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France drops plan to strip jihadis of their passports

Mar 31, 2016 10:35 am By Robert Spencer

The problem with dropping this plan is that Muslims who join the Islamic State or some other jihad group are demonstrating not only that they do not value the French passport, but that they hate France and want to destroy it. Their French passport is for them a tool aiding them in their efforts to do that. It isn’t anything else for them. The idea that these poor folks will be rendered stateless if they lose their French passports fails to take into account that they are enemy combatants who despise the very concept of nationality. They belong only to the global umma, and will use any tools the fools in the West hand them in order to destroy those fools in the West.

Francois Hollande

“Francois Hollande drops plan to strip jihadists of their French passports,” by James Rothwell, Telegraph, March 30, 2016:

Francois Hollande, the French president, has bowed to pressure from his own left-wing government to drop a controversial law which would see convicted jihadists stripped of their French nationality.

The proposals, which would have been enshrined in France’s constitution, had been fiercely criticised by Socialist MPs and the centre-right opposition, who accused Mr Hollande of besmirching the principles of the republic.

The row had led to the resignation of Christiane Taubira, one of the most popular and controversial ministers in the French premier’s cabinet, who later tweeted: “Sometimes to resist is to stay. Sometimes to resist is to leave”.

Mr Hollande had raised the ideas in the wake of the November 13 Paris attacks which killed 130 people and injured many more.

He was initially accused of trampling on human rights for the sake of appearing tough on terrorism, as rendering people stateless is illegal under French law.

The president later clarified his plans, admitting that only convicted terrorists of dual nationality would be stripped of French citizenship under the plans.

Mr Hollande has now abandoned the idea after meeting with the heads of the Assemblée National and the Sénat….

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  1. Richie says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 10:44 am

    It is as if Europeans have lost the will to live. At this rate, the entirety of Europe will fall like Constantinople within the next 100 years

    • Lookmann says

      Mar 31, 2016 at 11:07 am

      Europe will fall like Constantinople within the next 100 years………………

      That is too optimistic. The birth rates of original Europeans are falling below replacement levels as per several reports. More Mohammads are born in Cities across Europe than any other name.

      J W Reader Mortimer once wrote :- ”We dont make babies anymore ”

    • Mike says

      Mar 31, 2016 at 2:08 pm

      Make it 20 or so for Belgistan, Swedenistan and possibly also Francistan and Germanstan.

      Some others will fall in 20-40 years.

      Eastern Europe will probably fight back, likely having to pick the Russian “poison” as better than the Islamic one and seeking help from that direction. Russians will never give in alive.

      In 100-200 years, social strife and starvation will have probably reduced the population of today’s Western Europe enough that some semblance of civilisation will start spreading to there again… from the east. A scary thought.

      • Mike says

        Mar 31, 2016 at 2:15 pm

        I don’t know how that video ended up in there, but I didn’t do it on purpose.

      • Spot On says

        Mar 31, 2016 at 3:09 pm

        You mean that civilization will be gone forever in Western Europe.

  2. Zeke Zick says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 10:55 am

    I can’t determine which people are more insane, The American Left, the French Left, or members of The Religion of Piece (Peace).

    • john spielman says

      Mar 31, 2016 at 11:36 am

      the American and French left ARE INSANE buT the members of the ROP are EVIL!!!

      • mortimer says

        Mar 31, 2016 at 1:13 pm

        Most people of all stripes are too cowardly to speak out against injustice if it is not fashionable.

        • Mark Swan says

          Mar 31, 2016 at 4:14 pm

          Exactly mortimer

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Mar 31, 2016 at 1:22 pm

        And this will be further proof that the stupid don’t inherit the earth. However, the ruthless can.

    • Bamaguje says

      Mar 31, 2016 at 12:54 pm

      “…rendering people stateless is illegal under French law” – French Left.

      Jihadis are not stateless, they are ISIS citizens.

