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Hugh Fitzgerald: Jonathan Power, and “Why Islam Is Not Violent” Yet Again

Mar 16, 2016 10:26 am By Hugh Fitzgerald

“Yet most Muslims do not commit acts of violence. If Islam is intrinsically violent then roughly a billion believers either do not understand their own religion, or are too cowardly or unfaithful to follow its precepts. That is my sarcasm but, indeed, this is what violent Islamists say.” — From this article

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As is his wont, Jonathan Power deliberately confuses “Islam” and Muslims, and wants you to do it, too. Because not all Muslims have committed acts of violence, he wants us to conclude that the faith of Islam cannot possibly be intrinsically violent. Now, not every Nazi Party member found himself involved in the Endlosung, the “Final Solution” of the death camps. So what? The murderous antisemitism of the Nazi Party did not infect only those who took a direct part in the roundup and murder of Jews and others. You could be an enthusiastic supporter of Hitler’s genocidal program and not leave your study.

Not everyone has either the opportunity or the need to act on all of his beliefs. Power seems to think that because “a billion” Muslims don’t all take direct part in ISIS’s bloodletting, that must mean, in his jejune sarcasm, either that “then roughly a billion believers either do not understand their own religion” or they are “too cowardly or unfaithful [sic] to follow its precepts.” It could also mean that those billion Muslims lacked either the need or the opportunity to act on those Islamic teachings on how to treat infidels. No need, if they were already living among fellow Muslims. No opportunity, if they lived among Infidels who were still strong enough to discourage Muslim attack. And Islam spells out clearly, in its numerous passages concerning when violent jihad is necessary, other rules of the game: if the violent jihad in question is deemed fard kifayah, a collective duty, rather than fard ayn, an individual duty, any individual Muslim may be relieved of the duty of participating if “the community” is engaged in jihad.

Westerners have a tendency to create myths about the teachings of Mohammed (pbuh) in the Koran. An outrageous one is the claim that an adulterous woman should be stoned. But the only teaching in any of the world’s major religions advocating stoning can be found in the Jewish Old Testament. (Paradoxically, the Jews have not practised this for millennia but Saudi Arabia does today.)

Jonathan Power accuses “Westerners” of “a tendency to create myths about the teachings of Mohammed (pbuh)” in the Koran. As is his practice, he offers by way of a “tendency” exactly one example – the “outrageous claim” that Mohammad advocated stoning an adulterous woman. But Mohammad did make that “outrageous claim” and more than once – only he did so not in the Qur’an, but in the Hadith of both Bukhari and Muslim. That’s why Power carefully planted those three little words “in the Koran” in his first sentence; if caught out, he could then indignantly splutter “but I only said Westerners have a tendency to create myths about the teachings of Mohammad in the Koran.”

For Jonathan Power, it’s no fairsies, bringing up Bukhari and Muslim and very possibly the Sira. He’s at that level, and expects you to be at that level, too.

For those who refuse to play ball, and welcome the relevant cites in Bukhari and Muslim, here are the Hadiths setting out lapidation as the punishment for adultery: Bukhari 6:60:79; 6:83:37; Muslim 17:4192, 17:4196, 17:4206; 17:4209. And aside from these Hadiths, one finds in the Sira of Ibn Ishaq Mohammed in his “Farewell Address” unambiguously insisting – so important did he deem it – that “The adulterer must be stoned.”

In 630 AD Mohammed (pbuh) himself led his troops to conquer Mecca. By the time of his death two years later most of the Arabs of the western part of Arabia were Muslims by conquest. Within 20 years of Mohammed’s death Muslims had conquered large parts of the Roman Empire and had absorbed the almighty Persian. Within 100 years his followers had established an empire greater than Rome at its zenith. By the 13th and 14th centuries Islam had spread as far east as India, Indonesia and parts of China. In Africa it was introduced on the back of the slave trade.

Yet this astonishing record of far-flung conquest out of Arabia and all the way to western China was somehow achieved by people whose complete guide to living, Jonathan Power keeps telling us, nowhere counsels, and everywhere opposes, “acts of violence.” If those nonviolent Muslim armies were able to establish “an empire greater than Rome at its zenith,” just imagine what they might have accomplished had they decided to be violent. Note, too, the second appearance of that pious “pbuh” that follows the mention of Mohammed, and which suggests a deep solicitousness for Muslim sensibilities. Also worth noting is that last sentence, where how suavely the ruthless Arab trade in black African slaves – almost all of them young boys castrated while still in the bush — has been weirdly upended, so that it has now become the slave “on whose back” Islam arrived in Africa. And note the repeated use of the passive — “Islam had spread,” “in Africa it [Islam] was introduced” — that minimizes human agency, and those who wielded those Muslim swords that were used to “spread” and “introduce” Islam.

In total contrast Christians submitted themselves to lions rather than fight and not until the Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity some 300 years after Jesus’ death did Christianity take on the role of running a state with all its well-embedded military traditions.

