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Hugh Fitzgerald: “Raping me is his prayer to God. It’s allowed. It’s halal.”

Mar 14, 2016 7:31 pm By Hugh Fitzgerald

“According to an obscure ruling in Islamic law, cited by the Islamic State, a man must ensure that the woman he enslaves is free of child before having intercourse with her.” — from this New York Times article, March 12, 2016

Islamic State sex slave

Possibly the most horrifying of the Islamic State’s practices has been the systematic sexual enslavement of Yazidi women by and for its fighters. Since August 2014, thousands of Yazidi girls and women have been taken from their families, warehoused, and put on display in viewing rooms where they are inspected by potential buyers among the Muslims. Having examined the goods, these fighters make their choice and then sign a sales contract for these girls, who have now become their property that they are allowed to do with as they wish, including using them for sexual gratification, and then to resell them to others.

The IS fighters have been taught that because these Yazidi girls practice a religion other than Islam, and one without the minimal protections afforded to those who are fellow People of the Book (ahl al-kitab) with a written scripture, that is Christians and Jews, Muslim men have not only a right, but a positive religious duty to rape them.

From an August 2015 New York Times report:

In the moments before he raped the 12-year-old girl, the Islamic State fighter took the time to explain that what he was about to do was not a sin. Because the preteen girl practiced a religion other than Islam, the Quran not only gave him the right to rape her—it condoned and encouraged it.

He bound her hands and gagged her. Then he knelt beside the bed and prostrated himself in prayer before getting on top of her. When it was over, he knelt to pray again, bookending the rape with acts of religious devotion…. ‘ I kept telling him it hurts – please stop. Drawing closer to God.”

Other girls testified to the same treatment, mixing sex and acts of devotion: “Every time that he came to rape me, he would pray. He kept telling me this is ibadah,” a term from Islamic scripture meaning “worship.” He said that raping me is his prayer to God. It’s allowed. It’s halal.

What non-Muslims may find most disturbing is how these IS fighters, capable of the repeated rape of helpless schoolgirls, and of every other conceivable kind of cruelty toward non-Muslim men as well as women, unperturbedly violate by their behavior everything we regard as humanly decent, yet are terribly worried about only one thing: breaking even a single one of the many Islamic regulations of life, whatever its content. And when it comes to the rules regulating sexual slavery, they appear to worry most about the duty a Muslim man has to make sure that before having intercourse with one of his slave women, she not be pregnant. The origin of the rule is disputed, but most likely it once had to do with ensuring that a slave girl could both continue to work and to provide sexual gratification – hence the recommendation to her owner to practice al-azl, or coitus interruptus. But once the rule is set in stone, its origins do not matter.

IS buyers of slave girls demand assurances that the girls not be pregnant, and once they’ve bought a slave-girl, these serial rapists insist on feeding their girls contraceptives of every variety, that is, they keep them in re-sellable condition.One Yazidi girl recalled that “when prospective buyers came to inquire about her, she overheard them asking for assurances that she was not pregnant, and her owner provided a box of birth control as proof.” In other examples, would-be rapists first quizzed their victims on their last menstrual cycle, or insisted that their sex slaves take a morning-after pill, or when available, gave them a dose of an injectable contraceptive, Depo-Provera. In a particularly grim case of Mother Knows Best, one Yazidi girl, known only as J., recalled that when she was sold to a new owner, “it was the man’s mother who escorted her to the hospital. ‘She told me, ‘If you are pregnant we are going to send you back.’ About 30 or 40 minutes later they came back to say I wasn’t pregnant.” The fighter’s mother triumphantly told her son that the 18-year-old was not pregnant, validating his right to rape her, which he did repeatedly.”

What all this testing for pregnancies, these contraceptives of every variety, these worries on the part of IS rapists, offers is insight into the way Muslims enslave themselves to the complex of rules regulating every area of Muslim life, including that of sexual slavery. If the rule exists, it must unswervingly be followed. If something is prescribed as halal or proscribed as haram, there need be no further discussion. No independent judgment as to its morality enters into it.

The New York Times reporter on IS calls this rule about pregnancy and unsuitability for rape a “medieval injunction”: “[a]ccording to an obscure ruling in Islamic law cited by the Islamic State, a man must ensure that the woman he buys is free of child before having intercourse with her.” To prove she is not pregnant, the slave must complete her “waiting period” – that is, must pass one menstrual period.

But this is not a “medieval injunction.” It derives from various Hadith, including this Hadith of Abu Dawud in the 9th century:

Abu Said al-Khudri said:  “The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain.  They met their enemy and fought with them.  They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess”.  That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.”  [The Quran verse is 4:24]. (Sunan Abu Dawud vol. 2, no. 2150).

The note on this Hadith says that “After the distribution of the spoils of war a man may have intercourse with the female slave after passing one menstrual period, if she is not pregnant.  If she is pregnant one should wait till she delivers the child.”

The Times reporter could have used the subject of sexual slavery and birth control to describe and explain the varying degrees of authority in Islam, with the Qur’an coming first, the Hadith second, the Sira third, in importance. She might have discussed what Hadith scholars or muhaddithin took into account – the isnad-chain — in assigning rank of “authenticity” to individual Hadith, and might then also have explained how Believers assigned a rank of “authoritativeness” to the collections of Hadith by various muhaddithin (with Bukhari and Muslim considered to be most “authoritative”). Then she could have talked about the Hadith-derived rules for Muslim slaveowners.

But more importantly, she might have held up for closer inspection the way True Believers observe the rules that regulate every aspect of a Muslim’s life, completely without concern for their moral content. All of these rapists who insist on “doing the right thing” Islamically, which means providing contraceptives to their victims to ensure that they can’t get pregnant during the time that they are being raped, all those Muslim mothers delighted to discover that their son’s chosen sex slave is not presently pregnant, thereby “validating his right to rape her,” all those Muslim rapists declaring that they are by their actions fulfilling a duty of ibadah or worship – these are the ingredients of the moral upside-down-cake of Muslim theology, and not only when it comes to sexual slavery.

They may behead every other day a baker’s dozen of Christians, they may burn bound prisoners alive, they may bomb churches and kill Yazidis and slit the throats of Shia to their hearts’ content, but don’t accuse the IS members of breaking an Islamic rule about not raping pregnant women. They have standards. They listen to a higher authority.

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  1. Peter Charles says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    islamists rapists are completely mad, and are incurable. They need to be put down as quickly as possible.

    • Sam says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 6:05 am

      Muslims are only crazy because there inbred.

      • Stephen says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 8:28 am

        It is bcos of what coran was written by One n the only One author was called Malik.

        Coran was Never inspired by God but Allah is Satan connected as one that mentioned in the coran.

      • panmelia says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 9:36 am

        They may be inbred, but that’s not what makes them crazy. The immoral and despicable cult they follow is forwarded directly from a murderous, sexually abusive psychopath fantasist who lived 1400 years ago. You couldn’t present this horror story as fiction because people would dismiss it as too far-fetched.

        There is no lower than low, no depths of cruel and wicked behaviour to which muslims will not sink if there is something in their filthy’religion’ that endorses it. They have abrogated their own moral sense and allowed a fantasy god to operate them like inhuman robots.

        That is why the Western world MUST reject islam and all it stands for instead of appeasing and excusing it. They already attack us, so what’s stopping us from making laws to eradicate islam from our countries? Stupidity on the part of cowardly and incompetent politicians that’s what. Time we had direct democracy and hear the will of the people.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 8:58 pm

          Panmelia wrote:

          They may be inbred, but that’s not what makes them crazy. The immoral and despicable cult they follow is forwarded directly from a murderous, sexually abusive psychopath fantasist who lived 1400 years ago.
          …………………..

          Very true, Panmelia.

      • Spot On says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 11:48 am

        Inbred, yes! …Probably with cockroaches.

        Someone needs to do the research on what kind of people were responsible for breading (or in-breading) the Satanic offspring named Mohammad. Surely these people were Satanic before Mohammad. Somehow they were inbred bad dudes going way back to prior ancient times and they likely were called “evil” long before Mohammad. Maybe the word “evil” was originally coined to describe them. These putrid people act much worse than predatory animals.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 9:02 pm

          Dark Ages barbarian Arab tribes were pretty violent and warlike. But it has been successive re-dedication to the horrific texts of Islam and the model of the foul “Prophet” that has led to the 1400-year horror of Islam.

  2. Wellington says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    What is imperative to understand above all is that male Islamic State adherents (sorry, can’t call them fighters since this would be an insult to true fighting men) are actually the best of Muslims in the sense that they follow Islamic dictates and the Model Man’s examples most assiduously. They are indeed the best of Muslims, which means they are just about the worst of human beings.

    Yes, the more devout not only in belief but action is the Muslim, the more barbaric is that person. Sadly, so many in the West have still not figured this out. And by now, there is no excuse for not having figured this out. In other words, the madness which is the continued exculpation of Islam continues.

    • Mockingjay says

      Mar 14, 2016 at 8:21 pm

      “In other words, the madness which is the continued exculpation of Islam continues.”
      Yes.
      For how much longer?
      FOR HOW MUCH LONGER???
      WHAT WILL IT TAKE???
      ???

      • Wellington says

        Mar 14, 2016 at 10:08 pm

        What will it take, Mockingjay? Sadly, I think it will take a lot more wounding and killing before mankind as a whole wraps its head around the reality that mankind actually did produce a major religion that is putrid to its very core (which, just from the standpoint of probabilities over millennia, should not really surprise anyone)

        In the meantime, this will entail, among other things, long lines at airports, a continuation of nauseating statements to the effect by Muslims and clueless dhimmis alike that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance and should be respected by all fair-minded people, that condemnation of Islam in general is evidence of a closed mind, blah, blah, blah, and similar nonsense along these lines. As an additional example of this line of “reasoning,” there is that extra stupid contention that all religions produce fanatics who maim and kill and so Islam should not be singled out here, never mind that Islam accounts for around 99% of terrorist actions carried out in the name of religion——-and in fulfilment no less, not in contradiction of, its major tenets, contra every other major religion on the planet.

