Tiny minority of extremists.
“Islamists call for Sharia law in Pakistan after Salman Taseer blasphemy row,” by Samuel Osborne, Independent, March 28, 2016:
Thousands of protesters have clashed with police in Islamabad in the second day of protests over blasphemy laws in Pakistan.
Demonstrators gathered outside Parliament and other key buildings to demanding authorities implement Sharia, or Islamic law.
As many as 25,000 protesters occupied the high-security zone in Islamabad to press their demands, with some setting fire to cars. The army was deployed on Sunday to contain the rioters.
Demonstrators marched from the garrison town of Rawalpindi to Islamabad in protest at the execution of Mumtaz Qadri, who some hard-line Muslims consider a hero for murdering Punjab province governor Salman Taseer.
In January 2011, Qadri shot Mr Taseer 28 times for defending a Christian woman jailed on blasphemy charges.
Mr Taseer had criticised Pakistan’s harsh blasphemy laws after Aasia Bibi was sentenced to death for allegedly insulting Islam and promoting her own faith.
Qadri told police he had killed the governor because he had spoken out against the blasphemy laws – at the time of the murder, thousands took to the streets in support of Qadri’s views.
In recent weeks, Pakistan’s Islamist parties have been threatening widespread demonstrations to protest what they say is Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s pro-western stance.
Earlier this month, the prime minister officially recognised holidays celebrated by the country’s minority religious – the Hindu festival of Holi and the Christian Easter.
They have also denounced draft legislation in Punjab outlawing violence against women.
A breakaway Taliban faction, which publicly supports Isis, claimed responsibility for a suicide bomb attack targeting Christians gathered for Easter.
At least 72 people – including 29 children – were killed in the attack on Sunday when the bomber struck in a busy park in the eastern city of Lahore, the power base of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif….

jimmi says
they are so pathetic and shameful to watch… which other religion needs such a degree of protection… in orderr to kill its non members?
nicu says
they are pussies full of hatred towards themselves .
always angry and yelling — I hope these sickos will be stopped everywhere !
john spielman says
they are simply RAPID KORANIMALS!
Mark Swan says
Howdy john spielman…You may be able to market that name “RAPID KORANIMALS”.
Something along the line of speed bags and full body bags…for the complete work-out.
Thanks You Made Me Laugh.
Jaladhi says
This is lear Islam followed by the masses in Islamic countries!! It will do some good to our MSM – NYT, WaPo .. to see this learn what real Islam and Muslims are like instead of hyping the fake, delusional moderate, peaceful Islam they imagine! Of course they can’t believe the truth even if it stared them in their eyes!
Michael says
I call this Islamic Originalism, meaning when people add extremist to Islamic it says the people are at the far end of the belief system. In fact Islamic Orginalism has a very large majority of adherents who believe that Islam must go back to its origins when it had its own empire, laws (shariah), and subjects (Christians, Jews, and other minorities). This proves the greatness and rightful place of Islam and those who oppose it will suffer the consequences.
Walter Sieruk says
It must be that the god of Islam, that is also the god of the Koran is a very weak god. Too the extent that Islamic countries need to enact such a strange thing as is “blasphemy laws” to protect this weak and feeble god of the Koran. In outstanding contrast the God of the Bible is almighty. So much so that He needs no governmental laws to protect him. Another example if a person in the West criticizes the Bible, Christians don’t really like it but the don’t become violent and murder that person. For the God of the Bible.is strong enough to handle it Himself. As the Bible teaches Romans 14:12. Galatians 6:7. Nevertheless,there are still a number of apologists for Islam, some are imams and mullahs and strangely enough, even some so called “Christian” pastors, who have the outstanding claim that Christians and Muslim both believe in and worship the same God. So it stands to reason that it’s important to know if this claims valid and true or invalid and false. The facts are that the god of Islam or the Muslims is a single being. In great contrast the God of Christianity, of the Christians consists as the Trinity. By the Trinity it means that “Within the essence of the one True God there are Three Persons. Being God the Father. God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Not three gods in one But Three Distinct Persons in One God. Being the Tri-Personal Nature of God, Matthew3:13-17. Second Corinthians 13:14. . The Bible teaches, the Father is God, Galatians 1:1.The Son is God, First John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God, Acts 5:3,4. Not three gods but the one and only Triune God. As further explained in the Christian book MAJOR BIBLE THEMES by Lewis Sperry Chafer on page 39 which informs the readers that “Many believe that the doctrine of the Trinity in implicit in the use of the word