Power has a way of insinuating that the Muslims, in fashioning their empire through warfare (though Islam itself, remember, “is not violent”), stood in admirable relief to the Christians who “in total contrast [to the Muslims] submitted themselves to lions rather than fight.” There is a scarcely-concealed note of scorn — why couldn’t those wimpy Christians have done what the Muslims did, in “running a state” right off? And note Power’s illogic here: the Christians “submitted themselves to lions rather than fight” and in so doing were “in total contrast” to the Muslims, which should mean that the Muslims were the opposite of pacific, were inured to, and ready to give and receive blows. In other words, Islam was, and is, violent. And that is exactly the opposite of the point Jonathan Power thinks he is making.

It came as a great surprise to me and to others that in the months after 9/11 that President George W Bush said that Islam was a peaceful religion. Moreover, the religious scholar, Karen Armstrong, writes in her book The Battle For God: “The Koran condemns all warfare as abhorrent and permits only a war of self-defence. The Koran is adamantly opposed to the use of force on religious matters.”

Many detractors of Islam would argue that Bush and her [sic] are wrong. Can the Muslim armies that swept across the Middle East and into Asia only have been practicing self-defence? It is true, as she says, that the Koran is mainly an advocate of non-violence. In nearly every passage it maintains that violence should only be used in self-defence.

Power adduces two authorities for his “Islam is not violent” thesis. The first is that learned scholar of Islam George Bush, who in the months after 9/11 casually tossed off his ill-considered judgment that Islam “is a peaceful religion.” This curious remark was presumably prompted by Bush’s desire, while already attacking Afghanistan and very likely starting to plan the invasion of Iraq, to reassure potential Muslim allies. And there’s another reason: he who had been so successfully Born Again may have been swayed by a sentimental syllogism: “All religions are peaceful. Islam is a religion. Islam is peaceful.”

Power’s second great authority on Islam is not one of the deeply learned Western scholars of Islam, from C. Snouck Hurgronje on up to Bernard Lewis, but an ex-nun who has taken quite a shine to Islam pari passu with her palpable disenchantment with Christianity, a disenchantment expressed in several books, including A History of God. You can find out more about this bizarre creature Karen Armstrong, should you wish, by reading “Karen Armstrong: The Coherence of Her Incoherence.”

However, there is one, rarely quoted, important exception [in verse 9.29 the Koran says, “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor in the Last Day, nor hold that for which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor abide by the religion of truth even if they are People of the Book (the Bible).”

To that extent one can understand why ISIS and Al Qaeda say they have scripture on their side. Of course, this does not excuse their particular brand of savagery and brutality and their refusal to follow Mohammed’s demand that the defeated be treated well.

Overwhelmingly, Muslims are a peaceful people, less prone to war than Christians and Jews. But for some violence is in their inheritance.

 If Jonathan Power believes that verse 9.29 is a “rarely quoted” exception to the general rule that “in nearly every passage [IN THE QUR’AN] it maintains that violence should only be used in self-defence,” then perhaps his re-reading of the text may be in order. He could read the Qur’anic quotations below, which I have simply lifted from the website The Religion of Peace:

Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… 
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.

Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.

Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them…

Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah” Some translations interpret “fitna” as “persecution”, but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there – just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah”, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.”

Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”

Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”

Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”

Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”

Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion’s Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.” Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even “healing” the hearts of Muslims.

Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The Arabic word interpreted as “striving” in this verse is the same root as “Jihad”. The context is obviously holy war.

Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam “superior over all religions.”This chapter was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

Quran (9:38-39) – “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

Quran (9:41) – “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.” See also the verse that follows (9:42) – “If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them” This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).

Quran (9:73) – “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today’s devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

Quran (9:88) – “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.” 

Quran (9:111) – “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.”  Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.” Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is “utter destruction.” (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…” “Strive against” is Jihad – obviously not in the personal context. It’s also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.“ This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to “fight in the way of Allah” (3:167) and hence don’t act as Muslims should), those with “diseased hearts” (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and “alarmists” or “agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad’s biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today’s terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah’s eternal word to Muslim generations.

Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… If it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.” Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn’t do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.

Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost(Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,” 

Quran (48:17) – “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.” Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means ‘spiritual struggle.’ Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves” Islam is not about treating everyone equally. This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for ‘hard’ or ‘ruthless’ in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as ‘painful’ or severe’ to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..

Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause” Religion of Peace, indeed!  The verse explicitly refers to “rows” or “battle array,” meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9), which defines the “cause”: “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.” (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

Quran (61:10-12) – “O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of’Adn- Eternity [‘Adn(Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.” This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see verse 9). It uses the Arabic root for the word Jihad.

Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.” 

If Jonathan Power, who for many years has made Islam the frequent subject of his pontification, were to take a little time out to re-acquaint himself with the Qur’an, or at least with the passages I’ve just presented above, I suspect that even he would come to view Karen Armstrong’s insistence that “the Koran condemns all warfare as abhorrent and permits only a war of self-defence” as an offense against both logic and history. I know, too, that for Jonathan Power, that’s asking a lot.