        And I want to assert one other thing here and it is this: The Zuhdi Jassers, the Irshad Manjis, the Daniel Pipes of the world, though they mean well and are sincere about a good Islam lurking out there somewhere, are actually some of the greatest abettors of pure evil who could be found. I have no more time for anyone who asserts, a la Tony Blair, that there is a problem within Islam but not with Islam.

        Oh yes there is. Big time. Islam, all of it, IS THE PROBLEM. Virtually all of this religion is heinous and I have ceased patience with those who continue to search for a “good Islam’ out there, just as I would for those who would search for a good Nazism, a good Ku Klux Klan, a good anarchism, a good Marxism, etc. Yes, here my patience has reached its limits. Ain’t patient any longer with this terrible excuse masquerading as an argument.

        Any exculpation of a belief system which oozes hatred for those who don’t agree with it and calls for eternal war to be waged “until all religion is with Allah” {Sura 8:39}, is a belief system which needs to consigned to a metaphorical sewer for all time. By now one knows this or should know it. And Islam is a “sterling candidate” here. Actually, none more sterling.

        • Wellington says

          Mar 14, 2016 at 11:16 pm

          Don Spillman: I have actually met Daniel Pipes and know several who know him quite well. I can assure you that he really does believe in a good Islam lurking out there. No one could be more sincere.

          Though Jewish, Pipes has Muslim friends who have also convinced themselves that a good Islam can be found. I completely disagree with this, but I do not doubt Pipes’ and his “associates'” sincerity.

          BTW, Pipes is well learned in “Muslim issues.” He has a PhD in Islamic Studies from Harvard and is fluent in Arabic and thus has a detailed knowledge of Islamic history and theology. The fact, though, that he can actually believe that Islam is OK (one of the ways he argues this notion is that much of Sharia is applicable only to the seventh century——-which I myself completely reject as do so many Muslims living today) is dispositive to me that no amount of education can trump belief even though much evidence exists that completely thwarts such belief.

          So, Don, I think you are wrong. I have never met Jasser or Manji but I don’t doubt their sincerity either, as you do. Actually, I wish you were correct about these three. If so, things would be easier “to figure out.” But you are not correct I would vigorously argue and so the plot is even more convoluted than what one might suppose at first. Yes indeed, the plot thickens and all that. Meanwhile, the world burns.

        • mortimer says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 1:07 am

          Daniel Pipes is surely thinking that ‘lax’ or ‘non-compliant’ Islam is ‘moderate’. I would argue it is only moderately Muslim.

          The historical fact is that every time Muslims become a majority or a Muslim the ruler of a country, the Pact of Omar surfaces in all its hideous fascism.

          Islam can become ‘moderate’ only in the sense that it has a ‘lax’ period between two periods of jihad.

          This periodic cycle of jihad and ‘détente’ is also a normative cycle of Islam. The détente last only a short time before jihadism returns in force. In Islamic countries this ‘détente’ depends on having young and vigorous and ruthless dictator.

        • Mark Swan says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 6:11 am

          I do realize after 2001 how colleges found a niche in Islamic Studies.
          What I can not fathom is anyone who can read and write can stomach
          studying Islam in course work to the point of earning a Doctorate…
          a lengthy study into a Cult should prove to be very disturbing.

          Unless that person is completely cold blooded…what good could they
          say about Islam…I am sure they realize this is the Information Age.
          Many People without any formal education can be better educated
          than a college graduate and expect an honest answer to the question…
          have You read this Quran…If So What Do You Think Of It.

        • panmelia says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 9:54 am

          Who wants to listen to ‘sincere’ fools? The more sincere, the bigger the fools. We have eyes to see, ears to hear, the ability to read, think and judge for ourselves. So what if Pipes has a degree in islamic studies – does that make him more fit to evaluate islam objectively or less? I’d say less because he must have chosen islamic studies as a subject attractive and fascinating to him.
          Pipes being Jewish suggests to me that he suffers from some kind of Stockhausen syndrome, identifying with the abusers who want to destroy him and his people. Has he noticed all the attempts on Israelis’ lives recently and the islamics’ avowed aim to destroy Israel?
          All apologists for islam are traitors to the West and humanity in general. A Jewish apologist should hang his head in shame. The only ‘muslims’ worth listening to are those whose moral sense has asserted itself sufficiently to renounce islam and to speak against it loudly and relentlessly. That would be brave indeed!

        • Dacritic says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 9:15 pm

          Now that you mention Irshad Manji. I do not know which sect of Islam she appeared from. She was so hell bent on making Islam acceptable to the West that in a discussion with the loud-mouthed Mehdi Hassan, she said it was not necessary for Muslims to see Muhammad as a prophet. I thought…”Hello? If Muhammad isn’t a prophet, then there is no Islam, ma’am.”

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 9:19 pm

          Wellington, I very much agree with you about Dr. Pipes. I also had a chance to hear him speak a few years ago, and was overall quite impressed.

          There is no doubt that he is a brave Anti-Jihadist, and has actually done a great deal to educate about the threat of JIhad.

          His one blind spot–and it is of course a serious one–appears to be the possibility of Islam reforming itself. I think that he, like so many other good people, simply cannot fully accept the idea that the creed is irredeemable.

        • Wellington says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 10:34 pm

          Thanks for your comment, gravenimage. Folks like Don Spillman, though they mean well and do grasp the iniquity which is Islam, ironically are intolerant of those who disagree with them, thus bitterly ironically emulating Islamic intolerance, as evidenced by Spillman’s comments here. Yep, it’s his way or you are wrong—–and engaging in your own taqiyya no less.

          As for Pipes, he goes the whole way except the “last step,” as you too noticed. Ditto for someone like Jasser. These two are good men but they are doing a disservice to freedom (and truth) by insisting to this day that Islam can reform. No, it cannot.

        • Wellington says

          Mar 16, 2016 at 2:07 pm

          Don Spillman:I didn’t claim you were deceitful but I did indicate that you were intolerant. I mean look at your 11:59 P.M. post of March 15th where you wrote “Taqiyya, very good taqiyya. NO I am not wrong…..” Later on in this same post you wrote that anyone who has read the amount you have about Islam will come to the same conclusion as you have. Your 10:27 P.M. post of the 14th conveys the same refusal to even consider the possibility that someone who thinks Islam can be reformed (and who has read a great deal about it) is doing anything but lying.

          Well, this is just not the case. I know for a fact that Pipes thinks there is a good Islam out there, that he is extremely well read and he is not engaging in any kind of taqiyya. How Pipes can continue to think this is beyond me (Zuhdi Jasser too) but I don’t doubt his sincerity. Pipes is no liar. He is wrong in my opinion that Islam can be reformed, that there is hope for it, but this doesn’t translate into the only possibility being one of mendacity on his part. But you won’t even consider this. Nope, not a possibility in your mind. See what I mean?

          As for religious belief, I have absolutely none. One can’t be religious if one does not have faith and I have no faith. All things are examined by me using my reason and so I come to conclusions via the philosophical and scientific routes but never the religious route. I accept nothing on faith. For me, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

          Now, while not religious in the least, I am not anti-religion except for Islam (and a few whacky minor religions like Satanism). I believe religion plays a valuable role in society if a good religion. Personally, and as I have written before here at JW, I admire Christianity and Judaism the most because they place such an emphasis on the dignity and worth of the individual and thus go very well with democratic tenets. Buddhism and Hinduism are fine and subtle, certainly no threat to democracy, but they don’t value the individual as much and I simply don’t believe in multiple lives. Islam, of course, is wretched. Well, I suppose it was almost inevitable that mankind would end up with a religion that was rotten to the core. Mankind did. Mankind got Islam.

          BTW, I am not an atheist. I admit the possibility that there is some kind of higher power but my exploration of this possibility is a philosophical, not a religious, one. After all, the concept of God, of some kind of supreme being, is not just a religious matter. One thing that does turn me off about almost all religions is that, contra philosophy and science, religion uses fear to insure belief. One is going to burn in Hell, come back as a cow or a carrot, be obliterated, etc., if one doesn’t believe this, that or the other thing. Sorry, but this is wrong. I would also mention that, a la David Hume, no miracle can be accepted unless the natural, non-religious explanation for a reputed miracle (including all biblical prophecies) would be even more extraordinary than the miraculous explanation. As examples, Jesus being born in Bethlehem or rising from the dead, each of which can be explained without resort to any miraculous event occurring. Respecting the first example, the later writers of the Gospels simply placed the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem even though it is highly probable that he was born somewhere in Galilee in order to fulfill a biblical prophecy. Respecting the second example, all kinds of logical explanations could be proffered, for example the body was never placed in the tomb to begin with, there was a secret passage to the tomb, the Roman guards were bribed, the Roman guards were drunk (or both of these last two), et al. No one can provide me with a single miraculous event (including prophecies) for which I cannot find a non-miraculous explanation. In order to accept miracles you have to have faith. As I already indicated, I have none.

          I close here by wishing you well. I didn’t mean to irritate you but I simply can’t let stand an assertion I know to be fallacious. There really are people who have read a great deal about Islam and think it can be reformed. I am not one of those persons and I know you are not as well, but such people do exist. I can’t explain it but then I can’t explain why someone has religious faith but I am faced with the fact that untold millions do. Take care.

        • Wellington says

          Mar 16, 2016 at 3:12 pm

          Don Spillman: Thanks for your reply. You know, I don’t think we’re really far apart at all, if at all. The way I have occasionally put it is that in order to reform Islam you would have to gut it like a fish. There just wouldn’t be much left. I have also noted at JW that there is nothing good in Islam that can’t be found elsewhere and yet there is much bad in Islam that is difficult to find anywhere else, so what’s the point of keeping it around at all?

