly for First Amendment purposes Islam is a religion and it is a useless endeavor to pursue a path that denies this. I do agree, however, that Islam will, if given the opportunity, use the Constitution to gut or destroy the Constitution. That is why accurate knowledge of Islam is key. Islam can be tolerated in America, just as Marxism and Neo-Nazism are, two other ideologies that would destroy the Constitution if allowed to, but it MUST be properly identified for the iniquity which it is.
Banning Islam is not the right approach. Maintaining it is not a religion is a waste of time. Correctly characterizing it is paramount. Not there yet.
Champ says
“Hey, how about Satanism?”
Excellent point, Wellington! Bravo!! In fact, I’ll go so far to state that you’ve won this *debate* hands down!
Oftentimes I struggle with the question as to whether or not islam is a religion, or not — so above, I explained it the best way that I know how. But without question your above explanation is the best I’ve read–again, Bravo!
Oh please stop, Champ! …sorry, I didn’t mean to go overboard here. Oh wait, yes I did 🙂
Wellington says
Thanks, Champ. Hope you and your family are doing well though the West isn’t, now is it?
Keys says
@Wellington-
Agree with what you’ve posted. However, I have not settled in my mind about whether Islam, or any intolerant religion that coerces (in the sense of by force and not persuasion), can be tolerated in the USA. Since Sharia is all encompassing law, it is by definition incompatible with the US constitution. We can tolerate everything within the law except intolerance of the law.
Therefore, if pockets of Sharia govern over the Constitution in parts of the USA, we are no longer e pluribus unum, because we are not all one under the same law. Any country that tolerates Sharia alongside its own laws is, and will be, full of strife. Isn’t anyone who subverts our law, and country, a traitor, and subject to the penalties thereof?
Marxism and neo- Nazism are political ideologies with no religious basis, and therefore not “of God”, but “of man”. It’s one thing to accept different views, cultures, governances, etc. of men, but when a religon believes that God, as defined by islam, sets the law, no other views are tolerable. Men are less likely to fight and die for the ideology of other fallible
men, but are very likely to fight and die for the will of an infallible almighty god to make his law all encompassing.
Respectfully, how do you work that out, Wellington? A political belief is, for most people, very different from a religious belief, and islam can not separate the two as required in the USA.
A corallary? Don’t democracies like ours eventually committ suicide by accepting Islam or too many muslims? The most popular name in England and Oslo is some form of Mohammad. When the USA population is majority Muslim, they will democratically vote for Sharia, and the Constitution is no longer the law of the land, other religions are not tolerated, and we become the ISA; the stars are replaced with crescent moons, democratically.
Wellington says
Well, Kepha, for me it makes little to no difference that a totalitarian ideology is secularly rooted, as Nazism and Marxism are, or spiritually rooted, as Islam is. The bottom line for me is that they’re 1) all awful; 2) a mortal threat to freedom; and 3) should be legal but properly characterized and thereafter dealt with as the pariahs that they are, though I concede that a totalitarian ideology like Islam does have the extra advantage of hiding behind a religious veil, but this only serves as one more reason for folks in general to be well informed about all the variations that iniquity can take.
As for accepting Muslims, this should not occur anymore than accepting Marxists, Neo-Nazis or anarchists. Really, I don’t see the problem as you do. For me, proper identification of malevolence is enough, even though some malevolencies hide themselves better than others.
Demsci says
Keys, you sketch the problem very well. I believe John Locke and Karl Popper already warned that societies who are tolerant should be intolerant to the intolerant. From the time of Elisabeth the 1st until well after Napoleon Catholics were discriminated against in England for THAT reason. I also believe Germany forbids the Nazi party, because it is clearly anti-democratic, and it must not get the chance to destroy democracy again, as it did in 1933.
But I like to ponder on another kind of solution. You see, you described the downright treacherous intentions of Moslims as a danger, threat. To whom? From whom do they negatively deviate? From the majority of Western Citizens. And they are very very diverse. But can still be considered the neutral, normal majority. That is who they betray, who they want to dominate eventually.
Now, farfetched as it may sound, why can’t there be a third group? Not a group that is only AGAINST Islam (Although it is good if you are that too) BUT a group that itself has an ideology that it promotes. Yes, it compares that ideology with Islam’s, BUT it talks 90 % of what it is FOR, it’s own tenets, values. And not 90 % of the time of what it is against, namely ISLAM.
