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Raymond Ibrahim: Christian Bible More ‘Bloodthirsty’ than Quran, Claims ‘Scientific’ Study

Feb 15, 2016 9:59 am By Raymond Ibrahim

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A new data-based study published on Yahoo News, Huffington Post, and many other media, purports to have proven that the Bible—including the New Testament—is more violent than the Quran.

From Tom McKay’s article about the study: “Fifty-eight percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Islam” thanks to a “laundry list of misinformation about the faith’s holy text, the Quran.” He continues:

But a recent project by data analyst and research marketer Tom Anderson turns one common misconception on its head: that the Quran is more consumed by blood thirst than the Christian Bible.…  Of the three books [Old Testament, New Testament, Quran], the project found, the Old Testament is the most violent, with approximately 5.3% of the text referring to “destruction and killing” — the Quran clocked in at just 2.1%, with the New Testament slightly higher at 2.8%…. According to Anderson, the findings challenge the popular notion among Westerners that Muslims subscribe to a particularly violent faith. Indeed, he concluded, “of the three texts, the content in the Old Testament appears to be the most violent.”

So this study proves what Islam’s apologists have long claimed: that the Bible contains more violence and bloodshed than the Quran. Even so, the intelligence and/or sincerity of anyone—including supposed scholars and “thinkers”—who cites this fact as proof that the Quran cannot incite more violence than the Bible must be highly doubted.

For starters, this argument fundamentally ignores the contexts of all three scriptures.  Comparing violence in the Bible—old or new testaments—with violence in the Quran conflates history with doctrine. The majority of violence in the Bible is recorded as history; a description of events.  Conversely, the overwhelming majority of violence in the Quran is doctrinally significant.  In other words, the Bible has about as much capacity to incite its readers to violence as a history textbook.   On the other hand, the Quran uses open ended language to call on believers to commit acts of violence against non-Muslims.  (See “Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam?” for my most comprehensive and documented treatment of this tiresome apologia.)

This study also fails to consider who is behind the violence.  It just appears to count the number of times words like “kill” appear. Due to this, New Testament descriptions of Christians—including Christ—being persecuted and killed are supposedly equal at inciting Christians to violence as Allah’s commandments for Muslims to “slay the idolaters wherever you find them—seize them, besiege them, and make ready to ambush them!” (Quran 9:5).  This study sees no difference between the martyrdom of Stephen (Acts 7-8) and Allah’s words: “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip” (Quran 8:12).

Even the claim behind this study—that “Fifty-eight percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Islam” apparently because of “misinformation about the faith’s holy text, the Quran”—is a strawman argument… Keep reading

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  1. John Galt III says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 10:26 am

    Huffington Post – stopped reading right there – about as reliable as the USSR’s Pravda or Nazi Germany’s Volkischer Beobachter.

    • mortimer says

      Feb 15, 2016 at 1:04 pm

      Bill Warner, PhD writes: “It is time for so-called intellectuals to get down to the basics of judging Islam by its actual doctrine, not making lame analogies that are sophomoric assertions. Fact-based reasoning should replace fantasies that are based upon political correctness and multiculturalism.”

      • Jeff says

        Feb 15, 2016 at 5:11 pm

        I’m very fond of Dr. Bill Warner, it is truly refreshing to listen to and hear someone who speaks softly, speak truthfuly and to the point that only the most obtuse of individuals could argue or disagree with. As far as this so called “study” is concerned, it is just another half hearted attempt by a group of liberals who know very little about what it means to be human. Prayers for the persecuted, prayers for the life and salvation of this world.
        God bless everyone ~

        • Shane says

          Feb 16, 2016 at 10:50 am

          I am a fan of Bill Warner’s videos too. The study was another attempt by the traitorous left to whitewash the religion of jihad. Liberals despise Christianity and attempt to prop up our main enemy, Islam. I highly recommend these two Warner videos!