          I’m glad we cleared up this temporary bad blood between us since you and I both despise Islam and thus all other matters are secondary. Now, back to the fight, eh?

        • Wellington says

          Mar 16, 2016 at 5:28 pm

          That’s a great quote by Mann and I agree with it. I also agree that sometimes there are no shades of grey, just black and white. But I would add here that in order for Mann’s statement to be applicable a person has to know something is evil and that person still tolerates it. What if the person doesn’t know something is evil and tolerates it?

          Of course, there is also that maxim in the law that a person knows or should know that a particular something is against the law. Ignorance is no excuse and neither is a dearth of common sense. It perplexes me that someone like Pipes can’t see the wickedness which Islam is, ditto for Zuhdi Jasser. In essence I don’t doubt their sincerity but I do very much doubt their judgment. Oops, I may have stumbled unintentionally into a shade of grey here even though I didn’t mean to.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 16, 2016 at 6:09 pm

          Great comments from Wellington and Don Spilman. I stand with you both!

          And here is Dr. Pipes’ site:

          http://www.danielpipes.org/

          You can see he is spot-on when talking about Jihad itself–but falls into trying to distinguish between “Islamists” and supposed moderates at others.

          Not perfect, certainly–yet I can’t help thinking that if most Westerners had Daniel Pipes’ understanding of the Jihad threat–even if they went no further in their grasp of Islam itself–that we would be in a *much* better position than we are at present.

        • Wellington says

          Mar 16, 2016 at 6:27 pm

          I agree with your statement about Pipes, gravenimage. If the worst we did was having people like him, the West would be definitely in better shape. But we’re not even at this point—-yet.

          I would also like to comment here on a specific matter of tolerance of evil and that is a distinction I think that has to be drawn between tolerance of evil belief versus tolerance of evil action. The former should exist in a free society, while the later should not. For instance, the KKK is a heinous organization but they should be allowed to exist and members of this organization should be allowed to believe what they want, including expressing themselves publicly respecting what they believe, but what should never be allowed is permitting KKK members to do what they did in the past where blacks (and others like Catholics) are concerned. Of course, the ultimate “problem” with Islam in our time is that it has yet to be almost universally looked upon as evil. Should this occur (it had better at some future date and we’re in huge trouble for an indefinite time) then Muslim belief can be tolerated in free societies but so many different Muslim actions will not be, as with the KKK. BTW, I never mind bringing up the KKK and Islam together since both are full of hate for certain groups of mankind, only the grouping is a variable here.

          As always, I welcome your informed comments here at JW. You shine light on truth with great diligence and knowledge and I very much admire you for this. Take care, pal.

        • Wellington says

          Mar 16, 2016 at 6:32 pm

          Again I think I type too fast many times. It should be “latter: and not “later.” Also, it should be “or” and not “and” where I wrote “it had better at some future date and {sic} we’re in huge trouble for……”

        • Wellington says

          Mar 16, 2016 at 7:26 pm

          Thanks for that link, Don. Indeed, socialism is really just Marxism in disguise often times and Marxism’s essence of evil is that it calls for the violent elimination of both the middle and upper classes. Notice that Marxism (or “Marxism Light” which is socialism) singles out certain groups of human beings for violent elimination or at least demonization which often leads to brutal elimination one way or another, just as Islam and Nazism do, only, once again I will state, the only variable is what groups are being single out for second-class status or death.

        • Wellington says

          Mar 16, 2016 at 9:03 pm

          I agree with you again, Don, per your 7:40 P.M. post of today. As I have mentioned before here at JW, I wish virtually all Muslims were radical, i.e., fully devout, in their belief and not moderate, i.e. a la Spencer, lazy Muslims. The so-called moderate Muslims are actually the greater problem because they give the totalitarian ideology which is Islam cover.

          I prefer a Muslim “fully devout,” no chaser. More pain in the short term but better in the long term.

      • John says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 8:32 am

        Someone must check the entire whole coran n delete some verses which totally absurd with Lies all the times

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 9:20 pm

          John, the Qur’an with all its violent Suras removed would be a slim volume indeed.

    • Mike Crouch says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 6:16 am

      You are right

      Our Prime Minister, David Cameron and President Obama keep telling is that this has nothing to do with the ‘real’ Islam, and that the majority are as ‘horrified’ as the rest of us by what ISIS are doing.

      Are they? I don’t hear it,

      I see significant numbers trying to get to the middle east to join them and many seem to be supporting the ideological base upon which ISIS operate if not openly supporting it. I hear few, if any, Muslims condemning ISIS, and yet we continue to obfuscate and appease this ideology, while continuing to vilify those, like Robert Spencer, who speak up against it.

      • Carolyne says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 11:15 am

        Yes, we do hear one Muslim denying that ISIS is really Islamic. That person is Barack Hussein Obama. I don’t know about Cameron’s motives. Money, I suspect..

  3. Champ says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    IS *is* islam and sexual perversion is replete within this evil ideology–beginning, but not ending with, muhammad. Too bad islam didn’t die along with this notorious criminal, muhammad …

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Islam is a sleezy death cult which lies about everything they do. They are set up by Muhammad who was a pedophile sex maniac and murderer and now we see why he was killed.”

    https://youtu.be/hF5ogqAew-E

    • Champ says

      Mar 14, 2016 at 8:22 pm

      https://youtu.be/hF5ogqAew-E

      • Angemon says

        Mar 14, 2016 at 9:15 pm

        Eh eh, David Wood is always at the top of his game 😀

        • Champ says

          Mar 14, 2016 at 10:28 pm

          Indeed, Angemon! …and with such appropriate humor mocking the man whom started it all.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 9:23 pm

          I love David Woods’ humor and wit–and yet, he never minimizes the threat of Islam. He is a treasure!

      • eduardo odraude says

        Mar 14, 2016 at 10:48 pm

        Here’s is David Wood’s brilliant super short version of that video about who killed Muhammad.

    • Andy says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 9:14 am

      As a student of the Holy Bible I know this one thing: The Almighty, Creator God of the Bible states this to His chosen ones, both the OT and the NT: I am your God…I will do everything for you because I made you and I love you as your heavenly Father! To the contrary…the book of Islam called the Koran teaches Muslims that they must DO everything to please Allah–the god of Islam. In order to please Allah Muslims can do anything as long as what’s done pleases him or is in Allah’s favour. So lying, cheating, raping etc, etc are all good if what’s done promotes the schemes of Allah which are contained in the Hadiths.

  4. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    “But this is not a “medieval injunction.” It derives from various Hadith, including this Hadith of Abu Dawud in the 9th century: …”

    If this hadith comes from the 9th century (A.D. 801 to A.D. 900), it *is* medieval. The term “medieval” means “of the Middle Ages”, which lasted from A.D. 476 (the fall of Rome) to about A.D. 1450 (when the Renaissance started up). Muhammad (pbuh) lived entirely during the Middle Ages; he is our medieval “uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil”.

    This message has been brought to you by Pedants R Us.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 14, 2016 at 9:40 pm

      Mark, you are correct. But I believe what Hugh Fitzgerald means is that the Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira are considered by Muslims to be *valid for all time*–these injunctions are not considered to be of their time, but to apply just the same today.

      • Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 12:09 am

        Hello, Graven.
        Yes, I understand your point. By the way, thanks for putting me on to the whyislam.org people. If you wish, contact Robert to get in touch with me and I can report on my interaction with a dawahist of theirs about isbaal.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 9:32 pm

          Hi Mark. You can get in touch with Robert Spencer by leaving a message in the “Contact JIhad Watch” box at the right-hand side or bottom of the page (depending on how your screen is configured). He is a busy man, though–sometimes he has time to reply; sometimes not.

          But I know that I and probably lots of other people here would be interested in your experience with these vile Da’wa artists.

    • Carolyne says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 11:20 am

      He is our “Al-Insane” What???

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 9:34 pm

        Al-Insān al-Kāmil–“the person who has reached perfection”, applied to the vile “Prophet” Muhammed.

        I love the waggish Infidel “translation” as “the insane camel”.

  5. Ciudadano says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    “According to an obscure ruling in Islamic law,…”

    It’s outrageous how some journalist manage to omit any mention of Hadiths, Quoran or history of Islam that justify raping and sex slavery. This deliberate omission of relevant information is telling. Obviously they don’t want their audience to know the full truth. I hate when MSM does that.

    No wonder most comments are generic uninformed BS like “all religions are the same”, “Christians also rape”, “Misogynist men are the same everywhere…” bla, bla, bla.

  6. jewdog says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    The only way (outside of physical annihilation) to defeat this evil system is to posit an alternative vision of life which will be able to compete with it. Unfortunately, today’s elites are too insecure in their own beliefs to do that.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 14, 2016 at 9:44 pm

      Actually, the civilized Judeo-Christian and secular culture of the West is *far* superior to Islam. But you are quite right that due to “political correctness” and an unearned sense of free-floating guilt, all too many in the West are ashamed of their advanced societies.

      We should not just oppose the horrors of Islam, as important as that is, but champion our own fine values.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 9:40 pm

        Don, I am not uncritical of the shortcomings of secular society–but for all its issues even *as is* it is much superior to Islam.

        The idea–often bandied about–that Islam is successful because it is somehow more “meaningful” than Western culture is simply not the case.

        And much of secular culture in the West is still informed by Judeo-Christian morality, even if imperfectly.

  7. mortimer says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    Rape is normative Islam, rather than an aberration. The first caliph of Islam approved rape as a reward.