This 3rd group may even voluntarily “baptise” their children as born in PRO-Democratic Household, marry in pro-democratic ceremonies, wear instead of Hijabs distinctive clothing showing the wearer being pro-democratic, filling in forms with preference of societal system; Democracy. All voluntarily.
This PRO-DEMOCRACY-ideology-group can also have their own most important guiding texts, and still remain very tolerant and open. It’s main purpose is for it’s members to live in democratic societies, preferably expanding them, along with their own numbers.
BUT, if the neutral, normal Western Citizens, in the presence of PRO-DEMOCRACY-groups/ parties, still do not want to save themselves, like the political correct leftists, well, then, the PRO-Democracy-people can leave that choice up to them and let them go (under) and retreat.
It is about positive psychology and thinking 90 % of the issue-thinking-time about what a person and a group are FOR, and only 10 % of the issue-thinking-time or less about what a person or group are against.
It is about letting Muslims fear Pro-Democrats and thinking about them 90 % of the thinking-issue-time because of that fear.
Wellington says
Sorry, Keys. I just re-read this thread and saw that I addressed you as “Kepha” and not your own moniker. Mea culpa.
OsRi says
Islam are winning in America..Each time the mosque was built in infidel countries … they smile and happy.
mortimer says
Cynthia wrote: ‘Islam is not a religion’.
I respond that Islam is like the duck-billed platypus (a mammal that has bird dna).
Islam is a political religion or religious totalitarianism or theocratic fascism…or all three.
Angemon says
Ssshhh, don’t tell him he’s not God…
KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM says
Oh come on!! He knows he isn’t allah because believing that would get him in deep dodo with the moslem brotherhood brass of whichever sect he belongs to (and at this point I’m leaning shiite due to influence of Iran-born valerie jarrett and the mullah pandering nuclear deal). But it wouldn’t surprize me if the liar believes he is the 12th imam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Mahdi
The lying moonbat gets crazier every day. The years of cocaine abuse is clearly catching up. We would be much safer if they impeached and tried the fraud for treason before his second term is up.
VRWC member77 says
KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM,
You know that’s a very good (and disturbing) point concerning the idea that this punk may actually think he’s the 12th imam. And his coke abuse may have indeed, gacked up his Marxist brain to the point that gives explanation to his bold outrageous utterances.
Unfortunately impeachment is a pipe dream at this point thanks to the spineless, corrupt scum-of-the earth congressional “leaders” like mitch-limp-McConnell and paul ryan. I really fear the pardon list this punk comes up with at the (hopefully) end of his term is going to make the prisoner release Saddam Hussein made before the 2003 invasion, look like a pardon for all the holders of parking violations.
Gerard says
Islam stinks!
Am I right?
Or
Am I right?
As for The-Devil-In-The-White-House he has clearly put aside his duty to protect and defend the US and devotes all his time and energy towards protecting and defending Islam!
ICH says
I agree with you all.
Obama is one dangerous idiot.
Its easier sounding like Ghandi than actually taking a stand.
More votes. More $$ in his pocket from Will Smith and his best friends
Mathew Solo says
Our chasing shadows in Afghanistan and Iraq…energized a people…wild men…who live to envy…argue…hate…destroy…so look at Iraq…the ISIS movement…the very heart of it…the Sunni Iraqi People…who helped eject Al-Qaeda for the most part from Iraq…They were cooperating with the US…They were left to the mercy of the Shia…They were humiliated…and now will fight for ever anyone who is on their list of enemy…in Afghanistan and Iraq…We managed to do so much more harm than help…not to just the people in those lands…but the world…We have opened a can of very dangerous worms and they have crawled out to be what they are among us.
Our Real World Enemies have observed for years much of our military prowess and
technology in action…they took notes…made changes…they strengthened from this…
while We poured out our prowess…We wore down our equipment.
The present Administration has focused on fighting for Domestic discretionary spending…instead of defense.
We have mandatory domestic spending that needs overhauling badly…
meaning that there would be savings even there…this discretionary spending is just that…We could hinder special interest if We would just admit…We can no longer fund pure waste…in areas that Have for far too long been touted as needed…and ended up being totally unwarranted.
If we stay in the shade too long…We Will Miss Our Day In The Sun.
Myxlplik says
Ahh, the lie of Muslim freedom, and Wilsonian virtues.