 

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Comments

  1. KrazyKafir says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 10:38 am

    Every country has is military wing, comprised of less then 10 percent of the population, of which most of it’s citizens support, even though, they don’t actively take part. The ummah is no different, it has its Jihadists.

    • Rob Porter says

      Mar 17, 2016 at 10:30 am

      KrazyKafir, so what is your point within the context of this ignorant article written by silly-minded and ignorant Jonathan Power? As soon as this man quoted Karen Armstrong as if she is a genuine authority on Islam, I knew he was not to be taken seriously and writes from complete ignorance.

      At least I wrote to Powers to tell him he writes what he does about Islam from pure ignorance. Naturally he did not respond.

      • mortimer says

        Mar 17, 2016 at 3:44 pm

        Rob Porter is trying to be facetious. We are experiencing a ten-year decline in freedom throughout the world. This is alarming. Fascism is growing in popularity.

        ◾The number of countries showing a decline in freedom for the year—72—was the largest since the 10-year slide began. Just 43 countries made gains.
        ◾Over the past 10 years, 105 countries have seen a net decline, and only 61 have experienced a net improvement.
        ◾Ratings for the Middle East and North Africa region were the worst in the world in 2015, followed closely by Eurasia.
        ◾Over the last decade, the most significant global reversals have been in freedom of expression and the rule of law.

        What gives me great joy is that the thought that Hillary will soon be in court defending against charges of conspiracy and espionage within her office. She may even end in jail.

        Good for Porter for having the guts to write to Power. However, I disagree with the assessment that Power is ‘ignorant’. I believe Power is paid by Islamic interests to whitewash jihad and distract Western people. He is a paid disinformationist.

        Just as anyone who makes a comparison with Hitler (Argumentum ad Hitlerum) is said to have lost the argument, anyone who appeals to the Crusades (as Power did) has also lost the argument. The Tu quoque Fallacy, for many reasons, does not apply to the Crusades. But that doesn’t matter to a disinformationist like Power, because his employers aren’t that smart. The oil sheikh dictators who paid Power will be the next victims in the so-called Arab Spring. That’s why they are trembling. And, Mr. Porter, those same oil sheikhs will seek out the safehaven of some Western democracy you snear at.

  2. QhoVadis says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 10:39 am

    This reminds me of a famous quote from George Orwell: “There are some ideas that are so bad only the Intelligentsia could believe them.”

    Someone needs to remind the Leftist Useful Idiots in the West of the “argumentum ad populum” logical fallacy. The truth of an idea never depends on how many people believe in it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

  3. WorkingClassPost says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 11:15 am

    This guy is well named, for he has an unremitting capacity to deceive others, or to delude himself, or is it a bit of both?

    Regardless, of which, his ramblings go to prove that there is no point in trying to rationalize islam. It’s a perversion, pure and simple, with deceit throughout and so many contradictions, that the devious among us will always find something to support their contentions.

    Everything in islam comes from the poisoned prophet and the only argument that cannot be refuted, is the cruel hideousness of his disgusting example.

    That he made ludicrous claims about himself means something only to the equally cruel, or the willfully gullible.

    There is no longer any mystery about the world today, when you see him for what he was.

    The antiChrist.

  4. Peter says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 11:20 am

    International polls consistently show that roughly two-thirds of Muslims want to live under Islamic law, which is inherently hazardous to the health of 80% of (non-Muslim) humanity.

    So, even if a “small minority of Muslim extremists” engage in predatory Jihad (in all its forms) against non-Muslims, that behavior is sanctioned by core (traditional, orthodox) Islamic doctrines, texts, law, etc.

    One can assume that a majority of Muslims condone such behavior, and, as the Yazidis found out, easily engage in it, because it is a divine mandate imposed by Allah upon the global Muslim community.

    Islam is inherently violent and predatory vis-a-vis non-Muslims. It has been, since its inception, a declaration of war upon humanity.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 16, 2016 at 12:15 pm

      Agree. I couldn’t have said it better.

      Moreover, the ‘small minority’ of actual jihad-warriors is the same as the ‘small minority’ in the military of most peace-time countries…less than 1%.

      However, during war time, the percentage of the population in uniform may go up to 10%.

      15% of Muslims worldwide consistently say they approve of terrorism for Islam. So, 1% of Muslims are jihadists and 15% of Muslims support them financially and morally. The ‘supporters’ of jihad number in the hundreds of millions.

  5. Jay Boo says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 11:23 am

    “not all Muslims have committed acts of violence”
    ——————————————————————

    That sentiment is exactly what Obama uses to pretend that the lives of those murdered by Muslims are inconsequential in comparison with the risk of questioning Muslims about their dirty religion.

    Victims of Islam’s intolerance — Their Lives Matter

  6. Angemon says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 11:34 am

    That’s why Power carefully planted those three little words “in the Koran” in his first sentence; if caught out, he could then indignantly splutter “but I only said Westerners have a tendency to create myths about the teachings of Mohammad in the Koran.”