    Summary of Rape Trial of Khalid

    Khalid ibn Walid became the greatest general of early Islam under Mohammed and then Caliph Abu Bakr. During the great Arabian Apostasy War, Khalid was sent to suppress rebellion against the caliphate and force former Muslims to pay taxes. Khalid arrested the rebel Malik, declared him a rebel and an apostate and ordered his execution. Thereupon, he raped Malik’s widow, Layla bint al-Minhal. This rape created controversy, though it is what Mohammed did himself. Some officers of his army believed that Khalid killed Malik to take his wife. Once back in Medina, Khalid was called by Caliph Abu Bakr to explain himself. ‘Umar told Khalid: “You enemy of Allâh! You killed a Muslim man and thereafter took his wife. By Allâh, I will stone you”.

    Abu Bakr dismissed the complaint against Khalid by deciding that raping the wife was licit on the grounds that Malik had left Islam and was an apostate-kafir. This shows Abu Bakr accepted that raping kafir women at war with Islam is normative Islam, rather than an aberration.

  8. celticwarriorcanada says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    muslim male : not a human , not an animal , what the Hell is It ? But not all muslim males are Rapists like this ! No Your Right ! But Lots Of Them Would Be, If They Could Be; Because The Koran Tells Them To Be !!!

    • Carolyne says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 11:31 am

      IMO Muslims are a branch of humanoid which was isolated on the deserts and did not evolve as others did elsewhere. In other places Neanderthals died out and were replaced by the ancestors of present day humans. Muslims are a sort of Neanderthal who raped and pillaged at will.
      They still do. They call it a religion. They still have the vestiges of over-all hairy bodies on their shoulders and backs.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 10:00 pm

        Carolyne wrote:

        IMO Muslims are a branch of humanoid which was isolated on the deserts and did not evolve as others did elsewhere…
        ……………………

        I can see why you would think this, Carolyne. But there are several factors that show this is not the case: firstly, there are Arab Christians who don’t behave like this; likewise, Muslim apostates do not act like this, even if they also came from areas where cousin marriage is rife (think of someone like Ayyan Hirsi Ali); and finally, converts to Islam are just like this even if they came from populations with healthy gene pools.

        And then, Muslims and civilized humans clearly can interbreed. We are not separate species.

        And often civilized Infidels and savage Muslim populations can be quite closely related, as for instance with Indian Hindus and Pakistani Muslims. Thai, Philippine, and Nigerian Muslims are clearly more closely related genetically to their non-Muslim brethren than they are to Middle Eastern Muslims–yet they behave just like them.

        Inbreeding sure as hell does not help. It can lead to disease and birth defects, and there is evidence that it can be a factor in low IQ. But it does not seem to intrinsically affect moral sense.

        What is happening here is attachment to an evil creed. As we have seen with cases like Nazism, a real embrace of it can completely destroy the adherent’s ethics.

        • linnte says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 10:22 pm

          And Hebrews are genetically the same as Arabs. But I wonder why it is that Muslim men seem so ugly to me? I am the last person to call someone ugly, especially because I myself am no beauty and never have been, so it’s an issue with me. But these guys repulse me! Their eyes are odd and truly, as an artist and a Nurse, they look different. Weird.

        • bernie says

          Mar 15, 2016 at 10:47 pm

          It’s also similar how a certain mix of Zen Buddhism, extreme Shintoism and Japanese utlra-nationalism and racism caused many of the Japanese to behave in a similarly depraved way before and during World War 2.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 16, 2016 at 6:25 pm

          linnte, bernie, and Don, all good points.

          linnte, regarding ugliness, I have noticed that as well. Look at apostates–you can often tell them by their eyes–they don’t have that dead “shark eyes” look that devout Muslims do. And converts *to* Islam often adopt that same vicious demeanor. I think this is a clear case of thoughts–good or evil–strongly effecting someones mien, even if it cannot change their looks per se.

          And bernie, you are right–there are a handful of other creeds that have been just as ugly as Islam–Fascism and hard-core Communism come to mind. But Islam is one of the ugliest, and one of the most thorough in destroying an adherent’s conscience if they adopt it fully.

          And Don, I could not agree more about Ayyan Hirsi Ali. I’ve read her books and had a chance to hear her speak in San Francisco a few years ago.

          I have a series–though I have rather neglected it of late–called “Heroes Against Jihad”. I’ve featured Wafa Sultan, Brigitte Gabriel, Kurt Westergaard, and Geert Wilders, and recently added Charlie Hebdo editor Stéphane Charbonnier (Charb).

          I plan to add Ayyan Hirsi Ali soon.

          http://s478.photobucket.com/user/gravenimageartist/library/?sort=3&page=1

  9. linnte says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    I don’t think “making sure the slave is not pregnant” has anything to do with pregnancy. I think it has to do with parentage. If the girl has not yet been raped by her new owner, but she is pregnant and delivers a child, that gives her owner TWO people to sell. If she gets raped, is pregnant, but the owner didn’t wait to see if she was pregnant before raping her, then he would possibly be the father, which places that child in a whole new category. Jmo

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 10:02 pm

      You are quite right, linnte.

  10. eduardo odraude says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    The rule about the waiting period also no doubt has to do with Qur’an 65:4 and 33:49. A waiting period is required so that if the female eventually has a child, there is no ambiguity about who the father is, and thus no ambiguity about the Islamic laws applicable to fatherhood, inheritance, etc..
    http://quotingislam.blogspot.com/2011/06/islamic-scholars-explanations-of-quran.html

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 10:02 pm

      Yes.

  11. billybob says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    Rape, murder, anything goes as long as they follow the rituals to the letter. A sort of compulsive group psychosis, just like where one dares not step on a crack, or hand washing mania, or tourette’s syndrome where one repeat inane phrases. One mistake lets the doubts start creeping in. Even highly trained professional soldiers break up after they first kill. It’s not like in the movies. Soldiers are only human in the end. Only their training and discipline makes them capable of killing, that and bonding with their unit, to protect each other. But soldiers are not equipped with the group psychosis Muhammad provided his companions. The endless prayers and rituals within rituals and the jinn on your shoulder constantly watching you. Never a moment to think or reflect on what you are doing. That is how they submerge all traces of their humanity into the Ummah, and give it over to Allah. That is how they have their cake and eat it too.

    How to destroy them? Simple – prevent them from doing their rituals. Put them in a float tank in isolation without stimulation to confront their demons within. Their own evil deeds will emerge to confront them and destroy them.

    • vcragain says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 6:31 am

      I think you really have something there…preventing them from following all that nonsense may well be the route to sanity..their own built-in sense of right & wrong, based on what they know they would not like, would probably take over. I would love to see an experiment done on that concept !

    • Jay Boo says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 7:13 am

      Muhammad used to drink camel urine.
      Notice that they don’t do that so religiously.

      Let us not pretend that they know no better because they are brainwashed by Islam.
      Muslims are not the victims here.

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 7:15 am

        Muslim rapists are not the victims here.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 10:04 pm

        Drinking camel urine is still pretty popular with Muslims. Disgusting, and of no efficacy. Positively benign compared to sacralized rape, though.

  12. billybob says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    This just in…

    2 Canadian Forces members attacked at Toronto recruitment centre
    “terrorism is one of the possible motives that they are “strongly looking at at this point and time,” but it’s early in the investigation.”
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/2-canadian-forces-members-attacked-at-toronto-recruitment-centre-1.2817304

  13. Dan Jones says

    Mar 14, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    Sick followers of the pedophile…

    More End Time News At:
    http://www.shininginthedark.com/?page_id=6088

  14. Hindu Nastik says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 12:36 am

    The reason that the women should not be pregnant, I think, is because there should not be confusion over the paternity of the child, ie who is the father.

  15. brian464 says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 12:52 am

    The Koran is not more powerful than the bible since
    the Koran is not able to make muslims do according to its teachings anymore than the bible is able to make Jews commit genocide as commanded in Deuteronomy 20:16-18

    FOR DETAILS ABOUT NON-MILITANT INTERVENTIONIST POLICIES AS A MUCH BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO PROFIT DRIVEN WARS OR CONFLICTS:

    http://worldpeacethroughworldwidedisarmament.blogspot.com/2013/07/911-attacks-could-have-been-prevented.html

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 10:19 pm

      What an absolute load of crap. The idea that if only we completely disarm that Jihadists will leave us alone is delusional *at best* and a call for surrender to Islam at worst.

      Claiming that the US–which, incidentally, was not at war with any Muslim nation in 2001–somehow *deserved* the appalling attacks of 9/11 is just sickening calumny.

      And why? According to this creep, because of injustices done Native Americans well over a hundred years ago, and–worse–because we dared to *oppose Fascism*. As this sick bastard would have it, civilians in the World Trade Center deserved their terrible deaths because we dared liberate the Nazi death camps fifty-five years earlier.

      What sane person believes that Jihadists are only targeting us because we dared make the world safe from Hitler?

      This also does not explain why Jihadists are also targeting Thailand, the Philippines, India, the Middle East, North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, and Latin America.

      • linnte says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 10:25 pm

        BRAVO GRAVEN!!!!

      • bernie says

        Mar 15, 2016 at 10:58 pm

        Graven: good comment. I also saw a good reply to some jihadists who cite the A-bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: “The extremist Muslims don’t really care about the Japanese who died in the A-bombings, since most of them were polytheistic Shintoists, or Buddhists, or Christians (most Japanese Catholics and Protestants lived in Nagasaki; there were also some Korean and Western Christians in the two cities at the time).” True, there were very few if any Muslims who were killed in Japan at that time, when the U.S. was striking Japanese cities.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 16, 2016 at 6:30 pm

        Thanks, linnte and bernie.

        And bernie, you are quite right about how Taqiyya artists use the use of the A-bomb at the tail end of WWII to demand that we roll over for Jihad. You will find that very “argument” in the mendacious article brian464 links to.

