The National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM) used to be known as the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-CAN). It is suing former Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper for saying it had links to Hamas. The problem with the suit, however, is that it does. According to the Terrorism and Security Experts of Canada (TSEC Network), “the NCCM/CAIR CAN lawsuit against the Prime Minister of Canada and his spokesperson appears to be a case of law fare, not libel. Everyone connected to launching the lawsuit on the day it was first filed was ‘one degree of separation’ from HAMAS, the terrorist entity which is at the heart of the lawsuit or the Muslim Brotherhood, which is the parent organization of HAMAS. The lawsuit will likely never see the inside of a courtroom due to the overwhelming evidence against NCCM/CAIR CAN and HAMAS.” TSEC Network sets out all the evidence here.
So the Toronto Star is now taking orders from a group with links to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, and fostering ignorance and complacency in its readers by obscuring the true nature and agenda of the Islamic State.
More on this story. “Muslim lobby behind Toronto Star’s decision to stop calling ISIS an ‘Islamic’ entity,” by Jonathan D. Halevi, CIJ News, March 5, 2016:
The National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM), formerly known as the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-CAN), played a role behind the scenes in encouraging the Toronto Star to start using the term “Daesh” instead of the “Islamic State”, a.k.a the Caliphate, IS, ISIS and ISIL.
Daesh (داعش) is the Arabic acronym of the al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham (the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant), the original name of a group which split off from Qaeda. Later in 2014 its name was changed to the Islamic State or the Caliphate.
The Toronto Star favored the old long name to be used in the news reports of the paper effective of March 3, 2016.
Michael Cooke, Toronto Star’s editor-in-chief, described the Islamic State/ Caliphate/ Daesh as “multinational gang of killers and rapists” who “have no legitimacy as a state” explaining that the “name change helps emphasize that.”
Olivia Ward, Toronto Star’s Foreign Affairs Reporter, elaborated on the new policy: “That’s because the criminal gang that has murdered, raped and pillaged its way across the Middle East, while sending sycophants to slaughter civilians abroad, is neither Islamic nor an internationally recognized state.”
The Star’s position which denies any connection between the Islamic State to Islam goes in line with the official policy of the Liberal government.
“The Toronto Star has shown tremendous leadership in being the first major Canadian media organization to take such a definitive stand about how it refers to the terrorist group,” said Amira Elghawaby, NCCM’s Communications Director. “We call on other media outlets and independent journalists to consider adopting the term Daesh as well. This may lead the way for parliamentarians to do the same.”
On February 23, 2016, Toronto Star posted Elghawaby’s op-ed article entitled “Want to hurt the Islamic State? Call it something else.” The subtitle read: “How politicians and media refer to the terrorist group may actually help in countering its destructive narratives.”
Arguing that the Islamic State does not represent Islam, Elghawaby said that referring to the Islamic State (ISIS) as an “Islamic” entity emboldens ISIS’ objective to drive a wedge between Western societies and Muslims. She also suggested that there is a correlation between the language use to describe the Islamic State and the increasing number of reports of anti-Muslim attacks and comments….
NCCM revealed that the NCCM’s Stronger Together Chair Mohammed Hashim also met with the Toronto Star’s publisher John Cruickshank to encourage the change….

zulu says
OT
‘Reformed’ UK jihadi arrested over ‘£1.2million eBay fraud to raise cash for terror’: Former extremist accused of conning thousands of iPad customers
– Hassan Butt, 35, arrested after anti-terror police raid his Manchester home
– He is accused of taking money for iPads/iPhones and not delivering goods
– Former extremist Butt previously advised Labour on fighting extremism
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3478494/Reformed-UK-jihadi-arrested-1-2million-eBay-fraud-raise-cash-terror-Former-extremist-accused-conning-thousands-iPad-customers.html#ixzz4264sqbDM
mortimer says
Hassan Butt is an example of taqiyya…what NCCM (formerly CAIR-CAN) is now doing. Changing names does not change the reality.
DAESH is the Arabic acronym of ISIS. So what?