  3. Linde Barrera says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 10:56 am

    President Hollande and his government need to smarten up, and a lot. I did some reading and learned that Antarctica is the 5th largest continent with respect to land mass. France has 2 research bases on Antarctica. The French terrorists who should be rendered stateless but are not (thanks to the wussies of the French government) could be transported to Antarctica under heavy guard, reside in special heavy duty weather proof cabins, and be made to grow their own food in special greenhouses. Or they could just be shot by a firing squad in France for their crimes. Amazing to me how the French government goes out of their way to protect these vicious, barbaric savages. Vive la France, but not the French government.

    • Panmelia says

      Mar 31, 2016 at 11:32 am

      Hollande MUST be hoyed out at the next election. So must Merkel.
      Here in the UK, the idea of stripping islamists and jihadists of their citizenship hasn’t even been debated even though a majority want it to happen. It would cause a big row, and so weak-kneed and spineless are our politicians that they would soon cave like the French PM.

      The UK needs to get out of the EU before it brings us to our knees, then we can elect a government that will actually do what the majority want – it’s called democracy.

      • mortimer says

        Mar 31, 2016 at 1:10 pm

        Heave! Hoy!

    • Ex-muslim says

      Mar 31, 2016 at 12:35 pm

      The French and the EU are cowards!

      • mortimer says

        Mar 31, 2016 at 1:08 pm

        Some French and some Europeans are too theoretical to be of any practical use. The Leftists are determined to destroy Western civilization.

    • bridgette says

      Mar 31, 2016 at 4:07 pm

      Trudeau did the same thing. He said “a Canadian is a Canadian” and “we’re not at war with isis”. I almost broke a blood vessel.

      • robert says

        Apr 1, 2016 at 3:04 pm

        Trudeau and his cronies will soon learn of their boneheaded mistake of letting more muzzies into our country. it will not take long for the ” chickens to come home to roost” and we will be faced with bombings and welfare bums from other countries, we should help our own people first.

  4. Walter Sieruk says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 11:07 am

    To drop that plan about the passports is sheer folly. For example, in the book entitled THE ISIS CRISES by Charles Dyer. on page 116 exposes that in an ISIS audio recording this vicious jihad entity declared “If you kill a disbelieving American or European – especially the spiteful and filthy French…kill in in any manner or way however it may be.” So to abandon the wise passport plan is even worse then folly is foolishness too the extreme.

  5. Keys says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 11:18 am

    I don’t understand this insanity by European leaders.

    Would not a good father or mother do everything he/she could to keep his/her family safe? Would a father or mother allow a child molester/murderer/thief to come in to his/her home and be around the children?

    Would a good shepherd allow any wolves, especially those wolves already guilty of harming the sheep, to roam among the flock?

    The spirits of those courageous men lying near the Norman beaches, remembered with honored, bright white crosses and stars (no crescent moons) are stirring in restless indignation. There will not be another Normandy for French fools.

  6. SoCalMike says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 11:42 am

    Words can not describe the depth of loathing I have for Hollande and Merkel and the rest of the European traitors and sell outs.
    Same for Obama and Kerry and the Repubes to cowed to fight back against their treason.

    Our government, schools and media have been captured by enemies and traitors.
    No one has the courage or guts to call them out on it.

  7. Richard Paulsen says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 11:45 am

    Maybe he and those behind the support for this decision are afraid of being called jihadists themselves and loosing their passports as well, if jihadists are being stripped of theirs?
    If being accused of being responsible for the murderous rampages in Paris and Brussels lately and thus being regarded as jihadists themselves.
    Consequently risking being stripped of their passports like the jihadists and real culprits if they will loose theirs.
    Jihadist as jihadist.

  8. Angemon says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 12:12 pm

    Francois Hollande drops plan to strip jihadists of their French passports

    Because heavens forbid the government actually does something right…

  9. Mirren10 says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 12:15 pm

    ”Francois Hollande, the French president, has bowed to pressure from his own left-wing government to drop a controversial law which would see convicted jihadists stripped of their French nationality.”