          Why We Are Afraid, A 1,400 Year Secret http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
          The Crusades: A Defensive Response to Islamic Aggression: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2OyapO4TNo&list=PL0190DA95A29367A7

      • t. says

        Feb 15, 2016 at 11:12 pm

        Thanks mortimer for sharing with us this rare refreshing comment by Bill Warner about a basic truth.

        • t. says

          Feb 15, 2016 at 11:24 pm

          Raymond Ibrahim’s argument and explanation are solid as usual, in this article.

          Meanwhile I many times wonder if any of those willfully blind stupids, filling the ranks of mainstream media, academia and other places of authority and decision making, are reading these all important regarding-Islam articles, such as this one!

    • Mark Swan says

      Feb 15, 2016 at 9:35 pm

      Yep

  2. John spielman says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 10:32 am

    there is NOT ONE passage in the NEW TESTAMENT that allows violence against anyone!( Luke 19 is a parable about the return of Jesus Christ when He will a destroy all evil and evil doers Himself by the glory of His presence). in fact St Paul states that we battle NOT against flesh and blood but against the demonic spirits BEHIND the world’s present rulers

    • Jay Boo says

      Feb 15, 2016 at 1:12 pm

      The Muz maniacs are drawn to MO’s Islamic violence just like flies that swarm around a freshly laid pile of Islam.

      When Muslims get red in the face at perceived or (contrived grievances) about being insulted, it is not the insult that infuriates them, rather it is the EXTREME INSECURITY over their evil buffoon Muhammad’s dubious claim being prophet and messenger to his personal sock-puppet, Allah.

  3. Angemon says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 10:42 am

    From Tom McKay’s article about the study: “Fifty-eight percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Islam” thanks to a “laundry list of misinformation about the faith’s holy text, the Quran.”

    A “laundry list of misinformation” that originates in islamic clerics all around the world.

    • mortimer says

      Feb 15, 2016 at 12:12 pm

      Has Tom McKay read the Koran, Sira, hadiths, commentaries and Sharia law? No?

      Then how can he determine ‘misinformation’? He is guessing. Guessing is misinformation.

  4. copakeman says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 11:08 am

    Did anyone ask the perhaps thousands of people in the mid-east, north and east Africa who have been beheaded, burned alive, torcher to death, if they agree that islam is a peaceful religion ? Oh, sorry, I forgot, they are all dead, killed by islamist.

  5. Phil says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 11:33 am

    Shucks, yup, it’s reel sign-tiffik alright!!
    Seriously putting the label “scientific” on a flawed and idiotically biased piece of Multicultural propaganda is idiotic. Post-modernism is scarcely scientific in any sense of the word. I might gently point out that tallying up word counts would be bound to come up with such a fatuous claim – the Bible is very much larger than the Qur’an. And how anyone could interpret the New testament as violent is beyond me. How can Matthew 5:38-42 or the Sermon on the Mount be considered violent, yet Surah 2:191-193 be considered peaceful? Just what, exactly, is “peaceful” about “…and slay them [the unbelievers] wherever ye find them”? As for the Hadith – has this witless clown actually read al-Bukhari? Or the utterly appalling Sirat Rasul Allah?

  6. mortimer says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    What’s the conclusion of Tom Anderson and Tom McKay? That Christianity is very dangerous and that Leftists have nothing to fear from Islam!

    How do they know that? From reading the Koran, Sira, hadiths, canonical commentaries and Sharia law? NO! Of course, not! That would be too much WORK and TIME-CONSUMING! Busy important Leftists don’t have time to study…they make snap judgments based on intuition and hunches…commonly known as ‘bull****’.

    How can Tom Anderson and Tom McKay be experts on Islam without reading Islam’s foundational texts. They obviously can’t be, even if they are Leftists.

    They are presumptuously and preposterously presenting themselves as authorities, when in fact they are merely pseudo-intellectuals.