  16. citycat says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 1:12 am

    Sex is the Law
    Sex under fear

    makes sense
    with respect to producing baby souls for Allah
    no point in raping a pregnant girl, no more babies will be produced for Allah there,
    makes sense to rape girls that will produce babies for Allah,
    Like all narcissists, the writers of the Qur’an do not want love between the devotees, all love must go to Allah,
    hence the prayer is more holy than the rape, because the contract confirms the surrender of the devotee to Allah.
    The prayer is loving Allah first, before the sacrifice of the baby to
    The one time top pagan beast human cross Vampire that can’t ascend to the higher realms, and needs humanity to be kept down for its own consumption of souls.
    Simple

    • brian464 says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 1:16 am

      @citycat, you are referring to criminals who are present in every religious and non-religious community around the world

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 10:23 pm

      brian464 wrote:

      @citycat, you are referring to criminals who are present in every religious and non-religious community around the world
      ……………………

      No he isn’t. Non-Muslim rapists don’t sacralize their crimes. They are also much rarer than Muslim rapists, seldom gathering in groups at all, and then no larger than, say, gangs. They don’t build open networks of sex slavery.

      It is only under Islam that such rape is practiced openly and sanctioned by society.

  17. davej says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 1:52 am

    Sick, sick, sick. Deeply sick.

    Islam is designed to be the perfect “religion” – it promotes and allows the most bestial of male behaviors (the acolytes love it), while suppressing the women to the point that the entire cult hierarchy is exclusively male. Then claim that the murder and abuse is devotional. Because Allah is pleased by their witlessness and cruelty, apparently.

    Follow by killing anyone who disagrees or tries to just leave and you are on your way to the most widespread pathological testosterone-fueled genocidal inferno that mankind has ever seen.

    Makes the NFL and Grand Prix look pale by comparison.

  18. davej says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 1:57 am

    ETA: Meant to include Hitler, Stalin and Genghis Khan with the NFL and Grand Prix.

  19. citycat says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 2:50 am

    Genghis Khan
    eh
    He was a geyser.
    I heard a muslim insulted him, and so Genghis went on a revenge spree.

  20. andrew sapia says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 4:23 am

    What is the free world going to do about this? I hope there are people out there documenting as much of this as possible and that when they are eventually defeated these men are put on trial and put in prison for a long time and not sent to their whore house in the sky, that would be a blessing for them. Although in reality they are going straight to hell.

  21. vcragain says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 6:24 am

    “the Quran not only gave him the right to rape her….” –
    i sat here & cried for the ladies so horribly treated, do these ghastly males have no idea what they are doing ? This is SATAN pure & simple. I am not religious but if there is a Satanic being, then these people are owned by him ! I cannot believe that ANY human being actually can think that this behavior is anything but evil – even the most ‘primitive’ little Amazonian tribes do not behave like this – they have spirit religions, but they do not do this sort of thing. So I believe that human beings are at heart NOT like this, yet here are people with absolutely NO respect for those not of their group. Why do male Muslims have this sick preoccupation with sex – it makes me feel sick ! Why is the Muslim world not expressing total DISGUST with this ? We all know why – it is all in their ‘book’, the book of disgrace, the book of filth.

  22. Jay Boo says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 7:07 am

    vcragain said
    “do these ghastly males have no idea what they are doing ?”

    That is MORT 101 logic

    YES, YES, and double YES — Islam is not the reason but merely their pathetic EXCUSE.
    They are Muslims; this is what Muslims do.

    They know exactly what they are doing.
    Muhammad knew what he was doing when he raped a 9 year old girl as well as numerous sex slaves.

    Don’t be fooled for a minute.
    Despite what commenters like MORTIMER will claim otherwise, Muslims are to be held accountable and know full well their selfish actions are reprehensible but do them any way using Muhammad’s disgraceful example as their despicable EXCUSE.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 16, 2016 at 6:36 pm

      Jay Boo–with all respect–I’m not sure why you are going after poster Mortimer so doggedly, especially since you were not even responding to a comment of his here.

      Mortimer is a solid Anti-Jihadist, and does *not* defend Muslim savagery.

      The one point I do disagree with him on is the idea that Westerners can somehow easily “deprogram” Muslims from their adherence to their ugly creed–but I think that is more misplaced optimism on his part than any sort of apologia for their barbarism.

      Apart from this disagreement, hope you are well.

  23. Florida Jim says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 11:29 am

    Muslims are disgusting and infect everywhere they go and soon become unwelcome but won’t leave until the jihad begins.It was a mistake to allow even one into any civilized country they are barbarians led by ignorant imams and a pervert.

  24. Mubarak says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 12:21 pm

    Well, we can all ejaculate our comments on Islam in all its Rorschach versions. But who can help these moonstruck children in their transcendental rage and demonic mother fixation?

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 10:32 pm

      The repulsive Mubarak wrote:

      Well, we can all ejaculate our comments on Islam in all its Rorschach versions. But who can help these moonstruck children in their transcendental rage and demonic mother fixation?
      …………………………………

      Mubarak is the same creep who said that European women deserved to be molested and raped on NYE because there was a woman in Cologne who protested the rapes in the nude the next day. I find nude protest silly and inappropriate, but to consider is worse that rape is grotesque.

      He also said we should give thanks for Muslim rapefugees because they would do away with risque adverts.

      I’m sure he’s actually fine with Muslims raping these ‘filthy Infidels’. *Ugh*.

      • Mubarak says

        Mar 16, 2016 at 4:30 am

        Can’t you shut up the perpetual parrot on your left shoulder for a moment, “gravenimage”?
        And by the way, I am not against public nakedness, as I have already stated. If it is of the same stature and conveys an equally serious message as the nakedness of the prophet Isaiah and his equals, I’m all for it.
        But a hysterical, gooselike feminist from pussy riot should be damned black and fly to the moon on her broom to the tune of a cream-faced loon, in my opinion.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 16, 2016 at 8:50 pm

          The appalling Mubarak wrote:

          Can’t you shut up the perpetual parrot on your left shoulder for a moment, “gravenimage”?
          …………………………

          Nonsense–all my convictions are my own, and not that of anyone else.

          What Mubarak is almost certainly referring to is the Qarīn, where Mohammedans believe an “angel”–of the same vicious ilk as Jibreel–sits on one’s right shoulder, and a Djinn on one’s left.

          The Djinn supposedly leads one to disagree with Islam–in this case, to oppose Mubarak’s vicious coreligionists raping little Yezidi girls.

          More:

          And by the way, I am not against public nakedness, as I have already stated. If it is of the same stature and conveys an equally serious message as the nakedness of the prophet Isaiah and his equals, I’m all for it.
          …………………………

          This is odd, since Mubarak has never said this that I have seen. The “nakedness” of the prophet Isiah almost certainly referred not to actual nudity, but his poverty in not having an outer garment.

          Moreover, Mubarak several times singled out this nude protester. Since the only thing that set her apart was her nudity, one must assume that this was what he found objectionable.

          But let’s put that aside, and take Mubarak at his most recent word that he had no problem with her nudity.

          All we know about this woman is that she was protesting Muslims molesting and raping women in Cologne, and that she was doing so in the nude.

          So if he does not object to her nudity, he must–*far worse*–be objecting to her taking issues with Muslims raping Infidel women.

          More:

          But a hysterical, gooselike feminist from pussy riot should be damned black and fly to the moon on her broom to the tune of a cream-faced loon, in my opinion.
          …………………………

          Mubarak appears to be in part misquoting Shakespeare here–oddly, quoting MacBeth in his last stages of betraying and homicidal madness–perhaps this is telling.

          In any case, its message is quite clear: that any woman who protests Muslim rape is “hysterical”, and is a “loon”.

          And why not? Under Shari’ah, no Infidel woman would be allowed to complain about Muslim rape.

          And as a pious Mohammedan would have it, she deserves to be damned for daring to mention it. *Ugh*.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 16, 2016 at 10:07 pm

          Thanks, Don!

      • Mubarak says

        Mar 18, 2016 at 6:28 am

        If a female dress and behave like a poodle in heat or a self hating flagellant with tattoos and piercings, she either loves her self too much or too little and in either case not in the right way. And these women abound in the West. What I suggest to you is that the harassment and worse of these women by Muslims could be an outward expression of an inward harassment and rape, that has already been perpetrated by these women against themselves greatly supported and encouraged by our culture and especially what is left of it, and when these female leftovers meet with the male culture from the east something unwanted is very likely to take place.
        I don’t condone it, I just try to understand it and provoke you to do the same.

        • linnte says

          Mar 18, 2016 at 7:28 pm

          It just dawned on me you are using the same name as the ousted Egyptian President Mubarack.

          Mu, wrap you head around this- women are as free as men in Western Civilization. If it’s hot outside, we remove hot clothing, just like men do. Shorts and t-shirts are comfortable. Tight “sausage” leggings are comfortable. The Burqua on the other hand must be a hothouse in the summer. Yet Muslim men can wear airy shirts of gause and airy skirt/pants. It’s called EQUALITY. And equality in everything. Women who wear clothes that bother YOU aren’t loose or sluts. That is YOUR opinion, not theirs. But Muslim men want CONTROL and you use your Prophet as an excuse to feel powerful. Real power is in self control, not rape. I remind you again that rape or sexual harassment are crimes of hate (which stems from feeling powerless), and have nothing to do with God. Hate is not power, but a weakness!

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 30, 2016 at 6:44 pm

          More from the repellent Mubarak:

          If a female dress and behave like a poodle in heat or a self hating flagellant with tattoos and piercings, she either loves her self too much or too little and in either case not in the right way. And these women abound in the West.
          ………………………………….

          What crap. Muslim rapists were not singling out women with tattoos and piercings when they were molesting any woman out on NYE.

          And they would have had no right even if this were the case. Mubarak, like most vicious Mohammedans, has no understanding that *no one should be molested*.

          It does not matter if he, or I, or any of his rapist coreligionists like how someone is dressed, or whether they believe they love each other too much, or too little, or in the right or wrong way–no one has the right to molest or rape them.

          This is an elemental concept recognized by civilized people–but not by fascistic Mohammedans.