Elohim, as the name of God which is in a plural form and seems to refer to the Triune God. “ Likewise, in the Christian magazine PERHAPS TODAY November/December 2013 on page 8 it reads about Genesis 1:1. “In the beginning God [this is the plural noun Elohim, meaning ‘more than one’] created the heaven and the earth.” Furthermore, a bit of a view of the inner workings of the Trinity together may be seen in that the God the Father raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9,10. Jesus raised Himself from the dead, John 2:19,20. The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead, Romans 8:11.The inner-workings of the Trinity of God may also be seen in the fact that the Father sanctifies, First Thessalonians 5:23. The Son sanctifies, Ephesians 5:26. Hebrews 2:11; 9:12,14;13:12.The Holy Spirit sanctifies ,Romans 15:16. Second Thessalonians 2:13. Getting back to the Bible book of Genesis. In Genesis 1:26 in reads “The God said let US make man in Our image , according to our likeness…” The words are the plural “Us” and “Our.” As in “We the Trinity” For the very next verse, 27, it further reads “So God created man in His own image…” In verse 26 it’s the plural “Us” and “Our” to the singular “His” That is Three Persons in One God. In addition, in the New Testament in Matthew 28:19 It further reads the Jesus said “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the the Son and the Holy Spirit.” [N.K.J.V] That is “name” not “names.” In conclusion the many apologists and propagandists for Islam for Islam who make the claim that Christians and Muslims believe in and worship the same God are make an untrue and outright false claim. For the God of Christianity, Christians and the Bible is not the god of Islam Muslims and the Koran.
Dave Flang says
So Walter,
How does one become a Christian?
John Stefan Obeda says
Read the Bible. Start with the book of John and God will give you faith to believe what Jesus says. Join a church that teaches salvation by grace, for Jesus’ sake through faith in Him.
Dave Flang says
Thank you Walter.
How about this as well.
This Was Your Life
mortimer says
Walter, you need to learn more about Islamic theology. Allah tests the faith of Muslims be sending them out as bounty hunters and assassins. Conducting jihad is the proof of Islamic faith. Allah choose to make Muslims the terrorists of humanity.
We are not discussing Christian theology per se in this forum. This article about Pakistan is about the high percentage of Muslims who believe that Islam teaches subjugation or extermination of disbelievers.
Increasing Muslim immigration is irresponsible because so many Muslims (at least 15%) are supremacists and terror supporters.
Champ says
mortimer wrote:
Walter, you need to learn more about Islamic theology.
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mortimer, you need to learn more about Walter’s comments, since he knows plenty about islamic theology.
You wrote:
We are not discussing Christian theology per se in this forum.
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Walter is a Christian, so of course he’s going to offer a Christian perspective. No one is making you read his comments.
mortimer says
While occasional departures from the topic are understandable, lengthy digressions and non-sequiturs made on a persistent and regular basis are hardly germane to the discussion. Whether Muslim, Bahai’i or Christian or skeptic, we should all be able to stay on topic.
Champ says
Robert Spencer supports free speech. For instance, I’ve read numerous comments from worldcitizen, a Bahai’, and his comments still stand. Besides, you are not the sites moderator.
john spielman says
agree; allah of islam matches the profile of Satan of the Bible
billybob says
Just a word of advice. If you used paragraph breaks, I might actually skim your text to see what you are trying to say. As is, I have no idea. I just see this massive wall of text and scroll on past it.
Davegreybeard says
@billybob
“Just a word of advice. If you used paragraph breaks, I might actually skim your text to see what you are trying to say. As is, I have no idea. I just see this massive wall of text and scroll on past it.”
Right with you on that one, billy.
dumbledoresarmy says
word to that from me too. I’ve rarely read all of one of ‘Walter”s posts precisely because it’s just too hard to try to read them.
I am somewhat sight-challenged; poor eyesight even after cataract operation.
I find it extremely difficult to read a ‘wall of text’.
I myself make long postings but I always try to break them up into sentences or paragraphs – just as I have done right now, with this relatively short comment.
mortimer says
17 million Pakistanis say they have a favorable view of ISIS. The real number is probably twice that…meaning that 34 million Pakistanis have a favorable view of ISIS.
That means that Pakistanis constitute one of biggest jihadist populations on earth.
freewoman says
eep, that’s scary.
Westman says
Why can’t Muslim men in the Middle East simply “get a life” and get a mind of their own? What drives this swarming, like ants, behavior? Is it Islam? Genetics? Both? Churchill observed it in Muslim men as, “fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog”, but didn’t look any further into its origin.