    In which case, the reply should be the same: citation needed because weasel words and strawman. If this were to come in a discussion in this fashion, rather than jumping directly to “well, it’s not in the quran but…”, the best answer would be “who said that? It’s wrong because it’s in the hadith, not in the quran, but I want to know who said it was in the quran and why do you think they represent most Westerners. Plus, I want to hear your explanation to why Saudi Arabia practices stoning”.

    Those three little words (in the quran) are an emergency escape, but the con starts with “Westerners have a tendency to…”. Plus, the emergency escape is by no means flawless – one only needs to point out that the ahadith are as important to islamic tradition as the quran. Does the quran say how many times muslims should pray per day? What about alcohol? Is it allowed or not? And the five pillars of islam – where are they ion the quran?

    • Don Spilman says

      Mar 16, 2016 at 4:29 pm

      Angemon you are a thinking man, perhaps you could find or already surmise , what exactly does this deceiver guy Power get from his obviously deceitful writing. I suspect he is pure socio/commie who hopes the vile Muslims disrupt the Weatern nations to the extent that they will be more open to total state control. Of course with himself in some high position.

      • Angemon says

        Mar 17, 2016 at 5:15 pm

        I don’t know. Maybe he believes the nonsense. Maybe he wants to get his 15 minutes of fame and a piece of the pie. Maybe he got a nice Saudi check to fund his research.

  7. jihad3tracker says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 11:39 am

    CLICK ON THE HOT LINK MR. FITZGERALD GIVES —- IT BRINGS UP THE DAILY MAILY WEBSITE WITH MR. POWER’S ITEM.

    ****** THERE IS A COMMENT SECTION FOR YOUR OWN DOSE OF TRUTH. ******

    BUT REMEMBER, IT MUST BE READ BY A MODERATOR BEFORE APPEARING, WHICH MIGHT TAKE A WHILE.

    • jihad3tracker says

      Mar 16, 2016 at 12:22 pm

      Correction — Website linked by Mr. Fitzgerald is The Daily Times, apparently concentrating on news regarding Pakistan.

      So, just how neutral is a [Muslim?] “moderator” for that entity ?

      But we can at least try to post comments, and if none appear after 24 hours or so, draw the obvious conclusion.

  8. خَليفة says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 11:53 am

    No one I know has ever been bitten by a copperhead or cottonmouth.
    I have never heard anyone mention anyone they knew that got bit either.

    Should I conclude that copperheads and cottonmouths are not dangerous?
    ( yes, if I were and idiot like J Powers)
    ———

    there are 2 basic paradigms to decide safety:
    ( say for drugs – not going to elaborate on LD50 )
    1) – “if NO evidence ____ is dangerous” – approve it
    2) – “if there IS evidence ____ is safe” – approve it.

    Say you are walking with friends in a forest, are hungry and come across some mushrooms which none of your group recognizes.
    -1, “anyone know if these mushrooms are dangerous?” – not recognized as dangerous so you eat them
    -2, “anyone know if these are safe to eat?” – only if recognized to be safe do you eat them

    Do you know which one the FDA uses? Hint, it’s not 2.

    ——-
    I’m not talking about drugs. The way “we” as a country decide which things, ( be it immigrants / refugees / religions / food / drugs, etc. ) are “safe” has been convoluted and distorted, by greed for profit and political correctness and by those who dislike America.

  9. Jay Boo says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 11:54 am

    Not “in the Koran”
    Therefore nothing bad must be in the Koran he implies.

    Jonathan Power has – “a tendency to create myths about the teachings of Mohammed (pbuh)” – when he ignores the many inconvenient truth about Islam in the Koran and Muhammad’s life example in the Hadiths in order to cover up the abundance of disgraceful verses that ARE actually in the Qur’an.

  10. mortimer says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!

    Ordinary Armenians and ordinary Germans were used to commit their countries genocides, rather than searching out sadistic serial killers. Ordinary civilians motivated by a supremacist ideology were capable of abandoning their humanity and committing atrocities.

    See the following link to pictures of Auschwitz guards who murdered over a million people. They were ordinary Germans:

    http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/laughing-auschwitz-ss-auxiliaries-poses-resort-auschwitz-personnel-1942/

    In the Armenian genocide, ordinary Turks and Kurds were enlisted to kill:

    In a 2003 essay collection [2], Dadrian recounted the harrowing details of this particular slaughter, its Islamic religious motifs unexpurgated. Six thousand four hundred Armenian children, young girls, and women from Yozgad, were decamped by their Turkish captors at a promontory some distance from the city. Then… “To save shell and powder, the gendarmerie commander in charge of this large convoy had gathered 10,000—12,000 Turkish peasants and other villagers, and armed with ‘hatchets, meat cleavers, saddler’s knives, cudgels, axes, pickaxes, shovels’, the latter attacked and for some 4—5 hours mercilessly butchered the victims while crying ‘Oh God, Oh God’ (Allah, Allah). In a moment of rare candor, this gendarmerie commander confided to the priest—author, whom he did not expect to survive the mass murder, that after each massacre episode, he spread his little prayer rug and performed the namaz, the ritual of worship, centered on prayer, with a great sense of redemption in the service of Almighty God.”