          More:

          What I suggest to you is that the harassment and worse of these women by Muslims could be an outward expression of an inward harassment and rape, that has already been perpetrated by these women against themselves…
          ………………………………….

          More crap. No–these women being harassed and raped by Muslims is not “an outward expression of inward harassment and rape”–instead, it is an outward expression of the presence of rapist Muslims in the West.

          As has been pointed out here many times, Muslims do not care if their victims are Western party girls or Yezidi schoolgirls–as long as they are Infidels, they are fair game for rapist Muslims.

          More:

          …greatly supported and encouraged by our culture and especially what is left of it, and when these female leftovers meet with the male culture from the east something unwanted is very likely to take place.
          I don’t condone it, I just try to understand it and provoke you to do the same.
          ………………………………….

          More and more crap. These women are not raping Muslims–Muslims are raping them. Muslims believe any Kuffar women are appropriate rape victims.

          As for his assertion that Muslims raping us is “unwanted”, that is only true for us–he himself has *lauded* his fellow Muslims raping us.

  25. Truth Seeker says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 1:20 pm

    Islamic Jannah is Sex and Liquor Den. People venture to be suicide Jihadis only to get instantaneous entry to Jannah. If such a Jihadi is provided that facility on the earth, how can he refuse?
    Rapists might have told the girl that she will also get Jannah for her act is Sex jihad.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 16, 2016 at 8:53 pm

      Nope–it’s only sex Jihad if the girl is Muslim. No Jannah for her. Just being raped by pious Mohammedans and then going to hell if they kill her.

      God, I hate Islam.

      • brian464 says

        Mar 17, 2016 at 1:28 am

        @Gravenimage, do you know any muslims ?

        • linnte says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 2:41 am

          Here is that question again! Hahaha! What kind of book do you read Brian? Fiction, fantacy, sci-fi, hunting books? If you read, say, Terry Pratchett, and all the books in a series of his wouldn’t you say, by the time you were finished with the series, that you almost know the characters? It’s the same reading the Qur’an, Hadith and other Islamic books like Sharia Law. When you finish these books that Muslims follow, and some follow to the LETTER, you know their modus operandi. Of course each individual has different human aspects. Some are Arabic, some African, some European Caucasian, but because these books control every aspect of their lives(and if they are not following as Qur’an says they should they are considered apostate), you know how they believe/think and therefore how they will act and react to a situation. Read the books Brian.

        • Champ says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 3:28 am

          Brain asks:

          @Gravenimage, do you know any muslims ?

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          What does knowing any muslims have to do with hating islam? …islam is evil, violent and intolerant, so what’s to hate? / sarc.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 30, 2016 at 6:52 pm

          I’ve had Muslims admit to me that Islam allows wife beating, and that Christians deserve to be slaughtered by “Jesus” in the Last Days because they “lied” about him being the Son of God.

          So–yes, I do.

      • Champ says

        Mar 17, 2016 at 3:38 am

        Oops: Brian, not Brain …

  26. The awful truth says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 1:31 pm

    An Islamic scholar said on the radio that “mercy is so important in Islam that it is said Allah divided mercy into 100 portions and kept 99 for himself before giving the rest to” people. Does this explain why men have so little mercy? In any case mercy is too loaded – it means stepping back from punishing. Presumably Allah loves punishment as well. This is not compassion, this is worse than animals who act with more rational objectives.

  27. Karen says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 3:38 pm

    Ignorance is certainly bliss when it comes to Islamic law. If I were a Muslim, I’d want to avoid all serious study of any of it – its demands are inhuman.

  28. Fessitude says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    Hugh wrote: “The IS fighters have been taught that because these Yazidi girls practice a religion other than Islam, and one without the minimal protections afforded to those who are fellow People of the Book (ahl al-kitab) with a written scripture, that is Christians and Jews, Muslim men have not only a right, but a positive religious duty to rape them.”

    Um, was Kayla Mueller, al-Baghdadi’s sex slave raped and tortured by him, a “Yazidi”…? Haven’t ISIS men been treating Christian females they round up the same? Aren’t Christians already Mushrikoon anyway according to the “Book” they are a “People” of anyway?, so what’s they difference between them and any other Infidels, Yazidi or Yahoodi…

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 10:35 pm

      Yes–Christians have also been used as sex slaves in the Islamic State.

      And even though Kayla Mueller was an aid worker who was very sympathetic to Muslims, they no doubt considered her a captive taken in “war”, hence they could do whatever they wanted to the poor women, including torture, rape, and murder.

  29. gravenimage says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    Hugh Fitzgerald: “Raping me is his prayer to God. It’s allowed. It’s halal.”

    In the moments before he raped the 12-year-old girl, the Islamic State fighter took the time to explain that what he was about to do was not a sin. Because the preteen girl practiced a religion other than Islam, the Quran not only gave him the right to rape her—it condoned and encouraged it.
    …………………………

    This *poor little girl*.

    Only in Islam is rape and murder *worship*:

    “Hamas: ‘Killing Jews is worship that draws us close to Allah’”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/hamas-killing-jews-is-worship-that-draws-us-close-to-allah

    Rape is *sacralized* in Islam.

    More:

    He bound her hands and gagged her. Then he knelt beside the bed and prostrated himself in prayer before getting on top of her. When it was over, he knelt to pray again, bookending the rape with acts of religious devotion…. ‘ I kept telling him it hurts – please stop. Drawing closer to God.”
    …………………………

    Raping little girls is what draws pious Muslims closer to their demonic “god”. *Ugh*.

    More:

    Other girls testified to the same treatment, mixing sex and acts of devotion: “Every time that he came to rape me, he would pray. He kept telling me this is ibadah,” a term from Islamic scripture meaning “worship.” He said that raping me is his prayer to God. It’s allowed. It’s halal.
    …………………………

    The revered 13th century Islamic scholar Ibn Taymiyyah defined Ibadah as “encompassing everything that Allah loves and is pleased with – whether saying, or actions, outward and inward.”

    So “Allah” is most pleased with *hurting children*.

    More:

    What non-Muslims may find most disturbing is how these IS fighters, capable of the repeated rape of helpless schoolgirls, and of every other conceivable kind of cruelty toward non-Muslim men as well as women, unperturbedly violate by their behavior everything we regard as humanly decent, yet are terribly worried about only one thing: breaking even a single one of the many Islamic regulations of life, whatever its content…
    …………………………

    This should not surprise. Muslims are happy to rape and murder, but endlessly fret over such matters as using the correct hand to wipe their *sses and how to find the Qibla in outer space.

    There is no real moral dimension in Islam at all–it is all narrowly legalistic.

    More:

    In a particularly grim case of Mother Knows Best, one Yazidi girl, known only as J., recalled that when she was sold to a new owner, “it was the man’s mother who escorted her to the hospital. ‘She told me, ‘If you are pregnant we are going to send you back.’ About 30 or 40 minutes later they came back to say I wasn’t pregnant.” The fighter’s mother triumphantly told her son that the 18-year-old was not pregnant, validating his right to rape her, which he did repeatedly.”
    …………………………

    Any decent woman would want to protect this girl–not make sure she was Halal for her thug son to rape. But many Muslimahs are every bit as bent on abusing Infidels as their male counterparts.

    And what about the hospital? It is possible that the doctors there were unaware of why they were being asked whether the girl was pregnant–most likely, though, they were complicit in this sex slavery, as well.

    More:

    If something is prescribed as halal or proscribed as haram, there need be no further discussion. No independent judgment as to its morality enters into it.
    …………………………

    *Exactly*.

    More:

    But this is not a “medieval injunction.” It derives from various Hadith, including this Hadith of Abu Dawud in the 9th century…
    …………………………

    If the “Prophet” did it, it is valid for all time. And more, it is ideal for every Muslim to emulate.

    My God, how I loathe Islam.

  30. citycat says

    Mar 15, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @brian464
    yes, such murdering mutilating rapist tyrants are in every community, to a variable percentage, from zero to something, and such criminals are ideally sorted out by their respective community.
    A radical difference to Islam is that the percentage is a hundred per hundred, and such criminality is the moral basis of the Islam community.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 15, 2016 at 10:36 pm

      All true, CityCat.

  31. citycat says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 1:57 am

    I think muslims have no choice but to be misogynistic, either born that way or not.
    They have been feminised by the Qur’an, their elders, Islam, the leaders, into being the way they are.
    An apostate muslim, who’d been forcibly converted, said he ain’t going back, he’s now found himself again, Islam steals the self, he said

  32. Matthieu Baudin says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 2:38 am

    The ‘quest for total submission’ is probably the most enlightening way to step into and understand the mindset of Islam. This seems to be what ‘peace’ has come to mean within Islam and the region that women have been consigned to. Women have an innate right to chose their sexual partners but the artificial world created by muslim belief tramples it all under foot.

  33. Tommo says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 9:25 am

    As Muslim men cannot and do not use condoms, the likelihood of them carrying STI’s and STD’s is very high. Slave women can look forward to be infected with any or a combination of the following:

    Chlamydia
    Crabs
    Scabies
    Gonorrhea
    Hepatitis B
    Herpes
    HIV
    HPV]
    Mycoplasma hominis infection
    Syphilis
    Trichomoniasis
    Ureaplasma infection

    Muslimas also could find themselves infected by their deviant husbands which eventually will make them very unwell and incapable of becoming pregnant. Any children that are produced by syphilitic or HIV infected mothers will die young thus ensuring that the Muslim birth rate will decline markedly. This is their reward for exercising Islamic sexual slavery.

    • linnte says

      Mar 16, 2016 at 4:43 pm

      Justice in the form of natural consequences is always lovely to know about. We can only hope!

  34. Mubarak says

    Mar 16, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    Europe, and especially Eastern Europe, excel in the production of cheap young women. In every big city they populate the sidewalks mirroring themselves in the windows of commercial centers and the eyes of passers-by.