Islam itself is a euphemism for ‘slavery’. Islam (submission) would be just as cruel and irrational if they called it ‘Freedom’.
NCCM is still affiliated with Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood through people in it with dual memberships and through the founders who were in those organization, many of whom were charged with terrorism-related crimes.
NCCM is a still a front for Hamas and MB…two theocratic fascist groups…Arab versions of the Nazi party.
CeltictotheBone says
Mort has the best of intentions (I think), but I suspect his background is academic. He is full of theory but lacking practical experience on the ground a la Louis Lionheart.
Mortimer, dude. We are in a war with islam and have been for 1400 years, at their behest. The purpose of warfare is to DESTROY the ENEMY. Because it is impossible to kill ALL of the enemy our best strategy is to destroy the WILL of the enemy.
The only way to destroy the WILL of the enemy is to kill enough of them to make it obvious further resistance will only increase the kill rate; in order to deplete their WILL. If enough of the enemy is killed, eventually the WILL is eliminated (at best) or suppressed to the extent the enemy is compelled to consider other options; the primary one being capitulation/surrender. Japan and Germany – post WW2 are the best examples of my thesis.
The main reason islam remains extant is that, pre mid-20th century we did not had the resources and capability or WILL to take on the mission of COMPLETELY destroying islam. Today we have the weapons and military capability but still lack the WILL. For a multiplicity of nefarious reasons (oil/money/power/leftism, etc.) we have done nothing but engage islam in firefights (figuratively speaking) since the days of the Crusades. In the meantime they continue the moslim brotherhood strategy of infiltration, lawfare, demographic overwhelmance and subjugation of our political leadership through bribery. They are infiltrating US – EVERYWHERE and in EVERY echelon of our culture and societal infrastructure –and they make no secret of their strategy.
Look at the results – moslim Barry Soetoro in the Unites States – crazed Marxist/moslim aficionado Trudeau in Canada and the rest of the treasonous political elite in the old empires of Europe (France, Germany, Holland, Belgium and most significantly the last remnant of resistance, the UK). Even Spain and Portugal, whom one would expect to be most aware, have caved; crying out for moslim invasion.
Following is what we face – the resurrection of the Caliphate. ISIS is a distraction. Turkey is the driver, for many reasons.
1. Historical precedence and relevance and currently under the totalitarian whim of uber-islamist Ordegan “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…”
―Recep Tayyip Erdogan
Read more at http://izquotes.com/quote/227625
2. Historical alliance with Germany (why has and is Germany creating channels of invasion for predominantly male moslim miscreants of predominately military age?). These invaders are already sowing the seeds of havoc in Germany, similar to the Brown-Shirts of NAZI periodicity in the lead-up to WW2 and Germany has imported MILLIONS of these Jihadis, beginning in the 1970’s.
3. The most literate and educated (unfortunately emphasis is on islamic education) country within the Organization of islamic Cooperation (OIC)
4. The possible election of United Nations Human Rights Council Resolution 16/18 signatory Hillary “Dodging Bullets” Clinton as next POTUS http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/publications/united-nations-human-rights-council-resolution-16-18
We are at the modern equivalence of stage 4 of 10 of the lead up to WW2 and the closest we have to a Winston Churchill is Donald Trump in the US, Geert Wilders in Holland and the recent emergence of leadership in Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland and perhaps Marine Le Pen in France.
Then again perhaps we do have a leg-up in that the internet provides the tools for awareness, unavailable in the 1930’s.
Hail to Louis Lionheart for his on the street heroism and to the literary warriors Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Baron and Dymphna, Dr. Bill Warner, Daniel Greenfield, Mark Steyn, Ezra Levant Dr. David Wood and the increasingly myriad others unnamed.
The Irishman.
Custos Custodum says
Excellent point – hadn’t really thought of this.
Another major drivers is simply nihilistic lust for power on the part of the European ultra-hard Left. Their leadership was forged in radical left groups with innocuous names (e.g. Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament in the UK), often sponsored by the Soviet Block as a means of cheaply subverting the West. Various “peace” and “environmental” groups throughout Western Europe played similar vanguard roles.