    • DFD says

      Mar 16, 2016 at 3:03 pm

      mortimer says: “IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!….”

      Mortimer, I concur, and how!

      Indeed, and not only that, it’s what ideology does to people, particularly when it is systematically, and even pedagogically applied.

      I remember two things, first, I read a book about 20-30 years ago, the book itself was written in the early 30’s. It dealt with the human capacity for cruelty. The author began by explaining the considerable difference between cruelty and sadism. He then explained torture methods, how these affected the victims, the onlookers and the perpetrators.

      I had to read in intervals, just reading was between horrifying and revolting.

      He cited from a diary of a clergyman who witnessed a horrifying flogging of a Jamaican slave woman. The priest or parson (I forgot) admitted with shame in his diary that the spectacle caused him to be aroused, and he repeatedly thereafter begged God’s forgiveness and protection from evil emotions. I spare you the details, as far as I can remember them anyway.

      The author also investigated the ‘attraction’ of public executions as practiced in the west until recent history.

      Something I found incredibly disturbing was when he investigated and described how the inquisition operated and how it *selected* its members. The first requirement was that the candidate had to have a pious background, had to have a reputation for being charitable and helpful. They had to be good members of the community from which they were selected, they also had to be debt free. In short, most normal and most honorable people; outstanding members of society, of being virtuous. When they accepted their “appointment” by God, their “training” began.

      It began with explanations how the ungodly corrupted people, their souls, leading others to hell fire, etc. In short, their victims where not their victims. They were victims of evil and the inquisitors performed the holy duty, an honor granted to them by God, of saving these poor victims from evil. You can guess. After about a year of learning and preparation those pious, and most virtuous of ordinary men were ready to commit sickening horrors upon others – to save them. During the time of their first “duties” there were others, to comfort them afterwards and to (re-)assure them of the righteousness of their deeds, if or when they showed remorse. Just to make sure: These were men whose modern equivalent would make a 15 minute detour, just to help an old lady or gentleman safely across the street. Until they are completely corrupted.

      The author’s only answer to the problem, there is none. All we can do is watch for signs, begins with children and how they treat animals. For instance, he recommended that when a child is observed to pull a leg of a spider or fly, the child is to be physically disciplined, within reason, and to be extensively lectured. He concluded that that is all we can do, apart from building high moral standards, and then conceded that people of precisely such standards became the willing executioners of the inquisition. Sad, is it not?

      The other experience or thing was watching a documentary, I think it was in Germany, about the indoctrination methods used by the SS. Remember, the SS were not stupid brutes, that was the SA. The SS was *selected* (again that word) from the educated people, volunteers or by approach/invite. The documentary showed over several hours, it was in several parts, clips from 32mm reels, thus with sound, of the initiation and indoctrination sessions. The language was always polite and decent, foul language got the trainees into trouble. The wording was about peace, protection (SS is the abbreviation for “Schutz Staffel” / “Protection Squad”), prosperity, etc. Then, slowly phrases were introduced, like “…we must be as ruthless as they are…. we have to be even more brutal and determined than they are… we must not shirk from such duty towards our own people… even if our own people would and will disapprove of our methods… therefore we must be discreet about many of the operations we are forced to carry out…” Again, systematically normal, and in most instances decent, people were turned into human demons – for lack of a better word.

      Yes, as you said; “IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!” One can turn ordinary, upright citizens into monsters. And suicide bombers, honorable Kamikazes even. I’d venture to state or to believe that many of the so called ‘moderate’ Muslims have not read the Quran, or at best only small sections. Conversely, every Mujahideen quotes the Quran extensively and without error. It’s the ideology indeed.

      What we are facing is bloody F…..N nightmare, please pardon my English. As Gravenimage often says: ‘I hate Islam!’ So do I, but i really believe there is something more to hate, and that’s within each of us.

      PS: A nearly similar with the US-Cavalry. All that was necessary to turn them into savage avengers was to show them pictures of the aftermath of an Indian massacre, or actually see it themselves. Thereafter, ‘no more Mr. Nice-guy!’ Of course, the Indians took the same view, how to deal with those who cruelly drive us from one desolation into another, who break their *written* word faster than the ink needs to dry…

      How to break that circle of evil?

      (Randy stay out of this!)

    • DFD says

      Mar 16, 2016 at 3:18 pm

      mortimer says: “IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!….”

      Mortimer, I concur, and how!

      Indeed, and not only that, it’s what ideology does to people, particularly when it is systematically, and even pedagogically applied.

      I remember two things, first, I read a book about 20-30 years ago, the book itself was written in the early 30’s. It dealt with the human capacity for cruelty. The author began by explaining the considerable difference between cruelty and sadism. He then explained torture methods, how these affected the victims, the onlookers and the perpetrators.

      I had to read in intervals, just reading was between horrifying and revolting.