Muslim doctors and other professionals that I’ve known in the US wouldn’t consider being involved in such public displays of frenzy. They are not like these ME blasphemy-law demonstrators. Why? Have the better behaved, smartest and brightest, gone to the West, long ago? It can’t simply be Islam.
billybob says
When do they have time to “get a life”? Their religion demands prayers 5 times a day, and how long does it take to do their ablutions before each? Then there is probably some quality time with the Quran, and time to beat the wife if they have one, and maybe beat the kids too when they resist their prayers and Quran lessons. Then there are all these demonstrations, whether it is about some Mohammad cartoon on the other side of the planet or about some Christian who supposedly burned a page of the Quran closer to home. These fanatical frenzies take up all their energy, leaving them exhausted after. These guys have no time or energy for anything else!
Westman says
I tend to agree, Billybob, about how excessive prayer wastes productive time. I’ve been thinking about these questions for a few hours and have some plausible ideas:
The Frustration:
All significant aspects of life are prescribed and controlled, limiting one’s ability to improve financial and social status. Add the lack of meritocracy, the advantages going to clerics and their associates, and the frustrations become palpable.
The Discrimination:
Islam is a study in discrimination among ME muslims based on national origin and race. There is a pecking order in the ME.
“There are a number of countries in the Muslim world, in which racism and prejudice are in full swing and justified by laws or social customs. These seek to exclude and shun on the basis of ethnicity and in some cases, race.
For instance, in certain countries, it is not permissible for children to study at a post-secondary level, even if their parents have been living or working in the country for a number of years. This is usually because of their national origin.
In other countries, discrimination is used to exclude those who are not the original inhabitants of the land from citizenship.
Discrimination extends to the field of employment as well. In some “Islamic” countries, workers of one national origin are paid less than others although they may excel in their skills, education, and experience. It has been noted that a white or black person carrying an American passport gets better pay than a person of Asian origin carrying the same passport.” – Samana Siddiqui.
Religious Racism:
In most ME Muslim countries Muslimas are not allowed to marry unbelievers while men are free to marry any woman. This is based on the idea that men will marry in their own tribe or marry captives who will have no choice, thus ensuring the offspring are Muslims and, likely, of similar genetic makeup. This and punishment for apostacy guarantee the rapid growth of Islam.
If the resistance to Islam by the West is called racism by CAIR, then forbidding Muslim women to marry outside Islam is BLATANT racism by Islam.
Poverty:
The oil states that have flow-down wealth to the citizens don’t have the level of demonstrations seen in the poorer Muslim nations. Poverty is a strong component of frustration.
Conclusion:
The number and intensity(frenzy) of violent Islamic demonstrations, whether domestic or against foreign powers, appears to be fueled by frustration where the only (violent) outlet permitted for intense frustrations is that approved(and likely promoted) by the controlling Clerics and the Islamic Ideology.
Essentially, the promises of Allah to the best of people are failing so, in the Islamic mind, it must be the fault of unbelievers, leaders, or conflicting civil law.
billybob says
Very insightful Westman. A leftist sociologist with all his training would fail at the analyses, missing factors he would be blind to.
ninetyninepct says
Arab scientists have invented a time-travel device that can transport
an entire country back to the middle ages. They’re calling it
“Islam.”
mortimer says
Westman wrote: “Muslim doctors and other professionals that I’ve known in the US … are not like these ME blasphemy-law demonstrators.”
How do you know that? Why would a Muslim tell the truth to a dirty kafir? Why would they not be practicing taqiyya to deceive you?
On 9/11 Muslims cheered and congratulated one another…they were working in the US government. Then, they told kafirs in the government how they disapproved.
Mullah Anwar Awlaki said that the 9/11 terrorists were distorting Islam, then he taught jihad to whole generation of terrorists himself. Muslims have themselves to blame for taqiyya. No one can trust any Muslim because of taqiyya.
If Muslims don’t like taqiyya, they have the choice of leaving Islam. And kafirs have the choice of stopping further Muslim immigration because many Muslims practice taqiyya and cannot be trustworthy citizens.
Westman says
It is difficult to tell the difference. Yet, few truly Islamic fundamentalists make the effort of learning a difficult discipline. There really are peaceful Muslims who came here to escape the controls of Islam. Though the religion is a disaster, we can’t be in the position of mirroring, “can anything good come out of Nazareth?”
Islam may be worse than all the other tyrannical systems faced by the West in the past. The individuals coming from that system should be judged on their own merits just as we would view someone coming from a communist country. Those who came over the last 50 years, without a war at their back, are of a higher caliber than the current flood into Europe. They were vetted.