  7. mortimer says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    The Koran is filled with euphemisms for violent actions such as warfare (to ‘struggle’) and rape (‘those women of the right hand’ or ‘molested’ in K.33.59).

    He doesn’t know Islamic doctrines, so Tom Anderson is looking for the wrong clues. Islam’s reality is criminally hidden by a series of veils. The Koran is a clever manipulation.

    The word ‘Islam’ itself means ‘submission’ or ‘pacification’ which is a euphemism for ‘slavery’. No one is as ‘submitted’ as a slave. Islam is a euphemism for ‘slavery’. Slavery is the essence and the reward of Islam, but Tom Anderson cannot get insights like this without first studying Islam.

    As for the worth of his study: wrong criteria…garbage in: garbage out.

    • mortimer says

      Feb 15, 2016 at 12:10 pm

      Tom Anderson reminds me of the ‘Fellow Travellers’ … Leftists who visited Stalin’s USSR in order to ooh and aah about it. Stalin did not show the ‘Fellow Travellers’ the Gulag archipelago, so simply and naively assumed the Gulag did not exist.

      Tom Anderson’s approach is likewise ‘simple’ and ‘naive’.

      Facile.

  8. Ralph Statum says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    The Only Reason “GOD” Destroyed People In The Old Testament Was Their Worship Of A False God; Just Like He Will Destroy The Muslim Population For Worshiping A False God(Satan)

  9. Francis Merde says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    Someone needs to inform these “scholars” that plugging in keywords to a text search tool, and collecting a few metrics does not say very much about anything. This is philosophy, not maths.

  10. william franks says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 12:50 pm

    Isn’t this line of comparison really irrelevant?
    Despite the obvious barbarism in the Old Testament and dangerous eschatology of the New Testament it is still relatively effortless for Jews and Christians to divorce religion and politics from secular probity. As the lead authority of Islam one has to ask “why are Islamic authorities such as Al Azhar refusing to declare Islamic State guilty of heresy. If the Sheik of Al Azhar refuses to declare Islamic State guilty of heresy then why would anyone else?

    • Mo says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 1:47 am

      @ william franks

      “Despite the obvious barbarism in the Old Testament and dangerous eschatology of the New Testament ”

      LOL! What barbarism is that? And what dangerous eschatology?

      (Nice try at equating the Quran with the Bible, while pretending you’re doing the opposite. Don’t think we didn’t notice.)

      • william franks says

        Feb 16, 2016 at 9:48 am

        +?

        • Mo says

          Feb 16, 2016 at 10:54 am

          @ william franks

          “+?”

          So, you have no response, eh? Just symbols? Go play your games elsewhere.

        • william franks says

          Feb 16, 2016 at 11:18 am

          +Of course there is no comment due to someone who hides under the cover of “we”. A free discussion was what was anticipated.

        • underbed cat says

          Feb 17, 2016 at 2:11 pm

          Interesting response, Lower case is = /, maybe that is a different message. So apparently lower case frank, does not like the facts as they are exposed. Clever

  11. mortimer says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html&date=2011-12-20

    So the Bible has more than twice as many cruel or violent passages as does the Quran. But the Bible is a much bigger book. How do they compare when size is taken into account?

    Bible

    Percent cruel.jpg

    Violence and Cruelty 1214
    Total verses 31173
    Percent 3.89

    Quran

    Violence and Cruelty 527
    Total verses 6236
    Percent 8.45

  12. mortimer says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    Proportion of Islamic Trilogy Devoted to Jihad

    The Koran is the smallest of the three books in the Islamic Trilogy. It is only 16% of the Trilogy text. This means that the Sunna is 84% of the word content of Islam’s sacred texts. This statistic alone has large implications. Most of the Islamic doctrine is about Mohammed, not Allah. The Koran says 91 different times that Mohammed is the perfect pattern of life. It is much more important to know Mohammed than the Koran. This is very good news. It is easy to understand a biography about a man. To know Islam, know Mohammed.
    It is very significant that the Sira devotes 67% of its text to jihad. Mohammed averaged an event of violence every 6 weeks for the last 9 years of his life. Jihad was what made Mohammed successful. Here is a chart of the growth of Islam.