      He cited from a diary of a clergyman who witnessed a horrifying flogging of a Jamaican slave woman. The priest or parson (I forgot) admitted with shame in his diary that the spectacle caused him to be aroused, and he repeatedly thereafter begged God’s forgiveness and protection from evil emotions. I spare you the details, as far as I can remember them anyway.

      The author also investigated the ‘attraction’ of public executions as practiced in the west until recent history.

      Something I found incredibly disturbing was when he investigated and described how the inquisition operated and how it selected its members. The first requirement was that the candidate had to have a pious background, had to have a reputation for being charitable and helpful. They had to be good members of the community from which they were selected, they also had to be debt free. In short, most normal and most honorable people; outstanding members of society, of being virtuous. When they accepted their “appointment” by God, their “training” began.

      It began with explanations how the ungodly corrupted people, their souls, leading others to hell fire, etc. In short, their victims where not their victims. They were victims of evil and the inquisitors performed the holy duty, an honor granted to them by God, of saving these poor victims from evil. You can guess. After about a year of learning and preparation those pious, and most virtuous of ordinary men were ready to commit sickening horrors upon others – to save them. During the time of their first “duties” there were others, to comfort them afterwards and to (re-)assure them of the righteousness of their deeds, if or when they showed remorse. Just to make sure: These were men whose modern equivalent would make a 15 minute detour, just to help an old lady or gentleman safely across the street. Until they are completely corrupted.

      The author’s only answer to the problem, there is none. All we can do is watch for signs, begins with children and how they treat animals. For instance, he recommended that when a child is observed to pull a leg of a spider or fly, the child is to be physically disciplined, within reason, and to be extensively lectured. He concluded that that is all we can do, apart from building high moral standards, and then conceded that people of precisely such standards became the willing executioners of the inquisition. Sad, is it not?

      The other experience or thing was watching a documentary, I think it was in Germany, about the indoctrination methods used by the SS. Remember, the SS were not stupid brutes, that was the SA. The SS was selected (again that word) from the educated people. The documentary showed over several hours, it was in several parts, clips from 32mm reels, thus with sound, of the initiation and indoctrination sessions. The language was always polite and decent, foul language got the trainees into trouble. The wording was about peace, protection (SS is the abbreviation for “Schutz Staffel” / “Protection Squad”), prosperity, etc. Then, slowly phrases like “…we must be as ruthless as they are…. we have to be even more brutal and determined than they are… we must not shirk from such duty towards our own people… even if our own people would and will disapprove of our methods… therefore we must be discreet about many of the operations we are forced to carry out…”

      Yes, as you said; “IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!” One can turn ordinary, upright citizens into monsters. And suicide bombers, honorable Kamikazes even. I’d venture to state or to believe that many of the so called ‘moderate’ Muslims have not read the Quran, or at best only small sections. Conversely, every Mujahideen quotes the Quran extensively and without error. It’s the ideology indeed.

      What we are facing is a living nightmare. Gravenimage often says: ‘I hate Islam!’ So do I, but I believe there’s more to hate than Islam, and that is what is within each of us.

      PS: A nearly similar with the US-Cavalry. All that was necessary to turn them into savage avengers was to show them pictures of the aftermath of an Indian massacre, or actually see it themselves. Thereafter, ‘no more Mr. Nice-guy!’ Of course, the Indians took the same view, how to deal with those who cruelly drive us from one desolation into another, who break their *written * word faster than the ink needs to dry…

      How to break that circle of evil?

      (Randy stay out of this!)
      ==================

    • mortimer says

      Mar 17, 2016 at 10:58 am

      I meant to say that ordinary ‘TURKS’, ‘KURDS’ and ordinary ‘GERMANS’ were used in the genocides.

      I wish this webhost would introduce an ‘edit’ feature.

  11. Shmooviyet says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 12:37 pm

    For one thing: “..Bush and her are…” ? HER ARE? Is he nine years old?

    Why do these ‘intelligent-so’s’ feel the need to keep trying to convince readers of how peaceful– really!– is the RoP?
    More and more arguments, less and less buying it.

  12. mortimer says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    Jonathan Power is a British Marxist who apparently doesn’t need to actually read the Koran, Sira and hadiths to ‘know’ what’s in them. He simply makes up his own facts about Islam.

    This is evidence that he is being financed by someone to write such articles. Which oil-producing states might that be?

    He should be thoroughly audited by the internal revenue service.

    It’s easy to debunk Power’s every statement about Islam, when you have actually read and studied Islamic texts and doctrines.

    Power’s writings and conclusions about Islam are inaccurate. Someone is feeding him what they want him to say and he isn’t aware he’s exposing his lack of Islamic knowledge.

  13. Richard Paulsen says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 2:31 pm

    Escaping peaceful countries refugees demanding shelter in violent then? Ought to be as mr Powell is thinking.
    All the concept of escape and asylum wrong then if so.

  14. mortimer says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    Jonathan Power argues that because most Muslims are not active jihadists that the IDEOLOGY of Islam does not institutionalize violence. He is dead wrong. Islamic texts are the most warlike of all religious texts.