Muslim freedom=Orgy of death
Walter Sieruk says
As for ISIS or otherwise called by some the Islamic “state.” It’s widely known that the the supreme head and chief of ISIS is al- Baghdaddi .What is not so widely known is that al -Baghdadi is just a puppet ruler and a figure head. The actual and real Supreme Head and Chief of ISIS has been explained by the Christian author, Charlies Dyer, in his book THE ISIS CRISIS. For it ,on page 116, informs the reader that “The ultimate commander of ISIS remains unseen by most of his followers, but he is not unknown. This commander is Satan himself….Satan moves across the earth ‘like a roaring ,seeking someone to devour.’ [First Peter 5:8.].” Therefore, in the light of this Bible truth it now shown is that the cruel vicious malicious and murdering jihadists fiends and thugs who compose ISIS are deluded,fools, tools and stooges who are used by Satan to terrible harm against humankind.. all this is a reminder that the Bible teaches “The hearts of men are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterwards they join the dead.” Ecclesiastes 9:3. [N.I.V.]
Walter Sieruk says
The cruel vicious and malice-filled murdering jihadist thugs who make up the demonic and deadly jihad entity ISIS are so very bloodthirsty, ruinous and murderous they are similar to, in character, the heinous villains described in the Bible .Which reads ” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know.” Romans 3:15-17. [N.I.V.]
Georg says
“Does Obama think that if he refrains from acknowledging the Islamic roots of jihad terrorism, that some young Muslim who is considering joining the jihad will think again and turn away?”
He’s be willing to congratulate himself for that, yes.
When he talks about “our values”, he’s roughly speaking of liberalism and acceptance, and what could be more illiberal (yes, whacko fringe things like neo-Nazism, etc., but let’s talk mainstream) and less accepting than Islam? If it’s so damned illiberal why do they make so many excuses for it? Perhaps because in many ways Islam is anti-Western status quo and even anti-white at least in some abstract ways. Westernism and whiteness are of course antithetical to a neoliberal’s conception of Utopia… So, there’s that. His Daddy was Muslim, so it hoyts his feewings to observe the obvious. That he’d write a book pouring over his absentee father before he would the side of his family which nurtured him tells volumes about his sentiments and orientation.
But back to the Islamophilia… Then there is the practical side to saying nothing’s wrong with Islam: The alternative is a reaction on nuclear steroids to what happened after the release of Innocence of Muslims. We have little choice, diplomatically, as of now but to be involved in the Middle East. What with Turkey, KSA, Pakistan, etc. So to some extent, our hands are tied with respect to speaking truth to insanity. We have a culture where apostasy is punishable by death. Can we say insecure? Talk about a society which abhors reflexive thought, wow. So, because they can’t control themselves and refuse to think critically about what’s in their Book, we all have to walk on eggshells and pat on the back sheer Divine Lunacy and Bigotry. It wouldn’t be so outrageous if the neoliberal courting of Islam were simply for these pragmatic reasons, but their embrace speaks to much more than that. They simply cannot tell someone brown, “Your thinking stinks.” So, they are judged (yes of course Muslims come in all colors, but there’s a decided lull in ethnically Nordic Islamic scholars…) by the color of their skin and not the content of their character, or, in this case, charter. Just like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. had hoped for! How liberal, indeed!
And this is why encouraging faulty reasoning, no matter how well-intentioned, is a fool’s errand. Their book is obscene. End of story. It is not possible to successfully argue otherwise.
Dan Jones says
Unholy followers of a pedophile is closer to the truth…
More End Time News At:
http://www.shininginthedark.com/?page_id=4526
Michael Copeland says
Ah, Baltimore. How ironic, and how apt. The great American city was named after Baltimore, a fishing village in southern Ireland.
In Baltimore, Ireland, a hideous atrocity took place many years ago. Late one midsummer evening all the men returned from a long day’s fishing and found the village deserted: no-one home. Frantic with worry, they learnt that armed Muslim raiders from North Africa had landed during their absence and taken all the women by force to sell as slaves
That was in 1631.
What has changed on the Islamic side? Nothing. They follow the same book, with the same actions. They make raids. They abduct non-muslim women for sex slavery. They are proud of being unchanged.
CeltictotheBone says
Baltimore from the Irish Gaelic – An Bailte Mhor – meaning The Big Town. In Ireland any community larger than yours was/is refered to as An Bailte Mhor in Irish. Ta me ag dhul go dti an Bailte Mhor. I am going into town.
mortimer says
Obama who has not read Islam’s source texts considers himself an authority on Islam. But does Obama know Islam better than Caliph Al Baghdadi?