Many of these ambitious, nihilist, extremists are now solidly well entrenched throughout the national and supra-national power structures (and particularly in the government-media complex) after a long “march through the institutions” (i.e. at public expense).
The destruction of civil society is a prerequisite to the “might-is-right” nirvana in which a cadre-based ruling party/caste assumes absolute power over a subjugated class of dhimmi worker bees. Muslim supremacism works hand-in-glove with these atheist narcissists.
To achieve totalitarian control, the brutal suppression of all forms of dissent and co-option of all media outlets is crucial. On the other side of the equation, we see the manufacture of fake “astroturf” citizens support following old Soviet propaganda manuals. Witness, e.g. the “spontaneous” and serendipitously well-published “welcomes” staged for unvetted masses of male Muslim “refugees”)
jihad3tracker says
I am not an expert on the degree to which Canada has caved in to cowardice about freedom of speech, in the service of multicultural, Islam-loving, eventual surrender.
But visit Mark Steyn’s website (www.steynonline.com) and use the search box to put in relevant words — he seems to have an endless procession of trouble.
Dan says
THIS
should serve as warning to you then.
http://www.therebel.media/americans_threatening_to_move_to_canada
The last half at least.
KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM says
Canada is obvious to the dangers it faces as a consequence of the election of “Shiny Pony” Trudeau. Trudeau is the white version of America’s POTUS Barry Soetoro (masquerading under the name of barack obama) with all the benefits whiteness brings and without the liabilities the scrutiny Barry’s suspect and unvetted background should have brought.
Canada is more inclined to socialism than the USA, for many reasons I won’t elaborate in this post. Trudeau is more dangerous to Canada than Barry’s eight-year campaign of destruction in America is to America, because Canadians are relatively detached from America’s black/white issue; but not least because he is white and has nice hair. The assclown’s election pisses me off because it illustrates Canada’s naivety.
This moron’s experience claim is that of a part-time drama teacher (Barry at least was a community organizer) and he used 1/2 of his parentage of father and former PM Pierre Trudeau (Marxist opportunist) as advantage, whilst the ignorant uninformed masses ignored the influence of a deranged mother – Maggie of vagina exposing and multitude of rock band shagging fame.
Canada’s inculcation of 25,000 unvetted moslim Syrian “refugees” should act as an alarm clock. IT won’t. America, Canada and indeed the entire western civilization is facing a world of hurt.
Toxick1 says
As a Canadian who has been around for quite a while, I agree with Kaboom 100%. We are only hurting ourselves by electing capt. creampuff as prime minister. Stupidity is rampant on the left in Canada.
KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM says
Canada is obvious to the dangers it faces as a consequence of the election of “Shiny Pony” Trudeau. Trudeau is the white version of America’s POTUS Barry Soetoro (masquerading under the name of barack obama) with all the benefits whiteness brings and without the liabilities the scrutiny Barry’s suspect and unvetted background should have brought.
Canada is more inclined to socialism than the USA, for many reasons I won’t elaborate in this post. Trudeau is more dangerous to Canada than Barry’s eight-year campaign of destruction in America is to America, because Canadians are relatively detached from America’s black/white issue; but not least because he is white and has nice hair. The assclown’s election pisses me off because it illustrates Canada’s naivety.
This moron’s experience claim is that of a part-time drama teacher (Barry at least was a community organizer) and he used 1/2 of his parentage of father and former PM Pierre Trudeau (Marxist opportunist) as advantage, whilst the ignorant uninformed masses ignored the influence of a deranged mother – Maggie of vagina exposing and multitude of rock band shagging fame.
Canada’s inculcation of 25,000 unvetted moslim Syrian “refugees” should act as an alarm clock. IT won’t. America, Canada and indeed the entire western civilization is facing a world of hurt.
Western Canadian says
Your opinions of Canada are pure crap, so STFU.
Custos Custodum says
WC – perhaps you would care to explain to the rest of us what you think is going on North of the border under Justin Trudeau?
Where and how exactly are the other posters wrong? A few factual pointers would be appreciated.