    Basically, when Mohammed was a preacher of religion, Islam grew at the rate of 10 new Muslims per year. But when he turned to jihad, Islam grew at an average rate of 10,000 per year. All of the details of how to wage jihad are recorded in great detail. The Koran gives the great vision of jihad—world conquest by the political process. The Sira is a strategic manual and the Hadith is a tactical manual of jihad.

    Now let’s go to the Hebrew Bible. When we count all of the political violence, we find that 5.6% of the text is devoted to it. There is no admonition towards political violence in the New Testament.

    When we count the magnitude of words devoted to political violence, we have 327,547 words in the Trilogy and 34,039 words in the Hebrew Bible . The Trilogy has 9.6 times as much wordage devoted to political violence as the Hebrew Bible.

    The real problem goes far beyond the quantitative measurement of ten times as much violent material; there is the qualitative measurement. The political violence of the Koran is eternal and universal. The political violence of the Bible was for that particular historical time and place. This is the vast difference between Islam and other ideologies. The violence remains a constant threat to all non-Islamic cultures, now and into the future.

    https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Scripture

  13. MKG says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    Great story Mr. Spencer.
    That is why I do not trust the poles, percentages or statistics. The data is usually incomplete or manipulated to prove a point rather than enlighten folks. They often leave me with more questions than answers.

    I once asked for clarification about the accuracy of some statitics to a gentleman who had access to sensitive information. He said, “That’s classified. You know I can’t answer that, but I will tell you this, trust what your eyes see and trust your instincts.”

  14. Kepha says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 4:21 pm

    This “study” shows how utterly credulous the “enlightened” and “scientific” mnd can be. All you have to do is quote a statistic, no matter how dubious, or say, “Science sez”, and you have people by the nose.

    It’s clear that Anderson simply counted, but did not read. And even in his own realm of bean-counting, Anderson failed to note that the Old and New Testaments are more than ten times the size of the Qur’an. with more than 780,000 words to the Bible and about 70,000 for the Qur’an.

  15. Islam :- the hateful religion of idiots says

    Feb 15, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    For God sake, it doesn’t matter who hit who or who cut someones head off,,
    that was the 7th century ,,
    intelligent people have moved on from there,
    intelligent people don’t behave like this, let alone wringing it out in some stupid justification …

    Get over it and move on, love the free world and everything free people stand for …………

  16. Max Payne says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 5:31 am

    That so called study which claims that the Holy Bible is more violent than the quran is a bloody gimmick by some Islamic supremacists,how can a holy book that tells us to love our neighbors ;including even Islamic supremacists who want us dead ,suddenly become a violent scripture,l will never ever accept this piece of garbage from any quarter;the Christian world should never lose their guard like Sampson did Delilah,let’s not ever allow these murderers get the better of us ,only to realize but too late how stupid we have been.
    Let them continue spawning their nonsensical and whimsical garbage for those idiots who want to swallow it up,go ahead and do so with gusto;they will be sorry that they ever did so,when their souls are anchored up in hell and can no longer escape to salvation.
    What l know is that they have l have Salvation through JESUS my LORD and SAVIOUR and that is what matters

  17. dragaozao says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 7:40 am

    Let’s imagine for a while that “yes, the HOLY Bible is more violent than the Kuran”. So what? Muslims and not Christians are killing in the name of their faith. Maybe a real study would explain why, but that requires some knowledge of History and some religious literacy. Areas where the left talks a lot but knows NOTHING.