    And *that* is why the socialists, and their enablers, are more dangerous to us than the jihadis.

  10. Jay Boo says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 12:27 pm

    Muslims commit murder in Paris and Brussels.

    The Obama pandering response is even worse.

    Obama (Yes, Muslims killed innocents — But — This is precisely why we need to open our borders and invite Muslims in)
    ????? SUREAL

    • Mark Swan says

      Mar 31, 2016 at 4:47 pm

      Jay Boo…Since I read that list of quotes You posted; He will never say anything
      that does not seem creepy to Me…the Republican candidates could use a copy.

  11. Ren says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    To bad. No anti-jihad laws. France asked for it. There will be more acts of terrorism.

  12. pdxnag says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    If you cannot distinguish between the militant Jihadi and the so-called moderate then it becomes an all or nothing proposition. They are perhaps not yet ready to choose self-defense by way of expelling all the Islamic poison.

  13. mortimer says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 12:59 pm

    Bring back Devil’s Island. Any Muslim terrorist on Devil’s Island will leave either feet first or receive an invitation from a Muslim country.

    Islamic terror will continue until Western intelligence service realize that Muslims need to be deprogrammed right out of Islam.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 31, 2016 at 1:05 pm

      Western intelligence services need to become involved in online counterjihad and de-Islamization. In that way, they can prevent and then destroy jihadism IDEOLOGICALLY.

      Deprogramming Muslims out of Islam is CHEAPER and less deadly than fighting the real thing!

      Islam CAN BE DEFEATED ideologically because Islam is unhistorical, unethical, and philosophically incoherent.

      • Mark Swan says

        Mar 31, 2016 at 5:09 pm

        Short of a prefrontal lobe lobotomy how do you de-program them.

  14. underbed cat says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    Yes I agree Keys,a good shepherd would never allow wolves to roam around the sheep. But in Europe the wolves are obviously winning. They had a plan which was ingenious, all they had to do was convince the shepherd they were non aggressive, and separate away from the sheep in a huddle and multiply. They never snarled, acted aggressive, showed their teeth, rolled out a rug and slept five times a day, started a Council on Shepard Wolves Relations to help the shepherd understand they were peaceful and not going to hurt his sheep, in fact they signed a treaty. The cell phones of the wolves,lite up, the plan is working. So the shepherd let in a few more wolves, added lambs to his herd, the wolves continue they didn’t snarl or show their teeth, a couple of nervous goats…all is well. Time passed the Shepard started to be concerned at the number of wolves, and missing sheep…and goats, the Elder gray haired Shepherd called Lefty said we have principals to follow….and another shepherd said it would be hateful to boot the wolves out and they should not discuss this again. The wolves have rights. They were very smart wolves and the Shepherd lost to the Wolves because they deceived him and the other Shepherds….very clever…very dangerous.

    • Keys says

      Mar 31, 2016 at 2:47 pm

      Tragic!
      Well done expansion of the parable, ub cat. Some of the wolves aren’t even wearing sheep’s clothing!

  15. Guy Jones says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 1:06 pm

    A Winston Churchill-type figure has never been more needed in European history than at present.

    What can one say? Europe’s sense of self-preservation has been totally and thoroughly eviscerated. When the State won’t even take the most cursory, common sense steps to protect its borders and its citizens from jihadists, the political elites have made a conscious decision that appeasing the Deities of Multiculturalism is more important than protecting innocent lives.

    I will avoid traveling to Europe, entirely, at this point. I will spend my tourism dollars elsewhere, in a country that takes the threat of terrorism seriously.

    • Panmelia says

      Mar 31, 2016 at 1:36 pm

      I don’t blame you for not wanting to visit Europe. Neither do I, but it’s only the English Channel that separates the UK from the Continent and we were daft enough to go and build the Channel Tunnel under the sea!

      So far, we haven’t had any blowing-up atrocities since 7/7/05, but the anti-terrorist forces have foiled scores of plans and attempts. How long can a goalkeeper keep knocking the ball away from the net?