Western Canadian says
The level of contempt for shiny pony outside of central Canada is very high. And as he continues to demonstrate that he is, to flatter him, ill informed and simple minded, the contempt can only grow. I fully acknowledge that he will do us considerable harm, and congratulate himself for it. RC’s have been part of the traditional liberal party base. He has reduced it’s level of support, with his self righteous and arrogant dictates. He has demonstrated that he will make a promise, and then break it the minute he finds the promise to be inconvenient. Yes, those who live for government handouts will remain in love with him, while those of us who produce the goods and income that he gives away, will only grow more disgusted. A thing about Canadians that a large numbers of the posters here and elsewhere do not understand: Yes, we are a soft spoken, generous and polite people, if you push enough to get us REALLY pissed off…. Anything short of G0d helping you won’t be enough. Vimy ridge wasn’t the only example of Canadian’s ability to develop tactics that win battles and wars, or that when angry, we are any enemies worst nightmare.
The rot in our legal system preceded either shiny pony and his vile party, by decades. JG Dief the thief had a large role in that, as well as doing damage to our industrial base and military stature. Little Justin, is literally, uncommonly stupid, and will never have the ability to realize his mistakes, or to learn. A very serious threat…. And there is already talk of BOTH major parties, going through leadership reviews in the next few years. We can only hope that the idiots stay home this time.
Western Canadian says
Should be ‘vile father’, not vile party.
linnte says
Canada is lost. Let’s not let this happen in the USA!!!
خَليفة says
Self applied shimmied status.
The ignorance of preislamic peoples is indeed a real ignorance.
Muslims lie all the time, but they do not lie about preislamic ignorance. However, they are deceptive about it. Once you join the cult you are there for life, and you then have to try to get more suckers to join – like any other cult.
Just because you are ignorant about something does not mean that knowing about it is beneficial to you. Most people are ignorant of what it is like to live being paralyzed, and I’m sure that all you reading this wish to maintain THAT ignorance.
This preislamic ignorance is the not knowing how evil, twisted, pervertd, corrupt and hypocritical Islam actually is. Sadly, many in America and Europe are victims of this ignorance, and their ignorance could cost them their lives, property and the lives of their children.
Fortunately we have RS, and others, to remove that ignorance without us having to join The cult of Islam.
KEITH LAWRIE says
Taken down to its philosophical bare bones , remove religion from the equation, and all of these attacks can be seen as the continuation of the war between Rationalism and Irrationalism.
And the Irrationalists are winning.
Why??? Because through education in our failing universities, they have created many more USEFUL IDIOTS than Rationalism can ever hope to create.
Irrationalists have been taught to assume Rationalism is Nonsense.
They think they have superior intellectual gifts,that they are the initiated.
There is no reasoning with them. This Idea is from Karl Popper’s “Open Society and its Enemies” chapter 24
rrationalists do not believe man is created equal, nor do they believe in free speech. How can they and maintain their argument. Their argument is paramount to ” the paradox of the liar’. This is why Islam is so baffling to us who expect a reasonable discussion.
davej says
The translation of Daesh is “Islamic State”. They just want to disguise it because “Islamic” is getting to be bad PR. Now they will pressure everyone else to do the same, ie submit to Sharia.
Canada has many fine municipal Aquatic centers, standing by for the first swimming pool rapes.
David Munson says
It’s all about intimidation and using the Bully Pulpit.
Adrian says
Elghawaby wrote: “Want to hurt the Islamic State? Call it something else.”
No, Ms. Elghawaby – if you want to hurt the Islamic State, you call it what it really is, otherwise they will continue their killings … while you try to fool everyone into chasing phantoms
Walter Sieruk says
Just a little bit of information information about that brutal and murderous Islamic terror group Hamas. This deadly jihad entity ,as most people know is sponsored and supported the tyrannically Islamic regime of Iran which so falsely has the word “Republic In its title. Some”republic.”! Nevertheless, the word or term “Hamas” means the following ” ‘Hamas’ is the Arabic acronym for Islamic Resistance movement, and means ‘zeal’ Since its inception Hamas had been committed to destroying the Jewish Sate in all of Israel.” [1] Furthermore, one of the sons of one of the founders of the violent and deadly jihad entity ,Hamas, is now a Christian. His name is Mosab Hassan Yousef and he had explained about the inspiration of and for the members of this Islamic terror group. For Yousef stated “What keeps Hamas going is their motivation- their Koran and their Islam.”