  18. Jack HOLAN says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 10:02 am

    Raymond thank for bringing forth many ideas. I previously wrote why I believe this ‘Study’ is amateurish and flawed technically and substantively. I will make the point that in Judaism the Tenach is subject to Rabbinical interpretation the Talmud it is not Literal. I believe that Second Testament for Christians is not a literal document but subject to centuries of review and interpretation. As far as I can I can determine the Quran is accepted as a pretty straight forward literal document for the masses to consume. Please comment

  19. Loring Loding says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 2:54 pm

    This is one of the most ridiculous studies I have ever heard of. Maybe one could just open their eyes and look around to see which religion is responsible for most terrorism (by far). So based on the logic of this study, If a town had 10,000 inhabitants and 75% of them have gas clothes dryers, 15% had electric dryers and 10% had none. If 20 people in the town contracted cancer. 15 of them had gas dryers and only 5 of them had electric dryers. To these people it’s obvious! Gas dryers cause cancer!
    Maybe these folks should look into the meanings and not just the numbers.

    • william franks says

      Feb 16, 2016 at 5:56 pm

      Thank you for your post. Yes you get to the heart of Huffington’s mistaken notion of journalism. However, isn’t this just the common delusional bubble of current progressive thinking regarding Muslim extremism. Euphemistic screeds characterizing violent extremism stemming from socioeconomic & political grievances rather than factual accounts of events being generated by a millenarian religiously based political legacy has become the norm for western “journalism”. Huffington is just another example of acceptable progressive reporting.
      Let’s unfortunately expect more of this kind of journalism until the reality hits home of the irreconcilable nature of all Islamists can we expect any real reporting.

  20. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Feb 16, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    So, if I write “THOU SHALT NOT KILL!” fifty times, and you only write “KILL THEM ALL!” once, then I’ve used the word “kill” fifty times more than you did – then I guess to these willfully self-blinded libtarded types of “scholars” and pundits, my writing would be deemed to be fifty times more violent than yours.

    Criminally-negligent MORONS, willing accessories both before and after the fact, and enablers of the islamic crime-gang like these should be arrested for attempted public deception, fraud, treason to rationality and civilization, and basic sedition.

    What pointless adversarial, feeble and generally worthless lives they must lead, to waste them trying to attack us with this same idiocy day after day, by trying to convince us that suicidal masochism should be our highest virtue, and that offending criminals, in hurting their feelings with the often-painful truth that they are only criminals, by accusing them of their crimes, should in fact be the only real crime.

  21. Aussie Infidel says

    Feb 17, 2016 at 12:34 am

    So Tom Anderson concludes there is less violence in the Quran, than the OT or NT? What utter rubbish! Who does this clown think he is fooling? As a variation on an old theme, ‘There are lies, damned lies, and as it seems – statistical analyses of holy texts’. People who do their investigation by looking for evidence only in articles and books, often overlook the hard cold empirical evidence in the real world. Who does Anderson think committed the 28,800 or so deadly attacks against non-Muslims since ‘9/11’? The Christians? The Jews? The Atheists? Has he even looked at The Religion of Peace website? I have watched those figures climb continually for fifteen years. What does he suppose provided the motivation for these atrocities? Western foreign policy (stupid though it has been)? Or maybe it also has something to do with the fundamental tenets of their faith?
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Take a good look at the picture of the ‘soldiers of Allah’ at the beginning of this article. Are they just a group of pious true believers reading from the Holy Quran, and struggling through their ‘greater jihad’ to maintain their faith? Or the faces of enraged fanatics after Friday prayers? Are these the sort of people you would like to have as neighbors? Any Western community stupid enough to take them in, would be laying the foundations for its own destruction. Islam breeds more fanatics than any other religion, because it preaches violence against unbelievers. That’s just the sort of thing that appeals to the psychopathic jihadis who have been programmed through religious indoctrination to kill infidels.

    “Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people.” (Quran 9:14).

    “And remove the fury in the believers’ hearts. And Allah turns in forgiveness to whom He wills; and Allah is Knowing and Wise.” (Quran 9:15).

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