Caliph Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, who is the ISIS chief and the caliph of the Islamic State, is apparently the first Islamic Studies PhD from a Muslim background who has no idea about Islam.
Al-Baghdadi, who has obtained BA, MA and PhD degrees in Islamic studies from the Islamic University in Baghdad, has been condemned as a person who knows nothing about Islam, and as the head of an organization that has nothing to do with Islam.
The professors from the Islamic University of Baghdad, however, do not agree. They taught the caliph and believe his credentials and doctrines are sound.
“If a person who has a PhD in Islamic studies and does nothing but study the Islamic scriptures knows nothing about Islam, then who does?” questioned al-Baghdadi’s main teacher from the Islamic University, preferring to remain anonymous since the fatwa against ISIS and its chief puts his reputation into jeopardy.
“The wine-sipping Muslims, those hedonistic adulterers will tell the world what true Islam is? Obama and Cameron know more about Islam than the faculty of Islamic studies at the Islamic University in Baghdad?” the professor bellowed with rage, while talking to a journalist.
Another professor who had taught al-Baghdadi in BA said off the record that the Isis caliph was an ardent student.
“He had this obsession with Islamic studies. I used to tell him to go out and have some fun sometimes. But his idea of fun wasn’t too human friendly,” the professor said. “In any case he was a top student. One of the best I’ve ever had. Had the entire syllabus on his finger tips – to be honest, he knew more about Islamic studies than most of the professors.”
“While you can question whether they are humans or not, there is no doubt that ISIS, including Abu Bakr (al Baghdadi), are indeed bona fide Muslims,” concluded the ISIS caliph’s PhD professor.
All Muslims know Obama is a humbug for saying such things.
mortimer says
ISIS has the SAME BELIEFS as the Wahhabist sect of Saudi Arabia.
-in December 2015, the present Grand Imam of Al Azhar University, Sheikh Ahmed abu al Tayeb said that he was unable to denounce the leaders of ISIS as un-Islamic.
-in 2015, the former imam of the Grand Mosque of Mecca, Sheikh Adel al-Kalbani, declared that the Islamic State and Saudi Arabia “follow the same thought”. He has stated as well, that ISIS is a “true product of Salafism,” the same brand of Islam as officially espoused by Saudi Arabia. He clearly stated, “We [in Saudi Arabia] follow the same thought [as ISIS], but apply it in a refined way…They draw their ideas from what is written in our own books, from our own principles… we do not criticise the thought on which it (ISIS) is based”.
Wellington says
Agreed, mortimer. I find it grimly amusing when uninformed people condemn ISIS or Wahhabism as not being representative of what Islam really is all about. It would be hard to get anything more wrong than asserting this nonsense. What Islam really is not about is what dhimmis aplenty want it to be, along with sincere but deeply confused Muslims like Zuhdi Jasser and Irshad Manji who have constructed in their mind a fantasy version of Islam.
Well, fantasies about Islam to the extent they exculpate the real thing are worse than useless. Indeed, they are a danger in and of themselves. Loads, and I mean loads, of folks out there, including tons of Western elites, engage in stupid and lethal fantasies about Islam on a daily basis. Oh yeah, still much trouble ahead principally because the truth about Islam still escapes so many.
mortimer says
There is no Islam-à-la-carte. Islam is highly codified and deviation from any particular of the code is cause for a heresy trial, the end of which may be very serious consequences for the deviant, including death. Jasser and Manji have no right to invent their own, personal, deviant, ‘cafeteria’ version of Islam.
Western elites have not done the readings, but presumptuously present themselves as experts. How can that be?
mortimer says
Obama and other Leftards are all about their agenda. Facts be damned. They are ‘bullshitters’ in the sense of professional philosopher H.G. Frankfurt, PhD.
According to Prof. Harry G. Frankfurt, bullshit is a problem focussed on intentions. Bullshitting, as he notes, is not exactly lying, and bullshit remains bullshit whether it’s true or false. The difference lies in the bullshitter’s complete disregard for whether what he’s saying corresponds to facts in the physical world: he “does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.”
Demsci says
With all due respect, Wellington, and I only brainstorm here, but….
Although JW-ers, thanks to Robert Spencer, know tons and tons about Islam, It still depends on whether Islam is clear or not. And in what direction of course (supremacist or peaceful). And before we go further; what are the confines of “divine islam” and what are the manmade explanations of it? Although even the Ahadith are of varying sahih, trustworthyness I will include them in the core-texts; Quran, Sira, Ahahith (QSA).