    What does it take to break the curse and dehumanization of these young women, if not another race of cursed young men of Muslim origin, who cannot understand that these half naked or sausages clothed gargoyles – many of them pierced and tattooed with green or purple hair or no hair at all – are not up for grabs?
    Any suggestions “grievousimage”?

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 16, 2016 at 10:05 pm

      More from the repulsive Mubarak:

      Europe, and especially Eastern Europe, excel in the production of cheap young women. In every big city they populate the sidewalks mirroring themselves in the windows of commercial centers and the eyes of passers-by.
      …………………………………..

      Mohammedans consider all women “cheap”–they just don’t believe they should be allowed to eschew the Burqa and go out without their owner’s (“Mehram’s”) permission.

      And from this description above, one can imagine that Mubarak himself is skulking the streets of some Western city, trying to work up the nerve–I certainly won’t say courage–to assault some young lady.

      If he does, I hope she takes him down like this brave Chinese girl dealing with a Muslim thug:

      http://vidmax.com/video/135255-Indian-Muslim-slaps-a-Chinese-girl-for-refusing-to-dance-with-him-HUGE-mistake-

      More:

      What does it take to break the curse and dehumanization of these young women, if not another race of cursed young men of Muslim origin, who cannot understand that these half naked or sausages clothed gargoyles – many of them pierced and tattooed with green or purple hair or no hair at all – are not up for grabs?
      Any suggestions “grievousimage” (sic)?
      …………………………………..

      So Mubarak against asserts that being raped by Muslims is ‘good’ for Infidels–and that being raped is not dehumanizing, but being able to avoid being raped *is*.

      And the line he is using here is the usual one–that Westerners are so decadent that they need to have the horrors of Shari’ah law imposed on them.

      But the fact is–as this grim article proves all too well–that Muslims consider *all* Infidels “up for grabs”. Including 12-year-old Yezidi girls. The Yezidi are quite culturally conservative–but is he claiming that this child was “cheap” as well?

      And I have cited this appalling case to Mubarak several times, as well:

      “Muslims Arrested in Gang-Rape of Nun in India”

      http://pamelageller.com/2015/03/muslims-arrested-in-gang-rape-of-nun-in-india.html/

      Was this elderly nun–gang raped in her convent, incidentally–“cheap”, also?

      The fact is that Mubarak has never condemned the Muslim rape of children and nuns, and their use as sex slaves. And why would he?

      Muslims bringing up the supposed sluttiness of Western women is just a canard–they believe that raping *any* Infidel is perfectly Halal.

      That civilized Western values assert a person’s right to be free of molestation is not one that Muslims are capable of grasping–not so long as they adhere to their rapist creed, certainly.

      And–admittedly a small point given the awfulness of Mubarak’s vicious comments–but what does “sausages clothed” mean?

      It appears this pious Mohammedan has dedicated far more of this energies to defending Muslim rape than he has to actually mastering the English language.

      No surprise there…

      • Mubarak says

        Mar 17, 2016 at 12:00 am

        Not at all! I am just calling attention to another kind of rape of European women. I’d wish the eloquent and insightful Hugh Fitzgerald would do the same. That’s all. —

        If women “love” themselves in this odd way, shouldn’t they expect men to do correspondingly? – Some things come of some things and nothing will come of nothing, dear Cordelia.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 12:36 am

          More from the vicious Mubarak:

          Not at all! I am just calling attention to another kind of rape of European women. I’d wish the eloquent and insightful Hugh Fitzgerald would do the same. That’s all. —
          ………………………………..

          Yes–women not suffering Muslim rape is, as Mubarak would have it, another sort of “rape”.

          More Muslim “morality”.

          How dare the decent Hugh Fitzgerald not realize and condemn this terrible “rape” of European women?

          More:

          If women “love” themselves in this odd way, shouldn’t they expect men to do correspondingly?
          ………………………………..

          It is not “men” who respond to European women’s freedom with rape–just ravening Mohammedans. I don’t really consider them “men” at all except in the most literal sense.

          Notice that Mubarak once again refuses to condemn the rape of children and nuns by his vicious coreligionists. This is not about European women supposedly being tarty at all.

          More:

          Some things come of some things and nothing will come of nothing, dear Cordelia.
          ………………………………..

          First he quotes the murderous MacBeth; and then Lear at his ugliest. Surprising that a Mohammedan would quote Shakespeare; not so surprising which characters he would choose to identify with.

          For myself, I do not mind being associated with the steadfast Cordelia.

          Unlike her, though, I will not be silent.

        • linnte says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 12:51 am

          Hot diggity dawg Graven! I am really starting to like you a lot!

        • Mubarak says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 2:01 am

          PS:
          It seem to me that the term “sausage clothed” is ambiguous. It could refer to the tights many women are fond of wearing in public places here in the West, thus exuding the readiness to sausage parties. –

          Well, the readiness is all, as Hamlet puts it before he dies.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 10:35 am

          Yet more from the ghastly Mubarak:

          PS:
          It seem to me that the term “sausage clothed” is ambiguous. It could refer to the tights many women are fond of wearing in public places here in the West, thus exuding the readiness to sausage parties. –
          ……………………………

          Seems the vile Mubarak is comparing European women to meat–and why not? Here’s a pious Muslim cleric in Australia infamously doing the same:

          “Australian Muslim leader compares uncovered women to exposed meat”

          http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/26/australia.marktran

          He claimed that Muslim rapists are not to blame, but that Infidel women were, since they are like “uncovered meat”.

          More:

          Well, the readiness is all, as Hamlet puts it before he dies
          ……………………………

          Mubarak will find that we are not all as fatalistic as poor Hamlet–nor as ineffective in fighting evil.

          Has it occurred to Mubarak that many here are more the MacDuff type?

        • Mubarak says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 12:00 pm

          By the way: the European women’s sausage clothing, with its appeal to dressing, stand in stark contrast to the way Muslim women conceal and dress themselves. And maybe European men haven’t got time or any desire to rape these repulsive European, Friday night regulars, because having seen it all already and all the time excludes any arousal and excitement from their side, and they therefore prefer having sausage parties with each other?
          Just a thought, not a scientific theory.

          You should also ask your friend Hugh Fitzgerald why this aspect of European sausage culture is worth defending, and why we shouldn’t surrender it to Muslims already, that they might have a little taste of paradise also this side of heaven.

          – Are “linnte” your alter ego, Don Cordelia graven Spilman?

        • linnte says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 2:47 pm

          What a compliment! Comparing me to the others! Hahaha! The subject here MUbarak, is RAPE which is not a sex crime, but a crime of hatred toward women. THAT MUbarak is what YOU, as a Muslim can’t wrap your head around. Rape to you is normal so logic would tell us that HATE to you is normal. A person’s clothing does not make them HOLYier than another. It is the HEART and compassion of a person that makes them holy. Reading the Qur’an proved to me that Islam, and therefore Muslims, know nothing of love, compassion, justice or tolerance. Everything that a Christian, Pagan or Jew holds dear and sacred is perverted and destroyed by Islam. There is no TWINKLE of Joy in the eyes of Muslims. No exuberance for life and freedom. Intimacy is absent in a man who just beats his penis off into a woman. Sick and despicable Muhammad! I wish I could pity you, but I don’t. I loath you, because if it were up to you and your GODFORSAKEN religion, you would have ALL people be just as miserable as you.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 1:44 pm

          Thank you, linnte!

      • Mubarak says

        Mar 17, 2016 at 1:17 pm

        By the way: the European women’s sausage clothing, with its appeal to dressing, stand in stark contrast to the way Muslim women conceal and dress themselves. And maybe European men haven’t got time or any desire to rape these repulsive European, Friday night regulars, because having seen it all already and all the time excludes any arousal and excitement from their side, and they therefore prefer having sausage parties with each other?
        Just a thought, not a scientific theory.

        You should also ask your friend Hugh Fitzgerald why this aspect of European sausage culture is worth defending, and why we shouldn’t surrender it to Muslims already, that they might have a little taste of paradise also this side of heaven.

        – Are “linnte” your alter ego, Don Cordelia graven Spilman?

        • Jay Boo says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 1:38 pm

          A Muslim man deeply bowing in submission position at prayer
          with Islamic GREETINGS means let the Sausage beware.

          .

        • Jay Boo says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 1:40 pm

          AKA also known as — CYA

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 2:21 pm

          The viciousness from Mubarak seems endless at this point:

          By the way: the European women’s sausage clothing, with its appeal to dressing, stand in stark contrast to the way Muslim women conceal and dress themselves.
          ……………………….

          This is mostly true when Mohammedans are violently enforcing the trash bag look. Here’s one example, a Taliban thug beating Burqa-wearing women:

          https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/21/04/59/210459d2177093fde50062f254ae0087.jpg

          If you look at pictures of Muslim women from places like Pakistan and Egypt from the 1950s and 1970s, few of them are veiled. But there’s nothing like the threat of jail or death to get them to cover up.

          Of course, there are also some Muslimahs who have bought into the same viciousness as their male counterparts. The rapist’s mother in the story above is certainly one. *Ugh*.

          More:

          And maybe European men haven’t got time or any desire to rape these repulsive European, Friday night regulars, because having seen it all already and all the time excludes any arousal and excitement from their side, and they therefore prefer having sausage parties with each other?
          ……………………….

          This is the orthodox Muslim attitude–that if men *aren’t* raping women that it must be either because they are jaded or that they are not real men.

          It does not occur to these moral idiots that civilized Westerners do not believe that victimizing others is the basis of a society–let alone a religion–as oppressive and violent Mohammedans do.

          But then, pious Muslims are incapable of actually appealing to emotionally healthy women–instead, they either have to rape them or press them into forced marriages.

          More:

          Just a thought, not a scientific theory.
          ……………………….