[1] IRAN AND ISRAEL by Mark Hitchcock page 82
CeltictotheBone says
Walter dude! Your posts are too dense, making them uninteresting and difficult to read. You are a good dude, no doubt – BUT I don’t read your stuff due to the density of your posts – i’ve postponed telling you this in the past.
Break up your text in paragraphs. Readers will read the totality if successive paragraphs are interesting, palatable and meaningful.
The Irishman.
Angemon says
Good to know that no muslim will consider the islamic state to be legitimate if its legitimacy will ever depend on what the Toronto Star refers to it as…
mortimer says
Quote: Toronto Star’s editor-in-chief, described the Islamic State/ Caliphate/ Daesh as “multinational gang of killers and rapists”
That is the description of what we read in the Sira and hadiths, only that group were many Arabs and Michael Cooke left out: plunder, enslavement, ethnic cleansing, genocide, bribery, extortion, torture.
Michael Cooke also did not mention that ISIS self-consciously models itself on the events in the Sira and hadiths.
Walter Sieruk says
As for Hamas, its members are totally ignorant and completely in the dark in that they are fated to fail in the goal of destroying the State of Israel and replacing with an Islamic “state.” The reason why this is so is because the Hamas member are greatly overruled in that agenda they have by the God of the Bible. For the Jewish people have been given all of this land that now composes Israel, including the West .Bank , As seen in the Bible in Genesis 28:13-15. 35:10-12. Deuteronomy 32:48,49. Psalm 105:7-11. In other words, this land belongs to the Jews by Divine Right. As Psalm 135:4. teaches “For the Lord has chosen Jacob for Himself. Israel for His special treasure.” [N.K.J.V.] Moreover, this land also belongs to the Jewish people by historic rights. As shown in First Kings 4:20,21 24,25. 8:55,56. In all fairness to the jihadists who make up Hamas there is one way that they can convince God to change His Mind about being so much for Israel and then cause Him to turn His Back of the Jewish State and thus have that nation be no more. That way is for the Hamas members to get together and then change the laws of astrophysics, including that of the sun, the moon and the stars. For God had declared in His Word in Jeremiah 31:35,36. “Thus saith the Lord, Who gives the sun for a light by day and the ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night….The Lord of host is His name. If those ordinances depart from before Me saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me forever.”
mortimer says
The doctrine of taqiyya makes it necessary to presume that all Muslims are lying all the time or that they will be lying the next time.
ninetyninepct says
Since a Muslim’s entire life is directed by Islam, we can safely and properly assume that in the mind of a Muslim, any interaction in any form, speech or written, is an attack on Islam. Since they always assume we are attacking them, they will lie, automatically. To a Muslim, lying is like breathing, they do it without thinking. Not all Muslims lie but since it is hard to tell which is which, it is safer to assume they all do. No offence meant, it is what it is and their book of hate demands. Brainwashed with no free will.
Most are likely conceived in a violent act, are born to a violent culture, are brainwashed and instructed in mosques promoting violence and hate and of course this becomes a normal part of who they are.
mortimer says
Are people at the Star bribed to write articles biased in favor of Islam?
Clare Maloney says
The Toronto Star has been known as the The Toronto Red Star by it’s detractors due to a pronounced left of centre bias in its editorials and choice of content. Henceforth it will be called The Toronto Crescent Moon.
Toxick1 says
Good one, Clare. Toronto Crescent Moon suits it perfectly.
D-spot says
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck……….chances are it’s a duck!!!
Jay Boo says
The Qur’an is no longer to be associated with Muslims.
Please stop associating Muslims with its violence.
There is nothing Islamic about the Qur’an.