      Donald Trump was right when he advised Americans not to go to places where the the terrorist threat is permanently at ‘Severe’ level. If our economies suffer, the politicians are to blame, especially the EU.

      • Guy Jones says

        Mar 31, 2016 at 2:18 pm

        Your goalkeeper analogy is on point. But, it’s also about the message being sent to jihadists. When France pulls a feckless stunt such as this, it demonstrates utter capitulation and weakness to the jihadis, specifically, that the kafir will willingly be led to the slaughter, like a lamb.

  16. Zeke Zick says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    Maybe not to politically correct to say, but I believe it is time to “Gun Up” against the Religion of Pieces. Our survival group all have Crusader Cross decals on our weapons.

  17. underbed cat says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 2:42 pm

    Fake visas, fake passports bring in fake refugees to be fake citizens who do not see France as a place to live but to “fundamentally change” into the ummah….with the blessing of the world wide organization called the Organization of Islamic Conference or Cooperation…..to spread Islam and implement sharia law. So it is time to learn…but just don’t ask the OIC, or your local mosque to explain…they are forbidden.

  18. Thomas Hulting says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    On a related issue, I have been very interested in opening a retail gun store, and I have been told that the BEST place to buy used guns is France; for the most part, they have NEVER been fired, AND they have only been dropped once!

  19. Mark A says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 4:20 pm

    Yet another example of cowardice by French leaders….

  20. Sam says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 5:28 pm

    Francois Hollande, the French president, has bowed to pressure from his own left-wing government to drop a controversial law which would see convicted jihadists stripped of their French nationality.

    Well Europe then deserves Islam and they are getting it. So what is the problem here?

  21. abad says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    Europe NEEDS to stop allowing Muslims into their borders.

    Now ISL has threatened to assassinate Merkel (for her stupid behaviour in allowing Muslims into Germany) as well as Germans:

    http://nypost.com/2016/03/31/isis-wants-to-kill-a-bunch-of-germans/

    Round up every Muslim in the western world and deport their Allahu Akhbar screeching butts back to Saudi Arabia

  22. Mockingjay says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    Don’t blame Hollande. He really wanted this law change. But that’s just the thing with democracy…
    One thing I’m pretty sure about though. We will have a lot of “Europeans” killing other Europeans in the coming years.

    • Keys says

      Mar 31, 2016 at 9:21 pm

      @Mockingjay “We will have a lot of “Europeans” killing other Europeans in the coming years.”

      I fear, as things are now, that you are fortelling the future. The chaos of this will be that Europeans will be at war with the “ruling class” Europeans and their witless idealogue supporters, as well as the faux “Europeans”. Whoever controls the military wins.

      The hope is that, as in Egypt, an el Sisi will emerge to dispatch the Islamists and their duped European supporters. I hope we are wrong about civil war, because it will not be as simple as North/ South; and horrific terror and revenge will be enacted upon many, including the innocent and the loved ones of the fighters, just as in previous Islamic conquests/wars. No Geneva conventions in a battle for survival.

  23. Laurence says

    Mar 31, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    “Francois Hollande drops plan to strip jihadists of their French passports,”

    Perhaps he was speaking with Justin Trudeau, who repealed that law almost as soon as he became Prime Minister; after all, he thinks terrorists should have the same rights as any other citizen. . .

  24. Matthieu Baudin says

    Apr 1, 2016 at 12:14 am

    It’s just all too hard for our current crop of prominent Western European political leaders.
    Not to worry; someone will work something out somehow, sometime.

  25. gordon miller says

    Apr 1, 2016 at 8:18 am

    Way to go France! That’s showing the old fighting spirit we’re used to with you people!

  26. Len Vaness says

    Apr 1, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    Too bad Francois…you had it right the first time!

  27. FredvanH says

    Apr 1, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    Um…from everything I’ve seen and heard it doesn’t exactly transpire that Taubira was POPULAR. Quite the contrary. She was hated.

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