          I’m not sure I’d go so far as to consider this a “thought”…

          More:

          You should also ask your friend Hugh Fitzgerald why this aspect of European sausage culture is worth defending, and why we shouldn’t surrender it to Muslims already, that they might have a little taste of paradise also this side of heaven.
          ……………………….

          Mohammedans understand nothing about freedom, and are just as quick to condemn all other aspects of democracy as they are the freedom of women.

          And notice: Mubarak has gone from at least vaguely implying that Muslim rapists are troubled to openly lauding them. No one should be surprised.

          And why use the word “we”? It seems clear that the repulsive Mubarak has himself surrendered to Islam long ago.

          And no–we don’t consider being raped by Muslim barbarians “a little taste of paradise”, any more than we relish being oppressed or beheaded by them.

          But Mubarak believes that Infidels should take whatever Mohammedans dish out.

          More:

          – Are “linnte” your alter ego, Don Cordelia graven Spilman?
          ……………………….

          Not at all. We have even had minor disagreements with each other from time to time.

          But linnte and Don Spilman–and Jay Boo and every other civilized Infidel here–rejects the vile Muslim “culture” of rape and abuse.

          Notice that Mubarak *still* has not condemned the rape of children and nuns–and he will not.

          It is not pleasant engaging depraved Muslim trolls like Mubarak–but it is *very* instructive. Every Infidel here can see what really goes on in the mind of a pious Muslim, and it is *not* pretty.

        • Mubarak says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 5:25 pm

          Graven, there are things so abhorrent that by condemning them, you condemn yourself to being a banality-leaking, hackneyed mollusk-geek.

          Anyhow, hope you get the point: If we would spend a little more time criticizing and rectifying the appalling conditions in our culture, we might not need to grapple so much with the appalling things in the Muslim culture. – I think I could recruit Noam Chomsky on that one?

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 9:49 pm

          More and more from the appalling Mubarak:

          Graven, there are things so abhorrent that by condemning them, you condemn yourself to being a banality-leaking, hackneyed mollusk-geek.
          ……………………………..

          Uh huh. Oddly, Mubarak would much rather have others here understand that he will not condemn the Muslim rape of children and nuns than have anyone–horrors!–think him banal.

          Actually, I think it is far too late for Mubarak in that regard. He is, in fact, quite indicative of what Hannah Arendt aptly described as the banality of evil.

          And, minor point though it is, why is he addressing me as “Graven”–as though he were a friend or colleague of mine–rather than a reprehensible barbarian that has proven that he is the enemy of every decent person reading here?

          More:

          Anyhow, hope you get the point: If we would spend a little more time criticizing and rectifying the appalling conditions in our culture…
          ……………………………..

          Why is he pretending that the free West is *his* culture? No Westerner counsels that the solution to too much revelry is that these party girls get a ‘good raping’ from Mubarak’s barbaric coreligonists.

          More:

          …we might not need to grapple so much with the appalling things in the Muslim culture…
          ……………………………..

          Once again, Mubarak is pretending that Muslims are only raping Westerners because they deserve it–but this has been debunked many times. It is, in fact, belied by the story at the top of the page here. Muslims in the Islamic State have been targeting all non-Muslim females for rape and sex slavery, including small children.

          The truth is, the only reason we have to “grapple”–poor choice of words on a thread *dealing with rape*–with the appalling things in Muslim culture is because we have been so foolish as to invite these rapist barbarians in, believing them to be vulnerable refugees.

          Moreover, they have been raping children here in the West, as well:

          “Austria: Muslim migrant brutally rapes 10-year-old boy in Vienna pool”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/austria-muslim-migrant-brutally-rapes-10-year-old-boy-in-vienna-pool

          “Germany: Muslim migrants rape 12-year-old, threaten to slit throat of 6-year-old”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/germany-muslim-migrants-rape-12-year-old-threaten-to-slit-throat-of-6-year-old

          There are dozens more stories just like these. Are all of these child victims just a bit too tarty as well?

          More:

          I think I could recruit Noam Chomsky on that one?
          ……………………………..

          Oh, I am *no* fan of Noam Chomsky, and believe this fool has done quite a bit to enable the encroachment of Shari’ah in the West. He has played footsie with Hizb’allah. He has also made some troublingly equivocal comments about Julian Assange.

          But is Mubarak really trying to convince people here that Noam Chomsky is going to come out advocating that “slutty” women should be raped by Muslim mobs? Sorry–even the egregious Noam Chomsky is too civilized for that.

          Not so Mubarak, though…

        • Wellington says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 10:12 pm

          You’re a sicko, Mubarak, which is just another way of saying that you’re a devout Muslim male. You really are nauseating, actually so nauseating that I can’t exclude the possibility that you are deliberately trying to parody Islam’s take on women, but since what Islam allows Muslim males to believe about women and what would constitute a parody of this wretched and gruesome belief are so similar, the distinction is without any real importance.

          Perhaps you will grasp at least this. Probably not.

  35. Mubarak says

    Mar 17, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    Hope you get the point: If we would spend a little more time criticizing and rectifying the appalling conditions in our culture, we might not need to grapple with the appalling things in the Muslim culture. – I think I could recruit Noam Chomsky on that one?

    • Champ says

      Mar 17, 2016 at 5:02 pm

      ***BACKWARDS ALERT***

      Oh it’s the victims fault, of course …

      In other words, if our culture had it’s act together then mohammedans wouldn’t commit rape, murder & mayhem in *response* to these things. This only makes sense if you adopt a very twisted viewpoint like this enabler of evil, mubarak. He’s just another lost cause serving an evil cause: islam.

      The backwards mohammedan mindset is very instructive, indeed.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 17, 2016 at 9:53 pm

        Yes, he’s sickening, Champ.

        But seeing how Muslims *really think* makes it worth wading through the moral cesspool of his repulsive comments.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 17, 2016 at 11:45 pm

          Well, you are right, Don. I just meant that Mohammedans like Mubarak show what is going on in the Muslim mind–a term I also use quite loosely. This is what happens when a pious Muslim replaces rational thought with parroting the horrid creed of Islam.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 18, 2016 at 3:42 pm

          Thanks, Don. Sometimes it can be a bit difficult to read subtle wit online.

    • Mubarak says

      Mar 17, 2016 at 10:54 pm

      I rest my case now and go on vacation. But I tell you before I leave, that there is a lot of resentment looking for something and somebody to hate here in this forum, and in that you should be careful not to resemble those Islamist you lampoon.

      So, graven, may Allah multiply your clones and your drones, but please try to behave a little, or I will come back and troll bind you with new contradictions.
      Kind regards
      Baruch Von Münchhausen

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 18, 2016 at 4:25 pm

        The last–for a while, at least, one hopes–from Mubarak:

        I rest my case now and go on vacation.
        ………………………………

        What “case” would that be? That civilized Europe will benefit from an influx of rapist Muslims? I doubt very much Mubarak has made that case with anyone here.

        More:

        But I tell you before I leave, that there is a lot of resentment looking for something and somebody to hate here in this forum…
        ………………………………

        If we decry those *advocating rape*, it must only be because we are so desperate to find something to hate. Really, we must be no different from those who run irrational online hate campaigns against inoffensive celebrities.

        Except this is not true. Opposing those who advocate rape, oppression, and murder is not “hate”–in fact, it is its very opposite. One cannot love the good and innocent–like the little raped child in the story above–without decrying their being abused.

        More:

        …and in that you should be careful not to resemble those Islamist (sic) you lampoon.
        ………………………………

        Robert Spencer and other Anti-Jihadists hear this moral idiocy all the time–that if one opposes savagery that it is no different from promulgating it. That condemning the rape of this little girl is no different from condoning her rape, for calling for it, or from raping her themselves.

        Clearly, nothing could be more false.

        More:

        So, graven, may Allah multiply your clones and your drones, but please try to behave a little, or I will come back and troll bind you with new contradictions.
        ………………………………

        Certainly, I am not behaving like the little dhimmi Mohammedans believe I should be. Something I am quite proud of, actually.

        More:

        Kind regards
        Baruch Von Münchhausen
        ………………………………

        This is, of course, a reference to Baron Münchhausen–Rudolf Erich Raspe’s notorious comic teller of tall tales.

        It is, of course, quite possible that Mubarak is not a supremacist Muslim, but an internet troll in the most reductive sense of the term–someone who just tries to get a rise out of other commenters for laughs, and has no real moral agenda at all.

        What would that mean in this instance? It would mean that an Infidel has learned enough about Islamic savagery and the Muslim attitudes supporting it, and instead of choosing to oppose Muslim rape and violence, decides that it would be a lark to twit those who stand against it.

        It would be like learning about the Holocaust, and deciding that the best thing to do is not oppose the death camps, but to spend one’s time trying to mock those who liberated the camps.

        He might, of course, claim that Anti-Jihadists are humorless. Firstly, even were this true, it would be a small failing compared to the horrors of waging Jihad and Shari’ah.

        But it also is not true. Just as during WWII you have everyone from the Three Stooges to Charlie Chaplin to Bugs Bunny lampooning the Fascists, today you have hilarious takedowns of Jihadists like the comic book “Believe it or Else!” and Ahmed the Dead Terrorist.

        Whatever Mubarak is–an actual Muslim advocating the rape of innocent Infidels as part of the Jihad to impose brutal Shari’ah law, or an Infidel so morally stunted as to get his kicks making sport of those opposing the rape of little girls, it is clear that he is no ally of ours.

      • Angemon says

        Mar 18, 2016 at 7:33 pm

        Mubarak posted:

        “But I tell you before I leave, that there is a lot of resentment looking for something and somebody to hate here in this forum”

        Citation needed.

        “and in that you should be careful not to resemble those Islamist you lampoon.”

        No one here is “lampooning” “islamists”. But don’t worry, I can assure you that so far no non-muslims here have yet tried to justify sexual slavery, FGM, child marriages or any other hallmark of islamic orthodoxy.

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