    Danish researcher Tina Magaard, PhD concluded that Islam is the most warlike religion. After three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, Tina Magaard concluded that the Islamic texts stand out by ENCOURAGING TERROR and VIOLENCE to a larger degree than other religions do. She stated that ‘Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions. The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.’

  15. mortimer says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    According to Mohammed, violent jihad is the litmus test of Islam:

    Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
    I heard the Apostle of Allah say: When you enter into the inah transaction (become businessmen), hold the tails of oxen (become cattlemen), are pleased with agriculture (become farmers), and give up conducting jihad, Allah will make disgrace prevail over you, and will not withdraw it until you return to your original religion. – Sunan Abu Dawud Book 23, Number 3455

    Conducting jihad is the ‘original religion’ of Mohammed. Mohammed is the authority on Islam…not Jonathan Power.

    Mohammed insults them further; they are ‘garbage’:
    “Prophet Muhammad said; It is expected that the nations will call other nations to share them against you (Muslims) as the eaters call each other to eat from the food in front of them in a large wooden plate A person asked, Will that happen because of our small number on that day? The Prophet said, No. Your number will be great, but you will be rubbish like the rubbish of flood-water. And certainly Allah will remove from the hearts of enemies the fear of you and surely Allah will throw Wahn in your hearts. A person asked, What is Wahn, O Messenger of Allah? The Prophet said, Wahn is to love this world and to hate death.” – Abu Dawud 4284

    Jihad is More Religious than Kind Deeds
    Allah, the Exalted, says, Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims or the maintenance of the Sacred Mosque equal to (the pious service of) those who believe in Allah and the Last Day and strive with might and main in the cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah: and Allah guides not those who do wrong (by avoiding jihad). Those who believe and suffer exile and strive with might and main in Allah’s cause with their goods and their persons have the highest rank in the sight of Allah: They are the people who will achieve (paradise). – K. 9:19-20.

  16. No Fear says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    Most Nazis were not shooting or gassing Jews. Nazism and Mein Kampf are therefore non-violent.

  17. Gene says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    Most atomic bombs have not blown up and killed people. Therefore, they are not that dangerous, and we can safely let Iran and other terror groups have them.

  18. prman says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    Hugh forgot the umlaut: Endlösung.

  19. gravenimage says

    Mar 17, 2016 at 12:16 am

    Hugh Fitzgerald: Jonathan Power, and “Why Islam Is Not Violent” Yet Again
    …………………..

    Not violent? Well, those 27.997 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11 certainly prove that…sarc/off

    More:

    Westerners have a tendency to create myths about the teachings of Mohammed (pbuh) in the Koran. An outrageous one is the claim that an adulterous woman should be stoned. But the only teaching in any of the world’s major religions advocating stoning can be found in the Jewish Old Testament. (Paradoxically, the Jews have not practised this for millennia but Saudi Arabia does today.)
    …………………..

    There is, of course, nothing “paradoxical” about that. There is a Hadith where Muslims complain about Jews way back in the seventh century no longer stoning people to death.

    And Muslims are not just stoning victims in Saudi Arabia, but in Iran, Somalia, and the Islamic State; it is on the books in Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar,, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, Yemen, and Aceh in Indonesia; and has been carried out extra-judiciously in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Mali, and Turkey.

    In other words, it is perfectly Islamic.

  20. madmemere says

    Mar 17, 2016 at 2:24 am

    So what, Jonathan – -you say “most muslims do not commit acts of violence”! “They” may not – -BUT- -they do nothing to stop those who do; therefore, “they” are just as guilty as those who actually hold the knife, gun, machete, missile launcher, bomb, grenade, or gas can. In other words – -THEY ARE COMPLICIT!

    • Demsci says

      Mar 17, 2016 at 7:35 am

      Oh, well the mainstream Muslims refuse to take ANY responsibility! They outrageously say that Islamic State and Islamic terrorists and hatepreechers are “not Islamic”, and “organised by Western countries”.

      PC’s en masse let them get away with it.

      Meanwhile many Muslims, the parents with children, the elderly, the adults who are unemployed or sick, in many ways prophit from Western Society, making them “stakeholders”.

      And we can hold them accountable for SOMETHING, like openly supporting our state, system, choosing for us, opposing co-religionists who are against us. and openly show their position.

      On pain of diminishing some of the benefits we bestow on them. The beauty is that we need not even limit such conditions on received help to Muslims, but can declare that all citizens of all denominations who do receive taxpayer-support in some way, must declare and behave in a loyal manner.

      The intention is to divide Muslims in this way; putting pressure on Muslim stakeholders”.

  21. Mubarak says

    Mar 17, 2016 at 5:47 am

    Islam is not violent, so what is it?

    Islam is at its core and in its essence an empty replacement theology. The Jewish-Christian tradition has almost been obliterated in the West or weakened and emasculated by relativism, secularism, hedonism, libertinism and identity politics to the extent that Islam and the Muslims in their opportunistic endeavors can now lay hold of the situation and fill the empty void in West with their mocking and superior empty void from the East, preferably propagandized from pork sword shaped minarets in our great cities. – A theologian once said that the judgments of God are ironic!