Now we know about a great many very clear anti-democratic, violent instructions in QSA. But these are NOT the ENTIRETY of QSA! There are also clear verses that indicate peacefulness and benevolence, as apologists refer too, you must know that. And Luxenburg told us, one in 5 verses of the Quran is really incomprehensible. Maybe that goes for Sira-Ahadith to some extent to.
What we thus see is 2 contradicting CLEARS still make an entire text UNCLEAR. The possibility of Multi-interpretability and of rejecting later manmade explanations, like those of Al Ghazali, even the four school of sunni’s and the ones of the shiites, opens then.
And multi-interpretability is key, because that allow Muslims like Zuhdi Jasser to NOT stray from texts, but merely cherrypick, but that, you see, is exactly is what all the other Muslims and counterjihadists and apologists ALL do, of necessity.
The danger you talk about is naivete, about what existing numbers of Muslims really think. You are right about that.
But multi-interpretability, due to contradiction and vagueness and limited divine texts, that are unchangeable, but interpretable in several directions, up to and including democratic interpretations, does give us possibilities.
The biggest one being holding Muslims accountable, precisely because of that choice of clinging to a multi-interpretable religion,
while it is well known that hundreds of millions of Muslims interpret Islam downright anti-democratic and hostile to democracies. And such persons, who declare themselves only neutral Muslims, now can thus be refused entry in democratic countries. Only pledged and controlled allegiance to democratic system and nations, like Muslim Reform Group, need be accepted.
Wellington, if the solution was simple it would have been found long time ago. Please at least consider my proposition with open mind.
RiseAKnight says
Isn’t it amazing how little Western leaders know about (true) Islam? Or is it that they do know but are in denial because other than killing 1.8 billion of them, they don’t know what else to do? Most if not all of us who read here and comment here know and we are learning more each day. So how can these leaders not know the truth?
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Speaking of amazement … I have been over on YouTube debating with some Mohammedans over Obama’s mosque speech. I quickly came to the conclusion that they know less about their own (so called) religion than we kaffirs and they know absoultely nothing about aggressive Islamic history. Then when you corner them on a point in a debate they resort to swearing at you.
Angemon says
RiseAKnight posted:
“I have been over on YouTube debating with some Mohammedans over Obama’s mosque speech. I quickly came to the conclusion that they know less about their own (so called) religion than we kaffirs and they know absoultely nothing about aggressive Islamic history. Then when you corner them on a point in a debate they resort to swearing at you.”
The conclusion I arrived at when talking with muslims on YT, blogs and RL is that those who really don’t know about the story of their their religion are usually the ones who don’t go aggro – they think that they do know and that I’m wrong and simply stop trying to “correct” me. The rest? They might not know all specific details and minutiae but they get the gist of it – muslims are superior to non-muslims, muhammad did no wrong, and any non-muslim suggesting otherwise needs to be out in his place.
Nimrod says
Hard to say but the Islamic culture is most certainly one of “just try to bullshit your way through everything”. While a few might learn that they can’t bullshit their way through science and technology, or through reality in general, the “bullshit your way through everything” attitude does explain the backwardness and lack of sci-tech development in the Islamic world.
Nimrod says
“What makes Obama think that the Islamic State is looking to him for legitimacy?”
Narcissism and arrogance?
balam says
Because the TERRORIST ISLAMIC STATE knows that OBAMA has the same agenda to destroy the Christian West but from within.
Stephen says
Obama is a Islamic Biggest Liar.
Y do Muslims Lie ?
Y did Koran writer (one writer Only) Lie ?
Y did Allah Lie in the Koran ?
Y did Mohamed Lie ??
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Prez Barack Hussein wouldn’t know a fact if it bit him in the ass. The real question is how he gets away with his mistaken correctitude, and the answer to that is real simple: the media and academia no longer right the ship by checking the facts and correcting mistaken public statements as wrong. All this makes him the best thing that’s ever happened to Moslems; the greatest power in the world, probably the only force that could stop the Global Jihad, is actually working to advance it. The recent deal with Persia is proof of this. Imagine the Gulf replete with nuclear missiles, now an inevitable situation that’s worse than smoking cigarettes at a gas pump. The only planning now is how to deal with a WMD outbreak gracefully, in a way that will deal with such an event that preserves to the extent possible freedom and prosperity. Now that England, France and even Germany have Islamicized, pulling off such a trick in response to a big WMD event is unlikely.