(sarc)
unbeliever1 says
Their chief Islamist apologist Haroon Siddiqui has recently retired.
Demsci says
Amira Elghawaby of NCCM, no doubt a Muslima, says; Want to hurt Islamic State? Call them something else”. And she argues that IS aims to drive a wedge between The West and Muslims”?
When Muslims want to show Islam’s success they tell us about the total number of Muslims, 1,57 billion, 23 % of mankind, and growing, the bigger, the better. No exceptions of Muslims in that narrative.
But when IS embarrasses Muslims they say it is not Islamic and so it’s followers are not Muslims and THEN they reduce the numbers of Muslims. They then deduct all the embarrassing ones.
Elghawaby is communicating to Western media and citizens. And she counts on something prevailing and ineradicable among Western media and citizens;
That of the principle “Muslims are innocent until proven guilty”. And as a corollary: “Never ever will we consent to “painting all Muslims with the same brush”. It is as if this majority rather will bite it’s own thongue before they will ever “paint all Muslims with the same brush” or allow that.
Witness the emotional reaction of Ben Affleck (“Batman”) to Bill Maher and Sam Harris when he perceived they were “painting all Muslims with the same brush”.
So Elghawaby asserts there is some kind of “true Islam” and IS is “false Islam”. But typically we find that it is only certain that Muslims are innocent until proven guilty, but “True Islam” almost always remains very mysterious.
Whereas IS is perfectly clear about it’s drive and motivation and it has no single member that is not Muslim and that does not follow the 5 pillars of Islam.
Even the political correct people, cannot deny that anymore, not the majority, with some rationality left, of them anyway.
Andrew McCarthy endorsed Ted Cruz and wrote: “Westerners should stop searching for what is or is not the True Islam and focus on their own values and ideology” or something like that.
And there we have it: If we do not care about what True Islam is, and we humour Elghabawy in believing that somehow there must be a different Islam from that of IS, but at the same time we emphasize that yes, Islamic State TOO IS INDEED ISLAMIC, what then?
If Muslims condemn IS, that is worthless, because in private they probably say to each other: “And we condemn the West even more”. Condemnation is not CHOICE.
And how easy for IS to drive a wedge between the West and Muslims, when the Muslims themselves all refuse to CHOOSE, OR choose the anti-Western side. But how many do choose the pro-Western side? Openly? A tiny minority maybe. Mayor Aboutaleb is one of the few notable exceptions; he did choose the Western side, after Charlie Hebdo.
If Elghabawy is to be taken at her word, and Islamic State ALSO IS ISLAMIC, then there must be multiple interpretations of Islam, and not “one true Islam”,
and that means Muslims can CHOOSE between the multiple interpretations. And we, Westerners, can demand a choice from them.
And how can the political correct, but rational people object to that? When the motivation of IS is undeniable, yet it is VERBOTEN to “paint all Muslims with the same brush”. How can there then not be Multiple interpretations (according to their own logic).
And only crazy conspiracy-theorists try to deny this by saying IS is a creation of Israel and America!! But that’s so absurd, rational people won’t fall for that, will they?
ninetyninepct says
Islamic State is Muslim and it obeys the Koran. To consider IS as anything, to refer to it in any other way but Islamic is offensive. There is no radical Islam, there is no moderate Islam, there is Islam.
Demsci says
For there to be only one true version of Islam, Quran-Hadiths-Sira would have to be very clear, consistent, coherent + complete. And changeable, improvable, which it isn’t already for a 1000 years.
And it is not up to that level.
Some of it’s texts ARE very clear, but then, when we look at the big picture, we see that clear verses also clearly contradict each other. It’s the sort of thing the media is good at detecting in regard to the positions on issues of presidential candidates.
Great unclarity and ambiguousness and contradiction can be seen in the corpus of Quran-Hadits-Sira too. And “explainers” of Quran-Hadiths-Sira are only HUMANS, who came later.
Muslims themselves are the ones who will never admit that Islam is unclear. They believe the Quran, which itself says it is very clear, and God-given. This is why they have the conspiracy-theory that Islamic State is not Islamic. And it is why we almost never see Muslims openly choose the side of the Western democracies.