  22. Mubarak says

    Mar 17, 2016 at 7:45 am

    “Ah dena mukk” is the only valid answer to this moon and mooning religion called Islam. Countless Muslims suffer from an almost unbreakable, maudlin attachment to their mothers religion. And moonstruck people are not reasoned out of their orbit! Try to ridicule them out of it, and Islamic rage boy will show you the gravitational pull, he is controlled by.

    It takes a transfiguration to address this demonic predicament, before also Muslims can be given back to their Heavenly Father.
    Here the Jews have failed their calling abysmally, and this could be a little considered root of Anti Semitism: “You unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I be with you and put up with you?”

    • mortimer says

      Mar 17, 2016 at 9:49 am

      Tut, tut, Mubarak. Jews live by the Golden Rule and are overachieving in all fields and making outstanding contributions to world progress and the well-being of the human race. Jews are bringing us the solution, rather than problem. Muslims are living in the 7th century and dragging everyone down with them.

      Muslims are trapped, as you say, in the gravitational pull of the Arabian moon/warrior cult. Only the very clever Muslim can find a safe way out of the Islamic Stockholm syndrome.

      Please purify your heart. The New Testament was written by kosher, observant Jews.

      • Mubarak says

        Mar 17, 2016 at 10:23 am

        Which Jews are you talking about? Marx? Freud? Oppenheimer? Spielberg? Madonna? etc. etc. etc.
        And through these all the families of the earth shall be blessed?

        Cleverness won’t do it, moretimer; not even Jewish cleverness.

        • Mubarak says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 10:37 am

          PS: Neither will the cocksure pride parade of Jewish geniuses.

        • mortimer says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 11:04 am

          Nazism will not do. Purify your heart.

  23. Singh the Singh says

    Mar 17, 2016 at 9:23 am

    Islam is not violent by any stretch of the imagination: Kurdish woman in Germany murdered after refusing arranged marriage to her cousin

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/kurdish-woman-in-germany-murdered-after-refusing-arranged-marriage-to-her-cousin/news-story/c322fa1228d4082f80d721a45ab27f40

  24. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Mar 17, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    What an asstard. Most of those 1 billion muslims still love among other muslims in remote desert areas, so they simply have no opportunity to jihad against any infidels.

    And when muslim sects, like Mafia Families, wage war on each other, it doesn’t make any of them “poor helpless victims of islamic violence” any more that the Tattaglias and Gambinos ganging up on the the Corleones would make any of their soldiers “helpless victims of Mafia violence” either!

    Also, re: “But Mohammad did make that “outrageous claim” and more than once – only he did so not in the Qur’an, but in the Hadith of both Bukhari and Muslim.”

    Don’t the hadiths also insist Moe DID put the “stone the adulterers!” bit in the Qur’an, but those passages were hidden by Aiysha under her bed, until goats ate them?

    😉

    • UNCLE VLADDI says

      Mar 17, 2016 at 5:43 pm

      Obviously, that “love” bit was a typo – I meant to type “live,” not “love” – because there is no love in islam, except a love of offensive slaughter.

  25. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Mar 17, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    DISCLAIMER!

    Re:”Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.”

    The “funny” bit about this passage, is that NOBODY TURNED THE MUSLIMS OUT of their homes! This is only another example of Moe’s preposterous rationalizations and victim-blaming slanderous LIES which he put directly into the mouth of his lying sock-puppet, “allah,” right into his Qur’an!

    What really happened, is that Moe had threatened the Meccans with violence, (as in: “I will bring you slaughter!”) simply for verbally contending with his claims, and so they had put him and his followers under house arrest, in Mecca! No out-turnings!

    Then, Moe and his men snuck out their back doors and scampered off to Yathrib (“Medina”) where they raided innocent pilgrims’ Mecca-bound caravans for booty!

    Ishaq [183] Guillaume P. 130-131:

    Yahya b. ‘Urwa b. al-Zubayr on the authority of his father from’ Abdullah b. ‘Amr b. al-‘As told me that the latter was asked what was the worst way in which Quraysh showed their enmity to the apostle. He replied: ‘I was with them one day when the notables had gathered in the Hijr and the apostle was mentioned. They said that they had never known anything like the trouble they had endured from this fellow; he had declared their mode of life foolish, insulted their forefathers, reviled their religion, divided the community, and cursed their gods. What they had borne was past all bearing, or words, to that effect.’

    While they were thus discussing him the apostle came towards them and kissed the black stone, then he passed them as he walked round the temple.

    MORE PROOF MOE KISSED THE BLACK STONE! IDOLATER!

    😉

    As he passed they said some injurious things about him. This I could see from his expression. He went on and as he passed them the second time they attacked him similarly. This I could see from his expression. Then he passed the third time, and they did the same. He stopped and said, ‘Will you listen to me O Quraysh? By him who holds my life in His hand, I will bring you slaughter.’

    THIS IS THE PROOF THAT MOE STARTED IT! HE INITIATED THE VIOLENCE!

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