Plutarchus says
THE MURDERING TERRORIST MULLAHS OF ISLAMONAZI IRAN
also say like ISIS that they are “holy warriors who speak for Islam* ” And Obama has not only given them legitimacy with his worthless and dangerous Munich-like nuke deal, but he has lovingly lavished on them 150 billion butt kisses to show his friendship and good will toward them . And what does he have to show for it? Mullah sh*t all over his clueless face.
*The Ayatollah Khomeini once said: “People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors!”
http://www.apollospeaks.com
balam says
Beautiful RESPONSE.The Americans were foolish enough to put this counterfeit/ Muslim into the White House.May God save America during the rest of his days in the WHITE HOUSE.He could prove more lethal than a cobra snake .
Savvy Kafir says
Apparently the BBC World News is also determined to avoid “legitimizing” the Islamic State, which they’re careful to ALWAYS refer to as “the so-called Islamic State”. If ever there was a truly Islamic state, I’d say this one definitely qualifies.
Obama and the BBC are fooling no one but themselves …. and other willfully ignorant types.
Guy Jones says
Well, there you have it. Imam Obozo, the renowned expert on all things Islamic, proclaims jihadists who obtain their marching orders from the Koran’s explicit commands to kill and subjugate non-Muslims, as not representing Islam.
The debate is over.
Sybil Sobieski says
A certain violent middle-eastern totalitarian politico-religious cult: two perspectives:
1) Social psychosis fueled by tribal culture stressed out by struggle with arid, harsh natural environment, now made worse by current climate change, increased droughts, etc. All this inflamed and worsened by globalist corporations and military industrial complex meddling and attempts at manipulating middle eastern societies for access to vital resource – OIL. However, this is NOT the only or main reason for this cult’s extreme violence.
2)Satanic inspired counterfeit created to neutralize and destroy positive cultural developments initiated by Christ Jesus and his followers
Categories of demonic forces – blind materialism, addiction to greed, wealth, social status
controlling humans through sexual addictions and perversions enslaving humans with chronic violence, brutality, oppression
Of course “Christian” societies engaged in killing, atrocities, and sex abuse, mostly in the past, but we still have issues here. However, the BIG difference is – THESE BEHAVIORS VIOLATE CHRISTIAN TEACHINGS. Christian cultures have mostly outgrown such violent temper tantrums and control addictions.
However, this middle-eastern satanic cult religion’s “holy” book and commentaries ENCOURAGE, even COMMAND, such destructive behavior. Demonic forces are here for one reason – to corrupt, cripple and destroy the good God’s magnificent creation, with special focus on humanity.
Mark A says
I’m sure al-Baghdadi and his minions are very worried that Obama considers them illegitimate.
Let’s wait for the inevitable statement that ISIS considers Obama illegitimate.
More Ham Ed says
“I refuse to give them legitimacy.” But he gives them free reign and plenty of space and advance warning before bombing trucks.
For those who are not already aware, there are upwards of 400 million muslims (lowercase be upon them) worldwide who believe in the death penalty for leaving islam. Not a Tiny Minority ™.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
Jer says
ISIS leader Bagdadi is an islamic scholar. He has a Phd as well as other degrees. ISIS is following the Koran to the letter.
Richard says
Marco Rubio is exactly right. Obama knows exactly what he is doing. His actions and inactions are not because he doesnt know what he is doing or inexperience. He is very effective in accomplishing his goals. Only his goals are not the goals of western values and freedoms.
The Fox news analysts and political analysts dont have a clue.
Tani J says
This (url below) is THE most authoritative and detailed article on ISIS yet written,
with real Muslim experts cited and explaining. This needs to be widely
known. It fully explains why they are not quite the same as standard
terrorists – they are a Caliphate – and just HOW dangerous all that is, is
explained by Muslim authorities here – without making excuses like the ones
saying stuff about newer modern Islamic ideas are making.
this is a MUST read – please read it and pass it on to anyone that matters.
It fully explains why and how Islamic State REALLY IS Muslim, legit Muslim –
and why this is so dangerous to not understand this fully.
Read More:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Obama is a traitor who has this heartfelt thing for Islam from when he was a kid in Indonesia and loved their call to prayer song. I can’t believe that the bastard has not been arrested, or heh, done in by some general or something. I just wonder why the Islamic State has NOT put a fatwa on Obama for making the public claims against their being real Muslims. According to the Koran, he could be put to death for saying that. So why is there no fatwa against him?