Paradoxically, it is counterjihadists who confirm this when they say that there is only one (true) Islam. It is they who give more respect to Islam than is needed, as to it’s coherence + consistency.
Due to a fear that otherwise Muslims will mislead them or the masses of Westerners. And this is why the Muslims are never demanded to make a choice, as it is assumed by counterjihadists, just as by themselves, that they do not HAVE a choice, because somehow there is only ONE TRUE islam.
But the masses of Westerners are already totally set against an interpretation of “a true Islam that is clear and bad”, because that would mean all followers of Islam should be seen as bad also, or at best potentially bad and not to be trusted.
So the counterjihadists remain firmly at odds with the majority of Westerners by saying that there is only one true Islam, so only dangerous Muslims.
A compromise based on unclarity, ambiguity, acceptance of 2 or more versions of Islam is better. The majority of Westerners can easily see that probability.
Demsci says
Where we Westerners, excel Islam with is that we could construe a much more coherent, consistent, complete manifest, most important guiding text for a religion, than Mohammed (or his ghostwriters) ever could. Moreover, since we clearly attributed out manifest to humans, we could always improve parts of it, when misunderstandings arise.
About Islam misunderstandings or differences of opinion are a plague.
Employees of NCCM (CAIR-CAN) of necessity Muslims, maintain Islam is Islam, mysterious, but somehow harmless. But they can only pretend to choose America over Islamic State. Because in principle they have to search for that elusive ONE TRUE VERSION of Islam.
But why should we help Muslims, when the majority of Westerners simply will never ever believe that there is only one true Islam, that is mandatory to all Muslims, that is clearly antithetical and hostile to democracy? And so that majority will view anyone who does hold such a view as someone “who paints all Muslims with the same brush” and therefore a bigot or racist.
But this majority can easily be persuaded that Muslims really can make different interpretations of ambiguous Islam, so also harmless, democratic ones. And then WE can say; why don’t the Muslims in Western nations choose that harmless interpretation AND our side???
Mark A says
But Daesh is just an acronym for ISIL, right? It still contains the description, “Islamic” right?
So how does the change to Daesh from ISIL or ISIS allegedly change the Islamist reality of Daesh/ISIL/ISIS?
As Shakespeare said, “A rose by any other name” is still a rose”
But the Toronto Star is, and always has been, a leftist rag which nobody outside the Greater Toronto Area takes seriously if in fact they are even aware of the Toronto Star’s existence.
Pierre says
Sounds like Western Kanadian actually agrees with Kaboooooooooo………….m, despite his protestations to the contrary. Muslim infested Canada is in dire trouble if this deluded mutt is an example of its population – eh?
Western Canadian says
If you think that deliberately miss-spelling Canadian is amusing, it only proves you are very stupid, As is your suggestion that I am in agreement with kajerk, about his contempt for Canadians. To this point Canada is NOT infested with muslims, and if it is up to @ssholes like you to turn the tide, the country is doomed. I have no more patience or use for garbage like you, than I do for devout muslims, so feel free to STFU, and FTHO.
Demsci says
Amira Elghabawi: If you want to irritate Islamic State, deny they are Islamic.””
But as I see it, it is to our advantage to call them Islamic. The narrative of Muslims is that there can only be one true Islam. NCCM cannot afford to support Islamic State as practicing that one true version of Islam. But NCCM still must uphold that tenet. So it is in their interest that the world calls Islamic State not Islamic.
But it is in our interest to show the world that Islam can be interpreted validly, legitimately, logically in DIVERSE ways, not in ONE way! And both Islamic State and all the other diverging practices by Muslims destroy the myth that there is only one clear unambiguous Islam.
If our best writers, like Robert or Hugh, were set upon the task, they could easily create a far better, far more clear, complete most important guiding texts for A RELIGION, or A NEW RELIGION or perhaps Lifestyle, than the unclear, incomplete, ambiguous mess that is called Islam (Quran-Hadiths-Sira). And this better guiding text would then also be updatable until they get it right.