Did you happen to see the recent PBS FRONTLINE doc, “Saudi Arabia Uncovered”? It’s worth watching and gives some background on the Saudi’s excuting of a Shia Cleric and the instability of the new King’s government.
Angemon says
Pakistan is an Afghanistan waiting to happen. Sooner or later there’ll be civil war and the Taliban will be in control – assuming the islamic state doesn’t beat them to it.
Mark Swan says
Yes and don’t think that is not a plan in progress…can anyone imagine thermo nuclear
weapons won’t get into worse hands than they are presently…that country is a serious
threat to world security…what a world we live in.
john spielman says
muhammed pbuh* was NOTHING but a narcissistic demon possessed mass murderer thief liar misogynist and pedophile pervert false prophet
pbuh -PERPETUAL BANISHMENT UNTO HELL!
SO put that in your muslim anti blasphemy hash pipe and smoke that!
Jon says
I just hope none of this crowd ever gets to Australia!
Wellington says
25,000 ignoramuses. Islam is superb at producing ignoramuses——–a fitting epitaph for Islam once it is finally consigned to the trash heap of history.
mortimer says
But are they all ignoramuses? Sadly, a parade of gowned Pakistani LAWYERS who supported Mumtaz Qadri (the assassin) came to his trial and showered him with rose petals. Hideous.
It’s the ideology, isn’t it? About half of the Wannsee Conference members had PhDs in law…they were not ignoramuses, but they believed in the Master Race Theory and they knew everything they were doing for Hitler was illegal and unethical.
Wellington says
One can be very well educated and yet still an ignoramus.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely
linnte says
And not a single woman in the crowd, so tripple that number of 25,000! That’s assuming every male has at least 3 wives. It could be more. I hate Islam!
mortimer says
If the crowd prayed, women would have to be kept out of sight of the men…at the very back. Allah says if a man sees a woman, a dog or a donkey as he prays, his prayer is not ‘accepted’.
Hope says
So interesting to see that Muslims can and will take to the streets in large numbers to protest, as long as it’s about a topic that interests them, like blasphemy or sharia law or some stupid cartoon. I guess what doesn’t interest them is the 28,000+ terror attacks perpetrated against innocent people over the past fourteen years in the name of Allah and his prophet. Because I don’t see them protesting that.
Wellington says
Eminently true, Hope, what you asserted. Unfortunately, still lost on way too many people for one indefensible reason or another.
rolf wittwer says
Fotocomment: All of them only begging to get a Nobelprice!
Rosie says
Another story seen nowhere in the media. I regularly look at the Guardian, the Huffington Post, CNN, AP, BBC, and CBC. No mention of this “tiny minority” of extremists who riot in support of laws that require the death penalty for insults to Islam.
Davegreybeard says
Unfortunately, I fear we will be forced to kill a lot of these people one day.
freewoman says
The Pakistani government is taking some steps in the right direction but it’s opening a huge can of worms. Just pure numbers, their army probably isn’t big enough to take on such a huge portion of the population. I’m just waiting for the caliphate to really unify and spread.
BTW, what’s the status with Asia Bibi? The article said she was sentenced to death so she’s still on death row? Her governor protector has now been executed and the muslims are rioting over the execution of her killer. I hope she can escape if she hasn’t been killed already.
freewoman says
You can’t even call them jihadis, they’re just ordinary muslim men.
Jack Diamond says
Re: Asia Bibi, the last I heard was that the death sentenced had been stayed as the Supreme Court had, in 2015, accepted the grounds for her appeal (an appeal was refused in 2014 so this is good). I had also heard outside public pressure (i.e. bad publicity) if not diplomatic pressure (one can hope) had been credited with her improved health in prison (after rumors she was near death). They might still be hoping she dies “on her own” so they don’t have to deal with either executing her or freeing her, or there may be a plan in the works for her to leave Pakistan since her life would be almost certainly be forfeit if set free there, but after all these years who really knows?
mortimer says
Tabari VIII:141 ‘The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!”
Ishaq:315 “It was so criminal, men could hardly imagine it. Muhammad was ennobled because of the bloody fighting. I swear we shall never lack soldiers, nor army leaders. Driving before us infidels until we subdue them with a halter above their noses and a branding iron. We will drive them to the ends of the earth. We will pursue them on horse and on foot. We will never deviate from fighting in our cause. We will bring upon the infidels the fate of the Ad and Jurhum. Any people that disobey Muhammad will pay for it. If you do not surrender to Islam, then you will live to regret it.
Hatred…and killing…normative Islam.
Abdel says
Islam is going trough a global conflict just as the Christian had during the time of the Inquisition 400 years ago. As long the horror that Islam stands for stayed in the East amongst the Molsims itself, nowane cares. Now becourse of ISIS the true nature of Islam has been revealed and many people has become curious looked in what this is all about reading what’s in that Koran. The Islam is a cult, not a religion. The biggest reason is that it doen not allow Muslims to socialze with other humans, but even orders them to kill them. There has been 4 versions of the Koran been written and finaly melted in to one version. They used only some fragments out of the bible. That is why the Koran is a manipulated copycat of the Testament dominated by an evil man called Mohamed. Thats why the idiology is so dangerous for modern society and the future of mankind. It makes people sick , and the worst of all is that believers arent aware of it. It puts a curse on your life.
davej says
“Blasphemy”: Insulting, disparaging or destroying something Sacred.
The huge irony here is that Islam itself is the biggest blasphemy on the planet. They wantonly destroy life, tear down or deface Churches and religious statues and inflict rape and enslavement upon women.
Muslims as a group totally lack emotional intelligence and compassion, they act like predators without a conscience. This is why they are always hyper-excited as they rabidly bully their way around the world. They act like spoiled children, only with AK47s and suicide vests.
R Cole says
Remember this news article leaves out one important detail.
Mumtaz Qadri the man found guilty of murdering the Punjab governor – for his call for more fairness in the way Pakistan’s blasphemy laws were applied – was one of the Governor Salman Taseer’s personal bodyguards.
He was a like secret service agent.
Not sure why that detail was omitted.
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The Pakistani Christian woman Aasia Bibi – was convicted of blasphemy – after she had a fight with her Muslim farm worker colleagues – who asked Bibi to go and fetch water for the group. But when she returned with the water – and they realized Bibi had taken a drink – a dispute broke out over the fact that as a Christian – Aasia Bibi would have been viewed as ‘unclean’ in Islam.
And it is possible because Bibi stood up for her own beliefs – the women claimed that she blasphemed Islam and the Prophet.
Outraged the Punjab governor offered to take up her case.
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Salman Taseer sought to reform the blasphemy laws.
There was another case where a Christian husband and wife both received 25 year sentences for merely “touching” the Koran. The case was based on the ‘unclean’ Christian couple’s hands coming into contact with a copy of the Koran, left, along with other belongings by a Muslim neighbor in need. Because the neighbor testified on their behalf in court – they avoided the ‘death penalty’ for ‘defiling’ the holy book.
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Did someone say ‘Islamophobia’?
Remember Pakistan is one of the loudest voices out of the OIC decrying the problem of western ‘Islamophobia’ – naturally with the need, in their opinion, for Islamic sharia type blasphemy laws be introduced here. A few years ago – they were calling on Obama to amend the US Constitution – to allow penalties for speech and expression offensive to Islam.
Islamo-con job
If you look at what is happening in the west with so-called ‘Islamophobia’ and what is happening with Christians and other non-Muslims in a place like Pakistan – there is no comparison. Hindus are fleeing to India left right and center. But sadly it’s a little more difficult for Pakistan’s beleaguered Christians to up sticks and move southward.
Pakistan took the quick-fix Islamization path and it’s been a national disaster quite frankly.
It all started when Benazir Bhutto’s [1st female leader – shot by radicals] father wanted to hold onto power – and made deals with the more fundamentalists for religious law. [Sounds like what the Left-wing in Europe might be prepared to do also.] And now there is the constant battle for more and more Islam – with the exclusion of everything else – in that country.
It’s been a blast!!
sidney penny says
Where are the millions who support the 25,000 protestors?
I am surprised that the number is only 25,000.Why ?
What do you expect from Madrassahs?
The axis of evil,Saudi Arabia,Pakistan, and Iran.
Goading Pakistan: Riyadh’s (Saudi Arabia) money supports Pakistani confrontation with India in two key ways:
by massively funding Islamic schools (madrassahs) that churn out radicalized students who, having memorized the Koran but lacking modern skills, serve as jihad fodder;
and by generously helping to pay for the “Islamic” nuclear bomb that, with its exclusively India-centric purpose, threatens the country since 1998.
Feb 24 2016
http://www.danielpipes.org/16524/india-middle-east-relationship
Xombie Rainbow says
This is exactly why Barack Hussein Obama loves Islam and wants more of it everywhere!